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Mess Deck: General Section => Tugs and Towing => Topic started by: Paul2407 on March 06, 2017, 08:52:08 PM

Title: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Paul2407 on March 06, 2017, 08:52:08 PM
Hi,
Can someone please give me some advise on the motors and ESC to use on a Billings Smit Rotterdam, currently it's got unbranded 540 cans and they are old so I would like to remove these but this is the first r/c I have had with 2 motors (except a tank) so do I need 2 esc's and work the motors independently or would they be best running in parallel?
I would like if possible to run the boat from 1 x 12v motorcycle battery (or better if someone has a better idea)
this is currently the state of it and will be renovated over the next few months and as you can see it came a lovely brand new!! antique Hi-Tec SP6/10A  :o

All ideas and helpful advice will be taken on board as I need as much as possible
(http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss8/saabmania2/s-l500_zpseoj5yko3.jpg) (http://s556.photobucket.com/user/saabmania2/media/s-l500_zpseoj5yko3.jpg.html)

(http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss8/saabmania2/s-l5001_zpsrgnqjinm.jpg) (http://s556.photobucket.com/user/saabmania2/media/s-l5001_zpsrgnqjinm.jpg.html)

thank you
Paul
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: dougal99 on March 06, 2017, 08:59:16 PM
To run two motors independently you would need 2 ESCs. From 1 ESC you need to remember to wire your motors so that they contra rotate ie swap leads over on one motor. You can get a sort of independent control by using a mixer. The jury is out on which is best; mixer or two ESCs. It comes down to personal preference.
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Paul2407 on March 06, 2017, 09:16:45 PM
thank you for the quick reply, so in that case I think I will start with one ESC and see how it goes and then I can always change to 2 later on

Is there any good ESC to go with? for a 12v motorcycle battery I can only seem to find Chinese one's on ebay and the like?
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: T33cno on March 06, 2017, 09:57:20 PM
Hi Paul
I'm building mine right now and I've installed Mabuchi 555's and will fill the action electronics ESC mixer
Motors are 9 each at component shop or 11 with mounts
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Paul2407 on March 06, 2017, 10:00:39 PM
Hi Paul
I'm building mine right now and I've installed Mabuchi 555's and will fill the action electronics ESC mixer
Motors are 9 each at component shop or 11 with mounts

Ah perfect thank you, I'll have a look now at the Mabuchi 555's the motors as they are a bargain at that price  :-)) do you have a build thread for yours?
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: T33cno on March 06, 2017, 10:02:46 PM
Not had the time but I keep uploading pictures here :-))
https://techno.smugmug.com/Smitt-Rotterdam/ (https://techno.smugmug.com/Smitt-Rotterdam/)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Smitt-Rotterdam/i-tbtSj9L/0/X3/IMG_0498-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Paul2407 on March 06, 2017, 10:04:18 PM
Cool I'll have a look  :-)

What ESC are you going to use?
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: T33cno on March 06, 2017, 10:05:58 PM
Cool I'll have a look  :-)

What ESC are you going to use?


It's the action electronics P94 at 79
This is a mixer also
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: 16-21 on March 06, 2017, 10:07:19 PM
Paul,

Have a good look at action you could purchase one of there esc that controls both motors and mixes them
Tank steering
Battery wise go Nimh
You want to keep the weight as low as possible in the hull.
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: T33cno on March 06, 2017, 10:08:18 PM
Link
http://www.action-electronics.co.uk/pdfs/Smit%20Rotterdam%20-%20Ken%20Brotherton.pdf
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: T33cno on March 06, 2017, 10:13:53 PM
I just fitted the same controls in this Afon Alaw
It will be more difficult in the Smit
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Afon/i-smTg7bL/0/X3/IMG_0735-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Paul2407 on March 06, 2017, 10:14:20 PM
Link
http://www.action-electronics.co.uk/pdfs/Smit%20Rotterdam%20-%20Ken%20Brotherton.pdf (http://www.action-electronics.co.uk/pdfs/Smit%20Rotterdam%20-%20Ken%20Brotherton.pdf)

thank you that makes sense now  :-) they seem to get good write ups too so I'll look at one of those  :-)) seems a much better idea than what I had  O0
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: T33cno on March 06, 2017, 10:17:31 PM
Only component shop sell the action electronics
Handy as they sell the motors too
I chose the mabuchi as it is low revs direct drive and perfect for this model
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Paul2407 on March 06, 2017, 10:19:23 PM
Paul,

Have a good look at action you could purchase one of there esc that controls both motors and mixes them
Tank steering
Battery wise go Nimh
You want to keep the weight as low as possible in the hull.

