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Title: Sun XXI
Post by: goBulawayo on June 30, 2018, 03:49:44 PM
Hi All, I have recently acquired a part built Sun XXI tug - Was there such a thing as a detail kit for this tug? Or was it just a matter of acquiring bits from whatever sources?

Thanks Wayne

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Title: Re: Sun XXI
Post by: Neil on June 30, 2018, 06:03:22 PM

I think it was a full kit with fittings, as I have seen them advertised on ebay with fittings sets in the photos before but on the other hand I think Kingston Mouldings and maybe Mobile Marine Models also used to or still do hull/superstructures for the 21....might be either of those that you have got one of.


all the woodwork for the full kit ill have been marked with printed numbers for the parts.....check the underside of the superstructure...if no numbers on the parts, its a semi kit.....no fittings...


however MMM might do fittings sets generic for the tug.
Title: Re: Sun XXI
Post by: goBulawayo on June 30, 2018, 06:09:09 PM
Hi Neil, no wooden parts for my superstructure, all home made - I have two plans I suspect all the guy I got it from had was the hull and plans - I will contact Kingston Mouldings and MMM - Thanks
Title: Re: Sun XXI
Post by: Martin [Admin] on June 30, 2018, 06:38:38 PM
 
 I seem to remember that the Sun 21 kit was a beautiful hull...... and a box full of wood, very few fittings!   {:-{
Title: Re: Sun XXI
Post by: Martin [Admin] on June 30, 2018, 07:11:43 PM

Just found a photo of the kit.... Westbourne model shop.... 2003!


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Title: Re: Sun XXI
Post by: goBulawayo on June 30, 2018, 07:22:59 PM
Thanks MArtin
Title: Re: Sun XXI
Post by: tugmad on June 30, 2018, 08:06:54 PM
Kingston mouldings are now not trading any more, Lesro do not make the XXI kit any more and Mobile Marine have never made a XXI or any parts for it, their Fellini fittings can be used but they take a lot of work on them to be any good.
I have a lot of photographs of the Four boats IXX ,XX,XXI And XXII if they can be of any use and I also have a set of the original builders drawings.
Title: Re: Sun XXI
Post by: tugmad on June 30, 2018, 08:13:20 PM
(http://modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2018/06/30/AD1F7AA0-EAC6-4EDF-8ED6-77C82019D83D.jpg)

Title: Re: Sun XXI
Post by: goBulawayo on June 30, 2018, 08:41:08 PM
Thanks Tugmad, photos would certainly be of interest, have you got them on a site somewhere? Was it your dad who worked on XXI?

I am taking the tug down to the river tomorrow to check how it runs before I put it aside to await rebuild once I have cleared the bench

Cheers Wayne
Title: Re: Sun XXI
Post by: tugmad on June 30, 2018, 09:46:43 PM
Send me a message with your e mail address and I wii send them to you. 
No my dad worked for Watkins.
Title: Re: Sun XXI
Post by: number-1 on July 08, 2018, 08:45:45 PM
Hi goBulawayo, I've built one of these a long time ago, any fittings where pretty basic in my opinion, 1 thing I thought was, your having a laugh given a piece of wood to carve your own lifeboat!
Have another in the attic which belonged to the father in law, must start it one day, tugmad, any chance I could  see some pics of XX1 for inspiration?
Title: Re: Sun XXI
Post by: goBulawayo on July 08, 2018, 08:56:22 PM
Thanks number-1- Yes the self carved lifeboat would be fun!! If you ever dig out your tug, I wouldn't mind scans of the timber parts to work from please.

Cheers Wayne
Title: Re: Sun XXI
Post by: tugmad on July 08, 2018, 09:03:38 PM
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Title: Re: Sun XXI
Post by: tugmad on July 08, 2018, 09:04:38 PM
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Title: Re: Sun XXI
Post by: tugmad on July 08, 2018, 09:05:52 PM
(http://modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2018/06/30/0A35440F-E0F9-467C-9F3B-2F4B6A1D21B9.jpg)
Title: Re: Sun XXI
Post by: tugmad on July 08, 2018, 09:06:47 PM
I still have the Lesro plans and the builders plans for the XXI.
Title: Re: Sun XXI
Post by: Martin [Admin] on July 08, 2018, 09:07:51 PM
 
What splendid photo!   :-))
Title: Re: Sun XXI
Post by: goBulawayo on July 08, 2018, 09:14:20 PM
I still have the Lesro plans and the builders plans for the XXI.

Hi Tugmad, I do have two plans which I assume are the Lesro and builders plans. I know I can use these to make up the parts, but would be more accurate with scans of actual parts if I can get them.

Cheers Wayne
Title: Re: Sun XXI
Post by: tugmad on July 08, 2018, 09:14:39 PM
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Title: Re: Sun XXI
Post by: tugmad on July 08, 2018, 09:18:48 PM
Hello Wayne, I am afraid that scans of the Lesro kit parts will do you no good as most of them that I have seen are totally the wrong shapes, but you can take the profiles etc from the builders plans if they are the right scale.
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Title: Re: Sun XXI
Post by: goBulawayo on July 08, 2018, 09:21:45 PM
OK I will have a look at the plans, just do not seem to be any sections and sufficient elevations of the superstruture to accurately cut floors, sides etc - Wayne
Title: Re: Sun XXI
Post by: goBulawayo on August 01, 2019, 06:28:08 PM
So finally I have started working on the Sun XXI tug. made up a new engine house roof and now busy making a template for a new deck to fit over the old one, which is a bit untidy.

Does anyone know of any build articles in any model boating magazines please.

