Model Boat Mayhem
Mess Deck: General Section => From the Archives and all around the Internet ! => Topic started by: Martin (Admin) on January 21, 2018, 03:15:00 pm
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From the Archives ....
HydraFibre Models
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I built to HydraFibre boats, great on the water!
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Does anyone know if these are the same maker as the Stratos Interceptor by any chance?
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Yes, I believe so .... both business' long gone.
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Thanks Martin,
I was guessing they looked like they shared the same mould.
I don’t know if HydraFibre made them or if Stratos was a later owner of the moulds and manufactured them independently.
Enjoy your weekend!
Bob.
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There is an eBay seller constantly listing mouldings, or copies of the first boat in pic one of this thread and essentlially, the yellow hulled boat in subsequent pics if it helps though not too sure that seller knows what he's listing.
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Was this Jetfoil by the same company?
Anyone ever build this up?
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...the bottom of your pic has a statement "Aires Hydrafibre". I seem to remember some links but not sure
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I made a cheeky offer for a “new and boxed” Stratos Interceptor last night......and it was accepted!
When it arrives I will take some pictures to add to this thread.
Stay safe!
Bob.
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Found this showing more of the range of semi kits from Hydrafibre Models. I've still got the Dark Class hull somewhere.
Tony
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I made a cheeky offer for a “new and boxed” Stratos Interceptor last night......and it was accepted!
When it arrives I will take some pictures to add to this thread.
Stay safe!
Bob.
:-)) It's be the first HydraFibre build in probably 20 years!
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HI well i bought a type 21 frigate hull in 1/64 scale off him an an a lot of the white metal fitting in 1994 as the hull turned up on the day my mum died an on that day i dint feel like up to opening it but it was a very good hull but the bridge in GRP was a little on the thick side an to save weight i had to cut it thinner
I still have all the papers show in his hulls an there was also a type 12 Leander class also in 1/64 scale an some fast electric hull also on the papers
Chris
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There is an eBay seller constantly listing mouldings, or copies of the first boat in pic one of this thread and essentlially, the yellow hulled boat in subsequent pics if it helps though not too sure that seller knows what he's listing.
I have seen these on eBay offered with a pre-joined hull and deck with a rubber joining strip covering the flange joint.
You are right, it looks exactly the same and also looks to be nicely finished and only available in white (black rubber jointing strip).
It also looks like remarkably good value too and with a deep vee hull it reasonably claims (IMHO) good rough weather handling too.
I may take another look at this model as it does look very interesting and probably is a copy - or have the original moulds be acquired and are back in production again....?
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When I got home last night, there was a large box waiting for me.
The box was certainly well packed and inside was a new un-started kit for the Interceptor and to my surprise, there was a small pack of pre-cut wood parts, a short M5 prop shaft and some lengths of brass rod to make the various railings and rear mounted dive ladder.
A brass rudder, water scoop and outlet were also included and are probably the original items. The brass shows signs of being old and being allowed to get damp, but they will clean-up well and look good, although the rudder looks very small for a model of this size, so I may change it for a similar size to the one that I have fitted on my Rapier as I know that works well.
The hull is moulded in a blue glass fibre colour and the deck and super-structure is moulded in white. The flying bridge parts are pre-cut in plywood.
A printed set of instructions with dimensioned diagrams to show where to drill various holes and gave the measurements to enable the windows to be cut out etc were also included.
These instructions had a name printed on the top of the front page that looked like it has been applied at a later date with a rubber stamp, and this said:-
Stratos Models.
19 Earsham Street.
Bungay,
Suffolk,
TEL: 2373.
My guess would be that this is a copy of the original HydraFibre intstructions that have had the new owner/makers name rubber stamped on the top as an easy way to provide the building instructions whilst identifying the new business owners ??
The box was damp and so I have dumped it , but I have kept the lid with the printed label and just inverted it to hold all the parts until I get around to assembling it.
The telephone number suggests that this is quite an old kit, but I have no idea just how old it could be or when HydraFibre ceased trading - or just stopped making these kits. Presumably Stratos Models took over the production - or maybe they just bought up some unsold stock and had their own label printed?
Any information regarding the likely vintage of this kit or when Hydrafibre was last active or ceased trading would be interesting to know.
As for the model, in broad terms it is not unlike the Rapier insomuch that it is about the same size and is a fast cabin cruiser with a similar cab arrangement and should be capable of giving a very similar performance.
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To help identify this model, the third picture down from the top of those at the start of this thread shows an Interceptor painted with a black hull and flying bridge with a white deck and super-structure.
This is the only picture that I have ever seen of the Interceptor - apart from the box lid label on the kit that I have just bought.
