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Title: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: T33cno on July 18, 2017, 06:40:09 PM
Looking for advice re alternative LiFe battery. The manual doesn't advise on the size that can be accommodated nor how many maH is necessary to replace the four AA Alkaline.


Comments?
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Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: slinger on July 18, 2017, 08:54:55 PM

I have both the Dragon force 65 and also the Dragonflyte 95 and run them using 5cell AAA battery packs from Component shop, which gives 6 volts the recommended max voltage?  For my larger yachts I use 5cell AA battery packs again 6 volts.  Only one member at our club uses 6.2 volt lipo batteries with no problems (he says) the others who have tried them kept getting blown servos


Slinger
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: T33cno on July 18, 2017, 09:21:09 PM
I have both the Dragon force 65 and also the Dragonflyte 95 and run them using 5cell AAA battery packs from Component shop, which gives 6 volts the recommended max voltage?  For my larger yachts I use 5cell AA battery packs again 6 volts.  Only one member at our club uses 6.2 volt lipo batteries with no problems (he says) the others who have tried them kept getting blown servos


Slinger


Thanks Slinger
The manual states the use of Lithium Ferrite battery packs as an alternative. To my knowledge there isn't a 6volt LiFe ?
There is nothing in the manual regarding battery voltage or sensitivity to anything appreciable over 6volts.


My club 500 uses the same rudder micro servo on 7.2 volts which is near 9 volts at end of charge.
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: T33cno on July 18, 2017, 09:36:16 PM
Interesting to note that the main dragonforce/flite seller also sells the 6.6 volt LiFe http://www.radiosailing.co.uk/batteries--chargers-113-c.asp
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: knoby on July 18, 2017, 09:53:53 PM
Everyone I know, including myself, have used life 2s 6.6 volt life batteries for years & have never had a problem. A 1000mah battery will last all day, although most change at lunch time just to be on the safe side when racing.
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: T33cno on July 18, 2017, 10:05:22 PM
Everyone I know, including myself, have used life 2s 6.6 volt life batteries for years & have never had a problem. A 1000mah battery will last all day, although most change at lunch time just to be on the safe side when racing.


Thank you that's what I needed to know  :-))
Good practice to change to stave off over discharge and prolong lifespan. I've just ordered a second  :-)
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: malcolmfrary on July 18, 2017, 10:14:05 PM
If the new battery physically fits in the space available it will weigh less.  Its just a case of finding the most capacity for a pack that will fit the same physical space, and if there is a choice, getting the highest capacity.  Since claims of battery specs change rapidly, the boat manufacturers can't allow for that in their printed instructions which will have to last a long time.  So just look for the biggest mAH figure that will fit in the space available.
I would be very wary about using LiPo - the semiconductor specs that I have read for the ICs used in servos usually quote a top voltage of 7.5 volts.  Hooking them to a source that can charge to more than that and deliver a lot of current is likely to reduce their life expectancy.  I don't know what LiFe charge up to, but it should remain in the relatively safe zone.  Running servos on a higher voltage causes them to give more power - the downside is that if they have to work harder, like if a rudder catches on something, the higher spec battery might be able to deliver enough power for the servo to damage itself.
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: T33cno on July 18, 2017, 10:17:41 PM

Thanks Malcolm
The LiFe is sited in an alternative position to save removing the main hatch. The battery I bought fits the hole comfortably and velcro is provided for fixing.


V6 Manual.......page 15
https://df65racing.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/df65-v6-rigging-instructions.pdf (https://df65racing.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/df65-v6-rigging-instructions.pdf)
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: T33cno on July 18, 2017, 10:31:09 PM
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Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: T33cno on July 18, 2017, 10:33:32 PM
I'd read somewhere before buying this yacht that it only required a couple of hours assembly  {-) ;D
Allow six  :-))  if you're a rigging virgin like me
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Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: ChrisF on July 19, 2017, 08:02:23 PM
Absolutely!

I've recently bought a Hydropro Infinity 65 as my first RC yacht and it took me days!

Fortunately my experienced neighbour, who had bought one and recommended it, also passed on some tips and rigging it etc.

I've sailed his but am itching to give mine a go and do some racing, nothing too serious though.


As regards batteries my neighbour has fitted a sealed pack but for the time being I've just used Ansmann  2500mAh  NiMH AA batteries which whilst less than the 6 volts of disposable batteries should be fine for this purpose though of course more fiddly for recharging than a pack.
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: spearfish99 on July 20, 2017, 05:06:47 PM
Absolutely!

I've recently bought a Hydropro Infinity 65 as my first RC yacht and it took me days!

Fortunately my experienced neighbour, who had bought one and recommended it, also passed on some tips and rigging it etc.

I've sailed his but am itching to give mine a go and do some racing, nothing too serious though.


