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Title: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on March 27, 2018, 05:30:05 AM
Well Folks, here we go again.  I completed the USS Ranger CV-4 today and will post completion pictures sometime tomorrow.  This evening, I cracked open the box of the USS Yorktown CV-5, kit by Merit.  The only real flaw in this kit are the scale of the hull plating seam lines, which I have promptly sanded down to minimize.  As provided by the kit, in full scale, they would have protruded away from the hull by a whopping 14".  Otherwise, the kit gets good reviews, has lots of nice cast parts and 5 sheets of PE, for added detail.  There are a number of after market Upscale kits of PE I can tap, if I chose to spend the money.  Seriously planning on taking my time on this project for a ship worthy of my best efforts.  Hope you enjoy following along as much as I will building her.  Cheers! Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: kevin547n on March 27, 2018, 07:13:32 AM
loved your Ranger build, and looking forward to this
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on March 28, 2018, 10:08:13 PM
Yes, love the hull shape on this class carrier.  I am busy now drilling out every porthole on the model.  Probably over 200 of them.  Minus the "eyebrows".... If I really wanted to get with it, there is some upscale PE out there that provides the "eyebrows"... can you imagine positioning and then gluing down each one of those "brows"..... I think I'll pass on this scale.  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on March 31, 2018, 06:36:24 PM
I am nearly finished drilling out over 300 portholes on the hull.  Sanding the hull down to minimize the hull plate joints has effectively removed any evidence of "eyebrows" for my portholes,  So... I ordered a sheet of PE from "Free Time Hobbies" here in the US.  Hoping the ship time of this product from China will come faster. The PE are brass portholes with eyebrows attached, plus a number of variations of portholes closed and covers in the open position that I can use effectively.  From what I have read, these little babies are about 1.2mm and very testy to install... no coffee before is the rule.  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on April 01, 2018, 05:57:53 AM
I just was not paying attention when I put two coats of bottom paint on the hull today.  I grabbed what I thought was my "go to" for bottom paint which is "British Crimson", instead, after getting a nice second coat on, I looked at the bottle and the color I used was "Rust"... the two are almost identical and as a result, I'm a very pleased with my "mistake", but need to pay attention as this build progresses, as it is much more complex than my last build. I stick to Model Master Acryl, a water based enamel and brush on.  Have had very good luck so far with this paint.  Geese... I could I have done that?? :embarrassed:   Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on April 05, 2018, 01:56:40 AM
Dear Folks,  I don't often complain about a product I am working on, as I attempt to do my homework prior to purchase.  I was warned about this Merit kit of the Yorktown as to complexity of instructions  and poor fit quality of parts.  I do have a bit of build experience and just figured that I could overcome any obsticals as they appeared.  Well, it did not take long to run into issue on both accounts, fit and clarity of build instructions.  Merit, at this point get very low marks in my books.  To the point that I would not recommend this kit to anyone for the price.  There is nothing that I can't work through, but there will be some real alignment issues as I move along as its always exponential in error run out and run in.  Very disappointing, as I really like the carrier design itself.  It appears to be simply poor qualtiy control in my books.  So, with that said, the build will progress, as I will try to get my money's worth out of it.  I'll try not to whine too much to you dear folks.  :((  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: derekwarner on April 05, 2018, 02:20:23 AM
Dennis....after reading and watching with interest each or your previous plastic kit builds, I accepted your commentary at face value as made

For you to offer comment on this current Merit kit of the Yorktown, I am sure all members will again accept your comments as constructive and factual to the parts as presented in the kit you are assembling

If your final build score is of a low mark, then this will assist members reading :-)).... I will certainly be reading & watching progress

Again, a photograph with a sentence or caption can say 1000 words :-X

Derek
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on April 05, 2018, 02:49:46 AM
Thank Derek for your understanding.  I'm afraid I just got myself bummed a bit because I enjoy the hobby so much.  When I have to start correcting manufacturers mistakes early in the game, it makes me wonder what is ahead... it might improve.  Lets hope.  Yes indeed, I will provide pictures.  I'm getting ready to post a few of some current issues.  But as always, you folks be the judge.  Regards,  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on April 05, 2018, 03:06:47 AM
Ok, here are a couple of areas of fit problems.  The assembly where the hanger deck bulkheads meet the foredeck was a total fit mess.  I was forced to carve several areas which you can't see now just to make the pieces fit.  This again was an area pointed out by another builder on another forum.  The next is again a fit issue causing gapping at a corner of one of the bulkheads of the hanger deck. Most likely will have to fill that corner in with square stock.  It is placed per plan.  Of course, I won't know the total issue until I attempt to bring in other pieces to that area.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on April 05, 2018, 03:07:20 AM
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Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on April 05, 2018, 03:07:50 AM
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Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: Akira on April 06, 2018, 01:46:38 PM
Dennis,
This mis-fits certainly make for challenges. It is sad to see, because the Merit 1/200 Hornet fits as if it had been machined. You appear to have all well in hand though.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on April 06, 2018, 02:19:14 PM
I guess  I have been spoiled by good quality in the past kits from Trumpeter.  As you say, I will deal with it.  Instaliing foredeck detail now.  Should be getting my PE Eyebrows in the post today, so can start that long and laborous task that will probably make only me happy.  I do enjoy this hobbie.  Build on!   Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on April 06, 2018, 09:32:36 PM
Now, I've got myself into it. Do I really want to do this?  Just got my PE for the porthole with eyebrows in the post.  I've attached a few to see what its like. Using an applicator, I dab a dot of fast glue to the surface, snip out the porthole and with needle tweezers, gently lay the PE on the glued surface.  I've got just a few moments before the glue kicks to move that little "xxxxx" around and then with the other end of the tweezers, I press the PE to the surface and pray.....  I attached several to a bulkhead side and one onto the hull itself.  It is somewhat maddening and I figure that I will have to attach over 350 portholes before I'm finished.  Question is, how will it look painted and will it even be noticable?  Frankly, like many of the small details on these 1/350 scale models, the details go into the overall blur and only I and maybe you folks will even know its there or what it took to get there with the final result being "zero". Some would say that I am a bit crazy.  Thats probably true, but its kind of a fun sort of crazy %%   Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on April 06, 2018, 09:33:06 PM
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Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: Bob K on April 06, 2018, 09:57:01 PM
Incredible  O0  Never, ever, count how many more there are to do. Just concentrate on each one, then the next.
I have enough fun doing 1/96 scale P.E. eyebrows.  This is watchmaking - rather than model making !
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: deadbeat on April 07, 2018, 12:41:03 PM
I had the same dilemma with my 1/700 Flyhawk HMS Naiad. The special addition came with extra PE which included a full set of scuttle rims with rigols, I too thought that they would be lost after painting besides that they were far too small to manage with my shaky hands especially after a coffee lol. The quality of moulding on this kit was so good these extra PE items were superfluous.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: ballastanksian on April 07, 2018, 02:34:35 PM

Cripes! I thought the neighbours had bought a musical clock and then I saw the number of clangers this kit is throwing at you Dennis.


Like with so many of us, the detail is worth it because we know it is there! Of course it all disappears into a blur, but maybe the blur would be more so without them?


