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Title: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on July 27, 2017, 05:21:45 pm
So there it is my next building blog!!! Hope you'll like it as the other two blogs.
The hull I build is basically the one from "Princesse Loane" fishtrawler from brittany. I downloaded the plans some time ago and a friend of mine printed it out with his plotter as a gift. But I will at least have three times the sections of the plan like it would be in a real ship. I build it as a wooden hull and not as a steel hull. I'd like to include all steel nails in the planks. The wheelhouse and fishing equipment will be a mix of italian elegance and the rugged equipment for fishing on the atlantic ocean.
 
She will be named "MADY JEANNE" in honor of my mom who died in 2015...

(http://i.imgur.com/o7I3PnO.jpg)

So today I started to made the neccessary changement on the keel. Yes it looks like a castle but actually I've seen it in a video from a werft in brittany.
I will made the keel out of oak. The red lines show the actual position of the sections. Sections will be 12mm thick spaced 12mm apart. This will result in a ultraheavy hull. Maybe I will leave out every other section ... we'll see.

(http://i.imgur.com/qGrefDY.jpg)

So thats all for the moment. Hope it wont take so much time to finish it like the N. Loradana ....
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Big Ada on July 27, 2017, 07:18:37 pm
Looking forward to this Build, will it be a Static or are you going to make it Work?.

Regards,

Len.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on July 27, 2017, 07:59:50 pm
Len .... it will be made to withstand the roughest seas on the lake. I'd like to have a safe plattform to put the GoPro camera on and attack these big waves!!!!
... and I will add some features ...
Fwd/Rev
L/R Rudder
Lights
Waterpump
Enginesound
Netwinches/Trawldoors (maybe?)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Capt Podge on July 27, 2017, 09:13:35 pm
Well, you certainly do pick some interesting boats to model and I'm sure this one will be a winner too. :-)

Good luck with the build Danielle. :-))

Regards,

Ray.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: MikeK on July 28, 2017, 08:07:15 am
Well, you certainly do pick some interesting boats to model and I'm sure this one will be a winner too. :-)

Good luck with the build Danielle. :-))

Regards,

Ray.

Second that !  O0 :-))

Mike
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on July 28, 2017, 08:09:01 pm
Thanks a lot Ray and Mike!  :-)) :-)) :-))

I have some 5-6 plans of fishing boats from brittany!
Ordered them online at the following online shop https://librairie-hussard.com/catalog/chalutiers-thoniers-c-142_30054_50033.html?language=en&sort=99&page=2&osCsid=54d3cb43339e8b1f456e54840243720b (https://librairie-hussard.com/catalog/chalutiers-thoniers-c-142_30054_50033.html?language=en&sort=99&page=2&osCsid=54d3cb43339e8b1f456e54840243720b)

Today I just made one part. Its the upper part of the keel/bow.
Its made of oak just as the real thing!
First I had to transfer the drawing to the oak profile. The part is 16mm (2pcs of 8mm) and heavy. I will go to our local woodstore next week and ask if they have planks of oak. I need 6 and 8mm thickness.

(http://i.imgur.com/50i6RiF.jpg)

I need two parts .... each 8mm thick who will be glued together.

(http://i.imgur.com/nsXbaNK.jpg)

Drilled some holes for the wooden dowels used to make everything more stable.

(http://i.imgur.com/C4jjQ1f.jpg)

Then its time to glue the two parts together and to hammer in the dowels. Used clamps to held it together tightly. Then after a set time of 10 mins (I use Ponal Express white glue) I started to sand the part and to correct some slight misalignments.

And the finished part looks very nice!

(http://i.imgur.com/1FI0UrT.jpg)

Here a keel part ready to be connected to another one .... picture taken at the Cantiere Navale Rucher, Manfredonia Italy

(http://i.imgur.com/iqmIsAu.jpg)

It was great fun to make this part and I am looking forward to make other parts as nice as this one.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on July 29, 2017, 08:57:52 pm
I forgot to mention that the original is 16m long.
I build it in 1/16 scale. 1m long and a little bit over 30cm wide.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on July 31, 2017, 09:16:36 pm
Some more woodwork done for the keel. Actually this oakwood is very nice to work with!

(http://i.imgur.com/zZrfmYD.jpg)


(http://i.imgur.com/PXXt65Z.jpg)


(http://i.imgur.com/C9rlaTl.jpg)


(http://i.imgur.com/ROqIKNM.jpg)


(http://i.imgur.com/X1ACJ3P.jpg)


(http://i.imgur.com/NNzDCKS.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on July 31, 2017, 10:43:59 pm
Ohhhhhhhhh Yes  :-)) I love that work you have done on the stem Danielle. The dowels add a nice touch to the piece. Like with Brian B's gorgeous carpentary, your hard work will be hidden, but we will know its there. I hope the aroma of oak will filter from the hull when you remove the deck to access batteries etc so don't use smelly resins  :D
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: MikeK on August 01, 2017, 07:44:02 am
It does indeed look a nice wood to work with nice, sharp edges. The interlocking pieces reminded me of the 20ft launch I built in the front garden years ago, the stem was formed exactly the same way. (I built the launch with the theory that it would be just an overgrown model and therefore quite easy............Wrong !!!)

Mike
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: tattooed on August 01, 2017, 03:14:28 pm
as a ex trawlerman i love this , building a trawler the way they should be built  :-)) keep up the fantastic work








Andy
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Brian60 on August 01, 2017, 08:12:39 pm
Lovely woodwork to get those joints so precise.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on August 02, 2017, 04:14:44 pm
Thanks a lot to you all!!!!  :-)) :-)) :-))

Today I made the openings for the sections in the keel. First do some cuts into the space that has to be removed, then take a small screwdriver and break the pieces away. Works very well and sometimes you can break all pieces out together.

(http://i.imgur.com/RSZG40I.jpg)

I did try my proxxon carving tool ... too much hassle ... I used the nice hand powered version ....

(http://i.imgur.com/5vgLGfv.jpg)

The next pic show the keel in 1/16 scale (16m trawler) against the 1/25 scale N. Loredana with 27m.

(http://i.imgur.com/UzSBUPP.jpg)

The bow had to be made too ....

(http://i.imgur.com/blXBhLE.jpg)

... not too bad ... I used dowels here but screws would have been better!
I also test fitted the prop axle ....

(http://i.imgur.com/eMR2cA4.jpg)

Bow ....

(http://i.imgur.com/yWdJXKx.jpg)

Stern ...

(http://i.imgur.com/4HTOl8T.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on August 03, 2017, 05:25:59 pm
The last pies of the stern was made today ....
.... but first I made one out of photopaper.

(http://i.imgur.com/N7GVISU.jpg?1)

Glue and hammer-in the dowels. I also predrilled the hole for the rudder axle.

(http://i.imgur.com/bo2930U.jpg?1)

Finished!

(http://i.imgur.com/eNofyiP.jpg)

The stern part was glued and fixed with dowels.

Picture of the keel.

(http://i.imgur.com/EDFPaMI.jpg)

I mad a base to have it stand up to work on the sections

(http://i.imgur.com/7wBZwkG.jpg?1)

(http://i.imgur.com/Rj0xCxE.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/eiDFUJs.jpg)

How much will the keel weight? 693g

(http://i.imgur.com/dbajM6D.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: captain bligh on August 03, 2017, 09:28:27 pm
Looking forward to following the build  :-)) the french build some lovely looking trawlers.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on August 03, 2017, 09:46:53 pm
It is already a very pleasing build Danielle. I sometimes wonder when thinking out ideas and ways to do things if the old ways are better? I have to say that powered saws are a God send (providing they are sharp and maintained) and drill presses are so useful. You are using a hard hardwood and I wonder if smaller power tools have the 'gumption' to tackle Oak.

I see two boxes of tissues. Hayfever? or sawdust allergy??  {:-{
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on August 04, 2017, 04:55:44 am
Thanks a lot!!!! :-)) :-)) :-))

Actually the wood isn't too hard. Cutting it with the bandsaw or drilling it isn't too much of a problem .... the wood is oak but I don not know which kind.
Beechwood is much harder.
The tissues are there because its a nice place to have them there ... I have sometimes problems with dust but only if I do not wear a mask.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on August 04, 2017, 05:21:41 am
Danielle...this is a very traditional near full size build design :-))......just like the real ones

Yes, Oak timber is a near generic name for so many species here in Australia.......many termed as Tasmanian Oak

However each is unique in straight grain, heavy/dense, great to cut & shape + machine with sharp equipment

Excellent for keel, stem & stern together with fabricated frames......[not so good for steaming & bending of planks]

Looking forward to your continued progress.............. Derek
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on August 04, 2017, 03:00:44 pm
Thanks a ot for the information about the oak!!!  :-)) :-)) :-))

As I couldn't find oak planks in the right dimensions so I will use the tried and tested 6.5mm birchplay! After painting the inside of the ship light grey nobody will notice the plywood anymore. But for me its much less of a hassle to have the right dimensions on stock in my DIY shop.

The first week of the building is ending and I just designed the first frame. #1 is at the stern and #38 at the bow. Original plans show 11 frames. But the original model has a steel hull and mine a wooden hull.
Some of my plottered plans are not in scale .... should have a word with my friend .... <*<
I also did the template used to cut out the frame without much problems.

(http://i.imgur.com/4tNNqxj.jpg?1)

The first frame made in card! I will do that with all frames (38 of them) so I can control if everything looks alright before cutting the plywood.

(http://i.imgur.com/VMZu90S.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/6thn09B.jpg)

Thats all for this week I'll be back on monday ....  ok2
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on August 04, 2017, 04:35:09 pm
So it appears that the building board complete with the keel plate ++....has progressed from the Ladies Cave to the Lounge Room  {-)....

If you are comfortable with Birchply ....great....it is a very user friendly building material   :-))

Derek
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on August 04, 2017, 07:11:43 pm
All drawing and cardboard work is done at the dining table .... there is no room left on on my worktable and its too dusty down there ....
I just got an offer from a modelboat captain to draw all frames on the CAD programme DelftShip. He has it already done but with the frames on the wrong position. Now he may recalculate everything and have my 37 frames (one already done) redrawn on this software....  :}
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on August 05, 2017, 06:35:44 pm
I found out that the actual scale is 1/14.68!!!! My friend did not plotter it correctly .....  {:-{
The plans made in Delftship arrived by email today .... with the neccessary all side views!
Monday I will have them plottered and then I can start with the frames!!!!  ok2
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on August 05, 2017, 11:40:18 pm
Darn computers >>:-( they can be so accurate  ..... but after all  :o..it is only a number and all things are still relative to the number in your build

If you decided toward the end of the build to purchase some scale deck accessories.....if they were 1:14 or 1:15.....only you would know the {-) : decimal place difference..... Derek
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on August 06, 2017, 12:07:44 am

A beautiful subject in memory of your Mum :-)) :-))

She doesn't look as  big as "Lorenda".

Some good ideas with joint strengthening  O0 O0

Even upside down she is looking good.

Yes there are times when power tools are the wrong tool for the job. Traditional hand tools are more accurate and don't damage you, or the work, such as remove your fingers etc like power tools. >>:-( >>:-( <*< <*< <:( <:(
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on August 07, 2017, 07:41:08 pm
There is a big difference in length of 90mm ... 1090mm in 1/14.68 vs. 1000mm in 1/16.
Even the frames had another scale around 1/15.2....
My German friend sent me a new set of plans made in DelftShip. 45 Frames evenly spaced at 24mm over the whole keel. BRILLIANT.

Here the prints .... 4 pcs.

(http://i.imgur.com/6g72z2o.jpg)

Frame #1 made again ....

(http://i.imgur.com/BFTDQDw.jpg)

Frame made in cardboard to control the shape of the hull.

(http://i.imgur.com/oMCUCXh.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on August 07, 2017, 08:02:39 pm
I know your annoyance Danielle. I have to check every drawing I use for work because so often the dimentions are different between say, the length of a subject on the plan view and the length on the side view meaning you have to work out the formula for each view.

Still, better to rectify it now than several months in the future, though you might be able to sell the hul on and recoup some funds for the new Lady Jeanne.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: jarvo on August 07, 2017, 10:43:04 pm
Hi Danielle, great to see you have a new project. Is this one for you???


Mark
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on August 08, 2017, 04:49:04 am
Thanks a lot you two!!!!!

Yes its a new project and its for me .... In the future I will build my models only for me and my wife ....  ok2
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: jarvo on August 08, 2017, 09:05:29 am
Building for other people is a pain, they want miracles and won't wait. Build for yourselves, so you can enjoy the process together.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on August 08, 2017, 06:42:35 pm
I noticed that the bow isn't right with the DelftShip plans .... so its time to change that quickly!

(http://i.imgur.com/QyxTi4P.jpg?1)

To low and not enough angled ....

(http://i.imgur.com/1FNCdBE.jpg)

With the bandsaw I cut away some part of the bow and made replacement part.

(http://i.imgur.com/Jwu3zLS.jpg)

And here is the result ... looks much better than before. The line shows where the planks will end and so I have the made a groove there ....

(http://i.imgur.com/WKn9nHQ.jpg)

Frame #12 is ready ....

(http://i.imgur.com/w6mPHrX.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Mark T on August 08, 2017, 07:36:06 pm
I wish I could build like this;  Danielle another great build on the way with just lovely carpentry  :-))   Keep the pictures coming!
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on August 09, 2017, 04:57:56 pm
Thanks a lot Mark!!!!  :-)) :-)) :-))

Another 3 frames made .... the measurement are top class from the new plans. No corrections neccessary sofar!
I will make every 3rd frame out of cardboard to check the shape of the hull. The other frames will be made of fotocard only.

(http://i.imgur.com/7IZUzKa.jpg)

Looks alright for me.

(http://i.imgur.com/FOzRWXr.jpg)

Lets see at which stage I will begin to cut the plywood.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on August 10, 2017, 07:32:24 am
 :o :o :o
Danielle,

What have you done to your poor helper, he looks like he is out for the count.  %) %)    {-) {-)

Poor bloke  O0 O0
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: MikeK on August 10, 2017, 08:37:32 am
Never mind the helper ! What about the evil experiments going on on the other side  %%   Looks suspiciously like sealed pods containing bodies   :o

Mike
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on August 10, 2017, 09:46:17 am
Never mind the helper ! What about the evil experiments going on on the other side  %%   Looks suspiciously like sealed pods containing bodies   :o

Mike

Oh my goodness I missed that where are the moderators to censor these images.

I hope Danielle is unharmed and able to continue with this thread %) %)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: MikeK on August 10, 2017, 10:06:16 am
Oh my goodness I missed that where are the moderators to censor these images.

I hope Danielle is unharmed and able to continue with this thread %) %)

Who is to say that Danielle himself is not the evil professor carrying out nefarious experiments hmmmm   O0 %% %% %% %) :-))


Mike
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: jarvo on August 10, 2017, 10:11:32 am
Danielle and her wife have got to be wetting themselves laughing at you two
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: MikeK on August 10, 2017, 02:17:03 pm
Who is to say that Danielle himself is not the evil professor carrying out nefarious experiments hmmmm   O0 %% %% %% %) :-))


Mike


Apologies, Danielle herself is not etc...................................... :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :D %)

Mike
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on August 10, 2017, 05:26:12 pm
 :} :} :} :} :} :-))

Slowly it takes shape ... 4 frames done today. Frame #1 was cut down 5mm .... now it looks ok to me.
But you can only check the shape 100% when the wooden frames are done.

(http://i.imgur.com/tJr6G7q.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/E49JGqt.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/1EW6jOg.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: MickyK on August 10, 2017, 06:33:35 pm
 Looking good already Danielle, going to be yet another beauty. Glad to see your helper is back on his feet again, but wait wait what is he concealing behind him I wonder.............. %)




Mike
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on August 10, 2017, 07:45:36 pm
 :-)) ok2 :} {-) {-) {-)
We had a good laugh ... you all are too funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :-)) :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on August 10, 2017, 08:42:34 pm
It's him! He's murdering all your other helpers (He is obviously very envious) and sealing them in plastic pods.

Get your wife out of the flat and call the Police Danielle quick!!!

I am looking forward to see how the frames continue forward.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: jarvo on August 10, 2017, 10:51:47 pm
I think Ballastanksian is referring to your little helper being framed for his deranged mind dreaming of bodies, it's a model !!!!!!!
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on August 11, 2017, 06:36:00 pm
Today .... well .... look at the pics!!!!

(http://i.imgur.com/32QvEqc.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/oyVvwOZ.jpg)

Well I finished the cardoard frames today (1/3) .... the missing 2/3 will be made with fotopaper only ...
I am very pleased with the result!

(http://i.imgur.com/5MIYaKX.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/feaky5t.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/9iQ8TEE.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on August 11, 2017, 09:40:36 pm
Even with quite tubby bilges, she will still be sleek, assuming the Purple meanies don't eat her before you have got the planks on!
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on August 12, 2017, 04:36:23 am
 :o :o :o

My goodness I thought this was a model boat thread  O0 O0 not a build of an alien invasion vessel. %% %%

I can't bear to watch 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on August 14, 2017, 05:05:23 pm
Back to normal today .... 8 frame made in photocard .... still too much to do ....  %)

(http://i.imgur.com/BVGtb6E.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/y8P0TIo.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/X8x97Mk.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: jarvo on August 14, 2017, 10:17:38 pm
Are the top pieces just spacers or deck supports???
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: deadwood on August 15, 2017, 11:43:28 am
I have some 5-6 plans of fishing boats from brittany!
Ordered them online at the following online shop https://librairie-hussard.com/catalog/chalutiers-thoniers-c-142_30054_50033.html?language=en&sort=99&page=2&osCsid=54d3cb43339e8b1f456e54840243720b (https://librairie-hussard.com/catalog/chalutiers-thoniers-c-142_30054_50033.html?language=en&sort=99&page=2&osCsid=54d3cb43339e8b1f456e54840243720b)

Hi Danielle,

maybe a little bit too late and off topic.
I am tempted to order from this source, you mentioned, this newly released plan of the famous liner (ou paquebot) SS FRANCE (https://librairie-hussard.com/catalog/france-paquebot-1200-nouveau-1162-p-50466.html), as I always had penchant for this beautiful ship, from when I was a boy an glued together an Airfix kit of her.
On their website it says that the plan would cost 25 €, which was feasible and affordable to me.
But often these model accessories dealers surcharge the same amount for postage and packaging or other alleged services which all in all would make the deal prohibitive for my meager budget.
Can you tell if this vendor is also following this practice of hidden costs? (well, of course I probably could find out myself by klicking me through until the point of order submission).
Anyway, what is your experience? What's the quality of their plans and delivery service?
For me the stuff should be delivered to a "Packstation" in Berlin because my wife would disapprove my purchase and probably dispose it in the garbage bin, should I have it sent to my home address.

Regards,
Ralph
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on August 15, 2017, 07:35:51 pm
Are the top pieces just spacers or deck supports???

Just spacers ....  ok2

@ Ralph:
I had no hidden costs for the delivery to Switzerland. Quality is alright. It depends of the designer of the plan. Delivery is a little bit slow. Ordered my last plans on July 25th and haven't received it yet. Maybe they are on holidays.

I draw some 10 frames today. At the end I noticed that the frames do not have the right shape and everything was stopped. I will start with the wooden frames and make the bow frames later. I'd like to have them like the real wooden fishtrawler. Its in a 180° just like a star .... we'll see if I can do that.

Pictures of todays work.

(http://i.imgur.com/2yb29eS.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/joXOfjc.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/T2e9iwM.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on August 15, 2017, 08:21:45 pm
There we go, another example of an interesting technical hull design but sadly the designers have hidden most of it under the skin  {:-{
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on August 16, 2017, 07:20:06 pm
Actually it is a steel hull .... its a deep "V" hull. I redesigned the frames to a wooden hull by myself.

Redone some of the frames .... every second frame is now ready to be cut out of wood.

(http://i.imgur.com/Swmaghl.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/UlMZUQr.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: jarvo on August 16, 2017, 10:11:09 pm
The cat in the background is just like mine. "HA you wake me up just to make that silly boat!!!" FEED ME
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on August 16, 2017, 10:13:14 pm
 {-) Shoosh Mum, I am watching something on the TV!!!
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on August 17, 2017, 12:35:18 am
Danielle....is this not an  8.8 cm/76 (3.46") SK C/32 Naval Gun ordinance just sitting the corner?   %)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on August 17, 2017, 04:43:02 am
@Jarvo: The cat is fed properly 2 times a day .... her name is Mousi ... her hobbies are sleeping, sleeping, eating, sleeping ....  ok2

@Derek; It is a famous 88mm FLAK ordinance .... from the movieset "MIRACLE AT ST. ANNA".  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_at_St._Anna (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_at_St._Anna)
It has an autogramme on it from movie director Spike Lee.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: MikeK on August 17, 2017, 07:52:18 am
@Derek; It is a famous 88mm FLAK ordinance .... from the movieset "MIRACLE AT ST. ANNA".  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_at_St._Anna (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_at_St._Anna)
It has an autogramme on it from movie director Spike Lee.


Come on Derek, of course it is ! Hasn't everyone got a ordinance shell in the corner of the sitting room ?   %) :}

Mike
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: jarvo on August 17, 2017, 09:21:14 am
@ Mousi, How dare you tell people i sleep and eat, i demand cuddles and strokes as well !!!!!
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on August 17, 2017, 05:27:13 pm
I wont tell you what I have at home regarding guns and ammo .... I could defend my flat for several days ....  <*<
Mousi is a little bit special .... does like cuddles and strokes but only from my wife .... a shy cat.

Back to the shipbuilding .... here a picture of the frames. In the paperblock are the frames I will use to cut the plywood. Nicely and tidy. The cardboard frames will be used to check roughly if the shape of the hull is alright.

(http://i.imgur.com/pY8B1oc.jpg)

The keel gets his V-groove. the last plank will sit in this groove. I wanted to add this detail since ages!

(http://i.imgur.com/KroDAEx.jpg?1)

Even if its not 100% straightlined .... the plank will hide it.

(http://i.imgur.com/W2HplQN.jpg)

Here you can see how the plank is sitting in the groove. I used hand and electrical tools. The Proxxon carving tool is very handy but a little bit noisy. I also used the flex attachment to clean the V-groove a little bit. I tried to use the "muscledriven" tool but it would have taken ages to finish the work.

(http://i.imgur.com/u7RyJMt.jpg?1)

I wonder how wide planks on a 16m fishtrawler with wooden hull are ..... any ideas??? I have some leftover fir 10x2mm profiles from the N. Loredana project. They look a little bit small ....
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on August 18, 2017, 09:51:16 am
@Derek; It is a famous 88mm FLAK ordinance .... from the movieset "MIRACLE AT ST. ANNA".  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_at_St._Anna (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_at_St._Anna)
It has an autogramme on it from movie director Spike Lee.


Come on Derek, of course it is ! Hasn't everyone got a ordinance shell in the corner of the sitting room ?   %) :}

Mike

 :o :o :o

Mike,

Absolutely correct. O0 O0 O0

For the older UK/Commonwealth that would be the Ubiquitous 25 pounder and for the younger 'set' the 105mm.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: MikeK on August 19, 2017, 07:05:51 am
:o :o :o

Mike,

Absolutely correct. O0 O0 O0

For the older UK/Commonwealth that would be the Ubiquitous 25 pounder and for the younger 'set' the 105mm.

Well I knew that .............................................I suppose  :embarrassed: Not to feel left out, I have got half a dozen .22 air rifle slugs in an ashtray on the windowsill !
 :-)) {-)

Mike
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on August 21, 2017, 04:11:58 pm
Today I made the first frame. #1 at the stern. I just like it because its not the usual frame as it has some 5 uprights and a horizontal beam on it.
Cutting out as exactly as possible two times the frame. Using the template with a 0.5mm pencil gives me the best result. Only minor sanding was needed. Then I glued the two pieces together.

(http://i.imgur.com/cdpEKPk.jpg)

Now its time to drill all neccessary 3mm holes for the wooden dowels.

(http://i.imgur.com/RvkmFzR.jpg)

Glue the pieces together and hammer carefully the dowels in with a hammer.

(http://i.imgur.com/tgQpkQt.jpg)

I checked many times if everything was on the right place and at the right angle. I must admit I never controlled that much my work with the N. Loredana or Cornelia Marie.

(http://i.imgur.com/W7dcsfT.jpg)

After a little bit over 3h work the frame was finished. It weights 140g ... I wonder how much weight the hull will be at the end.

(http://i.imgur.com/xRXFuCc.jpg)

It fits nicely the groove on the keel .... first frame .... perfect for me!!!!

(http://i.imgur.com/A0GHrYB.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/VOpBBx7.jpg)

Now I should get some planks on this frame but how wide do the have to be???? Any ideas?
I guess the original planks must have some 200mm ... so it would be 13.6mm in 1/14.68 scale
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Dreadnought on August 21, 2017, 04:18:18 pm

Wow very nice woodwork  :-))
Dreadnought:)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on August 22, 2017, 04:42:03 pm
Thank you very much!!!  :}

Today I glued the first frame on the keel .... two wooden 2x10s keep the frame level. With this method I do not have to care if the workpiece is level or not. I also used 3-4 90° L's ....

(http://i.imgur.com/HBPZig6.jpg)

Then I copied frame #3 on the plywood. As you can see most of the frame pieces are copied on the inner piece that was left over from frame #1. At the end I used very litte plywood for 3 frames!

(http://i.imgur.com/PVkyO5R.jpg)

Cut out all pieces on the bandsaw. The more you take care to cut exactly, the less you have to adjust the pieces later.

(http://i.imgur.com/Nbztffm.jpg)

The middle part is adapted to the keel.

(http://i.imgur.com/hc66WRz.jpg)

All pieces are glued together with the help of the template.

Here I am working on frame #5 (I do every other frame at the moment) and frame #3 is waiting to be glued in.

(http://i.imgur.com/dhcoRMd.jpg)

And today work from the backside ....

(http://i.imgur.com/gpIQqGn.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on August 22, 2017, 08:50:34 pm
That is looking marvellous Danielle. Your costs will be much reduced with that level of recycling and the satisfaction of complex carpentry will be that much greater.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on August 24, 2017, 04:25:12 pm
Thanks a lot!!!! :-))
To make it perfect I should have used hex bolts and screws after glueing the frames together .... but I thought its just too much realism ....  ok2

Here you can see how much plywood was left over after 8 frames. There is enough plywood left to make another one. In the paper bag the small leftovers and in the vaacum cleaner the sawdust (one bag full).

(http://i.imgur.com/Ks8fsbk.jpg)

I am quite happy with my work. All frames fitted exactly but one .... never built a model ship so fast and so accurate before.

(http://i.imgur.com/MBwR59e.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/8xiWjns.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/61BJayW.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/qYShbwt.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Big Ada on August 24, 2017, 05:52:46 pm
It is looking good Danielle, have you thought how much it is going to Weigh.?
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on August 24, 2017, 06:57:24 pm
It is looking good Danielle, have you thought how much it is going to Weigh.?

I hope the empty hull will be around 7-10kgs .... I target a weight of 20kg with all equipment on board .... who knows .... maybe more maybe less. This is a trawler for the north atlantic and they sit rather deep in the water ...
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on August 24, 2017, 08:49:09 pm
If you plan to add knees to the frames and run out of wood, I see one at the bottom of the first picture  :} The frames look amazing, and I bet the smell of Birch ply is lovely.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on August 28, 2017, 04:42:42 pm
 {-) {-) {-) Smells very nice in my workspace ....

