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Title: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: Arrow5 on January 08, 2018, 03:57:41 PM
Anybody see the first episode ?   Second one`s trailer looks like fun when they try to balance a heavy G gauge steam locomotive on a tug or offshore work boat with predictable result. A train ferry or even a barge pulled by the tug would have been more logical    A wooden bridge made to span the width of a canal lock collapses etc etc. Another  four episodes to entertain us or have us tear our hair out at the weekends. Expect the usual "southern"  Scottish cliches , rain , midges, Nessie,kilts and so on. Volunteers were a mixed bunch too. 70 miles of track laying, pieces re-used.  I wonder if we couldn't interest Channel 4 in doing a boat version, coast to coast not just Loch Ness.
Title: Re: Model railway Ft Wlliam to Inverness channel 4
Post by: gerard on January 08, 2018, 04:32:49 PM
First bend it tipped over and fell off!!
Title: Re: Model railway Ft Wlliam to Inverness channel 4
Post by: TailUK on January 08, 2018, 04:48:14 PM
First bend it tipped over and fell off!!

and nothing ever goes wrong with model boats. {-)  {-) {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: Model railway Ft Wlliam to Inverness channel 4
Post by: Arrow5 on January 08, 2018, 05:02:47 PM
and nothing ever goes wrong with model boats. {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
  Better ask Neil that  %)
Title: Re: Model railway Ft Wlliam to Inverness channel 4
Post by: Arrow5 on January 14, 2018, 04:05:29 PM
It is the second episode tonight , Ch 4 9 pm,  A bit of train ferry model boating according to trailer.
Title: Re: Model railway Ft Wlliam to Inverness channel 4
Post by: Arrow5 on January 14, 2018, 08:15:19 PM
HELP, its on Now ...8PM till 9PM
Title: Re: Model railway Ft Wlliam to Inverness channel 4
Post by: T33cno on January 14, 2018, 10:10:32 PM
Wife has recorded but for anyone that missed


http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-biggest-little-railway-in-the-world/on-demand/64921-002
Title: Re: Model railway Ft Wlliam to Inverness channel 4
Post by: Martin [Admin] on January 14, 2018, 10:12:17 PM
 
The producers are a bit overboard with ... everything but it is Channel 4!
Title: Re: Model railway Ft Wlliam to Inverness channel 4
Post by: T33cno on January 14, 2018, 10:14:59 PM
I like Richard and really enjoy his other endeavours and resourcefulness  :-))
Careful not to say Dick  {-)


http://chateaudelamottehusson.com/dick-angel/
Title: Re: Model railway Ft Wlliam to Inverness channel 4
Post by: Neil on January 14, 2018, 11:05:11 PM

  Better ask Neil that  %)
 
if you are referring to me arrow5 re; things going wrong..........never a build that something doesn't go wrong %% mate.............but at least I admit my mistakes and failures, as I like to think that my mistakes, which I can also rectify, are an aid to others getting it right ............it's when one tries to cover up their mistakes with bovine excreta and a touch of arrogance that no one benefits, and the builder is seen right through, by others, %% lol...............in fact, mate..............I'm proud of my mistakes...........always makes me a better modeller in the long run...............now, on to my next blunder, or two. {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: Model railway Ft Wlliam to Inverness channel 4
Post by: BrianB6 on January 15, 2018, 01:09:01 AM
As opposed to modelling.
One of our TV channels played the trip on the 'Ghan' from Adelaide to Darwin yesterday.
All 17 hours of it!
I only watched a few minutes before realising how boring the Australian countryside is.
I suppose it will be the Indian Pacific next. Sydney to Perth.  All 3 days of it
Title: Re: Model railway Ft Wlliam to Inverness channel 4
Post by: derekwarner on January 15, 2018, 03:00:02 AM
mmmmmmmmm....I also watched the Driver sitting in the Left Hand seat  >>:-(.........I closed out after 5 minutes ....so speech...no dialogue......nothing
Title: Re: Model railway Ft Wlliam to Inverness channel 4
Post by: Arrow5 on January 15, 2018, 07:30:38 AM
I agree with everything you say Neil, it was just the Loch Ness connection .  No offense intended.   :-))
Title: Re: Model railway Ft Wlliam to Inverness channel 4
Post by: Arrow5 on January 15, 2018, 07:38:12 AM
Brian and Derek, we had a similar two hour no dialogue image of two Sami girls leading their sledges pulled by reindeer across Lapland. {:-{  BBC of course.
Title: Re: Model railway Ft Wlliam to Inverness channel 4
Post by: VANYA on January 15, 2018, 09:48:29 AM
Do these programmes play overseas or do you need to have a UK IP address to recognise the content? lots of good stuff about weather and storms, beside the railway.


Not working my end when I push the play button.



Title: Re: Model railway Ft Wlliam to Inverness channel 4
Post by: Liverbudgie on January 15, 2018, 10:57:12 AM
Do these programmes play overseas or do you need to have a UK IP address to recognise the content? lots of good stuff about weather and storms, beside the railway.