As ever, you are pulling some hard yards and will create another marvel in model form even if the kit is a 'xxxxx'. I love looking in and seeing your next bit of work done, it inspires me when I have my moments of MOJO loss.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on April 10, 2018, 04:30:27 PM
more portholes, just keeps going and going... I'll be done next year maybe  :o
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: Akira on April 10, 2018, 05:58:45 PM
Dennis,
 I never had any doubt... you are crazy. In a good way.
Jonathan
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: ballastanksian on April 10, 2018, 07:43:41 PM
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Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on April 10, 2018, 08:03:10 PM
Look closely, it is there.  So far, I've had only two "pings"... where the part went into another dimension or something, never to be found again, if fact, I don't even try to look. {:-{
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: Akira on April 10, 2018, 10:33:38 PM
Dennis,
 I am guessing that you are using CA glue. have you considered or tried Liquid PSA glue. I have not, but it sounds like it might be easier to use than CA for this part odf your build.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on April 10, 2018, 10:53:01 PM
If PSA glue is the stuff I'm thinking it is, it is high in fumes and I can't handle that stuff.  It was clear, thin liquid, with a small brush applicator, came in a glass bottle.  I'd have to wear a respirator if I used that stuff.  Tks for the suggestion.  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: Akira on April 10, 2018, 11:53:59 PM
Dennis,
 I don't think it is. Check out the MicroMart site or search PSA glue. It is a semi slow contact type glue that has a re-position time that may work for you.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on April 11, 2018, 01:43:01 AM
Roger that... looks like a charm.  Does it have strong fumes?
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: Akira on April 11, 2018, 01:08:01 PM
Dennis,
 I have put a feeler out to someone who uses it, but a quick Goggle to the 3M site shows that most PSA's are acrylic based, as is MicroMark's. The other carriers were rubber and silicon. FYI, Sticky Notes use PSA to adhere, yet be moveable. I was thinking that once you paint your hull, the portholes should be fixed. Meanwhile, your ability to place and adjust would be much greater than with CA. I am thinking that you may have to add a fixer to your portholes after you are satisfied with their location, in order to avoid disrupting them when you handle your hull.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: Geoff on April 11, 2018, 01:50:25 PM
It may be too late but what about using clear varnish as a glue for the portholes. I've used this before for small brass letters. You paint the surface with clear varnish then just drop them in place. Because the varnish is wet you even have time to move them around a bit to get then exactly in the right place. Once dry you can paint with matt varnish and it all looks good.


Cheers


Geoff
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on April 11, 2018, 04:33:28 PM
Some good options there gentlemen, tks so much.  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on April 12, 2018, 04:37:37 AM
Dear Folks,  here is an odd question that has me bugged, that I can't seem to find the answer to.  What color are the screw shafts supposed to be?  My color plan from the kit shows them to be black. Every  full size boat that I have owned, the prop shafts are stainless and so they are a silver in color. We are talking about the shafts that are outside the hull.  Tks,  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: derekwarner on April 12, 2018, 06:50:08 AM
Dennis...certainly in the era concerned, 300 Grade Series - Austenitic or non rusting stainless steels would have been used

The screw threads in contact or rotation would have been grease coated but still shiny/polished so silver looking, non contact sections of the  shafts would have been greyish....

Derek
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on April 16, 2018, 03:42:21 AM
Port side porthole/eyebrow PE have been mounted.  140 and took me 3wks?  I just decided to go ahead with the CA for glue.  After doing a few, I worked out a routine and it is surprising how much easier it got to be.  I think I only lost about 4 ports from the Ping Factor.  Ports are mounted up to the Hanger Deck.  I'll paint them up and move on to the STBD side and do the same.  Back in a few weeks with an update.  Build on!  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on April 16, 2018, 03:43:15 AM
oops, forgot the pic.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: ballastanksian on April 16, 2018, 07:29:58 PM
I salute your attention to detail Dennis!
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on April 24, 2018, 09:02:05 PM
Just a quick update.  The STBD side port "brows" have finally been installed and painted. Don't even hardly know they are there.  Now its on to ships guns, .50cal AA, 20mm, 40mm 5".... many to assemble.  I'll have pics when I have something worth taking.  Onward.  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: ballastanksian on April 24, 2018, 09:24:22 PM
Awaiting them with glee Dennis. I am pleased you survived the porthole marathon  %%
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: Bob K on April 24, 2018, 10:19:36 PM
Glad you have withstood the trials of Sisyphus with that endless hill of micro portholes.

I am looking forward to all those guns, although no doubt equally tiny and fiddly. 
You are doing a grand job Dennis  :-))
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on April 26, 2018, 06:08:16 PM
Starting with .50 cal AA guns.  Each gun is two parts, with PE flak shield.  3 colors used on each gun... dark grey on base, black for barrel body and light grey for shield.  Will be making 25 of these little buggers.  It helps to paint on the sprue and even glue the shield on while still on the sprue, then snip off when done.  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on April 26, 2018, 06:08:41 PM
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Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: ballastanksian on April 26, 2018, 07:00:48 PM

 %% Good lord, I wonder why they made it a two part assembly? I cannot see it gives any extra detail as the location area has to be quite large. The separate shield makes sense as the draw n such arts make the shields quite chunky.


Lovely work, I salute your abstinence from coffee for that phase of your build Dennis  :-))
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on April 28, 2018, 04:53:06 AM
First of eight 5" .38cal. AA guns.  Details are a bit funky, but it will do.  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: Akira on April 28, 2018, 02:31:04 PM
Looking good Dennis. You must have a MagniVisor! There is a reason I'm building in 1/48th  :-)
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on April 28, 2018, 05:27:10 PM
Thank you... yes, I use a mag light loop.. couldn't do it without.  At 1/48th, I'd be building outside! :}   Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on April 29, 2018, 10:35:16 PM
5" guns mounted forward.  4 more to make up.  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on April 29, 2018, 10:36:00 PM
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Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on May 02, 2018, 06:07:40 AM
Foredeck Flightdeck framework installed.  Tub of 20mm AA guns installed and Port side of railing in.  I'm really beginning to like the detail that has been put into this kit.  Have to watch fit very carefully... Merit seems to have an issue with fit.  The kit gives me plenty of PE to work with, but I'm debating springing for one or two upscale kits to add a bit more...... I'm sick, I know it.  %%   Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on May 02, 2018, 06:08:07 AM
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Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on May 02, 2018, 06:08:37 AM
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Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: tassie48 on May 02, 2018, 06:33:40 AM
diancast my USS BOGUE CVE9 escort carrier WW2 had the five inch practice reloader on the fore deck under the flight deck and the swinging punching bag hanging from the cross members and the deck was weathered were they punched the bag out have photos of this and was told by the crew it was their as well  just the little detail that is on my CVE9 no doubt your will have some detail they had a army push bike their as well stolen during a port visit some time ago I do like your attention to detail keep up the great work mate tassie48
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: ballastanksian on May 02, 2018, 10:15:26 PM
You are enthusiastic, not sick. Go get them if you fancy. The model is looking really good  :-))
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on May 03, 2018, 09:25:02 PM
Right... ok, I went ahead an ordered a PE sheet for the added Flight Deck detail.  Price was right and the detail will be cool.  Ok sirs, got a question.  I guess I can't expect every single part to be labeled as to what it is, but it does get a bit mind boggling sometimes.  Merits plans can be difficult to figure out, as the scale is quite small and jammed together, so one must be very careful and take the time to figure what goes where.  Here is an example that has me a bit stumped, I mean, I bel[size=78%]ieve that I have the correct part located, but just what the heck is it?  Thought maybe its a motor mount, but then it looks like a frame connect to a tiny motor on deck.  The is the Aft main deck I'm working on now.  A bunch of fidely pieces to mount, many I don't recognize.  Maybe some of you folks have an idea?  Tks,  Dennis[/size]
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on May 03, 2018, 09:26:57 PM
Oh, forgot, the part I am referencing is N22 on the plans. :embarrassed:
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: ballastanksian on May 03, 2018, 09:28:57 PM

I am not sure which pieces you mean unless its P9 as corrected from P10?


They seem to mirror parts M9 suggesting they are fairleads??

Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: ballastanksian on May 03, 2018, 09:30:07 PM
Are there weapons in that area? If so, are they the crowns of ammo chain hoists?
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on May 04, 2018, 01:13:05 AM
Parts are N22, two to port, one to stbd.  Only weapons near are all the way to stern edge and they are two 20mm's.  There are eight ballards nearby, thought maybe they are winches or something like that. Tks for the help.  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on May 05, 2018, 05:19:02 AM
Stern supports going in.  Must say, so far I'm impressed with the PE  in the kit.  Bend points are stronger and less apt to breaking.  Getting there.  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: ballastanksian on May 05, 2018, 04:40:57 PM
The etched platform and railings make the stern look much finer  :-)) Would there be a mesh cover on that large grille at the back?
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on May 05, 2018, 05:39:12 PM
Actually a ships boat will be stored over that grating.  D.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on May 05, 2018, 10:43:52 PM
I keep running into these PE upscale kits.  I found this one company Infini  which sells a complete upscale kit for the Yorktown CV-5, a totally awesome enhancement detail kit that costs almost double what I paid for the kit itself.  So far, I have purchased a Flight Deck upscale kit and a blue wood flightdeck complete with all the wind breaks and arresting gear, catwalk railings, etc.  I just can't bring myself to sping for this stern support upscale kit, since I would have to rip out everything I have done so far on the stern.  I'm adding what I can and will scratch build a hoist so that the gig can be lowered off the stern.  I'll have a shot of that coming soon. I did have a spare bulkhead door I added.... funny, most of this won't even be seen once the flight deck is added.  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on May 05, 2018, 10:44:37 PM
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Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: derekwarner on May 06, 2018, 07:58:49 AM
Goodness the detail quality is amazing...but you would have to sell the Grandkids & Mortgage the dog  >>:-(
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: ballastanksian on May 06, 2018, 04:13:41 PM
 %% %% %% That is like the real thing but brass coloured (and much smaller obviously.) Astounding is the word Dennis, but your work is also very good, and probably more rewarding in the long run.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on May 07, 2018, 02:48:16 AM
It is awesome isn't it.  Amazing.  Ok, one of the ships launches is now mounted, stern railing in, two 20mm's installed.  A grid support structure for the flight deck is next and will cover most of what you see.  It drove me nuts that they didn't have a crane in the kit for the launch, so I'm scratch building one that will be part of the bottom of the support structure.. at least I think it will.  I'll post a pic of the stern shot of the USS Hornet, which was the same for the crane.. interestingly.  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on May 07, 2018, 02:49:13 AM
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Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on May 07, 2018, 02:49:57 AM
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Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: warspite on May 07, 2018, 11:50:32 AM
The motors moulded to the deck are about the size of a 7.5kW motor and the frame may be missing a winch like that shown on the upscale kit, could be they forgot to include the winch in the drawings, it would be interesting to see what the upscale kit shows under the overhang where these frames are.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: Akira on May 07, 2018, 01:10:49 PM
I am with Warsprite on thing. I am thinking that those motors are the hoisting motors for the ship's boat, driving winches with the cables being routed via pulleys. I would think they would also control the booming out of the ships boat from under the overhanging stern.
Your work is, as usual, inspiring to watch.
The amount of detail available in PE now is amazing. It certainly causes one the have to pause and plan out their build with their checking balance in front of them.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: Tugtower on May 07, 2018, 01:44:24 PM
The upscale kits look great..


Only bad thing is they get painted...


I guess it comes down to if you want a nice looking model to display or you want a museum quality bit of work.


Enjoying your project so far  :-))
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on May 07, 2018, 02:47:28 PM
Really good thoughts gentlemen... thank you.  As I closely examine the old WW2 photos I have come across, I am noticing three rails that are suspended from the bottom of the flight deck support structure.  This would make sense for a rolling hoist that would come into position over the ships boat, a cradle hooks up to fore and aft points of the boat and a center point picks up to a centeral lifting hook, which can be seen in the PE upscale kit.  Suprizingly, my kit PE does provide that centeral pickup point and gangway suspended just below the forward edge of the flight deck... darn plans are so small that I couldn't even tell what it was.  I had to research and ponder before it all came to light.  So, I am at present installing my scratch version of the boat lift that I was so concerned about in the beginning.  Its like a grand mystery journey I'm on and I love it.  You are correct about the Upscale kits.  before one even begins the main kit, you need to sit and study what you have vs. what is avaiable in Upscale kits.... not a small task mind you.  I have already purhased 3 small upscale kits and already I know that I am duplicating some areas that I already had kit supplied PE! Darn.. ooh well, I also am finding that I can repurpose parts from other builds, so most of it gets used anyway.  Cheers.  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on May 07, 2018, 10:02:31 PM
Gentlemen, this is going to be a bit confusing for me to try to explain, but I came across this part in the kit and for the life of me I couldn't figure out what it was going to be used for.  Finally figured it out.  It is the overhead of the hanger deck, about midship.  If one was standing on the hanger deck and looked up, that is what you would see.  Odd support structure, I have no clue as to why it is designed like that, its the only area like it and is somewhat under the ships island. Whats even crazier is, you will never see it, unless somehow one could look through one of the hanger door openings and looked "up".  I mean, I thought I was "xxxxx" about detail, but this is a bit over the top by the kit maker.  Just had to show you folks for the record, cus once its installed, the flight deck is on, you will never know it is even there.  I mean, I have been planning on installing  3 aircraft in sections, up in the hanger deck overhead support cross girders as they did in the day and I thought I was being "xxxxx" because you would never really see them unless you looked hard with a torch for lighting.  One shot to show the stern nearing completion with my "added" crane affair. Oh, one of the pics shows that odd overhead section resting at an angle about where it will be located to give you an idea.  I got my wood flight deck upscale kit in the post today and it is way over the top for added detail, which is gonna add a few months to the build.  Who's complaining?  %%   Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on May 07, 2018, 10:03:29 PM
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Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on May 07, 2018, 10:04:14 PM
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Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on May 07, 2018, 10:04:53 PM
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Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: ballastanksian on May 08, 2018, 11:23:09 PM

Military modellers spend time detailing the bottoms of their tanks and chassis of their lorries, so i suppose manufacturers feel it worth spending time on this sort of detail. Your issue about lack of detail on the stern for boat handling might have been a better thing for them to have sent that development budget on?


Lovely work as usual Dennis.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on May 09, 2018, 01:47:32 AM
Well, I think I have that overhead section figured out.  Its Merits way of added form and structure to the hanger deck sides, since there is essentially nothing that would be strong enough to align the sides.  The overhead beams are very flimsy, but do look nice.  This solid, stiff member gives strength right at the mid point of the hull.  Just a thought at least.  Ok folks, bear with me. I easily get side tracked and was lurking on another forum and came across a builder doing the same model.  He found a picture taken druing WW2 that shows a mural mounted on the hanger deck wall, you can see it behind a damaged aircraft that had been brought below decks.  The model builder decided to duplicate that mural "and" the wrecked aircaft.  I've included a picture.  I decided to do the mural thing just for fun, mine is not as good at that scale, its hard to free-hand the "world".  The gentlemans name is Arno from The Netherlands and he was posting on Modelwarships forum.  I like to give credit just in case.  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on May 09, 2018, 01:48:18 AM
My version
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: TailUK on May 09, 2018, 08:57:28 AM
I came across Yorktown's General Arrangement drawing and looked up Part #N22 If I'm reading the drawing correctly they are exhaust and supply fans.

http://www.hnsa.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/cv5.pdf
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on May 09, 2018, 04:31:03 PM
Thank you so much... you folks are awesome in your help and research.  Makes perfect sense to me.  Now I know and my hat off to Merit for their attention to extreme detail.  One cannot even see those fans  that are tucked back under there.... but we know they are there.  Oh my aching mind........ :((   Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: ballastanksian on May 09, 2018, 10:22:39 PM
In the position it is, and the scale you have painted it to, the murial looks perfectly acceptable. That is an interesting way to work on an inverted airframe. I suppose that as long as all the fluids and loose items have been removed, it is just a matter of supporting it properly.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on May 09, 2018, 10:45:54 PM
You have a good point.  Makes me wonder if the aircraft didn't do a flip while landing, they brought in a dolly, picked up the aircraft with a deck crane and just brought her down to the hanger deck via elevator.  Her vertical stab is crunched, so makes me think she did a flip right over the nose.  Looking at some of the old WW2 photos taken down on the hanger deck just before she sank shows a number of perfectly good aircraft went down with her.  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on May 11, 2018, 04:23:48 AM
Looks like the STBD side hanger deck sides are about there, so moving on to the Port side.  I guess so far, I'm fairly happy with the fit of parts.  Very pleased with Merits casting detail, both inside and outside are loaded with very crisp detail.  PE adds just that much more.  Some gaps here and there that I don't feel are worth the effort to fill. So far, a very fun build.  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on May 11, 2018, 04:24:32 AM
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Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on May 11, 2018, 04:25:13 AM
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Post by: dlancast on May 11, 2018, 04:25:43 AM
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Post by: dlancast on May 11, 2018, 04:26:11 AM
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Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: warspite on May 12, 2018, 08:18:57 AM
As for the fans at the stern, little bit puzzled, yes it shows the motors and what appears to be a frame, but no fan, if you google images of centrifugal fans (the basic paddle type), its a ever increasing diameter body with an inlet on the centreline and an outlet to either the left or right vertically or horizontally to one side of the centre, usually in extract or supply fans they use backward curved or forward curved fans - similar casings but to suit bigger duct diameters, don't see where these casings are, as they would be usually on a frame like those you fitted, a more detailed historic photo might show how this are is laid out, but it would have to be closer than that, did the shipyard not take any while refitting / repairing?
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on May 12, 2018, 07:40:27 PM
That's why I was so puzzled.  Could find no pictures of that unit.  As for scratch building a true fan, I suppose something could be done, but after installing all the overhead support structure, I can hardly even see the base and motors now.  They are tucked way back in a dark corner.  Perhaps thats why Merit didn't finish them??  Nuther one of those mysteries.  I'll try to get a close picture to give you a better idea of what I'm talking about.  Tks for the suggestions.  Thats what I like so much about this group, they know things I would not of even thought of.  Cheers,  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on May 12, 2018, 07:53:11 PM
I can't even get my camera in close enough to get a shot of it.  I circled where it is.  Best I can do. Don't think I'm gonna worry about it.  If someone in the future ever comments while looking at my model.."where is the fan"... they will hear about it! {-)   Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: ballastanksian on May 13, 2018, 01:44:09 PM

