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Title: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on March 12, 2018, 02:46:26 AM
Greetings from this side of the pond.

I was going to start this one before now, but the boss insisted on a few
extra jobs around the house. 

So we gutted the kitchen and dining room, and with the help of a VERY GOOD finish
carpenter rebuilt the major part of our first floor.

Then my dear wife (of 42 yrs) insisted I finally clean all the old electronic gear out
of the basement and reorganize my office and space BEFORE I start the next boat.

So - Having started all of these projects on November 1, here it is March 11 - and I am
finally able to start.


I found this kit last year.  It was from Marvon Models (From the UK) and was produced
before the age of laser cutters.  Somewhere around 2003.  My kit was number 40.
If any one else has built one of these I would appreciate hearing from them.

Here are some pics of the kit pieces and parts.


Regards,
Jim




Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: tigertiger on March 12, 2018, 06:44:51 AM
That looks like a very nice subject.  :-))
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on March 13, 2018, 02:58:41 AM
So - The first steps:

1. Get correct sized copies of the drawings made by a professional Blue-Print Copy Service.
2. Organize the parts in groups that match the order they are in the manual.
3. Build a Keel Board to hold things upright for now.
4. One of my fellow boat builders here in Denver told me to take the frame plan and
    then manipulate the images to get a symmetrical version for each frame.

Thats all for now

More to come
Thanks for reading,

Jim
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: Mark T on March 13, 2018, 06:35:45 AM
Now I like that idea Jim - a great way to make a template for each frame  :-))
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: Footski on March 13, 2018, 07:34:22 AM
Why is a templete of each frame needed, when the frames are included in the kit? Maybe I am missing something, but over complicating matters springs to mind.
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: JimG on March 13, 2018, 10:54:18 AM
Why is a templete of each frame needed, when the frames are included in the kit? Maybe I am missing something, but over complicating matters springs to mind.

Looking at the photo of the frames the cutting appears to be rather rough. Looks like they were hand cut on a bandsaw so an accurate template will help in getting them to the right shape.

Jim
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: tghsmith on March 13, 2018, 10:57:14 AM
archiving a set of plans is always a good idea, confirming precut parts is another.. much easier to correct things before they are assembled.. adding center lines and such is also a plus..
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: Tug-Kenny on March 13, 2018, 11:08:12 AM

I agree with having good frames.  It's my favourite part getting them just right.

May I ask your opinion on their thickness at the edges so that the planking  (or covering) can be attached securely.  I find that if too thin then the pins (or nails) tend to split the edges.

Cheers

ken
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on March 13, 2018, 05:44:23 PM
The Frames are 1/4" thick. - 5-layer plywood.
They were precut with a bandsaw, and from the looks of it, they did a careful job.

One of my reasons for going thru the process of verifying each frame for symmetry
is to locate center lines as well as the hull/waterlines on them prior to planking.
It is all part of the:

"Measure twice, confirm, Measure again just to be sure, wait until your hands stop shaking from too much coffee, Then Cut Once"

philosophy of model building.     {-)

I will apply each frame cutout to the face of the frame, using a few points of white glue, and then measure/transfer lines etc.
Once all is done I can start to notch the frames and Keel to suit. 

More to come,
Thanks for reading,

Jim
Denver, Colorado
USA

Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on March 13, 2018, 10:35:04 PM
Tacked the frame drawings to the frames.
I will need to do a little prep sanding.

Also epoxied the keel sections together.

More to come -
Jim
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on March 17, 2018, 04:21:25 AM
I completed the assembly of the keel.
I also bored the hole for the driveshaft.

Then I spent the time to measure for the
Slots in the keel for the frames.

Lots of measuring.   Cutting still to come.

I also bought a book on POF construction.

Lastly I have chosen the power plant.
Boiler by Maccsteam.  The engine came out
of the previous build where I upgraded to a D10.

Thanks for reading,
More to come.

Jim

Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on March 22, 2018, 02:41:30 AM
Cut the notches and started to fit the frames to the keel.

Slow and easy.  Looks like a lot of fiddling needed here.

More to come
Jim
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on March 23, 2018, 03:09:46 AM
Got the frames adjusted and started to glue into place.


Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on March 23, 2018, 03:13:03 AM
Should I add a brass Keel?

If so - when?

Please let me know what you think.
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: derekwarner on March 23, 2018, 03:23:00 AM
Jim...interesting question as to when?????????

The following is a build of a Wide a Wake model wooden planked open steam vessel [with a brass strip over the keel plate]

It would not be wasted time to read the spectacular content [all electronic 51 pages] ...it may offer some thoughts..... O0

www.modelenginemaker.com/index.php/topic,2851.60.html

Derek
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: Mark T on March 23, 2018, 05:16:11 AM
Hi Jim your doing a nice job there. Im going to put a brass strip on my build and Im going to put it on after the planking but before getting the finished surface
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: Engineman on March 24, 2018, 02:01:19 AM
Jim...interesting question as to when?????????

The following is a build of a Wide a Wake model wooden planked open steam vessel [with a brass strip over the keel plate]

It would not be wasted time to read the spectacular content [all electronic 51 pages] ...it may offer some thoughts..... O0

www.modelenginemaker.com/index.php/topic,2851.60.html (http://www.modelenginemaker.com/index.php/topic,2851.60.html)

Derek


Really??? Not wasted time??? And even with a brass strip over keel??? Indeed?
You're kidding sailor...CHIMAERA was a steel boat - with stem/sternpost/keel of maximum 2" thick...
Looking for proper wooden stuff...but that for sure would not be CHIMAERA...Some nice steam picket boat could fit.
See VIGILANT by MHB - very similar to the subject - with incorporated steel stem and stern...
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: Mark T on March 24, 2018, 02:25:47 AM
Hi Engineman the brass strip is purely to protect the bottom of the keel when the model is in the water. Once painted it will not be seen and neither will the wood contruction of the boat
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: Engineman on March 24, 2018, 02:36:15 AM
...to protect the bottom of the keel when the model is in the water...


Hi Mark,
It is clear - yes, the same is relevant to full scale pratice...but for wooden-built ships.
CHIMAERA - is a steel-built boat - look at pictures above...keel thickness could be clearly seen...
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on March 24, 2018, 03:21:34 PM
Engineman,

I guess I am confused.   Are you opposed to adding the brass to the bottom of the keel?

