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some might have seen the lesro Atlantic 21 hotch potch of parts for spare or repair, that sold on Ebay just before Christmas for £209.00p inc. postage and thought that the buyer must have been insane..............well, to be honest I thought the same when I pressed the buy button with three seconds to go................but with a deep intake of breath I resigned myself to the fact that I had committed myself [ some probably believe that I should be committed] to buying it and told the seller that I would do a cash transfer to my daughters ebay/paypal account on Wednesday when the banks opened............
the "spares/repair" box of "junk" that looked on the advert as though it had been dropped from about 3000 feet was opened this afternoon, and I found to my great satisfaction, joy and glee that it was, although in parts, absolutely complete......the plans, instructions and eve the small slip from Duplex models stating the blackening of some plastic was due to electrolysis discharge was still in the box. All plastic parts are there, motor prop shaft, linkages, etc..........just all there...even the original tube of glue supplied with the kit, and the small screw driver.
sadly it looks as though someone built it to an extent but could never take the plunge of joining the sponson halves together in order to finish the model, and in lying around it has suffered some damage.
I have ideas and intentions for this beauty..............so a good 200 sobs well spent.
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Looking forward to a build blog Neil
The dogs have control :D
Ned
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That was a lovey boat :-)) , I do miss the one that I had back in the 90's, I just would love to get another one some day.
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That was a lovey boat :-)) , I do miss the one that I had back in the 90's, I just would love to get another one some day.
made the mistake of selling an untouched, still in sealed plastic bags kit some years ago, and regretted it ever since..........so am going to refurbish this one with some new parts and power it with a little brushless motor eventually.
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Nice to see You found one. See needs a lot of attention and care but she is in the right hands I believe.
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/derbibo/sets/72157626968713066/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/derbibo/sets/72157626968713066/)
I have taken the pictures by myself of the RNLI - B Serie - Atlantic 21 - B-531 - "Waveney Forester" roughly about 1985 in Gorleston / Great Yarmouth.
At this time I have been a sailor and I have been visiting the RNLI Station.
Best regards from Germany
Bibo
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Wow!!!..........you didn't tell me about this one last time we spoke, Neil. you lucky boy, O0
Jim.
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I see that there is one now on Ebay along with Tractor carriage kit, they are asking £200 + £10.00 p/p
ebay number 202167685007
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I see that there is one now on Ebay along with Tractor carriage kit, they are asking £200 + £10.00 p/p
ebay number 202167685007
if it stays at that price, which I doubt, it will be the steel of the century........the tractor unit s for the D&M kits that are included with the lesro 21 kit...........but they are small 1.72 scale white metal kits..........they themselves regularly reach 20 - 30 quid individually..........as I say, a steel at that price. <:( <:( <:(
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Well done you, glad all was ok. You have a classic there and its a shame its no longer available.
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Looking forward to seeing it when it’s complete Neil
I must get mine on the water this year
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got a few to build before this one, i'm afraid. {:-{ <:(
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I know the feeling got a MBD rib to build and a Tamar and Shannon when I get my hands on one 😀
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well, after some joker who's name shall not be printed asked me if I would take an offer on the box of bits of an Atlantic 21, and then continually stalled in making an offer I decided to take a look at the kit, with thoughts of building it myself...............I WISH I HADN'T!!!.........who ever originally put it together was either blind or a monkey in training to work for peanuts. the bottom half of the sponson was not glued to the deck properly, the transom was not glued to the deck, the underdeck was not glued level to the deck, the raised seating part didn't fit the deck at all and to get even worse, the bottom sponson left gaps between the sponson and the deck with holes in the bottom of the sponson to allow water ingress.......a complete botch job......no wonder it was dumped in a shed for years..........as for the painred deck and surrounds..............it looked as though it had been applied with a stiff toothbrush............oh yeh........and the deck was 3mm too short for the access hole, lol............OH I DO LOVE A CHALLENGE!!!
So, first job was to sand off the majority of the deck orange as I don't know whether it is enamel or cellulose..........ready for strengthening the structure..........next was to glue the ridged hull onto the sponson and deck, plus re glue the transom to the deck as this was coming away from the deck.........and finally before I start cutting out the w/t sectioning for the sponson supports I decided to run a fillet of silicon rubber between the deck and the sponson bottom half to give total waterproof barrier and more support.....let the rebuild begin. I made the joint between the latter using the tail end of a small teaspoon.......i'll clean off the residue once it has all cured.
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referring to the last post and in continuum for photos I cut and trimmed the internal "bulkheads" for joining and supporting the top and bottom halves of the sponsons. however over the years the bottom sponson half has "collapsed" outwards a little and so along the long length of the structure I have cut 2 more bulkhead strengtheners in addition to those 8 supplied. they are held in place using masking tape.
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The "bulkheads" have been reinforced with buttresses fore and aft and I have started to add a reinforcing strip on the insides of the lower sponson as the only lip on the upper sponson to join both together is about 2.5mm in depth.......not enough for me......I like building mine strongly, lol.
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Looks great Neil
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thanks Adam.............anything would look better than how it did when I opened the box.......
the kit was a beautiful little thing when released......had an untouched one some years ago, and although the instructions need a little reading and digesting, they are quite adequate for building without being overpowering and waffling..................and as long as one cut the plasticard with a sharp knife..........TO THE LINES printed.............there is no problem..............but whoever had this kit either had delirious tremens or couldn't use a knife to save his life..........hope he wasn't a surgeon, {-) {-) {-) .....gawd help the patient if he was. %% {:-{ <:(
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Yeah, what motor are you going to be running in it?