As regards batteries my neighbour has fitted a sealed pack but for the time being I've just used Ansmann  2500mAh  NiMH AA batteries which whilst less than the 6 volts of disposable batteries should be fine for this purpose though of course more fiddly for recharging than a pack.

   I have had an Affinity for several months now, so nice to know that there is someone else there with one!  I have been sailing that and my DF 95 with 2600mAh Nimh AA battery packs. On one of those, they will virtually sail all day with no problems and with easy recharging. I know some people are a little wary of LiPo or LiFe cells. 

It is worth pointing out that while virtually everything on the Infinity is identical and interchangeable with the Dragon Force 65, the hull is different and doesn't have the separate small battery hatch beside the mast so the battery has to go through the main hatch. To make this easier and more waterproof , I obtained a moulded plastic hatch cover from Craig Huzway at Breaking Wind boats in Washington DC.    http://www.freewebs.com/breakingwindboats/DF%20Rig/Affinity%20Hatch.jpg
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: T33cno on July 20, 2017, 06:39:43 PM
Battery fits perfect in either position  :-))  Just fitted an orange DSMX receiver for under 13 . Now waiting for another TX and I'll be sailing on Sunday  8)
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Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: T33cno on July 20, 2017, 07:12:19 PM
EDIT
Actually tidier face down  :-))
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Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: T33cno on July 20, 2017, 07:24:51 PM
Attached with the velcro supplied by Joysway
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Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 or others........sail numbers/letters
Post by: T33cno on July 20, 2017, 08:59:07 PM
As a complete novice what's the score with sail identification numbers
Who decides on them and where from etc?
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: T33cno on July 20, 2017, 09:04:00 PM
I think I found the source so just who decides the numbers? is it club based or national  %)


https://sochsails.co.uk/sail-numbers/
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: ChrisF on July 20, 2017, 09:07:20 PM
   I have had an Affinity for several months now, so nice to know that there is someone else there with one!  I have been sailing that and my DF 95 with 2600mAh Nimh AA battery packs. On one of those, they will virtually sail all day with no problems and with easy recharging. I know some people are a little wary of LiPo or LiFe cells. 

It is worth pointing out that while virtually everything on the Infinity is identical and interchangeable with the Dragon Force 65, the hull is different and doesn't have the separate small battery hatch beside the mast so the battery has to go through the main hatch. To make this easier and more waterproof , I obtained a moulded plastic hatch cover from Craig Huzway at Breaking Wind boats in Washington DC.    http://www.freewebs.com/breakingwindboats/DF%20Rig/Affinity%20Hatch.jpg (http://www.freewebs.com/breakingwindboats/DF%20Rig/Affinity%20Hatch.jpg)


I've joined Knightcote recently and there is a few Affinities there and enjoying racing with the DF65s etc.


One thing I found when rigging was that the bowsies are very fiddly to install and adjust - those for the DF look better quality so I will change to those over time.


I've been reading about hatches on the rcgroups web-site and was hoping that there was a supplier/manufacturer closer to home. Appears not, so will order from breakingwind.


Sorry to the OP for going off on a tangent.
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: ChrisF on July 20, 2017, 09:13:11 PM
I think I found the source so just who decides the numbers? is it club based or national  %)


https://sochsails.co.uk/sail-numbers/ (https://sochsails.co.uk/sail-numbers/)


I suppose it depends at what level? At Knightcote for instance I believe you use your membership number. Makes sense as that would avoid duplicates.


For nationals etc. I guess you would be issued with a number?
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: T33cno on July 20, 2017, 09:14:33 PM
Thanks Chris and no apologies please, all info is good  :-))


Also these may be of interest ?
https://soch-sails.myshopify.com/collections/deck-patches/products/copy-of-df65-a-suit
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: ChrisF on July 20, 2017, 09:29:09 PM
Thanks Andy - the patches for the eyelets may be useful though so far reports say that the Infinity doesn't seem to have the same water ingress around them as the Dragon Force.

Good, cheaper source for the hatch patches but the moulded ones are a better solution for what is the only criticism of the Affinity and DF boats.
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: spearfish99 on July 20, 2017, 09:30:14 PM

I suppose it depends at what level? At Knightcote for instance I believe you use your membership number. Makes sense as that would avoid duplicates.


For nationals etc. I guess you would be issued with a number?

You apply for your national RG65 class number ( as Affinity and DF65 are both this class as well as being one designs) from RG65 UK Class Association.

 http://www.rg65.org.uk/
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: knoby on July 20, 2017, 09:36:26 PM
The DF 65 register is separate from the RG65 register.
 https://dfracinguk.com/class-documents/register-your-dragonforce-65/
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: T33cno on July 20, 2017, 09:38:01 PM
Thank you all  :-)
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: spearfish99 on July 20, 2017, 09:40:23 PM
One thing I found when rigging was that the bowsies are very fiddly to install and adjust - those for the DF look better quality so I will change to those over time.

