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Dry Dock / Shipyard: Builds & Questions => Yachts and Sail => Topic started by: rickles23 on February 14, 2017, 03:20:15 PM

Title: Sails
Post by: rickles23 on February 14, 2017, 03:20:15 PM

Any good sailmakers around?

Most of the commercial shops are too expensive.

I just need a working set for a Marblehead wooden yacht I am restoring.

Title: Re: Sails
Post by: slinger on February 14, 2017, 07:34:43 PM

Try House martin sails, he is very reasonable with his prices, our club use him all the time :-)) :-))

Title: Re: Sails
Post by: rickles23 on March 18, 2017, 03:41:06 PM

Nearly ready to order the sails but I have hit a problem.

Following the original parts for the restoration I have made the mast of wood.

It has a deep groove along the length of the mast into which I presume the leading edge of the sail goes.

How is this fitted?

Title: Re: Sails
Post by: roycv on March 18, 2017, 03:57:56 PM
Hi this is a luff groove and looking down on it should have a key hole cross section. 
The part of the sail the against the mast has a  slightly extended hem and this goes into the groove and a thin rod or wire goes into the groove from the top and locks it into the mast. 
In practise the rod possibly plastic is in the hem and you feed the sail into the top of the mast and slide the whole sail down.
Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Sails
Post by: rickles23 on March 18, 2017, 04:43:46 PM
Hi roycv,

The original mast just had a straight groove so I followed the design.

I will have to either build a new mast or redesign the way the sail fits in the groove.

Title: Re: Sails
Post by: JimG on March 18, 2017, 09:03:46 PM
As it seems to be an older design yacht there may have been a wire down the length of the groove. The sail would be hooked onto this with a set of hooks sown onto the leading edge of the sail. The wire would run through a number of eyes to hold it in the groove and kept taught with a turnbuckle or bowsie.

Title: Re: Sails
Post by: tigertiger on March 19, 2017, 02:39:45 AM
It might also help to contact the sail maker about this and provide a photo or two.
That way the sail maker can both advise and produce a suitable sail with the correct fittings.
If the sail maker does not know, then find a different sail maker.

There is also the Vintage Model Yacht Group may be able to provide more information, as you may need more tackle than just sails.
Title: Re: Sails
Post by: roycv on March 19, 2017, 08:18:18 AM
Hi Jim G, the system you may be thinking of is where there is a close fitting wire down the rear edge of the mast and as you say the sails are hooked in place.  No need for a groove in the mast though. 
I have used both above methods and would suggest that if you have the groove already in the mast use it as this is a good system.

Re making a new mast.
If not go for the piano wire or carbon fibre 1/16 dia rod held in place with small split pins which are glued into holes drilled into the mast.  Another version of this is to find some very small brassscrews (no more than 3mm across the head) drill and screw into the mast aligning the slot heads.  When in place pre-solder / tin the screw heads and solder a brass wire into the slot heads. 
Then dress maker hooks can be sown into the luff of the sail.  Keep the other part of the dress hooks as these can be used to hang the jib on at its leading edge.
These systems are fairly unobtrusive and ensure a good shape to the mainsail.
good luck,
regards Roy
Title: Re: Sails
Post by: rickles23 on March 20, 2017, 07:54:31 AM

Thank you for the replies.

All sorted now, luff hooks are to be fitted.

The sailmaker has not done a set of sails like these for many years so he was a little unsure.

Title: Re: Sails
Post by: roycv on March 20, 2017, 08:03:16 AM
Hi Rickles, glad you got some help from UK, Scotland and China!  With you in Australia that really spans the globe. 
My son returns to Woy Woy today so it is off to Heathrow for me this afternoon to start him on his journey.
Good luck with the yacht.
Title: Re: Sails
Post by: rickles23 on March 20, 2017, 02:18:48 PM
Hi roycv,

That's what I have found with the Internet, distance is no more.

Remember the old days when you had to send a letter?

By the way Woy Woy is 24C with a chance of showers.