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got a few to build before this one, i'm afraid. {:-{ <:(
erm did I misread this that someone wasn't going to start building this model yet ? lol :P :P :P O0 O0
Mick F
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Yeah, what motor are you going to be running in it?
a little brushless outrunner, adam.
well...........the workshop is full of steam lifeboat, moulds and plugs, and heaters that just can't cope with this extraordinary weather..........so I was having withdrawal symptoms from building, so I thought I could build this sitting on the sofa watching TV........and going together reasonably well.......but it was a very good kit in its day.
the supportive strip to help join the two halves of the sponsons has been added and the top half was dry fitted.......it actually went together very well with no adjustment, surprise surprise!!........so, using some plumbers hard plastic glue for this one I ran a seam of it right round the lip of the moulding, applied it to the bottom half and taped it up...........gone has the fragility of the thing when I first started this morning ant it's now looking like a worthwhile contestant for entry into my collection of lifeboats.........and all in the warmth of my back TV room, overlooking a very cold and snowless garden..............still bl***y cold though, lol.
and that's about it on the hull for tonight......wait till it all sets firmly.
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using a little modellers licence..........no rivet counters here...........
I stripped the paint off the deck and then removed the old uprights for the seat which was originally a vac formed unit, as the original builder had made the hole in the deck too large. on removing the vac formed seat the rest of the forming fell off from lac of spittle.........won't use the term glue anymore as i'm convinced there wasn't any in the build, {-) %%
I trimmed back to the size of the hole in the deck which made the new structure a total of 5mm wider, and 2mm longer in total.............but it gives these old arthritic fingers of mine easier access to the under deck without need to remove the deck...
but there in lies another tale.........I have decided to use a Vaseline bond between the outer and inner deck to hold in place, rather than the 39 tiny screws that originally held the inner deck and seating control pod in place, wit possibility of just 6 screws in th corners and mid deck to hold it..........the screw holes that are there will be masked with dummy bolt heads.
then I made the seat pod to slip over the permanent structure to give quick access to the motor/servo/receiver section..
I am also thinking of shortening the prop shaft/tube to give more space in the hull for electrics/batteries etc.
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the seating and console has been put onto the "superstructure", ad the transom extension and the bracket plate for the outboards has been restored with scrap plastic..............all will be sanded smooth tomorrow once the glue has set.
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The brackets for the outboards were completely kaput [for want of a more polite word], with moulding missing and cracks across the holes supporting the outboards, so clearly I had to strengthen and rebuild them so that they can support "working" as in steering outboards............this I have done with 0.5mm plasticard, all round.
this will mean enlarging the recesses in the actual outboard motors to take the now thicker bracket lugs, but hardly seen when the boat is in the water.......... the brackets now just need to be sanded and then filled to make good.............just undecided whether to use polyester filler or milliput white for this.........
but two days in to the restoration and I'm enjoying it more than I thought, as I normally hate trying to rectify or restore or even alter a model that someone else has built.
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Neil,
So glad you are enjoying that 're-furb' upgrade build! It's looking good - what else would we expect?
I have put my one to one side at the moment [my plastic looks a lot more brittle than yours] - along with the Trent, Arun, Mersey and Solent, as I am too busy 'rivet counting' on the Shannon at the moment!! Like you, enjoying what I am doing though, and that is the key element!
Kim
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it's the small pieces of work that tend to make the difference.........
the outboard brackets have been sanded down now, and all the seams of jointing on the rib have been filled with polyested filler................and its amazing just how taught and without anymore squeaks or groans the whole structure now is.....very tight indeed.....................just the sanding down now to get it looking into a decent state.............
I am now getting to the point where I have to decide whether to finish her off as the original Atlantic, without the rear mast or as per norm and seen on every other Atlantic 21 with mast and self righting bag on the platform..........this isn't a decision for ease of building but one because I like building unusual boats from unusual prototypes...........this I shall have to ponder over the next few days.
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Neil,
So glad you are enjoying that 're-furb' upgrade build! It's looking good - what else would we expect?
I have put my one to one side at the moment [my plastic looks a lot more brittle than yours] - along with the Trent, Arun, Mersey and Solent, as I am too busy 'rivet counting' on the Shannon at the moment!! Like you, enjoying what I am doing though, and that is the key element!
Kim
it certainly is Kim.................if you don't enjoy what you do, then there's no point in doing this hobby, because it can be laborious at timesand become a pain if a drudge.........but I am enjoying bringing back to life something that was so trashed when originally cut and partly built that had someone not done so, it would have probably been scrapped and binned.....and that is why I'm enjoying it.........there are parts incorrect, and a little out of scale but I wanted to use as much of the original as I could.............and at the end of the day.............if others feel I've done wrong by not sticking to absolute scale............raspberries to them, lol
had it been a scratch build or an untouched kit from the box, it would have been right, but it was a pile of junk, so I don't feel so bad............and at least it might give inspiration to others who have bought something that has been messed around with.................they can end up with something presentable and to be proud of.