  The threading of the bowsies in the Affinity manual is wrong in that they show going through all three holes before attaching to rings etc then back through the third hole yet again.  if you try this it is almost impossible to get them to adjust easily.  The chord should go through 2 holes , around ring or whatever then back to the 3rd hole and made off.  Also raid the wife's sewing basket and borrow a needle threader off of her, it helps a lot
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: ChrisF on July 20, 2017, 09:55:31 PM
Thanks for the info. spearfish.

Mine are wrong but I'm going to leave them for the time being until I've had a play! I've got them pretty well adjusted at the moment but they would be almost impossible to adjust at the pondside.

I'll rig the larger sails at some point, replace the bowsies with better quality and thread them properly.

I did indeed raid my wife's sewing basket as it would have been virtually impossible to get the cord through, especially the three through the fitting above the top of the jib.


I certainly hope to rig up the next set of sails more quickly. Bloke sized fingers certainly don't help and only having two hands isn't enough. My wife had to be pressganged a couple of times!
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: T33cno on July 20, 2017, 09:57:15 PM
The new version 6 bowsies are spot on  :-))
http://www.radiosailing.co.uk/df65--df95---bowsie-pack-of-10-new-design-827-p.asp
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: spearfish99 on July 20, 2017, 10:06:49 PM
Just out of interest to the Affinity sailors who read about  the moulded hatch covers from the USA. I was talking to Craig Huzway , of Breaking Wind Boats who moulds them , last week and he is discontinuing them due to low uptake. 

They are a bit pricy to get in the UK due to the postage on an individual basis. He offered to sell me the last batch of 20 at a reasonable price to maximise postage.  If I took him up on his offer, would anybody be interested?. Reckon they would work out at about 5 or so posted to UK addresses.
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: ChrisF on July 20, 2017, 10:10:58 PM
Andy, thanks for the link.


Neighbour and myself were initially looking at the DF V6 but didn't really want to wait until available.

And the Infinity was such a good price it was silly not too really! Obviously there are some savings like the bowsies but the basics are very good.

I only bought it for summer fun and fun club racing for which it is ideal.
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: T33cno on July 20, 2017, 10:13:16 PM
Mine was 169 delivered and I cannot fault anything with it  :-))  it has gone through so much trouble to get to the current quality
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: spearfish99 on July 20, 2017, 10:16:47 PM
Andy, thanks for the link.


Neighbour and myself were initially looking at the DF V6 but didn't really want to wait until available.

And the Infinity was such a good price it was silly not too really! Obviously there are some savings like the bowsies but the basics are very good.

I only bought it for summer fun and fun club racing for which it is ideal.

  They are such good value that I bought a second one last week (last one that Hobbyking had in stock)  If nothing else it will be a cheap source of parts,  but I intend leaving the first one stock and then having a play with the second within the RG65 rules proper.  At 80 delivered it won't owe me much!
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: ChrisF on July 20, 2017, 10:18:16 PM
Just out of interest to the Affinity sailors who read about  the moulded hatch covers from the USA. I was talking to Craig Huzway , of Breaking Wind Boats who moulds them , last week and he is discontinuing them due to low uptake. 

They are a bit pricy to get in the UK due to the postage on an individual basis. He offered to sell me the last batch of 20 at a reasonable price to maximise postage.  If I took him up on his offer, would anybody be interested?. Reckon they would work out at about 5 or so posted to UK addresses.


Funnily enough I was thinking about a bulk buy!


So that would be great and certainly count me in. Put me down for at least 4 so I can give a couple to my neighbour.
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: T33cno on July 20, 2017, 10:21:17 PM
That's a great idea  :-))


This introduction by John from Yorkshire swayed me to buy the V6
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2QmGqap1dbE
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: ChrisF on July 20, 2017, 10:25:02 PM
  They are such good value that I bought a second one last week (last one that Hobbyking had in stock)  If nothing else it will be a cheap source of parts,  but I intend leaving the first one stock and then having a play with the second within the RG65 rules proper.  At 80 delivered it won't owe me much!


Can't remember how much I paid but it wasn't much more than that. My neighbour informed me of the great price which was less than he paid.


