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Title: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 26, 2018, 09:57:53 PM
I will be building this here starting late November after the Warwick boat show. The build will incorporate KMB water jets with now functional reversing buckets. Andy Griggs tells me the buckets are now included in the kit. I find this remarkable having looked at the offering from Thomas Sievers at Ä73 each untested. I will also be using Simon's impellers Protean.
My build is not in any way in competition with those other fine builds by Kim or Chris Scott, indeed I hope they will help me when I need it  :-)


Best regards to my forum friends
Andy
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on September 26, 2018, 11:55:52 PM
Andy,
Welcome to the 'Shannon Club'. We don't feel there is any sort of competition here, just enjoy the research and your build and please share it with us - I have had lots of help from 'all over the place' in getting to where I am today..............and still learning, mightily!! Sure, if you need any help or advice there will be someone here that can help or point you in the right direction.
Well, I have just come back to my 'thread', after a long lay-off...............so better get on with that, but great to see another Shannon getting underway in Dry Dock.
Send me a PM and I will give you my email address, should you wish.
Enjoy the winter months and your build.
Kim

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 29, 2018, 08:55:28 PM
Thank you Kim  :-))
I must confess this will be my second Shannon but one I can share with the help and support of MBD experienced builders.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 02, 2018, 10:59:05 PM
An early question for other MBD builders
This regards trim tabs and their operation. I imagine a couple of options but Iíd like the benefit of others experience please.
I imagine direct overhead servo operation as is possible with a removable deck, is this still possible with a fixed deck ? I guess yes with a sympathetically designed hatch.
The other option is remote servo with a 90 bellcrank
Has anyone fabricated their trim tabs yet? Pictures would be appreciated.
I have in stock so far
2x Turnigy SK3 1250kv outrunners
2x Turnigy marine 50amp ESC  proven to be more than adequate
2x KMB jet 28 RIVA-Calzoni recommended by Andy Griggs as suitable for his reverse buckets
2x Protean impellers to collect
2x KMB motor adaptor plates
2x KMB splash guards
6x servos Corona DS329MG midi size,  again proven in use without issues.
Input from other builders on what you use is welcomed for options
A drawer full of radar motors from china, Component shop no longer stock unfortunately.
If anyone wants the ebay link? you can negotiate with the seller yourself.


Is it acceptable/desirable to post links to the source of each supplier? Martin?

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: tica on October 03, 2018, 03:48:07 PM
What type of battery will you be using ?
And looking fwd for the build log
I'm building a Thor coast guard from BB at the moment it is with KMB Jet 28, and is thinking about getting the Protean impellers for it.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 03, 2018, 04:08:07 PM
What type of battery will you be using ?
And looking fwd for the build log
I'm building a Thor coast guard from BB at the moment it is with KMB Jet 28, and is thinking about getting the Protean impellers for it.


Hi Tica. I will be using 2 x 4s LiPo 5000mah minimum each
Replied to your pm  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: tica on October 03, 2018, 04:49:23 PM
4S ok then you are still at the recommended max RPM. I'm running a Palm Beach with 1800KV and 3S and need 90A ESC (same setup for the Thor but times 2), for the next jetboat build I would consider a solution like yours.
PM well received  :-))

Carsten
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: gregk9 on October 06, 2018, 03:47:59 PM
for trim tab operation, Ive installed flexi "aircraft elevator" cables, run inside nylon tubing to act as a sleeve, so I can mount the servos remotely and fully accessible in the main compartment, rather than back at the stern, risking yet another water ingress source.  just another option to consider.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 07, 2018, 07:57:13 PM
Thanks Steve. I have seen this done on the nozzle steering but not on trim tabs. I have yet to see anyones scratch made trim tabs for an MBD. Can you offer any photos?
Cheers Andy
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Neil on October 07, 2018, 08:14:57 PM
Thanks Steve. I have seen this done on the nozzle steering but not on trim tabs. I have yet to see anyones scratch made trim tabs for an MBD. Can you offer any photos?
Cheers Andy