I have built many kits straight from the box over the years for reviews in model boats, and marine modelling and their derivatives, and none has been totally perfect, but as a scratch modeller moreso, I have learned to adapt and overcome[in the immortal words of Clint Eastwood in Heartbreak Ridge] and this has given me good grounding for this and other kits in the future.
neil.
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The outboard brackets have been filled, sanded and glued onto the transom ready for the dummy motors to be glued together, but before do that I think i'm going to mould one for future use......can make some rubber moulds and cast in polyurethane resin.
And they were also drilled for taking the locating pin for the outboards, plus at the advice of a friend on facebook, Richard Hale, I will be putting brass inserts into the plastic brackets to save wear and tear on the from the continual movement of the outboard motors which will be used for steering the boat.
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That was a lovey model in its day and you are doing a great job on this one.
The one that I made had eight sub "C" sells in two packs of four and a Bob's board, had a lot of fun sailing her.
Just wish I had it now {:-{
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That was a lovey model in its day and you are doing a great job on this one.
The one that I made had eight sub "C" sells in two packs of four and a Bob's board, had a lot of fun sailing her.
Just wish I had it now {:-{
this is the 3rd one that I have owned Fred, the other two were one incomplete bought from a charity shop for a fiver and the other one still in plastic bags and in a pristine box that I bought from ebay before prices started skyrocketing...............and this is the only one I have ever worked on..the other two went to a guy in sussex who wanted one when I was hard up, lol
but I am really enjoying resurrecting it, and look forward to getting it on the water........going to put a little brushless outrunner into it eventually.
thanks for the encouragement.
Neil.
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Neil that boat looks great and even nicer as its so unusual. I can't wait to see it with the motors on a a nice coat of paint. Its one of those boats that looks quick while standing still. Keep the updates coming :-)
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thanks mark..............its on a rest day today till later, lol.
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done a bit more detailing to the centre consol area.....cut in the foot well for the rear crew members, the bracket for the throttles, access panels on the fore port side, the echo sounder body and the face for the consol controls, plus the brackets for the rear towing drum, plus the spare propeller bags onto the sponsons.
plus I had a quick, but very nice guided tour of the cabin of the RNLB Barbara Ann, 13-24 St Annes new Shannon by the coxs'n yesterday morning..........they even laid out the carpet.........not a red one though, and not for me <:( lol.
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That is looking good Neil, and so much detail you are putting into it, [size=78%]just wish some one would take up the mantel and sort out a new kit..[/size]
[/size][size=78%]Keep up the good work, looking forward to your updates.[/size]
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That is looking good Neil, and so much detail you are putting into it, [size=78%]just wish some one would take up the mantel and sort out a new kit..[/size]
[size=78%]Keep up the good work, looking forward to your updates.[/size]
I wish so too, Fred, and then we wouldn't have to pay ridiculous prices for half full kits like this one, <:(
anyway, added a few more little bits to it..........the R/T back plate,cover and facia of R/T have been added with facia detailing to come and fitted to the back of the helmsman's chair......plus the hand held transmitter, extending wire made from fuse wire, plus the engine control throttles.....ever bit of scratch detailing makes for a more interesting model and a bit more individuality.
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a request to anyone with an unbuilt/built but intact model of the Atlantic...........does anyone have the 3 crewmen that I could borrow to make moulds of so I can crew my boat with, and then return them....thanks.
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I will check my contents Neil,Im almost sure I have them,and of course you will be welcome to borrow them if I have
Mick F
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a request to anyone with an unbuilt/built but intact model of the Atlantic...........does anyone have the 3 crewmen that I could borrow to make moulds of so I can crew my boat with, and then return them....thanks.
Thanks mick but I have now been offered a crew from Ryan on r/c lifeboat enthusiasts but many thanks for the offer matey. cheers neil.
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Thanks mick but I have now been offered a crew from Ryan on r/c lifeboat enthusiasts but many thanks for the offer matey. cheers neil.
update on that..............Chris Warrilow messaged me so say that a crew for the rib is already for sale from DK figures, which saves a lot of time making moulds, buying resin and then moulding..............thanks to all for their help.
http://www.dkfigures.co.uk/figure/rnli-rib-crew/
neil,
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well.........absolutely flabbergasted.........came to make the back plates for the hand straps for the sponsons, and the 0.25mm thick plasticard needed just wasn't included in the kit all those years ago, so had to raid my own stocks............nor was the thin wall plastic tube that I needed to cut slices from to make the handles......bummer........so had to find a firework rocket tube to do the job.....but after a bit of improvisation I was able to cut the parts and apply them to the boat.
also attached the bracing to the transom for the outboards, the sea anchor and rope throwing line storage......don't know what I would have had to do if these had been lost.............a momentary scratching of head would have been taken, lol.
if you don't look too closely as she wizzes by at a great rate of knots, you won't see the discrepancy in heights of some of them, by about 0.5mm.........but then as I am always saying.................its good to realise my own fallibility., lol......
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from this angle you can see the grab handles a little better.
just waiting now for some 4.8mm [ or was it 5mm.....can't remember now] plastic tube to come for the rear structure for the self righting bag, nav lights, radar deflector and main mast carrying the blue flashing lamp......hope it will arrive tomorrow.then I can get cracking on the next major part of the reconstruction.
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And finally for tonight I I added the inflation and deflation valves to the sponsons, the bow fairlead and the foot straps for the crew.........the old ugly duckling is beginning to blossom into a beautiful swan.
