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Title: Average age of members ?
Post by: slewis on August 21, 2007, 10:30:29 PM
As the poll says , what is the average age of members on here ? I am interested to find out how many of you are retired /work full time etc etc ,
Nothing more than clicking a button is required but it does give us some feedback into the membership on here so we can cater to you or perhaps cater to the ones we are missing !  O0
Shane
Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: Roger in France on August 22, 2007, 07:40:52 AM
Shane, I think the way the Poll is structured could be misleading.

Are you inviting members to "Guess and vote for the average age" or "Give their age so an average can be calculated"?

I gave the age bracket that includes my age.

Roger in France.
Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: DickyD on August 22, 2007, 09:33:39 AM
Shane if you are 60 do you click on the 50-60 or the 60-70 ?  ???
Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: dougal99 on August 22, 2007, 11:02:39 AM
Interesting. This thread has been read 70 times but only 39 votes (at time of writing). Is this because model boaters don't know how old they are.  ::) 

Anyway age is surely a mental as well as a physical thing. I know people in their sixties who look and act positively ancient and I know people in their late eighties who need to be kept off ladders when the roof needs fixing.  8)

Cheers

Doug
Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: RickF on August 22, 2007, 11:56:40 AM
I see the sixty-plusses are still well in the lead. Dougal is right, though. Age is partly a mental thing. I try to keep my brain active with all sorts of things - reading, quizzes, old-car restoration and rallying and, of course, model-making.

As regards the physical side, I'm sixty-two with the body of a twenty-year-old! Mind you, he wants it back as he reckons I'm stretching it out of shape ::)

Rick

PS Alway remember, growing old is better than the only alternative!
Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: Colin Bishop on August 22, 2007, 12:38:38 PM
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Interesting. This thread has been read 70 times but only 39 votes

It's because we're all making return visits to see where we fit in!
Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: OneBladeMissing on August 22, 2007, 12:44:31 PM
MODERATED

Perhaps the reasons people don't want to vote on this is :
Does it matter what age people are on this forum?   No it does not matter what age you are on this forum
What's it to do with Shane? If you read his original posting it will be clear why Shane started this thread
Who's Shane? Shane is a member of the forum and has been since February, he is also a moderator on other threads

Brian
Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: Captain Povey on August 22, 2007, 05:40:58 PM
Hi All, I am not surprised at the response because if you try looking up members profiles on this forum you will find that very few give away much information apart from their name. Perhaps there is just a healthy distrust of having all this sort of stuff out for public view. How many of us have the cookies blocked for example? Cheers Graham (61) going on (16) same digits different order. 8)
Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: Cargo on August 22, 2007, 06:21:46 PM
Sounds a bit paranoid to me... if i someone really wants to know something about you... he finds a way  ;)

Shane asked, feel free to vote or not  ::)

Hamburg, Germany, 40, Jan...  O0
Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: slewis on August 22, 2007, 06:23:37 PM
Ok lets put a few of these queries to bed .
The thread was started with an idea to acertain what sort of "population" the forum has . Ie is it all an older age group and if it is (as looks the case) we could then work out ways of creating  a wider appeal to the up and coming younger boaters and get them on board  .
As for giving away private details on a public forum I couldnt agree more with the idea of giving away as little as possible that could be used against me . I dont really think a button click with an age gap of 10 years is going to be an issue here.
Richard if you are unsure where you fit in click on the higher one as you are really leaving the 60th birthday behind day by day as you move towards 61  O0

I hope this clears up a few points  :)

Shane
Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: kiteman1 on August 22, 2007, 07:08:02 PM
Who cares how old you are as long as you wake up every day.................. O0 O0
Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: madrob on August 22, 2007, 07:22:37 PM
not really supprised at most of the members being older, my 11 year old son has no intrest what so ever in model boats, he prefers his playstation. its this kind of person this place has got to attract more of