just use your speedline ones as templates for making in 16/18  gauge brass O0
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 07, 2018, 08:19:35 PM
Ultimately that is a good starting point as they are quite like the real ones. I would still like to see others examples rather than spend time doing what might be made easier with the benefit of their experience. I would also prefer direct overhead servo rods as they look closer to the real actuating rams
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 08, 2018, 07:13:37 AM
Having had a good think about this on the throne this morning I have concluded that black phenolic sheet will be a better option. Brass will soon look tatty as the paint wears or worse chips off in use. Various thicknesses are readily available and most likely use 2mm
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: C-3PO on October 08, 2018, 08:45:23 AM
I would also prefer direct overhead servo rods as they look closer to the real actuating rams

Voila!

(http://modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2018/10/08/IMG_2486.jpg)

C-3PO
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 08, 2018, 09:31:39 AM
Looks super thanks Jonathan
What has John used to fabricate the tabs?
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 08, 2018, 09:05:12 PM
I will fashion them from this along with other thicknesses from stock


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2mm-Phenolic-paper-laminate-sheet-SRBP-B4-200-mm-x-75-mm-electrical-insulation/121663971875?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=420668834505&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2mm-Phenolic-paper-laminate-sheet-SRBP-B4-200-mm-x-75-mm-electrical-insulation/121663971875?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=420668834505&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 08, 2018, 09:22:29 PM
I'm pretty sure with Andy's new reversing buckets to fit the KMB drives that I can replicate this appearance and performance. The trim tabs operate automatically in response to forward speed and bucket lowering. Facilitated by mixing channels with open TX software on FRsky Taranis TX
My drives arrived from Germany today  :-)


https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-RCVhZC2/0/b135a233/1280/i-RCVhZC2-1280.mp4 (https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-RCVhZC2/0/b135a233/1280/i-RCVhZC2-1280.mp4)

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: C-3PO on October 09, 2018, 08:34:41 AM
Looks super thanks Jonathan
What has John used to fabricate the tabs?
Hi Andy - I think they are made aluminium

C-3PO
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 09, 2018, 02:27:59 PM
They look well
My Paxolin is on the way to experiment with
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 11, 2018, 09:08:41 AM
Iím thinking my MBD will be Workington to avoid the need for the beach launch and recovery equipment
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: kinmel on October 12, 2018, 10:54:14 PM
Iím thinking my MBD will be Workington to avoid the need for the beach launch and recovery equipment
You really think Workington's davit system will be easier to replicate?      ....  https://vimeo.com/226882344 (https://vimeo.com/226882344)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 12, 2018, 10:56:45 PM
 {-) {-)  No Alan but it opens up further possibilities  :-)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 13, 2018, 11:25:45 AM
Thanks to a donated photo by Andrew Cowling I see Workington still has a keel extension so I guess they all do regardless? I could do with some bow photos for her. That video shows everything else  :-))


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/Speedline-photos/i-hMFdcXD/0/ed55094b/X3/IMG_20180913_181535-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-N7q62JV/0/94cb0eeb/X2/i-N7q62JV-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on April 01, 2019, 08:52:54 PM
A lot of posts and not yet struck a bat  {-)
I decided to put my other builds in order and finish them one by one rather than attempting multiple models all vying for attention.
At this point today I've reached a milestone of brass completion. This will all have to made again for my MBD.
No more soldering for me this year  :-) 
See you again a couple of boats from now  %%
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-S2S2HTm/0/5cf88d83/X5/i-S2S2HTm-X5.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-MrCtQZV/0/11136f5c/X5/i-MrCtQZV-X5.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on April 02, 2019, 03:33:50 PM
I missed the cabin front railings  :embarrassed: 
After a question from Mick French I've now learned that the shannon uses two types of lifering beacon. Compare Scarborough to Workington above  :-))


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-mDXF6ZR/1/dc0506cf/X5/i-mDXF6ZR-X5.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Pragmatist on July 04, 2019, 09:17:23 PM
Looking forward to seeing this build in progress.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on July 24, 2019, 10:34:01 AM
Making a start when my drives arrive. Then I can work out dimensions for OceanWorks to make intake grills and trim tabs.
I'm not using the Kehrer drives I purchased last year

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: dpbarry on July 26, 2019, 11:53:41 AM
Hi Taranis

Any particular reason why you aren't using the Kehrer drives?