I have to say, I have really enjoyed this little build.........something I should have done years ago when I had the untouched kit.
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MEN BEWARE!!!!!!! READ YOUR INSTRUCTIONS!!!!!
I spent an hour or more searching yesterday for the white firework tubing to make the loops for the grab handles for the rib, when all the time, they were in front of me in the kit, supplied in a vac form, which I had looked at a dozen or more times thinking that they were battery trays....................Bah humbug..........that'll teach me...........the plastic was even marked in the correct width of strap..................luckily I got that right at a guess.
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I am coming close now to the last 25% of the build and have been amazed at how comprehensive the kit has been and would have been had all the parts been there and not lost over the period of time that it lay unwanted........in fact very few parts were missing and those that were can be fabricated easily. the only major parts are the structure for the rear flotation bag "mast" and the flotation bag itself, which will be fabricated from some milliput, plastic tubing that I am waiting fore and scraps of plasticard that are offcuts from the main kit vac formings.
The level of detailing on this kit is amazing, and after fabricating the rear mast, I just have to make the facias for the main controls, the rear "compartment radio transmitter facia, and then install the prop shaft..............oh yes and reconstruct and repaint the outboards after I have made a mould for replicating them..............you never know when one might drop off, knowing my building. lol.
and then it'll be to the paint shop.......my workshop for spraying.. below are some shots of the detailing including the brackets on the outer transom wall to take the legs of the mast, and all the other detailing...
first shot is however, a strip of angled plastic to clean up the meeting of the deck and the silicon rubber seal under the sponson.......glued in place for a little neatness, and the best I can do after what I had been left with by a previous builder...........looks ok from 10 paces though, {:-{
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and if you haven't got one of these in your tool box, it's invaluable..........probably now costing about 7 quid......inflation from when I bought mine 15 years ago at £3.35....a compass cutter..............cuts plasticard, paper, lithoplate and makes nice little circles for anything you desire...........don't use it often, but when I do, perfect for the job. :-)) O0
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this would look perfect on the back of that https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Graupner-820-Brushless-RC-Boat-F1-Outboard-New-Boxed-Tunnel-Hull-Model-Boat/263531040408?hash=item3d5bac8e98:g:ENkAAOSwKp1aoSbK (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Graupner-820-Brushless-RC-Boat-F1-Outboard-New-Boxed-Tunnel-Hull-Model-Boat/263531040408?hash=item3d5bac8e98:g:ENkAAOSwKp1aoSbK)
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this would look perfect on the back of that https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Graupner-820-Brushless-RC-Boat-F1-Outboard-New-Boxed-Tunnel-Hull-Model-Boat/263531040408?hash=item3d5bac8e98:g:ENkAAOSwKp1aoSbK (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Graupner-820-Brushless-RC-Boat-F1-Outboard-New-Boxed-Tunnel-Hull-Model-Boat/263531040408?hash=item3d5bac8e98:g:ENkAAOSwKp1aoSbK)
thanks Paul, but not at £150 quid for the two, lol.
anyway as I moaned earlier in chitchat about the plastic rod that hasn't arrived, I thought I'd make a jig for bending it when it finally does arrive, so made one this afternoon from ply...........it certainly didn't work using a hairdryer to warm the plastic, nor when I reheated and straightened it out did it work using boiling water to heat it up.........I ended up with flatspots on the bends. So I'll wait for a windy day and then go and relieve Fleetwood beach of some fine wind blow sand,pack the tube with it and then reheat and make a third attempt!
in the mean time I decided to crash on and make a couple of mould boxes for the outboard motor in the eventuality that one might always defy the laws of "it wont happen to me" and fall off the boat at some stage.
I removed the outboard signage, stuck it onto some plasticard and can photocopy to go on the refurbished outboards.
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now!!......back to the rear framework, or as they call it in the instructions."rollbar"..........I have always got better results by using brass tube, and at bigada's recommendation this evening I went to B&Q and bought the last two small bore brass tube at 4mm and 5.5mm x 1mtre length, for £5.95 a tube.....cheaper as well than K&S tubing....... I have used the 4mm tube, annealed it on the gass cooker bent it and cut to length, and ready tomorrow for the cross members cutting and then silver soldering. I prefer silver solder to soft soldering as it is much stronger, and after a little practice with the torch and liquid flux, far easier than soft soldering also.....
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So whats the procedure with the moulds then Neil? I suppose the outboard parts are only slightly pushed down into the plasticene base,to hold them in place,and then you pour liguid rubber into the mould and let it set?
Then do you seperate the rubber,and pour resin into that?
If thats so wont they be on the heavy side,or have I got the procedure wrong?
All looking good though
Mick F
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So whats the procedure with the moulds then Neil? I suppose the outboard parts are only slightly pushed down into the plasticene base,to hold them in place,and then you pour liguid rubber into the mould and let it set?
Then do you seperate the rubber,and pour resin into that?
If thats so wont they be on the heavy side,or have I got the procedure wrong?