Not working my end when I push the play button.

I'm afraid that you will need a UK IP address to receive BBC Iplayer, ITV player, channel4 player etc., or whatever they call it. Pain in the buttocks of course, but there you are.

LB
Title: Re: Model railway Ft Wlliam to Inverness channel 4
Post by: Cornishman on January 15, 2018, 11:07:04 AM
     What a load of amateurs. Is it a comedy show?  Everything seems to go wrong and they got through four quadbikes in two shows.
Title: Re: Model railway Ft Wlliam to Inverness channel 4
Post by: inertia on January 15, 2018, 11:23:26 AM
     What a load of amateurs. Is it a comedy show?  Everything seems to go wrong and they got through four quadbikes in two shows.
Ah, but if everything had gone smoothly then we wouldn't be talking about it here. A bit like those awful "talent" shows that depend on ritual humiliation, people tune in to see things go wrong and that buys advertising in the commercial breaks.
DM
Title: Re: Model railway Ft Wlliam to Inverness channel 4
Post by: roycv on January 15, 2018, 11:40:22 AM
Hi all, I watched the first episode and gave up after that, they did not seem to know what was wanted or indeed what to do!  It is all very well putting people into teams but there were a lot of people that wanted to do their own thing.  A bit of pre-hands on practical and general direction was needed.  Not that impressed with the management of the operation.  I watched the boat sink in a pre-clip and decided I had seen enough.
I went back to my shed and will stick to 'OO' gauge railway.  And boats and yachts of course!
Regards Roy
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: malcolmfrary on January 15, 2018, 03:02:35 PM
Watched the first two episodes - really have to question the aims of the program.  It does seem to be another vehicle for an over excitable presenter.
As to the maritime effort - it would be interesting to know just what the failure was.  Losing radio contact over a range of less than a couple of hundred yards with what looked to be 27 or 40 Mhz gear just should not happen.  Unless the receiver had its own battery which had been forgotten.  Or the filming vastly over-ran and the boats main battery didn't have enough life.  But either way, the boat was vastly overloaded with a heavy load pushing the CoG too high and probably too far back.  Add to that, nobody seemed to have lashed the load down, and whoever designed the recovery cradle forgot that wood floats. 
I am left wondering what would have happened to their unballasted wooden viaduct over the ford if it had rained up the valley.  Since nothing appeared in the trailer, they likely got away with it.


Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: Cornishman on January 15, 2018, 05:58:58 PM
    We will probably see the viaduct float away next week.
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: inertia on January 15, 2018, 06:42:06 PM
I reckon that's five of us will be watching next week. The producers will be rubbing their hands together happily.
To extend the subject a little, why do you suppose it is that the storylines of all the old soaps have become so harrowing, unpleasant etc? It's because so-called ordinary life is generally so dull that if it were depicted on the screen then few people would watch it. You just KNOW that the Christmas 'Eastenders' will have a murder or a suicide or something equally as improbable in it. That's actually a bad example because the Beeb doesn't have commercial adverts but it still chases the TV ratings, and the commercial TV soaps will be in competition to see which one can suck in the most mugs viewers.
In this case I'm guessing that the conclusions will be that a group of such disparate and inept individuals can be turned into an efficient team, given the task and the time constraints. Don't forget we've only seen the clueless half - there's four programmes in total.
I also imagine that the young Tom Cruise lookalike with the Fred Dibnah accent will be the next TV superstar/celebrity (God help us...)!
DM
Title: Re: Model railway Ft Wlliam to Inverness channel 4
Post by: BFSMP on January 15, 2018, 06:58:21 PM



I agree with everything you say Neil, it was just the Loch Ness connection .  No offense intended.   :-))

I doubt that there would be arrow5.


he's calm and placid these days,


Jim.
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: RST on January 15, 2018, 08:19:17 PM
I'm kind of at a loss what to make of the programme to be honest.

I first heard of it perhaps this time last year on a couple of model rail forums.  I costed out the length of "O" gauge track alone and couldn't make the maths add-up for a complete length in one go.  Since then as I live in Inverness I thought there would have been some local "drumming up of enthusiasm" but heard nothing.  They seemed to have done it all from afar and taken / invited allot of folk up to make the programme?

The lengthy pre-amble at the start of each show says "to do what the Victorians failed to do", but in this second episode they clear-enough  explained they didn't fail.  They got part way and a different railway company beat them to do it -so there would have presumably been not enough returns on the investment and work was scrapped.  That's different.

That said, I suppose it is supposed to make new folk think about trying the hobby -but I'm not sure whether to feel ashamed, embarrassed or angry.  It's a clear demonstration that not all engineers are modellers (not many engineers are very good when you take them away from their desk either!), not all modellers are engineers (obviously) and not everyone gets on when you throw them together in groups.

Some really blindingly obvious things for me from the first 15 mins of show 1:  Alarming how they can't keep the locomotive on the track -but they haven't laid any obvious foundations, in some cases it looks like there's little attempt to even get the track flat.