Is it because you feel it will throw it out of scale?

Please elaborate.

Thanks
Jim
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: Engineman on March 24, 2018, 03:50:57 PM
Hi Jim,
First of all - sorry for getting in like bull into a china shop...
Regretfully I cannot shrink the pictures to post it here - maybe it may have sense to send them to you via e-mail? Then well have a proper background for discussion and better understanding of the things.
In general - Im opposing to the thickness of the stem/keel/sternpost which shall not exceed 2mm in your case. For sure it depends on what youre intending to reproduce - steel hull of the full-scale prototype or something different...
Cheers,
Roman

Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on March 24, 2018, 06:10:43 PM
Roman,
Thanks for the insight -
I sent you a PM.

-------------------
The plans and info on the build call for a 3mm keel.
And I am hoping to faithfully reproduce the steel hull.
Although I might not go all the way to the rivets.

So I know the keel depth will require a bit of adjusting (sanding)
if I add the brass to the edge.   I have a piece that is 1/8th x 1/4 inch x 48 inches long.
and I thought to use that.  No decision yet. 

Regards,
Jim Pope
 
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: Engineman on March 24, 2018, 07:54:15 PM
Jim,
Have sent you a e-mail with some pictures.
Well, probably 1/8 (~3mm) thick brass piece could fit the purpose (i.e. to be used for sternpost/keel/stem). Thou from my opinion - 2mm shall fit better.
As for rivets - their heads typically could be seen for stem/stern joints only, for the rest-flush riveting was typically used.
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on March 24, 2018, 10:37:06 PM
Roman,
Thanks for the pics.  I understand what you are saying.

I tossed around the concept of making this build a "wooden hull" -
then I figured out that the building instructions and materials are
for a Painted "Steel hull" and infact the Bow and stern are carved from solid
balsa wood. -

Just goes to show how far the kits have evolved. 

Regards,
Jim
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: Engineman on March 25, 2018, 04:58:17 PM

Hi Jim,
It is good to hear that for now were at the same page  :-))   
.
In your message you was a bit complaining about lack of references for the full-scale prototype...
Well, in this regards the CHIMAERA seems to be a very thankful subject - since several tens of this class of steam ships were built, and at least two of those even survived to our days.
One - is mentioned revenue cutter VIGILANT; and the other - SY CAROLA.
SY CAROLA - is very similar in many ways to pilot cutter CHIMAERA.
Will send you some pictures - which are showing the details of CAROLAs steel hull structure and the manner of fitting for the hull plating to the stem and keel pieces.
Thence, my advice will be to cut off completely all the projecting parts of the keel and stem (which are extremely thick) and replace them with ones - to be made of flat brass profile of 2-3mm thick. Sternpost and rudder blade - shall be adjusted accordingly.

Kind rgds,
Roman
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: ooyah/2 on March 25, 2018, 11:07:47 PM
Hi J.P.


When you started the thread on your pilot boat it some how rang a bell as the boat seamed some what familiar, it wasn't until  Roman mentioned S.Y. Carola that the light came on.


The S.Y.Carola was berthed at the Scottish Maritime museum at Irvine in Ayrshire about 40 mils from where I live Here is the Link ( [size=78%]https://www.flickr.com/photos/scottishmaritimemuseum/sets/72157625991641603/ ) some years ago 3 off my [/size]club mates[size=78%] and I went down to [/size]visit[size=78%] [/size]that[size=78%] Museum and the S.Y. Carola was berthed there and you could walk on for a small fee.[/size]

[size=78%]I believe it has now been lifted from the water along with Spartan a Clyde Puffer and is being displayed outside the main [/size]exhibition[size=78%] area.[/size]

[size=78%]The above link gives loads of pics that may be of help in your build.  There is much more info if you Google The Scottish Maritime Museum that you may pic up some thoughts on your Pilot boat.[/size]

[size=78%]George. [/size]
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: JimG on March 26, 2018, 10:01:08 AM
The S.Y Corola is now on land outside the main museum building. This was necessary as there are now a number of holes in the plating especially in the keel area. There is also a problem with the wooden deck which leaks and is beginning to rot. These are some photos I took last year. The hull shows some later modifications made to improve handling, there is a bow thruster and small auxiliary drives each side of the hull at the stern. There are no props fitted to these at present to stop them being stolen.
Jim
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: steamboatmodel on March 26, 2018, 03:37:30 PM

Are the axillary drives at the stern and the bow thruster Electric ?
Gerald.
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: JimG on March 26, 2018, 06:13:24 PM
Are the axillary drives at the stern and the bow thruster Electric ?
Gerald.
They are not electric, I was talking to one of the workers at the museum and he said they are powered by their own steam engines. They were fitted at some point pre war, I can't remember just when he said they were fitted.
Jim
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: southsteyne2 on March 27, 2018, 12:36:46 AM
Hi Jim forget about brass keels at this stage as I would be more concerned about the frame integrity so perhaps a solid base and blocks to prevent movement (love the pics George
Cheers
John
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on March 27, 2018, 04:48:59 AM
Everyone,

Thanks for all the pics and the advice.

Before I start the actual planking, I am going to follow the lead of
Mark T and work on the mountings for the engine and steam plant.

I started by just seeing how the initial fit was, and it became immediately
apparent that I have some changes to make.

Thanks,
Jim
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: ooyah/2 on March 27, 2018, 09:29:59 AM
Hi Jim forget about brass keels at this stage as I would be more concerned about the frame integrity so perhaps a solid base and blocks to prevent movement (love the pics George
Cheers
John


Hi John,
Yes the pics are excellent but I can't take the credit for them as they were taken  by JimG from ( Dundee) the show what a fine fared hull that the original has.


George.
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: ooyah/2 on March 27, 2018, 09:33:23 AM
Everyone,

Thanks for all the pics and the advice.

Before I start the actual planking, I am going to follow the lead of
Mark T and work on the mountings for the engine and steam plant.

I started by just seeing how the initial fit was, and it became immediately
apparent that I have some changes to make.

Thanks,
Jim


Hi JP,
Good decision as it's much more difficult if all the docking is on, you would need midgets to get into some of the places to fit radio gear and other  ansillaries.
As the hull has such a fine bow a brass strep can be fitted later.