Rob 41
Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: Made it to 80 (25p Richer now) on August 22, 2007, 07:27:50 PM
Sounds about right kiteman.......every day you wake up is a bonus make the most of it especially if you make it to 80 the powers that be are so proud of you that they enhance your state pension by 25p mind you they take 5.5p back in tax
                                          getting older by the day and more cynical
                                                             BobB ::) ::)
Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: DickyD on August 22, 2007, 08:28:51 PM
Cheers Shane not sure about that, it puts me in the same bracket as BobB that cant be right. :'( :'(
Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: omra85 on August 22, 2007, 10:25:48 PM
That CAN'T be right Dicky - I'm in the same group as you  :P :P

Is it just me, or do you "lock" on a certain age mentally?  I can distinctly remember when I thought I was 37 for about 8 years!!
You know, when you have to fill in a form with "age" and you automatically put "37" (or such)  before your realise and have to count up from your birth year!!
I'm currently "stuck" at about 45  :o :o   - then some bit of my body reminds me I'm not - like when I'm laying a patio (OK at the time - then next day .........)  :'( :'(

Danny
who did vote in the 60 to daisies group  ;D
Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: Marks Model Bits on August 22, 2007, 10:47:14 PM
Not me!!!!! well not for another 20 years or so.

Mark.
Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: OMK on August 22, 2007, 11:00:39 PM
I was born in an up-side-down year, dudes - 1961. (Turn your monitor 180-degs' - you'll see what I mean.)
And if that wasn't bad enough, my folks tell me I popped into the world one day too late (Apr. 2nd).
So then, Shane, I'll let you work the math.
Mind you, I don't believe a WORD what you said. I reckon you only posed the question in the first place simply because...
Well, f'rinstance, look at me. I've managed to retain me youthful bod' and me Adonis-like good looks... and still most of me barnet AND the common curtesy to stay away from Mayhem gatherings purely on the grounds that all the wives and girlfriends would start causing ructions, clamouring my attention and stuff, see?

So why do I feel like MILES older than I be?

Answer: Because you said this...

The thread was started with an idea to acertain what sort of "population" the forum has . Ie is it all an older age group and if it is (as looks the case) we could then work out ways of creating  a wider appeal to the up and coming younger boaters and get them on board.

Nonsense!
We've already been here. Over a year ago - a same-similar thread.

Mate, you can't play God. If any up-and-coming young boaters get aspirations of getting into this modelling caper, then they will - on their own accord. I mean, YOU did, right?
Age doesn't come into it, bro'.
The only reason most of the younger one's aren't attracted to the hobby is because most of 'em are too busy kicking ten bales of s***e from each other.
And then there's the grumpy-old-git stigma, of course.
Try and deny it, but that stigma is indeed live and well. So the kids today are having more fun bunging stones at your boats, rather than building their own.

My take is that the genuine ones will join when they're good and ready.
Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: Colin Bishop on August 22, 2007, 11:15:23 PM
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My take is that the genuine ones will join when they're good and ready.

And Old....
Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: slewis on August 22, 2007, 11:26:15 PM

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Mate, you can't play God. If any up-and-coming young boaters get aspirations of getting into this modelling caper, then they will - on their own accord. I mean, YOU did, right?
Age doesn't come into it, bro'.
I would be the last person on the planet to even try to play that role  O0
My purpose was along the lines of making the forum more popular to the lesser members than trying to get Johnnie hoodie to give up his psp fix and do something more rewarding instead .
The poll was to find out the age groups activley using the forum . What would you of said if the results had been reversed and the majority of users were between 20-30 ? or even 16-20 ?

I  cannot see any reason why we should not put ourselves out and try to activley recruit youngsters into this hobby and this poll is showing that the average age of boaters is close to or above retirement age .
Do you or anyone else have any ideas for getting the youngsters involved ?

Shane  
Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: Captain Anonymous on August 22, 2007, 11:36:58 PM
The biggest problem is showing any interest in kids these days they think your a pervert, so most wise men leave well alone. :-X :-X
Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: HS93 (RIP) on August 22, 2007, 11:44:58 PM
Let them smell the cellulose thinners..  