In episode 2 some poor beggar offered an old PSV model -with duct taped sponsons which looked pretty rough and undersized for the load, or what would obviously be the water conditions encountered.  Am afraid I thought this very poor of model ship modellers.  With the gaffer taped hull and the locomotive tie-wrapped to the deck, the fairly pathetic attempt at a launching cradle, I'm not surprised it sank.  That was a fail on so many strange reasons.

The truss bridge in episode one I guessed almost immediately would break at some point.  They made a big deal of trusses but failed at almost the fist point of demonstrating you need a bigger section to resist the biggest bending moment.  Duhh, that's why most of the real examples shown are arch shaped.  I thought the 60m viaduct in this episode was very good though -I suspect there was never really any danger of it being washed away though otherwise there would be no drama!!!  I expect they have been provided very limited materials and tools to create some form of a challenge and drama, but I haven't seen much common sense into using them so far.

Re presenters -well it's the scrapheap challenge gang though I doubt everyone participating would remember them.  Claire Barratt is quite good and I like here in her other programmes.  The big guy the "HSE Brat" keeps on bleeting to I can't remember but I admire his patience.  Dick "hoddit and bodgit" Strawbridge I'm afraid I can't stand in any of his shows.  He may not be as rough as he's made out but I doubt it and I think there's allot of others better than him.

.........Sorry, that's turned into an essay!  I imagine it makes "good viewing" for the masses but I think it's a pathetic showcase for modelling and most of the folk involved.  I don't like any of the voyeur rubbish that's on so I may be biased.  I can look past calamities like ditching quads -I kind of expected drama like that.  Half way through episode 2 and I've pretty much given up which is a shame as it's topical for me.  I'd say good luck to them but there's no real drama -they must have reached town otherwise there'd be no show!

Rich


Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: gerard on January 15, 2018, 10:56:10 PM
Dick Strawbridge ruined Scrapheap challenge when he took over as the presenter. Gerard
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: Arrow5 on January 16, 2018, 10:12:14 AM
I wonder if they learned anything for the next sets of locks...no boats for example %)    Pretty steep slopes at Muirton locks.   Did any of the model railway forums comment ?    Were the local Inverness club members involved ?
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: dougal99 on January 16, 2018, 12:04:15 PM
There is an article in this month's Model Rail magazine by one of the participants, a network rail engineer. He had a great time and would do it again. I suppose you had to be there. Anyway beats watching some of the other rubbish currently on TV.
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: TheLongBuild on January 16, 2018, 01:18:09 PM
Watched the first two episodes - really have to question the aims of the program.  It does seem to be another vehicle for an over excitable presenter.
As to the maritime effort - it would be interesting to know just what the failure was.  Losing radio contact over a range of less than a couple of hundred yards with what looked to be 27 or 40 Mhz gear just should not happen.  Unless the receiver had its own battery which had been forgotten.  Or the filming vastly over-ran and the boats main battery didn't have enough life.  But either way, the boat was vastly overloaded with a heavy load pushing the CoG too high and probably too far back.  Add to that, nobody seemed to have lashed the load down, and whoever designed the recovery cradle forgot that wood floats. 
I am left wondering what would have happened to their unballasted wooden viaduct over the ford if it had rained up the valley.  Since nothing appeared in the trailer, they likely got away with it.


Who cares !!!, They were having fun and playing....
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: inertia on January 16, 2018, 01:46:05 PM
Thanks to Larry Longbuild for 'ungrumping' this thread. The programme was made for the purpose of entertainment but if it doesn't do that for you then too bad.
DM
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: Netleyned on January 16, 2018, 02:18:25 PM
Thanks to Larry Longbuild for 'ungrumping' this thread. The programme was made for the purpose of entertainment but if it doesn't do that for you then too bad.
DM


 :-)) :-)) :-))
Unfathomable
Ned
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: Captain Flack on January 16, 2018, 02:49:18 PM
Don't like Dick, or the other bloke, Clare's not bad and makes the programme almost acceptable, notice I say almost.  I have no doubt that due to the magic of television they will succeed in their endeavours.
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: Arrow5 on January 16, 2018, 03:56:29 PM
Talking of magic, you dont suppose the Dutch Barge cum tourist motel that rescued the quad just happened along ?  Was it the mother-ship and accomodation for senior TV production members, film crew, medics, Canal personnel  etc ?  The minions had pop-up tents ashore to keep the spirit of pioneers going.  It is good to have some lighthearted banter, no grumps here {-)   Thanks for the info Dougal. :-))
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: Tug-Kenny on January 17, 2018, 12:01:41 PM

I am curious as to whether the track laid stays put when they have filmed the little journey along it and out of view.  ? 

Is this  'pulled up ' and re-laid into the next section to prevent vandals and stray animals. ?     :}


Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: Martin [Admin] on January 17, 2018, 12:05:38 PM
 
Has there been a close up of the "track" yet?

Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: Tug-Kenny on January 17, 2018, 12:11:55 PM

We were shown a plastic strip of 'U' shaped track which clipped together by compression at each end.  Occasionally the train would steer itself off the rails and tip over.

I should think a lot of  'modellers' are cringing in their seats at the assembles used.    :}

 
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: TheLongBuild on January 17, 2018, 01:33:42 PM

Has there been a close up of the "track" yet?




Some close ish here


https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=biggest+little+railway&rlz=1C1EJFA_enGB732GB732&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj0huyJjt_YAhVoCcAKHb-CAiMQ_AUICigB&biw=1366&bih=662
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: Martin [Admin] on January 17, 2018, 03:10:43 PM
 
Anyone recognise that style of track?

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/06/02/15/4107417100000578-4566462-image-a-62_1496413487514.jpg)
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: Steve Dean on January 17, 2018, 04:33:03 PM
I have to be blunt guys and say that this programme is an insult to modelling and those of us who are associated with it. It's just another dumbed-down TV programme as are so many these days.
Of course I have become a lemming and watched the first two episodes - squirming on the sofa - at how pathetic it was.

Give me the gang who display on the pool at Warwick and we could make a TV prog about modelling that would educate, inspire and amaze people ..... but of course no production company would be interested in a making a proper programme.

So next year at Warwick I will put on my Jeremy Clarkson voice and the commentary will be as follows ........ Today, Martin wears an even louder shirt, Steam Boat Phil goes up in flames and Chris Scott causes James Bond to get moist. As for Paul Chilcott ...... some say, he only comes out of his shed to sail boats and only breathes super glue fumes!

Hey ho!
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: Martin [Admin] on January 17, 2018, 04:59:43 PM
 
 {-) {-)
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: roycv on January 17, 2018, 07:09:22 PM
Well said Steve, what a gang of Wallies!
Roy
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: Stavros on January 17, 2018, 08:25:42 PM
Blooming heck that looks like my daughters Thomas the Tank train track  O0




Steve....it has GOT TO BE DONE  AT the warwick show i DARE  you


Dave
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: Kevgarth on January 17, 2018, 09:03:29 PM
I have to totally agree with Steve Dean's comments regarding this programme where it might make more people interested in our hobby for me it's not. They also previewed the next programme with a load of flames where the gas has been ignited in some way, well the steam regs are complicated and involved as it is but some H+S officer might take a very dim view of this and completely change the rules on the strength of what he saw on the programme.
When James May did all his challenges for his TV show (Toy Stories) it was great, he also got involved himself instead of just running around with a radio in his hand, the main man at Hornby told me after that show really put Hornby back on the market after the show. Also James May had good blokes helping him including the general public where Dick Strawbridge uses young people and calling them team leaders and you could see it was upsetting the others in the last show??? I don't know if it was because the show was done on the cheap but I would love to see James May do this same route and at least you could watch it and have a laugh. I'm not a Top Gear fan but JM has a good way of showing how things work but I won't be watching the rest of the three shows of Biggest Little Railway. It could have been a much better show as the scenery is fantastic in Scotland but the way it's been done it makes us look a laughing stock.


Regards
Kevin
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: Mike Fry on January 17, 2018, 09:31:41 PM
Hello
The Track looks a lot like Mattel "Hot Wheels" track.  So simple but hours of fun, can you still get it?
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: RST on January 17, 2018, 09:48:59 PM
I believe they said in episode 1 it was a custom made plastic extrusion.  Some form of dross about regular steel rails not providing enough traction!?.  My theory was it was too expensive to use off the shelf stuff.  There's also a comment I saw on a MR forum about it being split radius or something on curves -which probably doesn't help when there's 100 years of manufacturing experience on the off the shelf stuff.  I'm still struggling to believe they ordered 70'odd miles of custom made track and laid it in one go.  Perhaps the last episode might confirm my thoughts they did it one mile at a time and everyone only had a limited amount of time to do their bit.  Stay tuned I guess.


Anyone recognise that style of track?

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/06/02/15/4107417100000578-4566462-image-a-62_1496413487514.jpg)
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: Mike Fry on January 17, 2018, 10:42:42 PM
Hello
Ok i did not see that bit it could be because i record everything so i can jump over the adverts and miss bits.
With hindsight 0 guage Hot Wheels now that would be more fun. Yes as has been pointed out the program has more holes than the Titanic.
It does seem to lack something though.
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: Klunk on January 18, 2018, 09:17:10 AM
Just yet another TV programme about modelling that show all of us to be
A childish
B stupid
C unable to comprehend basic logic
 And them presented in a fashion to make us look all of the above.
Reminds me of that crap series by Mark whatever his name was.
Railway modelling.....the second largest hobby in the UK after fishing.
But take modelling as a whole, As per fishing .... and i beg its the largest hobby in the UK
 But not a single TV documentary will do it justice

