Model Boat Mayhem
Mess Deck: General Section => Model Boating => Topic started by: benidormbob on November 16, 2017, 05:32:43 pm
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Hi All, I have a Weser fire boat that I'm restoring. I would like to add some sound to it, ie sirens etc. Looked on Ebay and they only have small ones that don't do much. Looked further into it and there are kits on line around the £150 mark which to me is very expensive, Although it controls lights as well. Is there anything on the market that is easy as I'm not to good at soldering. Thank you {:-{
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Try the component shop :-))
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Hi,
I know this are not cheap and probery looked at them but considering what it does its well worth it. I got mine wired up so can swap it between models. got mine to to sound lights water pumps etc.
https://www.beier-electronic.de/modellbau/produkte/usm-rc-2/usm-rc-2.php?sprache=gb (https://www.beier-electronic.de/modellbau/produkte/usm-rc-2/usm-rc-2.php?sprache=gb)
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As Rich says try the Component Shop.
They had all sorts rigged up to try at the recent International Model Boat show.
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Thank's
looked at the component shop To pricey at £150 +
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http://www.modelsounds.co.uk/
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http://www.forge-electronics.co.uk/index.php/boats/combo-mk3
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try Bendini sound unit, I use them in my boats.
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Thank's
looked at the component shop To pricey at £150 +
By how much exactly is £79.95 more than £150?
https://www.componentshop.co.uk/p110-noisy-thing-ii-digital-sound-playback-module.html (https://www.componentshop.co.uk/p110-noisy-thing-ii-digital-sound-playback-module.html)
And it's "too" and "thanks".
Schooled in Broxtowe or Clifton?
DM
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Not schooled at either. Whats your problem ?
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My guess it's reference to the £150 Component Shop sound unit that doesn't actually exist!
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Just checked it out again and found what I'm looking for from the component shop, And yes it is £79.95 as someone has stated. I must have been looking at a different site, So I have been corrected there. Not a problem there. It is the reference to my spelling I'm not happy about and where I was schooled !
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Personally I decided against a noisy thing as it doesn't have sounds that will assimilate twin 9 cylinder diesels or any modern tug. Too many models out there don't sound authentic and no sound is better than wrong sound.
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on this thread, as I am a total numpty with electronics, is it possible to make a sound module that would imitate a twin cylinder compound steam engine with a whine of a turbine water pump that would fit in my steam lifeboat.......just wondering.
neil.
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Hi Neil,
Yes - the sound modules that play "real" sound files ( normally wav files - CD quality) would do this. However it would seem that you want to play more than one sound file at the same time which eliminates some of the candidates.
The other issues are getting the sound files in the first place that you are happy with and mounting a large enough speaker in the boat so you can here the sound from the shore!
Not sure exactly what sound a twin cylinder compound steam engine produces but may be worth a quick look here
http://www.forge-electronics.co.uk/index.php/boats/combo-mk3 (http://www.forge-electronics.co.uk/index.php/boats/combo-mk3)
Have a listen to voice 9
C-3PO
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Personally I decided against a noisy thing as it doesn't have sounds that will assimilate twin 9 cylinder diesels or any modern tug.
P110 will play two sound files simultaneously e.g. twin engines or one engine plus one other. As regards not having the right sound, it will play any recorded engine sounds stored in WAV format, so if you can obtain the right sound then it will play it back faithfully. Surely you don't expect any manufacturer to put together a library of every known type and mark of diesel engine and punt it out on a CD-ROM for a fiver? The only thing with which I do agree is that having no sound is better than the wrong one e.g. a Perkasa with three petrol engines or an audible WW2 battleship engine. There's nothing wrong with brand loyalty but putting about incorrect or incomplete information about other brands has to be challenged.
DM
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Yes I do fully expect a more comprehensive range of sound files. That is what sells sound modules
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Not a bad selection of sound files from these guys - USM RC2 will play any sound file and can play 4 sounds simultaneously
Check out the sound samples at the bottom of this web page - Note sound CD does cost 10 euro
https://www.beier-electronic.de/modellbau/produkte/usm-rc-2/usm-rc-2.php?sprache=gb (https://www.beier-electronic.de/modellbau/produkte/usm-rc-2/usm-rc-2.php?sprache=gb)
C-3PO
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Thanks guys.......................
just fancy having a sound system in my lifeboat, thud thud thudding around the lake on a calm sunny day, and having a bright spark coming and telling me that it shouldn't have a steam engine sound in it.......lol..............My life isn't full without a little bit of spoon stirring lol.
Maybe the pump will make it's own sound so a single sound from a unit would suffice.
