Model Boat Mayhem
The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Working Vessels => Topic started by: chipchase on March 29, 2017, 12:58:02 pm
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I have decided to have a go at making an X-Bow hull, its going to be a slow process as i am working with out plans.
she is going to be 61ins long with a 15in beam gave or take an inch LOL
heres the first photo as you can see the stern end needs a bit of work yet, but the basic shape is there.
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Great to see you building another :-))
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Great to see you building another :-))
Trying to get a bit of enthusiasm going Adam, quite a project really
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Chipchase I'm sending you a pm with regards drawings :}
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Chipchase I'm sending you a pm with regards drawings :}
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mail sent :-))
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Hopefully she will look something like this in about a years time LOL
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try this
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COR ............. that's very nice, and so kind of you to show the layouts.
This is going to be some build and I will be following it with great interest.
Cheers
ken
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example
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who wants i have more plans and pictures
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Thanks Lunganu they will be very useful :-))
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Great to see you back into modelling - hoping to get started on another model boat myself soon (other commitments notwithstanding).
Watching your work on here when time permits. :-))
Regards,
Ray.
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Hi Brian. Nice to see your back modelling, you will have to stop taking the dog on the beach and spend more time in the
workshop :-)) {-) {-) {-)
Regards
John
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Hi Brian,
If your at the Coalvile show at the weekend come say hello.
We have plans and the machinery to knock out a set of frames if they would help.
Regards,
Kim
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Hi Brian. Nice to see your back modelling, you will have to stop taking the dog on the beach and spend more time in the
workshop :-)) {-) {-) {-)
Regards
John
:-)) trying to do a little bit John
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Great to see you back into modelling - hoping to get started on another model boat myself soon (other commitments notwithstanding).
Watching your work on here when time permits. :-))
Regards,
Ray.
not fully committed yet Ray but slowly getting there, looking forward to your next build
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Hi Brian,
If your at the Coalvile show at the weekend come say hello.
We have plans and the machinery to knock out a set of frames if they would help.
Regards,
Kim
Thanks Kim, but unfortunately i will not be able to make Coalvile show. i have used your frames on an earlier project they are very good, the hull I built was the Cragsider. Unfortunately my mate Peter got the frames made to 1/24 scale and after making the plug she was a monster LOL I think she would have been better made at 1/32. Thanks again for the offer ( I might take you up on your offer if i hit problems LOL)
Brian
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Here are a few photos of the frames that Kim supplied for my Cragsider build. as you can see she turned out a nice hull but you need a crane to carry her
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Been busy over the last two days marking up and cutting out the frames, hopefully i will get a start on fixing the frames over the next few days.
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I'm following :-)
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Hi Brian,
Looks like you are managing just fine.
Thanks for the kind words regarding the frames.
Regards,
Kim
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Just a small update starboard frames done.
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Exciting :-))
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Exciting :-))
I am enjoying the build Andy, wanted to build an XBow for quite some time.
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Looking neat and solid Brian - is this going to be a plug or the actual hull ?
Regards,
Ray.
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Its going to be the plug Ray, so lots of work to be done. :-))
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Great stuff mate - looking out for more updates on this one. :-))
Regards,
Ray.
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A bit more done today :-))
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That IS a big rascal %)
Jim.
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That IS a big rascal %)
Jim.
Yes she is Jim, I think she will look quite impressive on the water. But thats quite a way off LOL
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I think you should already be considering transport and launching equipment Brian {-)
Super :-))
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I've just googled X bow boat images. WOW the possible configurations are endless.
Here's one most similar to yours :-)
(http://www.belowtheclouds.com/uploads/2008/02/ulstein02.jpg)
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I've just googled X bow boat images. WOW the possible configurations are endless.
Here's one most similar to yours :-)
(http://www.belowtheclouds.com/uploads/2008/02/ulstein02.jpg)
Yes Andy there is quite a bit of information on the X-Bows :-))
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If only I had a garage I'd be queuing up for one.
Although my skill set is probably a bit retarded just now {-)
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I will be following this build with a lot of interest....... if your Maltby is anything to go by this will be one hell of a build. :-)) :-)) :-))
Regards Dave.