As a kid i watched Out of Town with Jack Hargreaves and wanted to all the things he did. Fishing, ratting, pony and cart, Woodworking . All the old school stuff. Even Magpie, How and Tomorrows World were informative and made you want to do something. Nowadays all we get is dumbed down dross, as that's what TV think we want. I would rather see a 45 minute programme on how the engine was made for the TV series! When it fell in the water and had to dry out...he took it apart....but surely any sane normal modeller would have set it back up and checked it was running before taking it to the start point! And the bloke was an engineer from the firm that made the engine so he should have known....but that does not make good TV.
Anyway rant over.  Will watch next episode....only to see if they can actually make themselves look bigger arses than they already are.
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: Colin Bishop on January 18, 2018, 09:50:21 AM
I think that with a lot of this type of programmes the producer has an entirely different agenda from what the participants may have been led to believe. The TV people will also have only the flimsiest grasp of the subject matter and no interest in anything other than 'what makes good TV' - i.e. nerdy people making fools of themselves.

It rarely ends well, the participants find they have been misrepresented and all the bits they thought were any good have ended up on the cutting room floor. Unless it goes wrong it isn't good TV. The days of Bob Symes are long gone although James May's little recent series was thoughtful and interesting - very much the exception though.

Colin
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: malcolmfrary on January 18, 2018, 10:08:28 AM
It did mention that the track was a custom extrusion.  I don't know if the entire 70 miles will be laid concurrently, requiring the purchase of 70 miles of the stuff, or whether they will have to do it a bit like Wallace and Grommit in the greatest chase scene of all time.  Lay several days worth, set off along it then recover the used part and leapfrog it ahead.
There does seem to be a basic lack of understanding about mechanical things - an 0-4-0 shunting loco is not designed to hurtle along a main line nor is it intended to go round curves quickly, especially on rough-laid track with very uncertain evenness. 
I do have sympathy for those with expertise and ability on the show, but the bits that will stick in the minds of viewers will be the largely predictable mishaps.  They do know what they are doing, but are being led by executives who don't.  A bit too much like real life. 
I would still like to know the reason for the radio fail under the bridges.  Guessing that it was OK in all the rehearsals and nobody knew where the battery charger was.
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: roycv on January 18, 2018, 11:06:32 AM
The Producers we see now came up through the making of Commercials where a 2 second shot is too long.  Which is very confusing for the elderly and easily confused like myself.
However I still seem to have more practical marbles left in the grey department than your general TV viewing public being catered for.  I suppose the ultimate is Gogglebox!  Where the viewer watches others watching TV.
I am getting the feeling that the more aware members of society go out and do something they enjoy or practice their hobbies perfected over the years at home.
I recommend Radio4 / Classic FM for this, or also in my case I have Audio books from the local library and model in peace.  A good epitaph may he Model in Peace!
I have a game I play when reading with R4 on, I score a point every time I read a word that is used simultaneously on the radio, never got beyond 3 though!
Sorry got a bit carried away during coffee break!
regards Roy
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: Colin Bishop on January 18, 2018, 11:20:53 AM
Yes, constant cutting from scene to scene is very irritating as you don't get to see anything properly. It's even more annoying when they repeat the same clip again and again. I suppose it's all about dynamic presentation. In 2016 when they were reporting on the Battle of Jutland they would show a superb shot of dreadnoughts steaming in line and after a second or two cut to some talking head so you simply did not get the opportunity to appreciate the sight of a battlefleet at sea. Criminal!

Colin
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: roycv on January 18, 2018, 11:58:09 AM
As far as irritating goes on TV, I have like most others an HD TV.  So now I can watch in more detail I see re-enactment history type programmes where the scenes are de-focussed to avoid seeing faces etc. or 'blurred Tv' as I think of it, it is bad enough to have to wear glasses and then to realise it was never in focus to start with.

Still I say to myself the world is run by 19 years olds now but closely supervised by the owners on their private islands.
We the oldies etc are now a major part of society and I would like to see programmes made by and for us, I suspect we already have it in You Tube.

Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: Liverbudgie on January 18, 2018, 12:14:17 PM
Only having seen the trailers for this programme and noting the general tone of the comments on here, only serve to confirm my initial impressions.
However on a lighter side, I have found on "YouTube" some mesmerising videos of train journeys shot from the drivers cab. Some of course are somewhat poor but others are superb especially these from a Norwegian driver:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE5DAisHbe8   they also show some the differences between the various systems for instance, the dreadful state of long haul American trains and their counterparts in China and Europe.
If you have nothing better to do on a rotten winters day, trying to get off to sleep or just want something running in the background I can recommend them.