I see they are out of stock at moment on Oceanworks but I'm not sure if its a case of them just being out of stock or they make to order.

What has been your experience in purchasing and pricing compared to Kehrer?

Regards

Declan

Making a start when my drives arrive. Then I can work out dimensions for OceanWorks to make intake grills and trim tabs.
I'm not using the Kehrer drives I purchased last year
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on July 26, 2019, 01:45:48 PM

Hi Declan Iím not over enamoured with Kehrer not producing a realistic hamilton reversing bucket when there is clearly a marketing opportunity
I donít especially love the one supplied by Andy either
OceanWorks are revising the jet to a suitable size for me and the Shannon and will be sent to me when victor has tested them
Sales are suspended pending revisions
Buying was easy and delivery a couple of weeks without me receiving import charges on this occasion.


Iíd advise waiting until you see how I get on installing these before spending  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 01, 2019, 09:15:25 AM
The new design
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-9K8rf5h/0/f15f1513/L/09D31048-C11F-432A-9977-6D830BF96A0B-L.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: dpbarry on August 01, 2019, 09:40:59 AM
Looks good.

Saw the photo over on CC's blog. Is the direction thrust controlled by a servo attached to the square block? If so, what's you views on it in terms of sturdiness.

Declan
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 01, 2019, 09:46:47 AM
Itís up to the builder how they achieve function.
Yes itís sturdy
I donít have any experience of the MBD and have it all to discover
Given that access to the stern is limited I would not be mounting servos there and I donít think anyone does in either model

Having said that all may change during construction

Clearly my Speedline is a very different approach with full access
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-2gmtvXJ/0/f0411790/X4/i-2gmtvXJ-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 01, 2019, 10:32:58 AM
Picture for scale
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-JXm6ssk/1/d099347c/X3/6F6E3B78-9BFB-4DEF-B778-10D0F959AB4B-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 01, 2019, 01:40:32 PM
Like a virgin
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-wVVRpfd/0/9040fc7e/X3/0E5BA6C6-F5A0-4E6E-8FD2-1AFB56E0BCBF-X3.jpg)


Touched for the very first time


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-tf4g3F2/0/b0613ac0/X3/67DA459D-66C4-4DDD-8CED-216882284BBA-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-zp8JsGk/0/be66fc50/X3/6639152B-3FC3-4D65-972A-C410976F847A-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-5pqNCWz/0/286257ec/X3/2444E7AD-F20E-4D4F-B73C-0327FD489E19-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-zRZ52bf/0/7cf88bf8/X3/2BC30FE0-426B-4BF0-9059-9CE0B7DE58F5-X3.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Z6WhVqt/1/9ff841b8/X3/0FAC027E-10A8-4FA9-B895-FDF72E46BDD9-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-CMDh67b/0/cafc7495/X3/906F727D-6809-40ED-9CF7-4258D9944394-X3.jpg)


Much more to come from Victor. I'm now committed CUT ONCE!  {-)


Grills in progress
Transom plates and trim tabs discussed
Making buckets left and right handed also discussed


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-hC2KVrH/0/5f97dd38/X2/21F112A1-33A8-4376-B74C-F76A2AAD87BE-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: dpbarry on August 01, 2019, 03:37:07 PM
Excellent. Looking forward to more photos!  :-)) :-))

Have to say, I like the paint job inside the hull in the first photograph. I'll be taking a similar approach. Maybe its from my days at helping my brother and cousin building Rally Cars. Engine bay and crew compartment was always sprayed diamond white and scrutineers always loved to see the car coming in as everything was gleaming which made their job of checking it over easier.