All looking good though
Mick F
hi mick.........yes, rubber poured into the box to cover the outboards.............but because the halves are hollow and contain detailing allowing a rod to be passed down the centre locking the finished motor onto the bracket...........the plastecine is then removed, vasceline layered onto the rubber mould surrounding the half motor to act as a release agent, and then the second half of the mould is laid in..........giving a perfect impression of each half.............simples...........even a halfwit like me can do it, without a 3D printer, lol............I did actually make a mould for this once but I think it went with all the Clyde moulds to dave Metcalf, and eventually with the vac formed tooling of the Dclass to andy grigg at models by design, but he says he hasn't got them........ %% {:-{ :(( >:-o
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tell you what though, it's only been a week or so since I started this resurrection......because I couldn't sell it, and the more I look at it................I'm b*****y glad it didn't sell, as I am loving the build, the transformation from a box of junk.................and looking forward to sailing it at Blackpool.........and I'm going to keep it too......it really is [as my daughter called it the other night] CUTE, lol. :-)) ok2 :kiss:
mind you................never had one of my models called CUTE before..............beginning to worry, lol {-) {-)
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by gum, young man...........cute or not, that is beginning to look very nice indeed.......
What a transformation!
Jim.
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frames were jigged up and held by my "extra hands" clamps, placed on my portable brazing "hearth", cross members cut to length, and the torch lit........got my silver solder and flux powder ready.......and happily soldered away.......prefer silver soldering to soft solder.......much greater strength in it.
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the legs have been cut to length now and the support legs to the front uprights have also been silver soldered in place, and deck drilled to take the uprights........now on to the airbag platform. this will be fabricated in plasticard.
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I do my most innovative work, after a good strong beer...........not the neatest, I grant you, but a little filler and some abrasive paper always sorts that out, lol..........the airbag platform has been fabricated, and needs cleaning up....the airbag itself will be fabricated from milliput.
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[/size][/color]the nav light boxes have also been added to the platform
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I do my most innovative work, after a good strong beer...........not the neatest, I grant you, but a little filler and some abrasive paper always sorts that out, lol..........the airbag platform has been fabricated, and needs cleaning up....the airbag itself will be fabricated from milliput.
the nav light boxes have also been added to the platform
but even better, is work done first thing in the morning when one can concentrate and think clearly after a good night sleep.....the mast and "roll bar" has been fabricated and the air bag have been added, the air bag has been moulded from white milliput and "creased" to simulate folds and ripples in the bag. it should be removable from the plastic plate underneath, and then I will ream out some of the cured milliput to lighten it up a little.
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Just tidying up little missing bits now before I take it into the spray booth, and made the radar defector tonight, but I am still a small fitting missing from the kit.........the steering wheel...........I need a 3 spoke wheel around 20mm diameter........looked on line but can't find one anywhere.
and then, I have a problem with preference.......because of the extra weight on the stern because I used brass and milliput for the roll over bars and the air bag I would like to put the batteries further forward than aft or on the sides of the prop shaft...........but if I were to do so, I would need to shorten the prop tube and shaft.........that's no problem, but just wondering..........I really need to get it in the test tank, but then I would need to seal the broken skeg and hole in it before hand..............what are the consensus of opinion please.
also, instead of running it on the 585 that was supplied I want to run on a brushless.........but not having a clue, can anyone suggest what set up I would need, motor esc, batteries etc. thanks.
of the two pics of the prop shaft/tube......which position should I use..........what preferences are there. thanks
neil.
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Can't suggest a motor as I am still thinking about that one myself but for the battery I was going to go with what is suggested in the instructions and have a split pack with three batteries on each side of the boat. NiMh I think would be better than lipo's as taking them out for charging might be a bit of a pain.
https://www.componentshop.co.uk/7-2v-3700mah-sc-nimh-split-battery-pack.html (https://www.componentshop.co.uk/7-2v-3700mah-sc-nimh-split-battery-pack.html)
Richie
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Can't suggest a motor as I am still thinking about that one myself but for the battery I was going to go with what is suggested in the instructions and have a split pack with three batteries on each side of the boat. NiMh I think would be better than lipo's as taking them out for charging might be a bit of a pain.
https://www.componentshop.co.uk/7-2v-3700mah-sc-nimh-split-battery-pack.html (https://www.componentshop.co.uk/7-2v-3700mah-sc-nimh-split-battery-pack.html)
Richie
thanks Richie.........would nimh's power a brushless motor ok..........a small brushless is what I am thinking, as I am not into flying machines that I can't handle...........I'm used to the old steady sedate 8 knot classic lifeboats, lol.
thanks for your info and help.
neil.
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G'day Neil,
I'm a long way away in Aus, but I do a range of handwheels in my range of stuff from 1/8" diam to 20mm x 4 spoke in flat pattern in utrethane, but also have a 19mm 3 spoke Depressed centre wheel in whitemetal. I'll get an image or two up later. I also do some nice brass wheels, but due to a lack of demand, don't have stock at present.
Postage would be more than the wheel cost, unfortunately!
If you want to check out my wheels at www.ianlindsaymodels.com and go to Miscellaneous page.
I also do a heap of larger scale model boat stuff, but it's not listed anywhere, more's the pity.
Ian.
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Below are an image of the 19mm x 3 spoke Depressed centre wheel in whitemetal, and also the 20mm x 4 spoke flat wheel which are supplied in urethane.
Also image of the brass depressed centre wheels, with the 19mm x 3 spoke on the left.
Ian
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Below are an image of the 19mm x 3 spoke Depressed centre wheel in whitemetal, and also the 20mm x 4 spoke flat wheel which are supplied in urethane.
Also image of the brass depressed centre wheels, with the 19mm x 3 spoke on the left.