If you don't know Dennis (and you are doing the effort researching and building her) then I doubt anyone else looking at her will. Veterans who might have known about these points are becoming few and far between and the rest of us learn something new every day.


She's looking fab as per usual  :-))
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on May 16, 2018, 10:20:08 PM
So true, I have a friend who is in his 90's, with a very sharp mind, who was U.S. Navy WW2, stationed aboard a number of battleships during the war.  You can bet that I will be inviting this old vet over to view my models and talk about some of these detail issues.


Am currently fitting out the hanger details and adding a few scratch touches of my own which will probably be very difficult to see once the flight deck is on.  I've opened as many side doors as I can to allow light to get in and viewing with a flashlight to be done.


Just ordered 30 more aircraft to add to the 15 that come in the kit.  She had 90 at the battle of Midway I believe.. I think that might be a stretch and need to do more research to confirm if I can.  I understand that they have found the wreck of the Yorktown, sitting on her keel with aircraft still aboard.  Waiting for a documentary to be done on that someday.  Or, has it already been done?


Cheers,  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on May 16, 2018, 10:21:05 PM
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Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on May 21, 2018, 05:17:35 AM
Capt. gig.  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on May 21, 2018, 05:18:07 AM
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Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on May 24, 2018, 05:38:42 AM
Ok, ships boats are installed.  Before any hanger deck overhead supports are installed, I will be making up all aircraft that will be below on the hanger deck and perhaps one stored up in the overhead supports as they did in the day.  Starting with SBD-3.  I am disappointed in Merit using clear plastic for the aircraft casting.  Very difficult to assemble unpainted.  I did one and quickly moved into painting all parts on the sprue, which should make it easier.  I have purchased 30 additonal aircraft from Trumpeter, which are far superior to Merits... so the clunky ones will be somewhat hidden below.  Its gonna take me a while to get these done, so I'll be quiet for a time. Cheers,  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on May 24, 2018, 05:39:16 AM
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Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on May 24, 2018, 05:39:50 AM
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Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: ballastanksian on May 24, 2018, 10:51:09 PM
Take your time Dennis, she looks good and you are doing fine  :-)) I like the boats.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on May 26, 2018, 05:18:01 AM
Ok, now I've stepped over the deep end with this one.  I purchased an upscale kit from White Ensign Models, which includes parts for forklifts, bomb trailers, and "cockpit parts" for the three aircraft that I am building now. The parts include: instrument panel, seats, control stick. We are talking small, I think this is the smallest I have worked with do date.  I've taken a couple shots of the PE installed in the fuselage, but not as yet painted.  I seriously doubt that once the clear canopy is installed, one will not see what is inside.... seriously.  But, you dear folks and I will know they are there.  I will only do one aircraft, just so that I can say I did it.  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on May 26, 2018, 05:18:38 AM
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Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: Akira on May 26, 2018, 12:16:56 PM
Great work, as usual Dennis.two comments if I may. First, USN carriers often warmed up the engines of aircraft by running then while on the hangar deck. Even with the roller doors open, the exhaust fumes would have been fierce. I am speculating that the fans were exhaust fans, hence their location. The other comment is, remember that USN carriers had the Gallery deck running underneath the flight deck for a substantial portion of the latter's length. The flimsy beams you see in the hangar deck are supporting the gallery deck, not the flight deck. The beams for it are hidden from view by the gallery deck.Keep up the extraordinary work. BTY what are you taking to keep your hands from shaking? ;) Jonathan
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on May 26, 2018, 04:39:29 PM
Good input Johnathan.  I have no doubts about the support structure.  This kit does not show all of that detail.  What I did discover with interest was that they used to store aircraft with wings off, up in between those girders, which I would like to place at least one in position to be able to see when looking through one of the larger hanger deck doors.  Along with warming engines up, they also launched aircraft via side catapults from the hanger deck.  I don't know how long they kept that practice up, but they did do it.  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: TailUK on May 26, 2018, 05:00:43 PM
My references say that transverse hanger catapults were all gone by 1944.  The last ship fitted was USS Hornet (CV 12).  They were fitted to 5 out of the 6 Essex class carriers with exception of USS Essex. There are photos of F6F Hellcats being launched from hanger catapults so they were certainly in use after September 1943 when the Hellcat reached the Squadrons.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on May 27, 2018, 04:55:21 AM
First Dauntless is finished.  Yes, you can just see the cockpit detail through the canopy....just.  We will know its there.  Many more to do.  I'm thinking most of these dauntless will be below on the Hanger deck, maybe 10 total.  Have to think about that.  It might be better to have as many on the Flight Deck as I can for the effect I suppose.  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: Akira on May 27, 2018, 12:49:40 PM
Well done Dennis.I think the cross deck cats were removed pretty early in the war. While some early Essex were built with them, as were Yorktown's Wasp and Lexington's, they were not used often, and not liked at all.Wings were also stored on bulkheads, while fuselages were suspended between girders. The hangars were busy places.Jonathan

Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: Mark T on May 27, 2018, 03:51:05 PM
Absolutely amazing detail Dennis what a beautiful job I wish I had your patience as your results are fantastic  :-))
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: ballastanksian on May 27, 2018, 10:29:11 PM

Because you display your ships as stand alone models and not in a Diorama, maybe assembling one of the aircraft but leaving areas unpainted to show the cockpit details through the plastic and then mounting it on a wee plinth alongside the ship in the same case would demonstrate the minute details possible in models today?



Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on May 28, 2018, 01:26:34 AM
Thank you for the kind words.  Many options avail.  This small scale is difficult to express all of the details one can do, especially with the PE upscale kits.  Frankly, I think they try to outdo themselves on just how far they can go.  Someone asked about my steady hands.  It is amazing, they are not always steady, what with the huge amount of drugs that I have in my body now, its a wonder I can even do a fraction of this. Fact remains that when I focus into the fine work, my hands seem to steady down.  I have to work quick and I cannot tell you how many parts have gone into the great beyond through the "Ping" factor.  Many of my models have "hidden" details that only I know about and will never be seen again, but they are there and I guess I take sort of an "xxxxx" comfort in knowing that fact  As a side example, I sold a large model of the clipper ship Flying Cloud, done in wood.  Took me 3 yrs. to build.  The owner, back on the East coast does not know that the wood under the main planked deck has a good amount of my blood soaked into the solid wood hull.  Short story of it, was I stabbed my hand with my X-acto knife, severed a good size vein and proceed to bleed out onto that hull before I was able to get things undercontrol.  What was I to do?  I planked over it.  Another one of those little details that I (now you folks) know about.  Not all of my models are that gory, but all do have at least one detail that remains hidden. %)  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on May 28, 2018, 06:18:51 AM
Pair of Devastators on the Hanger Deck foreward.  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: warspite on May 28, 2018, 08:33:00 AM
Or alternatively, alter a canopy to be open when on deck, so the detail inside can be seen
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on May 28, 2018, 02:19:54 PM
I thought about that open canopy idea, but the plastic is too thick to make a sectional cut and one part slides over the other.  The scale is so small, the part would be impossible to handle..... but, that's just me, because I know its been done.  Oh the joy.  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on May 28, 2018, 07:19:38 PM
Ok, you made me do it.  So here it is.  As I said, the canopy casting is too thick.  I was able to cut out a section, but could not make the slider.  The insides with two seats, instrument panel and I even managed to install the main control stick.  Outside painting to be finished of course.  But, again, the detail is there. Will have to have this baby on the Flight Deck for all to see..hahahah...this is crazy. :}  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on May 28, 2018, 07:20:04 PM
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Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: ballastanksian on May 28, 2018, 11:07:12 PM

I reckon the slider got shot off or was removed for repair  O0 Either that, or put it on a block representing a cart alongside it.


