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Title: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on October 13, 2017, 11:13:56 pm
Whilst wondering what to build next - I've got quite a lot of plans stored away - got a call from a relative who has had this Fairey Huntsman withering away in the loft for X number of years. The upshot of this is that, rather than allow it to disappear altogether, he asked if I could take it off his hands, otherwise it would be taken to the tip.

Well, being one of those people who hates to see things get thrown away, I agreed to "have a go" at restoring it.

The boat measures 34" so I think it must be a Huntsman 31 model. Whoever built it originally fitted it out with an IC engine but that was removed before my in-law got it.

I knew, as soon as I saw it, I was in for some serious reworking.
In this 1st photo the boat looks ok but, once the lid came off, I cringed at the thought of stripping this hull down...in fact, the upperwork more or less crumbled away - the wood was spongy with dampness. I can only assume that a lack of drying out after sailing contributed to this?

However, with the hull being fibreglass, the boat is still salvageable...

photo 1: the boat as received
photo 2: what was left inside
photo 3: the deck ripped off and various components removed
photo 4, 5, 6 & 7: some of the "gunge" to be dealt with...
photo 8: a start made - it has taken 4 workshop sessions just to get this far and, oh boy, my finger ends are stinging!


Well, any progress is better than no progress.

Regards,

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: canabus on October 14, 2017, 08:43:49 am
Hi Capt Podge

I am into the same boat!!!
In your case replacing the frame would be the way to go and making frame 1 to the bow a sealed area.
Mine had the combing for the whole cabin to fit down onto, but, none at the bow and stern.
I add these to slow water off the deck.
As with yours I removed the IC motor and remounted a brushless motor, also filled in the exhaust outlet.
The cabin on mine is a bit of a pigs ear at present(working on that), the windows are all to be replaced.
At present I am veneering the deck.
If you require help I have some good info and plans that will help you out.

Canabus
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on October 14, 2017, 12:10:28 pm
If you require help I have some good info and plans that will help you out.

Canabus

Thank you Canabus, that is good news - I don't have the plans for this boat, I'm just winging it for now, although I've picked out a number of photographs of the real thing for guidance.
My intention is to install twin props and rudders and will attempt to keep the angle of the shafts as narrow as possible. I've got a couple of brushed 540 motors to install when I get to that stage.

I managed to save a few bits of the cabin and will use these as templates to make up a new one. If all goes well, I'm going to attempt to make the cabin as a plug to make a fibreglass mould.
I have never tried making anything in fibreglass so it will be a new experience for me.

Hope to get a bit more done this coming week.
Also, I'll be keeping an eye on your build and hopefully picking up some tips along the way.

Regards,

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: canabus on October 14, 2017, 01:47:02 pm
Hi Capt Podge
If you email me I can help with plans.

Canabus
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: canabus on October 14, 2017, 01:53:26 pm
Hi Capt Podge

A link to my Build!!
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,58525.0.html (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,58525.0.html)
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: nemesis on October 14, 2017, 04:29:02 pm
Hi Ray, you can work miracles with resin and glassfibre, got a gallon in the shed plus gel if you need it. bill
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Davo on October 14, 2017, 07:09:08 pm
A true Salvage Team job you have there. Back in the 1970s I did make the small Huntsman for a friend powered by around about a 3.5cc glow engine. It handled superbly due I think to the deep V hull.
The fibre glass version you have seems to have a relatively flat bottom to the transom (photo angle perhaps?) so possibly someone may have made their own design based on the Huntsman.
Picture below from another build on the Forum.
David
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on October 14, 2017, 10:17:29 pm
Hi Capt Podge
If ewe email me I can help with plans.

Canabus

Hi Canabus - PM sent. :-)

Regards,

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on October 14, 2017, 10:18:51 pm
Hi Ray, you can work miracles with resin and glassfibre, got a gallon in the shed plus gel if you need it. bill

Thank you Bill - probably see you at the lake tomorrow ?

Regards,

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on October 14, 2017, 10:23:00 pm
A true Salvage Team job you have there. Back in the 1970s I did make the small Huntsman for a friend powered by around about a 3.5cc glow engine. It handled superbly due I think to the deep V hull.
The fibre glass version you have seems to have a relatively flat bottom to the transom (photo angle perhaps?) so possibly someone may have made their own design based on the Huntsman.
Picture below from another build on the Forum.
David

Hi David, my hull is definitely shallow compared to the one in your photo - just read the build log by Canabus, looks like we're both working the same hull anyway, so that will be useful. :-)

Regards,

Ray.


Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on October 20, 2017, 08:07:21 pm
Just a little update on hull preparation - there's really precious little to show for the amount of time and effort spent over the last week however, I know the effort will be worth it in the end - anyway, managed to remove the 2 bulkheads, the motor bed and the prop-tube...
the last photo shows a horrible gaping hole where the prop-tube was finally twisted free of the hull - this hole will be filled later with P40, along with the other smaller holes where running gear was removed.

Note: Finger ends are too sore to do anymore rubbing down tonight, hope to get a little more done over the next few days.

Regards,

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Davo on October 20, 2017, 08:28:17 pm
The hull looks a better V section in these photos. Should have a good boat eventually. When fitting the prop shaft you can just use masking tape as 'shuttering' around the tube externally and lay up gel and glass mat on the inside. same for any holes. The fibre glass will not stick to the sticky side of the tape. This will leave minimal external filling required. Beware the damp weather as it may send the gel off during curing if outside.
David
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on October 20, 2017, 08:45:51 pm
Beware the damp weather as it may send the gel off during curing if outside.
David

Yes, and there's plenty of that about. >:-o

Prop wise, I'm leaning toward twin tubes as opposed to single, but the final decision has yet to be made.
Whichever way I go I will be using brushed motors, initially at least - see how they perform.

...oh, and thanks for the glassing info. :-))

Regards,

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Davo on October 20, 2017, 09:06:37 pm
I think people have found that with deep V hulls, such as the Huntsman range, one prop will end up in the air, or severely cavitating at least, when turning. You would also need contra rotating props. I think keeping a single propeller as far back from the transom, as angles/prop dia will allow, would be useful. And perhaps a shortish (vertically) rudder to help reduce sideways lift when turning. I am sure others on here have some tried and tested set ups.
Most accept rudders as supplied as being the finished item but, if brass, they are easily cut about and modified. A leading edge forward of the stem is maybe not always needed. Perhaps a good topic for an article on rudder design by those who know. I have some laminated in ply and sanded to a nice rudder profile. Not sure it makes much difference but they look nice on display!
The multi prop boats for air sea rescue and fast MTBs etc all had relatively flat transom hard chine hulls built for planing and not displacement running. And I guess in the real world boats would not heel as much as out model counterparts do.
Looks like some busy evenings ahead!
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: ChrisF on October 20, 2017, 09:13:45 pm
The rudder is quite a distance from the rear isn't it. Does this have any effect on how the boat turns i.e. make it more twitchy?

Most boats and plans I've seen tend to have the rudder close to the stern. 

I'm interested in this because I've been working/setting out how much room is required for the positioning of the motor, couplings and prop shaft. Obviously having the rudder right at the stern  gives more space and allows the angle of the prop shaft to be as low as possible.


Edit: I see from the posts made as I was writing that the intention is to possibly change the number and/or position of the prop shaft anyway. From my workings out the prop shaft and motor takes up quite a bit of room to maintain a low angle and so by default means the rudder and prop will be very near the stern. I've been thinking about what affect the position of the rudder has on the boat turning, particularly at higher speeds.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on October 20, 2017, 09:26:33 pm
For me, it'll be a case of trial and error. My initial thought was to have shallow angle twin props and twin rudders set as near to the stern as possible. Having never built this type of model it will be interesting to say the least.
What I'm not looking for is something that will compete with modern fast electrics - just a bit of planing while running a leisure craft.

All input is welcome and hopefully a successful outcome sometime in the months ahead. As usual, I'm in no hurry...

Regards,

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Davo on October 20, 2017, 09:48:33 pm
I have been digging through a book called High-Speed Small Craft by Peter Ducane which deals with the science behind the design of real MTBs etc. In one section is says the rudder can be near the rear of a hull but needs to be under it; ie not externally mounted on the transom. Rudders on the transom needing anti-cavitation plates. In all cases the prop is fairly close to the rudder. The idea I guess is to turn the thrust of the propeller whilst it is not too turbulent. Too far away from the prop and the water is less 'clean' leading to less effective rudder control.  The leading edge of the rudder That part in front of the rudder stem) partially helps take the load off the servo but there is a ratio of thrust being allowed straight out for forward speed, and a percentage being used to turn the boat. The book also advocates a deeper rudder to induce heel for turning; so reducing the depth could be seen as a way of reducing heel when turning.
However, in all areas of modelling, science does not always conveniently scale down and trial and error is the order of the day.
The Peter Du Cane story is an interesting one. In the 1920s he took on and beat the American power boats with their multiple engines using quite small but well designed boats. Designs that he would later develop into the ASR boats and MTBs. To halt his winning streak the Americans kept changing rules(!)
David
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on October 20, 2017, 09:58:38 pm
That would make a very interesting read David, thanks for pointing it out.

I'll pop into our local library to see if they can get one - looking on Amazon, it is a very expensive book. :o

Regards,

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Davo on October 20, 2017, 10:16:56 pm
I paid £15 for mine about 20 years ago. The section on rudders is interesting. In plan the profile is not as an aeroplane wing but has its widest section in the centre. Interestingly the trailing edge can be bluff (flat).
Putting High Speed Boat Rudder Design in Google and selecting images throws up some info.
I have often noted people using two connecting rods between the servo and rudder horn; sometimes in models that clearly do not need it. Unless they work in a true rhombus fashion the result is not good; and I have seen some like that. I always use a ball joint connection rather than just crank a rod through a hole.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: ChrisF on October 20, 2017, 10:23:39 pm
David and Ray.

Interesting stuff and puts my mind at rest. Funnily enough I was concerned how close the prop is going to be to the rudder and thought that further away would be better.

Forgot to say, I'm about to start building a Swordsman at 33" so a similar sized boat. The Aerokits plans I've based my design on show a 35mm (at the top) x 45mm deep which is what I'm going to use.

As said, too deep a rudder can cause problems with the stern lifting on turns.

All good stuff, Chris
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Davo on October 20, 2017, 10:36:05 pm
I got my references a little confused above. It was Hubert Scott-Paine who also developed high speed boats in circa 1914 progressing on to Miss England I and Miss Britain III in the 1920s. This becoming the first single engine boat to reach 100mph. And eventually founding the British Power Boat Company that developed the high speed rescue launches. See Fast Boat and Flying Boats, another interesting read.
I shall certainly be looking a bit closer at my rudders from now on.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on November 03, 2017, 09:27:43 pm
It's been a couple of weeks now and a little progress has been made.

Attention was turned to the outside of the hull and all paint has been removed, the holes blanked off on the inside, with a light gauze, P40 applied to both inner and outer and rubbed down smooth.
Waited for the obligatory 24hrs then placed the hull in the bath, weighted down almost to the top of the hull, for water tight integrity checks.
Found 4 pinhole leaks on the planing strakes so these were given the P40 treatment and retested - all dry now.

Photo 1: Shows some chipping to the hull edge and, what looks like red tape, is actually paint. So, that added to the rubbing down, as well as all the white and the blue.
Photo 2: Just to show the paint removal in progress. I did the whole hull in intervals, working on another couple of builds in between, to give the tender finger ends a break.
Photo 3: That's all the blue and red paint removed - just the white to tackle after that.
Photo 4: Finally, all paint removed.
No photos taken of the gauze/P40 treatment - this will show in subsequent photographs.

more to follow...


Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on November 03, 2017, 09:45:13 pm
...Now, attention turned to starting on prop installation.

Started by drilling / reaming the holes and messing about looking for the best angle to set the tubes to give the shallowest possible angle but, at the same time, ensuring there would be clearance for the UJ's and the props themselves.

The first attempt, using masking tape and an angled piece of wood, was quite useless so I found a piece of scrap 2mm plasticard, drilled to the required angle and a couple of angled guides to rest the tubes on.

Once satisfied with the alignments, the tubes were epoxied into position. Hope to get a bit more done soon. :embarrassed:

Photo 1 & 2: The first attempt.
Photo 3,4 & 5: Much better.
Photo 6 & 7: They're in and epoxied.

Regards,

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on November 10, 2017, 10:15:32 pm
Continued to install running gear.

Made an athwartship bulkhead for the 2 motors, angled so as to align the motors to the propshafts/huco couplings.
Once satisfied with the fit, the support was epoxied into place and will be further treated with p40 for security.

Rudder tubes next...the holes were drilled for 3.75mm OD brass tube and, tubes 5cm long, made.
Unfortunately, on doing another check I realised I had somehow managed to drill the hole for the Port rudder tube 3mm nearer the stern than that of the Stbd one. Now needed to P40 fill the hole and re-do it !
I knew I should have used a jig but thought I could just "eyeball" it. :embarrassed:

Harking back to a comment made a while ago (I think it was Bob K) with regard to varifocal lenses - unless you are looking right at the centre of an object, the lenses distort the angles and therefore can throw you off by quite a margin. Even looking directly at a tea cup - looking at the centre of the cup from above, the cup is perfectly round. Move the cup slightly to one side and it appears egg shaped. :o

...but I digress.

Well, the hole was redrilled after very careful measuring (3 times) and now the supports for the rudder tubes have been made and set in place.

The next task was to make a stand so that the hull could be held perfectly still before attempting to line the rudder tubes up.

So, made a pair of cradles with 11mm ply and stretchers from 15mm dowling rod. This was then lined with soft draft excluder...this stand won't be painted - it's just for building on.

Next, the rudder tubes were fitted and tacked in place. The rudder shafts were then cut to size and a flat filed on each for the tiller arm screws to land on.
Then the arms were made and soldered up, on an old knitting needle of the appropriate size and secured in the vice then test fitted to their shafts - so far, so good.
Flats were then filed on the lower portion of the shafts to accept the 2 halves of the blades.
The blades were fashioned from plasticard.

Before going any further with the build, decided to fit the servo. So, a cut out was made to accept the servo and a platform fixed in place.
All the electrics were then temporarily rigged for confidence check - all working ok.

Once again, removed all non-fixed items, taped off rudder and prop tubes then cut away a portion of the motor mount bulkhead (for later cockpit rebuild).
Rudder posts have now been epoxied in.

A card template was then made and transferred onto 4mm ply to make the rear bulkhead. Cut out rough then sanded to final shape. Same for for'd bulkhead, with an additional cut out to accommodate the battery.

Finally for now, the running gear was rigged again and tested, both on the bench and in the test tank (bath tub) and all is working normal - thank goodness.
Almost forgot to mention - the propshafts and rudder shafts were greased BEFORE going in the water. %)

A few photographs....

Photo 1: Getting things lined up.
Photo 2: Component parts for tiller fabrication.
Photo 3: Rudder manufacture under way.
Photo 4: Servo rigged ready for testing.
Photo 5 & 6: Electricals temporarily rigged. (note the rx in bag to avoid dust contamination)
Photo 7: Lining up the rudders prior to tightening down.
Photo 8 & 9: Electricals tidied up and rigged.

Regards,

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: ChrisF on November 11, 2017, 12:07:00 am
Progressing well now.

As with the rudder etc. it's interesting for me as I picked up a MFA Spearfish kit with a fibreglass hull that I intend replacing the plastic superstructure in timber.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on November 11, 2017, 12:16:20 am
Thanks Chris, I'm just glad the paint and gunge removal is complete now, the running gear is ok and now can concentrate on sorting the deck out.

Good luck with your build - hope you enjoy it  :-))

Regards,

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: T888 on November 11, 2017, 04:48:22 am
Hi Ray,
Enjoying your renovation work. :-))
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: ChrisF on November 11, 2017, 09:40:54 am
Thanks Chris, I'm just glad the paint and gunge removal is complete now, the running gear is ok and now can concentrate on sorting the deck out.

Good luck with your build - hope you enjoy it  :-))

Regards,

Ray.


Thanks Ray - probably be next year before I start that though as I want to crack on with the Swordsman.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on December 01, 2017, 11:01:23 pm
Time for another update.