Ian
Ian......that top 3 spoked wheel at 19mm is EXACTLY what I want......could you please give me a price including postage to here in the uk, and can I pay you via paypal.........if so, could you pm me your details and i'll send my address.
thanks. neil.
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G'day Neil,
That's the only one I can find at the moment, but can always spin some more. Since I stopped supplying a lot of model boat stuff to Canada years ago, it all sort of fell flat!
I'll check out the post tomorrow and get back to you with a price.
Ian.
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Hi Neil,
I have an identical wheel in plastic that
you can have foc.
PM me your addy an I'll pop it in the post.
Ned
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Hi Neil,
I have an identical wheel in plastic that
you can have foc.
PM me your addy an I'll pop it in the post
Ned
thank you ned, i'll take it please if that is ok, and thank you very very much for your kind offer ian, from the other side of the world, but I think it will be easier and quicker from ned.
again thank you both, and I'll send you my address now ned.
neil.
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pm sent ned. thank you both.
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Popped in the post :-))
Ned
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Popped in the post :-))
Ned
thank you very much Ned, you are a star.
Neil.
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Now commeth the time to start thinking of fitting the innards .....one of my problems is the weight of the aft roll bars and air bag and so I am going to put my batteries as far forward as possible to counter the weight back stern. as such, I needed to re position the motor aft somewhat. to do this I had to shorten the prop shaft and tube.
I finally found my vice under more stored junk and got to work, shortening by about 100mm. instead of re tapping the shaft, I filed a flat onto it.......not as though I don't have any spare couplings.
Then it was time to take out the shaft support from the original position.........luckily it had been glued in , in the same way as the original kit had been built..4 spots of glue one in each corner, and not plastic glue either, lol.....it pinged off easily, and positioning the shaft/tube with propeller fitted so that it doesn't hit the underside of the boat was easy enough using the shaft support temporarily I used 2 part epoxy to glue. once it has set and cured I will surround it with some milliput to make secure and seal in position. some might question my wisdom at shortening the shaft because of ingress of water in a short shaft/tube, but the proof is in the "pudding" in that all my classic lifeboats have short tubes and exposed shafts f very similar to what I have just fitted, and with a mixture of Vaseline and carbon powder mixed in, I have never had any leaks through my short tubes ever.
and finally I bought these nihm batteries to power my Flying Christine ambulance launch a few years ago and never really sailed the boat, and so I am now charging them as they haven't been used in yonks, separate them as they are wired in parallel and then see if one fits in the bow to power a small brushless.
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well, it was exactly two weeks ago today [this lunchtime to be precise] that I started to resurrect this box of bits, and I thought that I would have to fabricate a lot more than I have done, and contrary to what I said about wishing I hadn't done, I have actually really enjoyed it very much. the prop tube has now been set in milliput and the tube support has been added, and so should be no vibration from the brushless motor revving its nuts off......
I have put it on the radiator to set it off a little quicker, and hopefully tonight I can put it in the bath.......errr I mean test tank with the roll bar on, and control/seating centre to see about weight distribution
Fonts fixed
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How much it might have taken me to draw n time and then take along to the 3Dprint shop, god only knows, but my little servo retaining box for the steering links, took me 35minutes and some scraps of 2.5mm plasticard to make and fit into the stern over prop tube.....
it was glued in place using both plastic weld and silicon [in different places I might add, and access to it is easy for removal of the main deck if needed. silicon added to glue to the prop shaft
And the supports underneath raise it to the correct level for linking up to the steering rods from the outboards.The slot in the front is for the lead to the receiver.
Good access to the servo from the seat access hole.
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Ned,
your wheel arrived this afternoon in the post, safe and sound and absolutely perfect for what I want.....many thanks again mate.
neil.
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Forgot the indicator stalk :D :D
Ned
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Forgot the indicator stalk :D :D
Ned
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you old wag..............but it got me thinking for a mo.............did you rob it from a ford mustang model then, lol..........its just the job mate.thanks.
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remember the mould boxes for outboard motors...............well the first half of each mould was laid a little while ago..........., so should be ready this afternoon for the second half of each to be set into the boxes
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well.......it was sixteen days and two hours exactly from start of this resurrection to fixing in principal, the last of the parts of this lifeboat.......and it has been very enjoyable too.....this lunch time I made a jig, drilled the holes and dry fitted the grab lines to the side of the hull. just a case of now stripping it down, painting all of the parts and then buying and fitting a motor, esc and servo links to the outboards, and off she'll go........
I'll wait a week or so for the weather to warm up a little and for my workshop heaters to gain on the colder weather to spray the old girl........so, until it's all painted, this is probably my last post on this, unless any questions about moulding, etc, and on to my next project/s
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someone asked me whether it is easy to mould fittings from ones they have made, and I said.....very easy, and very gratifying and satisfying......I made this set of moulds for one of my cracked outboards on the Atlantic 2, and as it is going to be used for steering the boat I didn't want to have it break on me.
if any one wants a step by step low down on my methods of making moulds......just look on any of my build threads, as it gives them and the materials i use, but just a few shots of getting a mould box ready and moulding an object.
the Vaseline is used as a release agent between the two layers of rubber..........imperative if you want the two halves to separate and far cheaper than spray on release agent.
