Model Boat Mayhem

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Title: Ebay shady dealing again...
Post by: Brian60 on August 15, 2016, 06:53:51 PM
 I ordered a new soldering iron today from Ebay and to all intents and purposes I bought it from a UK dealer as per the location below....

Super_stylish365 (http://stores.ebay.co.uk/super-stylish365?_trksid=p2047675.l2563)
Postage:    Free   Economy Delivery
    Item location:Leicestershire, East Midlands, United Kingdom
    Posts to:   Worldwide

How surprising that when I got my Paypal confirmation it came out to this name......
You have sent a payment of £37,46 GBP to 深圳市易佰贸易有限公司 (Xixixi0598@163.com)
Thanks for using PayPal. To see all the transaction details, log in to your PayPal account.


I know we discussed this a couple of weeks back, but isn't it time that Ebay got its act together and displayed correctly who you are buying from? You try and support UK business yet are hoodwinked by Chinese companies.

I have no problem buying from Chinese outlets, but I want to choose where I put my business not be conned into buying from Chinese hiding behind UK names and addresses. Be upfront and let us make the choice.

       


Title: Re: Ebay shady dealing again...
Post by: Nemo on August 15, 2016, 07:30:21 PM
Hear. hear Brian.  O0  There is a forum on Ebay where you can put your points and air any grievances.
Not that it will guarantee any action, but it will make you feel that you are doing something.
Title: Re: Ebay shady dealing again...
Post by: Brian60 on August 16, 2016, 07:23:49 AM
I'll go have a look for it Nemo :-))
Title: Re: Ebay shady dealing again...
Post by: Vts99 on August 16, 2016, 08:39:22 AM
Totally agree . Those that saw my post on Facebook page may of saw the speed controller I bought that showed uk supplier . Yet I have just received a mail in what can only be said as broken English asking if it's OK to refund half of my money and get it repaired locally so guessing from the wording this may if been a similar situation
Title: Re: Ebay shady dealing again...
Post by: Martin [Admin] on August 16, 2016, 09:09:41 AM
 
As has previously been postulated, we suspect many of these Ebay Sellers are full Chinese companies which ship products across in batches then distributed from an Arthur Daley style 'lock-up' under an out-of-town railway arch somewhere here in Britain.

 (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/02/25/article-0-1A660BD900000578-232_634x553.jpg)
Title: Re: Ebay shady dealing again...
Post by: Colin Bishop on August 16, 2016, 09:37:10 AM
I believe they sell nuclear power stations as well, if yours suffers a core meltdown they will send you another one for free....

Colin
Title: Re: Ebay shady dealing again...
Post by: BFSMP on August 16, 2016, 09:39:15 AM
The only way you will reach satisfaction and get your goods from who you want, is not to buy on ebay but go directly to a company of your choice.

You may pay extra to those prices on ebay, but you pay for that choice. Buy cheaply, buy falsely

Caveat emptor, is a phrase I learned to my expense some years ago.

Jim.
Title: Re: Ebay shady dealing again...
Post by: Colin Bishop on August 16, 2016, 09:49:29 AM
Agree with Jim, I always try to support UK based companies whenever possible. OK, much of the stuff still originates in China but you do have somewhere to go to for redress if something goes wrong and there will usually be a good degree of quality control so less chance of that happening.

Colin
Title: Re: Ebay shady dealing again...
Post by: craggle on August 16, 2016, 10:24:46 AM
Happened to me recently too.
Ordered something from ebay that was described as in the UK and the paypal payment came back to a very similar Chinese name as yours.

It arrived however two days later using Royal Mail 48hr delivery and it has a return address in Gateshead. It's possible that the seller may be overseas but uses a distribution centre here to forward the items as Martin suggested.
Couldn't fault the service so left positive feedback.

Craig.

Title: Re: Ebay shady dealing again...
Post by: tigertiger on August 16, 2016, 10:56:38 AM
Revenue and Customs are investigating these types of sellers on Amazon (possibly ebay as well), because they are evading VAT. It may be that if enough of these things are reported to R&C the VAT man will put pressure on ebay, or even investigate the sellers.
Title: Re: Ebay shady dealing again...
Post by: StarLocAdhesives/FiveStar on August 16, 2016, 03:05:53 PM

Its no use reporting to HMRC, people need to get the law changed and it will not be easy as its not just the model trade , its common practice in the trade in most retail type items.