Can't say it was clean after the first few stages but still, was always easy to spot water or oil leaks etc. Same logic will apply to all my boats.

Declan
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 01, 2019, 04:00:06 PM
 :-))
Two coats of Hammerite smooth white by brush


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-b6NHJBb/0/b44441eb/X3/8E64FFCE-D92F-4EC2-A153-39B911A6E136-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-D3xcV9c/0/63274c17/X3/8B05A731-3F03-49E3-83AC-C0D0C0ECDEF1-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-LMZPLdB/0/bc158375/X3/75B9C7ED-8001-4637-AD32-27C51DEFEF2E-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-SmTf4xp/0/15952b4f/X3/45352B5B-23C0-483D-9028-82A8609E1D28-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 01, 2019, 04:28:59 PM
A bonus snippet is..........
Protean/PropShop impellers for Kehrer will fit OceanWorks 28mm jets
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-9fCzF7P/0/0a26befe/X3/1449C9AC-AF8A-4623-8166-2743A0CB1285-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 02, 2019, 12:46:38 AM
Bilge keels fitted. Here is the original MK1 Speedline intake grill which fits very well. I will have to see what Victor produces for me/us
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-fXxGMqq/0/2a4e0122/X3/FFA69708-CFF4-4553-A0FD-3732A9A74DD0-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 02, 2019, 09:07:01 PM
Busy on other things today including boat stuff.
I've started reading Kim's thread for help. A wonderful resource!
Only job today on mine is as per page one according to Kim  :kiss:


To equalise the hull flange all round.  I may get to level the Keel tomorrow or at least reinforce the inside with resin before starting. Hindsight is a wonderful thing
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-K4sKq28/0/38860ec4/X4/ED6DC7D3-3A3C-47C2-AB7B-E0EC054F2694-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 02, 2019, 09:59:11 PM
Andy,
That is such a neat and orderly Shannon build - a real inspiration and standard for us to aspire to. It's great that we can all benefit from each other, so it was good to read your comments regarding my 'thread'. Maybe it's worth the time invested in producing it. If it was not for this I would not have met Arno and that's the biggest 'reward' I could ever have had through MBM and lifeboats.
I do like the look of your intended water-jets, even though I am satisfied with mine [when I originally saw Andy G's perform at Headcorn a few years back I knew we at least had one set-up that could work effectively and fast!]. However, it is good when there are two or more options when we need equipment and tools. Your 'man' Victor seems to be a real 'gen' guy.
Like you I have spent some good time today in the workshop and might get round to putting my catch up work on my 'thread' later.
Keep up the good work, there are so many MbD Shannons being built, maybe a few other folk could show us their progress on one of our pages here?
Kim
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 02, 2019, 11:23:42 PM
Kim I am not even past page 13 of your thread and I can honestly say I will be!/would be struggling without your exceptionally helpful guide.
I believe Victor will come up trumps with the rest of the parts that will make life so much easier for MBD builders.
I expect I will be the first to receive parts as they become available from OceanWorks and I plan to have the hull up and running at the earliest opportunity.
 I already had motors in stock Turnigy SK3 1250KV and from experience with the 1185KV in my other Shannon I know these may be a bit too lively unless I drop to 3S batteries perhaps.
I also already have 50 amp Turnigy Marine ESC's and I know again from experience that these motors don't even reach half their max current at full speed as I was unable to blow 25amp fuses.


I need to get some T bar tomorrow  O0
Cheers Andy
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 03, 2019, 01:02:14 PM
My local over the road Ironmongers is real cheap. 2metres of T bar was £6.32  :-) 
This is what they had
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-dhcmvcw/0/bf4d57f8/XL/CF216F2B-A982-47F8-93F2-A2BFAA0A8DFB-XL.jpg)


So using Kim's help here
https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,54069.msg572872.html#msg572872 (https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,54069.msg572872.html#msg572872)


I've fitted the first of three support spars being careful to maintain the width of the stern corners 345mm on mine
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-QcXgMG6/0/7e1c2158/X3/C6298893-48C8-490B-A21A-16B7B0C8811F-X3.jpg)


However initially it felt a bit too flimsy for my liking so I've bolstered with 50mm of angle using 5 minute epoxy. I had 3mm countersunk screws in stock so used these.