It looks great by the way Dennis, you are pushing your envelope daily with this build.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: Akira on May 28, 2018, 11:25:53 PM
So... what is the diameter if a 1/350th scale aircraft control stick? Inquiring minds want to know.  :police: Dennis, it seems that you are pushing the envelope with every build. Amazing work.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on May 29, 2018, 12:07:33 AM
I appreciate inquiring minds.... looks like 1/64x2mm (darned thing even has a grip at the end of the jog..) they couldn't have made it more realistic.  A light touch of CA and gently lowered into place...gads.. it even stuck! %%   Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: steve pickstock on May 29, 2018, 07:13:21 AM
If I may make a suggestion - given what you are saying about the thickness of the plastic, could you not just cut out the piece from the canopy (A) and the piece it slides over (B) and put the sliding section into place, replacing (B) with (A)?
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: TailUK on May 29, 2018, 08:55:28 AM
If I may make a suggestion - given what you are saying about the thickness of the plastic, could you not just cut out the piece from the canopy (A) and the piece it slides over (B) and put the sliding section into place, replacing (B) with (A)?

That would work!  As per the diagram.  The cut piece 1 moves to the 2 position. The piece 3 moves to the 4 position and 5 disappears.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on May 29, 2018, 04:41:06 PM
Great ref drawing and tks for that!  Yes, I could and I just might give it a go on the next one.  Tks for the tip.  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on May 30, 2018, 02:53:56 AM
Ok, here is the best I can do on that sectional canopy.  Instrument panel, seat, control stick and rudder peddles are in there.. you will  have to trust me on that.  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on May 30, 2018, 02:54:29 AM
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Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: TailUK on May 30, 2018, 07:45:18 AM
 :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on June 01, 2018, 11:03:51 PM
First of the F4F-4 Wildcats completed.  All 5 will have wings folded and be on the hanger deck.  I have more for the Flight Deck.  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: Capt Podge on June 01, 2018, 11:13:09 PM
They're gonna look great when grouped together - great work Dennis. :-))

Regards,

Ray.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on June 07, 2018, 09:08:02 PM
Here are some pics of the completed Hanger Bay with the aircraft that I will have in position.  They are located such that they can be viewed the best through the hanger bay doors on either side of the ship.  Once the deck is on, that's it.  Its just one of those things in a model that will never be seen again.  It was fun to do.  Overhead Flight Deck support girders are next, then the Flight Deck itself... but before that, the Flight Deck, which will have a wood overlay, will be fully detailed out before installation on the model and very time consuming as you will see as things progress.  I have additional aircraft that I purchase separately to fill the Flight Deck when done.  Lots to do yet.  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on June 07, 2018, 09:08:37 PM
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Post by: dlancast on June 07, 2018, 09:09:46 PM
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Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on June 11, 2018, 02:22:04 AM
Working on some PE upscale work for the stern catwalk area just below the Flight deck.  Truly amazing detail is achieved with PE.  Just look at the fence cross grid work.  Unbelievable, when you realize the true scale and size of the part.  Could never be achieved with plastic casting methods.  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on June 11, 2018, 02:22:38 AM
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Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on June 13, 2018, 03:34:07 AM
Dear Folks, I need to make a correction, where I labeled my Devastator with folding wings as a Dauntless.... I ment to say Devastator. Sri.  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: TailUK on June 13, 2018, 09:08:08 AM
No need to apologise, Dennis.  I always get my Dauntlesses and Devastators confused anyway.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: ballastanksian on June 13, 2018, 09:13:03 PM

I would never have thought of cutting the canopy up like that! That was a great idea and it has paid dividends especially as you have invested in the cockpit interior, it would have been a shame to lose it through thick distorting styrene.


I love your dynamic positioning of the aircraft, each model gets more and more sophisticated.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on June 14, 2018, 03:24:36 AM
Thank you for your kind words.  Thanks to the wonderful folks on this forum and the good suggestions have helped with this and prior builds.  I so enjoy the building process. There is something about the WW2 Navy ships that I find very interesting. Seriously, I'm beginning to have a problem with space in my house to display my models, as each one needs to be cased.  I selected the scale of 1/350 to try to reduce the footprint of the model, but with the carriers, each one is around 2ft in length and will become bigger yet as I approach the Forrestal class ships.  What do other folks do with their models.. I mean even the RC folks have models much bigger than what I am building.  I had my contractor over today and we actually talked about extending my hobby room out another 12ft just so that I can have more display area.  I don't think a museum would take a collection of plastic models, no matter how well built they are.  I could try to sell some of them and have had some success at doing that.  Oh well, am not going to worry about it.  I'm just going to keep building them.   ;)   Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: ballastanksian on June 14, 2018, 10:11:08 AM

A friend of mine paints figurines and has done so for at least forty years along with ship models, aircraft and originally military models. He rotates his models on display so some are on show in his display case while others are in their carry/storage boxes that he uses to take said models and figurines to display at shows.


He learnt the hard way not to load his car up the evening before a show as his car was stolen, ironically by the local wrong'ns in the neighbouring estate. The car was found in a ditch and sadly the models and figurines were not there.