Did quite a lot today. I bought a small piece of plywood that I use to glue the frames together. I added another joint to the frames so each frame has 10 pieces instead of 8. Frames 15, 17, 19 and 21 are glued on the keel. Also frame #2 at the stern.

(http://i.imgur.com/nlQz0F9.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/7YbKdDC.jpg)

Looks good to me hope the hull we be straight .... looks a little bit funny at the moment.

(http://i.imgur.com/df9pOau.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/W9GiExd.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/hO6HqX9.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: bfgstew on August 28, 2017, 04:47:11 pm
Very skilled carpentry work Danielle......looks like another impressive build is on the cards.


Stewart
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on August 28, 2017, 05:15:26 pm
Progress looks straight to me Danielle. I expect minor discrepecies will creep in but these an be rectified before gluing with a little sanding and trimming.

Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on August 28, 2017, 09:29:03 pm

It's looking very nice indeed, Danielle.  I do love your work.

ken
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on August 30, 2017, 05:07:49 pm
Thanks a lot my friends!!!!  :-)) :-)) :-))

I had some major issues with the discrepancies .... so after measuring checking and controlling everything I got rid of the upper part of the frames.

(http://i.imgur.com/MdZhhwR.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/gKBbCCP.jpg)

5min with my Proxxon and the problem is solved!

(http://i.imgur.com/bIGyi4c.jpg)

Looks OK so I can make the next few frames!

(http://i.imgur.com/QkuMr8t.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/shfrlkn.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Tafelspitz on August 30, 2017, 07:00:40 pm
It looks a bit like the remnants of a dead animal, but amazing carpentry!  :-))
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: jarvo on August 30, 2017, 10:46:08 pm
Half the world's supply of clamps. I think i have the other half!!!


Mark
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on August 31, 2017, 05:57:04 pm
 :-)) {-) {-) {-)

More frames built today .... two fixed on the keel the others glued together or ready to be glued.
I used 2 plywood board 1000x400x6.5mm sofar. 24 frames (x2 each is double) 48 frames with 0.8m2 plywood is a very good result. I bought 5 boards and I might end up with 1 board left over.

(http://i.imgur.com/zm6bT2Q.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on August 31, 2017, 06:36:39 pm
Those frames at the stern are a touch of class with the curves up to the center over the prop.

Luverly  :-)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on September 01, 2017, 12:26:55 am

Shaping up to be a very solid framework  O0 O0 :-))

Would be suitable for a good bumper boat  {-) {-)

Seriously, lookin good :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on September 01, 2017, 07:07:30 pm
Thanks a lot!!!!  :-)) :-)) :-))
It will be a hardcore model fishtrawler. One that you can use if the lake has very high waves ....  :}

2 Frames (2x2 frames) on a 15x40cm board ....

(http://i.imgur.com/ktfvQav.jpg)

Looking good the last two added frames!!!

(http://i.imgur.com/3RSnp4N.jpg)

I hope I have most frames finished til end of the next week!

(http://i.imgur.com/r1OzrkW.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on September 02, 2017, 02:35:58 pm
That's a lovely hull shape forming Danielle.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on September 04, 2017, 05:42:49 pm
Thanks a lot my friend!!!!  :-)) :-))
You can really see how the hull takes shape and how it may look at the end! I just love my method of building a hull.

Today I tried to find out if the bow is in the right shape. Looks OK sofar but I have to do further checks and tryouts till I will glue in the frames.

(https://i.imgur.com/1pgYvnz.jpg)

Todays work (4 frames) viewed from the inside.

(https://i.imgur.com/1iSWgWC.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/3iE93MX.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on September 05, 2017, 05:39:12 pm
Today what else ... FRAMES - FRAMES - FRAMES .... I start to have nightmares about them ....  ok2

(https://i.imgur.com/i1RABY4.jpg)

Any frame that does not fit 100% will be sanded down ....

(https://i.imgur.com/riJ1LHk.jpg)

I am very happy with the result sofar!
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: T33cno on September 05, 2017, 06:28:10 pm
Wonderful work  8)


Was the Lego Technics in the background yours ?


 :-)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Miscellaneous/i-MSxdPPD/0/31e6366c/X2/image-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on September 05, 2017, 07:17:45 pm
Yes mine and my wife has also a few!
Thats a very nice excavator!!!! Never seen it before ....
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: T33cno on September 05, 2017, 07:44:18 pm
It's what is called a MOC My Own Creation but not by me. It is built from private plans has 6 motors and LiPo batteries along with Sbrick that allows control from iPhone  :-))
That blue crawler crane I have also converted to 6 motors  8)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: T33cno on September 05, 2017, 07:47:19 pm
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9uRcVbDn_Og
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on September 06, 2017, 04:39:51 pm
I just love these DIY Lego sets you can download from the internet. Sadly the parts are way too expensive ....

The biggest frames are glued in .... only a few left to make.

(https://i.imgur.com/SPMXtU9.jpg)

To check the shape of the hull I made a cardboard "deck". Everything looks allright sofar. A few frames are not exactly aligned but they are flexible enough that I can push or pull them to get them to the right place.

(https://i.imgur.com/VLRxQnk.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/hWdgU36.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/VXR21hs.jpg)

I will made a plywood deck and fix it to the hull temporarly. So I can finish each frame to the exact length and fix it with a small screw. So the hull will stay in form when I add the planks. Hope it works out as planned.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on September 08, 2017, 12:07:20 pm
Here a picture from a fishtrawler with a wooden hull. The frames are massive and have the same spacing as I use (width of a frame).

Picture: Chantier Naval Bernard

(https://i.imgur.com/ytdG5SY.jpg)

I controll the shape of the hull all the time before I glue the frame. So you will not have nasty surpises when all the frames are glued in and he shape is wrong.

(https://i.imgur.com/WZLlmTh.jpg)

Thats the plywood "deck" I was speaking about. Each frame will be screwed to it. It will stabilize the hull till the planking is done.

(https://i.imgur.com/K6hEDpv.jpg)

Frames #38-40 are glued in. #40 will be done next week maybe even a #41&42 ....
As said before .... this week the frames will be finished.

(https://i.imgur.com/VCl7FDZ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/DqdDNrK.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/hkcJEdp.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on September 08, 2017, 01:15:45 pm
Great work Danielle. What timber are the real boats being built from? hard or softwood???
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: SailorGreg on September 08, 2017, 01:53:23 pm
Now that is proper model ship building.  I almost expect to see a 1:16 scale adze lying on the bench!   :-))   

Greg
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: DavieTait on September 08, 2017, 03:03:28 pm
Great work Danielle. What timber are the real boats being built from? hard or softwood???

Depends on the yard , normally Iroko planks on Oak frames , sometimes Oak on Oak though
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on September 09, 2017, 10:54:06 am
Yes, as you say the spacing of the frames and planking being almost equal, makes for a very strong robust joint connection, thereby "locking" it all together.

Good choice of subject.  :-)) :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on September 11, 2017, 07:23:53 pm
Thanks a lot to all of you!!!!  :-)) :-))

2.8kg is the weight of the hull at this stage ....

(https://i.imgur.com/d6U4jVm.jpg)

I cut some planks 12x3mm

(https://i.imgur.com/LbSaCB4.jpg)

The stern frame is planked

(https://i.imgur.com/VhO8tGr.jpg)

Finished ....

(https://i.imgur.com/XUHh5he.jpg)

The whole hull from above.

(https://i.imgur.com/NaWSLHC.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: jarvo on September 11, 2017, 07:37:41 pm
Really looking impressive now. 2.8 Kg? think you might be launching then fitting the batteries. Still a brilliant model


Mark
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on September 12, 2017, 07:42:27 pm
Amen! She a beauty already.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: T33cno on September 12, 2017, 11:06:51 pm
Bullet proof  O0
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on September 20, 2017, 04:20:57 pm
Thanks a lot to you all!!!!!

I was out for a while with some strange cough and fever .... and then my Jeep needed some TLC to get the daylights running again. But now I am back again.
I also found a new job! After over 15 months finally a small company was interested in my work knowledge and languages (french, english, german, italian). So from mid october on I wont have that much time to build model ships as before. But working part time leaves me with monday as my day to build my model ships.

Back to model building. I noticed that the right and left side of the frames where not exactly the same length. I do not know wherre the mistake came from but I had to correct it.
Best solution was to cut down the frames on the right side. I did that with my brand new Proxxon jigsaw.

(https://i.imgur.com/DNgqTbZ.jpg)

Now its fits and looks much better! The front frames will be shortened later.

(https://i.imgur.com/NAXhwRT.jpg)

The deck is on again and serves as second workplace!!!.

(https://i.imgur.com/Zch6xLb.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/UwfSx4n.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: hama on September 20, 2017, 04:55:01 pm
Love to watch your woodworking skills!
And congratulations to the new job.
Hama
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: jarvo on September 20, 2017, 09:31:35 pm
Congratulations on the new job, only part time building, you wont get so frustrated!!!!


Mark
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Tafelspitz on September 21, 2017, 06:20:39 am
Congrats on the new job! Nice to see other people also using Proxxon tools  8) . I have the same jigsaw, but it didn't come in such a nice, big tool case like yours back when.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on September 21, 2017, 03:41:47 pm
Thanks to you all!!!!  :-)) :-)) :-))

Today I sanded down the frames so that I could ....

(https://i.imgur.com/1M22NPK.jpg)

... glue one plank in place. There will be another one from the inside to get a bombproof hull.

(https://i.imgur.com/fFBE5sb.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: bfgstew on September 21, 2017, 03:57:12 pm
Coming along nicely Danielle.
Great news about your new job.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on September 21, 2017, 11:12:08 pm
Yes congradulations on the new job. I hope it is challenging and fun, or at least not a pain.

Will you seal the insides of the hull walls to prevent the planks from getting damp and musty?
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on September 22, 2017, 01:37:25 am
Well Danielle.....with fluency on 4 languages I immediately thought of a job in the United Nations.....but remembered from school that Switzerland was not a member of the UN  >>:-(....

All that appears to have changed as your homeland was admitted to the UN in 2002 :-X

Anyway...back to shipbuilding O0...you must have shares in the Proxxon machinery company

I think the actual construction of this build may surpass the splendour of your Nuova Lorendana......

Derek
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on September 28, 2017, 05:15:34 pm
Thanks a lot Derek! I hope my Mady-Jeanne will be better that the N. Loredana. I have planned to have the netwinches working with the trawldoors.

This week I cut some planks ....

(https://i.imgur.com/fUJXv8E.jpg)

... and glued them on.

(https://i.imgur.com/nTxIgfg.jpg)

... picture without the clamps.

(https://i.imgur.com/T2VrEpC.jpg)

... on the inside is also row of planks.

(https://i.imgur.com/FchCkyw.jpg)

... final result.

(https://i.imgur.com/fBGlKvQ.jpg)

... another row of planks near the keel.

(https://i.imgur.com/rMuhxe0.jpg)

... a second row to make things more sturdy.

(https://i.imgur.com/rNWgo8v.jpg)

... and a final picture of todays work.

(https://i.imgur.com/lpdDIS0.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on October 09, 2017, 06:43:43 am
I was visiting brittany again last week. I visited the port of Loctudy and I couldn't believe what I saw .... the original of my Mady-Jeanne!!!! With a wooden hull!!! I took a lot of pics to have the details for my model. I will post pictures later ...  :}
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on October 09, 2017, 06:58:13 am
mmmmmmmm......."the original of my Mady-Jeanne!!!! With a wooden hull"

I am sure you realise Danielle that this can put a totally different aspect to the external hull as completed

You will not need to attempt the flatness of steel plates, but use this new knowledge to portray hull planking as true hull planking O0

In my little City of Wollongong, wooden hulled trawlers sit side by side with metal hulled trawlers......and it is always more interesting when one goes up on the slipway

I know which I prefer.......Derek

 
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on October 09, 2017, 01:13:47 pm
Derek, its really nice to see how my "fantasy" hull in wood exists in reality!

Some pics of the "original" .... I made some other 50 pics of the details.  I think its 90% the same ship. But with pictures of it I can build it like it is in real life and not as another fantasy model.

(https://i.imgur.com/2YFEMEs.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/anIH3TF.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/buRoVBJ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/V8IKrcN.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/fZjuZt4.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/MoI00BC.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/HT8Yva7.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/uNK1sCe.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: jarvo on October 09, 2017, 02:43:03 pm
She's in great condition, the massive bows to protect her from the Atlantic storms and a well protected shelter deck for the crew processing the catch, are you going for the weathered look or just launched???


Mark
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on October 09, 2017, 03:47:52 pm
I am going for the extreme used look ....  ok2
Which is much more difficult to make than the fresh from the builders yard look.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on October 10, 2017, 05:19:19 pm
I had to adjust the shape of the bow according to the original.

(https://i.imgur.com/VMwqWjQ.jpg)

As told before the frames of the bow are not ok .... 14 frames need to be redone or adapted to have the right shape.

(https://i.imgur.com/hgLcbXr.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on October 10, 2017, 09:58:41 pm
Hull planking very similar to  what I had imagined.....[similar sized trawler vessel]..........Derek
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on October 11, 2017, 07:16:34 pm
Derek the planks are like then ones on the original!

First frame redone ....

(https://i.imgur.com/hXLSsqj.jpg)

The other frames are flexible enough to be bend outside a little bit.

(https://i.imgur.com/jjzHEDo.jpg)

At the end only 6 frames have to be made again. The front 6 do not fit at all.

(https://i.imgur.com/jjzHEDo.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on October 13, 2017, 04:06:36 pm
Today I decided to get rid of the bow and/or the 6 frames at the bow. It is just impossible to use them with the right shaped frames .... first pics shows how misshaped the frames where .... I checked some frames with the plans and they matched perfectly. So I must say thatthe Delftship programme did non draw the frames to the right proportions ....

(https://i.imgur.com/nf2flT5.jpg)

The first 8 frames are now wider and secured with a traversal piece of wood.

(https://i.imgur.com/3nSnSdt.jpg)

Time to get rid of the front 6 frames .... this went very quick and in just 30mins ....

(https://i.imgur.com/8Dmn4df.jpg)

.... the bow was naked again!

(https://i.imgur.com/1tI1Ot8.jpg)

Time to get some cardboard cut and to shape the bow! Now I can see how the ships bow will look! And I can draw the new frames!!!!

(https://i.imgur.com/RAR7UTw.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/2BsDUfm.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/sY7AMgg.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/vNErfCt.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: T33cno on October 13, 2017, 06:09:37 pm
Lucky you spotted the errors at this stage rather than when planked and worse painted.
Alas my own build is stuck with errors that would be major surgery. Hard to believe the number of years that they have got away with completely inaccurate plans and templates  >>:-(
I have stairs so narrow I can only fit handrails one side and will have to crank the stanchions outwards.
I feel like I need to build another to put all the wrongs right  {-)  NOT no way never
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on October 16, 2017, 04:56:01 pm
I can't understand such errors!!! I should build my FV Cornelia Marie again as it is full of mistakes .... but I wouldn't do it. Anyway ... nobody has ever seen the CM live so nobody will notice the error ...

Time to make the new frames .... all starts with cardboard ....

(https://i.imgur.com/Tj7ASal.jpg)

After the third frame, every other one will be fixed to the keel in an angle .... just like the real thing. I drew some lines in pink.

(https://i.imgur.com/GTQz5B9.jpg)

But before cutting any plywood I have to draw the new frames from the cardboard ones .... here you can see how much difference it was between the plan and the model ....

(https://i.imgur.com/JvmiLly.jpg)

3 Frames are done .... another 5-6 to do. Some of the frame can be draw only one after another. First I have to make say #40 in plywood before I can draw #41.

(https://i.imgur.com/DWpMlR2.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Paul2407 on October 16, 2017, 09:10:46 pm
Your FV Cornelia Marie is wonderful and even if it isn't 100% it's 99.9% I had the pleasure of meeting Captain Phil Harris around 15 years ago on a visit to Seattle, I also met Johnathan Hillstrand they where both the most obliging chaps and I had a tour around the Time Bandit

Anyway back on topic this build looks phenomenal and fantastic attention to detail and if it turns out anything close to some of your other builds it will be amazing  :-))
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: jarvo on October 16, 2017, 10:00:12 pm
Like you Danielle cant understand how you could have been so far out of alignment, but you have saved the day, all about to be fixed. (onwards and upwards!!!!)


Mark
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on October 16, 2017, 10:07:56 pm
OK Danielle....we see you are now using radial spacing for the replacement bow frames..."just like the real thing"

We see the difference in Frames 35......it appears that the presentation of the original Frame has been take in plain End Elevation view without considering that the actual frame is positioned in a radial placement....

The only way to see a true profile of that Frame would have been to view it in End Elevation, but offset by the same angle

If we go one step further back, it certainly could have been that when the original plans were converted or manipulated in the software NaviCad? or DelftShip, that these bow Frames were not marked as from radial placement etc ...

The software can only provide and print out a Frame profile as to the dimensions provided by the person entering these ....so this does explain the human error or misunderstanding

As frustrating as it can be, the only important point is that now you know the hull will be correct :-))....

Derek

BTW.....frames in radial placement offer far greater strength [against the force of water] than frames in angular/straight placement
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on October 23, 2017, 04:31:08 pm
Derek, I checked every frame and from the middle of the ship they are too small .... not my fault .... must be the faulty drawing .... never mind I can do it without the plans.

Today I made 3 frames.
Here the first of the day is already glued in and the second is adapted to fit in.

(https://i.imgur.com/pgNbidV.jpg)

I have to wait 30 min for the glue to set so I decided to start filling up the empty spaces between the first planks. Will give the hull some more stability.

(https://i.imgur.com/gR6vELd.jpg)

Then the big moment where I had to make the first radial frame. No problem sofar ...

(https://i.imgur.com/068NCMA.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/PUiOuJg.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: SailorGreg on October 23, 2017, 04:56:27 pm
Wow! That is one solid hull!  You won't have any problems with some reckless skipper bumping into you - he'll just bounce off!  It is so nice to see a model being built as the full size vessel, and I admire your perseverance in correcting things when you find they are wrong.  I am looking forward to following this build right through to the launch.  :-)) :-))

(Incidentally, I believe the correct shipwright's term for the frames that form the bow is "cant frames".)

Greg
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on October 28, 2017, 04:46:58 pm
Dear Greg, honey on my soul .... wonderful compliments you've made .... thanks a lot!!!!!  :-))

Frame #41 .... another 2-3 have to be done.

(https://i.imgur.com/kEss0nP.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/SNCHz3f.jpg)

... and filling up the gaps ....

(https://i.imgur.com/AAmnw7O.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on October 30, 2017, 05:23:25 pm
Frames 41-43 are glued in .... this work is done. Some of the frames need some adjustements but this will be an easy work. I am happy that the frames are done and came out nicely.

(https://i.imgur.com/Zuhvl2Z.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/YPaT1MD.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/rU0MEvZ.jpg)

I screwed on the frames aluminium profiles to the left and right side. So the frames will stay in place for the next few steps in building the hull.

(https://i.imgur.com/umz2Sbq.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: MikeK on October 31, 2017, 08:51:58 am
A piece of modellers' art, Danielle ! A pleasure to be able to follow the progress, thank you.

Mike
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on November 06, 2017, 03:23:08 pm
Thank you very much Mike.  :-)) :-)) :-))

I glued in the last block between the frames.

(https://i.imgur.com/mWJDjKf.jpg)

Now I can lift the hull from the plank and turn it aroud.
I have to do some corrections on some frames .... I will glue some 1.5mm plywood on it.
The frames with the blue marking need some refit.

(https://i.imgur.com/vuFKh0W.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/0rzP6mS.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/KC0vSkB.jpg)

My finger shows the place where the hull need up to 8mm more wood .... it looks very strange at the moment with two big dents left and right.

(https://i.imgur.com/WELbT8J.jpg)

Weight is still under 5kg

(https://i.imgur.com/mBAijSI.jpg)

I like the overall look of the hull .... after I have made the corrections it will be perfect.

(https://i.imgur.com/oXCxr8K.jpg)

I started with sanding down the stern and bow with my trusty Bosch VibraSander ... its so heavy I cant work more than a couple of minutes with it.

(https://i.imgur.com/lEc5knZ.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on November 06, 2017, 11:08:46 pm
Gorgeous craftsmanship Danielle. Those cant frames make this hull something else  :-)) As per usual all your hard work will be covered with planking, but at least it will be like the real thing.

That sander is a beast isn't it! I am sure I have seen similar tools in workshops mounted on bungees that support them and allow movement.

Maybe I am imagining things  %%
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on November 11, 2017, 08:18:39 pm
Thank you very much ....  :}

I bought a flexible shaft for my drill so I can work much better. A mask and a vaacum cleaner should be on hand all the time.

(https://i.imgur.com/RiLisNx.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/G9deOTA.jpg)

Left side is taking shape ... right one will be done later.

(https://i.imgur.com/EBVTeAq.jpg)

Still some corrections to be done .... I hope the hull will look ok in the end ....

(https://i.imgur.com/5N22nKZ.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: T33cno on November 11, 2017, 08:22:06 pm
Superb  :-))
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on November 12, 2017, 09:53:02 pm
Amen  8)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: jarvo on November 12, 2017, 10:01:02 pm
Your attention to detail is superb, more than the last 2 builds put together


Mark
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on November 13, 2017, 04:37:03 pm
Thanks a lot to you all!!!!!  :-))
Such nice words are much needed at the moment. I was just seconds away from scrapping the whole project and starting another one.
And the I found this usefull Bosch sanding disk with #40 sandpaperdisks in a place where I put it in after buying it some time ago ... I totally forgot it.
My o my .... it does the job in half the time as all other machines together!!! Just keep control of it or it will sand away alf of the ship in no time ....

(https://i.imgur.com/0OBkBe6.jpg)

Here you see the bow section where I haven't done anything sofar.... blue dots mark where I have to add or sand away some material.

(https://i.imgur.com/ACCBUdj.jpg)

This side is nearly finished and is awaiting the planks.

(https://i.imgur.com/iR7Zdjm.jpg)

I will finish this project but I learned my lesson. Never again I will trust in computer generated hull plans. I will copy and draw by hand my next hull and if something goes wrong its my fault.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on November 20, 2017, 03:36:28 pm
Monday is model building day ....  ok2

Firs I made the plank inside the hull ... if there is one to the right one to the left ist a must have!

(https://i.imgur.com/FRysQf9.jpg)

Couldn't resist and did stop sanding the frames. I thought if I do the planks now I will see if the shape of the hull is ok or not much better! And its less dusty!!!!
The planks are cut by myself and about 13x4mm .... I may have to use some humidity to get some of them bend to the right shape. These two went very well and I used less clamps as normally for this job.

(https://i.imgur.com/3slWMzP.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/aPOQL87.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/OHCstFG.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ASWaNQ6.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: SailorGreg on November 20, 2017, 05:15:36 pm
 :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on November 20, 2017, 06:57:03 pm
If in doubt have a small project to fiddle with while your frustration with another project wanes and you can see other colours than red!

This will be a beautiful hull Danielle.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on November 21, 2017, 12:14:22 am

Actually with a few more frames no planking would be necessary. O0 O0 O0

Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on November 23, 2017, 07:01:39 pm
You're right .... a few more frames and the hull would have been finished. BUT sanding this hard plywood is not what I like to do!

One row of planks glued to the hull ... always one to the left and one to the right.

(https://i.imgur.com/co7SnTf.jpg)​

Its going on fast but it will take week or months to finish the job.

(https://i.imgur.com/FEeSrJB.jpg)​



This pictures show how I have planned to put in the nails .... there will be tousands of nails at the end. I will put them in saltwater first and I hope they will get rusty asap! I hope that the rust will break trough the color and will be a nice weathering effect.
​(https://i.imgur.com/pttH89T.jpg)


(https://i.imgur.com/McEYXAb.jpg)​​

Now the hull starts to show its shape nicely ....(https://i.imgur.com/dMjZP40.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on November 23, 2017, 09:07:55 pm
It might be worth checking on the long term effects of pre rusting your nails just in case they keep on rusting with catastrophic results- possibly joins giving way or holes allowing water into your wooden frames and causing problems.

I might be worrying over much but you will have a lovely model and I don't want to see it age prematurely  %%
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on November 23, 2017, 10:36:06 pm
Danielle....

100 years ago, builders used Iron nails in boat construction, and today Galvanized bolts are used in temporary hull repair work

We understand that your Steel nails would only be cosmetic as the planking is glued to the frames and these joints were supported by clamps during the curing of the glue

In todays full size wooden boat building of this type and form of build, bronze bolts are used as the main element of holding the planks to the frames, and secondary bronze nails are used to assist the structure

The nail evidence you see in the full sized vessel is a result not of corrosion but a mechanical occurrence .......the timber planking even though protected externally and internally on and within the vessel by a painting system, has a moisture content [~~8 to 10%?]...so this timber will expand and contract with variations in temperature

So the head of the bronze bolt or nail remains stable and stationary, however the wood surrounding the fasteners can move, hence the circular cracking [the diameter] of the nail or bolt head size you see in the paint work 

I must agree here with Ian......if corrosion commenced on your 1.5 mm diameter steel pin nails.....with moisture even from the atmosphere would initially blister the paint work and the with the presence of oxygen ......continue to corrode down in the diameter of the nails......in a few years the hull surface would be visually catastrophically damaged

Why not go back to some trawler builder friends and get their thoughts of steel nails in wooden hulled vessels

I am sure you vessel will have many brackets and plates that you could manufacture from steel plate or shim and you could prematurely rust these for effect...without affect  %)

Derek

Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: warspite on November 24, 2017, 09:46:36 am
Seen yesterday passing through Manchester airport was a guy wearing a jacket with a ship name and F number on the back, seen to remember the name of the ship, but I've slept since then and forgotten which ship but I am sure it was on one of the trawler men programmes, which is why it triggered the memory, alzhiemers - its a  -what were we talking about?  {:-{
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on November 25, 2017, 04:53:19 am
This is the effect of rust is am looking for .... on the bow .... the rust streaks are from rusting nails. They are hammered into predrilled holes.

(https://i.imgur.com/AIYLWZZ.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: david48 on November 25, 2017, 07:46:48 am
You could try dabbing a strong salt solution on the nail head before painting ,do not use all steel nails just a few and  the rest copper pins , if you use all steel pin and they all rust it might be too much.
David
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: JimG on November 25, 2017, 11:19:54 am
You may not get the external rust you are looking for but will probably get an interaction with the wood around the nails. I have an old yacht where the planks were screwed on with steel screws. The wood around many of the screws have blackened and stuck to the screw. I tried removing them to replace them with brass screws and was unable to remove the screw without damaging the surrounding wood. The yacht in its 80  years had been varnished and painted at different times.
Jim
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Mark T on November 26, 2017, 01:15:46 pm
Hi Danielle I've been giving this some thought and I can see why you want to use rusted steel nails to get the real authenticity onto your build.  It just follows with the patience that you have put into all of the framework so far.  Having said that I think that it would take a very long time to actually get the look that you want which got me thinking about your previous build.


Why not use nails to keep the authenticity that you want and then use your skills with your airbrush to make it look old.  You achieved this with the Cornelia Marie so well so why not do it again? Just a thought from me, and keep the pictures coming as it really is a great build that you are doing there  :-)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: bfgstew on November 26, 2017, 01:33:44 pm
I am in agreement with the others Danielle. I think once the nails start to rust it will lead to problems with the paint/laquer lifting and ruining the hull. Go with the suggestion by Mark.
By the way, just love this hull, would not want to get in the way of it on a pond......keep up the good work....... :-))


Stewart
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on November 27, 2017, 04:26:41 am
Ok you're right! I will use the nails but I will not try to get them rusty. I will use my drybrush weathering techniques (like I did on the Cornelia Marie) to have a well used and abused trawler ....  ok2
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on November 27, 2017, 04:53:10 pm
As usual I added a few "easy" planks as warm-up.