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I will be following this build with a lot of interest....... if your Maltby is anything to go by this will be one hell of a build. :-)) :-)) :-))
Regards Dave.
Cheers Dave
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I will be following this build with a lot of interest....... if your Maltby is anything to go by this will be one hell of a build. :-)) :-)) :-))
Regards Dave.
Can't see this shape appearing in the tug world Dave , wonder what downsides will apply in the real world of full size ships . . . .
Bill
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Can't see this shape appearing in the tug world Dave , wonder what downsides will apply in the real world of full size ships . . . .
Bill
As a model nation we are already late to the table with X-Bow's. On the continent they are seen as the 'de rigeur' nowadays, unless of course you belong to the Maersk society :}
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Just come across these korts this afternoon I have had them in the drawer for about six years, I new they would come in handy one day :-))
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Are they cast aluminium or diecast ?
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I think they are cast aluminium, as I said i have had them for about six years if I am not mistaken Propshop supply them.
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Ta.
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A bit done today on the stern keel, hopefully two working stern thrusters will be fitted.
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Very interesting build :-))
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Love it 8)
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Coming on apace Brian - may I ask what thickness ply you're using, for frames and skins ?
Regards,
Ray.
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8mm frames and 3mm skins Ray, i used the same on the Cragsider plug ended up really strong. :-))
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Oke doke, thanks for that info Brian. :-))
Regards,
Ray.
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Small update,I had a few lengths of timber under the work bench so decided to cut it into 3mm planks instead of using all ply.
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I see you are approaching the worst part, the transition from slab side to compound curves as the planking nears the nose - isn't that fun to do! %% :}
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I see you are approaching the worst part, the transition from slab side to compound curves as the planking nears the nose - isn't that fun to do! %% :}
it certainly is Brian60, i am starting to enjoy the build LOL
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i think she is starting to take shape.
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It is an attractive shaped hull in a workmanlike way. The planking is finishing up very neatly Brian :-))
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Funny to see people building a wooden hull only to make a plug for a fiberglas hull... ok2
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What else would use to do that. A fiberglass hull can with stand the bumps and grinds that they get over the years. A wood hull still has to get fiberglass on the outside to help protect the hull and get a smooth finish. Just my thoughts on this.
Duane
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Funny to see people building a wooden hull only to make a plug for a fiberglas hull... ok2
What would you make your plug out of Danielle ?
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This is how I did my current build. Builders foam between the frames, cut and sanded to shape then a thin coat of plaster of paris over the whole thing before sealing and painting. But the end result is the same, its a plug to take the grp mould from, so it really doesn't matter how you get there missy, as long as the end result is what is desired. :}
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This is how I did my current build. Builders foam between the frames, cut and sanded to shape then a thin coat of plaster of paris over the whole thing before sealing and painting. But the end result is the same, its a plug to take the grp mould from, so it really doesn't matter how you get there missy, as long as the end result is what is desired. :}
Thats my thinking Brian60 :-))
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I understand the reason for the puzzled statement (as do those in the know), it always appeared to be a double exercise, but in retrospect, for a one off it seems strange, i.e. the love and attention some go to build the plug seems a waste and why not build the boat from that, but if its for a GRP, that's going to have a lot of strenuous work done to it then its worth while, but how many 'plugs' are out there that could find a commercial market, negative plug for the x boxes etc could still be used for other modellers if the owner is so inclined to pass it on.
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I am somewhat in agreement warspite. I could have completed my hull a lot quicker if I had done a plank on frame and possibly skinned the outside with grp. However I wanted maximum space internally so I didn't want the timberwork getting in the way. I was contacted by 3 people wanting a grp hull produced from the mould from my plug. I daresay I could have from those three made enough to cover all my materials, however with a minimum courier charge of 60€ from Spain to Europe/UK negated that making it a non starter.
This XBow being made in the UK and only having UK courier charges may be a different matter, at the end of the day it comes down to the builder - do they want the extra hassle of producing more than one hull?
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What else would use to do that. A fiberglass hull can with stand the bumps and grinds that they get over the years. A wood hull still has to get fiberglass on the outside to help protect the hull and get a smooth finish. Just my thoughts on this.
My Cornelia Marie took some serious beatings like crashed into rocks, docks, other boats, running full speed on sand to save her during windy weather ....