Abrade glued surfaces with course grit
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-BLjgDNT/0/5704d627/XL/916A7CE4-D3BF-42A6-9ACD-BB0C1C5CE902-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-MqHB6WW/0/81992f3c/X3/57D60143-4578-48AC-943C-8DF878E36EE8-X3.jpg)


I made note that Kim said the stern has the required camber and if you eye up from behind you can see the required curve. I will put something in the centre at suitable height and bend a length of styrene across the beam to use as a guide for a pencil line

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-ZcDXMLL/0/166c5ab7/X4/DBE86F4C-4DFE-4695-A8E2-172243216CD1-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 03, 2019, 01:28:34 PM
I love a bit of improv.
Here I've used a scrap of 6mm paxolin clamped central and level with the hull sides
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-444JmN8/0/9aeb4ad8/X3/7FAB3B19-0FF9-4C2A-AA1B-242412A87758-X3.jpg)


Then laid a 1 metre rule across to copy the stern profile. Rather than deduct the thickness of the rule and pen I will cut to this profile and shim the stretcher down to the right height if necessary


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-rHSVmbz/0/dbaac141/X3/62E04B51-B00C-456E-BA69-57399F4657ED-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-rLk3Lk6/0/842686a8/X3/C0126317-849C-4510-85A9-EAD312A5BBE7-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 03, 2019, 07:27:06 PM
Nearly finished the stretchers, pictures later.


This is the 20mm nozzle and bucket for my 28mm drives
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49948325_2049715698442717_2729260766656987136_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_oc=AQlTcVz8cqrO0tC4BGzjIEDZrVxssEM8Q69RfQdLufj_l9p-vteQc6jOoG-zuzpISrQ&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr3-1.xx&oh=b2faae00501d74ed22e5b4abc945628c&oe=5DE4C972)


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Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Pragmatist on August 03, 2019, 07:48:51 PM
Received my Models by design Shannon last week. Just wondering what is the very first step of the build?
Thanks,
Matt

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 03, 2019, 08:08:11 PM
I recommend you read Canterbury Coxwain's thread.
Personally I generally start with the running gear and if you go back in my thread you will see the order I do things myself.
I'm doing this live for the first time but saving time thanks to Kim's thread


Stretchers all fitted and shaped. The addition of shims between the fixings also means the T section is deeper and thus proportionally more rigid. The deck fits very well and I'll be screwing it down and trimming around next.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-4J4FLRm/0/12a4de3e/X4/AB14A872-7309-40BF-8AEF-0FAA6222DF99-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-mw2btgz/0/9abec5b8/X4/72FF6836-F239-4061-965E-73E3149EB52D-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-GRPpHXJ/0/3d448699/X4/0E7253E3-CA88-4099-9226-15C4E70096F2-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 03, 2019, 10:14:42 PM
Very productive day
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-VQpZ9p6/0/cae61de6/X3/EB8D3C01-5E14-4979-9F1A-C25B099A02A6-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-b8Qv975/0/b4a0803f/X3/72772389-E17F-4032-8E8B-E0D90CA5D53E-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 04, 2019, 12:29:56 PM
Quick job with the right tool. Finish off by hand file.
Donor material for stern hatch provided.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-bhQmjPP/0/ca6384b2/X3/46DB1DB3-E658-4C84-B0CD-C83206EEAD83-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 04, 2019, 02:36:24 PM
I see many parts in the MBD kit are a direct result of your meticulous work KIM  8)  So another big thank you.
Much of what I've read in your much earlier posts is rendered unnecessary to todays builder and very much saving time  :-) .
P.S. I've asked Chris what he does about stern access
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 04, 2019, 03:55:40 PM
Tidied up
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-ppGzFkz/0/1863d7d5/X3/8F0A4E42-86DA-4196-9059-9C62992F06C0-X3.jpg)