 No seriously  the Youth of today want instant gratification , they buy an X Box turn on put it on the easeyest level and think they are the greatest ,  where as in modeling there is a long period of building by time the glue has dried on the stand they are bored, if they buy a ready to run boat /car/ plane some get fed up waiting for the batteries to fast charge . Kids don't fix bikes anymore , they say its broke can I have a new one . but the problem goes back to the parents of the kids about today , 30 somethinks to early 40es who are in the same boat and cannot show there kids how to do it so the kids don't get started .. this prob goes back to when apprenticeships started to be phased out , and working with your hands where for the grubby people ., so there is a lot of work to be done as far as I can see to get us back to where kids think of work with there hands as a future job..
well thats my thoughts

Peter,, who served an apprenticeship
Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: Peter Fitness on August 23, 2007, 02:49:46 AM
Attracting young people to our hobby seems to be a problem everywhere, I know it is in our club. It is hard to compete with the computerised games mentality of our younger people, to a point where the Australian government has started a campaign to try and encourage young ones to get out and do something active. We have a big problem with childhood obesity here, and I believe other countries do too, so anything that will entice them away from the computer is to be applauded.
As far as the poll goes, I don't have any objection to anyone knowing my age, I thought it was only women who were coy about the subject, but it seems many men are too.  ::) As some wise person once said - old age is better than the alternative :D :D
Peter.
Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: Roger in France on August 23, 2007, 07:17:36 AM
I am afraid that many of the pat phrases, sweeping generalisations, intrinsic disapproval and suspicious hostility contained in many of the comments above is the reason why there is a gulf between some young folk and their elders. This applies in many spheres, not just model clubs.

Lighten up folk, treat every person as an individual and be open and friendly. Above all, ensure you are the kind of role model you would have enjoyed emulating when you were young.

Roger in France (one time head of the Youth Service in a major English local authority).
Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: Pirate on August 23, 2007, 08:46:31 AM
             On board the pirate family ship at Grantham and district mbc I have myself (44) my two sons (13 & 16) and my wife ( I would not dare to say!). At the dock side our membership was largely of the retirement age plus but has been rapidly increasing with youngsters joining via families watching our activities on and about the pool and I and other members getting there rears unfastened from the dock side and inviting the young ones in ( fun boats etc). Net result ....... an almost even balance of older and younger. The key here is ............. Communication at the appropriate level.
 MAYHEM has it all but I fear not many of the youth feel encouraged to ask and receive.
Just my thoughts and opinions.
Carry on the good work Captain

Pirate
Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: Colin Bishop on August 23, 2007, 09:38:47 AM
I think that there is one fundamental difference between the older and younger generations. Us mature types generally had to make our entertainment to a much greater extent, today you buy it. If you buy a game for a Playstation then you are always dancing to somebody else's tune - the programmer who wrote it. And there's nothing too show for it afterwards except maybe a high score If you build a model then you are creating something which in some cases may see you out! I know what I would consider to be the more valuable experience.
Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: Captain Povey on August 23, 2007, 11:26:29 AM
Hello all. There are lots of valid points on this thread. From my personal experience of spending years trying to interest youngsters in another passon of mine target rifle shooting which also takes months and years to be proficient and at requires thought, physical and mental control the problem is that once they get to 16/17 they discover girls are not so bad after all and much more fun to lie down with compared to a rifle.  ;D Cheers Graham  :)
Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: Tom Eccles on August 23, 2007, 01:09:23 PM
I want to add my twopence worth to this thread.

My Grandson is 10 (born on 30th Dec) Like many of his contemporaries he is an Xbox fan.
We have noticed over the years that he enjoyed "action" toys with mickey mouse r/c or cable control systems. Sadly we also noticed that these toys cost a lot of money and some times lasted a whole day before breaking.