As you say a great source of parts.
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: spearfish99 on July 20, 2017, 10:47:06 PM
  As a first move, I have made up a mast and rig so that I can try out a high aspect rg65 sail suit. The Affinity A suit is , I believe, nearly the max sail area allowed but fairly low aspect.  The reservoir that we have use of ,courtesy of the local sailing club, has rather patchy winds in the corner we are allocated. It will be interesting to see if it sails any better with the new rig. Just have to await delivery of the sails.
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: spearfish99 on July 21, 2017, 10:00:24 AM
Bit off the original subject, but both DF65 owners and Affinity sailors may find this useful.  It makes keeping the sails rigs tidy and uncreased.   I have a couple and they are really well made and good value.



https://hobbyking.com/en_us/sail-boat-bag.html
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: spearfish99 on July 21, 2017, 12:25:55 PM
Any UK Affinity sailors may be interested in this Facebook page.  Currently mainly Dutch members but a friendly lot!


  https://www.facebook.com/groups/700480990128447/
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: T33cno on July 21, 2017, 08:40:29 PM
Thanks Spearfish  :-))


I'm ready to go now, just deck patches and fresh battery  8)
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Ebay used receiver turned out less than "cherished" as advertised. Screen quite scratched, firmware two updates behind the times.
sticking scroll wheel and screwdriver pry marks around the battery compartment cover. Seems as though he did not realise you can charge the battery without removing it.
Very close to short circuiting
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I've managed to repair the wires and update the firmware. A bit of tweaking also cured the sticking scroller. So just left with poor cosmetics but working order.
Spektrum seem to think INFACT they say that only the latest firmware update is necessary. WRONG! this failed to update several times but installing the previous update first enabled the latest version. I hope this helps other users
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 rigging photos
Post by: T33cno on July 21, 2017, 08:56:24 PM
Perhaps help new builders like I was? The instructions are very good but I think pictures iron out doubt.
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Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: T33cno on July 21, 2017, 09:21:46 PM
Anyone know why there is an unused deck eye?
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: ChrisF on July 21, 2017, 09:39:12 PM
Interesting seeing the little differences between the DF and the Infinity.

Instructions for the Infinity show the sheet for the maintain going through one of the eyelets along the side of the hull. On the recommendation of my neighbour I've run it as shown on your DF which has an extra eyelet nearer the centre of the hull.

Are those rubber bungs around the eyelets to stop the water ingress problems on tne earlier versions?
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: T33cno on July 21, 2017, 09:40:53 PM
Interesting seeing the little differences between the DF and the Infinity.

Instructions for the Infinity show the sheet for the maintain going through one of the eyelets along the side of the hull. On the recommendation of my neighbour I've run it as shown on your DF which has an extra eyelet nearer the centre of the hull.

Are those rubber bungs around the eyelets to stop the water ingress problems on tne earlier versions?


I believe so? but the John Tushingham video reveals all (posted earlier)


Edit apparently the bungs are due to the eyes being so close to the deck edge as a means of reinforcement
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: ChrisF on July 21, 2017, 09:41:16 PM
Anyone know why there is an unused deck eye?


A number of unused ones on mine! :)


Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: T33cno on July 21, 2017, 10:00:24 PM

A number of unused ones on mine! :)


I'm relieved that on the Tushingham video the eye is also unused  8) {-)
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: T33cno on July 22, 2017, 09:50:54 AM
A point to note going back to original topic.
My SkyRC charger tops the LiFe battery out at 7.19 volts  :-))
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: T33cno on July 22, 2017, 12:08:48 PM
I got these deck patches that don't cover the whole hatch so I can check on things. From Soch sails.
I hoped to launch it today but who'd believe it? no wind lol


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Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: ChrisF on July 22, 2017, 01:15:00 PM
Just finished checking all my knots etc. and put the receiver in a plastic bag so all ready to go.

At least with the Infinity the wider beam gives you more room but it's still tight in there. Good job with the DF that the battery goes by the mast.

Hopefully get out tomorrow or Monday but it's the opposite here at the moment, windy and threatening sky.
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: T33cno on July 22, 2017, 02:07:40 PM
Have you applied superglue to your knots?
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: ChrisF on July 22, 2017, 02:50:43 PM
No, though I know it's an option. I've used tape on some and strong thread on  others to secure them.

Just realised, looking at my boat, that I've kept calling it an Infinity! Getting confused with the car!
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: T33cno on July 22, 2017, 03:20:33 PM
No, though I know it's an option. I've used tape on some and strong thread on  others to secure them.

Just realised, looking at my boat, that I've kept calling it an Infinity! Getting confused with the car!


We know what you were talking about  ok2
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: spearfish99 on July 22, 2017, 03:47:20 PM
No, though I know it's an option. I've used tape on some and strong thread on  others to secure them.

Just realised, looking at my boat, that I've kept calling it an Infinity! Getting confused with the car!