LB
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: LJ Crew on January 18, 2018, 04:17:27 PM
Probably made by the same idiots. Dickenson's Real Deal kept on about a collection of Hornby "O" gauge as "Hornby Dublo". Thank goodness that I'm old enough not to have to pay for this crap. Reminds me of the idiot on one of the "antique" shows who showed where you put the meths into the safety valve bush on a Bowman 234 live steam engine. I haven't seen him since but I hope he didn't burn anyone.
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: Arrow5 on January 18, 2018, 07:10:10 PM
The  maker of the little steam locomotive has a link to Channel 4 player.  I wonder if our overseas Mayhemers could see the first two episodes on this link ?  www.roundhouse-eng.com   There are a couple of snippets on Youtube, a minute or so only.
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: Trawlerman-Les on January 18, 2018, 08:03:01 PM
Oh 'eck! All these negative comments have got me doubting my sanity. I am enjoying the show. It's not after all a modelling show, it's a fun way of doing something which was never achieved at full scale, building a railway across Scotland. Lighten up gents and enjoy.  ;)
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: McGherkin on January 18, 2018, 09:30:32 PM
I'm not watching it, but I highly suspect it's not seriously claiming to be a professional effort done by serious modellers, so I don't think they'd be claiming to do a perfect job of it.

That said, some of my team were involved with filming a documentary for Quest. They wanted to show the dropping of a wavebreaker block out in the Sound, which is a job we do on a daily basis. The drop was completely routine.

When the program aired, there was a huge story about how the seas were getting rough, there was a storm coming in and if we didn't drop the block on that attempt it would be game over.... All generated for the viewer's benefit.
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: carlmt on January 19, 2018, 03:06:16 PM
.........and hence why I don't have a TV.

Gave up on that waste of electricity years ago - I get more entertainment from 'mistakes and mishaps' in my workshop!
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: RST on January 19, 2018, 09:12:18 PM
I'm afraid I can see similarities with what we are more often trained at work to do with presentations these days.  Always keep your audience on your toes, change the appearance regularly, no technical information for too long, more importantly at the start list explicitly what's coming up -during the content repeat yourself three times and at the end re-tell everything again.  That I have always been told (wince) is the "American format" because attention spans there are much shorter (sorry -just repeating what I'm told!).  It is a shame programmes are going this way though because the informative content reduces probably by 50%.  What gets me and particularly off-putting with TV these days though is they cannot apparently afford tripods for cameras any more, so constant scene cutting, shaky cameras and constant focusing in / out, or mis-focusing on something completely separate prevail!!!  That I find almost impossible to watch without following the content properly or just plain feeling ill!

I think though I'm being harsh on the programme, it's clearly not invented for folk already in the hobby -or those local to the area.  I guess it's not made for either kind of folk.

Rich
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: roycv on January 19, 2018, 11:54:17 PM
Hi RST, When I was about 12 our form master said the art of teaching was "to tell 'em what your going to tell 'em, then you tell'em, then you tell'em what you told 'em"!  Never forgotten it.
That was over half a century ago, things do not change much.  In later life I also learned not tell 'em more than three things at a time.
After I 'retired' I had a 2 year spell as a Learning Support Assistant in an Infant school.  That was a very pleasant time, lots of happy memories.
regards Roy
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: roycv on January 20, 2018, 10:32:24 AM
Going back to the thread, I went to see our oldest club member yesterday afternoon, he is 99 in June. 
He asked if I had watched the programme and I said said "yes".
 "Don't know what they are doing doing, do they" he said.  And he has a Roundhouse loco similar to the one used.
 He also said he was not going to make any more locos (macular degeneration) but would have a small track display at our own exhibition in September.  Perhaps Dick might like to come and see us and learn?
regards Roy
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: Arrow5 on January 20, 2018, 12:42:39 PM
So far the little locomotive has been the star of the show, pity it didn't have a local livery for example Caledonian Railway etc.   Poor wee thing, it has been abused, dunked in the canal, flames , fell off the track dozens of time etc etc.  I see there is an American style wooden trestle  section to be shown soon.  The "gravity" gradient section could have been a rack section  In retrospect the warring full-size railway companies may have made an error by not continuing beyond Fort Augustus in view of the massive developments that took place shortly afterwards, thousands of acres planted by the new Forestry Commision and subsequently harvested, an industry that continues today. The massive hydro-electric schemes that were built plus aluminium smelters taking advantage of this power.  Today thousands of tourists that might like a smoother lochside trip to look for Nessie on a heritage steam train after their "Harry Potter" excursion from Ft.William to Mallaig. I will be watching till the last episode, it is/was a great epic, just wish it had been done with a bit more skill.  Model boaters have to do something similar. Been a long time since the  E.D.  boat crossed the English Channel O0
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: Trawlerman-Les on January 20, 2018, 01:05:13 PM
Well said Arrow5. So that's two of us enjoying the programme.  :-))
Les
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: roycv on January 20, 2018, 02:35:22 PM
Hi re the channel crossing, one of our long gone club members had a hand in that, I think the radio side was run by a local Watford man who had a RC business, I think a Mr. Willshire?  May have the spelling wrong. 
Our club member also made a large model Lysander aircraft that was displayed in the Dome of Discovery in the South Bank exhibition in 1951 (Festival of Britain).
I did visit and still remember much of it.
regards Roy
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: Netleyned on January 20, 2018, 02:41:10 PM
Knowing tv/ filming outfits ,
the probably had two or three
Locos along the track to keep
the continuity girl in a job
Ned
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: Arrow5 on January 20, 2018, 02:57:02 PM
They certainly appear to have had at least one other loco, it is to be used on the "Gravity" slope, not same weight or heavier rake of trucks :((  as they had shown in a clip of full-size operations of a gravity slope. I wonder if the other engine could have worked as a banking engine ie both pushing together ?
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: Netleyned on January 20, 2018, 02:59:41 PM
What would the producers know about Banking Engines?