Ah ok that chap I bought it off suggested he ran it on a motorcycle battery and he also said you'll want some lead or similar as ballast, although in the battery area he's half filled it with filler foam so that will only make it pop around like a cork, it will be being removed at the weekend
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: T33cno on March 06, 2017, 10:20:36 PM
I'm using a 12 volt 9ah laid on its side


Motor link
http://www.componentshop.co.uk/mabuchi-555-dc-motor-mounting-bracket.html
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Paul2407 on March 06, 2017, 10:33:25 PM
I'm using a 12 volt 9ah laid on its side


Motor link
http://www.componentshop.co.uk/mabuchi-555-dc-motor-mounting-bracket.html (http://www.componentshop.co.uk/mabuchi-555-dc-motor-mounting-bracket.html)

thank you you've been a great help, i'll update here one my progress of the refurbishment, and I'll keep an eye on your lovely build
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: 16-21 on March 06, 2017, 10:44:42 PM
12v 9ah on its side is okay
Just sit it as low as possible.
If it needs ballast try and use a nicad or Nimh pack
You could then use that battery for the bowthruster or even lights etc.
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Paul2407 on March 06, 2017, 11:03:49 PM
12v 9ah on its side is okay
Just sit it as low as possible.
If it needs ballast try and use a nicad or Nimh pack
You could then use that battery for the bowthruster or even lights etc.

perfect thanks for the advice Batfish  :-)) , I don't think I'm going to do a bow thruster for the simple reason as the boat has already been built and I'm just doing a refurb and I've looked at the chances of getting on into the position needed and to be honest I don't think I would get my hands anywhere near there is just not enough room now without stripping off some of the hull planks
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Paul2407 on March 08, 2017, 07:20:06 PM
Right ordered 2 mabuchi 555 motors and 2 suppressor kits (as wasn't sure if I needed them) think I do

Whilst I was there I was going to order an Action Mixer P94 but saw that they had a special on the 12v 9ah batteries at ONLY 8.50 each!!! Complete bargain, so I bought 4 of them instead knowing that I could buy the P94 mixer in the near future  :} and as the mixer is not needed yet just yet  {-)

Also some toggle switches etc... for the lighting & smoke install

Thank you T33cno I wouldn't have known about that shop if I hadn't spoken with you  :-))
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: T33cno on March 08, 2017, 07:36:23 PM
My pleasure Paul, it's all new to me too as I only started in January  :-))
Check the voltage of the batteries as soon as they arrive, I received a duffer at under 8 volts that refused to take a charge. They sent me another without quibble.


I'm sure that more ballast will be needed than the battery and I'm going to use lead shot set in resin with cling film beneath to prevent it sticking to the hull (a tip gleaned from here)
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Paul2407 on March 08, 2017, 07:51:52 PM
yes I was going to use lead, but I will make a mould to the shape of the hull with some putty then make the reverse mould and pour the lead in, I make lead weights all the time for fishing  :-))

I will check the batteries on arrival, did you have to send the duffer back at your expense?
Also maybe a daft question but what charger do you use for those? I've got a few lipo chargers like the imax B6 and overlander rc6-vsp as I think a 12 car charger kicks out too many amps  {:-{
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Paul2407 on March 08, 2017, 08:44:47 PM
yes I was going to use lead, but I will make a mould to the shape of the hull with some putty then make the reverse mould and pour the lead in, I make lead weights all the time for fishing  :-))

I will check the batteries on arrival, did you have to send the duffer back at your expense?
Also maybe a daft question but what charger do you use for those? I've got a few lipo chargers like the imax B6 and overlander rc6-vsp as I think a 12 car charger kicks out too many amps  {:-{

Don't worry I've found that one out doing a bit of research found out that sealed lead acid batteries are Pb batteries and all chargers have got that one with upto 12v so perfect
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: T33cno on March 08, 2017, 08:54:19 PM
yes I was going to use lead, but I will make a mould to the shape of the hull with some putty then make the reverse mould and pour the lead in, I make lead weights all the time for fishing  :-))