   It really is worth putting a tiny dab of superglue on each knot
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: T33cno on July 22, 2017, 03:54:14 PM
   It really is worth putting a tiny dab of superglue on each knot


AND when set it enables the frayed ends to be snipped off leaving it nice and clean  :-))
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: ChrisF on July 22, 2017, 05:37:11 PM
Will do but I'll replace the bowsies first.
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: spearfish99 on July 22, 2017, 06:02:29 PM
Quite a handy bit of kit for trimming rigging thread are braid scissors from a fishing tackle shop . Either that or a very sharp scalpel blade.
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: T33cno on July 22, 2017, 06:28:24 PM
No wind tomorrow either  <:(
http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2656168?day=3

Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: T33cno on July 22, 2017, 08:08:59 PM
No wind tomorrow either  <:(
http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2656168?day=3 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2656168?day=3)


Managed to find a set of A+ sails in stock  :-))


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbMfM5NHqSM
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: Netleyned on July 22, 2017, 09:57:49 PM
Thin cyano wicks down the thread and can give a
rigid end to the line


Thick may be OK but I use a small dab
of nail varnish on the knot .
All my yachts have this treatment




Ned
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: T33cno on July 23, 2017, 04:19:02 PM
My yacht is now registered with DF65 and RG65 so I have my sail numbers  :-))


Point to note A+ sails are not allowed in RG65 events


A bit of video with A sails today after everyone left because of no wind
https://www.facebook.com/Techno100/videos/10155453323462593/
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: spearfish99 on July 23, 2017, 06:39:24 PM
Same number or two different sets ?
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: ChrisF on July 23, 2017, 07:05:57 PM
Despite variable wind conditions, sometimes when there was virtually none, just got back from an enjoyable afternoon sailng the Affinity for the first time and was very pleased with it.

Was only going to stop for a couple of hours but two other guys turned up with sailing boats and we were there for over 5 hours having impromptu races.

In light winds the boat went well enough but as the water level is about 18" below the banks I could do with fitting the bigger sails.   
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: spearfish99 on July 23, 2017, 07:19:32 PM
On the Affinity, I have decided to try the same and have ordered a set of high aspect sails from Catsails.  I had a spare main boom , jib boom and mast top bits bought with another project in mind and with a couple of bits of 7mm carbon fibre tube from the local model shop, now have a near max height mast set waiting for the sails.
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: T33cno on July 23, 2017, 07:21:12 PM
Same number or two different sets ?


Registering with DF automatically registers with RG so same number  :-))


EDIT. FYI
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Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: spearfish99 on July 23, 2017, 07:38:45 PM
When I registered my Affinity with the RG65 site, I got the number 1045. Having bought the second one, when I registered it, I asked for a number ending in 45 to allow cross usage of sails, so I now have 1345 as well.
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: ChrisF on July 23, 2017, 09:55:21 PM
Might be a daft question but if you have two boats the same why can't you just register the once?

Having said that I guess you might want to take both boats to a race?

To me it would make more sense to register the skipper rather than the boats?

Also I can't see why, if you sell the boat, the registration goes with it. It's not as if each boat has a unique identifying number like a full sized boat or a car etc.
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: spearfish99 on July 23, 2017, 10:03:41 PM
Might be a daft question but if you have two boats the same why can't you just register the once?

Having said that I guess you might want to take both boats to a race?

To me it would make more sense to register the skipper rather than the boats?

Also I can't see why, if you sell the boat, the registration goes with it. It's not as if each boat has a unique identifying number like a full sized boat or a car etc.

  Actually it does, in the sense that once you have your number, it is supposed to be displayed on the boat. From confirmation of your Rg65 number "The issued number is the boat registration number and should be permanently recorded on the inside of the hull as well as on the outside of the hull"

 I think that this is common to most classes of model yachts in the UK. Probably much more pertinent to those classes of yacht which have to be officially measured and certified, like my 6 meter for instance. With a "self certified" class like the RG65, perhaps not
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: T33cno on July 24, 2017, 12:39:52 PM
Maybe for you lads?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/162590838799
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: spearfish99 on July 24, 2017, 05:05:41 PM
Maybe for you lads?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/162590838799

  Thanks for that. The joy of the Affinity is that the kit includes 2 sets of masts, booms and sails ( A & B suits) within the box.
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: T33cno on July 24, 2017, 06:34:27 PM
A little test of wind thingy
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-qW4LSnW/0/945740b9/XL/IMG_1835-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: ChrisF on July 24, 2017, 07:25:29 PM
That's neat, better than a bit of ribbon.

Did you make it or buy it?
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: T33cno on July 24, 2017, 07:30:37 PM
Made it. Seems to work but only a sea trial will tell
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: ChrisF on July 24, 2017, 07:47:03 PM
  Actually it does, in the sense that once you have your number, it is supposed to be displayed on the boat. From confirmation of your Rg65 number "The issued number is the boat registration number and should be permanently recorded on the inside of the hull as well as on the outside of the hull"

 I think that this is common to most classes of model yachts in the UK. Probably much more pertinent to those classes of yacht which have to be officially measured and certified, like my 6 meter for instance. With a "self certified" class like the RG65, perhaps not


Thanks for the information. Just for fun club racing I was thinking of getting two identical boats but with different sized sails so that I didn't need to bother changing sails.
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: T33cno on July 24, 2017, 09:23:03 PM
A bit of video, wind blowing from left  8)
https://www.facebook.com/Techno100/videos/10155458170022593/
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: spearfish99 on July 24, 2017, 09:27:26 PM

Thanks for the information. Just for fun club racing I was thinking of getting two identical boats but with different sized sails so that I didn't need to bother changing sails.