Never had more than a few scratches in the color which I could redo in minutes .... and I neved used any fiberglass and other nasty things on the hull. 100% water and stormproof... just my 2p opinion
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Well thats a few different views on why make a plug, I personally like the idea of having a mould. I think there are quite a few modellers pleased i made the Maltby plug LOL
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Where can I get one 8)
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Where can I get one 8)
Tyne Models :-))
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Do they have a working website ? It's like wading through treacle >:-o
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Its best to phone Les, I don't think the web site has been updated for some time Andy.Here is a photo of the first hull taken from the mould, this is the hull I used to build the Maltby.
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It's beyond me how any company manages to trade without a web based shop window {:-{
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It's beyond me how any company manages to trade without a web based shop window {:-{
I have sent you a PM Andy
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It depends on how people want to trade and interact with the public. For some, their capacity is limited enough that to have a website could make things impossible for them especially in that phase between earning enough from doing it to make ends meet whilst having a real job (Or being mostly retired) and making enough to live off of.
A client of mine weather regular grumbles about not having pictures on his web site but says that to have them would make his workload to great to handle in his current life. Also some people hate the internet and would prefer to talk to people.
It has to be said that clicking the mouse a few times is easier than picking the phone up, or writing an order out, but we have the choice as customers to decide wether we want to click or call. The company's have already made their decision.
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Order placed by text Ian :-)) it's not wot U kno but who :-)
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Hi Brian,
That really is taking shape nicely.
Our x bow is 1:72nd ... a nice sensible size, but yours ..
Yours looks awesome and tempting at that size. lol
Regards,
Kim
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Hi Brian,
That really is taking shape nicely.
Our x bow is 1:72nd ... a nice sensible size, but yours ..
Yours looks awesome and tempting at that size. lol
Regards,
Kim
Hi Kim she is 1:50th the reason I decided on this scale is I like the way my Maersk Leader sails. She is going to be 7 inches longer and an inch wider, plus a nice size for detail.
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Hi Brian,
Maersk leader at 1:50 ... now your just showing off ... and who would blame you lol
If it helps speed things along further on in the build we have all the superstructures etc. Cad Drawn and are easily re-scaled.
I know your more than capable but just to let you know.
Regards,
Kim
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Order placed by text Ian, it's not wot U kno but who
Haven't you got enough on your plate.
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Don't know what happened with the last post
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Order placed by text Ian it's not wot U kno but who
Haven't you got enough on your plate.
No it's for future
I must experience both ends of the quality spectrum :-))
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Brian your'e not a member of the IOS society by any chance??
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Brian your'e not a member of the IOS society by any chance??
No Brian60
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A bit more done today
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Nicely :-))
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No Brian60
Just in case you have never seen it. Here's the webpage scan down for Maersk.. http://www.osv-society.info/Our_Fleet.html
Also for more technical detail and youtube videos of various bit they make working on the ships their facebook page....
https://www.facebook.com/Maersk.Osv.Modelling
But you are really cracking on with the hull, I guess by later in the week it could be first lay up of the gel coat and surface mat?
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Just in case you have never seen it. Here's the webpage scan down for Maersk.. http://www.osv-society.info/Our_Fleet.html (http://www.osv-society.info/Our_Fleet.html)
Also for more technical detail and youtube videos of various bit they make working on the ships their facebook page....
https://www.facebook.com/Maersk.Osv.Modelling (https://www.facebook.com/Maersk.Osv.Modelling)
But you are really cracking on with the hull, I guess by later in the week it could be first lay up of the gel coat and surface mat?
Cheers Brian I often go onto the OSV-society web site, there are some fantastic models. I have quite a lot to do with her before I make the mould :-))
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starting to take shape :-)) a few pics
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a couple more
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Hi all I have decided to make some alterations today. i have increased the port and starboard sides by 20mm.I am looking ahead to the time when I make the mould, by raising the sides up i will have quite a bit of leeway on the final way i want her to look. i have also started on the bow bulwark.
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Yep you have come across the one drawback of modelling OSV's, the low free board of the stern deck :embarrassed: anything but near calm conditions while sailing, then just like the real craft, the workdeck can be underwater, meaning a well sealed deck is a necessity.