I will check the batteries on arrival, did you have to send the duffer back at your expense?
Also maybe a daft question but what charger do you use for those? I've got a few lipo chargers like the imax B6 and overlander rc6-vsp as I think a 12 car charger kicks out too many amps  {:-{
No they asked me to dispose of it.
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Paul2407 on March 08, 2017, 08:58:55 PM
That was good service then as sending it back would have cost as much as the battery  :-)) going to start stripping the hull at the weekend, not going too mad on the topside just a light sand on the crazing and then a re-paint it'll get me back on the water this summer the worst bit is the hull just need to make sure it's watertight
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Stavros on March 08, 2017, 09:07:26 PM
WOA....if the paint has crazed then dont bother to recoat it as it will react....it needs to be rubbed down all the way though the crazying




Dave
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Paul2407 on March 08, 2017, 09:13:07 PM
WOA....if the paint has crazed then dont bother to recoat it as it will react....it needs to be rubbed down all the way though the crazying




Dave

 {-) Don't panic it will be, what I meant by that was the deck with be rubbed down but some of the attachments (cranes etc) are crazed but to me this makes it look authentic so will leave some of this that last thing I want to do is make it look like a brand new boat I hate that look
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Brian60 on March 12, 2017, 08:49:28 AM
OR.... you could weather it to the same extent as this plastic model %% ...................
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Paul2407 on March 12, 2017, 10:54:52 AM
OR.... you could weather it to the same extent as this plastic model %% ...................

my topside is finished then!!  {-)
on a serious side I got the hull sanded back yesterday, sealed with shellac and then primed and started filled the imperfections it's looking better already at least those horrible cracks have gone, still undecided what paint to use for the antifouling colour, I like the red oxide but if I do that colour then I don't want the shiny look but I need to seal it with some sort of clear coat, I have already bought a tin of the Humbrol no 19 bright red as per the original instructions but to me this doesn't look right 
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Brian60 on March 12, 2017, 01:12:11 PM
As you don't know what it was originally painted with its a difficult choice. I would say the best bet to avoid paint reaction is Humbrol, with it being enamel based it doesn't usually react with other unknown paints - but there is always a chance! Humbrol does have a close colour to red oxide in its matt enamel range. Once painted you can spray a Humbrol satin or matt clear coat, available in spray cans.
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Paul2407 on March 12, 2017, 07:19:23 PM
Here's a couple of photos in the state it's in at the moment, still needs some more filling and sanding but it's getting there slowly

(http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss8/saabmania2/IMG_0572_zps2ntsqqj3.jpg) (http://s556.photobucket.com/user/saabmania2/media/IMG_0572_zps2ntsqqj3.jpg.html)

(http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss8/saabmania2/IMG_0573_zpsu7jcbe7m.jpg) (http://s556.photobucket.com/user/saabmania2/media/IMG_0573_zpsu7jcbe7m.jpg.html)

(http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss8/saabmania2/IMG_0574_zpsh1l4mcme.jpg) (http://s556.photobucket.com/user/saabmania2/media/IMG_0574_zpsh1l4mcme.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Paul2407 on March 18, 2017, 12:40:57 PM
Few more pics of it coming along, obviously still has the masking tape on, I took the decision to hand paint the black in humbrol enamel paint as I wanted to keep the older look to the boat which I think you lose with spraying, got to make a couple of repairs to the mast and rear crane but they are being repainted anyway
(http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss8/saabmania2/IMG_0579_zpsqhvrno6w.jpg) (http://s556.photobucket.com/user/saabmania2/media/IMG_0579_zpsqhvrno6w.jpg.html)

Still lots to do
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: mersey dave on March 19, 2017, 11:39:40 AM
Looking good :-)) keep at it you are doing a grand job.

Regards Dave.
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Paul2407 on March 19, 2017, 12:04:09 PM
Looking good :-)) keep at it you are doing a grand job.

