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Title: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: inertia on June 10, 2016, 09:39:13 am
Yorkshire cricket coach and former Aussie fast bowler Jason Gillespie has converted to veganism following the sudden heart-attack which struck his father. He has said that he hopes the dairy industry will one day close down and that cricket balls will be made of a synthetic material and not animal hide.
When converting to veganism was something he'd ever considered, the wonderful Merv Hughes said immediately "NO!", followed a split second later with "Do you want me to think a bit longer about that?"

You'll do for me, Merv.  Here's the full interview http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03xmmmm (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03xmmmm)

DM
Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: Nemo on June 10, 2016, 02:26:11 pm
Probably has a pet newt!
Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: Brian60 on June 10, 2016, 06:08:37 pm
Funny how life's vagaries turn you into a raving loony? I suppose its like the smokers who give up and turn into rabid anti smokers.

Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: Umi_Ryuzuki on June 10, 2016, 09:54:20 pm
If Meat eaters were raving loonies...  %)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0O_VYcsIk8
Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: inertia on June 10, 2016, 11:17:34 pm
 {-) :-))

DM
Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: Brian60 on June 11, 2016, 07:52:23 am
That is so funny Umi, I have been on the receiving end of that from veggies many times, in fact I get it every monday night at the bar from another englishman who is a veggie. I pity his partner who is a meat eater but not allowed to have it in the house. She only gets to eat meat when she is out and he is not with her.
Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: inertia on June 11, 2016, 08:51:01 am
If you want a good belly laugh then Google 'Mock the Week Vegetarian Option'. The subject is "Things that would change the atmosphere at a dinner party". It contains six seconds of Frankie Boyle and one four-letter word. You've been warned!
DM
Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: NFMike on June 11, 2016, 09:02:50 am
If you want a good belly laugh then Google 'Mock the Week Vegetarian Option'. The subject is "Things that would change the atmosphere at a dinner party". It contains six seconds of Frankie Boyle and one four-letter word. You've been warned!
DM
Nice.  {-)  O0

I can understand being vegetarian, though vegan seems a bit loony, but vegetarians who eat fish? (or even chicken in some cases). I'm not sure what that is but loony doesn't come close  %%
Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: malcolmfrary on June 11, 2016, 09:18:00 am
I suppose that I'm a semi vegetarian.  If I'm going to eat animals I prefer animals that eat vegetables.  Apart from chicken and fish, of course.  And preferably animals with no more than 4 legs.
Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: Andyn on June 11, 2016, 11:30:19 am
I'm a vegan, have been five years and if you don't discriminate against me for my life choices then I won't mock yours. Simples ;D
Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: inertia on June 11, 2016, 12:15:56 pm
Andy

Thank you for sharing that with all of us, but would it offend you too much if I were to tell you that frankly I couldn't care less about what you eat - or why? As regards the likelihood of 'discrimination' for your 'life-choices' I'd say that you have to consider that aspect when you make those choices. It's not the same as discrimination on the grounds of race, gender or religion.

I can understand a reluctance towards "eating corpses" but insisting on soya-based "cream" in a cake or on beer which wasn't fined with isinglass just seems a bit fussy to a humble omnivore like me.

Feel free to mock me for my 'life choices' but I can't help wonder how long you'd last with the smell of a bacon sandwich under your nose.... :o   

As for synthetic cricket balls - dream on, Jason, but it ain't gonna happen.

DM
Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: Nemo on June 11, 2016, 12:32:29 pm
I suppose that I'm a semi vegetarian.  If I'm going to eat animals I prefer animals that eat vegetables.  Apart from chicken and fish, of course.  And preferably animals with no more than 4 legs.
{-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: Brian60 on June 11, 2016, 01:00:45 pm
Brings to mind that Channel 4 series on cooking in each others houses. One episode kicked off with a veggie cooking entirely veggie based food. So the others when it came to their turn cooked and served meat, even to the veggies, much to their disgust. But he couldn't see that although he accused them of discrimination, he had done exactly the same to them.