    Why not. Things within clubs are usually much more easy going. For example, last Saturday my club ran one of its Wee Nip series of races. Two members turned up with two complete boats ( each boat actually has their own class number) . They both began sailing a boat each but when two other members boats went u/s during the 15 races, they lent their second boats to those members so that they could continue sailing. Probably not the sort of thing that would be allowed in regional or national type racing.
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 Mylar sails and CREASES
Post by: T33cno on July 26, 2017, 06:27:16 PM
I've just received two sets of sails and both have creases despite being factory packaged, rolled up in boxes. This can only have been done by JOYSWAY  >>:-(


Question
Is there a way to remove them?
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: rnli12 on July 27, 2017, 06:40:57 AM
Hi,

Damp tea towel and a low temp iron should help, just be careful of the heat so try a sample first.

Regards,

Rich
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: T33cno on July 27, 2017, 10:11:30 AM
Thanks Rich


I'm also extremely miffed to put it mildly that the extra mast sets don't include the two essential bridle rings and if you were to use their rigging cord there is nowhere near enough
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 A+ rig
Post by: T33cno on July 29, 2017, 11:32:40 AM
A+ rig ready to go tomorrow
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-NhT3Xn8/1/41d4c873/X2/IMG_1860-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: ChrisF on July 29, 2017, 03:03:27 PM
Let us know how you get on.

Did you get the creases out of the sails OK?

Keep wondering whether to get a DF, now that they do it in white in the latest version or get another Affinity. I do like the Affinity with it's greater beam and only one hatch but I suppose it would be nice to have one of each.
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: T33cno on July 29, 2017, 03:17:31 PM
I just went over the creases with thumb nail, seem OK


WirelessMadness were cheapest but now on backorder until September.
10 off code = 10OFFWM150


still stock of ready to run tho which would be 209 delivered
https://www.wirelessmadness.com/rc-boats/rc-electric-boats/joysway-dragon-force-65-v6-rc-yacht-with-2-4ghz-transmitter-ready-to-run-js-8815
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 B rig
Post by: T33cno on July 29, 2017, 04:05:38 PM
B rig
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-v7hVN4q/1/f40796aa/X2/IMG_1862-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: T33cno on July 29, 2017, 04:37:20 PM
Iphone wind App  :-))


A+ rig back on, in the 2 to 3 knots zone  :-)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-97cDhVZ/0/f2e1b004/X2/IMG_1864-X2.png)
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: spearfish99 on July 29, 2017, 08:04:35 PM
Keep wondering whether to get a DF, now that they do it in white in the latest version or get another Affinity. I do like the Affinity with it's greater beam and only one hatch but I suppose it would be nice to have one of each.

   Probably have more opportunity away from home of sailing against like boats with a DF. That is unless those organising DF races are prepared to include Affinity's. Think either would be properly outclassed by true RG65's
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: ChrisF on July 30, 2017, 12:15:39 PM
Can't really see myself doing anything other than just local club races for fun.

Like many of us I have other interests so purely from a time point of view it won't happen.

Thoughts were to get another Affinity and fitting larger sails (smallest on the one I have now) but thinking about it for lighter winds a DF with it's narrower beam might be a better bet? Not that the beam seems to be making much difference in comparisons.

Yes, sounds good for me :) as it's all about the interest and fun rather than true competitive sailing for me.
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: spearfish99 on July 30, 2017, 01:07:33 PM
Looking at Hobbyking's sites, the Affinity is out of stock all over. Looks like the second one I bought was about the last around. A DF would be easier to get hold of at present, if somewhat more expensive. As the DF also has the A+ suit readily available, it would be a way forward.  I am looking forward to getting my high aspect sails from Catsails to give the Affinity a try in that format.

  My club, or at least some members, are rather race orientated, so you have to go along with it to some degree. The club is showing renewed interest in RG65 , rather than Df65,  having been one of the earliest clubs in the UK to run races for them ( so I am told).  Craig Huzway, he of the Affinity hatches, moulds RG65s;  perhaps I will have to see what he has when I go to the USA in September and try and smuggle one back in!   :-)
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: ChrisF on July 30, 2017, 02:50:59 PM
Ironic really, bought an Affinity because couldn't get/didn't want to wait for the DF V6 annd now it's the other way round!

