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The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Yachts and Sail => Topic started by: F Flintstone on February 22, 2018, 07:29:22 am

Title: Gentlemans Steam yacht plans?
Post by: F Flintstone on February 22, 2018, 07:29:22 am
Anyone know where I can get some plans for a steam yacht? Have tried the net, but most of the boats were one-offs and built early nineteen hundreds, so no original builders left, the sort of yacht is based on any of these, "Vanadis, Medea, North Star and Giralda". I have had a change of direction with a hull I have bought so making something more gentile  :-)  Thanks FF
Title: Re: Gentlemans Steam yacht plans?
Post by: Martin [Admin] on February 22, 2018, 11:04:06 am
 
In lieu of pending responses, would these sites be of any use:

http://www.steamboatassociation.org.uk/

http://www.selway-fisher.com/Steam2030.htm

http://www.tamesis.org.uk/home.html

http://www.consuta.org.uk/workshop/Home.html

http://www.stanleyandthomas.co.uk/brokerage/brokerage.php



Title: Re: Gentlemans Steam yacht plans?
Post by: F Flintstone on February 22, 2018, 01:24:07 pm
Thanks but they are small boats, the ones Iam thinking of modeling are 100/300 Ft long, they were owned by the Vandenbergs, J P Morgan, very wealthy gentlemen, at the turn of the century, Ill keep looking. FF
Title: Re: Gentlemans Steam yacht plans?
Post by: chas on February 22, 2018, 01:45:38 pm
What about Savarona, a 400 foot beauty. Plans from Model boiats / Sarik hobbies.
https://www.sarikhobbies.com/product/savarona-mm1468/
Chas

Title: Re: Gentlemans Steam yacht plans?
Post by: TailUK on February 22, 2018, 02:01:41 pm
Deans does models of S.Y. Medea and the S.Y. Komet (HMAS Una) check with them to see if they'll sell the plans separately.

http://deansmarine.co.uk/shop/product_info.php/cPath/10_18/products_id/307
http://deansmarine.co.uk/shop/product_info.php/cPath/10_18/products_id/306

Some plans are available for sure,Steam Launch Thames. http://deansmarine.co.uk/shop/product_info.php/cPath/26_34/products_id/516
but this may be a bit small for what you have in mind.
Title: Re: Gentlemans Steam yacht plans?
Post by: F Flintstone on February 22, 2018, 02:03:09 pm
Thanks chas  getting close, hull wrong shape and a little later for the period. FF
Title: Re: Gentlemans Steam yacht plans?
Post by: F Flintstone on February 22, 2018, 02:06:46 pm
Thanks TailUK  "Medea" was on my list and I didn't come across Deans Marine in my search, so will make inquiries. FF
Title: Re: Gentlemans Steam yacht plans?
Post by: Colin Bishop on February 22, 2018, 04:47:20 pm
There is not much point in trying to get hold of kit plans as they are often only representative drawings, not to scale and omit vital details such as body plans.

James Pottinger drew the plans for Greta of 1898 which are available from Sarik. The model is 44 inches long https://www.sarikhobbies.com/product/steam-yacht-greta-mm1036/
There is an illustration here: http://www.artnet.com/artists/a-de-simone/the-steam-yacht-greta-in-a-heavy-swell-B3gQgVeus7tgZ2XI8kQY8w2

The Sarik Giralda plan is of the Thames Barge. A model of the steam yacht Giralda is in the collections of the Science Museum, London but no longer on display. I don't know where you would find plans.
http://collection.sciencemuseum.org.uk/objects/co41451/model-of-steam-yacht-giralda-model-representation-yacht

The Brunel Institute at Bristol has a comprehensive set of 1:48 scale plans of the Steam Yacht Nerissa of 1885 built by Alexander Stephens & Sons.
http://www.ssgreatbritain.org/sites/default/files/kcfinder/files/david-macgregor-ship-plans-collection-july-2013.pdf
An image of the vessel here.
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/17770/lot/88/

Quite a lot of general information about these vessels and more images can be found via Google.

Colin


Title: Re: Gentlemans Steam yacht plans?
Post by: tonyH on February 22, 2018, 08:11:29 pm
This may suit in terms of size.

HMCS Wolf. Plans available from a museum in Canada and lots of details, history etc., on line .
Title: Re: Gentlemans Steam yacht plans?
Post by: F Flintstone on February 23, 2018, 07:20:51 am
Thanks again, Deansmarine will sell me the two plans for "Medea & Komet" will try the Brunel institute "Giralda" was also on my list. There is a fair bit of info out there but because of the era the photos are all from Ground/sea level, the above named models that are in collections etc will probably be my best source of material along with a couple of deck plans, as said its not a particular  ship Iam building just a representation of the type, now if I had some Euro millions in the bank!!!   :} :}  FF
Title: Re: Gentlemans Steam yacht plans?
Post by: Colin Bishop on February 23, 2018, 09:25:37 am
I have built the Deans Medea kit and the drawings are not suitable for building a scale model. There is no body plan as a hull is supplied with the kit. The drawings themselves are not accurate as firstly, compromises have had to be made to accommodate the manufacturing process and secondly, Medea has been extensively altered over her long life and the Deans kit doesn't seem to represent any particular period. There is no real detail on the anchoring arrangements for example. I did end up with a lovely looking model which sails well but in all honesty I felt it was more of a generic Gentleman's yacht and renamed it.