Each to their own, if you have a belief that's fine, just don't try and push it on to everyone else.
Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: essex2visuvesi on June 11, 2016, 01:54:47 pm
(https://tacticaltshirts.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/veg-lg-br.jpg)


But as MBM is unbiassed and we must embrace all peoples life choices I'll include this one too:-


(http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/He+was+tasty+see+cows+are+evil+stop+them+today_091094_5171123.jpg)



Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: eddiesolo on June 11, 2016, 03:55:25 pm
I like meat, after all we are designed to me both Carnivorous and herbivorous. I give thanks to the animal that gave its life for me and think that we should have better care towards our animals that we consume. I love cheese and milk and I would rather eat something and die knowing I enjoyed it and life than die at 90 with the health system failing me  :D  (I.E the Government ruining everything)


I know, this is not about politics but you know what I am on about...and if you do, could tell me? :embarrassed:
Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: Nemo on June 11, 2016, 06:59:41 pm
I think we are getting away from the object of the topic, which is Veganism, not Vegetarianism - a different concept.
Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: inertia on June 11, 2016, 08:16:24 pm
Actually the topic was intended to be about Merv Hughes' wonderful comic timing; veganism was just a vehicle for it.
Morrissey said that meat is murder but he's such a miserable, pretentious git that I don't pay any regard to his opinions anyway. I doubt he would even find Merv funny, which is sad.
Dave M
Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: Andyn on June 12, 2016, 01:22:51 am
I can't help wonder how long you'd last with the smell of a bacon sandwich under your nose....

The question is more how long you'd last trying to shove a bacon sandwich under my nose before you were wearing it...
Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on June 12, 2016, 09:00:19 am
I think we are getting away from the object of the topic, which is Veganism, not Vegetarianism - a different concept.

OK so what is the difference and how is it healthy for you.

Common sense, which is long dead, says it can't be good for you. Particularly eating a cricket ball. :o  :o  :o

So where is the balanced diet and all that, is it soccer balls, golf balls, etc,  {:-{  {:-{  {:-{ does it, being Vegan make one a little touchy  %) %) %)


Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: Bob K on June 12, 2016, 09:22:51 am
If you have the choice of what to eat you are fortunate.  Those of us on a medically prescribed diet due to Diabetes are not so lucky.  Virtually all diet foods are completely without taste or texture where eating becomes more of a mechanical process, and no longer a pleasure.  It seems almost anything in a package or tin contains unacceptably high levels of sugar, salt, and no-no fats.  Most breakfast serials and even fruit are high in sugar. 

So, whatever your convictions, if you are able to, then eat drink what you choose and be merry
Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: inertia on June 12, 2016, 09:45:35 am
OK so what is the difference and how is it healthy for you.

Common sense, which is long dead, says it can't be good for you. Particularly eating a cricket ball. :o :o :o

So where is the balanced diet and all that, is it soccer balls, golf balls, etc,  {:-{ {:-{ {:-{ does it, being Vegan make one a little touchy  %) %) %)

Vegetarians avoid eating meat or meat products. This often - but not always - includes fish. Many people thrive on such a diet, which consists mainly of vegetables, pulses, fruit and nuts.
In addition, vegans refuse to consume any product of any animals, including all dairy products. My example of isinglass, which is made from the swim bladder of certain fish and used as finings in beer, is genuine.
In my experience vegans are a nuisance, especially when it comes to choosing cream cakes in the office to celebrate a birthday ("It MUST be 'non-dairy cream' - have you got that? And no animal fat in the pastry!") or when buying a round of drinks ("Do you sell organic Chardonnay?"). Pompous pronouncements about closing the whole dairy industry and making cricket balls out of plastic do nothing to endear them to us lesser mortals.
Oh - and wearing a bacon sandwich? Hardly original, Andy. Is this where you got the idea from?  8)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Gaga%27s_meat_dress (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Gaga%27s_meat_dress)
 
Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: dreadnought72 on June 12, 2016, 11:13:50 am
I've been a vegetarian for 34 years. I became disillusioned with the methods of the meat industry in the early eighties, and little has apparently changed since then.


Meat consumers are, by and large, insulated from what goes on in modern farming, on the way to and in slaughter houses: though there are copious videos and reports available for those who'd like to learn more. As it is, for many people the happy cow becomes a shiny plastic-wrapped supermarket steak as if by magic.


If animals were treated with respect during their lives, quickly and humanely slaughtered on farms, and not distressed by farming, transportation, corralling, and - often botched - execution, I might change my mind. Sure, the end-price might well be considerably more, but when you consider the ability of supermarkets to be able to sell you a chicken for the price of a couple of pints and still make a tidy profit, you have to wonder what shortcuts have been taken during that bird's sixteen-week life, and whether you, the meat-eating consumer who underpins the whole process, believes that to be morally right.