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Hi all,
Here is the build log of a X bow, from my friend Francesco (calafuria)
http://www.amirel.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=439 (http://www.amirel.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=439)
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https://youtu.be/H73AXr9o5Ic
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Yep you have come across the one drawback of modelling OSV's, the low free board of the stern deck :embarrassed: anything but near calm conditions while sailing, then just like the real craft, the workdeck can be underwater, meaning a well sealed deck is a necessity.
Yes Brian it s called a learning curve LOL,I have had the deck on my Maersk awash a few times.
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Grazi Eupon. I see it is an AX 04 hull, I hadn't realised this was fitted with the tilting / swivelling stern. I thought this came on much later models and was still in development when the Orca was built. I may be wrong though.
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Don't want to hijack this thread, but wow Eupon what a fantastic build! Thanks for sharing. Back to Chipchase build, I'm following with great interest! :-))
Hama
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Thankyou for sharing Eupon, she is very pleasing to the eye. Indeed X Bows seem to inspire some interesting logos etc.
I like what you are doing Chip chase, she will be a fine model!
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Had a busy day today pleased the weather was good, lots of sanding and the only place for that is the garden plus a god dust mask.
here are a few photos showing the amount of fillers added to get the right shape. :-))
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and after a lot of sanding
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Small update today :-))
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Shaping up nicely Brian, keep it up....
Regards,
Ray.
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WOW!!!, that looks superb.
A long way off I know but I can't wait to see it carving its way through some murky water. O0 :-))
Jim.
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Cheers Ray and Jim , she is starting to take shape, i think before she gets into murky waters i will be to old to lift her in LOL.
I keep changing my mind for the drive system i was going to have fixed nozzles with Becker rudders the same as my Maersk but i think she would be ok with pods the same as the ones i made for Esvagt Caroline.they would have to be bigger of course.
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You made the entire system pictured? (Apart from the prop) Lovely bit of model engineering Brian :-))
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Yes I made it for my Esvagt Caroline, here are a few photos showing the full drive system.
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Hi Brian,
You really are getting the hang of this model boat building {-)
That is a nice bit of engineering and model making.
Regards,
Kim
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Hi Brian,
You really are getting the hang of this model boat building {-)
That is a nice bit of engineering and model making.
Regards,
Kim
Years of practice Kim LOL
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Hi Brian,
Your not kidding, i'm impressed and inspired.
Regards,
Kim
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Very smart Brian and lovely work on the hull.
regards John
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Thanks lads this is the latest from yesterday, the next stage will be to gave her a thin coat of easy sand and then the long process of sanding to remove any marks.
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I will try to post this video later
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Quite a bit bigger than my Esvagt Caroline
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hi ya Brian
which lake are you going to sail this in - cos if you are going to sail it in Tynemouth's lake there wont be any room left for anyone else to sail their models :-) you will only be able to go up and down the water a few feet :-) and you will be knackered if you want to turn it round. Unless you want to sail it between the piers - there aren't many ships in the Tyne now - so you could do that.
Cracking build this mate.
I like the way you have done the hull.
We will make you into a builder yet :-) %% %% %% %% %% %% %% %% %%
John
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:-)) Hi John, its been a while since we last had a talk if my memory serves me well it must have been at Temple Park in I think 2011. hope you are keeping OK as you were quite poorly the last time we met. I don't go to the lake at Tynemouth now and haven't sailed a model since 2012, but i am slowly getting back into building again, to be honest thats the side i get more enjoyment out of.
Pleased you like the hull its certainly different, I don't think she will have a problem sailing between the piers :-))
Brian
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Hay bonny lad yor deff in the mastda class yay a canny builder.
Regards Howard.
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Hay bonny lad yor deff in the mastda class yay a canny builder.
Regards Howard.
Hi Howard packed in the models a while ago due to problems with my fingers, I think it was with trying to make small fittings. no problems at the moment so decided to have a go just to keep my hand in. ( in a small way LOL )
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I hope you havn't got white finger Brian as my Auntie has it and can only knit for a few minutes at a time which is frustrating.
Pace yourself and you will soon be finished and sailing around like a skipper.
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Thats the filling and sanding done over the last two days, the next stage will be to get some paint onto the plug this will show any defects that need to be put right before the mould is made.