To give the deck some extra width, to glue down on, supports were fitted to the inner edge of the hull.
The last portion to be tackled was the flare in the bow area. To tackle this, a sort of plinth was glued in and then layered with P38 until just proud of the hull.
This was then sanded level.
The hull was then inverted onto a sheet of 3mm ply and drawn around to rough out a sub deck, which will be planked later on in the build.

During the above, a lot of dust had accumulated, in and around the running gear, so this was all removed and stored away until needed.
The hull inner was then given a couple of coats of white paint, just to make things look a bit neater.
The sub deck was then trimmed to fit and epoxied in place.

While the glue was setting a start was made on the superstructure. First, some of the bits I'd managed to save from the original were taped together, to get some idea of the shapes and dimensions.
So, the 2 sides and the front and back were roughed out with 3mm ply and taped together. This gave me the oblong but now I needed to get the longitudinal curves in the sides.
To this end, a framework was made as a sort of former, followed by some cambered beams for the deckheads.

Finally, a topsheet was fitted and trimmed. I had originally fitted the windscreen and rear screen in recesses but then realised this would make it very difficult to make a mould from, especially as this will be my first attempt at producing anything in GRP.
I could have sanded away the recesses but this would have then shortened the overall length of the superstructure and so I opted to fill the recesses instead - false recesses can be fitted later, using plastruct or similar.

Window frames were drawn, as "best guess", onto cereal packet card. These will be glued in place and, hopefully, will reproduce on the mould, to give an indication of where to cut the windows out.

Anyway, the structure has been given a few coats of sanding sealer and is now feeling smooth enough to take a couple of coats of primer.
Unfortunately, my spraying has to be done outside, so now I'll have to wait for the warmer weather to return.

Still, this gives me some spare time to get on with a couple of other builds.

The photos.

Photo 1: Applying deck supports
Photo 2: As above
Photo 3: Getting the parts to come together (trimming here & there)
Photo 4: Fitting the lower frame
Photo 5: Upper frame work in progress
Photo 6: Filling and sanding
Photo 7: It's pretty smooth now.

Afraid that's it for now...

Regards,

Ray.

Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Seaspray on December 02, 2017, 08:17:49 am
Hi Ray

Will look good when finish. I like the twin motors set up
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: ChrisF on December 02, 2017, 10:54:05 am
Coming along well Ray.


What glue did you use for fixing the timbers to the fibreglass hull?


Painting at this time of year does throw up problems doesn't it.


Chris
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on December 08, 2017, 09:07:05 pm
Hi Ray

Will look good when finish. I like the twin motors set up

Hello Seaspray - like most of my models, it should look ok from a reasonable distance.

I'm using twin motors / rudders because I think this will give a more stable performance - especially on turns - time will tell...

Regards,

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on December 08, 2017, 09:12:00 pm
Coming along well Ray.

What glue did you use for fixing the timbers to the fibreglass hull?

Chris

Thanks Chris.
The athwart bulkheads were glued in with epoxy resin then plastered with P40.
The supports around the hull edges I used just epoxy resin - the 5min version - mixing only enough to glue each section at a time.

Regards,

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on December 08, 2017, 09:14:21 pm
Hi Ray,
Enjoying your renovation work. :-))

Hello Dave, thank you for looking in on this one - it'll be a few months before any more gets done to it - towards springtime anyway...

Regards,

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: ChrisF on December 08, 2017, 11:38:38 pm
Thanks Chris.
The athwart bulkheads were glued in with epoxy resin then plastered with P40.
The supports around the hull edges I used just epoxy resin - the 5min version - mixing only enough to glue each section at a time.

Regards,

Ray.


Thanks Ray
I've got a Fairey Spearfish kit with a fibreglass hull to which I'm going to fit a timber deck and superstructure as per the first full size Spearfish that look so much better than the all fibreglass. The plastic superstructure in the kit is a bit naff anyway.

Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: triumphjon on December 09, 2017, 09:56:31 pm
the hull and grp deck is fine Chris , however my first spear ive built from deck up in timber , its also got twin shafts and 1000 kv brushless motors , ive got a second spear/ spearfish under construction that im intending to use the cabin as far back as the wheelhouse , it was originally going to be on a single shaft but i may well put twins shafts/ rudders as per full size
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: ChrisF on December 09, 2017, 10:31:40 pm
I tend to think, rightly or wrongly, that all plastic/GRP boats (as in hull and superstructure) of this type look too much like ready to run boats.


I had no  intention of geting one as the intention was just to build all timber boats but one came along so it was rude not to!


Current builds, my first two, are going to be single motors but must have a go at twin motors at some time.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: triumphjon on December 10, 2017, 06:10:00 pm
ive got a pair of aerokits swordsman 33 , which because they were already built when i got them have single shafts , however those which have the grp hulls will with exception of the sword all use twin shafts , im currently using the ballraced shafts from prestwich models the 5mm stainless shafts , but have the threaed ends turned down to m4  as its easier to buy commercial 3 bladed handed props ! torque roll with both shafts spinning in the same direction gets interesting when at full speed ! the white spear in my photo is a grp hull / deck access is the forward cabin roof , removable rear cabin section and floors
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 05, 2019, 07:43:19 pm
As has often been said on this Forum - "where does the time go", well, it's been best part of 16 months since this thread was last updated and at last I have managed to get back into this build.

So here goes...

First of all, the superstructure plug has been given a couple of coats of grey primer, rubbed down with wet 'n dry to highlight the anomalies - and boy, were there some - so, out came the Upol filler, which was almost trowelled on, then left to harden off.
Three sanding sessions later, it was ready for more primer. Once that was dry it was again rubbed down and is about as smooth as I can get it.
Now, the superstructure is once again stowed away until I get the stuff I need for making the mould.

Next, it was back to the hull for finishing off (hopefully)

More filler applied where needed then made ready for the primer.
Again, 2 coats were applied then left alone for a full 24hrs.
One more rub down then the upper portion of the hull was masked off for the lower hull paint job - I've used Halfords "Ford Riviera Blue" for this...

Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 05, 2019, 08:05:09 pm
Well, that worked out ok so, waited a week then sprayed the upper hull with "Vauxhall Summit White" - some minor overspray this time, which was touched in once dry and hardened off.

Next came the decals - these were made up on the laptop and a test print, on my inkjet printer, produced a good result. (at least on normal copier paper) so now it was time to commit the decals to purpose made decal paper. This was allowed to dry for the full 24 hrs then sprayed with matt lacquer and left to dry as per instructions.
FAILURE !
The paint (ink) came off as soon as the decal was applied to the hull >>:-( <:(

The only thing I could think of was that I hadn't given enough coverage with the lacquer or, the lacquer itself was 'naff >>:-(

Anyway, I had another go and SUCCESS this time!
Got the Port side of the hull done - nae bother - Stbd side was a different story - I managed to get the name on OK but managed to rip the dolphin in half (curse of the shaky hand again) so, I'll need to make some more decals...

...and that's where I'm up to now, so here's a few more photo's to scrutinize - have fun

Regards,

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 05, 2019, 08:12:18 pm
Sorry, forgot to mention, I binned the matt lacquer and used a fresh rattle can from Halfords, which gives a positive result.
When I get the Stbd side decals done the whole hull will get couple of coats of lacquer as well. O0 :-))

Regards,

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: T888 on April 05, 2019, 09:04:53 pm
Nice paint job Ray  :-))
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: ChrisF on April 06, 2019, 09:42:44 am
Good to see you back on the build Ray.

Where does the time go? My builds are taking me much longer than expected!

Chris
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: imsinking on April 06, 2019, 12:11:45 pm
Very nice paint job , how did you mask across the spray rails for the bottom colour ? I've got to repaint my old Swordsman and masking this off is putting me off doing the job , the straight parts are no problem with masking tape , crossing the spray rails at the bows is proving difficult . . . .
Bill
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 06, 2019, 01:26:32 pm
Thank you for the compliments everyone, much appreciated  :-)


Bill, I used tamiya 6mm masking tape, making sure to push the tape right into the crevice. Also, because the tape changes direction when going over the "crest", I snip the tape at an angle, place the next piece and so on. It's a bit fiddly but worth the effort.


Hope this makes sense  :embarrassed:


Regards
Ray

Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: imsinking on April 06, 2019, 03:30:02 pm
Yes, it does make sense I've tried it in trial runs , made a complete bog of it , I wondered if you'd tried liquid mask of some sort , if need be I could always do it the way the 'proper' owners do & follow the main chine right up to the front (ugly)
Bill
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 26, 2019, 11:50:58 pm
Just a minor update for now...

The stbd decals have now been completed, looks ok so, another pair of dolphins have been applied to the transom, just to take the bareness from that area.
The hull has now been moved indoors to wait for suitable weather for spraying - this will also give the decals time to dry off completely.

In the meantime I've made a close inspection of the "plug" for the saloon etc.. and decided to scrap it. >:-o
There is a difference in the curvature of both sides, which would throw everything out of kilter so, I'm going to revert to building this in plasticard and go on from there.

Just a couple of photos of the decals for now...

Regards,

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: ChrisF on April 27, 2019, 09:30:18 am
Making good progress on the hull Ray.

Just wondering why you prefer building the superstructure in plasticard (and why you were going to originally build it in fibreglass) rather than ply? After all that's how the kit was built. Also I'm biased because I only have experience in building in timber!

Chris
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 27, 2019, 10:01:46 am
Hi Chris, my idea of making the top in fibreglass was just to try my hand at grp as I've never tried it before.
When I spotted my error on the plug I sat and thought about the cost of the materials, to create a mould that would only be used once, just didn't make sense.
I've used plasticard on previous builds and found it easier to work with. I'll be using the 2mm for this one.
I would still like to have a go at making something in grp at some point but, it would have to be something I would want to make a number of copies of.


Anyway, we'll see how it goes with the plasticard for now...


Thank you for looking in Chris - all comments /observations welcome  :-))


Regards
Ray

Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: JimG on April 27, 2019, 01:28:55 pm
For one off grp parts you can laminate the glass onto the surface of the plug. (A styrofoam plug is commonly used) After surface finishing the plug can be removed, either by breaking it up or using solvent.This method does involve more work in finishing to get a smooth surface but doesn't need so much materials as making a female mould would. If you are using polyester the plug needs to be protected by covering with a tape and possibly paint as polyester will dissolve the foam.
Jim
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 27, 2019, 01:35:01 pm
I never even thought of that Jim! - thank you for pointing that out.
Definitely one for my hints and tips notebook  O0


Regards
Ray

Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: ChrisF on April 27, 2019, 02:39:22 pm
Hi Ray, I thought you must be an experienced plasticard user.

Never used any yet but will have to when I get to the stage where I'm making window frames etc.

Will be following your build of the superstructure with interest.

Chris
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on June 25, 2019, 10:32:16 am
I'm back on it once again...

Since the last update, the hull has been given a couple of coats of lacquer and hardened off.
I then moved on to making templates for the for'd section of the cockpit, and another for the after (passenger) section.

Couple of photos then more to follow...
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on June 25, 2019, 10:53:48 am
Happy with the templates so the for'd bulkhead was made, from 2mm plasticard, followed by 2 side supports for the floor c/w L brackets for the floor to rest on. The bulkhead, floor and riser were then welded together and are removable for access to the motors.
Then the rear floor was made in a similar manner but with a strip hooking over the for'd riser, thus giving a removable section for access to the propshaft couplings - I hope the photos will show what I mean... %)

Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on June 25, 2019, 11:10:08 am
During the spraying of the hull I'd forgotten about the rudders, so these have now been primed, top coated, lacquered and refitted.

Now for the above deck structure.
Templates were made for the sides, 2 ends and an all around coaming. also, 4 x bulkheads with the slight camber, for the roof, built in.

A few more photos...
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on June 25, 2019, 11:39:48 am
The templates were then dismantled and transferred to 2mm plasticard. At this point I made a note to remember to do the window cut-outs before assembly - it would be a nightmare to cut them accurately once the structure was put together :o

First to be tackled was the coaming which will be 10mm above and 10mm below the deck line.
Next came the bulkheads (currently dry fitted) to keep the coamings pressed up against the deck edges.
The aftermost bulkhead has now been welded in place, along with triangular braces - the rest of the bulkheads will remain dry fitted until the sides are ready.
I was about to weld the remainder of the bulkheads in when I suddenly thought "hang on, are these bulkheads going to line up ok with the window apertures?"

Decided at this point to do a mock-up with the window frames I had salvaged from the original structure.
Fortunately, I had just enough wiggle room so that the bulkhead sides will be hidden behind the window uprights - phew!
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on June 25, 2019, 11:53:05 am
To bring this up to date, the port side of the structure has been made and the window apertures cut using the tried and tested chain-drilling method, filed to final shape, checked against the bulkheads for alignment and the finished article used as a template for the stbd side.

Hope to get a little bit more done this week :-))

Regards,

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: imsinking on June 26, 2019, 09:14:31 am
All good so far , are you going to plank the cabin roof or try and do it in one sheet ?
With being compound curves the roof is a S O B to do without distorting the sides , specially over the window apertures . . .
Bill
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on June 26, 2019, 09:35:20 am
To be honest I hadn't even considered planking the roof area - I think it'll be hard enough to plank the deck as I've never attempted that on any of my models before. I know it's going to be difficult enough to get the roof to conform to the shape required.
Anyway, we'll see what we can do.


Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: ChrisF on June 26, 2019, 01:05:11 pm
 Hi Ray
Coming on nicely. I'm currently working on some drawings for a 1:12 Huntsman 31 which I'm going to begin building soon and I'm going to timber plank the roofs. I'd not done it before but it came out great on the Fairey River Cruiser I'm currently building which is similar in having fore and aft cabins. Have also done it on a Huntsman 28.
Chris
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on June 26, 2019, 02:36:12 pm
Hi Chris, that's a neat looking job you're doing there.
Hope you will put some photos up when you get going with the 1/12 huntsman, it'll be a good one to see coming together  :-))


Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: ChrisF on June 26, 2019, 03:01:02 pm
Thanks Ray

Will do. Mine will be slightly smaller than your Huntsman 31 at 31" as opposed to yours at 34".

During my builds there's been a few stages where I've been a bit nervous e.g. sanding the keels and stringers to profiles and fitting the hull skins but they went fine but there is one stage that really fills me with trepidation and that's planking the deck which I'm going to do on a Swordsman. It's going to be a time consuming process! 

Chris
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on June 26, 2019, 03:10:38 pm
Good to hear I'm not the only nervous modeller  {-) :embarrassed:
For the deck planking I'm going to have a few practice runs on scrap wood before committing to the model. Same goes for the staining / varnishing  :-))
Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on July 29, 2019, 11:03:41 am
A little bit more done...

Both sides of the structure have now been made and the bulkheads welded into position.
To keep the sides tight up against the coaming I fitted some Evergreen plastic U channel all round the outside of the coaming. This serves two purposes 1. It holds the side pieces up tight to the coamings. 2. It prevents the coaming from being pushed too far down into the deck opening.
Prior to welding the sides into place I've taken templates of the window apertures for when the time comes to make the window frames.
Incidentally, the U channel is 3.2mm, the sides are 2mm so, once I'm happy with the whole structure, the channel will be trimmed up to the sides.

Another update to follow...
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on July 29, 2019, 11:15:10 am
Bringing the log up to date...

The front and rear screen sections were transferred onto plastic, from the templates, to achieve the basic forms then the window apertures drawn free-hand for the windscreen openings.
These were then chain drilled, cut away and filed down to the lines and once again used as templates for the window frames.
So, the front and rear are now fitted with just some minor filling/filing to be done, then I can move onto the top.

one more photo for now...

Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on July 30, 2019, 11:10:29 am

Looking good Ray, well up to your usual standard, there's something very satisfying about restoring an old boat back to looking new better than building a new kit IMO, great job mate.


Joe.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on July 30, 2019, 11:25:48 am
Thanks for that Joe.
I'm undecided as yet on how to fit the top - whether to attempt to fit it in one sheet (then cut into it for the cockpit) or fit it in sections, filling the joints as we go🤔.


Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on July 30, 2019, 01:06:44 pm
Yeah I guess it depends on the finish of the deck, if it's to be varnished or painted, I tend to go for a one piece deck where possible and fit the cockpit in to an opening, unnecessary joints can develop hairline cracks with time, on my Deva the cockpit comes off with the cabin to gain more access to internals just a thought. Ps just noticed you meant the roof not the deck jet another senior moment, just ignore me Ray  %%
Joe
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on July 30, 2019, 01:38:49 pm
another senior moment, just ignore me Ray  %%
Joe


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Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: imsinking on July 31, 2019, 09:36:19 am
Whatever you do for the cabin top KEEP IT LIGHT , with the cut back bows on the 31 hull if it's too heavy forward it tends to plunge into waves unless it's planing, I think that's were I went wrong with my huntress the cabin roof is way too thick, I've moved everything I can to the mid or aft positions (and no, weight in the back doesn't bring the bows up)
Bill
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on July 31, 2019, 10:12:48 am
Thanks for the info Bill. I was looking at it last night and I think the way forward is to put the top on in sections. It is going to be made with 2mm plastic so it should be light enough. I'm also looking at fitting some bits of balsa to the bulkheads and the sides which will give me a bigger gluing surface. I was going to try and fit the top in one broad strip but decided that would be too much stress on the glued joints.
Anyway, we'll see how it goes.


Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on October 24, 2019, 06:13:38 pm
Almost 3 months since the last update - unbelievable...

Anyway, finally knuckled down and got on with the top. A full sheet fitting was attempted but was never going to work so I opted for fitting in sections.
Also, decided to glue balsa strips to each bulkhead to provide larger gluing surfaces.
The first 2 sections of roof went on ok using Aliphatic on the balsa and cyano on the plastic where it meets the sides. These were left for a full day to harden off. Unfortunately when I released the clamps on the front edge, the joint parted where the Aliphatic and cyano met, so obviously the 2 glues don't like each other {:-{
The third section proved awkward to clamp but we got there in the end.
So, that just left the rear saloon to cover.
One section was giving me a hard time, the part just aft of the cockpit - I spent 5 evening sessions trying to get it glued on, using a number of different glues, and then it suddenly dawned on me - one of the basic 'rules' when applying adhesives - give the glue something to grip!  i.e. roughen the surface. I had been trying to glue the piece, shiny side down, without first abrading the surface - no wonder it wouldn't stick :embarrassed: what a numpty....

Well, we got there eventually, the excess was removed,  the joints were filled and smoothed off, then attention turned to the cockpit.
Using templates, the bottom, sides and ends were made in 1.5mm plastic, a bit of filling / filing done and it was ready to receive primer.
So, the coamings were taped off and the whole item given 3 coats of filler/primer, followed by 2 coats of grey primer.

...and that's as far as I've gotten to.

Now that the weather is changing I think I should turn my attention to the deck planking.

Photo 1 Making a start on the top sections.
Photo 2 clamps a-plenty and not very pretty.
Photo 3&4 Filler / primer applied.
Photo 5&6 Grey primer applied.

Regards,

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on October 25, 2019, 10:16:05 am

Well you managed that Ok Ray, compound curves can be a *****, looks good, keep it coming mate.


Joe
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on October 25, 2019, 10:29:04 am
Cheers Joe, yeah I must admit it was a right pain to get the sections to glue securely, which was an absolute necessity in order to get the edges trimmed and filed down.
Still, that's out of the way now, so today I hope to do some trial work for the deck planking.


Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on November 16, 2019, 09:51:41 pm
Just ordered the wood for the deck planking.
I'm still undecided as to which type to use so I've sent for maple and lime wood strips, both types at 1x5mm.
Update sometime next week after trials carried out.


Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on December 30, 2019, 08:20:15 pm
Here we are - 33 days later - and not much done at all :((

Having never attempted deck planking I decided to have a go, initially, using some "sticks"
So, a couple of test pieces were made out of cheap plant-sticks and some lolly-sticks.

First, the plant sticks - these were cut to size and permanent ink marker used to represent the caulking.

I'll put a bit more up when I get back from walking the dog....
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Mark T on December 30, 2019, 08:28:33 pm
Hi Ray - I have found that although pens are marked as permanent ink they tend to bleed into the wood.  Have a look at archival ink pens as they bleed a lot less and you can get them with a chisel tip which makes life easier too.  The build looks great mate and good luck with the deck  :-))
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on December 30, 2019, 08:56:08 pm
Cheers for the nice comments Mark and especially those archival pens info - I'll chase that up in the next few days. O0

Regards,

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on December 30, 2019, 09:10:21 pm
...also made a test run with the lolly sticks - they look ok but, unfortunately, they're way over scale.

So, went back to the plant sticks and started to apply some wood dye - it's supposed to be teak satin but looks far, far too dark.

...more to follow...
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on December 30, 2019, 09:15:45 pm
It was at this point I had decided to order a bunch of Maple and Lime strips from Cornwall Model Boats.
Despite the 1mm thickness of the strips they arrived in good order, no damage and very well packaged...thank you CMB. :-))

...more to follow...
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Mark T on December 30, 2019, 09:20:17 pm
Ray here's the sort of pen I was thinking of, you can use the side of the brush/tip


https://www.londongraphics.co.uk/pigma-archival-brush-pen
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on December 30, 2019, 09:23:10 pm
Now all 4 samples were made up and treated in identical manner - sanded, wiped, stained (new tin of Walnut Woodstain) x 3 coats and 2 x final coats of clear exterior varnish.
The following photos show the results...

...more to follow...
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on December 30, 2019, 09:43:49 pm
Ray here's the sort of pen I was thinking of, you can use the side of the brush/tip


https://www.londongraphics.co.uk/pigma-archival-brush-pen

Brilliant, cheers Mark :-))

Looking at my test pieces in daylight, the Lime seems to be the better of the options. Maple is ok but not as smooth as the Lime.

Today was just warm enough to get a little outdoor spray painting done so managed to get 2 x coats of Vauxhall Summit White applied, consistent with the upper hull colour.
Still needs at least another 2 coats, then the front, back and sides will be done in Ford Riviera Blue to match the lower hull.
Colour coordinated I think would be the term to use.

Anyway, that's where we stand up to date...

Regards,

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on December 30, 2019, 09:52:56 pm
forgot to add these... %)
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on February 19, 2020, 08:35:52 pm
Just my luck - I was going to blow the cobwebs off the boat this evening but SWMBO hasn't been well today so I've had to take over the domestic duties - hopefully, she'll be back on her feet tomorrow.  {:-{
Update to come in the next couple of days...


Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 02, 2020, 04:43:55 pm
We're back again!

Swmbo's illness lasted for a full week, then I got it and re-infected her, then back and forth we went for the next 4 weeks :o
We're both ok now so it's time to get back to modelling...

The workshop will be warmed through and tidied up this evening, ready to get crackin'.
I'll put an update on here once I have something to show on the build.

Regards,

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: SteamboatPhil on April 02, 2020, 07:13:41 pm
Glad you are both over the illness looking forward to the next update  :-))
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 02, 2020, 07:23:54 pm
Cheers Phil, no real notion of what it was, just some sort of winter cold I guess. Definitely no high temperature involved - thankfully  :-) .


Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on April 02, 2020, 08:14:43 pm

Glad you are both well again Ray,  me and the wife both had a bad cold just after new years eve that lasted a couple of weeks, been ok since then, only go out now for a walk and food shop, plenty of time for hobbies though, so get cracking on that Huntsman mate.   :-))


Joe.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 02, 2020, 08:48:48 pm
Cheers Joe, appreciate the reply.


I just got back in the workshop after the clap for the essential workers, NHS and others  :-))


Hoping to get a little bit done before bedtime...


Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: T888 on April 02, 2020, 08:56:50 pm
Ray,
Good to hear you both fighting fit again  :-))
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 02, 2020, 09:04:11 pm
Ray,
Good to hear you both fighting fit again  :-))


That's why I'm in the workshop - to avoid fighting  {-)


Just kidding Dave - really appreciate your reply  :-))


Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on April 02, 2020, 09:11:56 pm

Hi Ray, it dose feel strange clapping at the front door, but life is so strange at the moment, thank goodness I can go to my workshop and feel normal for a while,


stay well Joe.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 03, 2020, 11:33:51 pm
Just a little update:-
For the hardwood part on the foredeck and the deck edges I'm using mahogany. I bought a couple of sheets, I had intended to lay it in 2 longitudinal pieces but these sheets I have aren't wide enough so a centre piece was also required.

So, the 2 sheets were laid on the bench and the hull inverted and drawn around. Then, dots were placed 5mm in from the outer lines, to give a 5mm strip all along the deck edges.
The bulk of the 'waste' was then cut away but leaving plenty wood either side of the drawn lines for the inevitable adjustments to be made when final trimming takes place.

Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 03, 2020, 11:47:25 pm
Took advantage of the fine weather earlier today and got another 2 coats sprayed on the saloons.
Then, I noticed I'd dropped a clanger - when I bought the paint I found what I needed straight away i.e. Vauxhall Summit White, thought it would be a good idea to buy a second tin as a spare. What I failed to notice was that the 2nd tin was in fact Vauxhall Glacier White - no prizes for guessing which one I used :embarrassed:
Now I'll have to wait until it hardens off to get the correct paint applied >:-o

Back to the decking then:-

The outer strips have been sanded down - now just need to get rid of the pencil lines and a little final trimming. In the meantime, the centre piece for the foredeck has been trimmed and glued into place - here's a couple of photo's before that was done...

Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 03, 2020, 11:49:34 pm
Hope to get a bit more done tomorrow  %)

Regards,

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on April 08, 2020, 11:41:10 am

Having followed your log I doubt that is anything you could learn from me, but I was most impressed with your decals/ transfers so maybe you can teach me, I've done Tee shirt transfers before but that requires a lot of heat to iron them on not good for a boat hull methinks, I guess it's special paper but is it special ink as well, are they water slid applied, I'd like to do some decals on my Huntsman, they make your hull look very professional.


Joe.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 08, 2020, 12:00:54 pm
Hi ya Joe, I'll dig out the details later this afternoon and post on here.
I printed them off on my ink-jet printer but I believe it is easier to do if you have access to a laser-jet. That's because ink has to be oversprayed with a good covering of lacquer to seal it, whereas laser printing doesn't.
My first attempt failed due to not being sufficiently sealed.
I'll get back with the other details later today  :-))


Regards,
Ray,
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 08, 2020, 12:51:51 pm
Found the details but the company I used - homecrafts.co.uk - has shut up shop >>:-(
So I'm afraid it's going to have to be a search using 'water slide decal paper' or similar wording.
Sorry about that Joe.


Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: ChrisF on April 08, 2020, 01:27:35 pm
Something I'm going to have to master at some point though a little way off at the moment.

Chris
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on April 08, 2020, 02:01:45 pm

Thanks for that Ray, I've made a note of the company, like Chris It will be some time before I need them, but I think I've got an idea how it works now, print on water slide paper cover with lacquer the water separates the lacquer/ink from the paper slide on to the model am I close Ray?  anyway I'll do a bit of research for paper etc. it would be good to do a bit of practicing.


Thanks  Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: ChrisF on April 08, 2020, 05:10:38 pm
Hi Joe - will be good to see another build. I would have built one of the smaller Precedent kits but they are 1:11 and I'm building my "fleet" at 1:12 so I'm scratch building. Only 3" I know but it would be longer than my Swordsman 33, can't be having that!

I do have one of the big 1:8 models though, which I bought off EBay. My first boat when getting into the hobby about 3 years ago.

Chris
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 08, 2020, 06:10:24 pm
Joe & Chris, one thing I did notice, when handling the decals - they were quite delicate compared to the ones you will have used when building Airfix models as a youngster however, the technique of immersion in water, slide decal from backing, apply decal to hull (or wherever needed) smooth out to remove any air bubbles, leave to dry.
Don't forget to apply a couple of coats of lacquer when that area of the model is finished.


Regards,
Ray.


Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on April 08, 2020, 07:29:50 pm

Thanks for the heads up Ray, I've done a bit of research and have ordered some ink jet clear paper and crystal clear lacquer, so I'll be able to have a go at it.


Regards Joe
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 08, 2020, 07:42:45 pm
Good on yer Joe, let's know how you get on  :-))


Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 10, 2020, 06:43:30 pm
Well, finally got the Port and Stbd deck edging glued on, with final trimming still to be completed once the deck planking is on.


more to follow...
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 10, 2020, 06:47:41 pm
Top of saloon masked off, sides, front and rear sprayed with Ford Riviera Blue, to match lower hull colour.
There's a bit of overspray crept under the masking tape - this will be put right when the paint has fully hardened off.

more to follow...
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 10, 2020, 06:51:42 pm
Bit of patching done on the after mahogany - again, this is something else to be fettled o/c planking.

Here's a few more photos...


Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on April 11, 2020, 10:35:52 am

Crickey Ray looks like your actually gonna finish it.  %% %)   only joking mate, interesting rebuild Ray, if mine turns out like that I won't be complaining, I was wondering whether to have single shaft/rudder or twin shafts/rudders looking at yours I'm leaning towards twin, not that I'm looking for lightning speed, just more in keeping with the real boat, and I'll probably go for open shafts and P brackets.


Regards  Joe.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 11, 2020, 11:10:07 am
Cheers Joe - yeah, the twin setup is okay for me, I'm not looking to break any records with the boat.
A couple of times I've considered fitting P brackets but not certain about it. The full size boat definitely has them though.


Now ready to start planking - never done this before so just need to get motivated and hopefully get it done soon.


Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on April 11, 2020, 11:33:45 am

Yeah I've been thinking ahead and when I get to the deck planking I plan on making a sub deck out of 1mm ply fitted dry to each side and fit and glue the planking to these sub decks off the boat so I can let the planks over hang and finish the edges when the decking's done and then fit to boat, dose all that make sense, well that's the plan anyway.


Joe.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 11, 2020, 11:42:06 am
Well, that sounds like a good plan Joe, should work out ok  :-)


Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: ChrisF on April 11, 2020, 01:05:58 pm
Hi Guys

I'd definitely fit a P bracket Ray. As well as looking good it provides support to the prop tube when it sticks out as far as that. I'm fitting them to all my builds.

With my Swordsman build I've fitted a thin sub-deck like you're talking about Joe as my intention was to plank the deck. However I'm going to get the planking laser etched onto ply as I'm going to do with the Huntsman Sport. I'll see how it goes. If it doesn't work out I'll return to Plan A and plank it.


Chris



Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 11, 2020, 01:30:24 pm

I'd definitely fit a P bracket Ray.

Chris


Thanks Chris, I'll attempt that after the planking 👍🏻


Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: ChrisF on April 11, 2020, 02:35:30 pm
Joe

If you do go for twin props and rudders it's worth bearing in mind that with the full size boats they are not positioned at the mid-point between the keel and chine but a bit closer to the keel. Obviously with a deep vee hull this is to minimise one prop coming out of the water on tight fast turns.

I haven't done a twin motor set-up yet but I'd like to on one of my future builds.

Chris
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on April 11, 2020, 03:38:24 pm

Thanks for the tip Chris, I've seen some photos of the real thing and can get an idea from them the rudders are actually quite close to the transom, I done a few twin prop fitting on warships but of course they don't roll into the turn like deep vees.


sorry Ray I'll start my own log soon honest  :embarrassed:


Joe
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 11, 2020, 03:44:27 pm

sorry Ray I'll start my own log soon honest  :embarrassed:


Joe


 {-) {-) {-)
No problem Joe and of course, I'll be looking in when you do  :-))
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 14, 2020, 10:55:57 pm
I've made a tentative start on the deck planking but, before I commit any further, I'd like to show a few photos for any feed back please...

Bear in mind, these few planks have not been stuck down yet. Also, when planking is complete and sanded down, it will be stained and varnished.

Regards,

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: ChrisF on April 15, 2020, 12:30:46 am
Hi Ray - not easy I know, but now that you have produced the deck edging and bow detail it's crying out for curved planking.

Chris
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 15, 2020, 12:51:21 am
Thank you for your input Chris. I really appreciate your reply. The thought of curving the planking did occur to me when reviewing the photos and I know that it wouldn't be too difficult, due to the pliability of the lime wood.
I'll certainly have a crack at it in the next workshop session and compare the results before committing to the glue - talking of which - I'm still undecided as to which type of glue to use. Any ideas on that front would also be most welcome.


Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: ChrisF on April 15, 2020, 10:24:01 am
Visually, curved planking looks much better as it follows the line of the hull and as you say that is how the full-sized boats are.

There has been a number of posts on here over the years but I can't remember what glues were used. I think I'd use aliphatic resin. Takes longer to dry/set but I had to buy some more recently, this time from Deluxe Materials and it certainly grabs quicker than the previous stuff I had.

Chris
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 15, 2020, 10:48:12 am
Thanks again Chris, I'll try that on some scrap first and go from there  :-)) .


Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on April 15, 2020, 12:39:47 pm

Yeah have to agree with Chris defo curved planking (says him with it all to come)   {:-{   and defo Alphatic glue, Delux Materials probably the best one IMO. yes in all the years I worked in the boat building industry I don't recall ever seeing a straight planked deck.


Joe.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Mark T on April 15, 2020, 12:58:01 pm
Looking great Ray  :-))   I agree with the other lads and definitely use aliphatic resin.  If you put a thin layer down with a brush and then move the plank backwards and forwards slightly when installing you will see that the glue grabs hold of the plank.  Saves using clamps and weights!
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 15, 2020, 08:18:26 pm
Chris, Joe and Mark, thanks for all your replies - so, curved planking it is  :-))
I've already got aliphatic wood glue, so that's a bonus...


Does anyone know what the maximum plank length should be and would there be any advantage in starting at the stern, working up towards the forward detail?


Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Mark T on April 15, 2020, 09:05:33 pm
Hi Ray


OK this is purely my own opinion so take it with a pinch of salt - I think that as long as the king plank (the one that runs straight up the middle) is straight then everything else follows.  You can just set the pattern to something that you like - or I guess that a plank would be no longer than 6 - 8 feet so I guess you could scale that up if you wanted.


For me as long as its symmetrical side to side thats good enough for me - oh and still hard to achieve but you'll do it no problem


Mark
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 15, 2020, 09:18:38 pm
Cheers Mark, I'll have a dry run first and see how it's going to pan out.


Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on April 15, 2020, 11:01:29 pm

Hi Ray when I worked at Camper & Nicholson yachts I didn't actually work on deck planking that was always done by shipwrights but the teak planks were only around 2 1/2" wide but were 3 to 4 metres long it's easier to bend a long narrow length plus it keeps the number of joints to a minimum and as Mark said they started at the king plank.


Joe
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 15, 2020, 11:19:18 pm
Ok Joe, thanks for the info.
What I'm failing to understand is how you develop the curve from what would be a straight plank alongside the king plank and gradually radiating out to the deck edge.
I'll have another look at it after (hopefully) a good restful sleep  %) .


Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: SailorGreg on April 16, 2020, 08:24:39 am
Actually you start at the edge of the hull - that defines the plank's curve - and work towards the centreline.  This means the last few pieces are long thin triangles and need some careful fitting. If you look at Reply 21 of my J class build (https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,58937.0.html) there are pictures of the process.


Happy building


Greg
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 16, 2020, 09:36:07 am
Greg, just finished reading your yacht build and it's just what I needed. Actually, just before I left the workshop I took a full length of lime strip and pushed it up against the deck edging and thought, surely that must be the way to go.
I'll do a dry run later this evening to get a bit of confidence and take it from there.
By the way, I must admit I've never read a full yacht build before, - your J-class is a beauty. Thank you for the link :-))


Regards,
Ray.

Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on April 16, 2020, 11:09:40 am

Just to clarify the boats I worked on were Yachts and fundamentally differ at the bow to the Huntsman 31 with it's large round bow and to make things even harder the heart shaped detail of the capping that the planking abuts to, that is why I plan on using a .8 ply sub deck dry fitted to the boat and planked off the boat I thought it might be easier to fit the long slithers that Greg mentioned glued in place and trimmed when set, any way here's a couple of pics for inspiration.


Joe
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 16, 2020, 11:36:31 am
Ahh, brilliant. Thanks for sharing those pics Joe. All three with different planking applied.
Dry run this evening but I'm leaning towards the style of the one in the 1st photo.


Your idea of planking off the hull sounds like a very good idea.
Wish I'd thought of that...Still, onwards we go  :-))


Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: ChrisF on April 16, 2020, 12:51:38 pm
Planking off the boat will work if the deck is flat, but if cambered it won't  unless you can replicate the camber in the sub-deck which will be pretty much impossible!

Chris
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on April 16, 2020, 01:00:19 pm

Mine will only have a slight camber, so I can but try it, long way off though.


Joe
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 20, 2020, 11:51:50 pm
Update...

Following 4 aborted attempts at laying down planking over a couple of evening sessions, I've finally managed to make a start.
These first 2 photographs were taken last night - very little to see but at least it's a start...

...more to follow
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 20, 2020, 11:58:07 pm
The yellow-ish colour of the inboard plank (stbd side) in the above photos is due to the wood still being wet...

Managed to get just a little more done this evening...in between domestic duties, walking the dog, evening meal and Skype with family.

Just 2 photos to show how slow this is going.

Regards,

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Mark T on April 21, 2020, 07:22:39 am
A really nice start on the deck.  The two tone wood is going to look lovely  :-))
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on April 21, 2020, 10:39:26 am

I see your setting the bar high for me Ray, Thanks for that Mate  <*<


Joe.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: T888 on April 21, 2020, 11:03:06 am
Nice work Ray  :-))
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 21, 2020, 11:06:10 am
Thanks for the encouragement Mark, I just hope I can do this justice when it comes to the scraping, staining and varnishing  :-))


Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 21, 2020, 11:16:10 am
 {-) {-)


Joe, the bar may look high, but you're only seeing the images - I'm seeing the mess from grubby fingers etc
Also, the amount of efforts that were reduced to scrap when trying to get the shapes right - crazy  %%


Still, any progress is better than none  :-)


Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 21, 2020, 11:21:24 am
Thanks Dave, to quote a well used phrase -... "this is going to be a steep learning curve".


Still, I'm sure it will all turn out ok  %)


Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on April 21, 2020, 12:37:57 pm

Yeah I think bending deck planking is one of those things that doesn't scale down from the real thing that well, the plank may be scale size but the grain isn't just my opinion, we had a steamer at Camper&Nicholsons about 2 foot square and 20 feet long the teak planks were steamed over night and the shipwrights would dry fit 4 to 5 planks each side and clamp them over night next day when dried out some they were bonded down with Epethane (epoxy) then the cycle would start again.
Looking good though Ray.


Joe
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 21, 2020, 01:14:59 pm
Hey Joe, thanks for the insight to the full size operation - very interesting actually - as for bending the lime strips on mine, I just boil a kettle of water, transfer to an old tin coffee pot and leave the plank to soak for about 20 mins.
It still takes some effort to get the bends to conform to shape so, where necessary, I'm pinning in place and leaving to dry completely. Then it's just a case of marking the edges and ends, to represent the caulking and finally gluing in place and again holding with the pins.
It's slow going but should come out ok  :}
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: SailorGreg on April 21, 2020, 01:28:18 pm
Don't worry about the decking being a little messy at this stage.  As long as you focus on getting the joints tight it will all look lovely once you've finished, sanded or scraped the whole thing down and got some finish on it.  That warm glow of satisfaction awaits you in the future!  :-)) :-))

Greg
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 21, 2020, 01:59:07 pm
Thanks for your input Greg. It's rather hard to visualise a beautiful finish at this stage but I know that, with time and patience we should end up with at least a decent looking model.
Some of the finishes we see on here and at model displays are really lovely to see.
Here's hoping all goes well  :-)


Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: NigelTailyour on April 22, 2020, 05:03:19 pm
By coincidence, I too am trying to make a deck on a very old Huntsman 31 found unused locally.
But I am a complete novice. So I am asking if you could let me know the type of wood and the side that I buy.
I have look in the online shops and the choice is too overwhelming! I have already bought the wrong thing and I hope to send it back.
Can anyone let me know the size and type of wood to use?
Many thanks
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Mark T on April 22, 2020, 05:23:51 pm
Don't worry about the decking being a little messy at this stage.  As long as you focus on getting the joints tight it will all look lovely once you've finished, sanded or scraped the whole thing down and got some finish on it.  That warm glow of satisfaction awaits you in the future!  :-)) :-))

Greg


This is great advice  O0   Just take your time and when you do sand or scrape it back you will very happy with your work  ok2
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 22, 2020, 09:59:44 pm


So I am asking if you could let me know the type of wood and the side that I buy.



Hi there Nigel, my deck is just a piece of old scrap plywood that I had lying around, can't even remember where I picked it up!
Anyway, it is 3mm thickness, measured about 900 x 300mm before trimming to fit. The ply is certainly not marine grade! - more like the kind builders use for stud walls. If I were just starting again I would probably go for birch faced ply.
Whatever you use, be sure to give it a few coats of sanding sealer, sanding down between coats.
You may also want to check out RadioJoe's build here : https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,64796.0.html


You will find others as you browse around.


Oh, and welcome to the crazy world of model boat mayhem  :-))


Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on May 20, 2020, 09:39:57 pm
Well, finally got the deck planking on - it's a bit of a mess but, following up on comments/suggestions, it should all clean up nicely %)
hope so anyway...

so here's a couple of progress shots, followed by the completion of planking ones.

Have fun, but stay safe everyone.

Regards,

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on May 20, 2020, 10:44:37 pm

Well done Ray I know darn well that wasn't easy, you have my admiration for sticking with it.  :-))




Joe.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on May 20, 2020, 11:04:38 pm
Cheers Joe, your moral support is most welcome.
Next time I do any deck planking I'm going to try and come up with some sort of plank 'puller' to try and avoid using pins.  ok2


Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Mark T on May 30, 2020, 06:42:47 pm
I don't know how I missed this post but I did - Ray I think its come out great and bending wood like that so thats its symmetrical is very tricky.  Top job mate whens the next update?
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on May 30, 2020, 07:01:05 pm
Hi ya Mark, thank you for the compliments.
I've literally just finished scraping the Port side deck planking - looks reasonable to me - further update and a couple of photos probably tomorrow.


 :-))


Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on May 31, 2020, 05:58:27 pm
Here we are to date:-

Just 4 photos, giving an indication of the task....

Hope to get the Stbd side scraped off in the next day or two, then it'll be a good clean up, followed by staining (walnut) and varnishing.

Regards,

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on May 31, 2020, 06:10:49 pm

Very nice Ray, there is a subtle difference on the port side in the photos anyway, but, and this is in no way a criticism do you not think Walnut is a bit too dark, the deck looks ok as is , maybe a sealer.




Joe
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on May 31, 2020, 08:16:45 pm
All comments are welcome Joe.
I actually thought along those lines last night. I think it may be prudent to carry out another couple of test pieces, this time with the mahogany incorporated so as to make a comparison. Got to get the remainder of the stbd side scraped back first though - it's tedious but no doubt worth it in the end.  :-))


Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: ChrisF on May 31, 2020, 08:52:36 pm
Hi Ray

I agree with Joe. The colour as is stands is similar to most full sized boats and the contrast with mahogany always looks good .

Out of interest what's the reason for scraping rather than sanding?

Chris
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on May 31, 2020, 09:17:48 pm
Hi ya Chris, initially I thought the deck should be a deep, dark colour with a good covering of varnish but, on reflection and having Joe and yourself onboard, my thoughts are now changing. Plus, of course, the wooden decks on these boats would naturally fade to a sort of yellow / white.
My thanks to you both for your input and this will also help save me a bit of time.


I tried sanding the deck at first but I found that it was sort of dragging the stains into the wood grain so I switched to scraping with a Stanley knife blade. It is a bit tedious but gives a cleaner finish.
I just wonder if I've perhaps been using too rough a grit of sandpaper?


Still, I'm nearly finished now so I'll crack on with the scraping then give it a good clean up.  :-))


Regards,
Ray.


Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on June 01, 2020, 08:52:09 am

Your efforts will be rewarded Ray, the reason I say Walnut would be a bit on the dark side is just about all ships/boats have Teak decking that is left untreated and weathers to a light grey colour, Teak is used mainly because it doesn't rot and doesn't need a treatment of any kind, Though I do remember a boat owner at Camper & Nicholson insisting on using Teak oil on his deck a practice he soon stopped when he found the deck got very slippery when wet, I'm not suggesting we leave our decks untreated though, being very thin wood it will require a sealer, I would suggest a thinned clear Mat polyurethane that's what I'll use on mine always assuming I manage to bend them darn "planks"  %%


Joe
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on June 01, 2020, 09:11:01 am
Hiya Joe, yeah, I was just wondering what to seal the deck with.
I did think about maybe just 2 or 3 coats of ronseal satin varnish - but would that be good enough and would it need renewing every couple of years?


... think I'll take your suggestion on.  :-))


Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: ChrisF on June 01, 2020, 10:22:44 am

I've used International Schooner tung oil varnish on the deck of my Huntsman 28. I know it's not correct, but I wanted one model with a high gloss finish, so put several thick coats on. That's on birch ply and gives a lovely mellow honey colour.


I put a thin coat on the laser etched planking on another model and that looks about right. The shine can be taken off using fine wet and dry etc. I've got to use it on my other models as it's quite a big tin!

Chris

Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on June 29, 2020, 06:27:33 pm
Just checking you are OK Ray, been nearly a month since we heard from you.  :o


Joe




Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on June 30, 2020, 09:40:41 pm
Hi Joe, this is my first visit to the workshop since the 1st of June. I managed to get 4 coats of varnish applied to the deck, after which I seemed to have no real urge to continue - must have been the thought of making all those window frames - however, I'm back now and I'll try to get on with it.
I'll be making some deck planking for the cockpit tonight and put a few pictures up tomorrow.
Oh, and thank you for your concern mate. I'm still in good health.  :-))


Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on June 30, 2020, 10:31:07 pm
Hi Ray, you go at your own pace mate, just pleased to hear you are ok in this uncertain time.   :-))


Joe.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on February 12, 2021, 04:11:31 pm
Well, after such a long (self-imposed) hiatus, I'm back...

On my last update I mentioned getting the deck varnished but I didn't have photos at the time so here's a few to get this thread up and running again...

Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: T888 on February 12, 2021, 04:19:21 pm
Nice  :-))  good see you back Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on February 12, 2021, 04:21:22 pm
...and so, this week I've been working on the cockpit floor planking. Having learned the problems associated with planking in situ, this is being carried out off the boat.
Managed to get the drivers floor one done, working on the rear of the cockpit flooring now.

Couple of photos...

Regards,

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on February 12, 2021, 04:23:54 pm
Nice  :-))  good see you back Ray.

Cheers Dave, loads of catching up to do but, we'll get there. :-))

Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Mark T on February 12, 2021, 05:36:20 pm
Welcome back Ray and lovely work I think the deck looks great  :-))
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on February 12, 2021, 05:44:32 pm
Cheers Mark, beginning to plan ahead now  :-)


Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on February 12, 2021, 06:31:52 pm
Hi Ray, good to see you back mate, she is looking grand, I do like the butt joints in the main deck I wish I had put some in my Huntsman's deck now, I could cut some in but it's all sealed etc. so I'll leave well enough alone, keep going Ray.  :-))




Joe.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Stan on February 12, 2021, 06:36:21 pm
Hi Ray looking good.


Stan
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on February 12, 2021, 07:04:06 pm
Cheers Joe, I'm quite happy with the deck itself but I still need to find a way to finish the edging without affecting the work already done.
Anyway, we're back at it and looking forward to more modelling.  :-)
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on February 12, 2021, 07:07:51 pm
Cheers Stan, hope to get a bit more done this evening - if my heater can get the temperature up to a comfortable level.  %)
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on February 12, 2021, 07:32:07 pm
Hi Ray, I used 5mm x 0.5mm mahogany strip to cover the joint between the hull and deck, bends around easy and blends in quite well.