George.
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: southsteyne2 on March 27, 2018, 10:54:32 PM
Hi All after the model is planked and removed from the building board there is plenty room for permanent fittings engine and boiler mountings etc before adding the decking and superstucture ,don't want to get into a concern but this method has been accepted practice and ensures a straight hull and easier to plank
Cheers
John.
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on March 28, 2018, 02:21:56 AM
Hello again,

Here is the plan:
1. Fit (not install) the Engine and Boiler.  Putting in any additional support,
and cutting back to get the boiler as low as possible. Install mounting studs for
the brass plates, etc.

2. Then with an "empty" hull, proceed to plank and finish the outside to a "Steel" finish.

3. When appropriate install the running gear.

So taking this little bit of time to make sure I can fit in the steam plant will make it easier
to actually install it when the time comes.

Regards,
Jim
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on August 21, 2018, 03:03:01 AM
OK,  Time to get back in the shop.I took some time off to work on a few projects around the house,
and then the Grandkids came for a month.
I am now back at it. 

Starting to plank.  Mounted it up-side down, secured to the base I am using.measuring everything to keep a straight keel.
So here is the starting point.
Thanks for reading.Jim
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on August 22, 2018, 03:08:09 AM
After a lot of measurements and study,I determined that I needed to add some shims to make sure that
I did not end up with a wavy bottom.
So I got some thin pieces of basswood and built up the bottom of the
frames to bring each to the same point on the keel.
Thanks for reading,Jim
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: rhavrane on August 22, 2018, 09:36:02 PM
Bonjour James,
You did a great job even if I would have imagined couples a little bit thinner  :-))
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on August 23, 2018, 04:01:49 AM
Thanks Raphael,
I think the translation is a bit off.If by "couples" you mean Frames, then I will explain that they are1/4 inch thick, and were provided in the kit - precut, but not in a final shape.
Now that I have the frames shimmed and sanded, it is time to work on theplanks. 

The kit comes with a pretty complete manual that lays out a technique for
planking the hull.
I measured along each frame, from keel to the deck line.Starting in the middle on the widest frame.
I determined how many of the planks would fill the space.  (18)

Then I measured along each of the other frames, and divided by 18this gave me how wide each plank must be at that point.I marked all the planks, and cut them, tapering to each end.
I ordered a clothes steamer to build a steam tube for the planks.It arrives tomorrow.   

Thanks for reading-Jim PopeDenver, CO USA






Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: rhavrane on August 23, 2018, 08:05:39 AM
Bonjour James,
Sorry for the translation, sometimes I loose my poor English vocabulary and thank you to have taken time to explain me the reason  of the size of the frames.
How will you stick the planks ? I used to fix them with little points but a friend prefers clamps, more difficult to my opinion.
To remove the little holes made by the points, I was advised to gently wet them with water to inflate the wood.
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on August 27, 2018, 04:42:09 AM
Raphael,
This hull will be finished as "Steel" and therefore will have lots of fillers and sanding before the paint.The kit includes a supply of very small brass pins to be used in the gluing process. The instructionsdiscuss the fact that during the sanding, filling, and sanding again, the pins will get sanded down.
I built a steamer from a $50.00 (USD) clothing steamer, where I cut off the head and then got some
plastic drain pipe with caps on the ends.  Drilled a hole for the steam tube and then steamed the planksfor about an hour. 

Took the damp, steamed planks and fit them to the frame using pushpins and a couple of clamps.Let that dry overnight and them glued them to the frame, using the pin-holes for the brass pins.
Here are the pics of the process.
Thanks for reading,Jim PopeDenver, CO USA



Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: rhavrane on August 27, 2018, 05:18:50 PM
Bonjour James,
This is definetly the tool of a pro  :-))  When you evoke a "steel" finish, I would have imagined a riveted one like on my tug Tenace: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm_betjQHoI  and besides this, to my opinion, it does not make sense to make a perfect yacht like hull for a working boat which spends its time bumping into other boats.
Other point, welding appeared with WW2, are you sure yor boat is of that time ? Welding was not mastered , we could see the retraction of the metal !
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: rob on August 27, 2018, 06:36:35 PM
Watching this thread with much interest, I have the same kit
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on August 27, 2018, 07:42:05 PM
Thanks all for the encouragement.
Steamed another 10 planks, 5 on each side.Pinned and drying overnight.
More to come.

Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on September 01, 2018, 03:19:15 AM
Planking is progressing.Approaching the deck line. 
 More to come.

Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: SailorGreg on September 01, 2018, 07:27:54 AM
Nice hull Jim. It's a really satisfying feeling when those final planks go on and you have a complete hull isn't it? All those lovely compound curves and elegant lines. I'm enjoying following your progress.  :-))


Greg
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: rhavrane on September 01, 2018, 09:52:20 AM
Bonjour James,
I have to change my glasses, I had not noticed the pins while writing my previous message  :}  Besides this, how will you finish the planking at the bow and stern levels?
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on September 05, 2018, 04:35:10 AM
Now that I have finished the planking, I can see how I made some wrong assumptions.When I laid out the planks, I computed the taper based upon measurements I made usinga flexible rule or tape.  I assumed a smooth taper, but in reality I should have laid it out better.
So I needed to "stitch in" some misc pieces in order to fill in the gaps.
Then the bow and stern are crafted using blocks of balsa. 
I roughed them out, and then glued them into place.
Then I worked them with a rasp and got the bow to about 80%.
The stern will come next.
Thanks for reading,Jim

Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: rhavrane on September 05, 2018, 08:03:45 AM
Bonjour James,
[/size]it seems so obvious when the job is done  ok2
[/size]I like balsa too because it is easy to work with but it is fragile, I guess you will protect it with a thicker fiberglass and and epoxy resin.
[/size]For information; one of my hulls was buit as yours, and, with the heat of this summer, despite paint and resin, it has cracked along the vertical join line  {:-{
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: Landlocked on September 06, 2018, 03:21:05 AM
Looks good.  I don't know how many "cheater" planks I fitted to my Sabino.  My hull is way too smooth for a working boat.  The plank seams have disappeared under the filler and the paint.


Landlocked.
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on September 07, 2018, 04:18:18 AM
I have kept working on the stern.