So, decision made really. Though from a previous post I see that unless you want RTR , which I don't, then they are on back order.
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: T33cno on July 30, 2017, 03:13:26 PM
It's not on back order everywhere
http://www.radiosailing.co.uk/dragonforce-65-v6-artr-with-a-part-complete-rig--sails---no-radio-1039-p.asp
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: spearfish99 on August 03, 2017, 10:52:41 PM
As mentioned in this mixed thread before, it looks like I will soon have a number of moulded hatches for the Affinity .  It looks like I will get 15, most of them clear, but some in white.  At the cost from Craig in Washington DC,  and presuming GB customs don't go duty mad,  the cost would work out at 5 each posted in the UK.  Anyone interested ( got you Chris.)   please express an interest.
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: ChrisF on August 03, 2017, 11:12:20 PM
That's great.

Funnily enough my neighbour mentioned last week about ordering some - I said watch this space!

Chris
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 braided cord scissors
Post by: T33cno on August 04, 2017, 12:38:18 PM
I bought some braided cord scissors only to find that they don't cut cleanly. The alternative pair I've bought marketed by Ripmax with short blades and deep serrations cut perfectly. At 7.99 delivered they are pricey (relatively) but no point buying 3 ones that don't work. :-))
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: spearfish99 on August 04, 2017, 01:51:00 PM
 I bought my braid shears in a tackle shop while on holiday in Whitby. They weren't to pricey but the owner did say that with all scissors, braid soon takes the edge off them.  Most of the time I use a fresh scalpel blade in a metal holder and this snicks the braid nicely.  The secret is to change the blade reasonably frequently. I buy a bulk pack of unsterilized ( cheaper) blades off of Ebay.
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: T33cno on August 04, 2017, 02:05:38 PM
These work great because the cutting edge is only 25mm long so no flex and serrations ensure whole cord is captive
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-XTDgjc8/0/38dc0211/X3/IMG_1886-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: Netleyned on August 04, 2017, 05:15:47 PM
A smidgen of cyano on the cut will wick about 1/4 in
either side of the cutting point.
When dry cutting is 'simples'
and you don't have any fraying
Ned
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: T33cno on August 04, 2017, 05:19:47 PM
A smidgen of cyano on the cut will wick about 1/4 in
either side of the cutting point.
When dry cutting is 'simples'
and you don't have any fraying
Ned


The previous scissors still struggled through dried cyano. The Ripmax ones cut OK with or without.


Ones to AVOID
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mustad-Fishing-Stainless-Steel-Braid-Line-Scissors-Leeda/361374331430?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 A+ rig assembly instructions
Post by: T33cno on August 04, 2017, 05:24:58 PM
Courtesy of Dragonforce dot net


https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1075/6524/files/Chucks_DF65_A_Assembly_Guide_9ccb2af1-51a0-42ac-abbc-7aa7b032ec87.pdf?259773956959816011
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: malcolmfrary on August 05, 2017, 09:40:34 AM
For rigging snipping I use the scissors that live in a Swiss Army Credit Card.  Does a good job with or without the cyano, the cyano'd end makes threading so much easier, either through holes or tying.  It is most of my poolside toolkit - if I need more I should have done better before leaving home, so not having too much at the pool is an incentive to get it right.
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: spearfish99 on August 07, 2017, 05:12:00 PM
Affinity hatches now in the post, on the way from the USA
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: ChrisF on August 07, 2017, 06:56:38 PM
Good news Ian.

Thanks for your efforts in obtaining them.

Chris
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 Custom detailing
Post by: T33cno on August 11, 2017, 05:45:30 PM
I've now sealed the keel/fin trunk and started ordering a stock of spares.


Just fitting some customising


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Dragonforce-DF65-V6/i-sZxSPWG/0/2e3ae48d/X2/IMG_1907-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Dragonforce-DF65-V6/i-2SPdGdm/0/3aa268ed/X2/IMG_1910-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: T33cno on August 11, 2017, 07:05:22 PM
 :-)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Dragonforce-DF65-V6/i-KfpQS6K/0/1cb9dd2d/X3/IMG_1912-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: ChrisF on August 11, 2017, 07:09:57 PM
Looking good.

What's the reason for sealing the keel/fin trunk, does it let water into the hull?

Chris
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: T33cno on August 11, 2017, 07:16:29 PM
No but it fills with water


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3ApTVXstEE
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: ChrisF on August 11, 2017, 07:16:49 PM
As regards my Affinity I've been doing a bit of sail tuning to get the mainsail a bit tighter and remove a line of tension from the lowest luff ring to the far bottom corner.

Hopefully Monday is a decent day to try it out.