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Impressive work and in such a short space of time, looking forward to more.... :-)
Regards,
Ray.
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Impressive work and in such a short space of time, looking forward to more.... :-)
Regards,
Ray.
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Yes Love it and so much more to come :-)
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She is starting to look like anX-Bow know, thats the first coat of primer on. a couple of blemishes to sand out but not to bad.
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I can see that all festooned with interesting logos and colour schemes :-))
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At the speed this is progressing its going to be completed before my stril barents ( 1 year into build so far) look forward to next episode
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Yep, that is so impressive - and that's just the plug. :o
Regards,
Ray.
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I can see that all festooned with interesting logos and colour schemes :-))
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Yep, that is so impressive - and that's just the plug. :o
Regards,
Ray.
Cheers Ray, still a bit of rubbing down yet
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The bridge is going to look so good especially if you intend to fit out the interior.
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I wonder how many know that MMM have an Xbow?
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-CH6Kb6K/0/23cbc562/X3/IMG_1251-X3.jpg)
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They used to have! Not seen it on their website for a while now?
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They used to have! Not seen it on their website for a while now?
Thats understandable as the x-bow that its based off would have to be 59 inches long to build her to 1/70 scale it doesn't look any bigger than their tug hulls, and at £264 give me a break :o :o
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I suppose it depends on your experience and wherewithal for fibreglassing . If you are not skilled in plug and mould making then £264 isn't too bad a price for the size.
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I suppose it depends on your experience and wherewithal for fibreglassing . If you are not skilled in plug and mould making then £264 isn't too bad a price for the size.
The picture doesn't really capture its real size. Pretty sure I could sit in it
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Crikey!
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Just an update on the X-bow plug, It looks like i won't be doing the mould as i had an attempt at doing a bit of fibre glassing and had to throw the towel in after a very short time due to problems with my chest.
I contacted a friend who does glassing for a living he is going to make the mould. I will post the first hull out of the mould. :-))
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Hi Brian can you post it to me O0 LOL
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Definitly wise :-))
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attempt at doing a bit of fibre glassing and had to throw the towel in after a very short time due to problems with my chest.
Sorry to hear that Brian but, no doubt, once you get the hull back we will see some lovely modelling going on... :-))
Regards,
Ray.
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Hi Brian can you post it to me O0 LOL
On its way John, LOL {-)
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Sorry to hear that Brian but, no doubt, once you get the hull back we will see some lovely modelling going on... :-))
Regards,
Ray.
hopefully Ray :-))
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Nice to see others making an X Bow. I have been plodding away at my own. The hull ribs cut for me by Barraccuda Boats for "Alp Striker" Although I have changed her under the water line to run twin Voith units.
https://goo.gl/photos/oGWi9jfHc3vfZ5cp9
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Nice to see others making an X Bow. I have been plodding away at my own. The hull ribs cut for me by Barraccuda Boats for "Alp Striker" Although I have changed her under the water line to run twin Voith units.
https://goo.gl/photos/oGWi9jfHc3vfZ5cp9 (https://goo.gl/photos/oGWi9jfHc3vfZ5cp9)
Thats interesting Voith units both on the stern
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small update on the Hull, hull mould nearly finished :-))
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Quite a bit rubbing down and polishing :embarrassed:
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Great to see you're still at it Brian :-)) - rubbing down, the worst job in the hobby :-X
Regards,
Ray.
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Great to see you're still at it Brian :-)) - rubbing down, the worst job in the hobby :-X
Regards,
Ray.
Plodding away Ray :-))
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rubbing down, the worst job in the hobby :-X
Ray.
therapy, and a relief for stress and anxiety........................just the job, O0 8)
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Glad to see you have stuck with it and are making progress albeit slowly O0 O0
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Very nice :-))
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Here is the first hull out of the mould, really looking forward to this build. SHE IS BIG :-))
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Another photo
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That is a beast and a half, very very nice............... :-))
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Lovely crisp moulding there, well done.
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She is a big hull, very nice :-))
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that is a beautifully moulded hull, chipchase...........are you going to market that one..........well up to the standards of others that I have seen, and I can't find anyone else that does an Xbow hull of that BIG size.
I think you should ponder that.
Jim.