Regards Dave.
Cheers Dave that's very kind of you,
but it's not up to the standards of your stuff, to be honest I've found this is rather more difficult undoing someone else's work and trying to put right the poor paintwork that was on it due to it's age especially around the deck that's looking like a pain in the rear, much rather build something from scratch or at least a kit
This morning I've managed to fit the new portholes this morning see pic (bit un-tug like) some might say but I though I would change it a little, rear cranes have been taken off and sanded down ready for re-painting also I made new rear cover for the rudder access as that had curled up of age (she is 38 years old)
it will be respectable & usable once done and I will probably give it to my son once I've built myself something else after this is finished 

here's a pic of the portholes
(http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss8/saabmania2/IMG_0580_zpsjrmmpkzl.jpg) (http://s556.photobucket.com/user/saabmania2/media/IMG_0580_zpsjrmmpkzl.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: mersey dave on March 19, 2017, 12:10:05 PM
They look good Paul, I am like you I like my tugs to look like they have done a bit of work.... don't like them looking to clean a few scuffs here and there and to me they look better.

Regards Dave.
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Paul2407 on March 19, 2017, 12:37:49 PM
They look good Paul, I am like you I like my tugs to look like they have done a bit of work.... don't like them looking to clean a few scuffs here and there and to me they look better.

Regards Dave.

Yes I have to say when was the last time you saw a clean shiny tug? you've probably seen a few tugs around the Liverpool docks
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Paul2407 on March 25, 2017, 08:10:36 PM
Right I've done a little more on the Smit and I've got a conundrum and need your help, more of that later but the parts I've done is to strip the funnels off the bridge section and separated them from the main mast the mast as its being fitting with lights and a working radar (or 2  ok2 ) and will be repainted before being refitting, the funnels have been rubbed back ready for painting.
I've also finished the strips around the bow in the correct colours.
Anyway back to my conundrum the previous owner gave me a large pot of Humbrol Number 3 "Brunswick Green" paint and said that it was for the deck, but this is a gloss paint and I'm not sure it will look right  {:-{ although it does seem correct to the original instructions, to me it looks like the old council park bench green you used to see everywhere and also being gloss doesn't seem right for a deck (I'll stand corrected if I'm wrong) but can anyone please suggest what colour and whether gloss or matt to do the deck?  green is ok or any other colour suggestions gladly accepted

Pic of hull so far
(http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss8/saabmania2/IMG_0584_zpso2ppu2lz.jpg) (http://s556.photobucket.com/user/saabmania2/media/IMG_0584_zpso2ppu2lz.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: T33cno on March 25, 2017, 08:11:59 PM
looking great Paul  :-)
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Paul2407 on March 25, 2017, 08:14:47 PM
thank you, I've found it harder to redo an old build than to build it up from scratch, but it will be ok in the end  :-))
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: T33cno on March 25, 2017, 08:44:35 PM
The decks should be duck egg blue which is a pale green if anything.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Smitt-Rotterdam/i-N2HswjM/0/XL/IMG_0650-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Paul2407 on March 25, 2017, 08:49:42 PM
The decks should be duck egg blue which is a pale green if anything.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Smitt-Rotterdam/i-N2HswjM/0/XL/IMG_0650-XL.jpg)

Yes that looks far more like the colour I was thinking it should be and being matt it's far more appropriate, thank you T33cno your a star  :-))
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: T33cno on March 25, 2017, 08:54:29 PM
There is a brunswick green on the paint schedule but its not for the decks. However I have seen a number of ghastly models where it was used for the decks and I believe the early kits had quite poor instructions that led to this
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Paul2407 on March 25, 2017, 09:03:16 PM
hence why the chap said that what he used and I have to say I believe him as the where faded but in placed like under the superstructure it was still dark Brunswick green (Yuuk!!)

Anyway I've just ordered the correct #23 duck blue x2 I'll be happy once I've done the decks as there are so many nooks and cranny's to get around I'm not looking forward to that although I have removed most of the decks hardware.

anyway yours is looking good  :-)) I see you've cut a hole under the rear cranes are you going to make them work? mine where stuck solid but I've removed them carefully for repainting etc but I was just going to fit them loose so that I could at least remove them easily or maybe later make them move 
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: T33cno on March 25, 2017, 09:05:20 PM
Thanks
No Paul the hole is already laser cut and where the dowel locates nothing more.
Mine has stood still for a while while spare time and interest is diverted to my Portgarth
I will continue when the time is right  :-)
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Paul2407 on March 25, 2017, 09:24:07 PM
Ah ok so that must be a later modification then as mine has solid decks under the cranes although easy enough to drill through and connect up if needed
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Capt Podge on March 25, 2017, 10:36:05 PM
Hi ya Paul, that duck-egg blue is what I used on my Smit Nederland rebuild and it does look good. A tip from Carlmt (linkspan models) is to square off the end of the paint brush to avoid getting "fine hair trails" of paint where the bulwarks meet the deck. :-))

Regards,

Ray.
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Paul2407 on March 25, 2017, 11:05:07 PM
Hi ya Paul, that duck-egg blue is what I used on my Smit Nederland rebuild and it does look good. A tip from Carlmt (linkspan models) is to square off the end of the paint brush to avoid getting "fine hair trails" of paint where the bulwarks meet the deck. :-))

Regards,

Ray.