Joe.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on February 12, 2021, 07:40:27 pm
That sounds like a good idea, I'll have a go at that - thanks Joe  :-)


Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on February 19, 2021, 06:59:38 pm
Managed to get a few bits done this week:-

The flooring for the aft section of the cockpit has been completed in much the same way as the for'd bit, but with 2 sections made ready to receive the stowage lockers - when I get them made, that is...
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on February 19, 2021, 07:08:13 pm
Hi Ray cockpit's looking good, is the boat going to be Pink or is it a trick of the light, not that there's any thing wrong with Pink %)   %%




Joe.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on February 19, 2021, 07:11:56 pm
...roughed out some block balsa to make the drivers control panel. This has now been coated with sanding sealer, 3 coats rubbed down between each coat. Hope to get this painted over the weekend.
Also made the steering wheel by utilising a split ring and a few cut-down cocktail sticks. Should look ok %)

A start made on the throttle control - made from a few bits of scrap plasticard...

Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on February 19, 2021, 07:14:13 pm
Hi Ray cockpit's looking good, is the boat going to be Pink or is it a trick of the light, not that there's any thing wrong with Pink %)   %%

Joe.

 {-) {-) I didn't even notice that Joe - cheers. :-)
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on February 19, 2021, 07:23:55 pm
Window frames have been made, in 1mm plasticard, and tacked in place. These will be removed this weekend and sprayed - if the weather forecast is correct, that is.

Made the mahogany top for the for'd saloon, which took a lot of persuasion to conform to the saloon top. <*<

With a bit of effort, might get a bit more done in the coming days...

Regards,

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Mark T on February 19, 2021, 10:31:03 pm
Very nice work Ray I really like the flooring!
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on February 19, 2021, 10:48:59 pm
Cheers Mark. The cockpit floor will probably be the best bit of the model - we'll see....


Thanks for looking in mate  :-))


Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on March 07, 2021, 07:37:47 pm
Took advantage of the 1 mild day we had, to get the window frames sprayed and once hardened off these were finally glued in place with cyano - took 3 attempts to get 2 of them to stick, this was due to my forgetting to key the surfaces  :embarrassed:

The drivers control panel was also given a couple of coats of Fiat Bianco Bossa Nova White (Halfords)
While that was drying off, made a couple of test prints for the dashboard and throttle - these looked ok so the waterslide transfers were made and the dashboard panel made with scrap mahogany.
This was then given 2 coats of varnish.
Now came a slight snag...the transfer sheets are of the 'clear' type, so anything white disappears from the transfer - that's because the printer doesn't actually print in white. In this instance it meant that the dials and pointers on the instruments would not show so, to get around this I simply made a white panel (slightly smaller than the mahogany) and applied the transfer to that...Bingo!

So now, all 3 transfers were applied - 1 on dash, 1 on lower console and 1 on the throttle body.

Finally, the steering wheel was simply glued to the body and that's the console done . The throttle levers just need a bead or similar adding.

Next will be the cockpit doors....
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on March 07, 2021, 08:12:57 pm
So, the for'd saloon doors were made, 1 double door for saloon access and 1 single for w/c access.
These were given 3 x coats of varnish and, once dried, simple brass handles attached.

The aft sliding hatch is now made and installed on the aft saloon...

I'm now venturing into some new territory (new to me anyway) which is sculptors modelling clay :o
This stuff is rather soft initially but, once baked, becomes very hard and can be sanded and painted.
I've made 2 types of supports for the grabrails and these have been oven-baked at 130-135c for about 20mins.
These will be used as masters for the rubber moulding and cast in resin when supplies arrive.

In the meantime I'll be attempting to make the framework for the seats.

Ray.

Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: T888 on March 07, 2021, 08:28:29 pm
She coming along very nicely Ray  :-))
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on March 07, 2021, 08:35:57 pm
Cheers Dave, much appreciated...hoping to get a bit more done this coming week O0

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on March 07, 2021, 08:45:15 pm
Ray your like a bus you wait and wait then three comes along together  {-) {-)  jocking aside though it's looking rather good, I had the same problem with the instument panel in the end I just printed it on paper and coated it with laquer nice going mate.


Joe
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on March 07, 2021, 08:55:57 pm
Ray your like a bus you wait and wait then three comes along together  {-) {-)

Joe

 {-) {-) {-) Cheers Joe.

Ref instrument panel, that's not a bad idea you came up with actually. If you've got a number of 'slides' to make it could work out a lot cheaper than the transfer paper :-))

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on March 07, 2021, 09:20:00 pm
I do make water slides but same problem no white ink, course printing on paper is thicker but didn't show too much on an instrment panel when I do names etc. I try to have a white back ground hence on my Huntsman I put the name on the air intakes , keep up the good work  :-))




Joe.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: madwelshman on March 07, 2021, 10:20:17 pm
Great work ray, she's taking shape nicely now.


Personally, I think it's great that there is plenty of love for the Fairey brand and that builds/repairs/modifications of the various kits/plans are still going on.


I REALLY need to get on with mine.


Will
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on March 07, 2021, 10:29:06 pm
Cheers Will, this build has been far from easy so far but I'm sure it'll work out fine eventually.


It'll be good to see you getting started, assuming you're going to start a blog? - hope so anyway  :-)


Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: madwelshman on March 07, 2021, 10:59:11 pm
These things are sent to try us aren't they.


Yeah, I really need to make a start on one of them now.
I have started a blog for the 34" Huntsman, but not done anything on it since I bought it, because I've been doing a few jobs/repairs on some of my Aerokits boats that I have rescued.
All of mine are projects and all need work to some degree.
The only one that isn't is the Huntress kit I got for Christmas.


Will



Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on March 07, 2021, 11:17:29 pm
Ah yes, found your blog (09/12/20) - your original one (06/12/20)still awaits deleting.  :((


I'll keep watching for any updates...


Thanks for the pointer to your updates Will.  :-))


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: JimG on March 08, 2021, 11:58:42 am
I do make water slides but same problem no white ink, course printing on paper is thicker but didn't show too much on an instrment panel when I do names etc. I try to have a white back ground hence on my Huntsman I put the name on the air intakes , keep up the good work  :-))

Joe.
You can buy white film for waterslide transfers when you need a white background.
Jim
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on March 08, 2021, 12:26:59 pm
I'll look into that Jim but wouldn't you have to carefully cut around the edge or the white would show


Joe.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Mark T on March 08, 2021, 05:17:06 pm
Looking very nice indeed Ray - Sorry I've just not posted earlier but have had a few problems with the heating at home.  Its just about sorted now so I can spend a bit more time here  :-))
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on March 08, 2021, 05:59:25 pm
Thanks Mark, no worries mate.
Hope all goes well with your heating system.


Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on March 13, 2021, 12:23:47 am
Managed to get a bit more done this week:-

Rear saloon doors made, varnished and installed.
Stowage lockers c/w varnished tops made, painted and installed.
Metal frames made for the seats (pics show difficulty I had getting things lined up for soldering)

...
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on March 13, 2021, 12:35:24 am
...windscreen side supports made, painted and epoxied into position.
For'd saloon skylight frame made and glazed with an old plastic document envelope. (I'll be using this stuff for the main glazing when I reach that stage).
Had an off-cut from making the seat framework so used that to made a footrest for the driver...
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on March 13, 2021, 12:43:34 am
...and finally, for now, made up the drivers seat cushion, in balsa which has been given a couple of coats of sanding sealer, ready for primer (when weather permits).

...oh, and I've made some cockpit trimming, to tidy things up a bit - just need to get them varnished %)

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on March 13, 2021, 10:47:53 am
There's a rumour going round that this boat may hit the water one day, with the latest progress I think it just might  %% %%
Nice going Ray I lke the seats they look quite realistic.


Joe.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on March 13, 2021, 11:02:48 am
Cheers Joe, the intention is to use the seat (it's in 2 parts) as the master to make 3 seats in resin - a single for the driver and 2 side by side for the passengers. Not sure yet whether to make others for the locker tops, it could end up as overkill.
Anyway, we seem to be making some progress at last  :-) .


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Stuw on March 13, 2021, 11:23:32 am
I’m enjoying following this. Ingenious use of the folder plastic! Looks great.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on March 13, 2021, 11:40:22 am
Thanks Stuw, I'm kind of making it up as I go along but hopefully it'll turn out ok  :-)


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Stuw on March 13, 2021, 11:57:35 am
Out of interest what adhesive are you using for that plastic window glazing?
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on March 13, 2021, 12:18:56 pm
Hiya Stuw, I use 'Formula 560' canopy glue. I've had this bottle since 1998 and it's still working fine. Any overspill is easily wiped off with kitchen roll. It does take a while to solidify but this gives you plenty time for any repositioning needed.
Definitely recommended  O0


Ray.

Edit : here's a link https://www.modelshopleeds.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=105

Other stockists available.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Mark T on March 13, 2021, 01:16:39 pm
Looking great Ray - needs to be ready by June for the big lift in restrictions  - no pressure mate  %%
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Stan on March 13, 2021, 01:20:47 pm
Looking good Ray I use a Deluxe canopy glue for my glazing. One for Stuw  pictures showing  glazing on my Grand Banks build using a a similar glue to Ray. Lets hope June is the turning point .


Stan.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on March 13, 2021, 01:38:37 pm
Cheers Mark, yeah, if its not finished by then I'll take up a new hobby  :embarrassed: :-X


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on March 13, 2021, 01:42:17 pm
Cheers for that Stan, June's the target now (can't afford to take up any more hobbies)  8)


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on March 13, 2021, 01:58:03 pm
Wot like knitting  %) %) {-)
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on March 13, 2021, 02:15:40 pm
Yeah!... or maybe cross stitch  {-)


Note : no offence intended to those people who enjoy those pass times.


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on March 13, 2021, 02:18:39 pm
 {-) {-)


Joe.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Stan on March 13, 2021, 04:00:54 pm
HI Ray this any good?
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on March 13, 2021, 04:24:29 pm
Thanks for that Stan, I'll drop you a pm later  :-))


Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Stuw on March 13, 2021, 06:25:06 pm
Thanks Ray and Stan for the info. A multitude of different adhesives required! My collection is growing...
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on March 20, 2021, 05:15:25 pm
Well, we managed to get a little bit more done this week...

T
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on March 20, 2021, 05:20:40 pm
Oops!

Let's try again....

The afore mentioned trims for the cockpit are now in place, having received 3 coats of varnish...
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on March 20, 2021, 05:34:34 pm
...the drivers seat was primed, set up as the master and 3 resin copies produced.
As can be seen in this first photo, I suffered a bit of overspill. This is just one of the problems associated with dystonic tremors in my hand >:-o

Still, it could be worse. Anyway, with a little effort I was able to get all 3 seats made and trimmed up, ready for spraying :-))

...
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on March 20, 2021, 05:37:23 pm
I'll try to put a bit more up later this evening - wor lass needs the laptop now :-X

Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on March 20, 2021, 05:49:28 pm
Well they turned out OK Ray , tell er in doors to get er own laptop only don't say I said so  :embarrassed: %%


Joe.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on March 20, 2021, 05:55:37 pm
Ha, ha, cheers Joe


Actually, it's her laptop - think I'll pay a visit to pc world when restrictions ease  :-)) .


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Mark T on March 20, 2021, 07:16:15 pm
Ha, ha, cheers Joe


Actually, it's her laptop - think I'll pay a visit to pc world when restrictions ease  :-)) .


Ray.


Hi Ray just use your wife's laptop to order yours online  {-)   That'll make for a nice evening at home  %%   BTW the builds looking lovely  :-))
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on March 21, 2021, 12:28:36 pm
Cheers for comments Mark. I'm a bit reluctant to buy another laptop - this one works fine on Win 8.1 and I'm dreading moving up to Win 10 :o

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on March 21, 2021, 01:18:26 pm
A while ago I mentioned making some items with sculptors modelling clay (page 8 reply no.186)...

Well, I've managed to cast a few supports from the masters (angled and uprights) and given them a few coats of woodstain. Also made the boathook brackets at the same time.

To use up excess resin I cast a couple of airhorns and the cruciform bollard - these are currently undergoing a paint job...
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on March 21, 2021, 01:21:40 pm
One more update to follow later today...

...the dinner bell just rang out O0

Regards,

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Mark T on March 21, 2021, 01:35:18 pm
Nice one Ray they look great  - I've never tried casting I'll have to give it a go some time too. I'm off for my dinner now too  %%
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on March 21, 2021, 01:52:21 pm
Hi Ray some nice fittings there, you have taken up casting very well it's a lot of fun is'nt it and surprising what you can make, I would love to try 3D printing but I just could'nt justify the expence.


Joe.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: T888 on March 21, 2021, 02:07:31 pm
Hi Ray,


Nice to see you having ago at casting, the air horn castings look good as well  :-))
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on March 21, 2021, 04:05:11 pm
Cheers Mark, judging by the work standards we see on your builds, I can foresee you having no problems making your own castings.  :-)

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on March 21, 2021, 04:12:23 pm
Cheers Joe, and yes, this casting game can be so rewarding in terms or satisfaction. I've also made eight sets of liferaft canisters for some future builds.
I'm with you on the 3D printing - want to have a go but the initial outlay and the CAD work make it somewhat prohibitive %)

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on March 21, 2021, 04:14:27 pm
Cheers Dave, I had misgivings with regard to the outcome of these castings but they turned out quite nice. :-)

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on March 21, 2021, 04:31:17 pm
Now then, I usually leave the window glazing to near the end of a build but, I thought it would be better to do it now, before the little bits and pieces get added to the saloon tops.
Well, when I tried to do the first side I found that I couldn't get the plastic to sit firmly on the apertures. this was due to the way I'd built the inner coaming which, due to my bad planning, was in the way and too difficult to remove without causing too much damage.
So now, my only other option was to remove the window frames and stick the 'glass' to the inside of them.
As a consequence, I've given myself more work to do - both the frames and the structure sides and ends will need rubbing down again and respraying - I'll get cracking with that this evening...

...a few photos attached.

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 07, 2021, 11:13:56 pm
To continue with the windows...

First job was to rub down the window frames, both sides and another rub down of the structure...

Then it was all masked off ready for spraying...
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 07, 2021, 11:17:04 pm
Window frames and seats mounted on card, ready for the spray job (primer / topcoats)...
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 07, 2021, 11:19:45 pm
The saloon was then tackled and, oops! got too close with the spray can and ended up with a runny mess...
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 07, 2021, 11:24:49 pm
Now I had to wait a couple of days before rubbing it down and spraying again. This was done once the weather was again suitable and got the window frames and the seats painted at the same time...
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 07, 2021, 11:41:18 pm
In the previous photo you can see the windows are now in place c/w glazing.

I had tried to fit the "glass" using canopy glue but, after leaving it for 24hrs, it just peeled straight back off. Don't know if it's because my bottle of glue is so old or just not suitable for this type of plastic. Incidentally, I caught the saloon top skylight with my sleeve and it also just lifted the plastic off.

The solution came in the form of double sided sticky tape. First, the tape was applied to the inside and the frames stuck down to the plastic sheet. Next, each frame was carefully cut from the sheet, turned over, and the taped applied once again so as to be able to apply the completed frames to the structure...and that's where we are at now.
Not a lot done since the last update but better than nothing at all.

A few more photos to hopefully explain the glazing sequence.

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on April 08, 2021, 09:53:11 am
Well there's more than one way to skin a cat Ray  (No cats were harmed in this post)   :o    I'll have to look out for that tape I can see a few applications for it, I've got a roll of 1 inch double sided that I use to hold stuff for spraying but it's a bit on the thick side for any build work, What's the name on yours it looks like STIX or something, Your getting there Ray


Joe
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 08, 2021, 10:15:35 am
Cheers Joe, it is indeed Stix2 - I bought the 3.5mm and the 6mm widths - I'll come back on with details of supplier shortly  :-))


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 08, 2021, 10:51:45 am
This is where I got the tape Joe


https://www.hobbycraft.co.uk/stix-2-anything-double_sided-ultra-sticky-tape-35mm-x-16m/563570-1000?query=double-sided-sticky-tape

There will be others I guess...