Managed to impale one of my fingers,oh well, I have 9 more.  ok2
Thanks for following.
Jim
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on September 11, 2018, 02:48:26 AM
Kept on carving and sanding.
Then I applied a liberal coating of Wood Filler.
Needed to wait 48 hours for it to dry,so I turned my attention to cladding the boiler.
Then sanding - sanding - sanding.
Not done yet, more sanding and filling to go.
Thanks for reading,Jim
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on September 13, 2018, 02:51:26 AM
OK,It is getting smoother.Now using "spot putty" for the fine cracks.
JP
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: SailorGreg on September 13, 2018, 09:12:02 AM
Looking better and better Jim. I always take a childish delight in spraying on the first coat of primer which transforms the rather messy collection of filler and wood (and the occasional blood stain  :embarrassed: ) into a smooth, sleek boat hull. Enjoying your build!


Greg
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on September 13, 2018, 11:28:32 PM
Thanks for the encouragement.
I have completed the sanding/filling/sanding/filling/sanding.
The instructions call for multiple layers of sanding sealer to
waterproof the hull.  I have decided to fiberglass it. 
     
1.  I am not real comfortable with how well I may have closed up all the gaps.2.  If I glass the inside, I still have a potential for a lot of water soaking the hull from the outside.
So I asked a fellow clubmember to help me - (I have never done this either)
He is a submariner, and fiberglasses his sub hulls (they sink - but under his control)
 and we are getting together this weekend.

I'll post more when we do this.
Thanks for reading,
Jim




Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on September 14, 2018, 04:30:15 AM
So -  What color scheme to use to paint it?
The Chimaera had two lives (at least)  When first launched in 1901she was the private yacht of the commodore of the Southampton Yacht Club.
In 1917 she was sold to Barry Pilots to ferry pilots to and from ships.
As a working vessel she has been portrayed much like the working vesselsshown earlier in this log.  Black with red anti-fouling below the waterline.
But during her life as a private yacht, what color would she have been?
I am thinking perhaps white?   
What color below the waterline?
Any thoughts?
Thanks for reading.Jim





 
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: rhavrane on September 14, 2018, 06:56:39 AM
Bonjour James,
Lot of boats are black and red, I have several ones painted like that, it is nice but not original. To my opinion, a private yacht could be white (example) : https://www.google.fr/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.noblesseetroyautes.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F06%2Faunnamed13.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.noblesseetroyautes.com%2Freportage-une-heure-sur-le-dannebrog%2F&docid=fZhtDKN-f9nNMM&tbnid=p59-KLZcofTPHM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwjS96yf57ndAhWKxoUKHebZC1sQMwg9KAAwAA..i&w=500&h=334&bih=505&biw=1093&q=yacht%20reine%20d%27angleterre&ved=0ahUKEwjS96yf57ndAhWKxoUKHebZC1sQMwg9KAAwAA&iact=mrc&uact=8 (https://www.google.fr/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.noblesseetroyautes.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F06%2Faunnamed13.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.noblesseetroyautes.com%2Freportage-une-heure-sur-le-dannebrog%2F&docid=fZhtDKN-f9nNMM&tbnid=p59-KLZcofTPHM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwjS96yf57ndAhWKxoUKHebZC1sQMwg9KAAwAA..i&w=500&h=334&bih=505&biw=1093&q=yacht%20reine%20d%27angleterre&ved=0ahUKEwjS96yf57ndAhWKxoUKHebZC1sQMwg9KAAwAA&iact=mrc&uact=8)
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Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: Baldrick on September 14, 2018, 09:36:12 AM
So -  What color scheme to use to paint it?
The Chimaera had two lives (at least)  When first launched in 1901she was the private yacht of the commodore of the Southampton Yacht Club.
In 1917 she was sold to Barry Pilots to ferry pilots to and from ships.
As a working vessel she has been portrayed much like the working vesselsshown earlier in this log.  Black with red anti-fouling below the waterline.
But during her life as a private yacht, what color would she have been?
I am thinking perhaps white?   
What color below the waterline?
Any thoughts?
Thanks for reading.Jim




    I assume that in 1901 the Commodore of the Southampton Yacht Club was the Marquis of Ailsa . The current Marquis has a new yacht design on the board. I wonder if the colour is a repeat of Chimaera ?  Perhaps drop him a line and ask him.


http://www.trippdesign.net/design/on-the-boards/45m-concept-classic-schooner (http://www.trippdesign.net/design/on-the-boards/45m-concept-classic-schooner)
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: Baldrick on September 14, 2018, 03:57:30 PM
As a point of interest the steam Yacht Andrea built by the Marquis yard (Ailsa Shipbuilding Co) launched 1897 must be Chimaera's sister ?


see.       https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ailsa_Shipbuilding_Company#/media/File:Steam_Yacht_Andria_1897_-_Scientific-american-v77-n02-1897-07-10_0007.jpg
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on September 15, 2018, 03:37:01 AM
The Chimaera was launched on April 20, 1901 from the Woolston Yard of Mordey & Carney.
The original owner was Colonel the Honorable H.G.L.Chrichton commodore of the Royal Southern Yacht Squadron.Now the Royal Southern Yacht Club in Southhampton.
She was purchased by Barry Pilots in 1918. 

A FAVOR - From this side of the pond, my searches pull up limited information.If anyone can find out anything related to her, I would greatly appreciate hearing from you.
I am still thinking over the color, but we have to glass the hull first.

Thanks for reading,Jim

Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: Baldrick on September 15, 2018, 01:54:51 PM



  I think you have pulled up a lot more information than I have been able to discover over here, and I have been looking for a long time as I have 2/3 of a John Hemmens kit for the Chimaera which I want to get round to sometimes. Only things I have been able to unearth are


The yard was then idle until the yacht building firm, J.G. Fay and Co (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J.G._Fay_and_Co) of Northam, Southampton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northam,_Southampton), expanded their business and took over the Woolston yard in 1897. That venture was also financially unsuccessful, so J.G. Fay and Co (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J.G._Fay_and_Co) sought joint ownership with Mordey Carney and Co. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordey_Carney_and_Co.) in 1899.

Colonel the Hon HGL Crichton owned Netley Castle which is just up the road from the shipyard.