So, in parenthesis, it might be worth rotating your models on display, making some boxes to store your cased models safely so you can stack them carefully, periodically un packing them to replace ones that have been on show for a couple months. This would save you loads of room and give you that frission of excitement on seeing a model you have not had on show for a while, like seeing an old friend again.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on June 14, 2018, 05:01:28 PM
thank you!  Great idea...    :-)) Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: ballastanksian on June 14, 2018, 09:14:19 PM
And putting evil ideas in thy head  %) That means you can build models of their escorts etc and show them and store them in order.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on June 14, 2018, 10:35:41 PM
You are not helping me..... {-)  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on June 15, 2018, 01:00:18 AM
Work has begun on the Flight Deck forward section.  The upscale plan is to overlay thin wood veneer (stained dark blue) over the plastic decking, then peel away the areas that will recieve PE inlays.  These will include peremiter trim, catapults, arresting channels and arresting gear, windbreaks (Palisades).  PE is painted first before attaching to FD.  Lots of tedious fiddle work to peel those areas away for the PE.  But, I like that kinda stuff. You can just see the forward section of the FD with the blue wood attached and areas peeled away, awaiting the PE.  I think I've finally got it all figured out as to why I enjoy this fine miniture work. For aobut 25yrs of my working career, I manufactured IC computer chips in the Semiconductor Industry in Silicon Valley, Calif, USA. Tons of very small microscopic work.  It all relates and makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside, now as an old goat. I'm happy I can still do it at 73. Cheers!  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: ballastanksian on June 15, 2018, 05:29:55 PM
As are we Dennis. You are doing some lovely work and it is always enjoyable watching you enjoy your hobby. The pre tinted veneer is a good idea, you just have to be careful not to damage it if weathering it or adding other items on top.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on June 15, 2018, 06:32:29 PM
That is true.. its very delicate and will chip easily.  My thoughts are to lay down a coat of flat varnish or poly to protect it. Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on June 16, 2018, 01:33:06 AM
just when I thought I would reach my limit for small assembly, I come to the Palisades (windbreaks).  they have me gluing back supports and then the breaks onto those supports.  I got two on, 50 more to go.. yikes!  {:-{   Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on June 16, 2018, 01:33:41 AM
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Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: Bob K on June 16, 2018, 09:25:33 AM
Excellent work Dennis.  You must be a glutton for punishment at this tiny scale.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on June 19, 2018, 05:12:55 AM
Thanks Bob, well its not punishment, but I do suffer from glutteny! {-)   Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: kpnuts on June 21, 2018, 08:19:33 PM
Incredible work, those planes must be tiny, you're doing amazing work at that scale.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on June 21, 2018, 11:37:57 PM
thank you.... it is taxing at times.  I'm entrenched in building the forward Palisades and it is taking me "forever" and about driving me nuts.  I think these PE designers compete to see how far they can push the builders out there to make there "small stuff".. :embarrassed:  But, I will prevail!  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on June 30, 2018, 01:02:46 AM
I'm still here folks.... this is week two of the Palisades or Windbreak that I have been working on from PE. An instrument of torture and no love loss on this beast.  I am just past half way point, so another two weeks??  I hope not.  I have finally learned a technique that works for me and the sticks are going on a bit straighter.  This is not the first rodeo I have done on one of these, as my Ranger build had one as well, but the PE upscale kit was a different manuf. and the back supports were made of in a triangle design, which made it somewhat easier to assemble.  Oh well, it is what it is and I'm not giving up... then its on to arresting wire assembly.. don't even know what that is going to be like, as its not pretty on the plans.  Isn't it interesting that as we get older in life, the challenges become harder and more complex.... isn't it supposed to get easier in one's old age?  Gotta love it though.  Cheers! %%   Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on July 08, 2018, 02:03:53 AM
Working on rest of flight deck.  Wood overlay.  you peel out the expansion joints and arresting wire areas, plus winches, etc. Then you inlay PE brass fillers that have texture, etc.  Very nice detail touch when done.  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on July 08, 2018, 02:04:38 AM
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Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on July 17, 2018, 02:49:09 PM
Still working on Flight Deck.  Going painfully slow.  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: ballastanksian on July 17, 2018, 08:58:09 PM
You are doing fine Dennis, it all looks fab  :-)) It is your project so it takes as long as it takes and no one would want to rush you and make you ruin a bit.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on July 17, 2018, 09:20:27 PM
Thank you kind sir.  This model is something that can't be hurried even if I had to.  Taking my time to try to get it right.  PE work is very tedious, but sure worth the effort and outcome.  I do have a question though.  There are a series of rectangular plates, evenly spaced either side of centerline of flight deck, starting at bow and running clear back to stern.  Full size, they are probably 10"x20".  Plans do not indicate what they are.  Attached pics show wood deck mounted and areas for PE arresting gear plate and these rectangles peeled away, second picture shows PE attached and first coat of paint.  You can just see a couple of these plates just to right of expansion joints.  Any ideas?  Maybe access points for arresting gear below deck?  Tks, Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on July 17, 2018, 09:21:18 PM
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Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: Stan on July 17, 2018, 09:32:40 PM
HI Dennis Built this a few years ago have second one to build at 1/96 would you like a big challenge?

Stan.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on July 17, 2018, 09:50:38 PM
Beautiful Stan.  Are you building the second one from scratch?  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: Stan on July 17, 2018, 10:09:02 PM
Almost. Some time in the future I hope.




Stan
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on July 23, 2018, 06:56:04 PM
Well folks, I contacted the Upscale company who sent me plans of the Yorktown flightdeck showing those rectangles to be Landing Lights.  Makes sense, but no where on the internet can I find actual pictures of those lights or references that they were even used.  I will just accept the fact that they are Landing Lights and leave it at that.  Now I'm wondering if I shouldn't paint them chrome to simulate glass lights?  Instead of painting them dark blue as I have them now?  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on July 23, 2018, 07:01:44 PM
trying to make a blowup that shows those lights more clearly. Sri, best I can do.  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: ballastanksian on July 23, 2018, 07:40:37 PM
Like you say, they may have been painted over given wartime blackout conditions.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: TailUK on July 23, 2018, 09:33:20 PM
Here's a blow up from the GA of Yorktown it shows the Port side of the flight deck just forward of the fan tail HTH
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: TailUK on July 23, 2018, 09:43:16 PM
I've had a quick look through the references and come up with this.  It's a detail from a larger picture of Hornet CV-8. I'm assuming that the fittings would have been the same in ships of the same class.  The light appears to have a metal cover which probably is the same colour as the deck although the colour may be slightly different as the metal would be painted and the wooden deck was paint/stain.  It makes sense that there would be a removable cover as it would protect the light during day light and provide a black-out.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: Stan on July 23, 2018, 10:01:46 PM
Hi Dennis check your pm I sent to you last week Informing you they are landing lights. Tails is spot on anything that could reflect light would be painted out our covered. Deck lights on the PT boats were painted over to stop internal light from showing to the outside.






Stan
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on July 24, 2018, 12:17:05 AM
Gentlemen, thank all of you so much for a great response.  it all makes sense now for me.  I agree about the covers over the lights being metal, as shown by photo.  That is the exact detail of my PE and I have painted it with a dark blue which is probably pretty close in contrast to the way it would have been.  Gads, I can rest easy at night now.   ;)   Cheers,  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: TailUK on July 24, 2018, 01:37:30 PM
Another photo, this time from USS Wasp CV-7.  The landing light cover is split lengthways with 4 sets of hinges along each side.  The hinges are raised slightly which permits the metal plate to lay flat on the deck when opened allowing the aircraft to run over it.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on July 24, 2018, 05:13:25 PM
yes sir, and that is exactly how my PE is detailed.  Amazing.  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on July 24, 2018, 08:26:13 PM
Here is the PE part for the Land Light Cover. Sri, not very clear shots, but it does show hinges and line down middle for the doors.  Just blows me away that the PE folks got this kind of detail.  Am I becoming a rivet counter? :-X  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on July 24, 2018, 08:26:44 PM
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Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: TailUK on July 24, 2018, 08:46:41 PM
I think you're a lot like the rest of us, Dennis.  We like to get things right but if it's not we don't drive ourselves nuts over it. 
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: ballastanksian on July 24, 2018, 09:48:54 PM
Amen.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on July 31, 2018, 03:50:54 AM
Finally, the Flight Deck is installed.  All arresting gear, expansion joints, deck light covers, bow and stern walkways, palisades, all in now.  Moveing on to elevator railing and bomb elevators before beginning assembly of island.  Step by step.  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on July 31, 2018, 03:51:34 AM
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Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on July 31, 2018, 03:52:06 AM
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Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on July 31, 2018, 03:52:40 AM
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Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: ballastanksian on July 31, 2018, 08:10:16 PM
Very very nice Dennis  :-)) You have got the deck done to a Tee.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on August 06, 2018, 04:56:50 AM
Thank you for the kind words.  I've completed installing 4, 1.5" guad AA cannon on fore and aft sides of island location and  8 .50cal AA guns on one of the port side gun tubs.. actually, those .50cal guns look aweful small.  Moved on to installation of the Deguassing Cable, beginning on the portside and have installed 3/4 of it. I'm marginally pleased wtih the results as the kit supplied casting is not to scale and reflects only one cable, actually, there were 3 cables running side by side, with sections where they ran through a single conduit, so some of its about correct looking.  If I wanted to spend a few more dollars and wait a week or two, ArtVox makes a nice PE kit for those cables nicely done.  I didn't find them until I had this part mounted and painted and I don't want to rip it out.  Next time.  I noticed the Merit supplied the correct PE cables on their Interprise kit, which I won't be doing, as its the same class as the Yorktown.. don't need two of the same. I will be moving on to the Essex Class and will probably build the USS Essex as my next model.  Already itching to get into my next build.... what a illness this is for me..... {:-{   Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: ballastanksian on August 06, 2018, 08:13:36 PM

The only suggestion I can give to modify the degaussing cables would be to flatten the part already fitted to the hull with a blade scraping it along to the brackets and any junction boxes to at least reflect the shape three cables would make running alongside each other. Scribing lines along the flattened piece to represent individual conduits would be possible but uber fiddly, and most likely the job for one of the micro sculptors!