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on April 08, 2021, 11:34:22 am
Cheers Ray, I'm sure a couple of rolls would come in handy  :-))


Joe.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Mark T on April 09, 2021, 08:11:37 pm
Double sided tape - thats genius Ray and the results look fantastic.  I wonder what was wrong with your canopy glue?  I have found it to be really strong stuff.  I think I'll check mine and see if there is a use by date.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 09, 2021, 08:57:52 pm
Cheers for the comments Mark, much appreciated.
As for the canopy glue, I've never had problems with it before but, to be fair, my bottle was bought in 1998 and I've still only used about half of it.
I'll do some tests over the weekend with different glazing materials. I'm quite convinced the problem has been with the plastic.
I've used this glue on 12 models without a hitch but this is the first using this type of plastic (which I've had for approx 12 years)


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: T888 on April 09, 2021, 09:11:03 pm
Ray, As they say there is more than one way to skin a cat, different use for DS Tape. :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 09, 2021, 09:17:59 pm
Thanks for that Dave - I was tempted to try mini dots of cyano but I know the damage that can do and I really couldn't face another frame clean up - that's when the idea of the tape came to me.


Well, that's another problem solved - what's next...  %)


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: DJW on April 09, 2021, 10:05:24 pm
Hi Ray
That double sided tape is very good, I've used it on a couple of household jobs. I will be using it to hold the cushions and padding on my aquarama build, precise, instant grab and as you say, no mess.
It's a good solution for that glazing.
Best regards
David.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 09, 2021, 10:08:24 pm
Cheers David, that's what I like to see on this forum - good ideas being shared  :-))


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on April 10, 2021, 10:08:38 am
Hi Ray I'm sure that glue has a shelf life although I've never seen a use by date on them, I had a bottle of thin styrene glue that had been at the back of a shelf for a considerable time, when I tried it and opened the bottle it was still like water but had no effect on styrene whatsoever, also found an old thin cyano that had turned to jelly, neither of these was as old as your 23 year old canopy glue  %) {-) {-) .


ps I ordered two rolls of that Stix2 tape to experiment with I got it from Stix website direct far less postage than Hobbycraft who charge as much for postage as the two rolls of tape.




Joe.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 10, 2021, 10:31:02 am
Thank you for the update Joe, much appreciated. :-)
Points to note : 1. Check my adhesives and replace when they start to deteriorate. 2. Shop around for better deals!  :-))


Ray
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on June 06, 2021, 09:04:50 am
Nothing done since 7th April - hope to get back onto it this evening / tomorrow.


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on June 06, 2021, 09:44:03 am
You go at your own pace Ray the cobwebs make it look more realistic  %)


Joe
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: T888 on June 06, 2021, 10:38:25 am
Will be awaiting your postings  :-))
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on June 06, 2021, 10:51:02 am
the cobwebs make it look more realistic  %)

Joe


 {-) {-) {-)
Cheers Joe


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on June 06, 2021, 10:58:49 am
Will be awaiting your postings  :-))


Cheers Dave, hopefully have something to show soon %)


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Mark T on June 06, 2021, 02:18:28 pm
Hi Ray - I'm looking forward too mate but just do it in your own time  :-))
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on June 06, 2021, 02:26:47 pm
Will do mate - cheers  :-)


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on June 07, 2021, 10:15:57 pm
Just a tiny update to get back into the swing...

The cockpit seats are in, although the drivers single seat is currently free-standing until I can get the base 'feet' made and stained.
A bit more mahogany trim varnished and glued to the cockpit for'd bulkhead.

...and just one quick snap before the camera batteries gave up. I've got replacements, just need to find them now :embarrassed:

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: T888 on June 08, 2021, 05:01:09 am
Lovely wood work there Ray  :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on June 08, 2021, 08:17:38 am
Cheers Dave, much appreciated.
Next bit of woodwork will be to tidy up where deck edge meets hull top - that area looks awful at the moment.
Small steps and onward...


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on June 08, 2021, 08:28:18 am
You've cleaned the cobwebs off Ray  {-)  seriously though mate from a boat that was due for the tip look at how far you've come great job Ray finish it in your own time mate  :-))


Joe
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on June 08, 2021, 08:39:26 am
Cheers Joe and much appreciated again.
The trim I mentioned is the mahogany 5mm x 0.5 that you pointed out earlier. Probably need a few coats of varnish to help match it up.


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on June 08, 2021, 11:07:09 am
Yeah I think you will fine that strip will cover the deck joint nicely and bends round easy and with the edges sanded blends in and looks right.


Joe
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on June 08, 2021, 11:27:21 am
Thanks Joe, which glue to use? I'm thinking either aliphatic or cyano - hmmm....


Think I'll try aliphatic first. Cyano probably cause problems if it needs any adjustments.


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on June 08, 2021, 12:00:49 pm
I did mine by keeping it fimly in place with tape and running thin cryaro into the join hasn't moved yet


Joe.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: T888 on June 08, 2021, 12:40:01 pm
Just be careful with cryaro glue it can dis-colour the wood.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on June 08, 2021, 01:37:45 pm
Joe and Dave, both points noted and thanks lads, very much appreciated  :-))


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Stuw on June 09, 2021, 09:49:10 pm
Cheers Dave, much appreciated.
Next bit of woodwork will be to tidy up where deck edge meets hull top - that area looks awful at the moment.
Small steps and onward...


Ray.


A great quality renovation that you’re doing here. No point rushing in my opinion. (I’m not!) ive learnt a few things from your work (like using homemade decals, making a steering wheel from scratch etc)
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on June 09, 2021, 09:58:26 pm
Thanks Stuw and your comments are very much appreciated.
It's a good feeling when other people appreciate what you're trying to achieve - we can all help each other along the way :-))

Ray.


Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: T888 on June 10, 2021, 06:07:38 am
Ray, I also agree with “Stuw” comments and enjoy your build  :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on June 20, 2021, 10:31:06 pm
Finally, found time to get the side trim sorted.
For anyone with a similar problem as mine ref the tremor in the hand, I found a solution to applying glue to a brush head - just use a vice or similar to hold the brush steady while dispensing the glue. I've used Aliphatic resin and this needed to be applied in stages until the whole edging was completed.

...a few photos, then a smaller update to follow:-

Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on June 20, 2021, 10:38:04 pm
...once the glue had dried the joint between deck and edging was rounded off, the boat given a good brush off, to clear resultant sawdust, and wiped down with panel-wipe.

The whole deck was then given a coat of varnish. I'll check the result when dry (tomorrow).

Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on June 20, 2021, 10:44:57 pm
Finally for now, here's a photo of the sponges used to apply the varnish. I bought these a while ago and find they are good for about 3 coats, provided the heads are cleared of the varnish as much as possible - I just squeeze them with a few sheets of kitchen roll.

When they are passed their usefulness, the heads are removed and the remainder used as stirrers. :-))

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: T888 on June 21, 2021, 08:50:41 pm
Ray,
Nice job of bending the wood around the stern :-)) 
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on June 21, 2021, 09:07:05 pm
Cheers David, yeah, that bit was relatively easy - I had more bother with the sides actually  :o
Joe suggested the size of mahogany to use and, as he said, it does bend nicely  :-))


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on June 22, 2021, 09:35:24 am
That's the deck edge finished very nicely Ray,  :-))


Joe
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on June 22, 2021, 09:52:30 am
Thanks Joe, your suggestion was spot on!
Managed to get another coat of varnish on last night and that should be fine now.  :-))


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on July 17, 2021, 09:37:25 pm
Just another little update...

Managed to get another coat of varnish on last night and that should be fine now.  :-))

Ray.

To compliment the above, here's a couple of shots of the boat in daylight rather than under fluorescent light...

Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on July 17, 2021, 09:41:27 pm
Next, the drivers seat has been installed complete with 'feet'

...and I managed to get some resin casting done - this is what I used as a master for the grab rail supports...
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on July 17, 2021, 09:49:31 pm
I had made these eight pieces individually but, as I needed a total of 32, I decided to group them together and use them to cast 8 at a time.

Also, I have been gifted fairleads, cruciform bollard and anvil bollards, along with the Force 4 vents.
These were kindly donated by one of our forum members...and these have now received the 1st coat of paint.

Here's a few more pics....

Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on July 17, 2021, 09:52:59 pm
The sloping supports are for the grab rail ends and the sort of triangle shape, with top chopped off, are the intermediate supports.

These have all now been sanded down and set up ready for painting, which I hope to complete tomorrow. %)

Regards,

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on July 18, 2021, 12:43:03 pm
All looking rather good Ray, she looks clean and bright out in the sunlight a far cry from what you started with, well done mate.


Joe :-))
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on July 18, 2021, 12:59:15 pm
Many thanks Joe and you've helped me along the way - hoping to start on the windscreen soon  :-))


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: T888 on July 18, 2021, 01:51:01 pm
Well Ray, the castings came out well, all adds to the that feeling, I made this and it looks good :}







Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on July 18, 2021, 02:05:41 pm
Thanks Dave and you're spot on there - so satisfying when they turn out good  O0 .


All being well I should get final coats on this evening and see if I have something suitable for the rails  :-))


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on September 26, 2021, 09:40:27 pm
Absolutely nothing done since last update in mid-July. Just brought it out tonight and given her a dust off.
Hope to be back on the boat this coming week.


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on October 03, 2021, 05:25:09 pm
Spent the last few evenings trying to make a suitable template for the boat windscreen. Meanwhile, getting some fittings ready to install and generally getting the boatshed into some semblance of order.
As can be seen in the photos I've managed to come up with a template for the windscreen (last photo) and just need to source suitable material - probably take a few attempts to get one made for installation.
Also, the photo showing plastic strip being coaxed around the saloon top wood was done in stages, using a hair dryer to help form the shape.

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on October 03, 2021, 09:09:22 pm
Hi Ray   yeah quite tricky the windscreen I used the small mast to brace the center of the screen, in case you are still looking for some clear plastic www.slecuk.com (http://www.slecuk.com) stock sheets large enough to do the screen in one piece,  500 x 660mm and  660 x 1000,  0.5mm thick, If it helps.


Joe.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on October 03, 2021, 09:14:51 pm
Ah brilliant, thanks for that Joe, I'll order a couple of sheets tomorrow.  :-))


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: T888 on October 04, 2021, 11:56:45 am
Nice to see you back on this build Capt :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on October 04, 2021, 07:00:46 pm
Cheers Dave - yeah, it's a good feeling and now I've finally finished doing jobs for family, friends and neighbours I can get on with my own outstanding tasks  :-))


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: T888 on October 04, 2021, 07:10:22 pm
Capt, you will enjoy getting back to your outstanding tasks (model boating?)  :-)) :-))

Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on October 04, 2021, 08:47:37 pm

Definitely!  :-))  O0 O0 O0
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: madwelshman on October 05, 2021, 11:33:31 am
I appreciate I'm a bit late with this, but I'm not sure, but i may have a plan template for the screen on a Precedent H31.
Assumjng im right and that i can find it, I don't know for sure which scale it is though.
If you'd like me to have a look for it, let me know.


Will
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on October 05, 2021, 12:35:22 pm
Hi Will, if you can find it, it could be useful to me, although I think my model dimensions are likely to be a bit different to the standard due to the way I've built the topsides.
No problem if you can't find the template and thanks for your offer  :-)


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: madwelshman on October 05, 2021, 01:14:51 pm
No problem Ray, I will have a look tonight and see if I can find it. If I can, I'll pm you for your email address.


Will
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Mark T on October 05, 2021, 06:47:26 pm
Great to see you back on it Ray  :-))
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on October 05, 2021, 08:01:40 pm
Aye, we're all good now Mark and thank you for all your encouragement mate  :-))


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: madwelshman on October 05, 2021, 08:24:08 pm
Ray, I've sent you a message  :-))


Will
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: T888 on October 05, 2021, 09:09:23 pm
Hi Ray


She looking nearly complete, whats remaining to do before she can get her feet wet ?
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on October 05, 2021, 09:16:38 pm
Ray, I've sent you a message  :-))

Will


That's great Will, thanks for that and I'll let you know how it goes.


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on October 05, 2021, 09:37:26 pm


whats remaining to do before she can get her feet wet ?


Still a fair bit to do yet Dave but feeling positive about her now.


Windscreen
Grabrails atop the saloons
Short mast
Pulpit rails
Safety rails down aft
Swimming ladder on the stern
Lights
Flag staff
Anchor rope pulley up for'd
Anchor stowage blocks
Fenders


The rest of the deck fittings are done, awaiting fitting.


Crew to be sourced or made...


Think that's about it though  :-)


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on December 09, 2021, 10:22:11 pm
Hello all, I haven't gone away, I'm just in modelling limbo - I've just had a good read through "all unread topics" which I've missed these last couple of months.


Now that I'm up to speed I'll be checking in regularly but, as regards this build, I am hoping to restart (again) in the 2nd week of January '22.


Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on December 09, 2021, 10:46:52 pm
Hi there Ray that's the good thing about modelling there dosn't have to be a finishing date, so it's good to hear from you and I hope all is well and have a good Chtismas.


Joe
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on December 09, 2021, 11:05:59 pm
Cheers Joe and hope all is well with you and yours and have a good one  :-) .


... And looking forward to a much better New Year  O0 .


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: T888 on December 10, 2021, 02:38:17 am
It’s nice to hear your be back to modelling in the new year Ray. :-))





Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on December 10, 2021, 08:39:38 pm
Aye, very much looking forward to it Dave - too much going on just now but should be sorted soon.  :-)


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on January 15, 2022, 10:56:28 pm
Finally, I've been able to get a few hours in on the boat this week!

After yet another good dust-down and clean up of the workshop, set about familiarising myself with where I'm up to.

Managed to get some of the upper fittings attached - airhorns, vents, boathook, cockpit grabrails and 3 of the four saloon top grabrails. I'll get the other one done tomorrow and then it'll be onto getting the windscreen sorted out...I've got the acetate and the template...had a couple of failed attempts at this so, decided to leave it for a little while longer. %)

Anyway, just managed the 1 photo (attached) so I'll get a few more tomorrow and post them up.

Cheers,

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on January 16, 2022, 06:33:10 am
Hi there Ray good to hear from you, the boat's looking grand mate, there's a rumour she might get her bottom wet this year  %% {-) .


Joe  :-))
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Mark T on January 16, 2022, 09:20:44 am
Hi Ray great to see you back  :-)) :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on January 16, 2022, 10:44:06 pm
Thanks Joe and Mark - much appreciated, and it feels good to be back...

...managed to get the last grabrail done today so, here's a few more photos - had to take the boat indoors again, for some decent daylight. :-)

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on March 09, 2022, 10:20:27 pm
Well, after 7 aborted attempts, we finally have a windshield - it's still not perfect but it'll do...

...these first 2 photos show the trial fitting of the one-piece acetate...

Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on March 09, 2022, 10:24:00 pm
...the next 3 show the plastic channel used for the trimming of the windshield...

...1st one gives sight of the type and size used...
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on March 09, 2022, 10:29:38 pm
...and these last 2 shots are with the windshield in place complete with the vertical struts.

Next item to deal with will be the mast that locates at centre front of the screen.

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on March 10, 2022, 10:17:43 am
Hi Ray good to hear from you, the screen looks just fine to me, good use of Evergreen channel for the screen frame I bottled it and just masked off the frame and gave it a couple of coats of silver enamel paint, how did you stick it on ,  Stix tape?  great stuff that I use it quite a lot on my rc car Lexan bodies, the boat is looking grand mate I have to keep reminding myself of what you started with  :-))


Joe.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Stuw on March 10, 2022, 01:00:15 pm
I echo the above, a quick look at page 1 of this thread and then seeing the current state - what a great change! I too would be interested on how you attached the channel. It looks the part!
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on March 10, 2022, 06:22:12 pm
Cheers Joe and Stuw - the windshield really has been such a frustrating item for me however, we're through that bit now...


Joe is correct ref the Stix2 tape, in this instance I've used the 3.5mm size.


Hope to get a bit more done over the weekend  :-))


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Netleyned on March 10, 2022, 07:10:18 pm
That is one of the best solutions for the infamous
Windscreen problem. Really looks great. The mast
is the next poser. I'm sure you will ace it Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on March 10, 2022, 07:56:43 pm
Cheers Ned, much appreciated. I thought about going down the 'car chrome trim' route but decided against it - plastic is easier to bend  :-))


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 01, 2022, 10:42:03 pm
Hi All, just another little update...

...after trying to make something fancy for the mast, decided to go with simple idea - shaped upright with horizontal wings and the whole given a few coats of wood dye...fits nicely against the windshield and the little step at the foot of it.

Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 01, 2022, 10:46:35 pm
...then tackled the anchor stowage blocks, made from the earlier resin casts, painted up and installed on the foredeck...