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I had, when I said earlier that I had finished the build other than painting the boat, it wasn't quite true...
big blunder...i had forgotten to glue the outboards back together and fit them temporarily to the brackets on the transom........anyway that has been corrected but I've found that one outboard doesn't line up with the other in the vertical plain, and so, as it's even noticeable to my eye, it'll stand out like a sore thumb to others, and so am going to remove the bracket and trim it so that both outboards sit the same.
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slight adjustment to the base of the bracket to move the top out by 3/32" by using a tapered wedge of pasticard and both outboards now line up fine and dandy.
the joys of building in plasticard medium......so easy to correct my mistakes.
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managed to take a few shots of the finished building of the boat...............just before our sojourn to the Clyde today.......this is before I start painting it....quite pleased with it......just looking forward to getting some paint on it.
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been tidying and getting rid of rubbish in my workshop to make way for my new double build, I am having to get the spraying of my little lifeboat done in earnest and so have drafted in more heaters to get the place warm.......but the paint from Halfords rattle cans seems to be going on ok with no orange peeling......leave it for a couple of hours and then spray the hull, before masking it off for the grey.
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Looking good Neil :-)) I used that colour orange on my last build. I found it took loads of coats to get the true colour but once done it looks great.
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Looking good Neil :-)) I used that colour orange on my last build. I found it took loads of coats to get the true colour but once done it looks great.
can's nearly empty but almost there now mark...............given it a couple more coats since those shots were taken.
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the boat orange has gone on ok, and now is masked up ready for the grey to go onto the sponsons, after I put one last light spray of orang onto the meeting of the hull and the masking tape to seal any under cut or seepage of paint under the tape.
the orange ovals on the sponsons have been masked off to allow the sponsons to be painted grey.........once painted, the masking tape will be removed to reveal the orange on which the lettering and number will be put on........well, that's the theory.
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forgot to take photos of the grey primer to colour the main sponsons that were left showing after the orange coat, and then masked up the whole of the sponsons just leaving the belting and overlay jointing materials used to stick the buoyancy tubes together....these were left unmasked, and then sprayed satin black..........I'll give them another coat once dry after the grand prix and then let dry before removing all the masking tape to reveal the mess underneath %% {:-{
once the masking tape has been removed I'll paint by hand the fittings fixed to the sponsons.....some photos show them black, others darker grey than the main colour
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I took the masking tape off this evening and sadly there has been a little seepage of the black, simply because I forgot to overspray with grey first to block any under the masking tape,and also, more annoying the masking tape lifted some of the orange on the band that takes the boat number, so am going to hand paint that area with a soft brush and some enamel Volkswagen brilliant orange that I bought some time ago, and apart from touching up here n there, it's not to bad.............not spectacular, but not to bad just the same.
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Neil you should have bought a roll of 3M fine line masking tape spraying another colour before the final colour is a load of pants.
I keep banging on about using 3M fine line and it goes on deaf ears
Dave
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Neil you should have bought a roll of 3M fine line masking tape spraying another colour before the final colour is a load of pants.
I keep banging on about using 3M fine line and it goes on deaf ears
Dave
I shall take your advice in future dave, but where do I buy it from.
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Ebay just type in 3M fine line tape
Dave
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cheers mate.............is it better than duck low tac tape.
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So Neil says....."is it better than duck low tac tape"........does he speak from experience?
Maybe that's what our disgraced OZ Cricket Team should have used >>:-(
Derek
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So Neil says....."is it better than duck low tac tape"........does he speak from experience?
Maybe that's what our disgraced OZ Cricket Team should have used >>:-(
Derek
sssssshhhhhhhh!!! don't tell Peter Fitness........he might not have heard yet..... {-) {-) {-)
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Maybe that's what our disgraced OZ Cricket Team should have used >>:-(
Derek
anyway...........I don't see what all the fuss is about............how d'ya think the Yanks kept hold of the "America'sCup" for so many years, changing the rules every time the poms won a race, until the ozzies won it off them after a 130 years or so...........they were better cheats than the yanks were, lol......all in favour of it, {-) {-) {-) {-) O0 O0 :-))
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I should rectify that question for Stavros............its not duck tape.................it's frog tape.......usually never have any problem with it.
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been a while since I posted on this thread, as I had almost completed the model, but just a few fiddly bits and pieces to do, including fitting a servo and links to the dummy outboards which are usually used to steer the boat.
the other day I was sat on my backside with my leg hurting, feeling sorry for myself that I couldn't get out to the garage to continue my build of the two Shannon's and so decided to resurrect the Atlantic 21and complete it with a view to sell it as a completed boat. after all if a wreck which it was can fetch £217 quid on ebay, and a total mongrel of a 21 hull can fetch nearly £120 quid on its own a few weeks ago, I'm sure a decent restoration will sel.
and so, from the warmth of my rear lounge I set too, a few days ago and virtually finished it off. it now just needs me to cast a couple of navigation lamps as they are missing, and paint the name boards and name the boat and label it with the usual...….she will become B-525 SPIX'S MACAW, Blackpool's first 21, and she was a relief boat, to see if a 21 was suitable for Blackpool's use.
I doubt whether I will ever use her as Fleetwood lake needs a summer like this years to get a decent flat lake, and so, once finished later this coming week I shall decide what to do with her.
but it has been a lovely experience rescuing a piece of basic scrap, with parts missing and using modellers licence to get over some of the big problems a bit of junk posed to get it back to reasonable finish, and I have enjoyed it., and it's one more very rare Duplex/Lesro Atlantic 21 that has cheated the refuge truck.