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Does anybody remember "sounds amazing" modules? They were fantastic for the money but I'm going back probably 15+ years ago now. I think that was the name anyway, I sold a spare boxed board a few years ago with a tug hull and big bass speaker -I have one buried in a launch at the moment but it doesn't say a manufacturer on the board that I can see. The ones I have are for V8 caterpillars and they sound spot-on, I seem to remember a whole range available but not been able to find them again for searching the last few years???
Cheers,
Rich
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You're thinking of JJC sound modules. They never were very successful and disappeared from the market years ago although they still command high prices when the odd one appears on ebay
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You're thinking of JJC sound modules. They never were very successful and disappeared from the market years ago although they still command high prices when the odd one appears on ebay
Thanks RMH -JJC rings a bell. My first one never worked (just crackled but they replaced it), my second two really were the best I heard if a decent bass speaker was connected. I must admit I haven't tried anything since.
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Like these -
(http://modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2017/11/17/JJC1ea5e2138dd1d28d.jpg) (http://modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/image/mfkS)
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by coincidence, I'm currently playing with this, but sometimes you just have to pay the price.... to achieve everything, it comes at a price
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXFvrkDl7ow (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXFvrkDl7ow)
Unfortunately, I was wearing "hatcam" and forgot to tilt my head down!
mrrcsound use actual recordings of the real thing, this boat currently sounds "tinny" on the stand, as the transducers sound better when the boat is in the water, its more of an experiment at the moment
if you want cheap, just use a Bluetooth speaker that can take an sd card, and download your own tracks, but it wont be proportional.
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RST hit the nail on the as regards to speakers, unfortunately the average model boat cannot carry the proper sized speaker to get the right sound. nemesis
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You can use these instead of a speaker - attach them to the hull and effectively turn the hull into the speaker sounding box.
I have had mixed success with this approach - red181 looks like he nailed it :-))
(http://modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2017/11/17/Transducer.jpg)
and my ALL time favourite RC soundcard -the Beier USM RC2 - you have to play with one of these for a few hours to realise exactly what it can do...
(http://modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2017/11/17/USMRC2.jpg) (http://modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/image/mPru)
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if I recall at the time JJ Had a decent wattage output but allowed an 8ohm speaker rather than 4. My Sangsetia howls and resonates off an old 6" or so hi-fi speaker -you really do think there's a pair of v8 turbo caterpillars in there!!! But I've never found anything so realistic sounding for a good few years since.
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I have been collecting JJC sound modules for years and have loads of master units/amps ect , they really sound great but even with the extra JJC amp they in my opinion are not loud enough , however in my MTB i added a Maplin 40 watt amp and the result was incredible .you cannot just connect the amp to the speaker terminals on the master unit you need a small homemade circuit in between to eliminate all the dirty noise , if anyone is interested in how to do this i can forward a circuit diagram .
Dave
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Hi Dave,
I have a fascination for model sound (and light and animation). I spent some time deconstructing a JJC unit to understand how it worked - the answer is incredibly simple compared to some modern cards.
As you probably know it was based around an APlus aP8821 OTP (One Time Programmable) audio chip giving 21 seconds of audio @ 6khz which by modern standards is really low tech - maybe that's why it sounds so good(?)
(http://modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2017/11/18/aP8821.jpg) (http://modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/image/mnAK)
A simple Pic chip interfaced to the radio control receiver input and the audio was output to a Philips TDA8945S single-channel audio power amplifier with an output power of
15 W at an 8 W load and an 18 V supply. From what I understand it was the amp that was the weak point as it often overheated and died
This combination does produce a particular sound that doesn't seem to have been replicated with more modern sound devices
At some point when I have time it is my intention to see extract the audio profile from the chip and analyse it's characteristics. With modern DSP boards some really amazing sound can be produced.
I have had the board below sitting on my shelf waiting time to fire it up for model sound - I believe it will knock spots off most model sound having used it's little brother in the past
(http://modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2017/11/17/Tsunami.jpg)
All part of the fun....
C-3PO
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C-C3PO ,Very interesting keep us informed
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Dave
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straying away from op, (sorry) but some Saturday night fun whilst the wife hogs the tv with endless rubbish (the jungle thing comes back tomorrow, WoW!)
this is a simple sparkfun trigger board from technobots. (Alan Bond developed it, and made me the trigger unit as I do not have the tyeccy knowledge for that)I downloaded dialogue and music etc from the film, and using a redundant channel (left stick, up/down) as the "trigger" I can select from a dozen different tracks. I used a simple free internet download to get a constant old diesel engine sound and this plays behind the tracks.
Just for fun :}
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOO0QfESH-I
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Bought a blue tooth speaker and going to go down that route for now. Thank's for all the advice guys :}