(https://i.imgur.com/mvTGQmX.jpg)

... the I added a few more and even two the go to the bow. These are the most difficult ones and I normaly leave them till the end.

(https://i.imgur.com/gig1Mrl.jpg)

Just to show you how I will add the nails. First drill the holes with a 0.8mm drill. Then a little bit of countersink by hand.
Nails are 1x10mm

(https://i.imgur.com/5XdgtrA.jpg)

Use a small hammer to get the nails in. And a steel rod to get the head in. Maybe I do not have to countersink the holes .... I'll try it out another day.
The rest of the nails will be added after I finished the hull. Sanded and ready for paint.

(https://i.imgur.com/4fepkXG.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: david48 on November 28, 2017, 12:21:20 am

Have you tried a pin push , just drop the pin the tool its held by a  magnet place tool where you want said pin push handle ,job done . It saves all the shock from the hammer.
David
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on December 04, 2017, 03:05:49 pm
As I drill a hole first i manage to get the nail in with one atomic hit from my big hammer ...  :}

More planks today....

(https://i.imgur.com/BYkTr7p.jpg)

Tried to get the planks sorted out at the stern ...

(https://i.imgur.com/u3D7gVx.jpg)

The bow .... you need to be very clever to place the clmp t the exact spot!

(https://i.imgur.com/bHmgui7.jpg)

Slowly it begins to look like a hull and I start to think about how it will swim in the bathtub ....  ok2

(https://i.imgur.com/rlF95km.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on December 04, 2017, 11:29:33 pm
'Slowly it begins to look like a hull and I start to think about how it will swim in the bathtub ....  (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/Smileys/Tug/wink1.gif) '

Hopefully the right way up and without any pools forming in the bilges Danielle  :} Seriously though, I like the planking, I bet your boat building cave smells lovely of wod and ply.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on December 07, 2017, 06:51:18 pm
Yes my woodworking cave smells lovely of wood, burnt plywood (if I am sanding or miling it) and glue and of freshly washed clothes if the washer and dryer are in use ....Lavender.

Today is nailday ..... hehe .... not fingernails ....
First you have to drill a lot of holes .... too many for my liking!
Then each one needs a 1x10 nail .... I will build in 1/6 scale the next time!!!!

(https://i.imgur.com/pe33WyO.jpg)

After that you have to hammer in all of them a little bit .... if not they will fall out!!!

(https://i.imgur.com/XHANFki.jpg)

Then you can use your muscles to get the nails in! No need to take care of anything .... all in they go asap.

(https://i.imgur.com/uRgdGFM.jpg)

All hammered in and with the help of a steel needle (3mm dia. and no point) you can hammer in the nailhead into the planks.

(https://i.imgur.com/V2Bl7YQ.jpg)

Sanded it down a little bit. Should one nailhead be still to high hammer it in a little bit more.

(https://i.imgur.com/xmKSJ7M.jpg)

The downside of it .... you can't do much more in one go before going nuts! %%
I will do it plank after plank or just in small sections in the future.
So my friends ... thats all for today!  ok2
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: T33cno on December 07, 2017, 07:00:39 pm
Love it  :-))
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: SailorGreg on December 07, 2017, 08:01:07 pm
 :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on December 07, 2017, 10:18:55 pm
Banging! I think you've nailed it Danielle (I'll get my coat.....  :embarrassed:

Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Tafelspitz on December 08, 2017, 09:29:36 am
Banging! I think you've nailed it Danielle (I'll get my coat.....  :embarrassed:


Yes, you hit the nail on its head  O0
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: jarvo on December 08, 2017, 10:53:16 am
Not your thumb
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on December 09, 2017, 04:55:09 pm
You are all too funny!!! :}

Today I thought why not glueing on the plank and nail it to the hull in one go .... it would safe all the work with the clamp!!
I've done it and it works very well!!!

(https://i.imgur.com/PXYoup9.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Uo2ffwd.jpg)

The last plank was one on the bow which is normaly tricky for the clamps as they do not work well there.
No problem! With just one clamp and the nails the plank is held firmly in place!

(https://i.imgur.com/wBGU5gC.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on December 09, 2017, 07:19:56 pm
Being quite thin, I would have though that three nails in each frame would be enough to hold the plank in place especially as the wood is new and the curve is not extreme. It will save you loads of time Danielle.

Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on December 09, 2017, 07:24:57 pm
PM sent Ian....I needed to take my shoes off to count out the answer  %)....... Derek
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on December 09, 2017, 07:39:40 pm
Message replied to says he shaking head and rolling eyes! Two should still be enough for 1/8th strip especially fresh timber as is evident in the piccies.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on December 10, 2017, 05:25:18 am
Pictures from real life hulls show 2-3 bolts per frame .... I decided for two which are enough ....  ok2
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on December 12, 2017, 05:40:16 pm
Impossible to post anything at the moment ..... {:-{

Won't load my post with the pictures .....

 
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: T33cno on December 12, 2017, 05:42:55 pm
Impossible to post anything at the moment ..... {:-{

Won't load my post with the pictures .....


Yes I've struggling today even hosting my own photos.Forum is sluggish to accept the post button
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on December 12, 2017, 08:03:24 pm
Trial of an image already posted........uploaded near instantly missyd
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on December 13, 2017, 03:24:15 am

Must be because we are upside down that we don't have trouble posting that's weird???? %% %% {-) {-)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on December 14, 2017, 05:20:58 pm
I give up .... still not possible to post something with pictures ..... I tried to upload my pics into the forums pictureserver .... it wont accept my username nor my password .... I give up .... !
Please delete my building tread then without pics it makes no sense to write into it!!
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: T33cno on December 14, 2017, 07:01:34 pm
I give up .... still not possible to post something with pictures ..... I tried to upload my pics into the forums pictureserver .... it wont accept my username nor my password .... I give up .... !
Please delete my building tread then without pics it makes no sense to write into it!!


It won't even post my own hosted images, by the time I finish typing and press the post button its already timed out and comes up error! quickly copying and pasting the same message still fails to add the images. The modify time is far too short as well BIG gripe
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on December 14, 2017, 08:28:40 pm
Danielle............. >>:-( please do not make  a request to delete your build thread......I have sent you a PM, with my landline e-mail address...this is also freely available in my profile

You e-mail the images to me & I will post them in your thread for you.....it would be best to add just a few words with each image...I can copy & past those words so to be seamless :-))

More than happy to do this until your host/ISP issue is resolved

Derek
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on December 15, 2017, 04:15:40 am
OK....here we go.....

Here is the text for the posting from Danielle....

The hull weights 4.5kg .... I think it may end up 5.5kg after the planks are done.
No need for clamps etc anymore .... I just love it .... hammering in nails is more fun than hampering with clamps and other things that fall off all the time.
The 1-2" near the keel will be planked later.
Pic1
Pictures at the end of the day...
Pic2
Pic3
Pic4
 
Cheers
Danielle
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on December 15, 2017, 04:28:02 am
Danielle.....

The first images posted without a hitch O0

Could I ask that the next images be in the same order reference Pic5, Pic6, Pic7, Pic8  etc........I don't used any such simple image convention ...so from your e-mail, I save the individual files back to a ZIP drive prior to posting on MBM, they will be so easy to find for me to attach to your thread

I am sure that Martin will find the issue.......but I am more than happy to post your hull & build images progress ..........

[PS ..I resize my own images to 1025 x 577 pixels.........and end up at sub 300 KB.......these are larger than your ~~185 KB file you sent to me]

Derek
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on December 15, 2017, 10:28:11 am

Hi Danielle,

May I suggest joining the Mayhem's picture site with a new name and signing in details.

I had to do this myself as it doesn't accept certain sequences of letters or numbers.

Once you have  'joined up', then open this site alongside the Mayhem's site and switch between the two when posting.

Hope this helps

ken

Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on December 15, 2017, 04:02:48 pm
Thank you very much Derek .... thats a top class service ....  :-)) :-)) :-)) :kiss:

Ken I will try it with a new username/password
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on December 15, 2017, 09:58:36 pm
Top chap Derek.

I would hate to miss the development of your latest work Danielle and do so hope that you can sort out your accessability problems.

Wishing you a speedy resolution  :-))
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on December 19, 2017, 04:20:21 am
Yes I hope the forum will accept my postings in the future ..... at the moment its frustrating .... I can post only the words without the pictures ....
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on December 19, 2017, 05:47:00 am

Danielle,
Is that bonzer bloke Derek, still agreeable to post them for you while the problem is being sorted???
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on December 19, 2017, 06:09:18 am
Yes.....Danielle has an open order offer to e-mail images to me, for me to post...she offered a  :kiss: .....but little does she realise when I next get to Switzerland it will be a glass or 2 of Schapps  {-)

Derek 
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Tafelspitz on December 19, 2017, 07:19:37 am
Wait a minute, wait aminute... "she"? Did I miss something here?  (https://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/konfus/a015.gif)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: MikeK on December 19, 2017, 11:10:54 am
Wait a minute, wait aminute... "she"? Did I miss something here?  (https://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/konfus/a015.gif)

No you didn't - The best amateur lady modeller around, I reckon  O0

Mike
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on December 19, 2017, 04:04:30 pm
Yes.....Danielle has an open order offer to e-mail images to me, for me to post...she offered a  :kiss: .....but little does she realise when I next get to Switzerland it will be a glass or 2 of Schapps  {-)

Derek

No problem with the schnaps .... maybe we do a little competition to see who is laying under the table faster ....  ;)

Derek ... did you get my enail with the next posting and pics?
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on December 19, 2017, 08:49:54 pm
No second e-mail with images & text Danielle  :o ....suggest you resend ASAP.......Derek
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: bfgstew on December 19, 2017, 09:07:00 pm
No problem with the schnaps .... maybe we do a little competition to see who is laying under the table faster ....  ;)


My money is on Danielle.......still standing that is..... :-))
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Tafelspitz on December 20, 2017, 07:55:17 pm
No you didn't - The best amateur lady modeller around, I reckon  O0

Mike


Ah, very cool indeed. I somehow assumed she was a bloke. Sorry for that  :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on December 21, 2017, 04:36:45 am
Derek I resent the email .... posting pics is impossible. :(( >:-o >>:-(
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on December 21, 2017, 05:01:39 am
OK....here  we go /2.......

Here is the text for the posting from Danielle............

TEXT:
Today I made a guide form my bandsaw…. Cutting the plank with a smaller guide … the results where terrible.
Pic5
And more planks done to left and right side ….
Pic6
As the planks are not all the same thickness the hull looks a little bit funy …. I think I planked half of the hull.
Pic7
I have planty of time at the moment to work on my model.
My new job turned out to be a nightmare so I decided to get fired again after 2 months working there.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on December 21, 2017, 08:57:19 am
Derek,

Keep up the good work and you'll most likely be in the running for duel dual Swiss citizenship  %) %)

Seriously the photo problems are a bummer for all threads.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on December 21, 2017, 10:42:55 am
What dueling swords over a few wood chips with a model ship builder that drinks Schnapps :o....no thanks ....

bfgstew already his money on Danielle still standing with me asleep under the table   
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on December 21, 2017, 12:11:56 pm
Thanks a lot Derek!!! TOP SERVICE!!!! :-)) :-)) :-))

I finished planking the lower part of the hull today. Did some sanding as well. No pics today as you can imagine what I did from the previous pictures ....  ok2
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Brian60 on December 21, 2017, 12:34:30 pm
No you didn't - The best amateur lady modeller around, I reckon  O0

Mike

Could be disputed here, what about Umi (Aimee)?? although it could be argued that UMi is a professional builder :}

Your build is coming on nicely missy, I wouldn't bother too much about the planking, most planked ships you see have a few that don't lay completely flat. A bit of sanding will take care of it.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: MickyK on December 21, 2017, 07:44:57 pm
Could be disputed here, what about Umi (Aimee)?? although it could be argued that UMi is a professional builder :}

Your build is coming on nicely missy, I wouldn't bother too much about the planking, most planked ships you see have a few that don't lay completely flat. A bit of sanding will take care of it.


I thought about that when I posted and made the reply based on the fact that I believed Umi had a business in modelling, anyway what the hell - they are both great modellers !!  O0 :}


Merry Xmas one and all   :-))

Ps if anyone noticed the different title on my post, it’s because my iPad refused to use to find my original name.

Mike
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on December 21, 2017, 10:47:05 pm
So Brian60 says......

'I wouldn't bother too much about the planking, most planked ships you see have a few that don't lay completely flat'

I do agree here Danielle..... maybe time to take a rest & have a few glasses of Schnapps & think about the final external surface of the planked hull

Will it be simply painted just like real ships that show the planking lines?, or bogged up with filler and externally fibre glassed?....

I understand your preference for an authentic planked look ....so why not try & understand the whole concept

So for water tight integrity, most employ the glass + resin, although this can be applied internally & leave the externals to be varnished or painted

Some could rightly suggest this manner will leave the external planking subject to mechanical or impact damage in the water, and yes this is so......if or when it happens you follow the same procedure as real vessels and put the model on the slips and correct the damage

In the 4th Century BC, the Chinese painted the undersides and some externals and the internals of their wooden vessels  with TUNG Oil...then after a drying period painted some externals with bright colours

TUNG Oil is commercially available in 1 litre tins for about $54.00........all just food for thought  %)............Derek

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tung_oil
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on December 21, 2017, 11:24:02 pm

Is that tung in cheek, ya know plank cheeks %) %) %)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on December 22, 2017, 12:58:31 am
No....one day, [our dear Lord prevailing] I will build another wooden planked open decked paddle vessel similar to the image.....she will be approx. 1600 mm long with a displacement of some 12 kg......

Yes, painted and protected with Feast Watson TUNG Oil internally and externally & Feast Watson Proof Tint Stain & Feast Watson Wax externals %)

Every rough sawn horizontal plank with the vertical uprights and bronze headed nail will be visible O0 ........same will apply to the deck railings...oh I got the price wrong.......today Bunnings have the 1litre tin for $38.50 

[sorry to HOG your thread Danielle, however the more I read about TUNG Oil......the more I like it]

Derek
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: jarvo on December 22, 2017, 08:41:26 am
Hi Derek, Bunnings have opened up over here, they bought the old Homebase chain, like B&Q, will pop in and see if they stock this stuff, though they are still going through the change over, new stores are Bunnings old ones are having a sale in the new year then changing when the homebase products have sold out


Mark
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on December 23, 2017, 04:59:55 am
Just love the idea of a open deck paddle steamer with tungoiled wood .... I will order some tung oil to make the internals of my model waterthight. I think it will look nicer than using grey color as I did before.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on January 03, 2018, 04:11:00 am
Test .... seems the server problem is solved ....  :-)) :}

(https://i.imgur.com/p17S6aP.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on January 03, 2018, 05:02:37 am
OK....compliments of the season Danielle.......we see the test image  :-))....

Mind you it would appear  %)......that not much progress has been made over the Christmas break

Been on the Caviar & Schnapps?  {-)

Derek
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on January 03, 2018, 11:47:19 pm
Hooray! Danielle and Mady Jean are back  :-)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on January 04, 2018, 04:26:30 am
Seems the forum is working again! :-))
I did not do any work over christmas break. I needed a break.
Now for the new year I should first finish the N. Loredana. Just the trawldoors have to be made and then I can deliver it.
We had some schnaps to celebrate but not too much...  ok2
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on January 04, 2018, 08:56:25 pm
Moderation is a good thing  :-))
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne" #2
Post by: missyd on January 16, 2018, 03:51:20 pm
Here I am again!!!!
After thinking about for a longe time .... I decided to rebuild the hull!
But not this one but a different one which is nice in my eyes.
I bought all plans for trawler from brittany off the internet. So I could choose which one I wanted to use.

The ship will be in 1/10 scale and 135cm long and 48cm wide. I think its on the big side but it will have a lot of room for gadgets!!!!!
Not shure about the shape of the wheelhouse .... We'll see later.
I will use a lot of frames and a lot of nails!!!!

(https://i.imgur.com/nH3iduq.jpg?1)

I started to draw the keel which is in 1/15 scale on the drawing.

(https://i.imgur.com/BJlByuI.jpg)

I will use the same tread as it will have the same name ....
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: SailorGreg on January 16, 2018, 04:08:08 pm
Oh - why the change of heart? I thought Mady Jeanne was a handsome shape, and your build was a pleasure to watch.  It's a shame she won't get finished -  :(( :(( - but I am sure the next build will be even better!  :} :}   Looking forward to it.

Greg
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on January 16, 2018, 07:27:08 pm
Oh - why the change of heart? I thought Mady Jeanne was a handsome shape, and your build was a pleasure to watch.  It's a shame she won't get finished -  :(( :(( - but I am sure the next build will be even better!  :} :}   Looking forward to it.

Greg

On the pictures it looks handsome but if I look at it .... mistakes mistakes and more mistakes .... shapes I do not like at all. I put it in storage and maybe one day I may finish it .... I will keep the name and the look of the wheelhouse. Just a better and nicer hull we be built!
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on January 16, 2018, 08:08:25 pm
Fair enough. We are all our own worse critics and you wil always feel she is not all right and that would mar your enjoyment in the long term, so starting again is a fresh slate and you can incorporate all your experiences with Hull #1 into the new work.

I'm looking forward to seeing your new work already!
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: T33cno on January 16, 2018, 08:10:03 pm
Just the words I were searching for Ian
Best wishes Danielle  :-))  Love your work.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: jarvo on January 16, 2018, 09:33:33 pm
Hi Danielle, looks to be a tubby hull and a big wheelhouse, sorry but not as attractive as Mady Jeanne, my thoughts only !!!!


Mark


PS. What about a side by side build???  You have taken Mady this far
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on January 17, 2018, 07:36:45 am
The hull is a little more beefy but looking at the frames its huge and spacy .... the frame in the middle has a width of 48cm and is 32cm high!!!
It has been drawn and built from a experienced model ship builder and he made a award winning model out of it!
Give me some time to get things started .....  ok2
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Big Ada on January 17, 2018, 04:52:41 pm
Wow, that is going to be Heavy. Have you thought about making the Hull free Flooding to save on weight.

Love your builds.

Len.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on January 17, 2018, 07:40:14 pm
Today I started with the drawings!!!! Original lenght is 13.5m and in 1/10 scale its 135cm!!! HUGE!!!!  :}

(https://i.imgur.com/f2YhVXl.jpg)

.... end of the day I had the keel drawn on paper .... tomorrow I can cut the first oak profiles.
New keel and "old hull keel" ... massive! It will create some transport problems but I couldn't resist ... such a big scale leaves the door open for excellent details which will be big and can be made using brass, iron, steel, copper .... etc etc

(https://i.imgur.com/gBOBm40.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on January 17, 2018, 09:43:57 pm
Crikey, you are zooming along already! There was definitly an elegance about the constructio of Mady Jean #1 regarding joints etc, and hope you get as much enjoyment from the initial build of #2. The first, while having issues you identified, the structure was a work of art and redolent of BB's carpentary. This one should be as interesting now you mention Oak!!!!!
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on January 17, 2018, 11:01:27 pm
now you mention Oak........

from memory, the stem & stern posts & keel plate of the original Mady build were also of Oak  O0..............

Danielle......I am concerned with the final displacement <*<  and how it will be handled?..........

Here is an image to a 1983 build of model Galaxie ...LS331146................

Derek


Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on January 18, 2018, 04:24:59 am
Thanks a lot!  :-))
As said before .... the old hull goes into storage and can be turned into a fine model later!
Well with the plan from the MRB Magazine I also bought copies of the original two articles in the MRB magazine of 1983!
I hope you can understand why I redo the hull. I learned a lot from my mistakes with the first hull and the new one will be made exactly the same way but without all the mistakes resulting from using this f@#@d up Delftship plan!!!!
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on January 18, 2018, 06:28:28 am
Well Danielle......2018 will the year and rebirth of another magnificent wooden planked hull......

I am sure reading the 2 articles on the 1983 build would have been interesting ;)

Many will be watching on in support

Derek
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Tafelspitz on January 18, 2018, 07:02:06 am
Wow... although I'm a bit sad to see your wonderful model going to starage, I'm looking forward to spy in on your new project as well.
Keep up the grat work. It's paramount to have fun with what you do  :-))
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on January 18, 2018, 04:21:57 pm
Thanks a lot you two ....  :-)) :-))
Funny to start another hull in such a short time. I will build it more accurate than before. I will draw the frames one after another just like they do in real life.

Prop is a 80mm one .... plan says 75mm .... never mind. Nobody will notice the difference.

(https://i.imgur.com/utK1vOf.jpg?1)

This removeable part is important. If I have to dismantle the rudder it will be much easier.

(https://i.imgur.com/soVf2ZN.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/7kwJqnR.jpg)

Here I add the second oak profile (30x15mm) that goes to the bow ....

(https://i.imgur.com/xlnkajg.jpg)

.... glueing the part together. This time I will use M3 treaded rod and hex nut to reinforce the seam.

(https://i.imgur.com/J4MGdc6.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on January 18, 2018, 08:44:21 pm
That's a lovely bit of scarfeing there Danielle  :-)) I can smell the sawdust  :}
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on January 18, 2018, 09:10:53 pm
Danielle....

Just wondering.....is the plan not 1:15?.....so if propeller size is 75, at 1:20...the new sizing is 99.75....or 100..... this may explain why your 80 diameter propeller looks too high above the stern skeg ?????

Derek
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on January 19, 2018, 04:23:25 am
Plan is 1/15 with a 50mm prop ... so in 1/10 must be 75mm prop .... or do I slept during the mathematics in school??? %)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on January 19, 2018, 04:48:50 am
Ahah........when you said plan = 75, I had not realised you were clearly awake during mathematics @ school  {-)

It is just that the 75 diameter prop ['welle = shaft'] looks to be on high axis  <*< as you have shown thus the propeller sits high off the stern post skeg...............

[I learn to translate where a question occurs]
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on January 19, 2018, 05:52:11 pm
Propshaft is exactly where it should be ...

(https://i.imgur.com/x94ga8V.jpg)

... anyway ... I used another method to get the keel and bowupright together ....

(https://i.imgur.com/DW6LQx8.jpg)

The bow assembly ready to be glued together.

(https://i.imgur.com/T7hn5ga.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne Mark II"
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on January 20, 2018, 01:16:29 am

I think you made the right choice as the plan indicates a fine looking subject, as they say go get em. :-)) :-))

The only one who will know of any slipups is yourself so don't tell O0 O0

Have suggested a minor thread title change.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on January 20, 2018, 02:42:24 am
OK......

1. I understand the 'welle' [propeller shaft] is in the correct position as drawn
2. I accept that the plan @ 1:15 nominates a propeller of 50 diameter

Plans can be drawn by people who do not necessarily understand

3. The French Vessel Registration of LS 331146  was Galaxie, however the Registration number carried over to the name La Madorea
4. In 1976, La Madorea is listed as 12.88M and  24.19 tonnes...no images of her propeller are shown in the WEB site
5. In 1977, Ker Leguer from the same WEB site  similar vessel is listed as 11.94M and 23.56 tonnes....a number of images of rudder and propeller are shown on the same WEB site ....I will post this note then attach the WEB site which is worth viewing  %)

So I am not talking about the Nozzle Ring being installed on the Ker Leguer, just the relative size of her propeller

Derek

http://cnavale.quennetier.free.fr/spip.php?article177
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on January 20, 2018, 04:35:36 am
Thanks a lot for the link and informations .... there is enough room for a bigger propeller should it be neccesary.  ok2
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on January 20, 2018, 05:52:21 pm
I was never happy with drilling the 8mm dia. hole for the propshaft. So I decided to try a new method this time. I milled the opening into the keel section. Then I will glue in the propshaftassembly, before I will glue the parts together. This way the shaft will be 100% square ....
Milling the keel section...

(https://i.imgur.com/fBHFndN.jpg)

How it looks after milling.

(https://i.imgur.com/un7lflJ.jpg)

.... and how it will look after the parts will be glued together ... the propshaft needs a small tube to get some grease into it without taking everything apart.

(https://i.imgur.com/uwNEdcZ.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: jarvo on January 20, 2018, 05:58:03 pm
NICE. Alternative thinking. Such a long drilling could have been a disaster, well thought through


Mark
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Mark T on January 20, 2018, 07:37:04 pm
Lovely - just lovely after a very brave decision to start again  :-)   A fantastic solution for the prop shaft and all of that oak too.  Keep the updates coming Danielle  :-))
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on January 21, 2018, 07:38:55 pm
Today I copied the first 5 frames .... first on thin paper (the one with the mm lines) and the on thick Photopaper. I worked exactly as it will pay off in the future.

(https://i.imgur.com/v8Yxfyg.jpg)

5 pieces ready .... there are 10 frames drawn on the plan .... you can guess it? Yes I will be adding some more .... 27 in total .... 3 between each other frame!

(https://i.imgur.com/eych1Iq.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on January 22, 2018, 06:25:11 pm
Glueing in the propshaft ....

(https://i.imgur.com/6ejXdUJ.jpg)

Made the stern parts  ....

(https://i.imgur.com/a9wEDzR.jpg)

Glueing the keel to the propshaft part ...

(https://i.imgur.com/5ohVBzQ.jpg)

Glueing the stern part ....

(https://i.imgur.com/uf0RbcU.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on January 22, 2018, 07:49:34 pm
Fantastic carpentary Danielle  :-)) I like the shape of that keel piece.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Tafelspitz on January 22, 2018, 08:42:24 pm
You're making very fast progress and in high quality  :-))  love watching!
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on January 23, 2018, 04:45:43 pm
Thanks a lot my friends!!!!  :-)) :-)) :-))

This time I will fix the keel to the working piece of table top. I also doublechecked the right angle of it.

(https://i.imgur.com/MGzVoQK.jpg?1)

Then it was time to glue the stern part to the keel.

(https://i.imgur.com/9KMv3qZ.jpg)

I made a picture of the "old" hull and the keel of the new one. The new one is very big!!!!

(https://i.imgur.com/sThc1Vc.jpg)

This time I used metalangles which where screwed into the tabletop. I also used a M3 screw to fix the stern securely.

(https://i.imgur.com/Bsgfuex.jpg)

The stern is also fixed with a M3 screw. I can unscrew to front and the back screw and lift the keel from the tabletop.

(https://i.imgur.com/8Ei7Lp2.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/1rwPbpV.jpg)

I used leftover cheap plywood to quickly make one frame. Just for the fun of it!!! The frame is around 30cm wide ....

(https://i.imgur.com/pRNr5dU.jpg)

Overall view of today work ....

(https://i.imgur.com/1pxFviA.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: jarvo on January 23, 2018, 06:51:03 pm
Oh, that looks to be a real beast, plenty of power needed to control it!!!!!  What motor are you looking at????