Andy
Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: Shipmate60 on June 12, 2016, 11:41:34 am
Andy,
Animals don't treat each other with respect. They usually eat each other. Its called the food chain.
I can not understand why vegetarians/vegans want to eat substitute sausages, beefburgers etc.
From this thread it does seem that a lack of meat turns you a bit short tempered. Why ruin a perfectly good bacon sandwich.


Bob
Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: NFMike on June 12, 2016, 11:48:56 am
I've been a vegetarian for 34 years. I became disillusioned with the methods of the meat industry in the early eighties, and little has apparently changed since then.


Meat consumers are, by and large, insulated from what goes on in modern farming, on the way to and in slaughter houses: though there are copious videos and reports available for those who'd like to learn more. As it is, for many people the happy cow becomes a shiny plastic-wrapped supermarket steak as if by magic.


If animals were treated with respect during their lives, quickly and humanely slaughtered on farms, and not distressed by farming, transportation, corralling, and - often botched - execution, I might change my mind. Sure, the end-price might well be considerably more, but when you consider the ability of supermarkets to be able to sell you a chicken for the price of a couple of pints and still make a tidy profit, you have to wonder what shortcuts have been taken during that bird's sixteen-week life, and whether you, the meat-eating consumer who underpins the whole process, believes that to be morally right.


Andy
I agree with everything you say (except I'm not vegetarian) though I thought there were organic/humane sources available, though as you say at a price. I would be minded to use some of those sources but unfortunately my personal shopper won't contemplate the cost or inconvenience. I know that's a moral cop-out, but it's one I live with a little uncomfortably.
I'd certainly like to see less meat eaten in the world simply because it's not very efficient use of land and contributes to greenhouse gases.
Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: TomHugill on June 12, 2016, 12:01:27 pm
Well the thread seems to have gone from light hearted japes about (daft) vegan cricket balls to full on unprovoked veggie/vegan bashing. Good on Andy for being as restrained in his response as he has been.
Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: inertia on June 12, 2016, 12:48:04 pm
Andy D72

I smoked for 35 years and then gave up 15 years ago. My reasons are mine and no business of anyone else. Smokers all know the risks they are taking without having to be reminded at every opportunity. I don't like the smell of cigarette smoke and I try to avoid those doorways where smokers now have to gather, but I don't and I won't sneer at them or regard myself as somehow superior or more intelligent/sensitive than they are - just because I quit.  They choose to smoke. I choose not to. End of.

I once stood outside an abattoir on a frosty November morning, watching the steam rise from a huge bin of fresh entrails as a smiling man with blood up to his elbows separated the sinews while carrying on a conversation with me - as if he were just shelling peas. You don't forget that in a hurry (it was around 1982, at a company called Nottingham Animal By-Products).

I'm 64 years old. I know where food comes from. I'm not stupid and I don't need to be made to feel as if I'm somehow complicit in all the sins of the meat industry as I seal a steak or grill a chop. Although I can easily understand it I have no interest in why you gave up eating meat, Andy, and the fact that you did will not change my eating habits one iota. As Andy Nightingale so rightly said, I don't mock others for their choices and I don't expect to be patronised, questioned or lectured about mine.

As for 'veggie bashing', I believe all I said was that in my own experience vegans are a nuisance when one is buying a round of cream cakes or drinks. And Jason Gillespie? Round here we'd call him a gob on a stick.

Fried haloumi sandwich, anyone?  8)
Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: canabus on June 12, 2016, 01:57:05 pm
Hi All
I gave up smoking 30 years ago, but, I still like a beer!!!
I spend my fag money on model boats.
What you eat is your own business.
So enjoy life!!!

CAN-A-BUS

And no I do not smoke their!!!!!
Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: Brian60 on June 12, 2016, 02:50:41 pm
Interesting about the methods of slaughtering animals putting people off meat.

If you take a look at Youtube and look up the Scott Rea Project.  This is a skilled butcher of 20 years +. He shows how to prepare and butcher whole carcasses and cuts of meat and poultry.