Ned
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: LJ Crew on January 20, 2018, 03:02:38 PM
Quite a lot I guess. Every bank has an ATM attached.
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: Netleyned on January 20, 2018, 03:28:07 PM
 :embarrassed:

Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: Arrow5 on January 20, 2018, 04:03:48 PM
What would the producers know about Banking Engines?


Ned
     ...about same as  they know about loading a model boat.   I`m planning my next Springer, with rail-barge as we speak :D
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: Brian60 on January 20, 2018, 05:04:15 PM
I can't believe on a model boat forum that the biggest talking point is model trains - go figure! %% %%
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: Arrow5 on January 20, 2018, 05:19:00 PM
Hi Brian, did you see it in Spain ?    If not could you try the Roundhouse link to see if our Antipodean chums can view it on Youtube, just so they know what we are talking about.  They have been quiet after the burst on "where in the world".  BTW there was a model boat involved. O0 {-)  www.roundhouse-eng.com
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: Brian60 on January 20, 2018, 05:37:32 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2rft_F_96E

dunno if that is it or not, it says doncaster. All the rest are american videos. Your link above does work here in Spain so I can't see why the convict offspring can't view it.
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: Arrow5 on January 20, 2018, 06:13:36 PM
 :-)) Thanks Brian. It is the link on the Roundhouse Engineering, home page (not youtube) that has has the a full episode of the Ch4 production that I thought our Oz and NZ friends might like as it cant be seen on Iplayer as they wont have a UK address ( IPS or summit). There is a photo of the presenters holding one of the locos on home page of Roundhouse Engineering.   Clicking on that shows at least one episode. Thanks again.     P.S. there are a few boaty scenes that Neil and the model lifeboat flotilla will be familiar with from their epic a couple of years ago,
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: Brian60 on January 21, 2018, 08:54:29 AM
OK couple of points. If they are having trouble because of the IP address being read to make sure you are viewing from within the UK (this is because of copyright problems) then just install a simple IP anonymiser such as Halo - this fools the sender, in this case channel 4, into thinking you are in the UK - or any other country in the world of your choosing.

Secondly though, with it being embedded as it is requires the activation of Adobe's Flash addon. Not many people use it nowadays due to the simplicity of it being hacked and introducing virus and malware on to your closely guarded device! This is one of the reasons why Youtube has become so popular over the years. Youtube although it has over 200 full programs of Channel 4, only has a couple of clips from this series and then only a minute or so of programming. Probably the reason for that is because it will still be available on their 'catch up' channel. If you were to give it a month or so, then it will appear on their own youtube channel.
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: Arrow5 on January 21, 2018, 10:09:44 AM
Thanks again Brian, very informative for this non savvy IT Luddite. I`m sure it will help a lot of people in far flung parts who have been trying to see what we are on about. More muddeling fun with bridge building to cross water tonight in UK.
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: Liverbudgie on January 21, 2018, 12:08:42 PM
I can't believe on a model boat forum that the biggest talking point is model trains - go figure! %% %%

'cos we're not all one trick ponies is the reason for that %%

LB, whose other interests include: car mechanics and restoration, steam engines of all types, photography and videography of all types, well, most types anyway, travel and winding people up. 
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: roycv on January 21, 2018, 01:36:10 PM
I agree, model boats, yachts, full size sailing, model railways, preserved railways, I play Bridge, dance when my knees allow, a bit of cycling for exercise, Meccano club, Secretary of society, all the cooking at home, etc.
I think I will go and have a rest now!
Roy
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: Brian60 on January 21, 2018, 05:40:35 PM
'cos we're not all one trick ponies is the reason for that %%

LB, whose other interests include: car mechanics and restoration, steam engines of all types, photography and videography of all types, well, most types anyway, travel and winding people up.

Now you see, this is why I thought long and hard about posting this.

Not because you are discussing railways or any other subject, it is after all the chit chat forum.