Mark
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on January 23, 2018, 08:11:28 pm
 :-)) :-)) :-))
I have no idea for the motor .... I like smaller but geared motors. The Loredana has a Krick MAX GEAR motor (540) with 6:1 reduction. Makes some 2200rpm (Original has a top rpm of 1800rpm) which resulted in a very realistic "ride" on the lake.

https://www.racingmodellbau.ch/schiffsmodellbau/antriebe-und-zubehor/max-gear-getriebemotor-6-1 (https://www.racingmodellbau.ch/schiffsmodellbau/antriebe-und-zubehor/max-gear-getriebemotor-6-1)

I think for this bigger trawler I need a bigger motor with a strudy gearbox. Propsize is 80mm (same as Loredana). Weight should be around 30kg.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Tafelspitz on January 23, 2018, 08:13:40 pm
Holy moly. You're gonna need a bigger lake for this puppy  {-)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on January 24, 2018, 03:54:51 am
I think with this big model I can go to any bigger lake even if there are really big waves!!!!!  ok2
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: GAZOU on January 24, 2018, 08:23:37 am
Céci regarde:
(http://navi.modelisme.com/article313.html)
    [78% = taille]http (http://navi.modelisme.com/article313.html)[/ size]//navi.modelisme.com/article313.html (http://navi.modelisme.com/article313.html)


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Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on January 24, 2018, 09:31:40 am
Céci regarde:
(http://navi.modelisme.com/article313.html)
    [78% = taille]http (http://navi.modelisme.com/article313.html)[/ size]//navi.modelisme.com/article313.html (http://navi.modelisme.com/article313.html)


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Merci beaucoup pour le lien tres interessant! Je vais lire tous sur ce modèle fantastique!!!!  :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on January 24, 2018, 09:38:36 am


Please keep to the  English language.      :}

Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Tafelspitz on January 24, 2018, 02:03:34 pm
About 45% of all English words have a French origin... so they're, technically, only half deviating from the English language  ok2
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Big Ada on January 24, 2018, 04:37:03 pm
Well, can we have the French 45% Translated please,  :-))
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on January 24, 2018, 05:10:27 pm
Sorry I couldn't resist and write in french .... I grew up in a bilingual family ... swiss-german and french!
I just wrote "Thank you very much for the useful link. I will everything concerning this model asap!"

First frame is glued in! The cutout was made slighty smaller that neccessary and with the help of my trusty little flat file I got a 100% exact fit. The plywood in aircraft quality is just the best one I ever had .... sawing, filing etc goes really good and its much more sturdy than the usual cheaper one from my DIY store. Its expensive .... 4 pcs. 1000x500x5mm sheets cost me 200 CHF ...

(https://i.imgur.com/2T0uhKZ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/WpckJuh.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/tjigUF2.jpg)

As you may think I will add a second frame to the first one to have a thickness of 10mm/frame. But it will reach only to the deck.

(https://i.imgur.com/xQlW7pi.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on January 25, 2018, 08:56:33 pm
The second stern-frame ist glued in...

(https://i.imgur.com/qpZlmzm.jpg)

The axle for the rudder is drilled .... took some time to get the angles and position right with my proxxon drill....

(https://i.imgur.com/1C6zzca.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/KsqRiNo.jpg)

The spacers between the frame are glued in .... this method is more accurate than to make the openings into the keel.

(https://i.imgur.com/0lnEUcJ.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on January 26, 2018, 04:00:33 pm
I hope there is enough space for a propchange without taking off the rudder .... %)

(https://i.imgur.com/RO7tZaU.jpg)

The frames a re made in sektions like I did on the first hull. It is essential to work exactly and tidy.

(https://i.imgur.com/nNmn0uG.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/8mSrt5g.jpg)

... and glued to the keel.

(https://i.imgur.com/eNNy7Wc.jpg)

Here I glued in the shaft bearing with UHU metal glue. The last time I did solder the two parts together ....

(https://i.imgur.com/sYQRt07.jpg)

... and the next frame is glued in place. In between there will be another 3 frames I still have to build. As the frames are 10mm thick I choose to have some more spacing between them.

(https://i.imgur.com/IPOFLd3.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: chipchase on January 26, 2018, 04:40:12 pm
Looking Good Danielle  :-))
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on January 27, 2018, 01:24:47 pm
Thanks a lot!!!  :-))

Here frame #3 and on the plywood the parts for 2x frame #3!!! Incredible how much wood is saved by using this method!!!

(https://i.imgur.com/2RVUVqp.jpg)

Here all the parts for frame #3 ...

(https://i.imgur.com/cv0aAn9.jpg)

The propshaft needs some space ....

(https://i.imgur.com/DBKRMdF.jpg)

Spant #3 glued in. To the right you can see my selfmade control system. With it I can check if every thing has the right height etc ....

(https://i.imgur.com/y2TLJxm.jpg)

Before I can proceed with frame #4 I must write down some measurements from the original plan. Without them I may and up with a funny looking new hull ....
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on January 27, 2018, 08:23:10 pm
Ahah......this gap is much smaller  :-)) than the Draftsperson {-) drew in the Plan..............

Also we see a stainless steel ZZ shielded ball bearing for the inboard end of your prop shaft stern bearing gland :-))......do you have a similar but smaller similar bearing for the outboard end?

Derek
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on January 28, 2018, 05:41:21 pm
Yes you're right about the spacing below the prop. I moved the hole thing a few mm down to have an even space after planking. Planks will be 5mm thick. I had a big problem with the Loredana where I forgot the thickness of the planks and in the end the prop was way to high.

The outboard end is a simple Delrin bearing .... its a normal shaft from Raboesch ....

http://www.raboeschmodels.com/index.php/nl/component/virtuemart/marine-accessories/propeller-shaft-301-series-07-10-detail?Itemid=0 (http://www.raboeschmodels.com/index.php/nl/component/virtuemart/marine-accessories/propeller-shaft-301-series-07-10-detail?Itemid=0)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on January 29, 2018, 07:31:11 pm
I wasn't happy with frame #2 sitting to high on the keel .... after a few thoughts I took it out and reglued it in some 10mm lower. Cutting it in half and adding a new part in the middle and secured it with 4 screws. After planking I can take out the screws.

(https://i.imgur.com/x7KBEOm.jpg)

Todays morning work .....

(https://i.imgur.com/9yy9vBy.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/mEtsvB3.jpg)

In the afternoon I glued in #4 and started to copy the remaining frames on fotopaper.

(https://i.imgur.com/UG2O8iS.jpg)

I have to admit the only a few measurement are exactly the same as on the plan .... they are totally different .... example: Waterline 194mm above ground .... actually its 230mm on my hull. And I took all measurements from the 1/15 plan ..... :-X
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on January 29, 2018, 09:22:16 pm
Those plans can be more hassle than good even when we draw them! You will sort it out alright Danielle.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on January 31, 2018, 06:52:38 pm
I think I did rather good with the keel and frames .... 3 more to be glued in and then we start the serious framemaking!!!!

Skipper controls yesterdays work!

(https://i.imgur.com/huvafy5.jpg)

Skipper watches carfully if everything is in line with frame #7.

(https://i.imgur.com/wQUWioa.jpg)

At the end of the day I copied the remaining 3 frames (6 frames in total) on this small piece of plywood.
I used 0.5 square meter plywood sofar. I hope the remaining 1.5 square meters are enough for the 27 frames that are missing ....

(https://i.imgur.com/WsrorG4.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: SailorGreg on January 31, 2018, 09:12:49 pm
Lovely.  Just lovely.  :} :}


Greg
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on January 31, 2018, 10:12:34 pm
Amen to that.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Tafelspitz on February 01, 2018, 01:01:09 pm
My, that thing looks huge gigantic titanic!  :}
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on February 01, 2018, 03:23:02 pm
Thx a lot my friends!!! Its the biggest model I built sofar .... but bigger is always better!!!!  ok2

Today I made frames 7-9 .... all frames from the original plan are finished .... but there are still 27 frames that have to be made ....

(https://i.imgur.com/KySNKqP.jpg)

And some pics from the whole thing .... I like it a lot and the bow will look as I wanted it.

(https://i.imgur.com/PTHMNTz.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/y109O2Y.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/YgUb3rr.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on February 02, 2018, 10:44:02 am
Today i made some cardbord strips to simulate the planks. So I can check the shape of the hull. I could have used wooden profiles but I think cardboard does the job better. Frame C2 (the one with the screws in) was still not ok ... so I took it out and glued it in again but another 10mm lower .... surprize!!!! It fits 100%!!!!!
There is still frame C5 which sits too low on the keel. I will take it out later and glue it in again only some 3mm higher. After that the hull is PERFEKTLY in shape!!!

(https://i.imgur.com/idSQuMA.jpg?1)

Wow .... this hull is such a beauty!!!! Short and stubby!!! Just like all the ones I had seen in Brittany....10-14m long

(https://i.imgur.com/mPqKEKW.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/1h1qgOS.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Cx8nKWI.jpg)

The skipper watched to many times Titanic blockbuster .... {-)

(https://i.imgur.com/hgdOfC9.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ttdSRyr.jpg)

I never thought that the 1st hull could be parked inside the new one!!!! :}

(https://i.imgur.com/L5sWADq.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on February 02, 2018, 10:27:25 pm
The curve of the planks into the stem post is attractive Danielle. I am pleased this one is being more biddable for you!
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on February 03, 2018, 07:54:59 pm
Thx a lot!!!!  :-)) :-)) :-))

Today after finishing some corrections I took the hull off its workbase and took it up to my flat. Weight must be around 2kg. My wife then had a good look at it about the different shapes. She suggested some changes and I must say she has a perfect eye for it. Next week I'll do the corrections and the off I go with the remaing 27 frames.

(https://i.imgur.com/0sBtAsf.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: T33cno on February 03, 2018, 08:13:39 pm
Superb  :-)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: SailorGreg on February 04, 2018, 01:15:22 am
Huge  :}
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on February 05, 2018, 06:13:15 pm
Thank you very much!!!  ok2

Today I started building the remaing 27 frames ....
But first I took a rubberband to mark the middle of the hull (suggestion of my wide). So I have another point where I can check the measurements. I also made some space for the ruddershaft.

(https://i.imgur.com/i0Y9DSx.jpg)

I copied frame C1 on a cheap plywood and the with sawing and milling I got the shape of the next smaller frame done. Copied it on paper and photopaper and with it I can made the next frame out of the expensive plywood.

(https://i.imgur.com/cnXA1dL.jpg)

With the help of photopaperstencil I made the next frame ....

(https://i.imgur.com/XsBAnXq.jpg)

Here it is ready to be glued in but much too long ... next one is ready to be copied ....

(https://i.imgur.com/26GWPfP.jpg)

The result of todays work ....

(https://i.imgur.com/lspgu2U.jpg)

Close-up of todays work ....

(https://i.imgur.com/hN93lvT.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on February 05, 2018, 07:58:44 pm
Successful hull frames-happy Danielle!
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on February 06, 2018, 04:08:39 pm
 :-)) :} :} :}

It went much better today ... its the long training hours that gets me faster and faster in building all these frames that nobody will ever see!!!!  ok2

(https://i.imgur.com/x9dViBE.jpg)

I could use all these temporary frames as waterthight bulkwards ....  %)

(https://i.imgur.com/507uyEH.jpg)

3 Frames per day .... drawing them and cutting/glueing the plywood is the max I can do per day ..... !

(https://i.imgur.com/yvSvKYo.jpg)

All used stencils are in storage at the bow ....

(https://i.imgur.com/8QxI8mf.jpg)

I must say that building such a big model is really a pleasure! I never regretted building it upright like in real life and not upside down. Which would be impossible regarding all the woodwork that is involved to get these frame straight in! I also think making first the 10 frames from the original plan, then usung cardboard planks to check the shape and help me with building the remaining frames was a clever idea (they do the same in real life). Important is that the keel sits 100% on its base.... which it does perfectly without moving to any direction.From now on I will build all my models using this method.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on February 08, 2018, 03:09:04 pm
Here some pics of the last two days ......

(https://i.imgur.com/Zq5W4Ej.jpg)

Can't wait to start putting some planks on .... what size would you make? 15x5mm or 13x5mm? I have some 10x3mm leftover from the Loredana but they are too small. I must say that I have no idea which size they are in real life ..... thickness of 5mm would be 50mm in real life. Seems ok to me.

(https://i.imgur.com/KmLcsge.jpg)

At the end of the day it looks like this ....

(https://i.imgur.com/vHJpstq.jpg)

Picture taken from the bow .... black line in the middle is the rubber thread.

(https://i.imgur.com/bEO1bJC.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on February 08, 2018, 08:15:13 pm
Given her size, a thicker plank is feasable. But then you can steam or heat bend a thicker plank anyway, so have an experiment before committing to a dimention.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on February 08, 2018, 09:01:55 pm
Daanielle.......you current Mady Jeanne is scaled at 1:15?

So a 15 height scale hull plank = 15 x 15 [scale]  = 225 mm hull height in full size  :o

The example similar tonnage traditional wooden planked trawlers I see here have hull planking of approximately 100 mm hull height
Many Australian trawlers were built for Italian fishing families and of European design and build

So 100 divided by 15  [the scale] = just less than 7 mm hull high

May be best to do some further research prior to your planking decision

Derek

[PS...the whiteout is not a glitch, just a white painted wooden planked bow]

Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on February 08, 2018, 10:28:25 pm
Danielle.....here is an Australian 1:16 scale trawler......it and other builds by BB may be of interest.............. Derek

http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,56643.msg590065.html#msg590065
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on February 09, 2018, 05:30:33 am
Thanks a lot Derek for the link. Yesterday evening I studied all posting from B.B .... I just love his woodwork!
I think I will go for the selfcut 13mm planks .... the suggested 7mm in 1/15 (the new hull of the Mady-Jeanne is 1/10) 10mm in 1/10 are too small to accomodate the 2 nails ....

Here two pics of a similar trawler ..... the smaller planks must be 100mm (10mm on model) and the lower ones around 130mm (13mm in 1/10 scale)....
If I go for 10 & 13mm wide planks .... what do you think?

(https://i.imgur.com/wEhqJhy.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/gB6sTBY.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on February 09, 2018, 04:32:46 pm
Frame #C4 went to paradise .... shape wasn't ok and so I made a new one .... took me just e few minutes ....

(https://i.imgur.com/Md5Y5b5.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/R9eRCad.jpg)

I also glued 3 subframes in .... C4A, C5A and C6A .....
Numbers of the frames are as follows .... AR1 (stern) AR2, AR3, AR4, C1, C1A, C1B, C1C, C2, C2A-C, C3- C3A-C .... and so on .... it end with C9C at the bow ....

(https://i.imgur.com/9qIHs16.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/OFP97fz.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on February 09, 2018, 10:30:57 pm
Yes, BB's work is exquisite! I would happliy own an unplanked hull of his just to admire the frames and quality carpentary  O0 O0

I am enjoying the sight of those frames with the return as they meet the keel, very anatomical (for a whale type skeleton not a Hooman of course!)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: GAZOU on February 10, 2018, 10:48:15 am
Bonjour,
pour information



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(https://i62.servimg.com/u/f62/19/02/07/93/chapus10.jpg) (https://servimg.com/view/19020793/515)

(https://i62.servimg.com/u/f62/19/02/07/93/chapus11.jpg) (https://servimg.com/view/19020793/516)

(https://i62.servimg.com/u/f62/19/02/07/93/36573710.jpg) (https://servimg.com/view/19020793/517)

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(https://servimg.com/view/19020793/518)(https://i62.servimg.com/u/f62/19/02/07/93/84179210.jpg) (https://servimg.com/view/19020793/519)

(https://i62.servimg.com/u/f62/19/02/07/93/99702110.jpg) (https://servimg.com/view/19020793/520)

(https://i62.servimg.com/u/f62/19/02/07/93/18012810.jpg) (https://servimg.com/view/19020793/521) [/size]
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on February 10, 2018, 05:21:03 pm
Merci beaucoup pour les fotos!!!! J'ai visité 3x la Bretagne en 2017. J'ai fais bien plus de 500 foto de chalutiers.
Thank you very much for the pictures. I visited Brittany 3 times in 2017. I made more than 500 pics from trawlers.

Yes it would be nice to make a model where you see all the woodwork. It must be bigger ... say 1/5 scale and 1/2 planked and paint and the other half open so that you could see the frames and internals .... Engine, fish storage, crew compartment .... etc etc .... but it must be big in scale or all the details will be difficult to make ....


Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on February 10, 2018, 09:53:45 pm
I reckon 1:12th would be good if only because you can get some of the personal items and perhaps fish from Dolls house sources.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on February 12, 2018, 04:53:29 pm
Yes you're right! I wonder where I can get fish in 1/10 scale .... a few which I would copy .... I also need some good drawing and measurements of these plastic fishboxes used in France (and the UK?).

(https://i.imgur.com/EcqA4Sr.jpg)

I used sunday to copy 6 frames to the plywood .... I used 1.5m2 sofar .... have one sheet left. Hope I do not have to order more ....
And my frames look like that befor glueing them together.

(https://i.imgur.com/zk4uue1.jpg)

Ok I did make 5 of them today .... there was no time left for the 6st one as my Proxxon Bandsaw broke 2 of these expensive bands I I do not now why. It also makes funny grinding noises .... I think it my have a problem with the upper wheel ....

(https://i.imgur.com/EyRyWnW.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/wEFNI7s.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: GAZOU on February 12, 2018, 05:39:35 pm
Regardez

http://cnavale.quennetier.free.fr/spip.php?article120
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on February 12, 2018, 08:23:42 pm
Thanks a lot for the link!  :-))
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: GAZOU on February 12, 2018, 08:51:29 pm
regardez

http://navi.modelisme.com/article887.html (http://navi.modelisme.com/article887.html)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on February 12, 2018, 09:04:40 pm
Hm, Definitly time to give your saw a bit of tlc as it will be much costlier to replace than the blades  %%

I think you need to find a scale replica of the shipwright in the documentary weilding an adze! That really impressed me seeing traditional tools as well as modern ones used to build the new bow.

Your progress looks fab as per usual Danielle.

Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: jarvo on February 12, 2018, 10:50:39 pm
Your question about fish and boxes, have a look at www.macsmouldings.co.uk they do lots of mouldings, might be what you are looking for!!!


Mark
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on February 13, 2018, 04:31:22 pm
Thanks a lot for the link .... they have fishboxes but in 1/14 scale .... I'll make them by myself ....

The bandsaw is working again. There was not enough tension!!! I must get the tensioner working properly again in the next few days.

.... the end is near!!!!

Frame #C8B was made in the hull itself .... only the lower hull fitted as I wanted .... the rest was made on situ!

(https://i.imgur.com/c1AOvMe.jpg)

At the stern there are frames #C2A-C missing ... here I made the wooden templates. frame #C2C has a funny shape as it has to go under the propshaft ....

(https://i.imgur.com/Ct0zmUf.jpg)

End of the day picture .... I started the new hull on January 16th 2018 .... I must say my work improved a lot and I was as quick as the last time but the result is much better!!!!! There are some kinks visible but they will dissapear when I fit the first two rows of planks on where the deck ends ....

(https://i.imgur.com/n2XW2CO.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on February 14, 2018, 12:47:56 pm
Nearly finished at the bow! 2-3 Frames will be done later ....

(https://i.imgur.com/6dYzAKc.jpg)

At the propshaft the frames are ready to be glued together. One frame can be put on place by going under the propshaft ....

(https://i.imgur.com/cCcu4sy.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Tafelspitz on February 15, 2018, 07:16:15 am
.... the end is near!!!!


(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/e1/c0/36/e1c036b7b149221d7c587a881ded31ae--atheist-quotes-funny-cartoons.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on February 15, 2018, 04:09:32 pm
Here you can see how I put the frame under the propshaft ....

(https://i.imgur.com/pbP4WZc.jpg)

All frames at the stern are ftted in ....

(https://i.imgur.com/mu3d4Mg.jpg)

6 Packs @ 25 pcs/each 15x5mm .... delivered just in time!

(https://i.imgur.com/7vBdN26.jpg?1)

All frames done at the bow .....

(https://i.imgur.com/PD6c8K4.jpg)

All stencils ready to be used again for another model .....

(https://i.imgur.com/WkEfV03.jpg)

End of the day picture .... they will look good on the hull.

(https://i.imgur.com/e9CXYxH.jpg)

These 15x5mm planks are great!!!!!

(https://i.imgur.com/GB0Ue8T.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/exotzjL.jpg)

I had to make e new fastening for the bow .... works as well as the old one ....

(https://i.imgur.com/HvLVKpO.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: vk2dj on February 15, 2018, 08:54:44 pm
G,day  Danielle  the hull is coming along nicely looks impressive ,what timber are you using for the planking
Gary
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on February 15, 2018, 09:01:27 pm
Thanks a lot Gary ... :-))

The planks are 15x5mm pinewood. I some tryouts with putting a plank a short time into water to get it to flex around the bow. It works very well. I know I could do it with putting the planks into steam but I have no space to have such an arrangement in my workshop.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: vk2dj on February 15, 2018, 09:20:33 pm
Thanks just interested in what timbers other people are using good timber out here is  getting hard to find or if you can find a full size boating timber yard its very expensive.
On another point can you tell me of any model boat clubs  in France & Germany as we will over there in August on holidays also doing a 7 day rail tour of Switzerland
after the rail trip we are hiring a car and touring around for 18 days would be interested in your comments as to any places worth visiting
Gary
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on February 16, 2018, 05:03:41 am
Gary, I do not know any model boat clubs in Germany or France. There are a few in Switzerland and some model boat shows. What time of the year will you visit Switzerland? Better we discuss that in another topic or by private message ....
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Brian60 on February 16, 2018, 09:16:42 am
Here's a couple German clubs....

https://www.smc-hamburg.de/

https://www.modelltechnik-hamburg.de/

If you use the links to other clubs on those pages, you will find plenty more.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on February 16, 2018, 10:47:44 am
Today I made this little tool to mark things on the hull. Its only to mark things and not to check if things are square and level .... base is from my wooden figurine and the rest out of my storage ....

(https://i.imgur.com/CRDbArw.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/NKDRLtw.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Brian60 on February 16, 2018, 01:00:18 pm
Clever tool, you'll be able to mark waterlines and things when you are ready Danielle.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on February 17, 2018, 02:46:43 pm
You're right ... its a clever helping tool for the waterline (fixture for a pen will be made later). I have different selfmade helping gadgets at hand ....

Today with the help of two leftover ABS profiles I marked the upper end of the hull where the deck will be. Looks alright to me (Anita my wife said its OK too) next week I have to copy the markings to the other side .... and the I can start sanding the frames to the right shape.

(https://i.imgur.com/1yhrMTE.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on February 19, 2018, 04:26:59 pm
First planks on the hull .... not the 15x5mm but 13x5mm I cut myself. Impossible to bend the 15x5mm planks to the shape of the deck seen from the side. The 13mm one went quite good to bend.
I used a lot of clamps. Didn't trust the glue plus nail and no clamps method ....

(https://i.imgur.com/J1BOxHW.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/5VUeKRy.jpg)

The 10x3mm stringers will be removed after planking ....
I checked and rechecked if everything is level and square .... I hope I got it right.

(https://i.imgur.com/bHsJobp.jpg)

2nd plank on the other side where fixed with my glue&nail method. It worked fine if you take care to get the nails in before the plank thinks it can move to another positon ....

(https://i.imgur.com/454NvHn.jpg)

End of the day picture ....
I will have  to sand a lot frames to the exact shape before I can think about planking the bow. I will have to put the planks into water form some minutes or I can't bend them properly.

(https://i.imgur.com/XpCvtlX.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: jarvo on February 19, 2018, 07:45:40 pm
Rather that soaking them in water, what about steaming them???  If you have a wallpaper steamer, or can borrow one, connect the outlet to a small diameter tube slightly longer than the planks, steam for 10 mins then try to bend the plank to the bows, if it is still difficult, steam again but for longer.


Mark
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on February 19, 2018, 08:48:12 pm

I think Danielle has a problem with space Jarvo  {:-{ From what I recall reading some while back anyway.


The frames are looking great Danielle! Very graceful with their returns at the keel.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on February 20, 2018, 03:19:28 pm
Thanks  a lot my friends for your help. No I do not have space for another "machine". Yes I could bend the plank with ease with my "put-that-plank-into-water" method. More of it later ....

OK lets start with one plank at the bow. Just to check out things, shapes and how I can do that without too much hassle.
First I had to make a groove into the oakwood to accomodate the plank.

(https://i.imgur.com/rfxi27R.jpg)

Than as seen on a 1/1 scale wooden hull I needed this triangular profile. Gives the plank a little bit more contact with the ship.

(https://i.imgur.com/27qNX1L.jpg)

Get the plank (right length and shape) into the water and directly out of it again. Leave it into the water just a few seconds. Take a towel and dry all water on the outside. I think if you need to bend it to say 90° you can let it soak for a longer time.
It went without problems and I am looking forward to get all planks on the hull sasp!

(https://i.imgur.com/BH5L1aR.jpg)

Take all your clamps and get the plank on the ship.

(https://i.imgur.com/f4B2Cfd.jpg)

Skipper is very happy with the progress of the last few days!!

(https://i.imgur.com/1VnXMqY.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on February 20, 2018, 07:47:08 pm
So he should be  O0 Is the water cold or heated? I admit I didn't see any steam so assume the latter.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on February 21, 2018, 04:17:46 am
So he should be  O0 Is the water cold or heated? I admit I didn't see any steam so assume the latter.

Only cold water in my workspace ... the tube is a 110mmm sewer tube.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on February 21, 2018, 04:23:38 pm
Nice to have planks that are keeping the shape ....

(https://i.imgur.com/OFfHG7c.jpg)

3 planks on each side ...

(https://i.imgur.com/yUcaE8f.jpg)

Die 1st plank on the hull second one is drying ....

(https://i.imgur.com/SvxuItv.jpg)

Both sides are simetrical built .....

(https://i.imgur.com/muuL8qG.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ryZSNpb.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/IGEGDmO.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on February 22, 2018, 03:19:03 pm
Today I made the wooden helper I saw in the "Bow Exchange Video".  Its very good and performs as it should.

(https://i.imgur.com/7LjtYsn.jpg)

Now I have 3 planks on the hull on each side. I will add another plank on top of the other two. A) they serve as protection and will hold the rubber profiles that act as bumper. It also will mask some imperfections .... the shape of the hull ist not 100% as I wanted and I can mask the mistakes in a way nobody will notice .....

I gave up using the 15x5mm profiles .... impossible to bend them! So I cut some of them down to 13x5mm profiles .... they are just what I was looking for.

(https://i.imgur.com/LRfRCNP.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on February 22, 2018, 10:29:25 pm
Gorgeous  :-)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on February 23, 2018, 04:45:46 pm
Thanks a lot!  :-))

Today I did shorten all frames to a few mm above the first plank. Cutting was done with my trusty Proxxon jigsaw.

(https://i.imgur.com/HfXqZlQ.jpg)

First side is done ..... sanding was done with my Proxxon beltsander. I did have to let it cool down from time to time as it was running very hot. Later I will sand it down to the right height.

(https://i.imgur.com/IPsWSs9.jpg)

The other side is done as well ....

(https://i.imgur.com/stUpHV7.jpg)

Now I can see the the shape much better .....

(https://i.imgur.com/sICdAjD.jpg)

Next week I will check the measurements. Ar the moment I could do some neccessary correction if there would be mistakes.

(https://i.imgur.com/YwcSltn.jpg)

This is the result if you use your vacuum cleaner way over the limit of the vacuum cleaner bag .... I could take it only with a lot of clever engineering .....

(https://i.imgur.com/LAqDfz0.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on February 26, 2018, 04:00:44 pm
First I did saw the 15mm planks back to 13mm ones .... I also cut some 1000mm long planks for the sides.

(https://i.imgur.com/OE01jrl.jpg)

The long planks are glued on 2 each side .... the longer the better ....

(https://i.imgur.com/aWx3nhK.jpg)

... and 1 planks each side of the bow.

(https://i.imgur.com/JxmCmu9.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/PEjrR7Q.jpg)

My wife suggested to build some sort of measurement control "thing". I did that in a few minutes .... works well for me. I made it to control the symetry of the hull.