In June 1904 John I. Thornycroft & Company (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_I._Thornycroft_%26_Company) relocated to Woolston from Chiswick (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiswick) where it acquired the shipyard from Mordey Carney and Co. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordey_Carney_and_Co.).[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Woolston,_Southampton#cite_note-Rance-3)
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: Baldrick on September 15, 2018, 03:53:58 PM



  I don't know if worth pursuing but the county council for Barry ( Vale of Glamorgan Council) hold on record:-

 
Barry Pilotage Authority, 1889-1974 DXSS/1-13, DX892  The Record Office holds the records relating to the Barry Pilotage Authority,
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on September 17, 2018, 12:22:35 AM
I started the glassing of the exterior, working under the excellent tutelage of my fellow model maker.
Using resin and hardener from West Systems.  3 oz. cloth.  I see a lot more sanding in my future.Cleaning up the outside, and then moving on to the inside for placement of anchors for the steam plant.Then primer and paint. 

Here are some more pics.
Baldrick,
I emailed the Royal Southern Yacht Club.
We will see if they respond with any information.
Thanks for reading,
Jim


 
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on September 27, 2018, 04:02:27 AM
More Sanding - getting the hull to the point where I can
start working with filler/sandable primer.


Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on September 27, 2018, 04:23:04 AM
Switching back to the insides.
Finished the mounts for the Boiler and Engine.And built a Condenser Tank.

Finally re-positioned the whistle - at least until the deck goes on
and I see how things line up.
More to come -
Thanks for reading.

Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: rhavrane on September 27, 2018, 07:57:52 AM
 Bonjour James,

I have the same steam machine in my tug "Vient de Loin" and have discovered a problem with the position of the oil lubricator. It is is front of the steam flow and does not operate. I changed it and put one between the boiler and the machine to solve it.
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on September 28, 2018, 03:21:22 AM
Raphael,
I understand your concern.  I have had this engine for a couple of years now,and was a skeptic at first that the position of the oiler was wrong.
But I find oil in the condenser, and water in the tank of the oiler, so something seems to be working. 

I did experiment at first with how many turns to open the needle valve.
---------------------   
As to my build, I am now working on the layout of the RC componentsand setting up linkages. 

Next I need to get the oil tube attached to the driveshaft-stuffing tube.and move on to glassing the interior of the hull.

More to come -
Thanks for reading.
Jim PopeDenver, Colorado USA


 

Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: derekwarner on September 28, 2018, 03:36:21 AM
Jim.....I think it's all in the translation from Raphael  :o


Clearly you will get wetted & condensed oil in the de-oiler, however I understand most steam throttle/regulators function is protected with the same mist of oil if the lubricator is installed in the steam line just before the steam throttle/regulator

Derek
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on September 28, 2018, 03:51:26 AM
Derek,
If there is oil in the Condenser Tank (on the exhaust side)
I am assuming that the oil is making it thru the engine,which would include the steam throttle. 

Is this not true? 

Jim
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: ooyah/2 on September 28, 2018, 09:20:52 AM
Derek,
If there is oil in the Condenser Tank (on the exhaust side)
I am assuming that the oil is making it thru the engine,which would include the steam throttle. 

Is this not true? 

Jim


Yes Jim, absolutely true.
When I run my St Tug which has a D10 engine  I only open the oil lubricator needle 1/4Turn which is more than enough for the engine.
I have seen people emptying condensate from the oil collector which is heavy with oil and a complete waste of oil.


Keep up the good work,


George.
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on September 30, 2018, 05:20:50 AM
I continued to work on the mounts for the Steam Plant and RC Servos.
Then I removed them at start glassing the interior of the hull.
While that is drying, I touched up the cladding on the boiler,Then I painted the Condenser tank.
Finally I insulated all the steam lines.
Letting it all dry overnight.
Thanks for reading.Jim
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on October 01, 2018, 12:02:03 AM
added another layer of epoxy,
Then I added some additional heat shielding for the area around the burner.

Need to let it all cure for a day.

Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on October 02, 2018, 03:27:36 AM
Finally -

Starting to paint.
Primer first.
More to come.
Jim
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: steamboatmodel on October 02, 2018, 03:39:28 PM
added another layer of epoxy,
Then I added some additional heat shielding for the area around the burner.

Need to let it all cure for a day.

Heat shielding for the area around the burner is a very good idea. I had one Launch which sprung a leak in the gas line which then caught fire. It was directed at the side of the boat and burned half way through the side before we recovered it. A gas shutoff valve is also a good idea.
Gerald.
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: Baldrick on October 02, 2018, 03:44:50 PM
Makes a good bird feeder.
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on October 04, 2018, 03:51:07 AM
Finally -

The hull is ready for building -
Meaning it is at the same place it would be
if it had been a GRP/Fiberglass hull to begin with.
Only took about six months to get here.Alright, there were some delays.But I now fully appreciate the pre-built hulls.
And I have much more respect for those that only build POF.
So - now that I have the hull finished, time to start on the
part of the build that makes my wife wonder why I did notbuild my girls doll houses.
Thanks for reading,More to come.Jim PopeDenver, COUSA
 
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: Neil on October 04, 2018, 07:33:41 PM
Makes a good bird feeder.



makes an even nicer steam launch!! O0
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on October 07, 2018, 12:06:49 AM
Moving on to prepping for the decks.
I fitted the stern deck and rudder tube. 
Then I started building the rudder.   
Milled out a groove.  Then I Roughed up a brass rodand epoxied it into the groove.  Once it cures I willsmooth it and add some banding.
The Lower end of the rudder is captured by a
piece of tube soldered to a band.
Thanks for reading.
Jim

 
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on October 08, 2018, 02:20:36 AM
Mounted
Now to start on the decks.

Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: southsteyne2 on October 10, 2018, 12:40:38 AM
Looking good so keep up the good work :-)) Cheers
John
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on October 26, 2018, 03:12:20 AM
Got back to work.
Starting on the decks. 

In the bow I packed in some foam.Then glued down the deck.

Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on October 26, 2018, 03:32:57 AM
Then the Stern Deck area.
It has a removable section to
gain access to servos and the receiver.

I also had to re-plumb some pieces tokeep the important parts accessible.
I also had to anneal some of the tubing a couple of timesso I could re-bend the gas piping in order to get theregulator under the deck,
More to come.Jim
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on October 26, 2018, 03:36:15 AM
A closeup of the steam plant.

Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: derekwarner on October 26, 2018, 04:34:09 AM
Hi Jim....all progressing well  :-))


In today's postings, we see the gas regulator adjustment wheel [axis] re-positioned from both the vertical and the horizontal


Will you be able to remove the gas tank for each refilling?
What brand of manufacture is this regulator?...is it a Bix supply?