Great tip thank you Ray, I've ordered the duck egg now so just have to await delivery before I can get painting again
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Paul2407 on March 27, 2017, 07:36:23 AM
Found one tin of duck egg blue in my stash of so got started on the decks, looks better already  :}

(http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss8/saabmania2/IMG_0596_zpsichtv2pp.jpg) (http://s556.photobucket.com/user/saabmania2/media/IMG_0596_zpsichtv2pp.jpg.html)

Not sure what to do about the railings, I hate making railings!! just thought I'd get that out the way they are currently painted and where a little bent about so do I reuse them as they are and try to re-straighten them as best as possible or do I strip the paint from them and completely re-make them with new wire, just think the new wire is going to get bent fitting it anyway as it's so thin hmmmm!!
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: mersey dave on March 29, 2017, 08:09:47 AM
Hi Paul, looking good mate...... as for the railings I would have a go at new ones mate, you could spend a lot of time trying to salvage the old bent ones. :-)) :-)) :-))

Regards Dave.
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Paul2407 on March 29, 2017, 07:17:27 PM
Hi Paul, looking good mate...... as for the railings I would have a go at new ones mate, you could spend a lot of time trying to salvage the old bent ones. :-)) :-)) :-))

Regards Dave.

Yeah I think your right Dave but I might straighten & refit the originals for the time being as I'm desperately trying to get this on the water soon but I would like to make some new one's and solder these as the original are just thin wire going through the stanchions which the wire is not soldered
Anyway some new pics for you, I've been doing a bit on it this afternoon as I got home early from work

New motors in place
 (http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss8/saabmania2/IMG_0664_zpsqkm4bx9f.jpg) (http://s556.photobucket.com/user/saabmania2/media/IMG_0664_zpsqkm4bx9f.jpg.html)

Rear deck painted
(http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss8/saabmania2/IMG_0663_zpsuuualkzs.jpg) (http://s556.photobucket.com/user/saabmania2/media/IMG_0663_zpsuuualkzs.jpg.html)

Forward decks given 2nd coat after rubbing down as I wasn't happy with after the first coat
(http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss8/saabmania2/IMG_0665_zpswxw4zyhd.jpg) (http://s556.photobucket.com/user/saabmania2/media/IMG_0665_zpswxw4zyhd.jpg.html)

White stripe on the bow done
(http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss8/saabmania2/IMG_0666_zpshq2ixskl.jpg) (http://s556.photobucket.com/user/saabmania2/media/IMG_0666_zpshq2ixskl.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Paul2407 on April 01, 2017, 08:29:02 PM
managed to get quite a bit done today, connected up the Action P94 to the P92 power board and the receiver all plugged in but I've got no transmitter yet so when I turned the power on only 1 motor was running  {:-{ , hopefully this is because it's not set up with the transmitter yet? (should be here by Tuesday)
also got the funnels re-painted & re-glued back on just got all the deck bits to glue on, railings to finish off and the front mast to fit nav lights too before re-fitting.
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: T33cno on April 01, 2017, 10:34:50 PM
Read the P94 instructions carefully Paul. The transmitter has to be turned on first having already been bound to the receiver
With the transmitter on and the throttle etc set in neutral position you then switch on the receiver and WAIT for the click clacking sound from the P94 as it sets itself. You can then continue to control it.  :-))
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Paul2407 on April 01, 2017, 10:44:26 PM
Read the P94 instructions carefully Paul. The transmitter has to be turned on first having already been bound to the receiver
With the transmitter on and the throttle etc set in neutral position you then switch on the receiver and WAIT for the click clacking sound from the P94 as it sets itself. You can then continue to control it.  :-))