(https://i.imgur.com/tZOREfq.jpg)

2nd plank was also glued on both sides.

(https://i.imgur.com/l4focc3.jpg)

The hull starts to get very sturdy. It has only 2-3 planks per side but at the end it will survive anything that can happen on the model-boat lake.....
Mal sehen was ich morgen so auf die Reihe kriege.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on February 26, 2018, 09:16:01 pm
Lovely neat planks Danielle. I will have a go at cutting mine for the Armoured Cruiser in due course.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on February 27, 2018, 02:15:09 pm
For me cutting timber ist just fun! I could do that as a living!!!

Tody I rechecked the symetry of the hull .... not perfect but for me its alright. The Cornelia Marie and the N. Loredana had bigger mistakes regading the symetry!

(https://i.imgur.com/XkRKDV2.jpg)

I wanted to have a plank to the inside of the hull so that the frames and uprights will be secured. So I did that to a short length of the hull and I was happy with the result.

(https://i.imgur.com/48xnXHt.jpg)

First one is glued in place ....

(https://i.imgur.com/ewS9XgS.jpg)

Another one at the bow ....

(https://i.imgur.com/l04vIow.jpg)

And I partially sanded down one side .... just love the look of it.

(https://i.imgur.com/2aQ1cNz.jpg)

Skipper is inspecting today work .... he is very happy with it.

(https://i.imgur.com/CDbkAIe.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on March 01, 2018, 01:38:31 pm
Fixed 2 planks to the hull yesterday ....

(https://i.imgur.com/5mMh2JQ.jpg)

... and beefed up the first frame. It was to thin and glueing the planks to it too much of a hassle. Thats 9mm ply ... cuttings from the Cornelia Marie.

(https://i.imgur.com/8hk88Fg.jpg)

Today 4 planks .... glued and nailed in place in one go!!! Quick and tiring process. In a few days I will have to turn over the hull or I can't use the hammer for the nails anymore ...

(https://i.imgur.com/glrvozh.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: SailorGreg on March 01, 2018, 04:35:24 pm
Nice to see the skipper lending a hand!  Beautiful work Danielle.


Greg
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Brian60 on March 01, 2018, 07:32:17 pm
I look at the work of art that the frames are and think its a shame to cover them in planking O0 O0 Beautiful work Danielle.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on March 01, 2018, 09:54:25 pm

Totally agree Brian. If I were to commission a scale model of the Mary Rose as she is today, I would call on Danielle or Brian B as they both do superb carpentry.

Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on March 06, 2018, 02:52:12 pm
Thanks a lot my friends!!!!!  :-))
Brian B and other work much better than I do ....  ok2

The planks at the stern need to be watered and fixed to the hull for 6-12h ... here you may see how nice its bent in two driections.
Sorry for the crappy pictures today ....

(https://i.imgur.com/uA3454d.jpg)

The next one fixed on the hull and will be ready tomorrow ....

(https://i.imgur.com/CoCqVmr.jpg)

Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on March 09, 2018, 10:31:15 am
Time to take the hull off of its workbase .... I can put it back anytime as long as there are no planks near the keel.

(https://i.imgur.com/ocgbZrM.jpg)

Works very well my workbase .... I can't use the keel-up method .... it disturbs the 3D view and I can't get the shapes right.

(https://i.imgur.com/Iff2AsK.jpg)

A new delivery of planks has arrived .... the small profiles in the front are the rest of what I did cut off..... I will use it for other projects.

(https://i.imgur.com/MqSTFdC.jpg)

A quick sanding just to show off my work .... I used a sanding block. The hammer and a punch(?) are used to drive the nailheads into the planks. I will try to get all nailheads into the planks before I do the sanding. The nailheads wont be visible at the end. I will cover the holes with some putty.

(https://i.imgur.com/zhBicqJ.jpg)

Hull weights nearly 5kg .... massive but not really heavy!
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on March 09, 2018, 07:56:44 pm

The quintessential essence of the hobby hoarder is useful offcuts of wood! At what point do you say you have enough and cycle through your collection rooting out poorer pieces for use as stirrers etc?


Looking good  ok2
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on March 10, 2018, 04:03:50 pm
I normally use cutoffs for the deck planks and the small ones for the inside of the wheelhouse. Maybe I start building model houses or freight cars in 1/13 scale from trench light railways in WWI (project started) ....

BTW any suggestions for a motor? I was thinking of the same Krick Max Gear 6:1 (12V, batteries 12V) I used for the N. Loredana .... maybe it is to small for a 30-40kg boat?
I will use a geared version .... with it I can go "full ahead" and the propeller 80mm turns with 3-4000rpm maximum ....

The one I used with the N. Loredana .... https://www.racingmodellbau.ch/schiffsmodellbau/antriebe-und-zubehor/max-gear-getriebemotor-6-1 (https://www.racingmodellbau.ch/schiffsmodellbau/antriebe-und-zubehor/max-gear-getriebemotor-6-1)

It also exists in 2.5-1 version ....
 
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on March 12, 2018, 03:05:16 pm
Sunday I made a net/trawldoorwinch with my Meccano my dad had as a kid .... and I had it too .... wonderful construction you can make!
The goal is to have a 100% working netwinch (incl. trawldoor winch) without the need to use my hands to let it into the water ....

(https://i.imgur.com/Bv9jRjI.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Z7KqidD.jpg)

The hull is just a little bit too big for my small workspace .... but I always find a solution to work on it. The N.Loredana is also in this this workspace with washmachine/dryer and my eBike.

(https://i.imgur.com/HbdypSx.jpg)

Today only 3 planks to do to have a left/right side the same ....

(https://i.imgur.com/dXNBrMC.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/trDe9Gh.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: jarvo on March 13, 2018, 11:47:16 pm
HI Danielle, as you are starting to sand the planks, save the sawdust to make a filler paste, just put a stocking over the hoover nozzle to collect the dust, then mix with PVA into a thick or thin paste, saves money and just as a bonus it matches the planks perfectly.


Mark
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on March 14, 2018, 04:43:31 am
Thanks a lot Mark for the suggestion with collecting the sawdust .... actually I had the same idea yesterday!
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: jarvo on March 14, 2018, 02:06:59 pm
You see, great minds think alike
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on March 14, 2018, 05:17:20 pm
Planking at the stern is nearly done .... looks alright for me. I must say that planking is going very smoothly at the moment. Since plank #1 (on top, where the deck will be) I could add one plank after plank with ease. The curves and bends are sometimes just under the breaking point of the planks at the bow.

(https://i.imgur.com/Urpv539.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/R1vDDwi.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/EFmQEQn.jpg)

At the bow there are a lot planks to add.... some of them I added today.

(https://i.imgur.com/sFhLzA2.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/e8V8ffU.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on March 27, 2018, 04:21:37 pm
After one week holidays in Britanny I am back for some more work on my hull ... motivation is rather low at the moment. So I did not make pictures as they progress they would show is only 4 short planks ....  %)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on March 27, 2018, 09:35:49 pm
Life is one big holiday for you Danielle  %)....plenty of fishing boat hulls in Brtianny?

Tell us, have you estimated a displacement yet?.... Derek
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on March 27, 2018, 09:38:06 pm

I think your inner Danielle reckons you need a little more rest and recuperation!



Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on March 28, 2018, 04:00:36 am
Displament of the hull .... the original model has a weight of 50kg..... waterline is some 50mm lower than the first plank .... I am shure it will be way over 30kg! %)

There where some nice hulls to be seen in Brittany .... northern brittany have only a few ports.

(https://i.imgur.com/zsdz8w7.jpg)

They main problem at the moment is .... I am without a job since nearly two years .... this means I am on holidays since 2 years and its getting boring and demotiviation has to be fought every day ..... I had a new job for 2 month but had to quit it just before xmas because I couldn't do my job and the person I should have worked with had never time to for me (invoicing of servicing rapports).
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on March 28, 2018, 04:48:38 pm
Symetrical planks on the bow .... the planks are still in one line frome the bow to the stern. Never made a hull like this one .... it has a perfect shape.

(https://i.imgur.com/yzzbjN8.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/jC0sYqL.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on March 28, 2018, 08:49:32 pm

We wouldn't expect anything less Danielle! Was that boat in the picture past its best, or was the water rougher than it looked?


Mind you it doesn't seem to have a wheel house  {:-{
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on March 28, 2018, 09:59:33 pm
The hull seen in the picture is left to rot on the beach .... this is an usual thing to do if your boat is old and dying .... let it sit on a beach or in marshland where the elements will turn it back into its single elements. Tanks have been emptied and all big equipment, engine, netwinches etc removed.

I think under EU law it is forbidden but I have seen one new hull since february at the port of Paimpol.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on April 05, 2018, 02:19:01 pm
At work again after easter .....
First I needed more glue .... I use a lot of glue at the moment. I use only this quality for my models .... its not waterproof but everything is waterproofed with color and lacquer.

(https://i.imgur.com/Mr7lMPT.jpg)

Planking is nearing its end .... maybe 2 more weeks .... can't see it anymore and my wrists are in a bad shape at the moment.

(https://i.imgur.com/N9DSrH5.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ppIplDQ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Jtr7qJV.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on April 05, 2018, 09:01:25 pm
Pace yourself Danielle and you will soon be moving onto the next exciting part of the project. Just know that you are doing great and the carpentry is fab  O0 :-))
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: hama on April 05, 2018, 10:41:04 pm
Hello Danielle!
Give yourself a pat on the back for the excellent woodwork and the 25000 views!
Watching you building a modelboat is like watching a full scale build!
All the best
Hama
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on April 07, 2018, 06:49:26 am
Thank you very much for the compliments!!!!! :-)) :-)) :-))
I try to do my best to keep you entertained all the time ...  ok2

I added the planks on the other side of the bow .... not many left to do there ....

(https://i.imgur.com/9mH5w64.jpg)

At the stern there is a lot of work waiting for me .... and I have to start thinking about the motor size, reduction gear, water pumps and the piping for them ....

(https://i.imgur.com/8BsjHoh.jpg)

I always fill the spaces at the bow with glue ....

(https://i.imgur.com/W7RJEZs.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: GAZOU on April 07, 2018, 08:11:09 am

Hello


On the real hull the lined are fixed to more spaced out couples, example: row1 on couple 4, row 2 on couple7, row 3 on couple 1


best regard
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: SteamboatPhil on April 07, 2018, 09:32:57 am
It really is a nice piece of woodwork, and it is looking really good, cannot wait for the next pictures.  :-)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on April 07, 2018, 10:17:32 am
Hello
On the real hull the lined are fixed to more spaced out couples, example: row1 on couple 4, row 2 on couple7, row 3 on couple 1
best regard

Yes I know that .... on a model it just doesn't matter as the wood won't be visible at the end. I may build another model after this one and all mistakes made sofar will be corrected and the model will be even better! ok2

Quote
It really is a nice piece of woodwork, and it is looking really good, cannot wait for the next pictures.

Thanks alot SteamboatPhil. I'll try to do my best to keep you and all followers happy. I have to think about how the wheelhouse and netwinches will be placed on deck....
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on April 07, 2018, 03:10:48 pm
You're keeping us very happy Danielle  :} Just keep doing your thing Missy 25000 views  :-))
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on April 12, 2018, 07:00:37 pm
The planks at the stern are ready to be sanded down .... wait! I have to nail in all nails into the planks first.... {:-{

(https://i.imgur.com/szCyAv6.jpg)

And I gave the keel/propshaft aera some nice shape too ....

(https://i.imgur.com/bgoTstY.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/92S7HQ7.jpg)



Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: jarvo on April 12, 2018, 09:24:25 pm
Great to see the progress, looking superb


Mark
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: steve mahoney on April 13, 2018, 03:59:30 am
Quote
"I may build another model after this one and all mistakes made so far will be corrected and the model will be even better!"


... and so begins a never ending list of projects.
:-))
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: GAZOU on April 13, 2018, 04:22:18 pm

Hello
That go to be made nails?
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Big Ada on April 13, 2018, 05:48:41 pm
There are some people on here that would like to know how many nails you have used, No Names  O0 O0 O0

Len.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: steve mahoney on April 13, 2018, 08:10:31 pm
They would be rivet counters.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on April 13, 2018, 08:12:26 pm
There are over 240g of 15x1 nails in this hull ....  ok2
Don't know how many this are ... they are sold in packs of 30g ....
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on April 14, 2018, 03:09:59 am
Easy to answer  %).....and the answer is 2,246 zinc plated panel pins of 15 x 1 sizing  :P

Calculated from 4680 pins per 500gm....[manufacturers listing]
So 936 pins per 100gm x 2.4 = 2246 {-)

Derek
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on April 14, 2018, 04:46:09 am
Now thats a big number!!!! 2246 nails .... some of them fell on the floor and some of them where replaced because I bend them ....  ok2
I like to nail the planks onto the frames. I saves me from using zig millions clamps and waiting a long time till I can glue the next plank. With my method I can fix some 4-5 planks in 2 hours.

BTW I had to switch from 13x5 to 10x5 planks. Bending was getting very difficult.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: GAZOU on April 14, 2018, 06:14:12 am
I wanted to say: how go to sand you the wood with the nails which overtake
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on April 14, 2018, 05:55:30 pm
I wanted to say: how go to sand you the wood with the nails which overtake

No Problem! All nailheads will be hammered in 1-1.5mm further into the wood before sanding the planks.
The picture shows how this will look. The "holes" will then be filled with putty ...

(https://i.imgur.com/zhBicqJ.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on April 16, 2018, 12:01:01 am

Instead of Putty, you could use a filler of creamy texture,  spread it over all the planks, filling the nail holes and gaps in one operation and then sand down to shape.


Some of the 'modern' wood fillers can be thinned to watery/creamy consistency. The catch is if thinned with 'thinners' quick evaporation will occur. So if possible a water based filler is more suitable. Gives more time to work and better for the wood.


Looking good O0 O0 O0 :-)) :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: jarvo on April 16, 2018, 07:20:24 am
I think that sanding dust mixed with PVA is far superior, or even better 2 pack epoxy thinned down mixed with the dust, but more difficult to sand back.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on April 16, 2018, 07:44:12 am

I think that sanding dust mixed with PVA is far superior, or even better 2 pack epoxy thinned down mixed with the dust, but more difficult to sand back.


Don't use that trick if you are applying a polish or timber stain over the wood as the PVA will show through as 'water' type stain, as it seals the grain.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on April 16, 2018, 02:12:49 pm

A very useful bit of info.   :-))

Thanks for that, I didn't know.

ken
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Brian60 on April 16, 2018, 02:45:26 pm
If you use the right type of sandpaper then you do not need to bed the nails down. The sandpaper will happily remove the nail heads as you sand.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: GAZOU on April 16, 2018, 05:29:13 pm
Certainly not
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: RAAArtyGunner on April 16, 2018, 11:51:26 pm


Brian is no doubt referring to metal removing papers such as wet and dry, emery, etc, used in car body working.

As such it will work using powered sander, provided that the nails are soft steel and not stainless or hardened. If the wood is very soft softwood then yes pitting will occur around the nail.

Another trick, If you don't want to punch the nails then cut the heads off. Will still hold whilst adhesive sets.



Tricks of the trade are just that, tricks to be used in certain circumstances, not general usage such as kerf cutting on another thread.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on April 17, 2018, 04:23:34 am
Sanding down the nailheads is not possible .... the nailheads have to be in the planks and not on the planks ... its done like that on the original ....  ok2
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: GAZOU on April 17, 2018, 11:22:43 am
[citation de l'auteur = missyd link = topic = 58665.msg638718 # msg638718 date = 1523935414] Poncer
les têtes de clous n'est pas possible .... les clous doivent être dans les planches et non sur les planches ... c'est fait comme ça sur l'original ....  ok2
[/ quote]


+1
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on April 19, 2018, 04:06:50 pm
As the planks looked rather ugly from the inside, I decided to glue a second layer of planks (leftovers) into the space between the frames. Will give more strength to  the hull and will add a lot of weight to it which is desirable.

(https://i.imgur.com/PpDaDE1.jpg?1)

Then I used my trusty light grey acrylic paint from the DIY shop as usual. After a light sanding I will add a second layer of paint.

(https://i.imgur.com/ZqgJ3VX.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on April 19, 2018, 07:35:50 pm
That would keep an exocet out Danielle! Super tough work  :-))
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on April 24, 2018, 04:00:13 pm
hehe ... Exocet rocket ... I can remember the Falklands war ....  {:-{
Loosing so many lives .... by a french rocket ....  >:-o

The right side is finished but the unplanked section .... if you knock on the hull to the left it sound klack klack .... to the right it sound more like hammering on door from a castle in the middle agge!!! I like it .... makes the hull superheavy and sturdy ....
I must have used between 750-1000g of glue sofar .... I use a lot of glue ... the more the better ....  ok2

(https://i.imgur.com/dF35sQS.jpg)

I also went to the model shop to get the new receiver and a servo, other neccessary parts where bought last week or are already at home collecting dust.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on April 30, 2018, 04:22:46 pm
The hull has a weight of 8kg at the moment .... I hope to have it under 15kg without the wheelhouse ....  %)

(https://i.imgur.com/JiF8yV4.jpg?1)

Still glueing the planks between the frames .... only 1/2 a side to do ....
I thought some more color will look nice too ....

(https://i.imgur.com/sW7Z2EA.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on April 30, 2018, 06:47:08 pm
The paint will make the insides tidy.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on May 15, 2018, 05:51:42 pm
The paint will make the insides tidy.

Yes this time I hope to get the inside of the hull as tidy and clean as possible. I am used to have all wires bundled and labeled but every time I do the wiring it end up in a terrible mess. The hull is soo bit and space is not a problem.

I plan to build some sort of "dark exhaust fumes machine" to get the right exhaust-color for a diesel engine. I have some idea with the use of ..... DIESEL! Would also have the right smell .... lets see if I can invent it.

Doubleing up from the inside is finished .... now I can add the last planks on the underside of the hull. I also added the grey color to the aeras where the glue is dried 100%

(https://i.imgur.com/PbzE2vu.jpg)

Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on May 15, 2018, 10:37:39 pm
That sounds like a generator to create a controlled smoke screen Danielle. It would add weathering to the Mady Jean, but it would be a bit greasy. Still, there's no harm in experimenting  :-))
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on May 16, 2018, 05:06:03 am
1. a metal box with a drip tray.....a shelf for one of those Tea Tree Lights...[40 diameter aluminium dish  x  15 high with a candle wick]
2. a wire rack above the tea tree light to support an unwound [50 diameter] stainless steel scourer pad
3. a 40 diameter computer 12 volt pillow fan mounted in a tube pointing the air onto the scourer
4. a small low pressure 12 volt peristaltic pump ..... do not be tempted  to use a 12 volt windscreen washer pump]
5. a reservoir of sump oil [diesel engine oil is preferable]
6. a metal chimney from the smoke generator to the vessels exhausts

The build of the smoker body itself is not complicated ....brass sheet sides/tops & plates M2 screwed together with 10x10 brass angle iron corners ....

The use of 20 diameter copper bends/unions & tube aids the simplicity of manufacture of the unit....40 to 20 concentric reduce is also handy for the fan tubing

The sizing for the body is say 50 to 70 mm cubic...then with the fan tube bolted & entering on a side & the exhaust exiting from the top etc

Light the tea tree light, with your R/C gear pulse the peristaltic pump until a few spurts of sump oil smoulder on the S/S scourer
It would also be advantageous to use R/C & speed reducer to control the voltage/speed to the fan

Quite a bit of trial & error in the commissioning & setup, however the above does work, each tea tree light is about 10 cents and will last for approx. 15 minutes.......diesel  sump oil is inexpensive  :-X

Ideally, you would need use two [2] functions on your R/C Tx....one variable & one a pulse only

Make the smoke generator totally modular...you will need to lift it out of the vessel before storage/display in your home as the smoke generator will stink  {-)

Derek
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Ianlind on May 16, 2018, 05:59:51 am

DerekBlack smoke or white smoke?


ian.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on May 16, 2018, 08:33:42 am
True....dark grey to black Ian...it is the 'smoke point' of oils, not the 'flash Point' of oils

Google one & you will also find reference to the other

New clear oils produce a whitish/grey smoke point, using diesel sump oil is the trick.....it has so many side additive's...[products of wear metals & oils that have products of contamination of combusted sludge that was not burnt off in exhaust combustion]

Derek

 
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Ianlind on May 16, 2018, 11:03:34 am
I suppose the next question is, synthetic diesel or mineral diesel? They are both very black when they come out of the sump! I use both, in different vehicles.


Ian.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: GAZOU on May 16, 2018, 12:27:49 pm
This kind of thing is forbidden in Europe, it is identical in UK ?
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on May 16, 2018, 12:39:27 pm
Ian........my smoker build was some 45 years ago........before 3 daughters....before digital cameras......before computer pillow fans ......I had some of those Polaroid Instamatic images in the past

The fan rotor was from a Ronson ladies hair dryer......supported in a brass sheet fabricated housing with 3/16" ZZ ball bearings....the motor was I believe a 540 series with twin O-ring 2:1 reduction pulley drive...Tea Tree lights didn't exist......I improvised with a small wax burner in a steel cupped disk...small peristaltic pumps did not exist,  I used a 12 volt windscreen washer pump......this was most erratic in providing a uniform squirt of gluggy sump oil...

The balance of the build was generally as per previous mention

To answer your question of the Grade or type of diesel oil.......I cannot answer...simply the sump oil I obtained from a local heavy vehicle/truck repair shop....black as...

Good luck

PS... Dear GAZOU......I thought that the UK was still a geographical element in the map of Europe  %) 
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: GAZOU on May 16, 2018, 03:47:57 pm

My dear Derek

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PS... Dear GAZOU......I thought that the UK was still a geographical element in the map of Europe[/q][/q]


Derek I do not know.
When I go to UK we tell me: you the Europeans you do not understand the note of this controller, in Europe you do not make as English, you do not run of the good side . Etc O0 {-)


Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on May 19, 2018, 11:23:37 am
Each time I see the brilliant models built by Brian B. ....

http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,60780.0.html (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,60780.0.html)

.... my brain tells me to scrap my unfinished hull and start again without all the mistakes I made .... done it already once ....  {:-{
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on May 19, 2018, 02:13:51 pm

Stop!


Don't worry yourself Danielle. Your work is excellent and worth continuing with. While Brian's work is elegant, yours is still attractive and well made.
It has what is required to form the basis of a good looking and reliable boat. You have learnt loads from your initial construction with Mady Jean and are well into a stunning build. The pictures speak for themselves as do several thousand posts, none of which are less than constructive.
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Carry on!
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Mark T on May 19, 2018, 05:25:10 pm
I have to agree with Ian - your builds are very impressive and you try so many new concepts.  You have many followers and many thousands of views of your posts.  They are interesting and thought provoking.  Quite frankly you make very nice boats and like everyone else your work makes your skills better as you go along.  Keep building and get this boat done  :-)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on May 23, 2018, 04:55:49 pm
OK my friends .... I will try and finish this fishtrawler .... I will need a lot of ideas to get all things done as I want.
First half of the hull .... planking finished ....

(https://i.imgur.com/5mPxxuD.jpg)

The hull is somewhat too big for my little workspace .... !?

(https://i.imgur.com/55VkJkb.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on May 24, 2018, 10:58:56 pm

Perhaps a period of tidying and sorting will be restorative to your enthusiasm. I tidied my table up this week and though it won't lighten my destroyer, it did make me feel at ease.


The planking is looking really good Danielle.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on May 25, 2018, 04:12:39 pm
You're right ... ! I will tidy up my tables as soon as I am finished with the hull ....  ok2
Finished with the work today .... ran out of nails ....  ok2 I tried to see how I can get the nailheads into the wood and how I can simulate the space between the planks ....

(https://i.imgur.com/diajLK9.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on May 30, 2018, 04:02:56 pm
Planking has come to an end!!!!

(https://i.imgur.com/CJ6mxVh.jpg)

Doubleing up the planks from the inside is finished as well. I poured in some glue on strategic places and covered it with sawdust ... 1-2 days drying and I can paint everything grey. 

(https://i.imgur.com/S2egv9s.jpg)

Then I will fit in the motor and the ruddershaft. Maybe I also prepare the rudderservo and the intake for the waterpump(s).
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on May 31, 2018, 06:20:44 pm
Motor and RC components in the hull ... there is a lot of space left for other goodies I may add later.
(https://i.imgur.com/Y9FxWXh.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/GxkDd1o.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/0MtzGnf.jpg)

Motor got its sturdy plattform.

(https://i.imgur.com/r0E1oAp.jpg)

I also fitted in and glued the ruddershaft ....

(https://i.imgur.com/FwOHI8D.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/KEW6KHr.jpg)

And at the end some more paint into the hull.

(https://i.imgur.com/RBzSixs.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Mark T on May 31, 2018, 06:25:22 pm
Wow now that the motor is in you can really see just how big this hull is.  You are making a top job of this boat - lovely work  :-))
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on May 31, 2018, 10:28:45 pm

I thought you may have been a bit too frugal in your motor fit until I scaled the size of the motor by the display shelving hole in the packet


And that motor isn't small  %%


She's coming along nice.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on June 04, 2018, 07:18:56 pm
Thanks a lot you two!!!!  :-)) :-))
Today I started with the hull outside .... first hammer in all nailheads, then sand down everthing as much as possible to get a nice even shape. Then I used woodputty fom the local DIY store. I will do this work in sections as I can't hammer in all nailheads in one time ....

(https://i.imgur.com/pvJgd8w.jpg)

This big Bosch vibrasander is the right tool for a lot of jobs in modelling ships. Used it on the Cornelia Marie and the N. Loredana as well. I use sandpaper #80 on this machine. Afterwards I use musclepower and use #120 sandpaper. Always sandpaper from 3M. The green one that will not clog-up so fast (used for paint removal).
(https://i.imgur.com/9g5a3La.jpg)

Looks alright ... just here and there some more putty needed.
(https://i.imgur.com/u2ZVTqI.jpg)

Here you can see 2 hammered in nailheads. They came through the putty when I was sanding the hull there. So in they went again and some putty will hide them again.

(https://i.imgur.com/4OyT3lt.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Tafelspitz on June 04, 2018, 08:41:39 pm
I can only imagine what you and your workspace looked like after this sanding spree  %%



Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on June 08, 2018, 02:39:58 pm
Yesssss....!  :D :D :D :D :D
I dont know how many nails I hammered in .... must be more than 1000 per side ....Actually I used a lot of painters tape to make the tool better adapted to my tired hands and fingers .... one half of the hull done .... another one to go!

(https://i.imgur.com/kpGV1r9.jpg)

I used a lot of wood putty on this hull .... only to sand down 95% .... creating a lot of dust for nothing!

(https://i.imgur.com/FQNiYAl.jpg)

Hull is sanded .... the 4-5mm thick planks allows me to sand down a lot of material should the shape be a little bit crooky .... ready for the primer (Spraycan paint).
(https://i.imgur.com/w1VUa3P.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/lxzwD5v.jpg)

1/2 of the hull primed the first time .... sandind priming .... etc ....  %) I will use this color of prmer for all parts of the ship. This will keep the colors similar on the whole ship.

(https://i.imgur.com/RK2kzZu.jpg)

Next week ... back to the other side .... new week same sh..... ahem work. ok2
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on June 13, 2018, 04:44:27 pm
Finally the hull is ready for painting .... the sanding of it was really nasty dusty work .... my workspace is covered in sticky dust....

(https://i.imgur.com/hllpGS5.jpg)

The hull was painted with the grey primer color.