Late last year I took my grandson to our local model shop and told him to choose his RTR. He chose a Carlson Tug as a Christmas present and I bought him membership of our club as part of his birthday present. You know what? He LOVES it! He lives about 50 miles away and does not get over too often but his first questions are always on the progress of the latest build followed by "when are we going sailing Grandad?

As the youngest member he is treated with great indulgence by the old guys and enjoys every minute of sailing the Carlson or my Yorkshireman. He brings the average age of our club membership down a few notches and I hope that one day he is going to tell me he wants to build one himself.

As for encouraging the youngsters, I think you either enjoy models or they leave you cold. the only young men we will encourage are those who are already of the modelling mentality.

Clegg
Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: Bryan Young on August 23, 2007, 11:48:09 PM
Age does not really come into it.
Youngsters come into the hobby because a) it is fun and/or (b) dad does it.
The prolferation of "ready to sail" or "ready to fly" straight out of the box does not help the modelling fraternity at all. I guess we must all face the inevitable, that this generation of ours will see the demise (in general) of a generation willing to spend time and effort building something unique. I can lay some of this on the doorsteps of the "kit"manufacturers as they all seem to promise a "quick" way of producing a working model. No experience required. No need to do any research, just read the instructions.
Is that really the way that model boating is heading? I think it is.
The majority of members on this forum seem to build "out of the box", and are therefore building a boat that is somebody elses.
Quick and easy.
The Kit manufactuters do (in general) a pretty good job......but of necessity their range has to be limited. It is not really surprising that newcomers to the hobby think that all boats are "kits".
MODERATED

Brian
The thread is about the age of members on the forum, not your thoughts on building kits.

Brian
Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: Ghost in the shell on August 24, 2007, 12:04:22 AM
brian, not all of us have the skill to build from a set of plans, I know I dont!

Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: Colin Bishop on August 24, 2007, 12:07:24 AM
Bryan, that is a more reasoned argument that some of your earlier posts and you do make a valid point. However, the situation has been like that for years. I don't object to kits for the following reasons:

1. They encourage people into the hobby.
2. Building a kit is better than building nothing and simply sitting in front of a computer game. Many kits do stretch the builder - if only because of the incomprehensible instructions and badly fitting parts! They do provide a valuable learning experience and frequently something to be proud of.
3. I think it's fair to say that most scratchbuilders started on kits whether Airfix or something more sophisticated. They learned from them and went on to improve their skills. Everyone has to start somewhere and some continue further down the road than others - that's life.
4. Taken to its logical conclusion, scratchbuilders who build from plans are simply replicating somebody else's design and not creating something new. OK, it's a step up from building kits but is it really any different in principle?

A good friend of mine, now sadly passed on, used to design and build his own liner models. He was criticised because they were not "authentic"! There are no rights and wrongs in this hobby, just different viewpoints. You are entitled to yours but that doesn't mean that it is "right" - it's just different.
Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: Ghost in the shell on August 24, 2007, 01:02:24 AM

A good friend of mine, now sadly passed on, used to design and build his own liner models. He was criticised because they were not "authentic"! There are no rights and wrongs in this hobby, just different viewpoints. You are entitled to yours but that doesn't mean that it is "right" - it's just different.

Colin, I go on something simple, If it looks right, it probably is!
Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: Peter Fitness on August 24, 2007, 08:10:17 AM
We seem to be getting away from the original subject here, the age of members, and into an area that has caused debate in many forms of modelling - kit versus scratch. Bryan seems to be saying that we are not true modellers unless we do the lot, design the subject, draw the plan, and build the model, and he may be right. However, how many of us have the skills, or the desire, to do this? I know I don't. I have always derived greater enjoyment from building from plans (someone else's), whether it be aircraft or boats, but I have also built from kits, mainly because I don't have the necessary skills to build the particular model any other way. It is an argument that will continue as long as there are enough of us older modellers to know the difference between scratch built, kit built or RTR, and it is all rather futile as, by definition, we are all modellers in the end - because, by whatever means, we make models. ;)
Peter.
Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: Colin Bishop on August 24, 2007, 08:31:13 AM
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If it looks right, it probably is!