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The months of hard labour appear to have paid off - great looking hull mate. :-))
Regards,
Ray.
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Thanks for the comments lads, :-)) when i finally get round to the build i will post photos of the progress. Still a bit cold for working in the garage plus i am still ploding on with the Stevns Arctic plug.
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Every bit as precise as your Maltby :-)) get it marketed! Orion mouldings maybe? Did a cracking job of mine.
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This post is fantastic to see. I'm a short time viewer, first time poster on this forum. There are some interesting thoughts shared on whether on not to use a fibreglass plug, it's not something I have ever considered before!
I haven't made anything this big, although I am currently building a 1:9 scale Riva Aquarama, hope to put a post up soon. However working on the fringe of the offshore industry I have found the x-bow design fascinating and want to build one!
I see you have the plans for the ship, where did you find these? I have been scouring the internet for plans of a well intervention vessel or similar, but have yet to have much luck!
Great to see the hard work so far! Will follow with interest.
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This post is fantastic to see. I'm a short time viewer, first time poster on this forum. There are some interesting thoughts shared on whether on not to use a fibreglass plug, it's not something I have ever considered before!
I haven't made anything this big, although I am currently building a 1:9 scale Riva Aquarama, hope to put a post up soon. However working on the fringe of the offshore industry I have found the x-bow design fascinating and want to build one!
I see you have the plans for the ship, where did you find these? I have been scouring the internet for plans of a well intervention vessel or similar, but have yet to have much luck!
Great to see the hard work so far! Will follow with interest.
i don't have any hull lines, i did manage to get a small drawing showing the basic shape of the frames that i copied and enlarged.
there was quite a bit of trial and error during the build LOL
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Make it up as you go along.....another good plan. :}
Looking great so far though!
As I currently have a project in build, I want to develop something on CAD if I can. If I find anything I'll keep you posted.
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I don't have any hull lines, i did manage to get a small drawing showing the basic shape of the frames that i copied and enlarged.
there was quite a bit of trial and error during the build LOL
<:( I do have lines and was never satisfied with my first effort... so i made a new Plug .
I had to bin it in December as the cold air caused a major stick up in molding <:( <:(
We were one of the first to Market in the UK with X Bow. but at this rate we will be last to the market with the the ''right thing''. (If that's You Plan)
Others have copied us along the way... keep going .. race you :-))
If it Is Orion moldings GRP work you have a nice molding :-))
Regards,
Kim
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I've had a set of builders yard plans for the Ulstein PX 105 x bow for about 5 years. This was I believe was one of the first X Bow to come out of the yard, the ship was named Bourbon Mistral. On a pdf sheet they are 0A0 in size when printed ie very very big and a file so large it can't be emailed.
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Others have copied us along the way... keep going .. race you :-))
If it Is Orion moldings GRP work you have a nice molding :-))
Regards,
Kim
No race Kim, mine is done {-)
The GRP work is by Orion Mouldings he got the plug that i made, and produced the mould from it :-))
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No race Kim, mine is done {-)
Well done you!
All the best ,
Kim
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Hi all, finally managed to get a start on the Ulstein AX102. Rubbed the hull down with 400 trimmed the bulwarks and put a coat of primer on to show up any blemishes. Im quite pleased with the way she looks up to know.
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Not an X Bow matey but I thought you might be interested in this old photo!.....
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Not an X Bow matey but I thought you might be interested in this old photo!.....
I know her well Brian, my father worked on the tugs in Blyth when i was at school (many years ago LOL ) Chipchase belonged to
Blyth Harbour Commission if my memory serves me well. I have some photos of her when she capsized in the middle of the river.
I think she was put back into service after.
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Here she is Brian
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:-))
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As I mentioned earlier in another post, my son is building an X-bow bulk carrier from balsa, plasticard, (and P38). Will endeavour to post a photo of same, although not yet completed. Pete
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Hi all, I have had quite a few of my friends contacting me and asking why I had my x-bow hull up for sale after putting so much work into making the plug, so after some thought I have decided to continue with the build.
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As I mentioned earlier in another post, my son is building an X-bow bulk carrier from balsa, plasticard, (and P38). Will endeavour to post a photo of same, although not yet completed. Pete
It reminds me of the Xbow LNG carrier. :-)