Cabin now follows the deck
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-D333HwP/0/53a4e6d9/X3/D1E51C74-B9B2-4923-9D77-5FD359598C3A-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-mFmPkKk/0/1851ae21/X3/812BC7E2-480B-45EA-A9B7-E9EF93599290-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-C8kNrZH/0/0afe1ca0/X3/609E6FCC-77EB-4A69-A128-4B27A260D078-X3.jpg)


To be the third musketeer I'm also modifying the cabin front.  :-))


I'll cut to this side of the line and glue the offcut underneath flush to the edge before glassing in


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-FxjcQfT/0/3b3a9f71/X3/041377CD-1B82-440F-9832-5AE6ECCED3B2-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 04, 2019, 08:14:15 PM
Easy job
Glassed inside
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-p7Wjjfq/0/5fa52b34/X3/C81C2D08-1C61-4B78-968E-B7553C0D846F-X3.jpg)


Ready for filler outside. Soon look like nothing happened
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-GRQ9ZF8/0/595440ec/X3/0C71BFC0-5601-4F50-8CA4-C119681CA0C0-X3.jpg)

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 04, 2019, 08:55:35 PM
A note for Kim & Arno.
I've never seen anyone notice this or report of doing anything to correct it?




If you draw the outline of the cabin when in the correct place and shaped to the deck. The cabin side walls have a mind of their own especially the starboard side here (left of the picture) I plan to fit an aluminium strip to both sides with bends where required.


EDIT its actually the right of picture that needs a kick imposing on it 


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-P7Hj2kC/0/bddca72c/X4/382E8D12-6E52-4231-A48C-63B8C278EF2F-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 04, 2019, 09:28:52 PM
These are the critical points, I've fitted paxolin spacers and I will need more at the corners to prevent twisting.
A consequence of this is my beautifully contoured cabin needs more taking off to make up for the gap I now have at that point on the right
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-9xfFx4L/0/06c02e19/X3/2D9C354E-90FF-4F24-9262-3014C3770339-X3.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-RL9WgDt/0/230a6a5f/X3/1E436624-4A1C-4F13-9592-85D8D9E3173F-X3.jpg)


EDIT I had spare to play with as was still a little high on this side  :-))



Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 05, 2019, 11:14:12 AM
Andy makes a good point here - when progressing at these points of a build it is definitely 'gently, gently catchy monkey'! In other words, a little at a time and always keep an open mind on the way forward you have chosen - the build is 'organic'. Believe me, I have taught Project Management up and down the country for the Cabinet Office in virtually every Government department -
As for the the sides of the wheelhouse I have not got a problem with my one. That said, there are many ways to rectify this and even add some strength to the lower edge, just to make it more robust for the countless times it will taken off and on. There is even the chance to to add the little 'meniscus' joint to the deck surface, just like the real boat..................hmmm %% 
Kim [C.C.]



Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 05, 2019, 01:38:20 PM
As I see it the only way to stop the cabin being able to slide about is to prevent it mechanically


My first step solution is blocks of Paxolin which CA's in place easily and is waterproof and paintable


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-bdC9nbH/0/0ae8da38/X4/53571210-95B8-4900-8E24-6AEA4482B4ED-X4.jpg)


Now I can continue with filler then grind of the hatch


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-wq3Pjxf/0/e7e47b23/X3/1BD21DDC-9E2A-4EAC-ADFA-194BE2DA54EA-X3.jpg)