Thanks Andy I jumped the gun a little  :embarrassed:
I'm not entirely sure I connected the motors into the right, I think the portside is correct but the starboard I think should be connected in the middle connector G2.1 but I connected it on the G2.3 which is for the ESC for the bow thruster DOH!! 
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: T33cno on April 01, 2017, 10:46:44 PM
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Afon/i-jDLhBPR/0/X3/IMG_0703-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Paul2407 on April 01, 2017, 10:53:33 PM
Thanks that helps :) pretty much confirms what I thought although that's a P102 it has the same connections I have, I don't know what I was looking at as I could have sworn to said G2.3 which is the complete opposite side to the post connection, I'll change that first thing in the morning
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Paul2407 on April 01, 2017, 11:17:31 PM
No I've just re-looked at the instructions (See I do read sometimes  {-) ) and according to Fig 4 this is how mine is connected
so I think I might well have connected it correctly for my application, I used to be indecisive but I'm not so sure now  {:-{ %%

(http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss8/saabmania2/2017-04-01_zps8qcdvgeu.png) (http://s556.photobucket.com/user/saabmania2/media/2017-04-01_zps8qcdvgeu.png.html)
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: T33cno on April 02, 2017, 07:34:59 AM
Have you set the dip switches for the correct mode of operation?
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Paul2407 on April 02, 2017, 07:48:59 AM
No I've just re-looked at the instructions (See I do read sometimes  {-) ) and I copied Fig 4 and mine is connected exactly the same
so I think I might well have connected it correctly for my application, but it's put doubts in my head now, I used to be indecisive but I'm not so sure now  {:-{ %%

 
(http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss8/saabmania2/2017-04-01_zps8qcdvgeu.png) (http://s556.photobucket.com/user/saabmania2/media/2017-04-01_zps8qcdvgeu.png.html)
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Paul2407 on April 02, 2017, 08:27:35 AM
Have you set the dip switches for the correct mode of operation?

Yes I set it to mode 3 switch 1 off and switch 2 on, I think I've connected it correctly I think it's just lack of transmitter causing the issue so hopefully can sort that in a couple of days, don't know how I quoted myself above? I was in bed still then  {-)
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Shipmate60 on April 02, 2017, 08:34:05 AM
That transmitter are you using?


Bob
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: T33cno on April 02, 2017, 08:35:05 AM
Yes I set it to mode 3 switch 1 off and switch 2 on, I think I've connected it correctly I think it's just lack of transmitter causing the issue so hopefully can sort that in a couple of days, don't know how I quoted myself above? I was in bed still then  {-)


Yes without the transmitter it cannot set up. Neither motor should be running
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Paul2407 on April 02, 2017, 09:05:04 AM
That transmitter are you using?


Bob

Hi Bob, It's a Flysky FS-T6 but that transmitter is still in the post (should be here by Tuesday) currently I only have the receiver so I think I need to leave it until I have the TX to set it up further, in the meantime I can just get some more of the deck fittings back on
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Paul2407 on April 03, 2017, 07:39:18 PM
Well she runs all the action stuff was wired correctly in the end just some idiot (me) tried to set it up too early  :embarrassed: (note to self I must learn patience) anyway all sorted just got to finish off the bits on the boat stanchions, front mast lights, re-fit cranes etc , still not ordered the props I've put it off for a few weeks now as I'm away quiet a bit over the next 3 weeks and don't know when I'll be in to receive them so might have to refit the plastic props for a few weeks

Thank you T33cno for your advise I think I would have bought the mtronics w-tail mixer and separate speed controllers if it wasn't for you and they wouldn't be a patch on this Action Electronics equipment.
 
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: ballastanksian on April 03, 2017, 09:15:30 PM
I wired my mixer up like that and it went pop so, looking at the diagram, I assume I have done something else wrong  {:-{
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: T33cno on April 03, 2017, 09:19:28 PM
I wired my mixer up like that and it went pop so, looking at the diagram, I assume I have done something else wrong  {:-{
Polarity will stuff it if wrong
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Paul2407 on April 03, 2017, 10:36:03 PM
I wired my mixer up like that and it went pop so, looking at the diagram, I assume I have done something else wrong  {:-{

First time of wiring mine up but I did try to follow the instructions and it did work in the end, when you say you wired it up that that? you mean like in the diagram above? if so then mine is done exactly like that and works fine so can only assume you have connected something incorrectly, do you have any pictures?
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Paul2407 on April 04, 2017, 09:00:09 PM
Got some more done this evening nearly ready for trials, cranes all back on, the railings have been fitted starting to look complete again, was trying to upload video of radar and lights on but for some reason the site won't accept them