Will be very interested to find the regulation results.......


Derek
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: rhavrane on October 26, 2018, 08:18:54 AM
Bonjour James,
Sorry to repeat it, based on my experience, the oil lubricator is not in the steam flow and did not correctly lubricate my Microcosm machine (the same as you have which is installed in my tug "Vient de loin"). Thank you in advance to let us know if you note the same issue or not.
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: JimG on October 26, 2018, 12:05:05 PM
Got back to work.
Starting on the decks. 

In the bow I packed in some foam.Then glued down the deck.
Did you use open or closed cell foam for the packing?If it is open celled it will soak up any water that might get into the bows retaining dampness which is not good for a wooden hull.
Jim
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on October 26, 2018, 11:05:13 PM
Thank you everyone for your comments.
Derek,
In the vertical position, the future deck was impacted, so I rotated it 90 degrees.It is a BIX from Forest Classics - I have used one of theirs in each of my crafts.
The literature states that orientation is not a factor.

The tank stays in the boat.  OK, I KNOW SOME OF YOU WILL GIVE DIRE WARNINGS ABOUT EXPLOSIONS.however, even though there is a risk, once the deck and rigging is in place, I think I risk greater damage to having toput the tank in and out. 

The tank, like my boiler, came from Mike Abbott or Macsteam.  I think it is one of his last.  I have another from himin my other boat and it stays in as well.
So - in my own defense - I have procedures that mitigate the risks of gas accumulation in the hull. 
1. I fill the tank first, when I am servicing the boiler and engine.2. Then I fill the boiler, oil the engine cups, fill the lubricator, etc - all this takes 5-10 minutes.3. lastly I take a straw and blow air around the cockpit.
I still have my eyebrows  ok2
Raphael -
I fully understand your concern.  I think it looks goofy also.BUT - I find water in the lubricator after running for 15 min.AND I find some oil in the exhaust condenser also.
I did have to open the valve about 2 full turns. 
But since the only source of oil is the lubricator,
it seems to be working. 


Jim -

It is CLOSED CELL.  I can see where putting a sponge up there
would not be high on a list of good ideas.

Thanks again to all for reading.
Regards,Jim PopeDenver, COUSA








Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: southsteyne2 on October 27, 2018, 12:43:13 AM
Hi Jim looking real good ,may I suggest you completely seal the bow section to stop water ingress or more important Gas accumulation ,keep up the good work bet you can't wait to fire it up also a little tip to work out the ballast ,just grab a set of bathroom scales and put the model in the water ,place the scales on the deck and push down to required water level and note the weight  O0 Cheers
John
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: rhavrane on October 28, 2018, 03:21:40 PM
Bonjour,
Once again based on my experience, I would say to my own opinion of course that James's gas process is correct. If a gas circuit has to fail, it will do it during the first heating process of the boiler. Personally, I never take my tanks off the hulls but control everything with my lighter if there is a leak (*).


After ten years of navigations, I have known only two fires and they occured twice on the table. My last one occured a few weeks ago with one of my new boats, first test, and it was the RC safety gas valve which started leaking !!! Hopefully, I stopped easily the gas at the valve tank level.
The result : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNTjVqbhezs


This is bad luck but besides this exception, I go on sharing that to y opinion a RC safety gas valve is mandatory, I have seen two boats
completely burning till the waterline in the middle of a pond because there was no one to stop the gas when smoke appeared. Sorry, no video this time.


(*) Please keep in mind that gas burns when mixed at 7 to 15 % with air and is heavier than air. It can possibly explode when confined in a close space, otherwise it just creat a large flame. As there are a lot of access to air even in a closed hull, thepossible risk is the fire, not the explosion.


When the tank is full, the excess is eliminated of the hull by blowing it. A major leak is quickly identified, the little ones always occur when everything is finally installed, generally identified during the first test in "real life", not on the bench. As there is generally no room for a soap test with bubbles eveywhere, and as if there is a leak, it is small, the ligher will light it without danger as soon as the control is repeated regularly after the boiler starts heating.
And when a gas circuit is correct, if no one touchs it, it does not fail later.

Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: Mark T on October 28, 2018, 03:41:48 PM
Hi Jim - I have really been enjoying your build its coming on very nicely and everything seems laid out very well too.  I take Raphael's point about the gas valve and in many ways he is quite correct.  However another builder and friend of mine has never ever fitted a gas valve and has never had any issues either in very many years.  Gas accumulation is obviously very dangerous but as adults we must do what we feel is right for our own builds.  Who's right - well who knows; its down to experience and risk assessment but either way please keep the updates coming as its a very enjoyable build log.
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on November 05, 2018, 05:04:29 AM
Thanks for all the comments and encouragements.
I have had to move inside for the winter. 
Finally got back to the build.
First on my list was to add a layer of "diamond plate"under the engine to catch oil.


Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on November 05, 2018, 05:09:41 AM
I also decided the entire rear deck should be removable.But not under normal use, only when fully stripping the boat down for maintenance.


Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on November 05, 2018, 05:23:42 AM
Now to the main deck.
Started fitting the deck to the hull.I needed to cut away a little bit around the plumbing,
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on November 12, 2018, 03:23:41 AM
Moved inside for the winter.
Continued to add framing for the side decks.
If my day job slows down, I'll get to the point of actuallyattaching the pieces.
Here are some pics.
More to come,Jim
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on November 21, 2018, 03:58:35 AM
I took some time to do some priming of the interior,
just getting some paint on parts and pieces to helpseal it up. 
 
Then I finally attached the decks. 
First the sides, Then  built the frame for the removable sectionand added the deck to that. 
Still need to cut out some of the framework to allow deck penetration.
Slowly but surely - it is coming together.
Thanks for reading,Happy Thanksgiving

Jim PopeDenver, CO
USA
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: derekwarner on November 21, 2018, 06:14:26 AM
Always watching %)  on Jim......just make sure the boiler burner has plenty  of air for good combustion


We know of your time honored yearly 4th weekend of November celebration of Thanksgiving,so wish you safe & well in these troubled World times...maybe best to keep the dogs inside as they don't like fireworks


Derek
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on November 22, 2018, 07:02:13 PM
Derek,
The holiday with the most fireworks is our July 4 - Independence Day celebration. And we do keep the
girls in the house, usually with music playing - to mask the noise.  We have a number of large displays
within a couple of miles of us. 