I've scratched the surface of the anchor itself, ready to receive a paint job..
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 01, 2022, 10:52:05 pm
...later on I'll add a pad of some description under the flukes to represent a deck protector...

Meanwhile, and finally for now, I've roughed out an anchor rope guide (put together for photo) and this will be dismantled for painting.

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on April 02, 2022, 07:50:37 am
All looking good Ray


Joe.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 02, 2022, 10:44:21 am
Cheers Joe, hope to get a jig made up this weekend for the pulpit rail and order up some silver solder.
I've not used that system before - should be interesting.


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: rayna on April 03, 2022, 06:22:46 am
 :} Hi from one Ray to another! Have just taken a look through your rebuild thread pages and am on a similar route myself. The model I have recently acquired comes in at ~ 1190mm long which probably makes it 1:8 scale but when I made up some dummy figures they were way too big (225mm high) if fact nuts so I wondered if the bridge deck was lower than the side decks and if so by how much. When I look at a photo gleaned off the web a side view shows that an average body the windscreen at the side view seems to come almost to shoulder level.I actually submitted another thread but then realised I should just you direct. Hope thats okRaynor JohnstonHamiltonNZ
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 03, 2022, 08:34:11 am
Hi there Ray, I have an artists posable figure which measures 5 1/4 inches (133mm) which seems to fit the bill in my boat. I'll do some other measurements later today and take some photos of him in the cockpit and standing on the deck. Hopefully this will help you.


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on April 03, 2022, 09:09:26 am
Yeah that sounds about right Ray I haven't got around to getting a figure for my Huntsman yet but that measurement would fit fine, about average height of 5.10 / 5.11 I guess.




Joe.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 03, 2022, 09:56:05 am
Cheers Joe, I sat the figure in the driver's seat and the head was about a half inch below the screen, which looked about right but, didn't think to take a photo!
I will do later today though  :-)) .


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on April 03, 2022, 10:41:22 am
Hi Ray I read the size of the figure wrong and thought it was 5.3/4" at 1:12 would be around 5' 9" ish so I guess you could use a figure any where between 5" to 6" in 1:12 scale, so at a guess a 1:8 scale figure would be around 8" to 9" Take no notice of me Ray just exercising the old grey matter, it needs a lot these days.


Joe
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: rayna on April 03, 2022, 11:43:37 am
 :-) Just recapping a bit here. I see on page one your boat is 34" long which equates to `1:12Whereas mine at 1180mm equals 1:8 therefore as noted the average figure at say 5' 8" or thereabouts needs a figure approximately 220mm high.Looking at some of the other threads referencing the Huntsman I can now see in the photos that the bridge deck is well below the level of the main deck whereas on my model the builder has made it the same level which makes my figure stand too tall.So KEY question is at what is the measurement from main deck level too the bridge/cockpit decK. If I have the measure from your 34" model I will just convert to suit my 1:8 scale and try my cut out in that.Hope that makes sense.regards and thanks for all input.Raynor J







Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 03, 2022, 12:21:25 pm
Hmm, ok let's try this...


Floor of my cockpit to top of side structure is 98mm.
Main deck to top of side structure is 52mm.
Therefore main deck to cockpit floor must be 46mm.
These measurements do not include the windshield.

Hope this helps you a little better however, the above is just using quick measurements with tape measure. I'll try again later this evening when I get to relax a bit.


Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: rayna on April 03, 2022, 08:44:34 pm
 :-) Again thanks all for input. Most appreciated and I should be right with all the info supplied.regards allRaynor
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 03, 2022, 08:52:11 pm
 :-))


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: ChrisF on April 03, 2022, 10:42:25 pm
Just bear in mind that the 34" model is a scale of 1:11 and the floor position of a model might not be in the same position relative to the full size boat which is why a figure at the correct scale might not look right if standing, should be Ok sitting though.

Chris
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 03, 2022, 10:49:04 pm
yeah, that's a good point Chris and thanks for the information, much appreciated.

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 03, 2022, 11:01:25 pm
Well, despite my good intentions, I've achieved almost nothing this weekend. Just got the anchor and the rope guide painted and rigged up.

I did, however, get some photos of the artists figure aboard the boat - see what you think...

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: ChrisF on April 03, 2022, 11:26:44 pm
Just to add that the rearmost part of the cockpit floor is in fact  about level with the deck, see drawing, it slopes upwards but then there is a deep footwell in front of the seats adjacent to the wheel for standing in. I know that drawing is correct as I have the original Fairey Marine drawing and in the full-size boat the engines are positioned under that raised rear section of floor.

Seems that the builder just fitted the floor at the higher level. I had a 1:8 Huntsman 31 which just had a level floor but that was much lower than the deck. As I said you can't bank on the floor being fitted at the "correct" position.

Chris
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 03, 2022, 11:55:37 pm
Ah yes, I see what you mean Chris...mine does have the 2 levels but not as per the plan. Still, I guess that makes little difference on the model, provided we're not attempting an exact replica.

Thanks for posting the plan Chris, every little helps. :-))

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: ChrisF on April 04, 2022, 08:23:56 am
Exactly Ray. Often some modellers licence is required.

Won't be long before yours sees water will it?

Chris
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on April 04, 2022, 08:28:12 am
Thank god for moddlers license if it wasn't for that I'd never get it right.  %%


Joe.


Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 04, 2022, 09:25:58 am
Won't be long before yours sees water will it?

Chris


Yeah, that's right Chris, once the pulpit rail gets sorted that'll be the final hurdle then just little bits and pieces.


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: rayna on April 05, 2022, 02:48:40 am
 O0 Again thanks all for input. Have saved figure pic so can build if not sourced elsewhere. Have altered the superstructure to give the lowered well in the cockpit and even my cut out person now looks right.regards all
Raynor
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 08, 2022, 11:19:08 pm
Hi All, here we go with another little update...

Decided to make the pulpit rail with copper coated mild steel just because that's what I have in stock.
First task was to get rid of the coating using wire-wool. A template of the foredeck was then made and I used this to mark out a piece of ply.
Panel pins were then tapped into place to get the curvature of the main (top) rail and the steel was bent around these and a block of wood used to maintain the height, held in place with a staple.
Because the steel is rather springy I used a weight to hold the steel down against the block -at this point we had a visit from the resident safety inspector... {-)

Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 08, 2022, 11:29:50 pm
...I think the rail height looks about right so the next thing needed is the first of the 4 deck-to-toprail braces.

I got some silver solder paste and a pencil blowtorch from https://www.cupalloys.co.uk/for-model-engineers a couple of days ago and, having never tried silver soldering before, was a bit apprehensive - I needn't have worried, it's brilliant!

Tried a little test piece to get a feel for it...
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 08, 2022, 11:38:09 pm
...anyway, we got the brace made and soldered into place - just as the inspector was getting on his feet.
Guess he must have been a bit grumpy coz he made a really close inspection of the joint...
(with apologies for the out of focus shot)
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 08, 2022, 11:42:12 pm
That's about it for now - I'll tackle the remaining 3 braces when I'm able to.

Here's a couple of photos of the solder and torch. I think this will be great for future handrail/ladder work. :-))

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on April 09, 2022, 12:45:37 pm
Nice job Ray, quite satisfying when the silver solder runs into the joint, though I did wonder why you would have an inspectors visit to look at the joints, then the penny dropped,  %% %% {-)


Joe.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 09, 2022, 01:55:50 pm
I did wonder why you would have an inspectors visit to look at the joints, then the penny dropped,  %% %% {-)

Joe.


 {-) {-) {-)


Cheers Joe, that made me laugh out loud.


Aye, that solder and torch is a great help for the shaky hand.
Probably get a bit more done this evening  :-))


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Mark T on April 09, 2022, 03:56:19 pm
Really nice job Ray the boats looking great  :-))
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 09, 2022, 04:59:07 pm
Thanks Mark and it's turning out better than I thought it would.
The boat isn't perfect but I'm happier with it now than I have been for a long time - getting to feel that completion isn't so very far away now.


Ray
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: DJW on April 09, 2022, 05:08:22 pm
Hi Ray, I use the same torch for fine work, it's great for pinpoint heat. I've not used the paste, but looks like it's working well. Looks the boat will be ready soon..!


Best regards
David.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 09, 2022, 05:35:45 pm
Cheers David and yeah, the paste makes soldering much easier (for me anyway) - just apply the paste and heat the metal near the joint and it flows to create a fillet.
The instructions say don't allow the flame to touch the paste, otherwise it won't work.


Saved me a lot of frustration anyway  :-))


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 17, 2022, 11:20:03 pm
Well, that's another "easy" task that turned into a nightmare...I was chuffed to bits when I got the first 2 uprights done. Next session the torch refused to light - "must be empty" I thought - wrong. Okay then, did a bit of reading up and it seems the cheap lighter fuel tends to block the head up with some sort of contaminant. Right-oh then, lets take the head off and give it a blow through - still no joy...
Being a bit naïve I decided to try clearing it with a pin and ended up puncturing the membrane that controls the flame output - so instead of a nice blue flame I ended up with my own personal Olympic torch!

Tried to make a new membrane with silver foil - no joy.
So, the only option left was to buy a new one.

Managed to order a Dremel kit through screwfix on Thursday and picked that up on Saturday.
(I'll post a link up later)

Anyway, got stuck in with that but for some reason the solder paint just wouldn't take and after 5 more failed attempts I reverted to using ordinary solder and flux and Bingo! it's finally done.

So then, off the Jig and onto the boat - holes drilled and pulpit rail temporarily fitted for the photos then back on the jig, ready for painting. (Phew).

That's where we're at now....here's a few photos...

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: ChrisF on April 17, 2022, 11:26:10 pm
I've got that joy to come, multiple times, having bought a Proxxon torch and the solder etc. sometime ago.

Chris
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 17, 2022, 11:36:29 pm
Hi Chris, hope it all goes well for you - the dremel kit is quite good, used the blow torch and the solder tip so far - seems okay anyway.


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: derekwarner on April 18, 2022, 01:10:55 am
Ray....


A few years ago I had 2 Durotech torches [a Blue anodised pencil] [same as your  red anodised] it worked perfectly for a year then gave up the as a spluttering Ghost  <*<  so despite my expert cleaning  {-) .....it was doomed never to accept ignition or light again


Then within a week, the larger 13 month old larger hand held Durotech unit also failed [no splutter, just dead].......both from the same Electronics Distributor who diagnosed dirty fuel, and apart from that out of warranty


So stuck between the rock & the hard place I found


1. another Durotech@ $34.00 with 12 months warranty [local purchase]
2. a Benzomatic @ $54.00 with a 3 year warranty [local purchase]
3. a Proxxon @ $84.00 with a 12 month warranty [included $18.00 postage]

So you can see here, I chose the Benzomatic which provides a reliable small flame without splutter

I also have 2 larger can mounted burners which provide an excellent source of large volume heat, with the smaller diameter of the two burner suitable for silver soldering larger items  O0 

Derek
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 18, 2022, 08:32:37 am
Hiya Derek, that's quite a collection you have there and if one of them blocks up then you can still carry on with another. Not a bad idea.


I did a bit of searching on you-tube and watched a guy convert his pencil blow torch by cutting the filler end off, fitted a length of rubber tube to the body, attached the other end to a standard fitting which attaches to a camping type gas cannister and it will last for ages - no need for continuous lighting - plus he uses a vibro dish to clean the head before each soldering session.
Wish I'd seen it before I knackered mine.


Still, we live and learn.


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on April 18, 2022, 09:26:04 am
Hi Ray  The end justifys the means and the end result looks fine to me mate,  when it comes to touches ot looks like a lottery I bought one that looks like Dereks but cost me £8 on ebay that was a couple of years ago still working ok .


Joe
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on April 18, 2022, 09:40:49 am
The end justifys the means and the end result looks fine to me mate

Joe


Cheers Joe, very much appreciated mate.


For some reason I can't get the link to work but anyway, the set I've bought from Screwfix is the Dremel Veri tip - expensive but it got me out of the frustrating situation I was in.


We're not too far away from completion now  :-) .


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on May 02, 2022, 10:29:47 pm
So, here we are, 4 years, 6 months and 19 days later and...SHE's DONE!

The pulpit rail was painted with a sort of chrome although looks more silver and installed on the boat...
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on May 02, 2022, 10:32:43 pm
...fairleads and bollards added and the pesky inspector back again (this one's for Joe) {-)...
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on May 02, 2022, 10:36:31 pm
...and an attempt made to copy Joe's air-scoop design c/w Fairey logo.

Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on May 02, 2022, 10:39:11 pm
...a few more :-)
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on May 02, 2022, 10:43:47 pm
...hoping to get her maiden voyage sorted out tomorrow.

(didn't realise the decks were so dusty - that'll have to get sorted in the morning)

Just a couple more shots of her sitting on my upended wheelbarrow :-))

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on May 02, 2022, 11:04:52 pm
What can I say Ray except she's a credit to you mate,  great job on the air scoops   :-)) :-))


Joe.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on May 02, 2022, 11:13:30 pm
Cheers Joe and very much appreciated and very many thanks for all the help you have provided - especially your encouragement O0

It's been a long journey but, as you know, the satisfaction in completing the project makes it all worth while. :-))

Aye,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: DJW on May 03, 2022, 09:29:30 am
Nice result from all your hard work Ray..!  And look forward to seeing the pics of her on the water.


Best regards
David.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on May 03, 2022, 01:40:54 pm
Cheers David and actually had her on the lake this morning and found her to be nose heavy and digging the bows in when I opened the throttle.
Adjusted the ballast which brought her almost level and steerable but not able to get up on the plane.
Think I may have to go for li-po battery for the extra power?


When I get it sorted I'll update on here along with photos, maybe even a video if one of the lads are available  :-))


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: DJW on May 03, 2022, 02:52:09 pm
Hi Ray


Looking back in the thread it looks like you have a lead acid battery forward of the motors, I'd have thought moving away from lead acid would lighten the boat overall, lighten the bow in particular and allow the bow to lift a bit easier.  I think I saw an Mtronics ESC, I'm not sure all of these support LiPo batteries, depends which you have.  If it doesn't maybe a Nickel Metal Hydride 7.2V would give a few extra revs if your lead acid is 6v and be a lot lighter I'd have thought.  What spec is the lead acid..?


Best regards
David.


 
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on May 03, 2022, 04:04:22 pm
Thank you for your reply David.


The battery is 12v 3.3Ah/20hr sla
I changed that one for another sla 12v 1.2Ah, that's the only other one I had with me.


The esc is Mtronics 15amp.


I've got 7.2 nmh 3300 in the wksp - I'll give that a go next time.


Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on May 03, 2022, 05:53:05 pm
Hi Ray It took me several attempts to get the performance right on my Huntsman,  my first set up was 7.4 volt Nimh battery, an Mtronics 30 marine tio, and 35mm three blade props she ran more like a fast tug, I then change the battery to a 2s lipo although a similar voltage there was a marked improvement but still not on the plane, I then changed the props to 30mm three blade and oddly enough she was faster but still not quite right, I then changed to a 3s lipo and that did the trick well up on the plane and a lovely bank on the turns, You should be fine with a lipo battery all the Mtronics marine ESCs take any battery from 6 to 12 volts, I did fit a fan from an old PC over the ESC that cuts in with the throttle,  if all this is any help.  the 3s lipo is a 5000mah and I give up before the battery dose, :-))


Joe.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on May 03, 2022, 06:06:35 pm
Great info there Joe and will help me to 'get it right'.


If I was to go down the lipo route I would also need to buy a lipo charger etc.
I'll give Component shop a call... I'm not too concerned about the extra cost for equipment and I know I'll be building other boats that will use the lipo stuff - but that's for future anyway.


Cheers mate,


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on May 03, 2022, 07:01:55 pm
Yeah Lipo's are a bit more to think about, storage charge, remembering to charge them before taking boat for a run etc. but they do give good service and power, I've been using them for around 5 years now and have not had any issues I do keep them in a metal ammo box, NIMH batteries are fine but if you want a bit of performance lipo's are better, I've been using a Turnagy Accucell 6 since my first lipo around £60 but it charges any battery from Lipo's to PB batteries and has the storage charge settings etc.