A meniscus is a good idea  :-)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-ncgCpd9/0/1ae4fc9e/X3/75552562-AB01-49F4-A03F-043200E5A645-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 05, 2019, 05:17:56 PM
I've gone on another tack for the hatch
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-jdkKPGg/0/039179cc/X3/7366B74D-BBFA-4282-A098-7EEF682B2682-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-K5xfVZQ/0/c3015a3c/X3/FF8C47D5-0449-4FF9-B84B-6C22507DBB41-X3.jpg)
Being very careful to make sure the Gel coats are level across the gaps
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-4PrjDT5/0/5cd6e43f/X3/87A646C3-D3F8-467A-BDB6-B5AD08B6F52B-X3.jpg)

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon. Cheap stand for transport display and building
Post by: Taranis on August 07, 2019, 03:42:23 PM
A good time to show pictures of the stand I copied from a friend MOXCY
40mm solvent weld waste pipe. I screwed some pieces rather than stuck so I can dismantle to replace the foam.


The T fitting is not equal so it's necessary to glue it inserted just far enough that you can maintain 90 degrees


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-dqLmhsP/1/7298f5f0/X3/73A3E279-CB46-4E40-9601-B613EDDA2D06-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-F3sDvPq/1/6511574a/X3/EEC1C8D4-DF12-4A42-B7A9-44AC5A48D80F-X3.jpg)

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 07, 2019, 09:56:23 PM
After much agonising and corrective work I've come up with my personal set of stanchion locations. I'm sure these will vary from modeller to modeller with each of their own interpretations


The stanchions could act as fixings for the deck for those thinking of keeping it removable for refurbishment.

EDIT. The rear stretcher has been moved from Kim's 10.5" to 11.25"
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-BXv3pn9/0/be35cc5d/X4/7C132878-42D2-4EE8-8788-01822EC1CE41-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-JhdwRSR/0/cec5be19/X3/327F0361-E73E-4C31-9943-D37A7DB362DF-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 08, 2019, 08:45:09 PM
A few bits done today including my first ever 3D structure from styrene  {-)  from little acorns grow!


The life raft housing.
I've used Deluxe material fusion adhesive to bond it to the GRP


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-cRn4HmJ/0/d95fd044/X3/365DCBA6-6B98-4BEE-857C-0D03046C5E9F-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Hgf8dsM/0/eb75284b/X3/E3B19948-B485-40F1-8F20-012BDD80EBC4-X3.jpg)


Admiral putty to finish off  ready for final primer
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-5x9WZL4/0/06274ea1/X3/A0BCAF22-BDF8-41A4-BC2A-9DCE628901FC-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-brtW2mG/0/e3192212/X3/637F5ED9-6441-41C0-B481-E9BEC76AAEC3-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: me3 on August 08, 2019, 09:10:11 PM
Hi, Fantastic build as usual!
I have a bit of a controversial question - not looking to cause trouble - but as you have both the speedline and MBD shannons, which is more accurately made in terms of hull and superstructure shape etc or are they both fairly similar?
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: RST on August 08, 2019, 09:16:54 PM
...what's "admiral putty" out of interest also please?  Google was no help.


Rich
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 08, 2019, 09:17:36 PM
That's a very difficult question. They are definitely different sizes. Both very good on their own I would say with positives and negatives evenly distributed betwixt. The only obvious thing to me that stands out on the Speedline is the top spray bar stops too short. I really like the completely removable deck. The MBD is so far as expected and will be challenging having to conjure stuff up  {-)  there lies the fun


Thanks  :-)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 08, 2019, 09:19:54 PM
...what's "admiral putty" out of interest also please?  Google was no help.


Rich
Caught me out there  {-)   Squadron putty  O0
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: me3 on August 08, 2019, 09:22:42 PM
That's a very difficult question. They are definitely different sizes. Both very good on their own I would say with positives and negatives evenly distributed betwixt. The only obvious thing to me that stands out on the Speedline is the top spray bar stops too short. I really like the completely removable deck. The MBD is so far as expected and will be challenging having to conjure stuff up  {-)  there lies the fun


Thanks  :-)