Ordered the better DF bowsies and a few other spares.
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: ChrisF on August 11, 2017, 07:32:47 PM
No but it fills with water


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3ApTVXstEE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3ApTVXstEE)


Thanks. Another tweak!
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: T33cno on August 11, 2017, 07:36:25 PM
It cannot be emphasised enough NOT to over tighten the screws on reassembly. Consequences are the hull develops cracks.
However no one says how tight is tight  {-)
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: spearfish99 on August 11, 2017, 10:54:12 PM
No but it fills with water


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3ApTVXstEE

   I have seen no sign of my Affinity keel fin/trunk taking on water and am happy to leave well alone until it does
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: T33cno on August 11, 2017, 10:55:51 PM
It's not necessarily evident certainly my DF showed no external evidence but it was full
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: spearfish99 on August 13, 2017, 10:24:14 AM
Spent yesterday officiating at the RG65/DF65 Travellers Series 6 races at the lovely Furzton Lake , Milton Keynes.  Field of 21 sailors, 4 of them being DF65's.   Brings home to you just how much faster the "proper" RG65 designs are over the DF's and I would assume the Affinity.  That said, the DF's sailed well and enjoyed racing against each other but the carbon fibre skinny design RG's with swing rigs do sail so fast.

 Interestingly, one lady skipper sailing her DF was struggling a bit as she hadn't experienced similar conditions before, until one of my club members (also officiating) suggested that she change down to a B suit, when the boat sailed much smoother. Although it wasn't overpowered in the A suit, it just seemed much nicer to sail and she seemed much happier
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: ChrisF on August 13, 2017, 11:16:47 AM
Yes, that's why I'm just doing the fun racing at my local club. Don't really want to get into the really competitive stuff with carbon fibre etc.

I've got the B suit on my Affinity and I'm happy to leave it on even though I'm left behind sometimes. Trouble is at our club the wind is very inconsistent and often gusty in places so it's difficult to choose an ideal suit.

Chris
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: T33cno on August 13, 2017, 02:52:14 PM
No wind
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Dragonforce-DF65-V6/i-sBxwHCN/0/8340b73a/X2/IMG_1915-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: spearfish99 on August 16, 2017, 12:25:57 PM
   The Affinity hatches have finally arrived.  Took 8 days to travel from DC to Newark, NY to clear US.  once landed took Royal Mail one day to deliver and no added customs handling fee.

  Thanks to Craig Huzway for the hatches, now just have to sort of who wants what
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: spearfish99 on August 19, 2017, 12:58:43 PM
Despite variable wind conditions, sometimes when there was virtually none, just got back from an enjoyable afternoon sailng the Affinity for the first time and was very pleased with it.

In light winds the boat went well enough but as the water level is about 18" below the banks I could do with fitting the bigger sails.   

 As mentioned previously, I ordered a high aspect A suit from Catsails , which arrived this morning. Interestingly in the package, you get a diagram with all the dimensions of the sails AND the correct area already calculated.  Comes to 2249.01 square cm, so just inside the max. So glad that I didn't have to get the calculator out and do the maths.   Now just need to fine tune the mast and booms to the sails.
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 sail winch servo
Post by: T33cno on August 19, 2017, 05:45:10 PM
What are your thoughts on the cost of spare parts? I think most are reasonable but the sail winch servo is targeting 26  >:-o
That is simply robbery just because you have to use one from joysway dragon force suppliers to comply with class rules.
I have found the identical servo albeit with a different drum but you can use your old one for under 8 delivered from China and most likely from the same factory.


I joined the facebook DF65 group but they keep deleting my posts  {-)  I wonder why
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: T33cno on August 19, 2017, 06:00:32 PM
Even component shop are only just over 14 delivered for same specification
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sail-Winch-Servo-45g-plastic-gears-6-13kg-torque-1-5-Turns-travel-/360784883026?epid=684083855&hash=item5400746d52:g:xvoAAOSwTM5Y2QHa
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: spearfish99 on August 27, 2017, 04:44:24 PM
Affinity now has its new high aspect A suit from Catsails.  Pretty much same area as the kit A suit, just in a different place.  Max height mast fitted to cope
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: ChrisF on August 27, 2017, 11:17:52 PM
Wow, that looks very tall. I think I'd struggle to get that in the car without de-rigging.

Even my neighbour's with the A suit fitted looks tall so I'm sticking with the B suit.

Looks like you have painted and fitted one of the hatch covers to match the sails there?
Title: Re: Dragonforce 65 V6 battery options
Post by: spearfish99 on August 27, 2017, 11:38:47 PM
Hi Chris,

 It is quite tall. I may get it in the car as is, if not it is pretty quick rigging job.   I have been using one of Craig's hatches for about the last year. The yellow you can see is a deck patch over the hatch. Belt and braces !   I may change the arrangement now that I have a clear hatch available