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Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: ballastanksian on April 04, 2017, 09:17:57 PM
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/922/7Cpc6Q.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pm7Cpc6Qj)

Sorry to hijack your topic  {:-{
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Paul2407 on April 04, 2017, 09:24:41 PM
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/922/7Cpc6Q.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pm7Cpc6Qj)

Sorry to hijack your topic  {:-{

No your ok  :-) what Action speed controller is that? then I can look up the wiring diagram but on first inspections it looks like from this angle the the red and black wire that goes from the battery into the P102 power board are around the wrong way the red should be towards the centre of the board and the black should be near the outside
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Paul2407 on April 05, 2017, 10:00:03 PM
ballastanksian (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=14161) did you get your Action powerboard sorted?
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Paul2407 on April 09, 2017, 04:24:59 PM
Well took the boat out for it's first run today and all was going well except it's a little high in the water so needs more ballast but otherwise very good except after around 10 mins there was some white wispy smoke coming out of the electrics area couldn't see anything wrong at all so gave it another quick go and it didn't seem to smoke any further (no smoke generator fitted yet  ok2 ) but it all still works fine would the new brushed motors give a little smoke off as they are still running in? as that's the only thing I could see that it could be otherwise everything looked normal nothing was particularly hot
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Paul2407 on April 09, 2017, 07:14:48 PM
Well just tried again in the kids paddling pool and no smoke at all so hoping it's just some residual grease or something just burning off due to all being new  {:-{

Anyway some pics for you as you can see it's still sitting a little high so more ballast is needed, might even have got away with 2 batteries in this model but too late now, what's best to ballast with?

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Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: T33cno on April 09, 2017, 08:10:17 PM
Thats one heck of a transformation  :-)
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Paul2407 on April 09, 2017, 08:19:50 PM
Thats one heck of a transformation  :-)

I hope a good one  ok2 that means a lot from you Andy thank you, so glad I bought the Action electronics its a good quality mixer that's for sure, only problem is this one is nearly finished so what to build next, I've just started a small scratch built frigate for my son only done the base and some bulkheads so far, but for myself I would either like to do another tug or I would like a ferry but I've not seen to many good kits for ferry's
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: T33cno on April 09, 2017, 08:24:56 PM
Saved her from the knackers yard  :-))


Ballast? lead flashing or lead shot seems a popular option with resin poured on. I read one member put cling film in the compartments before loading with shot and resin so it didn't stick to the hull. Lead sheet is less messy and easily cut
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Paul2407 on April 09, 2017, 08:33:17 PM
thanks it was too good for the scrap heap.

just got to build the smoke generator when the rest of the bits arrive in next few days then once that's in I can finish of ballasting her out before a proper sail down the local lake, I've got some lead I use to make fishing leads maybe I'll make a mould, I was thinking about buying a box of stick on lead alloy wheel weights
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: cos918 on April 09, 2017, 08:59:07 PM
I hope a good one  ok2 that means a lot from you Andy thank you, so glad I bought the Action electronics its a good quality mixer that's for sure, only problem is this one is nearly finished so what to build next, I've just started a small scratch built frigate for my son only done the base and some bulkheads so far, but for myself I would either like to do another tug or I would like a ferry but I've not seen to many good kits for ferry's


Carl of linkspan models has done 1 ferry kit and has a second near compleation . Then he is working on another two . Deans do 3 or 4 freight ferries


John
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Paul2407 on April 09, 2017, 09:04:08 PM
Ok thank you John I'll take a look at those, I was also thinking of a model of the isle of wight wightlink ferry but that would be a scratch build and I'm not sure my modelling skills are quite up to that but I might take a bash at it 
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: cos918 on April 09, 2017, 09:11:56 PM
nothing like a whitlink ferry sorry. These are cross chanel roros


John
Title: Re: Smit Rotterdam
Post by: Paul2407 on April 10, 2017, 01:09:46 PM
Electrics all taken back out this morning ready to re-mount on Paxolin board (thanks T33cno) wasn't happy with the install anyway and this way I can redesign it all, I was thinking about putting a second battery into the hull as it needs quite a bit more ballast, will do a test later with 2 batteries to see what it's like in the water