(https://i.imgur.com/NpQTOWX.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/mVROlkF.jpg)

Then I will finish the back of the hull and the color on the inside.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: hama on June 13, 2018, 06:17:29 pm
Well done! :-))
Hama
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on June 13, 2018, 09:04:23 pm
Mmmm, smooth  :} 
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Dreadnought on June 14, 2018, 08:43:12 am
Your hull looks lovely  :-))
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on June 20, 2018, 06:46:47 pm
Thanks a lot!!!!!!  :-)) :-)) :-)) :kiss:
Finished painting twice the inside of the hull.

(https://i.imgur.com/wtlf2E9.jpg)

This wooden plantholder was found by my wife. I used over 60 screws to get it sturdy enough for the weight of the model. I also added wheels to it.

(https://i.imgur.com/N61Hbqr.jpg)

Checking clearances on the way to the elevator and/or the garage.

(https://i.imgur.com/hnv3N1Y.jpg)

.... not much space left in the elevator!!!! max. 10-15cm!!!

(https://i.imgur.com/6ShZiYC.jpg)

.... the Cornelia Marie (or the N. Loredana) could park in the hull of the Mady-Jeanne!

(https://i.imgur.com/lozQAwZ.jpg)

Loverly shape it has .... I will add the last 6cm of planking in the next weeks. Then we'll see how she looks!

(https://i.imgur.com/MuNbAFH.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Mark T on June 20, 2018, 07:13:43 pm
You should be very proud of yourself for making such a lovely hull. I’m looking forward to the rest of the build  :-))
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on June 20, 2018, 09:47:49 pm

Despite being a little tubbalub (  ok2 ) Mady Jean is quite compact. You would not get any warship over a destroyer in the elevator and the stand you and your wife have created would not be as practical either. That was a great idea putting the stand on wheels.



Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on June 21, 2018, 04:46:52 pm
 :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) Thanks a lot my friends!!!!!  ;)
I wasn¨t happy with the stern so I decided to get it done right. Adding the uprights would be nice isn't it?

(https://i.imgur.com/pLY7NPW.jpg)

But first I had to correct the radius of the part.

(https://i.imgur.com/gpD7J0y.jpg)

I cut out everything with the help of my trusty Proxxon with a flexible attachment tool and a cutting disc for tiles. Works well and the cut is easely done if you hold the thing very good in your hands....I also used a big file.

(https://i.imgur.com/Igv7NZu.jpg)

In the end it looked like that ....

(https://i.imgur.com/rsRjVR7.jpg)

Then it was time to glue a second layer of plywood to it ... just like I did with the frames. (no pic).

Planking the stern was a quick job!

(https://i.imgur.com/5Z59tSM.jpg)

First I had only 5 upgrights and I did not like it this way .... I added 4 more and it looks much better.

(https://i.imgur.com/wKcnkIY.jpg)

It will be visible in the end so it was important for me to get it right. I also have to sand everything in shape or it will look silly ....

(https://i.imgur.com/4VEf55k.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on June 21, 2018, 08:47:00 pm

Looks pretty good to me. You could have added thin false supports from ply but it would have looked like a Bankers house in Surbiton!



Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on June 22, 2018, 09:29:49 pm
You're right! I could have made it a little bit thinner but this part has to be sturdy. Because from time to time the hull is resting upright on the stern ... must be over 10kg now and taking more weight every week.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on June 26, 2018, 07:25:30 pm
More work done today .... uprights for the hull. Don't know the name of the part ...bulwark? First I made a template. So all parts wil be the same size.

(https://i.imgur.com/IIku34D.jpg)

The white profiles are cut by myself from a bigger profile found in my DIY store (its cheaper than the hobbystore). They are very important for the shape and measurements. I used 1x10mm nails to fix them to the uprights.

(https://i.imgur.com/MSNMTTr.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/F0V22nL.jpg)

Work of today and 3 uorights ready for tomorrows work.

(https://i.imgur.com/sHSFMmc.jpg)

The 9mm ply are cutoffs from the Cornelia Marie. I am happy that I kept them!

(https://i.imgur.com/60YLjVS.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on June 27, 2018, 06:52:44 pm
And the work goes on .... I really like it at the moment!

(https://i.imgur.com/uNn5jRG.jpg)

And the work I did today.

(https://i.imgur.com/ZCRcQXK.jpg)

I had to add some 35cms to the profiles ....

(https://i.imgur.com/P7O4kIj.jpg)

The bow is typically for a trawler from brittanny!!! I love it!

(https://i.imgur.com/tp32ZR3.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/eNli5u5.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/BQbkv4E.jpg)

12 uprights left and this work is done!
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on June 27, 2018, 08:51:49 pm

It gets more attractive by the day Danielle.



Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: SailorGreg on June 28, 2018, 02:54:33 pm
 :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on June 28, 2018, 04:43:15 pm
Thanks a lot my friends .... not easy to do my best everyday! 6 months since I started this project ... after I scrapped the other one!
The first 6 uprights .... no there are 9 uprights to keep things sturdy! I think the planks will make a lot of tension on the uprights .... just to be on the save side I added 3 more ... I have no idea how many upright are on the plan as I did not look at it since I finished the frames .... I prefer freelance scratchbuilding. I it look ok it is ok!

(https://i.imgur.com/llzaQhR.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/PNWoo5J.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/1TmN1an.jpg)

Work was done very fast today so I did the right side as well ....

(https://i.imgur.com/l60Kllv.jpg)

Todays work ....

(https://i.imgur.com/UAMTKL8.jpg)

The shape is not 100% alright but I will correct that later.

(https://i.imgur.com/y5MleWa.jpg)

The next step is to fill all spaces between the uprights.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on June 29, 2018, 12:50:57 pm
Closing the gaps between the uprights .... fun work!

(https://i.imgur.com/ziVa2cu.jpg)

Tomorrow I will leave Switzerland for a few days in Brittanny. After 25 months searching for a job my anita told me to pack my bag and go on holidays alone. She can't come with me as she can take a few days off work .... hope it will give me some new ideas for the future.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on July 10, 2018, 05:53:00 pm
I had a good time in Britanny ... lots of rain and sunshine as usual!!!The best ist I got a call for a job! I can start next monday!!!! Its a miracle after over 2 years!

These two pics where taken at the entrance of the port of Saint Guénolé ... the sardine boats leavig the port .... it was after 10pm!

(https://i.imgur.com/k6Gi1qf.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/sZsNIp2.jpg)

The return of the fishingfleet of Guilvenec .... very nice as there are hundreds of spectators waiting for the action of unloading the boat!!! Every week all year raund Mon-Fri....

(https://i.imgur.com/cjnEHly.jpg)

Filled in all spaces .... next well be a template of the deck.

(https://i.imgur.com/GiErfr3.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/HvsrLRN.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on July 10, 2018, 11:18:44 pm

Hi Danielle, congratulations about the job. I hope it goes well for you. There is nothing like getting some real reference material on the spot so to speak, and you had some rest and recuperation as well  :-))


The infills look attractive with the frame ends being slightly darker making it look like an intentional pattern.



Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: MikeK on July 11, 2018, 07:33:50 am
Congratulations on the job, Danielle  %%  It must have been a nagging worry after that long.




MikeK




Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on July 11, 2018, 06:17:58 pm
Thanks a lot my friends!!!! I hope I will like the job. Its something totally different. I will be an Administrator Spare Parts Catalogue in a company that fabricates wheeled and armoured military vehicles .... I really wanted this job ... all things with military vehicles and weapons are interesting for me.
Today I took the hull into my flat to weight it ....

(https://i.imgur.com/SjPOxYH.jpg?1)

10.5kg...I call it a lightweight hull ....  ok2

(https://i.imgur.com/LImrxav.jpg)

...and then I had the idea put the hull into water!!! But first I made a waterproof protection out of rubbishbags.

(https://i.imgur.com/qGQytxE.jpg?1)

...Ufff ... just 4-5cm left in the bathtub. The hull is 137cm long and some 125-130cm at the waterline.

(https://i.imgur.com/YDSw0vW.jpg)

... to get the hull on the waterline I used all kinds of weights .... batteries 14.7kgs, full glass waterbottles 6.5kgs, glasses full of honey or chocolate cream 11kgs and lead 10.9kgs

(https://i.imgur.com/f1LXei9.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/j5hRobh.jpg)

I needed 43.281kgs weight to get the hull on the waterline .... 43.281kgs+10.5kgs=53.781kgs

(https://i.imgur.com/Z83V3qk.jpg)

I am thinking of using a ballast tank that I can fill with water as I want ... with compartment against sloshing. It could also simulate empty boat and full (fish) boat. If I add a tank of say 5l .... will it really reduce the ballast weight 5kg? Any ideas how I can build this?
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Tafelspitz on July 11, 2018, 08:42:58 pm
Holy dawg, >50kg - that's one big fat lady you got there  %%
Apart from all of the ballast you're also gonna need a couple sherpas, I reckon  :police:
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on July 11, 2018, 09:09:52 pm

Cripes, even with gubbins etc that is a lot of water ballast to find space for.


Still, its good to see you have lots of choccy spread  :-))
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: jarvo on July 11, 2018, 09:52:35 pm
Dont think water is dense enough, 5L is 5 kg. Far to bulky. what about lead shot in bags, moulded into place with a mix of epoxy. They would fit into specific places in the hull and be removable. Not as easy as pumping water from the lake, but more effective.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Tafelspitz on July 12, 2018, 05:59:32 am
Dont think water is dense enough, 5L is 5 kg. Far to bulky. what about lead shot in bags, moulded into place with a mix of epoxy. They would fit into specific places in the hull and be removable. Not as easy as pumping water from the lake, but more effective.


I agree. I got my lead shot from this Swiss store: http://www.plomben.ch/bleiteile.htm (http://www.plomben.ch/bleiteile.htm)
You will need less than 1/10th the volume if you're gonna use lead instead of water.
Or, even better, use gold bullions instead (as I always suggest) and you'll need only about 1/20th the volume of water  ok2
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on July 12, 2018, 06:05:14 pm

I agree. I got my lead shot from this Swiss store: http://www.plomben.ch/bleiteile.htm (http://www.plomben.ch/bleiteile.htm)
You will need less than 1/10th the volume if you're gonna use lead instead of water.
Or, even better, use gold bullions instead (as I always suggest) and you'll need only about 1/20th the volume of water  ok2
Thank you all for all the informations .... I will order my lead bullions (cheaper than lead shots) from the swiss online store! Thanks a lot to Tafelspitz for this very useful link.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: jarvo on July 12, 2018, 09:35:51 pm
The only problem with bullions is fitting them between the hull ribs, unless you made boxes in the hull to hold them


Mark
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on July 12, 2018, 10:02:26 pm
Put a mini paddling pool below your balcony heat the lead up on said balcony and then pour it into the pool from a great height thus creating your own shot! Fill the pool with water obviously  :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on July 13, 2018, 05:50:13 am
The only problem with bullions is fitting them between the hull ribs, unless you made boxes in the hull to hold them
Mark
I will make boxes to hold the bullions in place ... "if" I build another big model after the M-J I can reuse them. Lead shot in bags do not stay in place as well in place in the hull as bullions in boxes.
My wife is asking how we will move the finished model around. Getting it into the VW T6 van and into water has to be planned well.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: jarvo on July 13, 2018, 08:19:03 am
Moving and handeling a big boat needs thought. I use a folding garden truck, very easy to move and loads of space for the gear that goes with the model. Ballast, Batteries etc.


Mark
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Tafelspitz on July 13, 2018, 09:23:29 am
My wife is asking how we will move the finished model around. Getting it into the VW T6 van and into water has to be planned well.


I'd suggest one of these (that would also be an amazing building project): https://youtu.be/tvqAqhZ-ijg (https://youtu.be/tvqAqhZ-ijg)


Dom
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Big Ada on July 13, 2018, 06:27:01 pm
You could make a Free Flooding compartment low in the hull to let the water in and save on Ballast.

Len.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on July 13, 2018, 07:02:18 pm
You could make a Free Flooding compartment low in the hull to let the water in and save on Ballast.
Len.
I was thinking about it as I saw such a compartment in a hull of a fishtrawler in Britanny ... bit I think it will create problem if its not 150% watertight.  %)
Very nice video of the big crane .... but a model for my boat would need another parking lot and a trailer to get it to the model show ....  ok2
I forgot to write that the hull is very stable in the water. It floats nicely and stable with or without ballast.

Yesterday I made a template for the deck ....
(https://i.imgur.com/GPe0Afq.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/n0ZBzB8.jpg)

... and today of the rest .... as you can see I wasn't happy with the shape of the bow .... so I will change it like you say in the pictures.

(https://i.imgur.com/w1TqhAm.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/RoHLFGC.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/r3M7U0d.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/4g5cyzl.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/MDPgDYo.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on July 13, 2018, 07:06:25 pm
And one picture standing beside the dinner table .... it is a MASSIVE hull ....  O0 O0
(https://i.imgur.com/ZRX8jeB.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on July 15, 2018, 03:10:43 pm
I was not happy with y wooden figurine as it was too big! Its height is 210mm instead of 175-180mm (=1.75-1.80m height in 1:1 scale).The one I use now was printed out from the internet and its height is 180mm. Loos much better for me ....

(https://i.imgur.com/0LJJ0Mh.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/iMDMM9v.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: SteamboatPhil on July 15, 2018, 09:47:54 pm
Really coming along well Danielle, although you are working on a Brittany style boat, we still have a lot of fishing boats here in Dieppe (Normandy) and quite a few on the slips at any one time, if you would like me to take photos of any part of the fishing fleet both above and below the water, or any any other details I can help you with please let me know I will be glad to help.
Phil
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on July 16, 2018, 04:25:25 am
Really coming along well Danielle, although you are working on a Brittany style boat, we still have a lot of fishing boats here in Dieppe (Normandy) and quite a few on the slips at any one time, if you would like me to take photos of any part of the fishing fleet both above and below the water, or any any other details I can help you with please let me know I will be glad to help.
Phil
Thanks a lot for your offer. I took a lot of pictures but I am sure I will need some pictures in future because there is always one or the missing for detailing the model!
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on July 16, 2018, 02:54:18 pm

One of the rules of model making is that after you have completed a project, more reference turns up often of that which you wanted to make but could not see  %)



Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on July 16, 2018, 05:41:05 pm
One of the rules of model making is that after you have completed a project, more reference turns up often of that which you wanted to make but could not see  %)
Exactly!!!! Happened with the FV Cornelia Marie ... one week after its first outing Discovery Channel published 360° views of all parts of the boat. Wheelhouse, deck, forcastle, pantry, engine room ... you name they have a 360° view .... I was really not shure if I should rebuild some part of the CM. In the end I left her as she was ....
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on July 16, 2018, 11:12:57 pm
It is important to understand that the detail of a model can be a snapshot frozen in time......all of the detail is as was during that moment O0

Many warship models are listed by name & date ......

Derek
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on July 24, 2018, 07:58:29 pm
It is important to understand that the detail of a model can be a snapshot frozen in time......all of the detail is as was during that moment O0
Many warship models are listed by name & date ......
Derek
You're right Derek!!!!  ok2 :-))
I am sorry I do not have much time and energy for my model at the moment. The new job is really interesting and I love it! But in the evening I am just like a bag of patatoes ....

Today I started to build the superstructure... just in card to see if the dimensons are alright.

(https://i.imgur.com/HW5ABbt.jpg)

The outer walls are done ....

(https://i.imgur.com/r3aWjNj.jpg)

... and the front part is done ... with the help of skipper Jean-Jacques (180cm in real life) you can very well see the dimensions of the model. Skipper is happy with today work.

(https://i.imgur.com/7QqB2s3.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on July 29, 2018, 05:40:34 pm
Mor things done with my big stock of cardboard .... upper deck, wheelhouse .... looks ok!

(https://i.imgur.com/wUipuA3.jpg)

Some corrections will be made but at the moment I am happy with the result.

(https://i.imgur.com/h76ynwf.jpg)

... and the frontal view of the boat.

(https://i.imgur.com/sTxdKx7.jpg)

I did a quick model of the net winch ... not exactly the right size but a good beginning from which I can develop the real model one.

(https://i.imgur.com/Q4mnIl1.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/krY5qze.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/BTmKRhH.jpg)
Jean-Jacques is happy with today results ....
(https://i.imgur.com/p8ABDLZ.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on July 31, 2018, 08:17:40 pm
He looks very satisfied indeed. I saw these images on FB the other day and wondered whether you had started another build before deciding the structure looked very card like and realised it was Mady Jeanne!
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on July 31, 2018, 11:14:22 pm
Morning Danielle......I cannot see a reference for the axis ..or height if the stern winch drums......however they appear high?  %)

...& they don't appear on the earlier plans.....have I missed a latter image?......... Derek

Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on August 01, 2018, 03:35:18 am
I used the plan I had just for the hull. Everything above deck will be freelance of taken from other boats ....
If you add the netwinches on the original plan the model would look like this .... I dont like it ... 15.6m trawler

(https://i.imgur.com/JUugHFw.jpg)

This is what I wanted to have as superstructure ..... its OK .... 14.4m trawler
(https://i.imgur.com/YFvbXWJ.jpg)

I like this one .... mix between closed and open deck .... 14.5m trawler
(https://i.imgur.com/gtCoeoE.jpg)

Another one .... 11.9m ....
(https://i.imgur.com/6JDpTcj.jpg)

As you can see the netdrums end normally ar shoulder height .... I have some other ideas about the superstructure and I may build it in cardboard in the next days. Closed decks are very difficult to build because of the big opening to the inards of the ship.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on August 01, 2018, 04:13:22 am
Goodness....you are clearly correct by example :-))......

I have not seen trawlers with net drums so high here in Wollongong....

By the time the trawlers return to harbour, all of the catch has loaded into 100's of those BLUE plastic boxes........

I would be interested to watch a video......on how they unload the catch from the nets into the boxes.....

[one evening just on dusk....we watched the trawler shown in my image below......unload we estimated 150 of those BLUE plastic boxes each full of cooked sea prawns ]

So 150 boxes x 20kg each x $25.00/kg of prawns sell price  = $75,000.00

We love our sea prawns   :P

Derek
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on August 01, 2018, 06:52:00 am
thats a lot of $$$$!!!!!
Here a video where you can see the unloading of the trawlers. They go out fishing just for in daytime 4:00-16:00

https://youtu.be/qSBVDnhgXlg (https://youtu.be/qSBVDnhgXlg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on August 04, 2018, 04:59:42 pm
I wasn't too happy with the cardboard wheelhouse ..... too much hassle with the access into the hull. So I made a new one ....

(https://i.imgur.com/tsG5or9.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/edTVXfz.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/C8y96Ut.jpg)

.... but this version was not exactly was I wanted .... with the help of my cutter I made some adjustments and now it looks better for me.

(https://i.imgur.com/YRgku8Z.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/oMO6N4L.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/f0pZ3Vk.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/DQICKKE.jpg)
Now I can plan the deck openings and start with the deck....
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on August 04, 2018, 05:33:44 pm
The mock up is looking good Danielle. I reckon you ought to get it built soon as Jean-Jacques wants access to his bridge. He's not a happy chappy  :}
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on August 04, 2018, 11:18:50 pm
I just love the way the build has progressed from the Workshop to the Lounge Room....next you will be building sub assemblies in the Kitchen  :-)) .....just like we do in OZ  {-)

Derek
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on August 05, 2018, 04:50:51 pm
Thanks a lot ..... using the kitchen as workspace would mean .... divorce or at least some nasty f... y..'s !!!!!  <:(
I marked the openings on the deck today ... I hope this time they are big enough!!!!!

From left to right: access to the ruddershaft and servo 10x10cm. access to motor accu and technical stuff,ballast 30x28cm. access to electrical stuff, accu, ballast 32x28cm. acces to on/off switches and to load the accus 10x10cm
(https://i.imgur.com/8SlcgZ5.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/CmzgOrS.jpg)
If I would make a second, different wheelhouse and place it over opening to the motor at the rear I could make a purse seiner. Or a gill netter.....or........ %) Actually my version will have to types of fisheries possible. Bottom trawls und S. Jacobs shells which are caught in small steel "net-bags" ....
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Mark T on August 05, 2018, 05:00:35 pm
Your build is just simply amazing - keep the updates coming  :-))
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on August 06, 2018, 01:10:54 am
That second deck opening image shown would certainly provide a great deal more usable access to the internals.......if it fits the plans or prototype, then it would be a good solution

Remember we spoke recently that a vessel can be an image or format frozen in time.... 

So keep the dust out of the kitchen & maintain the status-quo. :kiss:....seriously, having a model build so close at hand does it's advantages... there is never the need to say....'lets go down to the garage or workshop to look at todays progress'.....as you do the same thing when it is so close to hand

It also eliminates......'but you spend so much time away >>:-(...[in your workshop] & not helping or talking with me'

Again, the model build so close to hand also eliminates this...so harmony in the home & boatshed in one 

Derek

Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on August 12, 2018, 04:45:05 pm
I wasn't happy with the hul so I made a little change on it!!!
(https://i.imgur.com/2lgiiNA.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/3HeMHD2.jpg)

2h later .....

(https://i.imgur.com/cw5T1Pi.jpg)

A quick sanding and nearly as new again....

(https://i.imgur.com/sjoJ2Vt.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Mark T on August 12, 2018, 05:34:13 pm
Awesome :)  It takes a lot of courage to change something that you've built to make it more like you want.  Nice one  :-))
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on August 12, 2018, 09:13:50 pm
You have to be sure that it is right to do and the tools are right as well  %%
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on August 12, 2018, 11:02:44 pm
Wow......I saw the additional thickness of that deck level board as a Wearboard or Bufferboard.....

Certainly more luck in slicing it so well than anything else :o .....[or is it a light coloured 3 Ply ..plywood section you are delaminating?]

Even 100 years ago, boat builders would have swore & cursed  >>:-( the master craftsman  ...then used a right angle adze {-) [if they were ever invented?]

Derek
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on August 14, 2018, 07:24:00 pm
No problem ... the planks are all cut out of fir ....
I'd like to fabricate the deck but ..... first I have to make shure there is enough space for all the gadgets I will have in the hull .....

The two Panasonic 12V 15Ah lead accus are a little bit small in thos big hull .... but bigger ones are just to expensive ....

(https://i.imgur.com/qro4TyR.jpg?1)

The following components are ready to be placed into the hull.
Servo, controller for the Kavan pump (black). Controller for the motor, 2 12V pumps, receiver, 2 accus. not shown: Loudspeaker box for the sound, soundmodule, Diesel exhaust simulator, Netwinches ....

(https://i.imgur.com/Pal8oAX.jpg)
The openings are huge!!!!

(https://i.imgur.com/OYgUeeV.jpg)

Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Tafelspitz on August 15, 2018, 06:24:29 am
Looks interesting! Just curious, what are you planning on doing with these two pumps?
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on August 15, 2018, 03:30:55 pm
Looks interesting! Just curious, what are you planning on doing with these two pumps?
The black Kavan pump will be used to fill a water tank .... simulating empty fishhold and boat full of fresh fish ... it can pump to both sides ....the other ones I may use to simulate water coming out of different places, cooling water, a figure holding a hose .... a tank to keep lobsters and crab alive .... everything is possible! There is enough space for all my wishes!!!!
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on August 15, 2018, 03:40:55 pm
How bid can I go with the loudspeaker for my soundmodule? I have the Allen Bond MKII Soundmodule. I only know that it has to have 8ohms. But will it work with a loudspeaker with 20cm or more in diameter? Or do I need some sort of amplfier in between?Can I feed the loudspeaker from 2 different soundmodules or will there be some sort of sound Tsunami?I'd like to have a loud engine sound of the main engine and another soundmodule with a auxiliary engine sound if my model rests on a pier .... I would use the Combo Sound Unit MK3 from Forge Electronics ...
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Big Ada on August 15, 2018, 06:49:23 pm
In the UK the people who service Lifts ( Elevators ) also Fire Alarms and also Electric Wheelchairs have lots of nearly new Batteries that they have to pay to dispose of. So ask them if you can have some.
I have not bought Batteries for years.

Len.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on August 16, 2018, 06:14:41 pm
In the UK the people who service Lifts ( Elevators ) also Fire Alarms and also Electric Wheelchairs have lots of nearly new Batteries that they have to pay to dispose of. So ask them if you can have some.
I have not bought Batteries for years.
Len.
Very good idea .... sadly I live in Switzerland .... I have a good online shop that sells lead shots and other heavy good for this purpose....
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on August 16, 2018, 10:13:55 pm
Do you not  have lifts or escalators in Department Centres or Commercial Buildings in Zurich? ....if so look up KRONE...they are a worldwide manufacturer & service group for elevators, escalators & lifts.......[you may find then over the Border in Germany.....but that is just like driving from Wollongong to Sydney {-) ]

Another source would be Security Alarm Systems providers for buildings......they would also have hundreds thousands of batteries to replace each year

These emergency [trickle charge] alarm batteries are never used apart from 6 monthly signal tests.[or in an emergency  :police: ]......however emergency Standards dictate that these  are replaced strictly on a time basis

I know KRONE escalator's and lifts are in Sydney + Adelaide + Wollongong just to name those I have seen

Alan Bond is a member here on MBM.....why not ask him for the confirmation you need with the sound generator questions....he seems very helpful in his replies here

Whichever potential source you find for batteries, include your https://www.facebook.com/fvcorneliamarie link.....that will, make them stand up & watch  O0
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on August 17, 2018, 04:33:57 am
In switzerland batteries are recycled (to get $$$$) and therefore it is not possible to get them for a model boat .... anyway ... I will order 20-30kg of lead .... a 18x5x2cm ignot of lead weights 2kg .... much more than a battery!
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Big Ada on August 17, 2018, 06:34:49 pm
In the UK the people who service Lifts ( Elevators ) also Fire Alarms and also Electric Wheelchairs have lots of nearly new Batteries that they have to pay to dispose of. So ask them if you can have some.
I have not bought Batteries for years.

Len.

I did not mean ask the GB Companies for Batteries but similar Swiss ones, don't you have Electric Wheelchairs over there?.

Len.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on August 18, 2018, 05:57:13 am
There are very little electric wheelshairs in Switzerland..... never mind .... I will work with lead as ballast.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on August 18, 2018, 06:07:21 am
OK...now you are sorted with lead .....[plumbonium] yes this is the ancient name for lead       


[I made a silly spelling error.....the multinational is Kone .......[not Krone]....sorry  :embarrassed:

Derek
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: afb on August 23, 2018, 08:57:29 am
@ missyd - my sound unit will drive a speaker of ANY diameter. I use a component hi-fi system speaker cabinet for bench testing whose front is about 15" wide so it is probably quite a large speaker in there - in my boats I typically use a 6" woofer. The only restrictions are respecting the 8 ohm and the (nominal) 12v supply - eg a fully charged lead acid battery starts at 14.5v - there's a 16v rated capacitor that will complain otherwise. The higher the voltage the louder the sound. A sizeable speaker with good bass response, properly mounted, sounds just fine, a 2" mylar coned speaker loose on the bench will sound like a woodpecker on steroids!

The output stage is a power MOSFET that simply switches the speaker on or off (by sucking it down to 0v or letting go of it altogether) so I can't see there would be an electrical conflict in using two of MY units to drive one speaker - you would have simply constructed a power NOR gate - but equally the two sounds wouldn't be additive as they would be in a true audio mixer so the result would be indeterminate. However if only one unit is working at a time then I expect they could share the same speaker successfully. But you definitely CANNOT share a speaker between my unit and anyone else's.

