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Title: Aberdeen trawler
Post by: dgp1957 on January 24, 2017, 02:30:53 PM
Guys I have inherited this lovely weekend model of an Aberdeen trawler built by the late Tom Fields from Gourock.
Can anyone identify the type of trawler for me?
The hull was originally painted orange if that is any help?


David





Title: Re: Aberdeen trawler
Post by: DavieTait on January 24, 2017, 03:00:15 PM
there were quite a few like this in Aberdeen but the red colour does mean I think its the Ardenlea , originally a longliner , went to be an oil rig standby boat for a while before being converted to the side trawl ( as the model depicts ) and was red as a trawler for a while

(http://trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/data/516/Ardenlee.jpg)
^as a longliner
(http://trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/data/516/medium/Ardenlea.jpg)
^rigged for the trawl but at this time back to being an oil rig standby boat ( no port registry on hull )
Title: Re: Aberdeen trawler
Post by: dgp1957 on January 24, 2017, 03:03:57 PM
Cheers David, so she should have a red hull, any other colours that need changed?
Also would there be a name or id numbers on the hull?

Title: Re: Aberdeen trawler
Post by: dgp1957 on January 24, 2017, 03:07:15 PM
Sorry David, I see the reg no on the hull now.



Title: Re: Aberdeen trawler
Post by: DavieTait on January 24, 2017, 03:09:19 PM
She was red as a standby boat and for only a few months back as a fishing boat before being repainted either dark blue or black hull

Name on hull should be Ardenlea KY194 and the hull colour of Blue looks to be correct
Title: Re: Aberdeen trawler
Post by: dgp1957 on January 24, 2017, 03:49:57 PM
David would she have been painted orange when she was a supply boat?
Title: Re: Aberdeen trawler
Post by: DavieTait on January 24, 2017, 03:56:45 PM
Yup all standby boats were painted bright orange , still are

Her job was to keep close to oil rigs as a rescue vessel
Title: Re: Aberdeen trawler
Post by: BFSMP on January 24, 2017, 04:20:46 PM

Is it not the Billing model, Nordkap.


Jim.
Title: Re: Aberdeen trawler
Post by: nemesis on January 24, 2017, 05:12:29 PM
I think Jim is right, have a look at the Nordkapp, very similar, nemesis
Title: Re: Aberdeen trawler
Post by: dgp1957 on January 24, 2017, 06:18:02 PM
hi Jim, it's not the Nordkap it was scratch built by one of our late members Tom Fields. He had it painted a bright orange originally, but one of our members repainted it.
I was thinking of painting it in its original colour, any ideas which orange would be suitable? Also would the funnel be orange as well?


David
Title: Re: Aberdeen trawler
Post by: DavieTait on January 24, 2017, 09:23:05 PM
They were painted in a few different shades ( which ever colour was cheapest at the time I think lol )

(http://trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/data/626/boats_00510.jpg)
(http://trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/data/1202/medium/Grampian_King.jpg)
(http://trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/data/626/medium/grampiandee-27jan2006.jpg)
(http://trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/data/626/medium/St_Martin1.jpg)
(http://trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/data/626/medium/North_Star_SHIP_S.jpg)
Title: Re: Aberdeen trawler
Post by: Kipper on January 27, 2017, 12:47:24 AM
The model in question is definitely a Billings 'Nordkap', I know because I have the same model

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y21/deltic13/Boats/Laurel%20II/3e9cebd0-2dd4-40c0-986e-2edab9a76342_zpsm0cq22hr.jpg)

If it wasn't built from the kit, it was certainly built using the plans & components from the kit, the bridge window frames, rear deck vent, crane & foremast are a dead give away.
Title: Re: Aberdeen trawler
Post by: BFSMP on January 27, 2017, 12:57:52 AM

The model in question is definitely a Billings 'Nordkap', I know because I have the same model

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y21/deltic13/Boats/Laurel%20II/3e9cebd0-2dd4-40c0-986e-2edab9a76342_zpsm0cq22hr.jpg)

If it wasn't built from the kit, it was certainly built using the plans & components from the kit, the bridge window frames, rear deck vent, crane & foremast are a dead give away.