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All of the other pictures on this thread that show a different cabin cruiser to the Interceptor would appear to be of the HydraFibre Dominator.
Maybe this was the more popular cabin cruiser in the range - and it looks remarkably like the new white ones that are often seen for sale on eBay.
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Ones popped up in Howes models! - https://howesmodels.co.uk/product/fiberglass-hull-speed-boat/
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That looks quite tidy - somebody will enjoy that and it looks like it does not need any real work to get it on the water and running.
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here is a pipedream mk1
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Here the red boat its a spirit of the south .
the spirit was made originaly by jeff harper.
he done this model cutting a pipedream mk 2 and then lengthen it to make it 60 inch long.
goes realy well . and thats is its link to hydrafibre.
goes very much like a pipedream mk 1, just a touch better for realy rough water
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The big Boys! :-))
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I have a 1/64 Type 21 to build.
Bob
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Does anyone have a picture of a Stratos Interceptor by any chance?
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Recently "skipped" an immaculate untouched Spirit of the South as I couldn't find anyone who wanted such a big boat when I needed it out of the way in a hurry.
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Recently "skipped" an immaculate untouched Spirit of the South as I couldn't find anyone who wanted such a big boat when I needed it out of the way in a hurry.
Has the bin man been yet? %)
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Has the bin man been yet? %)
long gone, I am afraid.
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long gone, I am afraid.
......if only I knew - my son lives in Northampton and could have collected it for me so it could have been rescued and saved from the tip.
Its a shame to know that another one has been lost as there was never too many of these made, but hopefully a keen eyed "passer-by" will have "rescued" it before it got buried in the local land-fill site.
Stay safe - Bob.[/quote]
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the Beast
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the Beast
What a shame that beauty has been lost to us all - it looks superb!
RIP %)
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What a shame that beauty has been lost to us all - it looks superb!
RIP %)
It was. Moved away from power boats on to yachts, as many more opportunities to use them. Still have about 30 i/c engines stored away, in all the "racing" sizes
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Should you be having an IC clearout at any stage do let me know, we're in the same town :-))
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Should you be having an IC clearout at any stage do let me know, we're in the same town :-))
Looking for anything in particular?
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Nothing in particular really, I build whatever takes my fancy (as do most of the ic guys in my club). Feel free to drop me a message with what you have going
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criminal to dump such a boat.
wish i had known i would of come and got it for sure.
fantastic boats. could of made something special from that....
and that one looks like it is a real one. the knock off's didnt have the full lip round the edge and
slightly different where the sides go up.
one of the best boats ever made ...
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Andy. PM sent
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Has anyone got any pics of the MK1 spirit of the south. its was the very first of the spirts and had the open cockpit design.
i have the enclosed cockpit type that was definitely more popular, but would like to have got myself a open cockpit top as well.
pretty sure both would fit the same boat, if i remember right it made the spirit look more like the apache..
a pic of the open cockpit version would be nice to have, then i can maybe make on similar.
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for those wanting to know about the stratos boat etc.
hydrafibre made 2 boats using the same hull. one called hydrafibre stratos and the other called hydrafibre interceptor.
often both these boats were seen running webra 61 for racing.
most with the fly bridge used the size 40 like the hot at the time Hp gold cup and silver cup for realy good speeds.
being a bit lighter than a 61 they gave the boats better balance.
there was a interceptor that often ran at black park with a webra 91, it was an animal when he managed to
get it going (not very often fitted with a john stidwell( I think) slide carburettor. very finicky to get it going but nothing
could touch it once he got it running...
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there was a interceptor that often ran at black park with a webra 91, it was an animal when he managed to
get it going (not very often fitted with a john stidwell( I think) slide carburettor. very finicky to get it going but nothing
could touch it once he got it running...
Still have 3 Webra 91's in my stash of racing engines awaiting disposal. One of them has a Webra slide carb which was the ultimate, back in the day
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yep the webra 91 was the motor to have at the time and the slide carb, but the one I am talking about was the webra slide but modified,
I am sure the bloke was called stidwell, might be wrong, but all the racers wanted a carb done by him.
webra was the go fast motor until the likes of CMB and PICCO came about over here, but still managed to almost keep up ha ha
reliability of the CMB was far better and just looked so different, the webra seemed a very tall motor back then..
Pretty sure ive still got a an old webra 91 carb in my box, not the slide one the barrel one ha ah
I got my cmb from Greg Sadler, he imported a few bits and pieces from all over the globe.
All the top racers back then had a Webra 91 and then most switched to CMB when renewing.
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The days of Webra and HP motors. Happy days. My favourite racer was a Silak with a Webra 61R in it. Close second was a Jaguar with a HP40F.