The only fireworks around Thanksgiving are those caused by our illustrious president shooting his mouth off. 

Did you know that Thanksgiving is celebrated down your way? -"In the Australian external territory (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States_and_territories_of_Australia) of Norfolk Island (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norfolk_Island), Thanksgiving is celebrated on the last Wednesday of November, similar to the preWorld War II (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II) American observance on the last Thursday of the month. This means the Norfolk Island observance is the day before or six days after the United States' (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) observance. The holiday was brought to the island by visiting American whaling (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whaling) ships."    (from Wikipedia)
Usually we have a very busy house - 17 for Dinner, 5 dogs underfoot.   
This year all my kids took a week vacation out of country, Mexico, Bahamas,  and Thailand. 
And left all their dogs with us,  so it is just my Bride and I ( and all the damn mutts)   ok2
Thanks for your comments, I value your opinions - and those from others on this forum as well.   
Regards to all,
Jim
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: derekwarner on November 22, 2018, 08:43:26 PM
Morning Jim........in mainland Australia, we see a few Americanisms creeping in........Halloween is now publicized by the media to the point where all of our major shopping chains [Coles & Woolworths] market all of the required 1/2 pumpkin heads & the like to scare any 1/2 wit silly enough to answer their front door


When we were kids, we had never heard of Halloween, but with the ever changing shrinking voice of the world naturally consumerism takes over


You will certainly have a full house for your Thanksgiving :-)) 


I must not comment on your Political Master.....[but only to say his worldly aspirations have decimated my hard earned Superannuation value levels] >>:-(


Derek
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on December 27, 2018, 03:11:07 AM
Took a little time off. 
Now back to the build.
I finished fitting the roof of the engine room to the deck,
had to cut a number of opening for fittings.
Then I built the skylights.  Reading ahead in the manual,it looks like I have to build a number of deck elements next.
I found that these old hands were staring to cramp up whilecutting out windows and doors with an Xacto Knife. 

So I took a Die-Filer that I made a few years ago and modified it to
accept a Jig-Saw blade.   Other than having to be careful, as the blade cuts on the
"up-stroke" -  It saves a lot of time.
So here are some pics.
Happy Holidays to all,Jim PopeDenver, CO USA

Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on December 27, 2018, 03:13:13 AM
Oh yeah -
The pics ---
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on January 01, 2019, 02:00:07 AM
Continuing on with the Cabin.
Happy New Year
Jim
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on January 02, 2019, 04:56:57 AM
Actually glued the cabin together.Floor and roof next.

Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on January 13, 2019, 02:35:38 AM
More Deck Features.
A Bench,Forward and Stern Companionways.Skylights




Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: Mark T on January 13, 2019, 12:28:49 PM
Looking very nice Jim top job  :-))
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on January 14, 2019, 12:53:59 AM
Here is a pic of the rear companionway entry.
Also the Mast Boots -
Since the masts will "fold over" to get access to the
interior of the hull, the pivot points needed to line up right.
When all was painted, I added a layer of epoxy to add strength.
Finally, here is the rough placement on deck.
More to come,Thanks for reading,Jim
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on January 21, 2019, 03:54:25 AM
Our local TV station stopped by our club meeting.Shot some footage and interviewed us for a
special on "Colorado Characters" -

Enjoy-
https://youtu.be/xHS-8O4Nsik
All done with the Deck furniture and fixtures -
Time to plank.
Regards,Jim PopeDenver, CO USA


Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: Mark T on January 21, 2019, 06:08:28 PM
Hi Jim what an excellent film I enjoyed it and its good to put a face to a name too  :-)
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: derekwarner on January 21, 2019, 09:07:43 PM
Thanks Mark T......I was going to respond along similar lines, however mentioning that Jim does not look like any of his family what so ever  {-)


[Jim will get my drift  O0 ]


Derek
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on January 22, 2019, 03:47:58 AM
Thanks both of you.
BTW - Here are the family members Derekwas talking about . . .
Regards,Jim
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on February 03, 2019, 11:52:01 PM
Not quite ready to start planking.
Still finishing up the little bits.
Also took the time to pre-make some grating.
Regards,Jim
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: SailorGreg on February 04, 2019, 05:57:27 PM
Your buckets are great Jim.  Well, it's all pretty good actually.  Coming along nicely.
Greg

Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: Moxis on February 05, 2019, 06:56:42 AM
Nice work you make there Jim! Could you explain how do you make those gratings?
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on February 07, 2019, 02:37:05 AM
the grill were assembled from a pileof individual identical pieces.
See pic
Jim
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on February 07, 2019, 02:59:47 AM
OK, I'll admit it.
I did not cut each individual piece.
I got the Gratings/grills from my favorite place.
RBMODEL.COM 

He is located in Poland. Ships all over the world.He has always shipped very quickly.
Hint - click on the picture of the clipper ship to
get to all the interesting parts.
Thanks for reading,Jim

Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: BrianB6 on February 07, 2019, 03:03:02 AM
Cornwall Model Boats stock a number of different sizes.
https://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/cgi-bin/ss000001.pl?RANDOM=NETQUOTEVAR%3ARANDOM&PAGE=SEARCH&SS=gratings+&TB=O&PR=-1&GB=O&SX=0&ACTION=Search&SO=1_3_4_0
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: Martin [Admin] on February 07, 2019, 04:25:09 AM

http://www.rbmodel.com/index.php?action=products&cat=c_ep - (Admin )
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: Moxis on February 07, 2019, 07:28:53 AM
Thanks Jim and Martin. RBM Model seems to be a nice vendor. I have to remember them next time I need gratings or other parts.
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on February 09, 2019, 03:31:27 AM
So - Time to plank the deck.
At 1:24  a typical 15ft plank comes out to 7.5 inches.

I needed to figure out how to plank with something that
resembled the caulking used. 