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That 21's looking REALLY good, super work there. :-))
I wish mine looked that good, but it's never had any paint on it so far, despite being 'built' 15 yrs ago! I better get on with it, or its mate which is still in the box.............. ok2
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thanks kits, much appreciated comments.
cheers,
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Steering wheel looks the part Neil :-)) :o
The rest ain't bad either :-))
Ned
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Steering wheel looks the part Neil :-)) :o
The rest ain't bad either :-))
Ned
{-) {-) O0 O0 cheers mate...…….it does too...…..here's the finished job complete with name and everything else to complete.
god knows where it got the name of a blue green parrot from though, %% %%
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Fantastic looking boat Neil :-))
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thanks matey...…...I enjoyed resurrecting it......was a little challenge n got the grey matter working.
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god knows where it got the name of a blue green parrot from though,
Green Parrot was Admirals Barge back in my days in the Andrew.
No connection there methinks. :embarrassed:
Ned[/size]
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28 watchers on flea bay! Im not one btw, I hate watchers who never bid on sales they are 'watching.' JMHO.
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I did see / hear rumours of a new kit at Warwick show last week!
Can't remember who or where off hand, I'll have another scan through my photos and post.
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https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,62059.msg654012.html#msg654012 (https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,62059.msg654012.html#msg654012)
OK, so as promised on my post over the weekend pics below of the Atlantic rib mouldings;
40 sets available only.
£45.00 per set inc postage
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It was on the SLEC stand Martin - due out next year I think.
Colin
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It was on the SLEC stand Martin - due out next year I think.
Colin
Yep. Thanks Colin. O0
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28 watchers on flea bay! Im not one btw, I hate watchers who never bid on sales they are 'watching.' JMHO.
it's had 3 offers made on it too, but one just too low by a few quid to buy it.
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those by Atlantic Mouldings are a clone of the lesro/duplex boat, and seeing as SLEC has procured the full set including all fittings I wonder whether Atlantic have actually permission to sell those they have produced.
it would seem strange for Lesro to have given permission for two different companies to produce the same, seeing as only 2 years ago Lesro said they had absolutely no ambition to have the model resurrected.
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it's had 3 offers made on it too, but one just too low by a few quid to buy it.
Sometimes you're best waiting for the 'sell it for £1 or maximum £3' promo on big ticket sales. That way you can accept lower offers than you'd normally sell for plus, avoid fleabays 10% snatch! Ive done a couple like this, sold a TRex 700 heli for £600 and only paid a quid in fees. I'd have needed to sell at over £660 otherwise which was going to be hard to achieve. Best of luck with the sale though.
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Just for everyones information these hulls were purchased from a disposal sale not something i have copyied.
However as this seems to be of a food gosip topic i withdraw all from sale .
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Sometimes you're best waiting for the 'sell it for £1 or maximum £3' promo on big ticket sales. That way you can accept lower offers than you'd normally sell for plus, avoid fleabays 10% snatch! Ive done a couple like this, sold a TRex 700 heli for £600 and only paid a quid in fees. I'd have needed to sell at over £660 otherwise which was going to be hard to achieve. Best of luck with the sale though.
thanks boatonic…….I actually signed up to a £1 per sale before I put it up for sale...….I shall check on that status in the next day or two and ask whether it was logged...…….if not i'll remove it until one comes up again...…….thanks for the nod. cheers.
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Just for everyones information these hulls were purchased from a disposal sale not something i have copyied.
However as this seems to be of a food gosip topic i withdraw all from sale .
I have been chatting with atlantic mouldings via PM, after my post about those mouldings being clones of LESRO , and I must offer my open and sincere apologies to Atlantic Mouldings and say I am sorry for the possible insinuations that the company was offering copies of the Atlantic 21.
apparently the 40 sets of mouldings were purchased by AM from an auction premises, and were most likely copied by an unknown 3rd party who probably realised once they had pressed them, it would be harder to sell on to the wise lifeboat modellers than they thought.
if I were AM I would go back to the auctioneers and demand my money back, give them the moulds and if they didn't play ball, threaten them with trading standards under the sale of goods act for selling copied and cloned merchandise……...the threat of a possible [but most unlikely...although frightening]fine of £500,000.00p and or up to 7 years in jail might make them see sense.
again, I am sorry to Atlantic Mouldings for implying that they were in anyway to blame for this.
neil.
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It was on the SLEC stand Martin - due out next year I think.
Colin
Anyone have any update on a possible pending release?
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I contacted slecuk for a progress update on there Atlantic model and they said end of the year. For those interested
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I really ought to finish my original one, if only to say 'No, it's not a new build SLEC one!' when anyone asks. :-)
I've got another original kit too, goodness knows what I should do with that.
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Sell it before the slec one comes out and kills lesro prices on eBay!
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I contacted slecuk for a progress update on there Atlantic model and they said end of the year. For those interested
Thanks for the info, good news :-))
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Hi Neil, not sure if you or anyone is still reading this thread? I’ve very much enjoyed your Rescue build. I’ve acquired a part kit off eBay, but have no full size plans. Do you by any chance have the plans that you would be willing to copy and send to me, I’m more than happy to pay all costs. Also interested to know what propshaft size you used, motor, esc and battery combo. Kind regards Simon