actually looking at the two together,  don't think it was the billing kit, although as you say kipper, there are many similarities.
Title: Re: Aberdeen trawler
Post by: Kipper on January 27, 2017, 01:15:15 AM
Definitely is, look at the droop on the front of the wheelhouse roof, the winch is the identical one from the Nordkap, the hatches on the deck, they are so alike it can't be anything else, the whole of the upper superstructure is identical.
Title: Re: Aberdeen trawler
Post by: dgp1957 on January 28, 2017, 12:16:33 AM
Sorry kipper the boat is not the Nordkap, there are similarities but this model was built from scratch by Tom Fields from a GA drawing  :-))
Title: Re: Aberdeen trawler
Post by: Kipper on January 28, 2017, 11:54:07 AM
Then that GA drawing must be the same one they used for the Billings Nordkap, because they are identical, from the anchors to the rudder.
Title: Re: Aberdeen trawler
Post by: Netleyned on January 28, 2017, 12:16:20 PM
One less freeing port, gallows entirely
different, small hoist abaft the funnel
to Starboard.
Mmm.....
Back then ,Billings were a favourite for
supplying fishing boat fittings so some
have probably found their way aboard.


Ned
Title: Re: Aberdeen trawler
Post by: BFSMP on January 28, 2017, 02:40:59 PM

Even the front of the wheelhouse is a different shape to the Nordkap......my first assumption was totally wrong as they are not the same ship.


Jim.
Title: Re: Aberdeen trawler
Post by: Kipper on January 29, 2017, 11:51:11 PM
I'll get the camera out tomorrow, take some up close shots of mine & prove it, I've been up close & personal with the Nordkap long enough to know one when I see one.  :-))
Title: Re: Aberdeen trawler
Post by: Ianlind on January 30, 2017, 01:47:55 AM
Does it really matter either way?


Ian.
Title: Re: Aberdeen trawler
Post by: BFSMP on January 30, 2017, 11:41:04 AM

It does when someone has built a fine looking trawler from, [what it has said to be from scratch] and yet someone else is insisting that it is a kit built model just because it has a resemblance to a similar kit that he has built.


It is insulting to the scratch builder I am sad to say.


Jim.
Title: Re: Aberdeen trawler
Post by: John W E on January 30, 2017, 11:58:32 AM
Lets try the BOSTON ARROW plan from my Hobby store
http://www.myhobbystore.co.uk/product/17002/boston-arrow-mm666

http://trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/showfull.php?photo=49725
john

Title: Re: Aberdeen trawler
Post by: Kipper on January 30, 2017, 03:48:59 PM
One less freeing port, gallows entirely
different, small hoist abaft the funnel
to Starboard.
Mmm.....
Back then ,Billings were a favourite for
supplying fishing boat fittings so some
have probably found their way aboard.


Ned

Freeing ports are open to builders making more or less when planking, yes the gallows are different but could be replacements.
As for the small hoist abaft the funnel, well blow me, exactly the same as the Nordkap (see photo of mine below) as are the pulleys on the deck & the doorway into the fore storage.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y21/deltic13/proof/copy%209_zpsnkkbag6u.jpg)


The front of the whellhouse is down to the angle of the photo. (check the shot below) & what about that radar?

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y21/deltic13/proof/copy%207_zpsqbgcfhaj.jpg)

..... the wheelhouse continuation to deck level, the pulleys & hatches on the deck & not just the jollyboat, but the crane too.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y21/deltic13/proof/copy%202_zpsxjmoypxt.jpg)

I don't want to insult anyone, but don't insult my intelligence, I've been to Specsavers & know what I'm looking at.
Title: Re: Aberdeen trawler
Post by: Netleyned on January 30, 2017, 05:13:06 PM
At the end of the day, yours is a Nordkap.
The other is a scratch build from  probably
The same GA.
Why worry?
Two very nice models loved by the owners.
Let's call it quits :-))
Ned
Title: Re: Aberdeen trawler
Post by: DavieTait on January 30, 2017, 06:42:15 PM
and people wonder just why people have been leaving the site......

Kipper NOTHING that you have circled is unique to the Nordkap model but pretty standard design features on ALL trawlers of that size class of that period between the 1950's to the late 1960's
Title: Re: Aberdeen trawler
Post by: Martin [Admin] on January 30, 2017, 08:20:58 PM
Quote
Definitely is...


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In this instance, everyone is right... and  / or wrong!


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