Or, "If it looks right, you've probably got the wrong idea!"  ;)
Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: chas on August 24, 2007, 09:42:03 AM
Cmon, surely model boating is only about one thing, enjoying whatever you do. Scratch built or kit, speed or scale, static or working, It doesn't matter if you enjoy it. I will never forget a youngster on his first visit to a club, years ago who got a scathing remark from an 'old git' ( now long gone) we never saw that lad again. This forum is famous for being friendly and helpful, that's the most important thing we can do to bring in the young 'uns.
   Just a thought, but perhaps some clubs could invite cub and scout groups to visit, I think they can still earn a craft badge. What's the betting that some clubs already do this?
 Charlie
Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: Made it to 80 (25p Richer now) on August 24, 2007, 11:05:00 AM
Well said Chas :police:
Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: DickyD on August 24, 2007, 12:03:03 PM
Mark and Hannah were down our way the other weekend and came to our lake on the Sunday morning.
We dont have too many young members but I think I am right in saying that us old fellers made them welcome and that even our dedicated scratch builders were very impressed with Hannah and her Springer tug.
We have 100 members and a waiting list and are known as a friendly and helpful club to all ages.
Infact several of the more senior members of the club offered to help my nipper, by throwing him  into the middle of the lake to retrieve my PT boat superstructure he'd lost. ???
Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: Captain Povey on August 24, 2007, 01:16:04 PM
Hello all, Well in my time I have designed, made the prototypes and put the product into production for my company so I suppose I can claim to have all he required skills for scratch building but what I lack is the time. The last kit build took me 6 months by which time I wanted to get it finished and on the water. It was not that easy to build and did require some builder input. Each to their own I say. Cheers Graham  :)
Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: Guy Bagley on August 24, 2007, 01:53:50 PM
i can only speak from experience, my 4 yr old son wanted a boat 'cos dad has one ( well actually several ! )

 i thought about the ready to run option for him , something he could basically slip the lid on , stick the stickers on and get wet and get running, after all he is only 4....

 but imagine my surprise when in the local modelshop ( sadly now clsed !) when he started picking at styrene sheets and telling me he also needed some wood for his boat......  and he then started to look at the more unusual extruded sections of plastruct.... he had no idea what he was going to make but he wanted these materials.....i nearly steered him away from these bits and bobs and then the penny dropped.... he wanted to 'create' and not just  'buiLd'-

 i was sure something  brightly coloured , sporty looking with aerofiols and fins on would be what he would go for in the shop- you know the stuff that frequents  the windows of most hobby shops and  some trade stands at shows, ... the stuff made in their thousands in the land of the rising sun.....

after a minute or two i decided not to dampen his idea, we bought several types of  material, and glues, and paints and took it all home, we then purchased a GRP hull on line about a week later,  not of anything in particular but one he liked the look of !- he then sketched ( well more of a well meaning scribble) an idea of what he wanted to build, and then he started to mark out on the materials what he planned to make,  carefully the boat began to take shape,

 but his enthusiasm to build, and to solve the problems as he went along was worth every penny- that to me was the most worthwhile bit , ok , what he actually put together is  just a 3d version of what he had in his head, its a  slow plodder of a boat, its a twin screw vessel, very boxy type superstructure,pretty ugly in fact, looks a bit like a house boat !!! but he loves it.... and hopefully the true model boater  in him has been let loose, and as he gets older he may build something else,  but the pride  he takes over his boat in unreal,at shows he tells everyone ' i made this'

a ready to run boat would have been alot quicker to build but i bet by now it would be in the bottom of the wardrobe in its polystyrene box..... he however has his boat pride of place on show in his bedroom....

so whatever you decide  lets not tar everyone with the same brush, not all youngsters want to sit and play xbox, or playstation,  not all want to operate model boats..... not everyone can or wants to scratch build,  thats fine, whatever we do lets agree on one thing -and that is model boating in whatever form it takes is a rewarding pastime,  and hopefully long may it continue !- at least now my son knows how to mix araldite and how to carefully score and snap plasticard... valuable skills in later life ! O0


Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: Tom Eccles on August 24, 2007, 05:16:36 PM
Very well put Guy.