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Nice HydraFibre Predator just popped up on eBay...
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.... rip that stupid DC motor out for a start! O0
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whoever built that dont have a clue.
look at the propshaft angle, was he inteding to puta 6 inch prop on it ha ha
and he says its fast, maybe if it fell out of an airplane it would be fast.
nice boat but a bit much considering the whole lot has to be taken apart and rebuilt.
and yes that motor is crap, they were no good when new
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Did they make a large Pilot boat as well? Circa 48 inches long?
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While looking at vintage power boats, Ebay has a passable Arrowshaft on there at present VINTAGE POWER SPEED BOAT RC MODEL+ ENGINE + STAND 45" SAILING TOY POND YACHT | eBay (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/194142835132?hash=item2d33d091bc:g:Nt0AAOSwPqNgpjg9)
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No hydrofibre didnt do the big pilot boat, but i know the boat your talking of. its was a nice boat.
There was real nice pilot boat i think owned by a fella in reading. i saw it twice at black park running old
4 stroke petrol motor, sounded real good.. boat was very heavy and real was well made. about 4ft long and when out the water was very deep. nice boat...
The arrowshaft and arrobolt were nice. the arrowbolt and arrowshaft was by cambria models and came witha zip-strut in the kit.
it made it like a sort of outdrive ..
i sold my Arrowbolt and should of kept it. i fancied a go at cars for a while..
silly mistake to have sold the arrowbolt. it went realty well witha enya 61.
if you look on the one advertised that has the zip strut on the transom holding the rudder.
these were pretty good boats back int he 1970's when they came out..
i like the stand on that arrow shaft.
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Did much the same, and regretted it. Still have the zip strut casting in the garage somewhere. I used an alternative drive set up on mine.
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the zip strut was pretty well made.
sort of forerunner to todays boats having their surface stuff out the back.
there wasa real full size thing on the back of offshore powerboats like the zip strut.
when i got my arrowbolt i was sort of puzzled by it, but it worked good. and i had a weston engine mount
big cradle effort , again that wa sa bit strange going to that .but again worked ok.
cambria models were pretty good quality and the arrobolt came with anice interior and nice windscreen.
not as fast as the hydrafibre pipedream or interceptre's etc but realy did go well.
hydrafibre was the boats to beat other than multi's. and back then the mini jag and the jumbo jag and opus 40 were good multi's.
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I had ( and still have) a fibre glass Swordman hull made by a guy in the Leicester power boat club. It was an amazing boat. In its time, it had a range of 40 and 61 engines in amd went like stink on all of them.
I still have a new in box Webra 40 and ditto Webra 61F and keep being tempted to get the Swordman going again.
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No hydrofibre didnt do the big pilot boat, but i know the boat your talking of. its was a nice boat.
There was real nice pilot boat i think owned by a fella in reading. i saw it twice at black park running old
4 stroke petrol motor, sounded real good.. boat was very heavy and real was well made. about 4ft long and when out the water was very deep. nice boat...
The arrowshaft and arrobolt were nice. the arrowbolt and arrowshaft was by cambria models and came witha zip-strut in the kit.
it made it like a sort of outdrive ..
i sold my Arrowbolt and should of kept it. i fancied a go at cars for a while..
silly mistake to have sold the arrowbolt. it went realty well witha enya 61.
if you look on the one advertised that has the zip strut on the transom holding the rudder.
these were pretty good boats back int he 1970's when they came out..
i like the stand on that arrow shaft.
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I just picked one up via a friend and wondered who made it. Never been touched just a hull, deck and cabin.
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is that one about 40 to 42 inch long ? if yes that could be the hydrafibre one.
pretty sure the 4ft was by another company. lovely boats and look huge out the water
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It is 44" long and, after trawling the internet for pilot boat photos, looks to be an old Halmatic Nelson 40 . That would make it 1/11th scale. Strange they didn't make it 1/12th scale.
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sounds real nice size for a pilot boat.
i did see a 6 footer at beale park once, now that looked like you could almost get inside it
44 inch is nice sensible size
have you got any pics of it / or video if its a runner
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Found a photo or two of it today.
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Now that is realy nice.
its not the same as the one i remember, the one im talking about the wheelhouse was not as long, giving more room behind it. but this looks to be a great model..
what is the beam of this ?
with that top off you have a ton of room to play around under there.
will make a fantastic boat when finished.
i do like that, looks to be well made.
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see if this looks like your one
https://www.marine-pilots.com/videos/158094-old-nelson-pilot-boat-as-rc-model
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It does indeed. I like the old black & white scheme pilot boats used to have. The fact that the hull has a black gel coat and the rest white gel coat is an added bonus if she gets any scratches.