No the reason I posted it was because this is a model boat forum, and except for a very few people who do comment on boat related articles, the winds of desolation mostly blow through posts about boats.  But railways - every man and his dog come out to make a comment, I guess the question really should be - Why is that?
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: Netleyned on January 21, 2018, 05:50:14 PM
Many many more people have travelled by rail than Ships,
 as opposed to ferries were the transport of the much better off.
Ned
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: roycv on January 21, 2018, 06:00:00 PM
I think model railways are No 2 pastime after fishing in the UK.  On Mayhem there are an awful lot of subject headings to discuss model boats in exquisite detail.
regards Roy
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: Klunk on January 22, 2018, 11:19:54 AM
After the last episode 3 i wonder what the criteria to help out was! There were at least 2 people who have nothing to do with model railways that i saw interviewed. I female whose boyfriend liked model railways but was a project engineer for br and another who had never driven a train! So did their rral life jobs give tgem any insight into engineering in real life....i doubt it!
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: roycv on January 22, 2018, 11:27:41 AM
Hi Klunk, I have a niece who is a project manager for Network rail and she would roll her eyes up at the thought of driving a 'toy' train.  I liked the way the TV girl smiled and said "He makes up for it in other ways"!  Mind you I think that some of the younger ones there did it as something to put on their CV's.
regards Roy
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: Klunk on January 22, 2018, 11:35:41 AM
Yep i agreewith that Roy. I work with project managers and to be honest most cannot tell their elbow from their ar#e. A simple measurement will come to us in imperial, so we convert it to metric do the testing and give them the data and they complain as we converted everything to metric! To them its irrelevant we only test in metric!
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: phil_parker on January 22, 2018, 01:37:53 PM
After the last episode 3 i wonder what the criteria to help out was! There were at least 2 people who have nothing to do with model railways that i saw interviewed. I female whose boyfriend liked model railways but was a project engineer for br and another who had never driven a train! So did their rral life jobs give tgem any insight into engineering in real life....i doubt it!

The production company approached lots of people, not just railway modellers. I know someone in science and engineering communications who was asked if they could help find engineers, including female ones.

This isn't really a model railway challenge, look at the tasks and it's far more engineering based a lot of the time.
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: RST on January 23, 2018, 10:32:15 PM
I've kind of given up on this now.  Just watching episode 3 on a recording rather than watching live.  I still can't believe there isn't much / any evident local input so for me it's turned into a bit of a holiday for "southerners" LoL.  Just a holiday for folk with a bit of a challenge set.  I'm beginning to get a bit bitter why there's not more local involvement.  But kudos to them -they did it this year and there was NOTHING leaked in the press ANYWHERE local .  I'm not interested in them making town -we NEVER HEARD about it so it's no biggie now.

...Considering the schools in my area have had their budgets cut recently.  I wax lyrical back to my days in school 30 years ago when we had "challenge" days and had to do teambuilding or engineering challenges akin to sections of this programme.  I'd rather see money put towards getting kids in schools to do challenges and be the next engineers rather than the complete guff this dumbed down Strawbridge norm becomes repeatably presentable!!!!!
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: RST on January 23, 2018, 10:47:22 PM
Sorry but one parting shot towards Major Dick...


For all the mentions of "Silver lady" nobody has as far as I can see so far explained properly what it (she) is.  No explanation of steam locomotives, nothing how it's minituarised, nothing how it is controlled, nothing how this is a big ask -period for a model.  No wonder the guy from the manufactuer of the loco always looks a little sheepish / embarrased when he is called in to fix things.  It's just a joke how the show has been put together if you have any interest in it.
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: TomHugill on January 23, 2018, 10:52:41 PM
After the last episode 3 i wonder what the criteria to help out was! There were at least 2 people who have nothing to do with model railways that i saw interviewed. I female whose boyfriend liked model railways but was a project engineer for br and another who had never driven a train! So did their rral life jobs give tgem any insight into engineering in real life....i doubt it!


Project engineer for NETWORK RAIL who litterally does railway engineering for a living and you think it doesn't give them any insight into engineering in the real world......riiiiiight.
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: Klunk on January 23, 2018, 10:59:37 PM
Precisely. That's who i deal with in the real world. And more to the point did that person solve the problem????
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: Klunk on January 23, 2018, 11:03:23 PM
 :-) :-) :-) :-)
Lol
Ps look at the state of network rail!
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: RST on January 23, 2018, 11:39:01 PM
Quote
I work with project managers and to be honest most cannot tell their elbow from their ar#e.

I work for a company which will make you both if required, but we are not sure which is which ourselves but we're right either way, so we get confused fairly often to be honest.  (Have you considered how good a pair of butt cheeks might look so good on a kneekap these days???)  The smaller the company the more flat earth / discworld is believeble.  I hate working in municipal sector!!!!


...I used to like arguing with PM's.  Half of them were easier to catch-out than a Tim Vine one -liner and were a partial nightmare, the other half were a joy to work for.  Miss those days.
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: Klunk on January 24, 2018, 12:49:59 AM
I work in a consulting engineering firm......we have good and not so good    but then we see clients that are.....well you know, they're right and the laws of physics are wrong!
Title: Re: Biggest Little Railway in the World - Channel 4
Post by: Captain Flack on January 29, 2018, 10:01:23 AM
Not sure what the introduction of the Electric was supposed to have achieved especially as they used it to go over the large span viaduct,  and quite disappointed on the uphill track where we pulled it up without the benefit of a cable way.  Makes you wonder why we didn't just pull it all the  way, on a piece of string, or am I missing the point.  I  think Hadrian(I think he's called) needs a personality implant and lessons on how to talk to people.