She is looking really really good Dennis.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on August 07, 2018, 01:24:06 AM
thank you!  Yes, i did consider flattening the round casting.  I may still play with that.  You know, Merit could have just simply cast in those cables to simulate them as easy as they did all other details cast into the hull.  The details are endless and one probably never gets them all. Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: ballastanksian on August 07, 2018, 08:16:57 PM
I think a kit company will have a budget for developing and designing a kit, and so they will have a limit to what they can do.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on August 10, 2018, 05:19:27 AM
Well folks, its this sort of thing that almost drives me to drink  :(( .... I have no clue as to what this is.  I fathfully assembled the 6 very small piieces to make the part.  I had to find what I think it is on the plans, because it does not say what it is or where on the Island it is supposed to be mounted.  I circled and placed an arrow on the plans to point what I think it is. The part well be mounted on two mounts that go underneath to support.  Location is on the aft upper deck of the Island, aft of the stacks and will ultimately be under the main support tripod which supports the radar, etc.  I will try to hunt the archive photos of the ship to see if I can spot it, but I know you folks like a challenge, so I leave it to you to help me if you wish.  Thanks a bunch.  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on August 10, 2018, 05:19:59 AM
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Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on August 10, 2018, 05:21:07 AM
Note, the parts are two hatches, one what looks like four lights on a bar and one that is a searchlight at the top.  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: TailUK on August 10, 2018, 09:34:08 AM
If I'm reading the GA drawing correctly it's a range finding tower and 5" gun Director.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: TailUK on August 10, 2018, 11:54:05 AM
I could only find one good picture and the Director is obscured by bunting.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on August 10, 2018, 03:55:39 PM
Oh you guys are great.... from what I've found so far is that this "thing" does not exist.  I do make two Range Finders, one mounted on each end of the Island.  That drawing shows 2 Ranger Fnders, one smaller than the other mounted on the forward end of the Island.  That drawing also shows no gun shields, just railing... where-as my plans have gun shields both ends. Not sure what to do here.  I found where another builder just eleminated this "thing" from the model and now I can see why.  unless I can find actual proof that its real, I won't mount it.  But what do I do about the shields is still in question here.    Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: TailUK on August 10, 2018, 05:54:37 PM
The drawing and photo are correct up to 1940 when the Yorktown was re-fitted in San Diego.  Changes were made to the Signal bridge it's safe to assume that during that re-fit the hand rails around the top of the Pilot House were removed and replaced with a solid coaming and that the smaller stereoscopic range finder was removed at that time as well.  The Merit kit depicts Yorktown about the time of the Coral Sea and Midway so the mouldings are correct for that.
First picture is of the top of the pilot house in 1937  The small rangefinder and hand rails are quite clear.
Second picture was taken during Midway and show the configuration depicted in the kit.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on August 10, 2018, 09:19:02 PM
That's it.  The first picture shows the part that I just made.  It is located just behind the Range Finder or Director?  I can see both hatches and the light on top.  Is it possible that its flag storage and signal light??  They did add a signal flag box during the refit.  I just don't know what this is?  I copied picture and circled the thing in red.  Lets hope I can post it.  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: TailUK on August 11, 2018, 12:02:27 PM
I have a better photo of that area which I will post ASAP.

Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: TailUK on August 11, 2018, 03:35:50 PM
As promised, Dated 1937.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on August 11, 2018, 08:05:03 PM
Holy Cow!  Could have never guessed, RDF and navigation equipment.  Thank you so much for this detail.  Now I can present it more accurately.  The kit only provides the iron cage that protects the (or us) from the RDF ring.  Now I can add the ring inside per the picture and do the best I can with the other equipment that the kit is providing, but not with alot of detail.  You folks are the best and now I can sleep at night... thank you!! :-))  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: derekwarner on August 11, 2018, 10:38:52 PM
Yikes.......Yorktown had 4 screws [turbines & propellers]......

So here you see repeater stations [to navigate] using her 4 x turbines  ...amazing image TailUK :-))

I have seen a 1 x shaft repeater set and a 2 x shaft repeater, but never a 4 x shaft set...[and again duplicated for Fwd, Stdb & Port]

Derek
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on August 12, 2018, 01:02:02 AM
This is all so very cool... I had no idea.  Couple more questions....  the two dark posts on either side of the panel that was a mystery to me. What purpose are those posts?  The other thing that struck me was that all of this equipment is not covered!  I can invision a couple of sailors out in a blow, making adjustments.  Or, was this Navigation gear mostly left unattended once a setting is made??  That matting we all know so well serves two purposes, one for traction, being out in the elements and the other for insulation perhaps.  I am so pleased, because Merit appears to have gotten things write.  I have each piece and part represented in that photo and if I can get enough magnification, I can see surface detail of those instruments.  Mostly lost at this scale, but there none the less.  I know I'm a bit odd, but this makes me a very happy man. O0  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: derekwarner on August 12, 2018, 04:10:55 AM
Dennis......I can offer explanation on the weather proofing of the Repeater Boards

Each of the sub components [gauges, analogy dials, movement displays, buttons or levers ] on each of the Repeater Boards individually would have weather  proofing specification covered by the IP Rating, the US NEMA and MIL-Spec standards to be capable of withstanding up to immersion without failure

One reason that covers or lid guards were never fitted as they themselves contain and retain moisture

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiHwvKFwObcAhXDwbwKHURpDd8QFjAAegQIBhAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FIP_Code&usg=AOvVaw1fosKCEPrU_9nGBDg--PUq

The 2 vertical columns appear to have at least one gimbal adjustment, electronic signal cables running down from the columns......and each appears to be at near eye sight for a human.......which would suggest a binnacle stand for a [eye] sighting/range finding device?

One must remember whilst these were War Ships, they were also 24/7 training exercises for Junior Officers/Sailors  ....so these stands could be as simple at telescope or long range binocular mounts......which had the provision for relaying the angle and bearing of Celestial Navigation plotting logged down to a second location

Derek
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on August 12, 2018, 04:27:36 AM
Thank you Derek, you have been most helpful and knowledgeable.  This is what brings this hobby to life and makes it so much fun to investgate and recreate something from so long ago.  Naval history has always been a passion for me, as I so enjoyed my time serving in the U.S. Navy from 1965 to 1969 and did serve aboard the Aircraft Carrier U.S.S. Ranger CVA-61 (now scrapped).  I plan to model the Ranger as my last in the carrier series I am doing.  There are no kits in 1/350 scale of the Ranger, so I think I will be using the Trumpeter kit of the U.S.S. Kittyhawk and modify and rebadge to create the Ranger.  Thanks again sir.  Best regards, Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: ballastanksian on August 12, 2018, 09:12:29 PM
In asking the questions and fellow Boatists helping, this increases the reference scope of the forum. Anyone wanting to build a larger scale model of her can go detail mad now.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: TailUK on August 13, 2018, 10:16:30 AM
As far as I can tell the post like structure is what is known as an Alidade.  The little arm at the top reads against a compass and gives bearings on the object sighted.  Given the bulk of the fitting perhaps a gyro stabilised compass with electronic repeater to the steering or navigation positions. Maybe.
One thing did occur to me.  Firstly why put an auxiliary navigation position right on top of the main steering position.  Emergency steering positions were usually well away from the bridge at the stern so if the bridge was knocked out they could still control the ship, for example H.M.S. Exeter during the action against the Graf Spee.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on August 13, 2018, 02:25:31 PM
Interesting points.  When I was aboard the Ranger, she had aux steering station in the stern, just below the flight deck.  I will faithfully repoduce what is there best I can and try to give a positional photo of the model to match and see how close I get.  Still got lots of detail work to do just in that area.  It will take time as always. Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: TailUK on August 13, 2018, 03:26:19 PM
As far as I can tell the post like structure is what is known as an Alidade.  The little arm at the top reads against a compass and gives bearings on the object sighted.  Given the bulk of the fitting perhaps a gyro stabilised compass with electronic repeater to the steering or navigation positions. Maybe.
One thing did occur to me.  Firstly why put an auxiliary navigation position right on top of the main steering position.  Emergency steering positions were usually well away from the bridge at the stern so if the bridge was knocked out they could still control the ship, for example H.M.S. Exeter during the action against the Graf Spee.
OK strike the first paragraph.  Further research (sounds grand doesn't it, actually I just looked at some more books)  If you look carefully there's quite a big counterweight on the Starboard side column which means it's meant to have something heavy attached to it, probably a big pair of binoculars.  This could indicate that they are "Target Indicators" The target is spotted through the binoculars and then the fire control computers "zeros" the armament onto it.   They look a bit complex to be lookout stations.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on August 13, 2018, 07:11:32 PM
Anybodys guess at this point mate.... I'm with  you, makes good sense as to purpose.  I've decided to attempt to add wiring cables under units where I can just for fun... pretty darn small though.  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: TailUK on August 13, 2018, 09:52:10 PM
Anybodys guess at this point mate.... I'm with  you, makes good sense as to purpose.  I've decided to attempt to add wiring cables under units where I can just for fun... pretty darn small though.  Dennis