BUT and here is the big but, he does not like the slaughtering of animals! There is one of his videos in which he explains that he cannot step foot in a slaughterhouse because he considers them as animals. Only when they are delivered to his shops as carcasses can he consider them as meat for preparation. He does not like to dwell on the aspects of the before, but he does think it necessary for people who eat meat to know exactly where it comes from and not just appear wrapped in plastic at Tesco.
Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: NFMike on June 12, 2016, 04:02:43 pm
Going back to cricket balls ... no, I wouldn't be happy if animals were being bred and slaughtered purely to provide leather for sports. But I expect that this is hide that is a byproduct of the food industry, in which case I'd prefer that this was used for something (I was going to say useful, but not sure sport counts) with a purpose rather than being discarded and using other raw materials like oil to make "artificial" materials. The argument could be extended to footwear and clothing too.
Actually, crude oil is an animal product, so most plastics are not 'vegan' either  :-)

It's all a compromise really - eliminating animal products from our lives completely is simply never going to happen, but reduced use and better treatment of them is certainly possible.
Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: Nemo on June 12, 2016, 04:09:18 pm
OK so what is the difference and how is it healthy for you.
Common sense, which is long dead, says it can't be good for you. Particularly eating a cricket ball. :o  :o  :o
So where is the balanced diet and all that, is it soccer balls, golf balls, etc,  {:-{  {:-{  {:-{ does it, being Vegan make one a little touchy  %) %) %)

I was not defending either - just pointing out that we seemed to be going off the topic.  %)
As a carnivore, I could not care less what other people eat.
Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: davidm1945 on June 12, 2016, 05:55:21 pm
I was not defending either - just pointing out that we seemed to be going off the topic.  %)
As a carnivore, I could not care less what other people eat.


If you eat only meat you are a carnivore.
If you eat only vegetation you are a herbivore.
If you eat meat and vegetation you are an omnivore.


I love my omniverous Sunday lunch - roast beef and all the trimmings....oh yeah!
( Sometimes  lamb or pork or chicken - I am married to a superb cook ) however, my daughter-in-law is a vegetarian and when she comes to lunch we will always have a veggie option an some of the Quorn products aren't bad at all.
Dave.
Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on June 12, 2016, 10:24:42 pm
Well the thread seems to have gone from light hearted japes about (daft) vegan cricket balls to full on unprovoked veggie/vegan bashing. Good on Andy for being as restrained in his response as he has been.

 :o :o :o What in a straight jacket. %% %% %%
Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on June 12, 2016, 10:30:17 pm

Fried haloumi sandwich, anyone?  8)

Yes please, with olives and genuine, salami {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: dreadnought72 on June 13, 2016, 12:49:14 am
I suspect this (https://3dprint.com/930/biotech-firm-looking-to-begin-production-of-3d-printed-leather-and-eventually-meat-in-brooklyn/) is the future.


3d printed leather and meat. No animals required.


Andy
Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: Jonty on June 13, 2016, 09:19:40 pm
  I've never understood what the vegans have against dairy products. The strictest vegetarians are probably the Jains, a religion with outlook and iconography pretty similar to Buddhism. They won't eat potatoes or onions because pulling them up kills the plant, yet they eat dairy products on the basis that the cow is not harmed in giving the milk.
Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: dreadnought72 on June 13, 2016, 11:43:08 pm
I've never understood what the vegans have against dairy products.


The large-scale production of milk requires that calves don't get it.


Andy
Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: derekwarner on June 14, 2016, 02:22:39 am
 :-) a few questions.....[without Political undertones]

1. Do they play cricket in Scotland?...[I have never heard of a Scottish cricket team]
2. Has Scotland left England yet?

If the answer to the above is Yes & No.... {-).....then.....

3. Can they make Hal Hal certified Haggis? to make it Kosha?
4. Would Hal Hal certified Haggis then be considered as Kosha/Vergin? and as such suitable for the covering of your balls? [cricket that is] :o
5. If the answer to 2. was No, will Scotland vote to leave the EU?
6. If the answer to 5. was Yes, what will the be the implications for the Export price of Haggis & Whiskey?

We have a new Cricket ball in OZ.......it is Pink with black stitching %)

Derek
Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: Colin Bishop on June 14, 2016, 06:27:19 am
There was an an article published recently that suggested that plants do have a degree of awareness and respond to stimuli which, if true, would raise all sorts of moral issues.

We boil peas alive!

Maybe Prince Charles was right after all.

Colin
Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: inertia on June 14, 2016, 08:49:25 am
There was an an article published recently that suggested that plants do have a degree of awareness and respond to stimuli which, if true, would raise all sorts of moral issues.

Colin
It usually happens when the adverts come on and they get up for a cuppa or a pee......