It seems to be quite normal procedure these days for people to stock an item in the UK as a freight forwarder,  the seller is outside Europe, eg. in China but delivery is made by a warehouse inside Europe such as the UK, Germany.


If you report it to the HMRC they say its quite legal, the transaction  is made outside of Europe and the companies are just freight forwarders no UK transaction takes place only import and vat as they enter the UK, they claim the VAT back and then... often... some sellers... they value the item blow an amount required to pay any when they sell to you as value is what they pay for it...


Many of the sellers use the same companies to deliver, known as fulfilment centres.


I bought solar panels, laser cutter, stainless chemical reactor, bottle cap unscrambler from stock held  in the UK or Germany this year and all delivered from UK stock but payment to UK or Germany sounding company location London or Hamburg, payment actually to China by paypal 
Title: Re: Ebay shady dealing again...
Post by: spearfish99 on August 16, 2016, 04:35:43 PM
When I first started to buy items from Hobbyking  ( before their UK and European sites existed)  you knew that you were buying from the Far East and would have to pay appropriate shipping, but their web page had a section where you could choose what % of its actual cost went onto the customs declaration form stuck on the package !     They seem not to do this anymore
Title: Re: Ebay shady dealing again...
Post by: mook on August 16, 2016, 05:23:01 PM
I've had this several times on Amazon should be a law against it. They should make it clear on the advert where the item is coming from
Title: Re: Ebay shady dealing again...
Post by: Brian60 on August 16, 2016, 05:23:23 PM
The only way you will reach satisfaction and get your goods from who you want, is not to buy on ebay but go directly to a company of your choice.

You may pay extra to those prices on ebay, but you pay for that choice.
Jim.

That isn't correct anymore Jim. Quite often I have found Ebay seller price are the same or higher than normal outlets. The reason I use them nowadays is for free postage (yes the price is jacked up to cover it) But its far quicker to search Ebay for a dealer than any other method. Hence why I said I thought it was a UK seller, not a Chinese one in disguise. I never buy auction items - I've found that a waste of time and open to abuse. I only deal with sellers who have an online shop and a 'buy it now' price.
Title: Re: Ebay shady dealing again...
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on August 17, 2016, 07:02:28 AM

Bottom line, fleabay don't care, so long as they are getting paid.

The fault probably lays with Paypal, who facilitate these types of transactions. They also don't care as they get paid as well.

Title: Re: Ebay shady dealing again...
Post by: Tug Hercules Fireman on August 17, 2016, 10:26:46 PM
Fleabay / e-Bay owns PayPal.; same company.
Title: Re: Ebay shady dealing again...
Post by: jaymac on August 17, 2016, 10:31:09 PM
methinks Not
Title: Re: Ebay shady dealing again...
Post by: Martin [Admin] on August 17, 2016, 11:41:15 PM
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PayPal
Title: Re: Ebay shady dealing again...
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on August 18, 2016, 06:52:56 AM

Martin's link makes interesting reading. O0

Whilst no longer being "owned" by fleabay, there are links.

These people, are traders, have shops, and bring in revenue to both, Fleabay and paypal, so you can work out who has the upper hand.

Their conditions of trading, which are automatically accepted by you, when using their services make sure of that.
Title: Re: Ebay shady dealing again...
Post by: roycv on August 18, 2016, 08:49:05 AM
Hi all, do not mean to divert the thread but under the heading 'dodgy deals' a friend bid and won an auction for a car to be told when arranging payment and collection that it had been sold else where.
I suggested he left negative feedback, but he pointed out it did not get him the car.
Not sure what the legal side is in this.
regards Roy
Title: Re: Ebay shady dealing again...
Post by: plastic on August 18, 2016, 06:49:00 PM
Hi all, do not mean to divert the thread but under the heading 'dodgy deals' a friend bid and won an auction for a car to be told when arranging payment and collection that it had been sold else where.
I suggested he left negative feedback, but he pointed out it did not get him the car.
Not sure what the legal side is in this.
regards Roy

This is standard practice when the 'auction' doesn't reach what the seller really wanted or expected.
-ve feedback is good in these cases because it pre-warns the next unsuspecting buyer(s) bidding on the car when it is re-listed.
Title: Re: Ebay shady dealing again...
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on August 19, 2016, 02:46:23 AM
Been awhile since last used fleabay, seem to recall you cannot leave negative feedback????