Thanks Wayne

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Title: Re: Sun XXI
Post by: Martin [Admin] on August 01, 2019, 09:43:48 PM
 
Excellent!  Looking forward to this build.   :-))
Title: Re: Sun XXI
Post by: goBulawayo on August 04, 2019, 03:07:03 PM
So only minor progress so far, deck/floor and bulkhead pieces cut out from the plan, now to draw up the sides and make those.

Wayne

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Title: Re: Sun XXI
Post by: goBulawayo on August 10, 2019, 02:14:16 PM
A bit more progress on the superstructure and the life boat

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Title: Re: Sun XXI
Post by: Martin [Admin] on August 10, 2019, 03:01:53 PM

Those Lesro Sun hull's  are truly in the top 5 of all model boat hulls ever commercially made!   :-))
Title: Re: Sun XXI
Post by: Capt Podge on August 10, 2019, 03:07:28 PM
... and those window cutouts look good too.
Also, the lifeboat appears to be well carved.
It'll be interesting to see this one coming together  :-)


Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Sun XXI
Post by: goBulawayo on August 10, 2019, 03:39:16 PM
Thanks Ray, they were a pain to cut out but look OK. The lifeboat may be a little flat bottomed, but I am happy with it. Now to order some portholes before I start on the lower part of the superstructure

Wayne
Title: Re: Sun XXI
Post by: dodes on August 16, 2019, 07:27:10 PM
Have several pics I took of her in Gibraltar (in colour), too big to load on this site,, if you want copies send me your email address. Have the same kit in my garage, keep meaning to get it down and make it. Have a personal interest in her, as my father was chief engineer on her for several years, even went with him for a 24 hour shift.
Title: Re: Sun XXI
Post by: goBulawayo on August 21, 2019, 06:20:08 PM
Life boat built, Wayne

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Title: Re: Sun XXI
Post by: Capt Podge on August 21, 2019, 07:07:18 PM
That looks good!
Also good to see the citadel paints being used as part of this hobby as well as the warhammer.  :-))
I've done likewise on a number of my own projects.


Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Sun XXI
Post by: goBulawayo on August 21, 2019, 07:12:09 PM
Thanks Ray, yes the citadel range gets used for all sorts

Wayne
Title: Re: Sun XXI
Post by: dodes on September 02, 2019, 09:07:07 PM
I always thought this pic was of the 21, but it is her sister ship the 22, but I thought it might be useful for detail of the front of the wheelhouse, she is on the Belfast tow when she first arrived on the thames.
Title: Re: Sun XXI
Post by: goBulawayo on September 02, 2019, 09:38:13 PM
Thanks Dodes, did you get my message with email address for images? wkennerley@yahoo.com

Regards Wayne
Title: Re: Sun XXI
Post by: dodes on September 03, 2019, 10:24:37 AM
PM sent . Regards David.
Title: Re: Sun XXI
Post by: dodes on October 21, 2019, 09:17:54 PM
Have just started on my Lesro kit, looks nicely cut wood work, fitting the two bulkheads in at the moment. But the hull moulding is very nice. All the best and hope to see your build on this site. David
Title: Re: Sun XXI
Post by: goBulawayo on October 21, 2019, 09:35:10 PM
Fantastic David, I need to sit down and work out the rest of the superstructure as mine did not come with any parts for it, so I have to draw up my own.

Wayne
Title: Re: Sun XXI
Post by: dodes on October 26, 2019, 05:52:20 PM
There is one thing I remember as a young teenager, I went for a 24hour shift on her as my Dad was her chief engineer then. I remember going up on the flying bridge and the master was sitting on a wood stool and he used a tiller arm to control her no steering wheel. The tiller was about 1/2" thick 3" deep and about 3.5 ft long, the VHF unit was a small basic one with a metal speaker. It was interesting as we were the stern drag to a Royal Mail vessel, we went up the dock and through the swing bridge into the Vic. It was as we were going through the cutting that the Royal Mail stern  counter lifted and came down and hooked a lighter. Soon we were dragging a large number of lighters and the whole was held until a tosher tug could get in and drag the lighter clear. In those days lighters and barges could enter the docks 14 days before and 14 days after a ship enters and leaves dock charges free. Also then any cargo not landed but went overside into a barge did not pay landing charges. When PLA insisted on all cargo be landed and go into the shed, then all the lighterage work finished and container work took over at Tilbury. Also containers could be stuffed over 10 miles from the docks did not need port registered workers, so that finished break bulk work in the docks plus when APL built their 5 large container ships such as the Priam. 55 break bulk ships went to the scrap yard, they at first carried 27,000t of bunkers and 17,000t of cargo. The engineer was given a cassette tape before sailing to tell which fuel tank to use and how to transfer fuel to maintain stability. They eventually had their steam plants removed and diesels fitted, but they were 14 days U/k to Japan, my friend of some time ago was chief mate on the Priam becoming a junior captain in the company(blue funnel) used to tell me about them over a pint.
Title: Re: Sun XXI
Post by: number-1 on October 26, 2019, 06:23:07 PM
Does anyone know for sure if below the waterline was copper coloured as shown by Lesro?
Title: Re: Sun XXI
Post by: dodes on October 26, 2019, 08:06:31 PM
I may be corrected, but I believe it was a thin white boot topping with the usual dull red anti foul paint.
Title: Re: Sun XXI
Post by: dodes on November 16, 2019, 09:09:19 PM
Well I have done the deck, engine and shaft, now contemplating making up the anchor stowage box. But all hold at the moment, because it is to cold to work in the garage, the wood glue is taking all day to set instead of 30 minutes. But have noticed that the real vessel aft had a top only over her steering gear not as the model plans have right across the stern, so that is next to put right when it warms up a bit.