Joe
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on May 03, 2022, 07:08:33 pm
Aye, that looks to be the way forward - once again many thanks for the info Joe  :-))


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on May 03, 2022, 07:19:49 pm
OK Ray   if there's one thing I'm good at it's spending other peoples money  :embarrassed: %% {-)


Joe
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on May 03, 2022, 08:03:21 pm
 {-) {-) {-)


Ray
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on May 05, 2022, 01:37:53 pm
Just thought Ray there's aways the 10 cell NIMH = 12 volt might give a bit more umph.


Joe.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on May 05, 2022, 02:01:46 pm
there's aways the 10 cell NIMH = 12 volt might give a bit more umph.

Joe.


This just goes to show how much I know about batteries Joe - I bought 2 of those packs, back in Oct and have yet to use them. I have been keeping them charged though.


So, next time out, I'll take those with me, along with a 7.2v 3300 pack and make the comparisons.


Edit:forgot to add, my 12v nimh packs are 2600mAh

Thanks again for the idea Joe.


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on May 10, 2022, 10:51:04 pm
Back to the lake this morning, breezy and blustering but a lovely day otherwise.

I've installed the 12v 2600mAh and it's made a big difference (thanks Joe)

It was a bit difficult to get photos with operating the Tx and the camera but did manage to get a few - and she did come up on the plane (just).

Quite happy with her now but, after watching others' performing on Lipo, I'll definitely go ahead and order up some kit and update when everything fitted and working.

So, here's the 3 shots I managed this morning...

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Backerther on May 11, 2022, 05:32:37 am
Hi Ray;
 Congratulations for your happy and successful boating of the nicely finished Huntsman.!! :-)) :-))
Especially, the first pic is really realistic on the water just in harmony with wave.
Each size of wave looks the same scale as your boat that I think makes the pic so realistic.!! :-))
Looking forward to more pics as well as nice descriptions when you should go for the boating from now on. %% :-))


By the way, I am a lipo battery fan so that I normally use lipo as my standard power supply for my cabin cruisers,
The standard lipo for me is 3S/2S 5000mAh and I normally carry 5 or so to the boating site.
From my experience, I could enjoy over 10minutes runs with each 5000MAh depending upon my style of sailing,not sooo fast..
At the longest about 15 minutes runs even that still maintained scale like speed sufficiently!! O0 

Kiyo
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on May 11, 2022, 09:07:47 am
Hi Kiyo, thank you for your kind words and I agree with you about the first photo.


You obviously go to your sailing area very well prepared - always.


I think the action shot you've put on looks great!


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on May 11, 2022, 09:35:19 am
Hi Ray   she does look grand on the water, if she planes with a 12 volt NIMH she'll fly with a Lipo, after some trials I ended up with a 3S 5000mah Lipo and I have to throttle back on turns, I was a bit dubious before getting Lipo's after hearing some horror stories, but as long as you put them in storage charge when not using them for some time they are no problem some of my Lipo's are 5 years old and are still in service, I've only had one puff up in all that time and that was down to me forgetting to put it in storage charge so I've binned one Lipo in 5 years, I've got into the habit of dealing with the lipo's after every run by putting them into storage charge up or down depending on the state of charge left in the battery, and as you probably already know don't run them too low it's worth getting a low voltage alarm to protect them, a cheap little thing that plugs onto the balance lead and reads out the total charge and the charge of each cell,  loads of them on e-bay,


Joe.



(https://www.bing.com/th?id=OIP.d4AufX4Rbx1A9UXzJTwMpAHaHa&w=146&h=146&c=8&rs=1&qlt=90&o=6&dpr=1.25&pid=3.1&rm=2)


Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on May 11, 2022, 09:56:41 am
Hiya Joe, thanks for the clarification regarding storage etc and the alarm thing.
I'll have to get down to concentrate on the pc later today and make sure to buy everything needed.


Cheers,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Backerther on May 11, 2022, 12:06:10 pm
Hi Joe;
Indeed,you have explained the characteristics of lipos to the point,haven't you !! :-))
One of my lipos (yellow) has swelled already like my belly 20years ago and will be dismissed from the service in a very near future if it should go on puffing up..!! :((
While blue one is still working very well, though much older than yellow one. %%


Kiyo


 
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Stuw on May 11, 2022, 08:05:48 pm
What a transformation from page 1! I agree she looks great on the water.  :-))


Quick question - what is storage charge? I’ve got a couple of lipos in a protective fireproof bag but as I haven’t used them yet ive charged them up to avoid low voltage...
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on May 11, 2022, 08:34:38 pm
Hi Stew  the correct storage charge is 3.8 volt per cell most Lipo chargers have a storage charge function usually about 40% , never leave a Lipo in a fully charged state for long periods.


Joe
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on June 19, 2022, 11:18:10 pm
Hi All,

Well, I've taken the plunge and bought the items I need to start moving over to LiPo batteries.

I wasn't confident enough to order via internet and so, after a couple of phone calls to Kyje and Jason at Component Shop, I've acquired what I needed. These guys really know their stuff and were really helpful in making the decisions as to what was needed.

Here's a few photos of what I got...

...and to get started I've done a balance charge on both batteries and followed that by putting them into Storage mode.

I'll update further when I get the chance to swop over wiring etc.. and get the boat back down to the lake.

Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on June 20, 2022, 09:56:56 am
Looks like you've been on a trip to "NASA" and bought back a few souvenirs  %%     yeah a bit daunting at first but you'll soon get used to them.


Joe.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on June 20, 2022, 10:12:59 am
Looks like you've been on a trip to "NASA" and bought back a few souvenirs  %%     yeah a bit daunting at first but you'll soon get used to them.


Joe.


 {-) {-)
Cheers Joe.


I was wondering about the settings for the storage amps. I set it at 1 amp but it took nearly two hours and I'm thinking it should be up to 2.2 amps - does that sound about right please?


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on June 20, 2022, 10:28:48 am
Hi Ray I do my charging and storage set at 2amps being a default setting on my charger , storage charge dose take quite a while depending the state on charge of the lipo I guess it's a slow process to avoid heat build up.


Joe
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on June 20, 2022, 10:53:44 am
Oke doke, thanks for the info Joe and hopefully I'll be able to get the boat sorted soon.  :-))


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: grasshopper on June 20, 2022, 07:54:22 pm
I was under the impression [size=78%]that with a smart charger you can do everything at the 1c rate ( or up to the battery’s limit) but the setting you tell it you want to do sorts everything else out[/size]

As it measures individual cells it knows what voltage each cell should be at at any given moment…..the other setting would be discharge rate and I leave that at the max.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on June 20, 2022, 08:44:40 pm
Hiya Grasshopper, this is where confusion comes into it. I'm still re-reading the charger instruction manual. In particular, the 'C' portion. My batteries are 35C but I don't seem to be able to understand what that means?


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: JimG on June 20, 2022, 08:56:00 pm
The C is the capacity of the battery, in your case 5000mAh (or 5Ah) Ideally this can deliver 5 amps for 1 hour although in real life the capacity will be slightly lower than this. The 35C is the maximum current that should be taken from the pack, in your case 35 X 5 = 175amps. (This would actually flatten the pack in less than 2 minutes so not a likely scenario but should not cause lasting damage to the cells although they would be very hot at the end of the run.) As long as you keep well within the maximum current you will be OK, a slightly warm pack at the end of the run is perfectly OK just let it cool down before recharging.
Jim
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on June 20, 2022, 09:04:21 pm
Hiya Jim, that's a great response from you and now it's crystal clear to me so thank you very much for your comprehensive answer.


Much appreciated.  :-))


Aye,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: grasshopper on June 20, 2022, 09:15:45 pm
And looking at the photo it says you can charge at 5c but that’s not something I would trust.


When in a hurry I’ve charged small lipos at 2c but it’s not something I’d do regularly like I would ‘old fashioned’ NiCd and NiMh cells.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on June 20, 2022, 09:29:09 pm
Thanks again Grasshopper, all noted and understood,


Next point : Forgot to include the low-voltage alarms, which I bought at the same time, in the photos.
Do these attach to the balance lead only while they're in the boat?... Or maybe during transit to and from the lake.


Just want to play safe with these things.


Aye,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on June 20, 2022, 09:34:48 pm
Hi Ray my alarms stay in the boat and the balance lead plugged to it while in use


Joe
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on June 20, 2022, 09:42:01 pm
Hiya Joe, that sounds sensible and that's what I'll do. Probably just use velcro in case I need to swop from one model to another.


Thanks for your help yet again mate  :-))


Aye,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: grasshopper on June 20, 2022, 10:27:12 pm
Don’t leave the alarms connected when you’re not using the battery…..they are a load which will continue to draw a current until the battery is completely flat…..guess how I know?
Fortunately the battery with some slow balance charging did recover..




Do the speed controllers you’re using for your boat have a Lipo low voltage cut off ? a lot of modern ones do..

Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on June 20, 2022, 11:11:04 pm
Don’t leave the alarms connected when you’re not using the battery…..they are a load which will continue to draw a current until the battery is completely flat…..guess how I know?
Fortunately the battery with some slow balance charging did recover..




Do the speed controllers you’re using for your boat have a Lipo low voltage cut off ? a lot of modern ones do..




There's a lot of perfectly valid points being made on here - and that's another one Grasshopper, so thanks once again.


Ref the ESC: I've only ever used the marine vipers - usually the 20 amp version. I can't recall any info about low voltage cut off on mine.


Aye,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on June 21, 2022, 09:06:27 am
Hi Ray  I've got Mtronics Vipers ESC's in most of my boats they work fine with Lipo's, it's easy to get bogged down with overthinking these Lipo's for me it comes down to two things 1 don't run the lipo too low hence the alarm in the boat and 2 when you get home remember to put lipo into storage IF you don't intend using it for some time, do this and you will be fine, and trust me you will hear the alarm if it goes off, personally I've never run the boat long enough for the alarm to activate I give up before the lipo does.


Joe.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on June 21, 2022, 09:11:35 am
That's sound advice Joe and I will take it on board. Thank you once again and I'm now feeling a lot more confident about it all- cheers!


Aye,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on August 19, 2022, 10:35:33 pm
Finally...managed to get around to sorting out the change over to LiPo, now just waiting for a chance to get her down to the lake (assuming the lake is clear enough of the weed) and hopefully get some proper footage :-)

Just 2 pics of the electrics for now...out with the old and in with the new. Also, I've incorporated the low level alarm which, in this case, is an in-line version, courtesy of The Component Shop.

Aye,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on August 23, 2022, 08:29:38 pm
Charged both Lipo batteries last night, ready for today - off to the lake - arrived to find the lake still weed bound  >>:-(


Oh well, back home for more D-I-Y tasks  >:-o


Currently putting batteries back in storage charge for another week.


We'll see what happens on the next visit  :(( ...


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on August 23, 2022, 09:08:27 pm
ho the dreaded weed, >>:-(   probably the only thing that still grows in a heat wave  :((


Joe.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on August 23, 2022, 09:14:51 pm
Yeah that's right Joe. We had the weed cut down in the spring but it just seems to have invigorated its growth!


Won't be surprised if it dies back when it gets too cold /wet /windy to sail.


Aye, we can only hope for some sailing days once summer is over  :-X


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: DJW on August 23, 2022, 09:26:38 pm
Evening Ray
That's frustrating to get to the lake and find the weed...  I haven't been to the lake here for a few weeks, its probably in the same condition.
Best regards
David.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on October 12, 2022, 04:20:49 pm
Hello All, managed to get the boat on the water yesterday AND got a few minutes of footage as well!

As will be seen, I had trouble dealing with the dual task of running the boat and the camera -  however, it's better than nowt :embarrassed:

... just hope it will upload without too much trouble.

Here we go then...
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on October 12, 2022, 04:23:44 pm
Well, that didn't work so...how do other users transfer their videos ?
The videos are on my laptop and run ok in Windows Quicktime

Cheers,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: DJW on October 12, 2022, 04:38:24 pm
Hi Ray


If you have a Google account, you can use YouTube, that's what I do and it's free.  Just takes a bit of getting your head around if you're not used to it...


David.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on October 12, 2022, 04:51:07 pm
Ah, ok thanks for the info David, I'll give that a try.
Cheers  :-))


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: DJW on October 12, 2022, 05:40:31 pm
OK, then it's a case of pasting the link in here using the 'Insert Hyperlink' button.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on October 12, 2022, 06:16:18 pm
Righto, here we go with another attempt...


http://https://youtu.be/_LZR5vH6ifA (https://youtu.be/_LZR5vH6ifA)


with very many thanks to DJW :-))
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on October 12, 2022, 06:30:10 pm
WhooHoo! it works. David, you're a star O0


Well, that attempt was with the LiPo 3s 3300 and I've got a second one to upload with the 5000 installed - I'll do that shortly...


There wasn't much difference between the 2 batteries really and I had to cut it short due to weed wrapped around the props. I did get the boat back to our landing stage without any issues though... :-))


Back soon...


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on October 12, 2022, 06:43:21 pm
...and so, here's the other video  :embarrassed:


https://youtu.be/v2VPs0uoZiA (https://youtu.be/v2VPs0uoZiA)




Enjoy....


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: DJW on October 12, 2022, 07:18:22 pm
Looking great on the water Ray..!


Pleased YouTube is working for you.


(https://modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2022/10/12/PSX_20221012_183312.jpg)


The 5000mAh lipos should just offer a better run time I think. Depending on how hot motors and escs are getting and only based on the sound on the video I think she'd take larger props.


Great to see her in action.
David.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on October 12, 2022, 07:35:59 pm
Thank you for your kind comments and I hadn't thought of bigger props. I'll have a look into that for sure. Cheers David  :-)


Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Stuw on October 12, 2022, 09:30:21 pm
 Glad you managed to upload the video. Looks and sounds great.  :-))
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on October 12, 2022, 09:52:13 pm
Hiya Stuw and thanks for your kind comments - always appreciated.


Yeah, she's not bad considering she's running on 2 x 540 brushed motors %%


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Mark T on October 14, 2022, 04:12:20 pm
Wow what a great video  :-))   Lovely job Ray  - I've always liked Huntsman's as they look so stable on the water.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on October 14, 2022, 04:35:01 pm
Aye you're right there Mark, she's a great boat to control - now I need to work on my camera, watching the screen means I'm not fully aware of exactly where the boat is in relation to other people's boats and, of course, the edges of the lake  :o .


Anyway, thanks for looking in mate  :-))


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: nemesis on November 03, 2022, 02:39:15 pm
hi Ray, I run them in the boat so if by any chance I run too much you will hear the racket. bill
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on November 03, 2022, 02:56:45 pm
Aye, cheers for that Bill, mine gives a split second high pitch noise when connecting the battery. I'm quite certain I'll have no difficulty hearing it if it ever goes off in continuous alarm mode  :o


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: T888 on November 03, 2022, 03:02:46 pm
Hi Ray,


Been catching up on some threads, must say she goes well and you have made a good looking model  :-))
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on November 03, 2022, 03:08:37 pm
Cheers for the compliments Dave, very much appreciated.
I've been off the forum for the last 2 weeks and, like you, I'm also running in 'catch - up' mode.  :-)


Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: radiojoe on December 16, 2022, 07:27:30 pm
Hi Ray just found your video you should be very pleased with that, I'd say she looks so natural at that speed it looks about right for the scale, well done mate.


and a merry Christmas


Joe.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on December 16, 2022, 07:55:18 pm
Many, many thanks for that Joe and I hope to have a more stabilised video of her when I get back to lake (in the Spring)


... and compliments of the season to you and yours  :-)


Aye,
Ray.
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Backerther on December 29, 2022, 10:50:08 am
Hi Ray,


I have just come across your two videos of Huntsman that ran very well at a good scale speed.  :-))
At the same time, I was so much surprised to know that you did a tremendously difficult dual task of operations of camera and boat..... :o :o :o :D {-) %%  to which I have to express the best respect. !!  O0 O0  Well done.!!  :-))


I am quite unable to do such works simultaneously... I do look forward to the next video in coming spring.?


Kiyo
Title: Re: Another Huntsman rebuild
Post by: Capt Podge on December 29, 2022, 12:22:11 pm
Hi Kiyo, glad you managed to find the video clips and thank you for your kind words.


Cheers,
Ray.