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First one I've ever seen, just popped up on Facebook ....
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From my archives .... Boeing Jetfoil from Hydrafibre
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Coo, a scale Jetfoil! %%
But how does it work in model form? The real thing had a very complex wave sensing radar in the bow that trimmed the bow foil to enable the boat to ride the wave profile. Plus lateral accelerometers to drive the stern foils to enable it to lean into the turns. So how do you do all that in miniature?
I rode the P&O Jetfoil from Tower Pier in London to Ostend once, and it was MOST impressive.
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...and do we see the date availability as %) %) .....1st May 1986?
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Coo, a scale Jetfoil! %%
But how does it work in model form? The real thing had a very complex wave sensing radar in the bow that trimmed the bow foil to enable the boat to ride the wave profile. Plus lateral accelerometers to drive the stern foils to enable it to lean into the turns. So how do you do all that in miniature?
I rode the P&O Jetfoil from Tower Pier in London to Ostend once, and it was MOST impressive.
Cor Blimey - that would be a technically advanced Jetfoil model if it had all that spec working on it O0
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Cor Blimey - that would be a technically advanced Jetfoil model if it had all that spec working on it O0
talk to this guy:
http://rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?853428-Jetfoil-boeing-929
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Beat me to it, has a few of them now I think. He posted up. A new one a day or three ago. Have been watching him for a while.
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Looks like he built a Jetfoil and a Pegasus too, with a gyro doing some of the control work, but those posts are ten years old and there has to be better methods nowadays.
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Looks like he built a Jetfoil and a Pegasus too, with a gyro doing some of the control work, but those posts are ten years old and there has to be better methods nowadays.
...He might use a gyro but did he not post up hs latest model just under 3 weeks ago? I was under the impression unless it's a surface peircing type like the greek gentleman posts on there, it's difficult to have a passive foil system.
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...He might use a gyro but did he not post up hs latest model just under 3 weeks ago? I was under the impression unless it's a surface peircing type like the greek gentleman posts on there, it's difficult to have a passive foil system.
i picked that one specifically because it shows of a boeing jetfoil... but as RST says, that guy has several hydrofoils, all of which follow the same setup, and others on RCGroups have successfully copied his technique
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The gyro became more trouble than they are worth, but I think two of Takahashi san's hydrofoil still use them.
On some of his latest, it is purely a mix on ailerons and rudder, with a little bit of elevator to
prevent the nose from diving as speed drops in a turn. So the models are literally flown.
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Nice action picture :-))
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I like that pic, that's the USN Tucumcari, one of the earliest hydrofoils. :-))
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Info here -
https://www.foils.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Radio-Controlled-RC-Model-Hydrofoils-Power-Sail-1.pdf
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Info here -
https://www.foils.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Radio-Controlled-RC-Model-Hydrofoils-Power-Sail-1.pdf (https://www.foils.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Radio-Controlled-RC-Model-Hydrofoils-Power-Sail-1.pdf)
Some of those posts were back in the day... :-)
We were experimenting and there were only nitro motors, and small brushed test beds.
My first pump was essentially a blender, no thrust. The second used a racing prop, syringes and a used nozzle.
And it was years till I realized, I was choking the jet pump because the intakes were built to scale, and
too small to provide a good intake volume, choking the performance.
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"The gyro became more trouble than they are worth, but I think two of Takahashi san's hydrofoil still use them.
On some of his latest, it is purely a mix on ailerons and rudder, with a little bit of elevator to
prevent the nose from diving as speed drops in a turn. So the models are literally flown." Aimee,I suspect that with the new computer radios, particularly something one that runs programming like OpenTx, the mixing becomes quite easy and simulates the computer controls on the 1:1 vessels, No?
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I still have a Hydrafibre 1/64 Type 21 Frigate. Quite a big beast.
Bob
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"The gyro became more trouble than they are worth, but I think two of Takahashi san's hydrofoil still use them.
On some of his latest, it is purely a mix on ailerons and rudder, with a little bit of elevator to
prevent the nose from diving as speed drops in a turn. So the models are literally flown."
Aimee,I suspect that with the new computer radios, particularly something one that runs programming like
OpenTx, the mixing becomes quite easy and simulates the computer controls on the 1:1 vessels, No?
The Rudder/ailerons are mixed, so when the model turns, it leans in, but applying the
elevator and managing speed are still up to the operator. Takahashi-san has had a keen
interest in the old HydraFibre kit, but has been unable to find one available.
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I still have a Hydrafibre 1/64 Type 21 Frigate. Quite a big beast.
Bob
I have one too Bob ...and a load of 1/64 fittings which are pretty rare.
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Yes I have most of the fittings too.
Bob
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