The nature of the signal at the output stage doesn't easily lend itself to connecting to an even more powerful external amplifier - there is a better point further back within the circuit from which to take a drive signal - then a bridge amplifier is the way to go - this is two amplifiers driven in anti-phase with the speaker connected between their two outputs -  this doubles the voltage swing on the speaker and so delivers FOUR times the power (power is V squared over R). Look on eBay for 15W stereo amplifiers featuring the TDA7297 - I've found them most satisfactory.

If you really must, I will volunteer to 'knife and fork' one of my units to provide a low level audio output to feed into such an external amplifier - but it won't be pretty!
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on August 23, 2018, 05:15:05 pm
Thanks a lot for the good informations..... As I am no electronics wizard I may use only one Sound unit and one speaker. IF I have the space (hehe shouldn't be a problem in this hull) I may add a second sound unit and a second speaker. But this would use another channel on my RC. Not shure if I will control the extra gadgets (full working nets) with my RC or a second one.Maybe I can use some sort of voltage limiter between the battery (12V) and the sound unit. Or use one 12V and one 6V battery as I did with the FV Cornelia Marie. 12V for the motor and 6V for the lights and sound. Maker wiring a little bit complicated but its easier for the lights and sound unit.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on August 24, 2018, 09:52:58 pm
Here a picture of my 32kg lead I bought .... it will take very little space in the hull!
(https://i.imgur.com/lyU0XOA.jpg)
I may not need all of the 32 kg .... lets calculate ...15kg finished hull (estimated)8kg 2x batteries32kg leadTotal 55kg .... too much weight but I can change it as I need ....
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on August 25, 2018, 02:53:45 pm
Here a picture inside of the hull .... 12pcs @2kgs visible ... 4 are behind the photographer. I will position all of them in the middle of the hull. The exact position will be chosen during the next test in water. Still a lot of space in the hull. I will place them all in some sort of trays so they will stay in place.

(https://i.imgur.com/Wgp9lFv.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on August 25, 2018, 08:39:32 pm
Those are nice ingots Danielle  :-))
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on August 26, 2018, 11:29:32 pm
Danielle.....with all the talk of other things...I cannot remember reading about the main engine scale installed power....have I forgotten such mention?

It is just that the little Krick electric geared motor looks :o small for a 30+ kg displacement hull

Derek
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on August 27, 2018, 04:33:56 am
Ingots are very nice to work with. All the same size and all weight about 2.025kgs each....
The little Krick motor is small ... I used the same motor/prop combo for the N. Loredana. They work well for the Loredana. So I tought I give it a try. Its a very powerful motor that is used for heavy truck models.....
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on August 28, 2018, 08:39:05 pm
Today I made the trays where I can put the ignots to stay at their place.

(https://i.imgur.com/bR4Hv6Y.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/PHvmmcm.jpg)

The big tray will also be the base for the big batteries. They will be mounted on the piece of plywood and I will make it so that I can change the position of the batteries easely.

(https://i.imgur.com/3PunU8I.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/zb4suUb.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on September 03, 2018, 07:21:58 pm
I finished the ballast boxes and screwed them in place in the hull....
I also received my 2pcs of 12V15Ah batteries. So I will place them on a piece of plywood (boxlike) on top of the big ballastbox.

(https://i.imgur.com/532gcC1.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/e1T75OW.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/S8SGAmo.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: RST on September 03, 2018, 11:58:33 pm
Afraid I have to comment on the motor choice also.  The build is very superb indeed, but every sight of the small-although geared motor so far leaves me wondering.  I can not see it working at all moving this size of hull, least not without some fantastic current draw.  This is such a great build but I think the motor is very much under-sized.  It looks like a 2hp engine fitted in the real boat which I don't think would go far.  I will take my hat-off if it works, but it looks fantastically under powered and over-propped so far.  It would be such a shame to have to change motors later.  I may be wrong and happy to be proved otherwise.  Rich
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Ianlind on September 04, 2018, 02:39:33 am
I tend to agree with Rich, as I also feel the motor is way too small to do the job on this large hull.
Ian.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on September 04, 2018, 04:23:24 am
I know the motor might by a problem .... but its one of the most powerful combinations my hobbyshop had. And it worked well for the N. Loredana which is half the weight but has the same 80mm prop.I am happy to get informations about better suited motors with a 1:6 reduction. I will not use direct power in any way ....
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Ianlind on September 04, 2018, 06:48:22 am
We used to always use the formula of the motor being around the same diameter as the prop for direct drive.
The attached image is of the drive in my tug, Iron Cove, which is 1.5m long. The motor is a Ford heater fan motor driving a 150mm 4 blade prop with a reduction of around 3:1.
Runs all day on a large car battery, with plenty left over.
[size=78%]Ian[/size]
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on September 04, 2018, 05:16:48 pm
OK....lets see if my model will run with the small motor or if I have to upgrade to a bigger one .... I like my combo because I can use all the power from 0-100%! Normally 100% means your model is going like a raceboat. No with my combo the prop turns just over 2500rpms. Thats enough to get the model going.
Some quick work and grey color to get the hull waterproof. Lighter color is an effect of my lamp I have downstairs.

(https://i.imgur.com/prCmOuJ.jpg)

There is a nice wooden look (it a wooden hull so it can look wooden). Not the usual shiny a plastic one most models have.

(https://i.imgur.com/6kBaFBz.jpg)

Just before I finished my work .... the hull slipped from my low working table and bumm on the concrete floor .... no damage done. Just some color was missing. I repaired it in 2-3mins.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: jarvo on September 04, 2018, 10:08:29 pm
The hull is not damaged, but what about the floor????? 
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on September 05, 2018, 04:17:28 am
The concrete floor is undamaged....  ok2
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on September 05, 2018, 07:05:58 pm
Looking good Danielle  :-)) 
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on September 20, 2018, 05:16:43 pm
After finishing with the primer I decided to mark the waterline .... not much freeboard left but I will make the deck some 10-15mm hinger than planned.
Now I can put er into the bathtub the second time and I hope I have enough ballast to keep her level in the water.

(https://i.imgur.com/G7WrHNM.jpg)

This pen did not work well .....

(https://i.imgur.com/1aQfKZA.jpg)

I redid everything with a waterproof Edding ....

(https://i.imgur.com/WALoYBk.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: jarvo on September 20, 2018, 05:53:13 pm
When you ballast down for the water line, sprinkle a little talcum powder on the water, it will stick to the hull and give you an accurate waterline
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on September 20, 2018, 10:18:19 pm
You could also consider Float-a-Coat  :o ... as the name suggests, it is a non water soluble oil based paint....[usually black]....

Just fill the bath 2/3 full with standard cold tap water .......place the vessel in the bath & ballast her to the intended waterline......without too much splashing.........add a few gallons of Float-a-Coat

Gently & squarely lift the vessel from the water & the black Float-a-Coat will leave a perfectly level waterline & also represent the black antifouling over the entire under surface of the hull :-X

Perfect job well done....not sure who will clean the bath though  {-)

Derek

PS.....Float-a-Coat is now also available in a TBTO  [Tributyltinoxide] formulation which is has excellent cacogenic properties to minimise weed & mollusc growth  on underwater hull surfaces O0
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on September 21, 2018, 03:17:07 am
When you ballast down for the water line, sprinkle a little talcum powder on the water, it will stick to the hull and give you an accurate waterline
Very good idea! I'll try thta if I build a model where the waterline is not clear like this time ....
Quote
You could also consider Float-a-Coat  (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/Smileys/Tug/shocked.gif) ... as the name suggests, it is a non water soluble oil based paint....[usually black]....
Just fill the bath 2/3 full with standard cold tap water .......place the vessel in the bath & ballast her to the intended waterline......without too much splashing.........add a few gallons of Float-a-Coat
Gently & squarely lift the vessel from the water & the black Float-a-Coat will leave a perfectly level waterline & also represent the black antifouling over the entire under surface of the hull (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/Smileys/Tug/lipsrsealed.gif)
Perfect job well done....not sure who will clean the bath though  (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/Smileys/Tug/grin.gif)
Derek
PS.....Float-a-Coat is now also available in a TBTO  [Tributyltinoxide] formulation which is has excellent cacogenic properties to minimise weed & mollusc growth  on underwater hull surfaces (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/Smileys/Tug/smiley.gif)
Good one!!!!  {-) {-) {-) {-) I'll do that if you are here in Switzerland and clean the bathtub afterwards!!!!
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Tafelspitz on September 21, 2018, 06:22:22 am
As for cleaning your tub, I highly recommend this detergent (https://www.gd-otscanada.com/product/hand-grenades/). There's practically nothing it won't remove. Tested and trusted.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on September 22, 2018, 07:55:58 pm
 :-)) :-))
The bathtub is too small!!!
(https://i.imgur.com/rwDQJao.jpg)

40kg Ballast ... 32kg Lead ignots and 8kg Batteries

1cm left in the back....

(https://i.imgur.com/on5H0wu.jpg)

4cm in the front .... Waterline is OK as it is ... I will correct it.

(https://i.imgur.com/3TAxnts.jpg)

Left 18kg lead, 20kg lead & batteriesin the middle and 2kg leadto the right.

(https://i.imgur.com/GScg7KK.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/4EwwQVC.jpg)

Looks nice ....

(https://i.imgur.com/IO1L2ht.jpg)

Looks even nicer!

(https://i.imgur.com/iHxUlZn.jpg)
Wheelhouse will go some 5-10cm to the front .... PERFECT.

(https://i.imgur.com/Yfgb1sZ.jpg)

I packes all the lead ignots into foil. So I can handle it without any risk.

(https://i.imgur.com/FVpqnjf.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on September 22, 2018, 09:30:41 pm
Increase the water level by 100 mm [just lapping the top edges of the bath :o] & she will free float on her lines  :-))

Its either that or get a bigger pond  :-X
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on September 26, 2018, 07:06:45 pm
Increase the water level by 100 mm [just lapping the top edges of the bath :o ] & she will free float on her lines  :-))

Its either that or get a bigger pond  :-X
She was floating free .... 20mm at the front and 100mm at the back ....
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on September 26, 2018, 07:12:05 pm
I did some changes on my working base to get the waterline level....

(https://i.imgur.com/J7oY04B.jpg)

Now I have to go back down into my working space ....
Next I will build the bildge keel. The long smaller ones are normal. The higher and shorter ones are to keep the boat upright when the tide is low ... the ship will sit on them like a base of a model. I took the pics at a famous werft in Douarnenez in Brittany when I visited it during my holidays.

(https://i.imgur.com/srqLDkf.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/7SrPMrm.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on October 02, 2018, 08:24:07 pm
Still no idea how these ailerons on the hull are called....I designed everything directly on the hull. I may put them some 10-20mm more up to the side of the hull.

(https://i.imgur.com/1ukHlxk.jpg)

.... and in no time they are done. In cardboard .... can use them as template!

(https://i.imgur.com/w1LcZVh.jpg)

As shown before the short ones are need to keep the boat upright. And it saves me to bring a stand with me.

(https://i.imgur.com/PSdhcWk.jpg)

Everything will be built to the highest standard ... I mean they have to be very well made or they will brake the first day on the lake ....
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on October 02, 2018, 08:52:13 pm
They are Bilge keels I think. Would they also act as supports for dry docking in most situations?
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on October 02, 2018, 11:30:29 pm
Danielle......the images of the steel Bilge Keel arrangements on the full sized vessel [26th September] clearly show the hull is supported on the main keel longitudinal plate


If yo intend to support your hull on the pair of lower bilge keel edges, you would necessarily require each keel attachment edge to support the total weight of your model as a consequence of the model lowering onto one keel attachment only


Derek
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on October 03, 2018, 04:30:52 am
The keel will support most of the weight ....
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on October 06, 2018, 05:04:28 pm
Ok my friends ... I wont make the built-in boatstand .... too risky.
I made the first bilge keel ... I used 0.49mm tinplate ... I just love this material!!!Doubled everything up to make it sturdy.

In the pic you can see from top to bottom.Cardboard template.Cutout tinplate sectionCutout tinplate section with tape on it to mark the outline.

(https://i.imgur.com/moVfGHz.jpg)

I used this tools today .... not in the pcture my Proxxon bandsaw.

(https://i.imgur.com/Pgl6e0f.jpg)

The result of todays work.

(https://i.imgur.com/nxnMyCm.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/60nMxAU.jpg)

I will soldier a lot of brackets to the bildge keel. I want to screw it to the hull.Tinplate is a very nice material to work with. I can understand why they made all kind of toys out of it.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: birlinn on October 06, 2018, 06:33:36 pm

I would worry the tinplate will bend far too easily.
Me? I would go for 5mm brass at your scale.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: JimG on October 06, 2018, 08:34:32 pm
If using tinplate make sure that the edges are well sealed otherwise they will rust rapidly when wet. (tin makes steel rust faster than normal.)
Jim
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on October 07, 2018, 06:44:52 am
I do not like to work with brass that much .... use it only if there is no other material suitable ...The bilge keels will not bend nor beark of nor bend.
I will seal the edges with a lot of paint ....

Actually I think, as most of you are building ships the normal way (things break off easily) , the question if the bilge keel will be strong enough amusing ....
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on October 08, 2018, 07:26:42 pm
2nd bildge keel ready! Always wear safety glasses if working with metal and other materials ....
(https://i.imgur.com/W2XDJ7N.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/KrULm1j.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on October 09, 2018, 05:57:20 pm
Today I used my special tool to work with tinplate .... you can cut the pieces and you can fold them to 90°....Very sturdy the 90° brackets. The 2 visible brackets where made to see how it works out.

(https://i.imgur.com/YOjE4sC.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/3upc6Wi.jpg)

I will drill one hole in the brackets to screw it into the hull and make the corners rounder....

(https://i.imgur.com/yyF0Tll.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on October 09, 2018, 10:37:56 pm

I nearly bought one of those bend chop and fold tools years ago at the now defunct Axminster Power tool Expo as they had such devices on offer! I am green with envy  :} Lovely job on the keels.




I used to love watching the wood turning demos. I won several bowls made and paid a good few quid for them (Money going to Devon Air Ambulance) and gave them away as raffle prizes at a do a few weeks later. It was like pearls to swine, someone even had the cheek to ask if I had got a lovely spalted beech one at Ikea  <*<
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on October 31, 2018, 03:47:25 pm
Haven't done much the last 3 weeks ... as said before ... I lost a little bit interest in shipbuilding at the moment. I also was 10 days in France to visit the Bretagne again and a quick tour of the ports in Normandy (I did not visit any military things) and Pas de Calais. Lots of beautiful ports to visit!
So today I spent nearly 2h to finish the bilge keels. They are rather nice!!!

(https://i.imgur.com/SEY1Wht.jpg?1)

The usual crocodile clamps to hold everything together.

(https://i.imgur.com/WC1qMXP.jpg?1)

And here the sinished bilge keels. Happy to have them finished. I was not shure to get them right.

(https://i.imgur.com/Yh6OgKE.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/e5Jc1TT.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on November 01, 2018, 04:51:58 pm
Fixing the bilge keels to the hull. I used M2x6 hex screws.

(https://i.imgur.com/dZl2Esa.jpg)

A very nice detail even if it will not be noticed later.

(https://i.imgur.com/1y84M7o.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/fBTptRU.jpg)

Both sides finished.

(https://i.imgur.com/ZSoPWQu.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/SZERnXt.jpg)

The bilge keels are securely fixed with the hull. I made the test!!!

(https://i.imgur.com/e18FjFo.jpg)

Finished with this important detail. Now I will fabricate the rudder ....
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on November 03, 2018, 12:13:25 pm
They'll do the job, and be sturdy enough to sit her on if needed.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on January 16, 2019, 06:36:59 pm
The bilge keels started to rust. I removed the rust by sanding the keels and a brush with some black matte paint covered everything in no time (leftover from the Cornelia Marie).
(https://i.imgur.com/H8pLemi.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/agHuuee.jpg)
I'll finish this project in the future but I have 2 other nice projects waiting to be finished. I need some time off from shipbuilding ....  %) A) I used a Traxxas TRX4 4x4 Chassis Kit to build a RC version of my wifes Suzuki SJ410 offroader she had as her first car. It has a scale of 1/6.6 ... the kit has 4x4, RC 2 gearshifting gearbox, the 2 differentials can be locked by RC.B) I purchased from eBay in the UK a livesteam locomotive from the 60ties ... I need some TLC to get it running again. Its fired by methylated spirits. Its gauge is 3". So I have to build all the track by myself. I just bought another one from eBay from the same antiques shop on eBay. They are rather nice as the builder left them unpainted. So everything is shiny in brass, copper and steel.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Big Ada on January 17, 2019, 06:25:21 pm
It is great to see you back Dannielle, I think we would like to see your New Steam Engine, will you be Posting work you are doing on it on this Forum ( we do have " Other Builds " )  O0 O0 O0.

Len.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on January 17, 2019, 07:36:13 pm
Len, I will make a tread on "other builds" in the future ....Just one pic of the steam-loco .... I bought it because it is freelance and has character ...
(https://i.imgur.com/hfLeoE8.jpg)
And one of the Suzuki SJ410 ... very difficult to build from lousy plans and a 1/43 scale model. Actually the chassis kit is 1/10 scale .... this shows how small this Suzuki really is that I can build it in 1/6.6 scale

(https://i.imgur.com/e1Y9lbk.jpg)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on April 17, 2019, 06:29:17 pm
Yesterday before going to bed I had the idea for my netwinch...no need to put the trawldoor on the net. Just let it slip into the water.The trick is....the net must be on the winch the wrong way. Using a third rope I start with the end of the net. May also work with twin nets...

My good old Meccano netwinch simulator was of great help!
(https://i.imgur.com/UJVZ3z7.jpg)
First you let the trawldoors and part of the net into the water. I think the ship should be stopped and/or the prop protected with some device. No need that everything gets into the prop.
(https://i.imgur.com/cpojeNR.jpg)
Looks ok ... now the net lowered more into the water and maybe e little bit of foward motion iss needed for the next step.
Extend the trawcables to the maximum length. The net is upside down....with some wight in the end it shoud be possible to accelerate a little bit and turn the net under water.
(https://i.imgur.com/2bCfU26.jpg)
It will then look like this ....
(https://i.imgur.com/s3WEPxW.jpg)
Hauling in the net is easy. Use the net- and trawlwinch together to get the net in. Ship should be stopped or advancing slowly.
(https://i.imgur.com/sCT1mOD.jpg)
At the end everything should be on board nice and tidy....Hope it will work...I will give it a try as it will add to the fun of going to model shows to show of what can be done with a fishtrawler.I think in deeper water the net could hang vertically in the water und then will plenty of acceleration it should turn as it should be...
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on April 17, 2019, 11:23:43 pm

I reckon that it is worth trying. One of the manufacturers produced a model boat with a daughter boat that can be controlled,
Brian 60 is also working on a ship with a daughter boat in a compartment with rollers!
Kenny (RIP) was working on a complex Bireme, And there are several gun fire simulators in service or being built, so you stand your corner for the Mayhem Fishing fleet Danielle!











Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Taranis on October 21, 2019, 09:18:37 am
Missing your posts Danielle, hope you are well and still building
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on October 21, 2019, 08:45:23 pm
Yes, I often think of you and your excellent builds. I hope you are OK. Touch base if you can  :-)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on October 23, 2019, 08:20:40 am
Hello all...everything allright here in Switzerland...haven't found the time and energy to start building again...my job is so demanding that I afteer work I have no energy and brainpower left to be creative in my workspace...I will (if possible) change to part-time working 80% in 2020 if my boss gives his ok. This would give me Monday off for my hobbies....
Greetings to all for you!!!
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Taranis on October 23, 2019, 08:37:06 am
We are glad to know you are OK  :-))
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on October 23, 2019, 09:08:32 am
Hullo Danielle....from Australia........ %) ?.....I hosted your digital images when your IT provider hiccuped.
 
...... we will wait  O0 until 2020 if that is what is needed

Remember I asked your advice about your rudder chain drive........I have sort of copied but it will be visual......

So same concept but with alternate material

Derek
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: MikeK on October 23, 2019, 10:48:31 am
We are glad to know you are OK  :-))


I second that, many pleasurable hours spent reading your latest creations


Mike
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Mark T on October 23, 2019, 04:08:29 pm

I second that, many pleasurable hours spent reading your latest creations


Mike


Yep and me - good to hear your ok :)

Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on October 26, 2019, 09:02:45 am
Remember I asked your advice about your rudder chain drive........I have sort of copied but it will be visual......
So same concept but with alternate material


Derek...thats a brilliant solution with your chaindrive....where did you find the parts for it? I can't find such realistic looking items.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on October 26, 2019, 09:16:15 am

Danielle........it is from Jin at Microcosm in China....he offers different bore sizes.....the mechanical strength of the chain will not equal your stainless wire loop chain.......however the brass chain has a visual place in model engineering O0 .....Derek

http://www.microcosm-engine.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=28&products_id=316 (http://www.microcosm-engine.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=28&products_id=316)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on October 27, 2019, 04:54:59 pm
Ok look very nice but for daily abuse when trawling the boat lake I will use my chain...  ok2
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on February 15, 2020, 06:43:53 am
I am cleaning and tidying up my workspace. It was impossible to work in such a mess. Also a reason why I stopped building the Mady-Jeanne last year. But there is a bright light on the end of the tunnel....it will take another 2-3 weeks to get everything sorted out but I will have much more space to work. The Masy-Jeanne can be parked in the far corner and will be out of the way. I also bought a big bandsaw from Metabo....At the moment it looks even worse as I have to put all thing somewhere to get space cleared to put thig back in boxes etc.... but in the end it will ok.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Capt Podge on February 15, 2020, 09:40:34 am
Hi Danielle, once everything is tidied up you'll have trouble finding things - been there, done that  %% - this will be a good time to use sticky labels on the boxes etc...


Hopefully, you will be back to the modelling in a couple of weeks time  :-))


Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on February 15, 2020, 10:53:53 am
Hullo again Danielle

I thought you were happy with the smaller Proxxon bandsaw......[we see it to the left still under the wall shelf] ...did it have limitations for your work?, or was there another need for the larger Metabo unit %) ?


Derek



Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on February 15, 2020, 04:37:55 pm
Hi Derek, the Proxxon is ok to cut the everything that is needed for a model...but I started making some small furniture for our flat...ever cut a 1x4" with the Proxxon. The bigger one cut just through any wood with ease. I also have to think about my next project...this will be another nice ship but maybe a liittle bigger!
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on March 20, 2020, 06:29:39 pm
I finished my new trolley for the Mady-Jeanne. I made it as sturdy as possible.
Picture 1: I reused the board used to build the hull
Picture 2: I added handgrips so its possible to lift it
Picture 3: I added a second smaller board over the first one. It has an axle that allows me to incline it so far that the hull is level
I will add some sort of screws so that I can fine-tune the level. I also working on a shiplifting device. I can lift the hull be myself as it is too big. So a handpowered device was bought. (Picture 4)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Taranis on March 20, 2020, 07:08:27 pm
Looks fit for the job  :-))   Love to see them united  O0
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on March 23, 2020, 06:22:15 pm
Today I fixed the block and tackle on the ceiling. The original rope wasn't very good so I changed it for a better one. Not easy to find a store who sells ropes. Everything is closed because of this mexican beer virus.....but the supermarket run by a company caring for our farmers had all departments open. Even the non food / DIY who should be closed.Next step will be the making of the rectangular part with the lifting straps. Straps and all hardware incl. steelropes are on stock. My plywood reserve is on a record low. I may have to order some soon. Only shops can still sell plywood but only online and with home delivery....
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on March 26, 2020, 06:05:44 am
Today I added the aluminium L-profiles that will enable me to adjust the inclination of the board....I will exchange the hex screw with some selfmade ones (from treaded rod).
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on March 31, 2020, 06:58:26 pm
I finished my model boat lifting device today! It was rather difficult as no DIY store has open and online shops have a delivery time of 1-4 weeks. I will upgrade some of the parts if the world is getting back to nirmal one day in the future.
If you have questions about it please feel free to ask.

Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on March 31, 2020, 10:42:57 pm
Very semi Industrial Danielle  O0 .....it has hazey roots of lifting great weights during the building of the Pyramids all those years ago....


.......but any aid to eliminate a damaged back/spine is  :-)) ...... Derek
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on April 01, 2020, 06:59:22 pm
Next step was to build a small table that fits into the hull. Turn the hull upside down over the table on some blankets and working on the underside is no problem. Everything is made to highest standards....  ok2

Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on April 09, 2020, 06:39:08 pm
Now I built some other stuff...look at the pictures and have a go with your comment what the finished item will be.

Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Taranis on April 09, 2020, 06:46:20 pm
Scissor lift  :-)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on April 09, 2020, 10:30:36 pm

Oil Rig?


Seriously though, Taranis might well be right given the number of identical parts.


I find deep tidying is like a sliding puzzle where you have to tidy and move loads of stuff to tidy and store other bits before moving the original stuff back or elsewhere again.


It's good to hear you are well in Switzerland.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: derekwarner on April 09, 2020, 11:46:32 pm
OK.....give us a clue  %) ....what is the significance [if any] is the progressive reduction in height of the shaft axis?  :-X ..... Derek
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on April 10, 2020, 06:02:59 am
OK.....give us a clue  %) ....what is the significance [if any] is the progressive reduction in height of the shaft axis?  :-X ..... Derek
No Derek....I made everything in a hurry and precision...well there is only a little bit of it.
But I must say that these parts are never modeled by us....never seen them in a picture.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Mark T on April 10, 2020, 09:32:13 am
Hi Danielle nice to see you modelling again  :-))   Is it a conveyor??
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on April 10, 2020, 11:30:09 am
No its not a conveyor...Its only used if you have the ship.....
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Mark T on April 10, 2020, 11:48:15 am
Some sort of dry dock or trailer mounting???
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on April 10, 2020, 02:43:46 pm
Yessss!!!!! :-))
Dry dock mountings...many use them to work on the hull outside of the water but nearly nobody uses them with a model ship. Mine are made of plywood, screws and alu axles. I hoped to get to a metal store before the lockdown but it wasn't possible. I will redo them in the future made of aluminium/brass/iron with better results and more looking like the originals.After mounting them I turned the Mady-Jeanne upside down with the help of my wife. As you can see my modelship trolley has some multiuse options built in. I think it will help me a lot to finish my model.

Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Taranis on April 10, 2020, 03:47:29 pm
Cool  8)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Mark T on April 10, 2020, 04:33:27 pm
Very nice idea  :-)) 8)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on April 18, 2020, 08:21:52 pm
Off we go with building the rudder....
Pic1: 2x0.5mm copper soldered together....the result was ok but I wasn't happy with my soldering skills
Pic2: 4x0.5mm tinplate. Massive and heavy rudder. it looks ok BUT soft soldering was really difficult due to th massive thickness of it.
Pic3: You can notice the difference in thickness...
Pic4: I did some tryouts with leftover pieces of copper. and I decided to ad a 3rd copper plate (3x0.5mm) to the first rudder I made. Soldering skills where much improved and I managed to get everything together. I used mostly the small Proxxon flametrower!
Pic5: My two trusty soldering stations...the Weller goes up to 480°C.Pic6: To top it off I made a bottom attachment where the lower axe will go in. I'd liked to have it differently but the metal store is closed because everything is shut down for nothing....
Next step is to make the upper attachment for the superior axle....
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Mark T on April 18, 2020, 09:01:07 pm
Hi Danielle


Thats a tricky job with that much metal - Having looked at your pictures I think that I would make the connection between your rudder and rudder post differently.  Thats a lot of metal joined by a small area and may fail under the pressure of such a big ship.  I would try and join them so that they act as one piece.  In other words I would try and make it so that the rudder post is joined to the rudder in its entirety to reduce the number of joints and add to its strength.  Just my thoughts


Mark
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on April 19, 2020, 06:01:40 am
You're right Mark....the problem is that the shops are closed...no way to get some decent copper profiles for the next weeks or months....
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Mark T on April 19, 2020, 04:22:08 pm
Hi Danielle whats is the diameter of your rudder post?  Maybe someone on the forum could send you some if they have some brass rod spare.  Then I guess you could cut a slot in it and fit it over the rudder.  Just a suggestion to maybe get you through this time of scarce material.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on April 20, 2020, 06:55:51 pm
Hi Danielle whats is the diameter of your rudder post?  Maybe someone on the forum could send you some if they have some brass rod spare.  Then I guess you could cut a slot in it and fit it over the rudder.  Just a suggestion to maybe get you through this time of scarce material.
Thanks a lot for you offer Mark. Its a treaded rod M4...I used it on all my models and its ok....
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on April 20, 2020, 07:05:25 pm
Now my friends ... the rudder is finished. I have just to clean the parts before I paint them.
Pic1...Rudder soldiered and ready for the next step.
Pic2...The parts I need to make the attachement to the rudder axle
Pic3...I even used a very old mini anvil...
Pic4...Now that is looking fine for me...the 1st set took me 2h to finish (not so nicely) only to loose one part and so I redid everything in 1h much nicer work....
Pic5---6....ready for action!!
Pic7...the M2.5 hex screws are essential...at the moment they are rather loose so I can take it apart again...
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Taranis on April 20, 2020, 08:23:42 pm
I love your work, most splendid scale  :-)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on April 21, 2020, 05:58:04 pm
Thanks a lot Andy!!!! :-))
Mark...I did find 4mm round brass profile in my new storage tubes....it was a little bit hidden but I managed to make the rudder post perfectly with it. O0
Now the rudder is 100% finished! It was one of the best things I did as model ship builder.
Pic1...2: Shows how small these 2.5mm hex scres and nuts are...spanner is a 3.5. It was important for me to do it this way.
Pic3: First fitting of the rudder....This is with the treaded M4 rod....wasn't happy with it.
Pic4: End version of the rudder. The rudder post is screwed into the upper flange and secured with M4 nut.

Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Mark T on April 21, 2020, 07:35:32 pm
Very nice and very tidy miniature engineering  :-))   This ship is going to be amazing!
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on April 22, 2020, 06:00:08 pm
Thanks a lot Mark!!! :-)) ;)
Today I started to make the keel protection .... all trawlers from brittany have some sort of protection because some of them stay on sand/mud when the tide is low.I have to make it by stacking 4x0.5mm tinplate together and will then solder it together.
Pic 1-3: Mark and cut the tinplate with my special tool.
Pic 4: I used a L-shaped aluprofile to get the pieces together.
Pic 5: Ready to get soldiered. Everything is held together with M3 screws. The holes will be used to fix the part on the keel. Its heavy!
 
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on April 26, 2020, 04:01:25 pm
Disaster!!! <:( Impossible to soldier it nicely together....I ordered some 15x4mm brass profiles that should delivered this week....In the meantime I work on my Les Paul style guitar kit I bought some time ago...
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on April 29, 2020, 05:36:27 pm
Got the brass profiles today! Very fast delivery indeed...  :}
Pic 1 shows the first profile bent to fit the keel.
Pic 2 without the right tools you can't bend the profile at all. Luckily I got this pair of bending devices from my apprenticeship. Useful they are.
Pic 3 Gas torch and normal solder for electronics with flux. Heat the profile and if the temperature is alright you may solder severl cms in one go.
Pic 4 its massive and heavy. Will add some weight very low. Any weight is welcome with a model this big.
Pic 5 Cleaned ... looks ok. At the tip it will fit the keel much better in the end.






Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Mark T on April 29, 2020, 05:51:03 pm
Thats a nice fit for such thick metal top job  :-))   How are you going to secure it to the bow - screws?
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on April 29, 2020, 05:52:43 pm
Mark, I will use a lot of screws. Did the same with the N. Loredana in a much smaller scale. I drilled the holes already.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Mark T on April 29, 2020, 06:01:11 pm
Yea thats the same as I did - I also sat the metal on a bed of epoxy resin just in case any water got between the keel and the metal.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on April 29, 2020, 07:04:50 pm
Ok! I normally use a lot of wet paint between the brass and wood. I never use Epoxy on my boats.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on May 01, 2020, 05:19:41 pm
Work is done....went well and I am happy with the result.
Pic 1: I used these useful little clamps to hold the brass profiles together during soldiering.
Pic 2: 1.120kg is the weight. I hoped for some more... {-)
Pic 3: I also redid the lower bearing for the rudder...
Pic 4&5: Before fixing it permanently to the keel.
Pic 6: I used really thick acrylic paint on the keel to get things watertight.
Pic 7&8: The paint that is coming out under the brass profile is used as paint on the hull
Pic 9: Black matte acrylic paint is used over the new part.
I must say that the additional protecting keel is making the hull much better. The wooden keel was not the right shape. So in the end it cost me a few hours work and some hard earned swiss francs to get it done.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on May 02, 2020, 03:14:50 pm
Saturday....I did some painting. And I got some round 4mm brass profile from the reopened DIY superstore. No I wont visit it again as long as this silly Coronavirus pandemia joe is around.
OK I did some sanding and put on some matte black.

Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on May 02, 2020, 10:41:04 pm

Hi Danielle. You are doing some brilliant model engineering there. I always like to see some quality metalwork.


I am pleased for you at getting to the point where you can pop some paint on. I always feel it is a signpost that you are getting somewhere with a project.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on May 03, 2020, 06:03:43 am
You're right...I was at a point where I did not go ahead with this model. But I found a way to restart everything...but I do other projects in between. I built a kitchen cupboard and actually I do the finishing on a guitar kit.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on May 04, 2020, 05:18:47 pm
Today is dual work day....painting the Marie-Jeanne's hull matte black and varnishing my Les Paul guitar kit....Careful with the black paint...you have to keep your hand clean!  ok2

Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on May 06, 2021, 04:49:38 pm
One year later with a better equipped workshop I restarted building this model.
Pic 1: shows how small the motor is. The propshaft and prop are ready. The boxes are: Big box for 2x Battery. 3 smaller ones are to hold the lead (20-30kg)
Pic 2: Preparing the hull for the deck.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: SailorGreg on May 06, 2021, 05:42:06 pm
Welcome back Danielle!  Lovely to see Mady Jeanne progressing again.  I can't get over how small that motor is - it looks too small to drive a boat of this size and weight, but I'm sure she will be perfect when she hits the water.


Greg
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Mark T on May 06, 2021, 06:46:09 pm
I was only thinking about your build the other day wondering how you were getting on.  Welcome back  :-))
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Taranis on May 06, 2021, 07:50:30 pm
Great that you’re back 🎉 👌
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on May 07, 2021, 06:23:10 pm
Thanks to you all!!!! Its really nice to be back at work on my trawler.
The Motor ist really small...well see. I used the same one for the N.Loredana.
More work done on the rudder and ruddershaft.
Pic 1: Rudder and prop arangement. Maybe I should change the 80mm diameter prop for a 10cm one....
Pic 2: I may use a chain (like my other boats have) but I am not shure about it. I'll go to the nearest model shop tomorrow to get a stronger servo. The one I have is too small. And some servo attachments too.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: SteamboatPhil on May 07, 2021, 06:34:11 pm
We have all missed you, (and the build) great to have you back, still loving your work......your Dremel is bigger than your motor..... :-)) :-)) :-)) ....I think you need a bigger motor...to late late for a smaller boat  {-) {-)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Taranis on May 07, 2021, 06:42:00 pm
I must admit I am quite startled by the small size of the motor but I'm not criticising this. However with any motor my own choice is to ensure 100% straight alignment. I have a severe dislike of universal couplings  %)


I love the build  :-)




EDIT if you think a bigger prop looks better go for it  O0
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on May 08, 2021, 02:51:43 pm
Hooray you're back! I recall you using a reasonable sized motor in a Hoooooge hull  :}  So, what did you do to improve your workshop Danielle? Is it all 'Singing and dancing' as we say in Blighty?
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on May 08, 2021, 05:10:37 pm
Ordered a 100mm Prop today. Looks much better on this big hull. The Motor is OK its a Krick Max Gear with 6:1 reduction. If the gearing is not ok I can change it for one with 3:1 reduction.My Workshop has much more space as I moved thing around. I have a big Metabo bandsaw and a brilliant Proxxon lathe. I also have fixed a rope train who can lift up to 150kgs.
Pic1: New rope train to lift things up to 150kg

Pic2: Makes mowing the ship aroung much easier
Pic3: The new boat trolley. The hull can be placed as you want on the trolley. And the deck will be level and the keel going downwards.
Pic4: Trolley with hull on it
Pic5: My Proxxon lathe...brilliant machine. It sits an a sturdy tool trolley with all my gadgets in it but tools.
Pic6: Placing the lathe on the trolley

Pic6:
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Taranis on May 08, 2021, 05:12:46 pm
Wow  :-)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on May 08, 2021, 05:23:11 pm
The Max Gear 6:1 motor turns at 2633rpm at 12V. I have the 12V Batteries ready....  ok2
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on May 11, 2021, 03:33:27 pm
The hull with its new red underwater color.....there is no exact match for the anti fouling color normally used, but it will dry much darker....I may need more layers of this wonderful acrylic paint. I bought it from the artist shop nearby.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on May 12, 2021, 03:49:19 pm
More color found its way to the hull.....today the typical white triangle that most trawlers in brittany have.I used the artists acrylic color from SCHMICKE in Germany. Their Academy line dries waterproof.
Pic1: I use 10mm masking tape from Tamiya and normal masking tape from the DIY shop.
Pic2: 2-3 layers of Titanwhite and it looks rather nice. 1-2 layer later and its OK.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on May 13, 2021, 02:48:33 pm
Pic1 & 2: Today I used a lot of wood filler to get the ugly things away on the top two planks....wasn't easy to get it right by hand sanding. I also have to redo the rudder shaft with a new 5mm diameter brass one. You also may notice the unusual way how the hull is kept in place by 6 adjustable clamps. The hull is kept in the right angle on the trolley. Helps to keepthings straight and upright.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Mark T on May 13, 2021, 05:58:04 pm
That’s looking nice  :-))   The work bench also looks industrial I really like the supports.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on May 19, 2021, 05:47:18 am
Thanks a lot Mark. During my last visit in Brittany I saw similar supports used for maintenance work in workspaces in ports like Le Guilvenec.....
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on May 22, 2021, 05:00:44 pm
A lot of work done this week....I spent many hours in my small workspace. The result are very nice. I build most of it without any plan and freestyle ... only with this method I can put all my fantasy into the build.
Pic1: The first support is cut.
Pic2: Overall view.
Pic3: You can see the Stringer and its radius.
Pic4: Opening in the deck is big and access to the 2x 4.5kg batteries ist easy. The hull holds also all my clamps!
Pic5: Hull in full. I have to build an easy access door to the ruddershaft. The servo will be in the bif deck opening. The deck at the bow will need a special construction.
Hope you like it.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on May 25, 2021, 06:03:21 pm
The next step was to fit the rudder servo (Hitec servo for sails) into a very small space. I always use the chain sprocket method. It came out rather nice but I worked the full weekend to get it right.

Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on May 28, 2021, 03:55:54 pm
More work done the last days.....
Pic1: I fitted the new 100mm dia prop.
Pic2: Krick MaxGear 6:1 Motor and its propshaft coupling
Pic3: To cover the opening of the rudder mechanism I made a cover that acts as the place where they can sort the fish/shellfish/whatever......
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Mark T on May 28, 2021, 09:55:33 pm
Thats nice work Danielle keep the updates coming  :-))
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on May 30, 2021, 06:44:37 am
Thanks a lot Mark ....  :-))
Finished the "fishbox/cover" ....
Pic1: Fishbox/cover ...only need to add magnets to told it in place in stormy weather ... I built this model to "play" with it in the waves.
Pic2: most of the 2mm ply deck is glued in....

Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on June 02, 2021, 04:36:43 pm
Today I worked at the bow.....
Pic1&2: I glued some little pieces of wood the have more contact surface for the glue
Pic3: Time for heavy metal... ok2 a piece of swiss railway track
Pic4&5: Jean-Jacque the future skipper of the Mady-Jeanne is inspecting the hull....

Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on June 04, 2021, 06:45:06 pm
Pic1-3: Working hard to have a nice deckPic4: Overall view of the hull from the stern. I must say its really a massive and heavy hull.

Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Taranis on June 04, 2021, 06:58:34 pm
Impressive  :-)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: SteamboatPhil on June 04, 2021, 06:59:05 pm
Big, heavy, but looking brilliant, great work Danielle  :-))
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Mark T on June 04, 2021, 09:00:13 pm
Impressive  :-)


Big, heavy, but looking brilliant, great work Danielle  :-))


I agree this build is epic  :-)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on June 05, 2021, 05:16:44 pm
Thanks a lot to you all!!!  ok2 :-))
More work done today. I finished the planking of the deck at the bow.....
Pic 1 & 2: The deck is huge! I could place my small circular Proxxon circular saw one one side and work on the other one.

Pic 3 & 4: I have to take the radius of the deck as the workplace of the skipper must have the same radius on the roof/window section....


Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on June 10, 2021, 09:45:18 pm
All planks glued to the deck.....
Pic 1 & 2: I may change the color of the deck....looks rather nice in dark brown varnish.
Pic 3: Sadly I tried to amputate my thumb .... just joking! ;) But I have a nasty deep cut in my thumb....will need some time to heal properly....
Sorry, no work can be done the next week or two..... %)

Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on June 28, 2021, 02:33:24 pm
After a break from building the trawler because of my insured thumb, its alright again but the scar is nasty, I had the time to test my trawler in the bathtub. Everything is OK and only a few KGs of additional Ballast are needed. I think I used 20kgs

Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: SteamboatPhil on June 28, 2021, 04:50:53 pm
Brilliant Danielle, the boat that is, and its only a small modelling scar....we all have them  O0 O0
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on June 28, 2021, 05:39:22 pm
The scar is exactly at the place where I have to grip things....
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on October 26, 2021, 04:53:40 pm
More work done this week!
Pic 1&2: Added window frames to all window openings
Pic 3: the intern in dark brown
Pic 4: Outside in titanium white
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on October 27, 2021, 03:59:58 pm
Today I made the exhaust pipe. 10mm diameter brass pipe is all I had in stock...
Pic 1: Finished exhaust pipe before painting
Pic 2: Exhaust pipe after painting it with Tamiya "Flat Alu" paint (drying in the warm sun)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on October 27, 2021, 08:45:42 pm
It has been enjoyable seeing you go from a stack of frames to the point where you are working on the superstructure Danielle!


I like seeing the interior of your boats, they look tidy, not unlike Brian B's hulls. I hope the scar goes completely, though I cut the top of a finger open in 2011 and I can still see the line! An addition to all the burns from pewter casting :)


I admire your bench/slipway by the way. I can see me building something like this one day when I get the time to build again.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: RST on October 27, 2021, 09:07:55 pm
Hi the scale of your build is always impressive.

You also deceive us somewhat with that picture and the well-known accepted principle of size vs perspective!

https://youtu.be/OXypyrutq_M

(https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=58665.0;attach=213607;image)


Rich
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on October 28, 2021, 08:57:11 am
The boat is very big 135x50+ cms....nearly to big to handle.
BTW...my next boat will be the same site...."Toirette" plan is from the french MRB magazine. I hope I can built it much better than the Mady-Jeanne! I am not happy with the frames and other mistakes I made!
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on November 15, 2021, 03:00:38 pm
W.I.P. .... I manage to do some work every other day....
Pic 1: Exhaust pipe made of 10mm diameter brass pipe....will be glued in after the wheelhouse ist painted
Pic 2: The main color will be dark blue. The light blue is prussian blue and I do not like it that much anymore.
Pic 3: Mast is in work. Just because I have to drill the hole the multiple strands of wire for the position lights.
Pic 4: Wheelhouse door. It will be possible to open/close it. Behind it I will position all switches needed for the lights. I made it out of some ABS that was lying around. It will have a working door handle.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on November 15, 2021, 03:40:24 pm
Neat work on the exhaust and door Danielle. I like gizmos on models such as opening doors to access controls. My destroyer has a rotating torpedo launcher that locks the deck in place  :D
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on November 18, 2021, 08:58:42 am
Thanks a lot for your replay. Its always great fun to build something freestyle (without plans).
The door is ready to be used! The functional latch has a small hex nut glued to it so the latch stays locked in any conditions. I glued it on the latch after the picture was taken.

Pic1-3 show the progress and how it looks on the wheelhouse.


Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on November 19, 2021, 10:53:06 pm
Functional on the inside and attractive on the outside. Great balance.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on November 21, 2021, 09:24:10 am
Thanks a lot for your comment  :-)) :-))
There is a second door on the wheelhouse. But this one is made of wood. Just worked a couple of minutes to make the door opening. It will open to the inside.
Pic1 & 2 shows how welcome this door is for skipper Jean-Jaques!

Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on November 22, 2021, 04:27:24 pm
Todays goal was to finish the wheelhouse door. I had some problems with it but at the end the result is rather nice.I used two brass hinges, some 2mm ply and scraps of copper pipe and ABS plastics.
Pic 1: The hinges where fixed with M2 Bolts and nuts .... the spanner has size 3.2

Pic 2: View of the inside. Locking latch and hinges

Pic 3: With this door it will be possible to see the details of the the skippers working place and the kitchenette and bunk bed

Pic 4: Door closed. Door handle is a scrap piece of copper pipe used for the reling on the bow.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on November 23, 2021, 08:44:23 pm
It is lovely to see lots of carpentry boat building going on at the moment.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on November 29, 2021, 04:06:44 pm
I repainted the hull with a dark color called "Prussian Blue".... the kight blue color will be redone in the next few days with
a) yellow stripingb) white stripec) and the rest will be prussian blue as well


Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on December 16, 2021, 06:11:01 pm
I finally managed to finish painting the hull....I used some different colors as planned. I like it this way.All painting was done in the living room. Its too cold in my workspace. The colors took ages (+12h) to dry 100%.In the warm living room sometimes to color was dry after paintng the hull on both sides so I could go over and paint it second time or third time....There are some imperfections....I don't care....


Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Perkasaman2 on December 16, 2021, 06:19:12 pm
A very impressive paint job. Well done.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on December 20, 2021, 04:38:14 pm
Thanks a lot for your comment....it is always very welcome.
Next step was to get the wheelhouse redone.....I added 35mm in height! Not much work to do it and a good way to use a lot of different leftover pieces of different wood.As my model has not really a prototype I can do and change things as I want. Some ladders and stairs will be added later.

Now the wheelhouse sits more prototypical on the deck. Before it was going upwards to the bow.
I will change the color by adding some matching stripes just like the hull has.

Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on December 21, 2021, 10:03:49 pm
When I first saw the Prussian blue Danielle, I thought it looked much too grey-almost black, but now it looks fab what with the other colours. Very fetching :)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on December 30, 2021, 10:06:37 am
When I first saw the Prussian blue Danielle, I thought it looked much too grey-almost black, but now it looks fab what with the other colours. Very fetching :)
I overpainted the prussian blue with a dark blue....and its perfect.
The wheelhouse was sitting too low on the deck. The skipper would not have seen much out of the windows. I added 35mm plywood and now its ok. I have to build some steps and ladders. I like the overall look of the boat.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on January 02, 2022, 03:18:36 pm
Happy new year to all my followers! :-)) ;)
Time to make some ropes.....Made the ropewalk with the help of a YT video....there are a lot of videos and I used the one with the simplest ropewalk.It was constructued in a few hours today.
Pic1: I first used Meccano motors but they did'nt cope with it. So I used my Bosch drill instead. This is the end with the mowing parts and a planetary gear.

Pic2: The end with no mowing parts. Track can be made longer if space is no problem.
Pic3; Finished ropes....Green and white rope is made with 4 strands of yarn.Blue one is made with 4x4 strads of yarn
Other dimensions/length/color can be easely made.


Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: SteamboatPhil on January 02, 2022, 05:15:06 pm
Happy new year Danielle, brilliant use of meccano, and the rope looks really the part.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on January 02, 2022, 10:33:02 pm
Agreed. Meccano is almost the lost technology today and seeing it used for such complex work is brill!


Great work as usual Danielle, the new height of the Wheelhouse.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on January 15, 2022, 03:44:47 pm
Thanks a lot ballastanksian  :-)) :-)) :-))
WIP....
Pic1: The motorized end of the rope way. My Bosch accutool is a great help for it. Ibought new hooks with 5mm diameter. I drilled 4 holes and 4 gearwheels with a 5mm drillbit. Now it works woderfully.

Pic2: The unmotorized end of the rope way

Pic3: Finished ropes in different sizes and length

Pic4&5: Started to build the net winch "holder"... this will be fun to build as the drums will work with two geared motors. Just put today work on the deck to check dimensions.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on January 20, 2022, 04:10:00 pm
Pic1: Netdrums.....W.I.P.   Not shure if I will motorize them or not. I bought motors and gears for it but maybe I leave it unanimated....they are massive!!! This model is getting more detailed every week. I hope it will be not too heavy. Total weight should be in the 45-50kg range.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on January 21, 2022, 08:47:03 pm
Lovely job done on those winch drums  :-))  As regards motorisation, I suppose it depends on how you envisage your model being run and used in the environment you plan to sail in versus the system's strength.


If you feel that you can get a fair level of detail without the motorisation then go with that Danielle. Working models can need a lot of TLC even without more complicated systems adding to repair and maintenance time.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on February 11, 2022, 03:31:15 pm
I do a unmotorized version first. But Its ready to add the motors later. Just to get the netwinches finished.
Pic shows the drums fitted just for photographical purposes.....
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: SteamboatPhil on February 11, 2022, 08:26:42 pm
Awesome Danielle  :-))
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: JoJoElbe on February 11, 2022, 09:03:57 pm
Hi Danielle,nice to see that there is so much progress. I followed your built in a german forum until is somehow stopped.Just joined here a few days ago and now see this huge and heavy fishing vessel in full colors.
And your 'reeperbahn' is brilliant!
Best wishes,Joerg
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on March 20, 2022, 04:41:25 pm
Just a quick message to all of the followers. My workspace has no heating in winter. Therefore I will work again on my trawler as soon as it gets warmer.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: nemesis on March 20, 2022, 06:37:18 pm
join the club, nemesis
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Tworrs on April 27, 2022, 11:32:07 pm
I have been reading through your build, and have really enjoyed the journey, as well as having picked up a lot of very useful tips.
I look forward to you continuing when the weather warms up.
Thank you for taking the time to post your progress.
Garry
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on April 28, 2022, 10:14:55 pm
I wish your workshop speedy warming up so you can get back to your lovely model making!!
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on May 25, 2022, 01:05:59 pm
Actually it warmed up and I cleaned and reorgnized my stuff a little bit.
I reduced the height of my model/building trolley. I cut 20 cms away of each leg (Pic1).I can sit on my favorite chair when working on the model (Pic2).I leave the lift on the ceiling so I can use it anytime I want. It hangs at 180cm and I am 172cm (Pic3).


Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Taranis on May 25, 2022, 02:15:55 pm
Marvellous  :-)   8)
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: SteamboatPhil on May 25, 2022, 03:53:44 pm
Great stuff  :-))
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Capt Podge on May 25, 2022, 05:01:26 pm
Hi Danielle, it's good to hear that you can get back into your workshop and look forward to seeing your progress.


Ray.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on May 26, 2022, 02:07:03 pm
Thanks for all the replies!  :-)) ok2
Working hard on the Netwinches....Glued the staybolts in with the steel arc as toll to get thing ok.
These M2 bolts and washers are beautiful und the tool very small....

Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Capt Podge on May 26, 2022, 06:44:18 pm
That's a solid looking gantry you've installed and very unlikely to come adrift with those bolts installed - good work Danielle.  :-))


Ray.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on May 27, 2022, 04:45:27 pm
Thanks a lot Ray...  :-))
WIP Netdrums....
Did everything new and used only the discs made of ABS plastic.
Pic1: Milling all 4 discs in one go.

Pic2: The final result.


Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Capt Podge on May 27, 2022, 05:25:13 pm
That's a professional looking piece of work.
Well done once again.  :-)


Ray.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Tworrs on May 29, 2022, 12:14:16 am
Hi Danielle, your progress is very impressive, and a level to aspire to. I am really enjoying your build.
Unlike you we are now heading into winter, -2oC this morning, and my workshop is rather chilly.
Garry
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on May 29, 2022, 10:05:11 pm
Great looking work there Danielle. Using the drill like that is a good idea, saves all that slight difference in edge quality etc.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on May 31, 2022, 05:19:13 pm
Thanks a lot folks!!! :-)) ok2
Today I did changed a lot of thigs on the model. First I did take away the 3cms I added to get the wheelhouse higher. It went well and fast and after few minutes everything was back to the lower height. Since I lowered my trolley I can see things different and my ideas are coming back.


Pic1 BEFORE

Pic2 AFTER

Pic3 NEW netdrums ... back to the bigger ones ... redid everything but with more care to get the holes right.

Pic4 - 5 I like my work of today. Spent 7h to get things done.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on June 04, 2022, 03:52:39 pm
OK my friends....I did again change some things I did not like. :-)) ok2 %)
The whole gantry with the netdrums was way too wide. So I started my Proxxon bandsaw and off I cut two bits off each 3cm long. With the help of internal reinforcement strips I reglued everything together. To keep things straight and level I used a L shaped aluminiumprofile of 2x3cm.
The treaded studs at the back where flexed off and new ones glued in the right position.Masking tape between the gantry and the wooden deck prevents that the glue is going to do silly things.
I really hope I am finished someday with the Mady-Jeanne.

Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on June 04, 2022, 03:57:15 pm
Making that leap of faith to undo work you have already done is a large one. Part of you feels like saying 'its alright as it is', another part says 'its rubbish and needs replacing now'. You have to balance these emotions, sometimes delay a bit to feel out which emotion is stronger and then jump in!


Looking good after all that effort Danielle.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on June 04, 2022, 04:14:52 pm
Thanks a lot for your advice.... I did exactly that with my changes. Its very difficult if you can't follow the "plans" or build a kit (doesn't exist in 1/10).... but it keeps me busy beeing in forced retirement/jobless....
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on June 09, 2022, 07:13:10 am
W.I.P Drumbrakes added.... I use rubberband to prevent the netdrums turning. The pulleys are from my large Meccano collection.
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: ballastanksian on June 09, 2022, 08:41:16 pm
Super  :-))
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on June 16, 2022, 09:20:03 am
Thanks a lot!!!!  :-)) :-)) :-))
More work done .... I added some hull protecting strips. Needs still a lot of sanding and shaping. The flat head 2.2mm parker screws are nicely fitted into the ABS sheet.Today I will color the smaller strips.

Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: Tafelspitz on June 21, 2022, 07:04:29 pm
Your build never ceases to amaze me. The sheer size of that vessel is kinda phantasmagorial - albeit in a good way  :-)

Fantastic handiwork!
Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: missyd on June 23, 2022, 07:57:58 am
Thanks a lot!!!! :-))
I enter my workspace and this is what I see .... lovely model trawler! PIC1  ok2

I added some protection bars PIC2, one big pulley PIC3, and 4 antennas PIC4, which can be stored safely for transport.



Title: Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
Post by: JoJoElbe on June 23, 2022, 08:18:41 am
 :-)) :-)) :-)) O0