Derek
There certainly is a Scottish cricket team although they're not up to international Test Match standard. I think they play in the Minor Counties league.
That's Halal, Kosher and Whisky - please. I thought you were a bit of a gourmet...

A pink cricket ball?? In Australia???!!!  :kiss:
Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on June 14, 2016, 09:21:36 am


Derek
There certainly is a Scottish cricket team although they're not up to international Test Match standard. I think they play in the Minor Counties league.
That's Halal, Kosher and Whisky - please. I thought you were a bit of a gourmet...

A pink cricket ball?? In Australia???!!!  :kiss:
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 :o  :o  :o  :o  :o  :o He meant in New South Wales home of the Blues.  %)  %)  %)
Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: derekwarner on June 14, 2016, 11:13:36 am
My goodness......"That's Halal, Kosher and Whisky"

Is this bloke trying to start WW3  %).....?

It is clear he understands Single Malt Whisky  O0...but lets keep the universal H = hotel & K = Kilo

Our local Rabai has just chucked a sickie.......so it looks like the ever popular  pink Pigs Pork Trotters  w apple sauce are off the menu @ the Pub tonight <*<

Derek
Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: inertia on June 14, 2016, 12:16:32 pm
Derek
'Halal, Kosher and Whisky' is a local firm of pork butchers run by one Muhammad McGoldblum - Vice-Captain of the Scottish Cricket 3rd XI; visiting Professor of Animal Husbandry at The University of The Gorbals and Laird of the Clan McGoldblum (and quite probably its only member). He also holds the Highland record for one-legged, underwater bagpipe playing.

(You are a bl**dy philistine.......but I like your style  :kiss: )

DM

(...and it's rabbai...... ;D )
Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: Nemo on June 14, 2016, 12:29:56 pm
:-) a few questions.....[without Political undertones]

1. Do they play cricket in Scotland?...[I have never heard of a Scottish cricket team]
2. Has Scotland left England yet?

If the answer to the above is Yes & No.... {-).....then.....

3. Can they make Hal Hal certified Haggis? to make it Kosha?
4. Would Hal Hal certified Haggis then be considered as Kosha/Vergin? and as such suitable for the covering of your balls? [cricket that is] :o
5. If the answer to 2. was No, will Scotland vote to leave the EU?
6. If the answer to 5. was Yes, what will the be the implications for the Export price of Haggis & Whiskey?

We have a new Cricket ball in OZ.......it is Pink with black stitching %)

Derek
http://www.cricketscotland.com/international-news-cricket-scotland/
Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: Netleyned on June 14, 2016, 06:27:42 pm
Will the killing of the Haggis be in line with Halal ?


Ned
Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: inertia on June 14, 2016, 07:00:54 pm
Will the killing of the Haggis be in line with Halal ?
Ned

A better line would be down "The Corridor of Uncertainty" i.e. just outside the off-stump. However Halal's bowling is not of sufficient pace to be able to exploit that technique unless the batsman is equipped only with a stick of rhubarb from Mrs Boycott's garden. The McGoldblum of McGoldblum's feared reverse-sweep shot would dispatch such "pie-throwing" over the Third Man boundary - where it richly deserves to be. A pink ball would only compound the degree of punishment...  :o
DM
Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: Colin Bishop on June 14, 2016, 07:00:57 pm
No, it involves a complex ritual utilising a claymore and a sporran.

Colin
Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: malcolmfrary on June 14, 2016, 09:17:54 pm
Claymore, sporran, pink balls . . . . what were we talking about?
Next thing you know they'll be wanting to make cricket bats out of aluminium to avoid upsetting any passing Ents.
Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: inertia on June 14, 2016, 11:05:16 pm
It's been done, Malc, but more for a quick A$ than for upsetting tree-guardians  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ComBat (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ComBat)
We were talking balls as I recall (as opposed to bats, of course...) %)
DM

Title: Re: A vegan-friendly cricket ball???
Post by: malcolmfrary on June 15, 2016, 10:01:02 am
It's been done, Malc, but more for a quick A$ than for upsetting tree-guardians  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ComBat (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ComBat)
We were talking balls as I recall (as opposed to bats, of course...) %)
DM
Indeed, much of this thread is talking balls.  About balls, I mean.
I think that just made it worse.


I wonder what the Wolf of Kabul would have managed with an aluminium Clicky-ba?