If you want a reasonably accurate representation of this type of vessel then you could use either Giralda or Greta plans as a basis and perhaps the Nerissa model in the Science museum as a 3D source of information on typical fittings. Their photos may be sufficient but you can still view the models by appointment should you wish to.

Colin
Title: Re: Gentlemans Steam yacht plans?
Post by: Ramon on February 24, 2018, 01:33:53 pm
Hi,
Several years ago I made a similar boat to what you intend to do.


At the time I had obtained from the library a book entitled, if I recall correctly, 'Edwardian Steam Yachts From Old Glass Slides'. It did not have drawings but provided a good background from which to take ideas from. I used images of a yacht named Zaida from the book and the drawings of Greta referred to above. The F/G hull, made by a friend was based on the Miranda river launch hull.


This was my boat based on those two designs
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/7Ea_r4Zma10AI9uTE48WKSWRao1UesVo9yynEUACr8QHb84AGWaPgB1FZkpHvxWiFJVKmtezfWN6GZl7-HUIHAhZJwF0OdCmO-G7PBg6ZgKbXorTjRXDw__Eossh7iLVU1snZjq1cZ-wmty0OAxHmOI3G5OuVTXJiD0ic-6HMl7aJfvPpwM2SgkqkdIQb-WP-mSz469Jul6QLkCtM6yZ5Llz64DyFxmVNfM-sWigP8sBVnaf422D5rlzsAdlkgrO0BBt9adKb6unPAY4VIfGFxB0JavINoINcL_pOlHYImlE_7KZ8ayl2jflNEdysg6-Zlk7vOV-_0eEFhlwq-zKWew-zPsOcBWxB9oQq9UQ4OPJo6SeIMuHg_PaySyC6Nb_6ldTLqtRlWQ6PU9ogqYPWprfCugbGtJqkYvXJGB4DX7YQNCr3ynZT0ePEqvHq5UpTQ6hsFuWi2vI6IBL2Eu3xP5-p1hEo0RjjRiTkKXAFsIcvcd7JbTCUEUcXWoC8WEQrJIBp3P_Zny3o1yVpO_YkawAaJ8bPtd5kf9ar3bMgUjgQwnm-8gw2bxHNwIs7CuJHBJtzUVBKeRVAiThiMP4e6o4VriZPU13BqeRORjo4ojmGLkMx0ITNffRa5DkDSb_=w406-h270-no)


A model of Greta featured on the cover of Model Boats Mag in 1972
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/wk0bWcyjlabWrkNYAotQRZzYLPvlUcV7kJMK7hVnvTo5yaG3A_fRc2yfHWV4j7ElaT8ALnblRBUn5D2fBnq9NP1MtjOdZLFWvvWi-88Fxu7GXLggHgfmVw-EbTK32d7p2Y72Gm02Oh4Uhbx6-HaWH760zy14adJmhhYRP20Ml0oZC-Gehb4MBr0Nv1WcpJODTb3oUlWUoXrT9iVnEN_MVCFTpYGex5rcx1AYgDRv96uRjEfbw583FzHpkAr9kH3xjVHpVXSe8XaMnKxnW--sEi0EDBilq7Q8zxkMLQ22jjQtbPfpGkqysYtrK-Osh_iB0QImOZycv9KbeuoyPWj6q9LltoIGtDXxMH-lp1njK2R6Mf-aTLOb1ylVl-JZnrguO6nyRF3x2B8WhNWyjpjSlzisUS4bGuhDKRfiZfMJRM4zgvglz3FgWZLcHBPXjQwEcJgantIAlg_sU_0D33tbgeaV72yb_e1NWZsu1V61Y-uaDwaP6ZIymH4xEbcXDXO3u-hYJHCWD6Athg1fsT5RELUZmpmuX-eQX0pk2Fx8RIknsZVwZV6u96vySQRJ0YRObwqKRLKtZxE9tBRFjlJUik0SiVXdmsejAukpTMIW5Oaq7MgWuSseF9_EPyCigdFunw=w395-h296-no)


Sorry about the poor quality of the pics but they are all I have on file. The boat sailed regularly before being cased and now sits in the bedroom!


Hopefully they will provide some ideas for you to


Regards - Ramon