As for your closing sentiments - I could not agree more.

Clegg
Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: bigfella on August 25, 2007, 11:54:43 PM
Hi All

I have observed over the years that there can be two reasons for the younger generation not willing to join our hobby, one is as mentioned the Instent gratification factor. The other is what I call the fear of failure, I know it sounds silly and many may disagree but these days youngsters are so competitive that they will not venture into something that they don't know and there fore might fail.

Another observation is that the American Indians had the right idea when it came to raising children. Whilst the parents went out hunting and doing the necessary things for survival the children were taught by their grandparents instilling the skills and ways needed. If only this could be used in todays society, I think, the world would be a better place.

Just my thoughts

Regards David
Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: bigford on August 26, 2007, 02:44:35 AM
at 34 i enjoy building things cars boats models anything. 
    i think as age goes it a speed thing
a scale tug is not as fast as a nitro car or as cool as a 4x4 with brushless motors. so you wont see
to many young kids here in the states into scale anything
Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: anmo on August 26, 2007, 11:04:17 AM


Another observation is that the American Indians had the right idea when it came to raising children. Whilst the parents went out hunting and doing the necessary things for survival the children were taught by their grandparents instilling the skills and ways needed. If only this could be used in todays society, I think, the world would be a better place.




I like the idea of parents going out hunting for food, but it wouldn't be good news for the dog and cat population in UK towns and cities. Also, if that caught on here, it would have a very bad effect on Tesco's share price
Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: bigfella on August 26, 2007, 01:11:34 PM
I don't know, at least you would know that what you are eating is fresh and hasn't got some terrible preservative in it.  :D :D

Some how I don't think that the American Indians go hunting anymore that is left to the crazies who have the RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS so they hunt college students just for fun.

I was referring to the way they lived before being herded onto reservations (just in case you could not figure it out for yourself) ::) ::)

Regards David
Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: anmo on August 26, 2007, 02:13:18 PM

 the RIGHT TO BARE ARMS


Well, that's certainly the reason that short-sleeved shirts and T shirts were invented.....
Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: catengineman on August 26, 2007, 08:19:34 PM
The average age of members? and there is yet another thread on the subject of kit verses scratch or should I just say scratched record?

I myself am now a 38 year old who has four grand children one a boy who has asked "G'dad Richard can I help you make the next boat"? he is at the grand age of 6 1/2 now.
If I lived closer then he would be by my side at every chance to learn as much as he could just like HIS dad MY son so Jay's age would bring the average down....

As for kits etc etc I have built a car from some kit some my own design but it IS UNIQUE then there are the tugs I have constructed, yes from kits but then when you look at the modifications you would know that there is a lot of know how to do that used, I am at the moment constructing a model of a dredger totally from plans (originals) but that is what I can do and I don't normally bark on about it

I enjoy this HOBBY and enjoy the help that others can and do give FREE I try not to say what is wrong and what is not as it is not MY build

Long may the average age drop lower and lower
Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: Capt Jack on August 26, 2007, 09:00:42 PM
38 ?,my 'bottom' !!!!!
Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: DickyD on August 26, 2007, 09:05:03 PM
I myself am now a 38 year old who has four grand children one a boy who has asked "G'dad Richard can I help you make the next boat"? he is at the grand age of 6 1/2 now.
Long may the average age drop lower and lower

Do you think your average age might have dropped too low ?? ??? ::)
Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: catengineman on August 26, 2007, 09:12:40 PM
OK sorry TYPO             48
Title: Re: Average age of members ?
Post by: catengineman on August 26, 2007, 09:15:29 PM
OK sorry TYPO             48


Now I'm  having palpitations so I'll GO BACK TO 38

IF the female persuasion can get away with it SO CAN US UNEMPLOYED