Very small drill bits can be a right royal pain in the neck so if you haven't got one already get yourself a pin vice or pin chuck.  I used to get through dozens of fine drills until someone gave me this tip. If you know anyone who plays the guitar ask them to keep their old strings for you, a wire guitar string can be used as a drill especially in plastic.  Put a short length in the pin vice and clip it off about 10 mm long then use it like a drill bit.  You can get hundreds of throwaway bits from one guitar string.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: steve pickstock on August 14, 2018, 07:20:29 AM
I've decided to attempt to add wiring cables under units where I can just for fun... pretty darn small though.  Dennis
Discarded cell phone accessories - hands free cables etc can yield some excellent fine wires when stripped which can be useful.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on August 17, 2018, 05:18:26 AM
Island work has begun, tedious, delicate PE work, but coming nicely, I think.  Moving near to installing navigation equipment soon.  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on August 19, 2018, 03:55:21 AM
ok folks, this is as close as I can get it.  Tried to mimic the camera angle from the original, just could not get any closer, but I think you get the idea.. its all there just about.  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on August 19, 2018, 03:57:42 AM
original.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on August 19, 2018, 04:03:47 AM
sorry about that, got the wrong angle.  This is better.  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: ballastanksian on August 19, 2018, 10:50:26 AM
Crikey, that is fiddly work! Looks good though. You need  to build a larger scale model as your next project, to give your eyes a holiday!!
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on August 19, 2018, 04:53:36 PM
Yes, i'd love to go back to 1/200, but that is huge in aircraft carrier sizes and very expensive... but sure is easier on hands and eyes.  Has anyone done the 1/700 scale?  I'm thinking about trying one, as the finished size would sure be better for room to display.  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on August 30, 2018, 02:57:12 AM
The ship itself is now completed.  I am working on aircraft to populate the flight deck. Very slow process. Will provide better pictures as that time comes. So far, my next project will be the USS Essex CV-9.  I have to save my coins, as the photo-etch kit from Pontos is well above the cost of the Trumpeter kit, but it should be well worth it.  Stay tuned.  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on August 30, 2018, 02:58:19 AM
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Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: ballastanksian on August 30, 2018, 07:48:41 PM
Wow what a superb fleet you are building Dennis! I love the model and can't wait to see the in depth piccies  :-)
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on August 30, 2018, 08:08:03 PM
thank you sir.  Its been a fun project.  I have model cases stacked in my little work room.  I'm calling it my Maritime Museum.  Its a slow process building all the aircraft and applying decals.  My plan is to load the flight deck as much as I can get on there.  Some will have wings folded, some extended.  Taking pictures will have to be done in chunks due to the size of the model of course. that is when you can appreciate the detail with the close up shots.  Getting there.  Its crazy that I'm already chomping at the bit to get started on the USS Essex.  My body has been healing and for the first time in a few years now, I have been able to get out in my wood shop and start making sawdust.  Starting with small furniture for my daughter then plan to build a strip planked cedar canoe next Spring... sure feels good I tell ya.  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: Bob K on August 30, 2018, 08:23:28 PM
Dennis:  Your builds are always fascinating, especially the lengths you go to in accurately detailing them.  With the large number of aircraft you have produced I reckon you have that cracked by now, apart from the many hours taken for each one.

Just wondered how far up the CV number range you intend to go, there have been a huge number built.  I guess one from each class could be an aim.  What are suffixes CVA and CVL ?  Obviously CVN is nuclear.

The CV number list currently goes up to 79 (yippes!) for the John F Kennedy, under construction.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on August 30, 2018, 11:37:40 PM
Well sir, your questions will take a few moments here.  My intention is to build each "class" of USN carriers , from the very first: USS Langley CV-1, up to the first Forrestal class, which will be the USS Ranger CVA-61 which I served aboard in 1969.  She is now scrap.  That will be a total of 7 models for the collection that I am doing.  The Forrestal class truly defined the modern US carrier design and was a conventional powered ship.  Also, the ships just keep getting bigger and I am running out of room.  As for designation, here is the best I can come up with for you: CV: Fleet aircraft carrier (1921-1975), CVA: Aircraft Carrier, Attack (category merged with CV, 30 June 1975). CV(N): Aircraft Carrier, Night (Deck equipped with lighhting and pilots trained and for nighttime fights)(1944)(retired). CVAN: Aircraft Carrier, Attack, Nuclear powered (cataegory merged into CVN, 30 June 1975). CVB: Aircraft Carrier, Large (Original USS Midway class, catagory merged into CVA, 1952). CVE: Escort aircraft carrier (retired)(1943-retirement of type). CVHA: Aircraft Carrier, Helicopter Assault (retired in favor of several LH-series amphibious assault ship hull codes). CVHE: Aircraft Carrier, Helicopter, Escort (retired). CVN: Aircraft Carrier, Nuclear powered.CVS: Antisubmarine Aircraft Carrier. (retired). CVL: Light aircraft carrier (retired). CVG: Aircraft Carrier. Guided Missile (retired). CVV:  Aircraft Carrier Vari-purpose, Medium (retired unused).  (information curtesy of John Chesire, Naval Aviator, Commander USNR retired.  It is to be noted: "Contrary to popular belief the "CV" hull classification symbol does not stand for "Carrier Vessel".  The "CV" designation was originally derived from cruisers, since aircraft carriers were seen as an extension of the sea control and denial mission of cruisers. The "V" designation for heavier-than-air craft comes from the French verb voler (to fly)."  So there you have it.  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: Bob K on August 31, 2018, 10:53:07 AM
Thank you Dennis:  Sorry, I had not realised there were so many variants of CV designations.
Very interesting though.  Thanks for taking the time to explain all that.   :-))
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on September 06, 2018, 05:02:00 AM
Progress is very slow, these pesky little airplaines take forever to build up, paint and get decals on before mounting. Lots to go yet.  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on September 06, 2018, 05:02:29 AM
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Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on September 20, 2018, 09:12:43 PM
A gaggle of F4F's with a TBD-1 riding the aft elevator down to the hanger deck.   10 more TBD's will complete the flight deck squadren and finish the model.  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on September 20, 2018, 09:13:15 PM
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Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on October 10, 2018, 08:56:00 PM
Well Folks, The model of the Yorktown CV-5 is now offically completed.  Next is to order a glass case for her and order my next project, which will be the USS Essex, next the U.S. Navy carrier class of WW2.  I really enjoyed this build. Tons of detail that is difficult to photograph, both on the Hanger Deck and Flight Deck.  Ordering additional aircraft did slow me down, but was well worth the effort. Enjoy the pictures such as they are.  Its going to be a while before I can start my next build, as ship model kit and upscale kits are going to be expensive and I have to save my boat points.  I have started building a mission style coffee table for my wife to ease the sticker shock when I tell her how much. :((  Dennis
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on October 10, 2018, 08:57:02 PM
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Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
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Post by: TailUK on October 10, 2018, 09:26:26 PM
Another triumph, Dennis.
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Post by: raflaunches on October 10, 2018, 09:33:06 PM
Truly beautiful work, canít wait for the next project- good luck with the bribery! :-))
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: ballastanksian on October 10, 2018, 11:09:44 PM

This model shows the tons of work you have put into her at every level including some tidy scratch detailing and an evolution in your below decks effort.


I wouldn't want to risk transporting them, but any convention you displayed these fine vessels at would be proud to have them grace their hall. I expect you would pick up a few awards if entered into any model competitions at said conventions.
Title: Re: USS Yorktown CV-5 Static Build scale 1/350
Post by: dlancast on October 10, 2018, 11:50:08 PM
Thank you gentlemen.   Dennis