And yes, it is common practice, for sellers to say item has been sold, or no longer available, if their "reserve", which is not made public, has not been reached.



Title: Re: Ebay shady dealing again...
Post by: Hellboy Paul on August 19, 2016, 07:02:02 AM
Been awhile since last used fleabay, seem to recall you cannot leave negative feedback????


Buyers can, sellers can't...
Title: Re: Ebay shady dealing again...
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on August 19, 2016, 07:09:22 AM

Buyers can, sellers can't...

Thank you  :-))
Title: Re: Ebay shady dealing again...
Post by: Brian60 on August 19, 2016, 09:00:47 AM
The last time I tried to leave negative feedback I was refused. I got a pop up telling me use the resolution centre first. Another reason why I don't use the auction function to bid for stuff. I use buy now. If I see something I want and the price is right I buy it from the dealer, never privately, which brings us back to the original question - how do we know who we are buying from!
Title: Re: Ebay shady dealing again...
Post by: StarLocAdhesives/FiveStar on August 19, 2016, 11:58:28 AM
On ebay at the bottom of the page it says sellers details link, any legally trading commercial seller needs the correct address here if not a commercial seller than no need ,
It is the sellers address not the item location at thee top is purely that the location of the item not the sellers location.
For a buyer its more important to note item location to prevent duty being required to be paid unless it is prepaid using the ebay service they have on some listings.








Title: Re: Ebay shady dealing again...
Post by: Brian60 on November 13, 2016, 03:07:57 PM
Ok been dong a bit of ebay shopping. Yep I knew it was a Chinese seller - nowadays they just have to be :} However I just ordered 4 items from 1 seller allegedly in the UK. In other words I browsed their shop and made 4 separate purchases all of them priced in sterling.

What a surprise to find that paypal had to inform me to pay for each item separately because there were different currencies involved. Hong Kong $, Australian $, US $, and good old UK£ :} In total the parts only came to just over a tenner so it wasn't the cost, its the delivery time, the one priced in aussie dollars is a 6 week window!
Title: Re: Ebay shady dealing again...
Post by: NFMike on November 13, 2016, 03:23:39 PM
. In other words I browsed their shop and made 4 separate purchases all of them priced in sterling.
You do need to be careful as often ebay shows a 'converted' price in sterling as the big number. If you look at the rest of the listing you'll likely find references to the underlying currency.
Title: Re: Ebay shady dealing again...
Post by: plastic on November 13, 2016, 03:34:37 PM
The converted price is usually in italics so you know it's coming from overseas.

But you're in Spain buying in pounds (Banking in uk?) - probably totally confusing the system.
Title: Re: Ebay shady dealing again...
Post by: Brian60 on November 13, 2016, 09:38:51 PM
Not really. I use a sterling based PayPal account and my son's uk address for delivery. So it's just like any other uk based buyer.
But as I say, the prices were ok for me so no quibble over them, just why can't they be up front BEFORE the checkout?


It's like going to Tesco, filling your trolley and when getting to the checkout telling you that they want payment in 4 different currencies.
Title: Re: Ebay shady dealing again...
Post by: plastic on November 13, 2016, 09:47:39 PM
Which country/locality is your computer set for? If it thinks it's in Spain it may be your problem.

Maybe you could solve all your problems by getting your son to buy things for you - UK/UK/UK all the way.
Title: Re: Ebay shady dealing again...
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on November 13, 2016, 10:46:32 PM
Not really. I use a sterling based PayPal account and my son's uk address for delivery. So it's just like any other uk based buyer.
But as I say, the prices were ok for me so no quibble over them, just why can't they be up front BEFORE the checkout?


It's like going to Tesco, filling your trolley and when getting to the checkout telling you that they want payment in 4 different currencies.

No.
Take note of Plastics comment. These days web sites note your IP address and act accordingly. Even Hobbyking greets me with Hi Aussie customer and I am only browsing???
That is why if you try to get around it, it picks you up via your IP. Aussie pirates, :o :o :o must be something to do with our ancestry, hide their IP's, to carry out Pirate downloads. %% %% %%
Even out illustrious leader, AKA Martin and site, logs our IP's. O0 O0
Title: Re: Ebay shady dealing again...
Post by: Akira on November 14, 2016, 12:10:20 AM
One could always use Tor as a browser to avoid some of these issues.