I chose to "pre-finish" the planks by applying a marker toone side and one end of the the planks after cutting and sanding.
Then just to make sure that the marker would not bleed, I
did a sample and added two coats of finish.(Actually I did that first)
Here are pics.
Thanks for reading,Jim


Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: Mark T on February 09, 2019, 02:47:00 PM
Thats a nice sample of decking there Jim, the marker pen idea looks just about spot on.  I think I'll nick this idea for my build
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: rhavrane on February 09, 2019, 06:29:05 PM
Bonjour Jim,
I would kindly suggest to test this process with varnish because I'm afraid that said varnish does drool pen ink, which would be a shame.
On this example, for his deck, my friend Didier used ebony chopsticks : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hpixv_CHZT4 and another friend used black baper for a thinner dest.
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: Mark T on February 09, 2019, 06:37:23 PM
You need to be very careful when cutting or sanding ebony wood as the dust is very harmful.  Its not a wood that I would want to use inside my home where I build my boats. 


I've started using archival pens for marking out wood as the ink only bleeds very slightly into the wood grain.  Its also ok to varnish over but epoxy resin is even better.  I've had very good results using these pens  :-))
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on February 09, 2019, 08:12:05 PM
Here is the pen I found.If you read the small print on the barrel youcan see where it says it will stand up to 500 deg F.
So I figured it should be able to take anything I subject it to.
Thanks for reading.
Jim

Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: derekwarner on February 09, 2019, 09:07:27 PM
Bonjour Raphael.....

Could you please confirm what the builder is talking about from 4:25 minutes into 5:00 minutes in the video?

I try to understand it is the strength of the vessel bow stempost, however am not sure of the translation

Derek
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: rhavrane on February 10, 2019, 09:06:43 AM
Bonjour Derek,
I do not understand "bow vessel stempost"  :D

Didier explains us that the bow is doubled by a soft "band" made of lead that starts at the waterline and goes to the back of the boat. This band weighs the boat down, which is good for the center of gravity and protects its keel from small shocks.
Did I answer to your question ?
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: derekwarner on February 10, 2019, 09:35:48 AM
Thanks Raphael.....


Yes, with your help, I now understand Didiers words describing the lower part of the bow stem post is doubled by a soft "band" made of lead that starts at the waterline and goes to the back of the boat O0


[and thanks to Jim for allowing  the Off topic text] :-))

Derek
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on February 11, 2019, 02:01:58 AM
Hey Derek,
Its OK to hijack once in a while -
You always give the conversation back.
JP
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on February 14, 2019, 02:54:00 AM
Planking is proceeding.
The ink is bleeding a little.(but the original caulk was  Tar and oakum) 

So far so good.


Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on February 18, 2019, 05:00:15 AM
More planks
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: derekwarner on February 18, 2019, 05:35:00 AM
Following on Jim  %)  ............ & a few questions if I may.....


1. are you using twine or a braided wire for the steering?
2. are you utilizing a number of Jins brass, 4 mm shaft [diameter] toothed pulleys in the drive?
3. are these turn-buckles to take up slackness?


[amazing what he produces.....obviously he will sell individual components ?]


Derek
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on February 19, 2019, 12:52:22 AM
Derek,
1. It is a twine.  I could not find a flexible enough wire braid, although I may change to chain if there is a problem.
2. The pulleys I got from my favorite RBModels in Poland.   I have not seen Jin's version.
3. They are hand made "shock absorbers" - Two pieces of still brass wire with an eye at one end, bent to overlap and compress a spring.    All from the junk drawer.
Thanks,Jim

Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: tghsmith on February 20, 2019, 11:02:16 AM
check in the beading section of craft stores they my have some more flexy cable,, another option is kevlar,, I have a spool of kevlar thread that i use in fly-tying .. it came with a warning about attempting to break it with your fingers,, easy enough to run some in a rope walk to give a thicker version..
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on February 26, 2019, 04:28:26 AM
Finally the decks are planked.
Next comes the finish coats.
As to the use of the marker as "caulk"

Not as good as I would have liked.It bled from the CA glue.
It is a good thing that the real caulk was Oakum and Pitch.
A little more sanding . . .
Thanks for reading,Jim




Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: Mark T on February 26, 2019, 04:54:54 PM
Looks great Jim - what are you going to use to seal and finish the decks?  Finishing epoxy?
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on February 26, 2019, 07:38:15 PM
I have always been a fan of a good varnish. 
I like the penetration and sealing that it provides.
I used to heat it to make it penetrate better. 

Then I moved my shop in doors and the rest of the family objected to all the VOC's.So I switched to a LOW VOC polyurethane - satin, with light sanding between coats, appliedwith a brush first and then a soft cloth.
I have not thought of an epoxy -  When you say "Finishing Epoxy" - can you give me an example of one?I'll look it up.
Thanks,Jim
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: Mark T on February 26, 2019, 07:48:55 PM
Hi Jim - this is the sort of thing


https://www.bucks-composites.com/products/bucks-finishing-epoxy-resin-with-hardener-24-36-hour-cure-time (https://www.bucks-composites.com/products/bucks-finishing-epoxy-resin-with-hardener-24-36-hour-cure-time)


Have a read up on it as its very tough and low odour too. Its usuall applied with an extremely fine cloth which pretty much goes invisible once the resin is on. If you phone Bucks they are very helpful. Mind you try it on something other than your boat first
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on February 27, 2019, 12:42:26 AM
Started the finish on the decks.wanted to get this done before the bulwarks.
More pics.
Thanks,
Jim
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on March 01, 2019, 03:29:50 AM
Time for the bulwarks.
I used a small engineers square to give a point of referencefor the stern.  It helped to find the correct position.
Also started to position the side bulwarks.
More to come,Jim
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: jpdenver on March 03, 2019, 02:44:17 AM
Secured the bulwarks,Now adding stiffeners to the sides.
1. Drill small hole at the edge of the deck.
2. Epoxy the brass rods (3/64 in Dia) in place.    At the same time I applied a small amount of    epoxy thru a syringe and needle to "caulk" the seam.
3. The finished look up close.
4. The full side is done.
Other side tomorrow.
Thanks for reading -

Jim
Title: Re: Chimaera - My fourth build, the first POF.
Post by: Gary LC on March 23, 2019, 09:46:04 AM
Marvon Models in it's day was very good and you are most fortunate to find a kit made by them, I built the North Sea Drifter which was one of their kits and it was a really good looking boat. if you would like to see a few more photographs of the Chimaera, google John Hemmings Steam Engineer, and you will realise what a bargain you have, as his kit costs 1,850.00 well  over $2,000. I am very much into steam and plank on frame boats, but have finally come to terms with the fact it is so much simpler to install into a fibre-glass hull. Your steam plant really looks the business,the engine is not a TVR is it. Regards, Gary.