Interesting - I thought that would be the case! Enjoy the build, I will be watching with interest!
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 08, 2019, 09:31:11 PM
Regarding the life raft housing. I've not filed the opening out to the top line on the moulding as I think it is too near the top edge. The Diamond shaped fitting for the safety line anchorage has to fit between at a later point. I have made the back box full size so I can file the top line further up if needs be whenever. Of course I've had to fill the front face too
If you look at the picture further back before cutting you may see what I mean

Roughly indicated

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-gKZkJtb/0/397615ff/L/D976B00D-00BE-433A-8DE3-102063E0D580-L.jpg)


EDIT
Comparison
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-4XSWDtv/0/ee64b6ad/X4/i-4XSWDtv-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: RST on August 08, 2019, 09:56:40 PM

(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-4XSWDtv/0/ee64b6ad/X4/i-4XSWDtv-X4.jpg)

....It's just not a "pretty" boat by any means is it!  Such is the way with Naval Architecture now.


LoL on the "Squadron".  Reminds me we used to work with lots of ex-military guys offshore, they all had ranks that continued affectionately "if" earned offshore, nobody earned "Admiral" but we had some "Napoleons" LoL.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 08, 2019, 09:58:31 PM
Must be Marmite I love the boat completely especially sailing her  :-)
I'm supposed to be finishing her but the MBD has taken over for now
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-Sn4NQGS/0/4391cb11/X5/i-Sn4NQGS-X5.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: alan44 on August 08, 2019, 10:09:19 PM
Looking good Andy. I'm getting back to my Shannon now.
My builds been static for 12 months  {:-{
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 08, 2019, 10:13:52 PM
Looking good Andy. I'm getting back to my Shannon now.
My builds been static for 12 months  {:-{


Heck I thought yours would be finished by now  %%  but I know life gets in the way and I'm a prime example but retirement is helping and I do have two boats with "practical completion"  {-)  even if they don't have lights  ;D


Please give us some pictures when you can! so we know what's achievable   :-)) 
P.S. You can email me some if you like and I'll post them up  :-)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 08, 2019, 11:27:38 PM
For those starting out full of questions I thought it might be helpful to discuss brass rod.
For the big stuff i.e. the bow and stern railings I use 1/8 or 3.18mm some other builders use 3.5mm
For the grab rails etc I use 2.7mm and I donít know that others use different
The only smaller rod is the grab rails on the bow and Iíd suggest 2mm
For the stanchions I also use 3.18mm but this will accept a serviceable 3.5mm thread so my stanchions are fastened to the deck with nuts


Nothing is set in stone so do what you feel is right.


If I really get stuck in I might manage 2 stanchions per day as a guide so don't think its a race. Take your time and if its not right recycle it.


Some use styrene instead but that's not my choice
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-mDXF6ZR/1/dc0506cf/X4/i-mDXF6ZR-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Pragmatist on August 09, 2019, 07:36:52 AM
Absolutely love that colour on the Shannon. How on earth do you make those stanchions and railings? That's some serious modelling.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 09, 2019, 09:45:26 AM
Hi Marty thanks
The colour is mainly primer. I only assembled it temporarily to sail her at Wicksteed park Mayhem meet.
I'll do my best as I progress to illustrate how I make the railings and stanchions



As this is slow motion I find it best played at maximum speed. Credit to Martin  8)
https://youtu.be/Llumyx-vWnA (https://youtu.be/Llumyx-vWnA)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 09, 2019, 11:49:45 PM
For those who want to invest more into their build you can rev up standard supplied parts with luxury bits quite easily.
Many including myself buy bolts of various sizes from this company in Germany
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-x2xDfCV/0/5d70aa19/X3/6921693A-55BD-4708-9EDC-9E9668026787-X3.jpg)


This towing bollard is an ideal example. Cut off the cast heads and remark to drill with one of these Archimedes drills
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-5xKSJcq/0/11ce771d/X3/D43D5DA3-EBFF-4C7B-BE08-061EF0599565-X3.jpg)


I've tapped these 1.6mm and fitted the bolts for the photo
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-gtZwzxX/0/e218be13/X3/B488C3FA-BDBD-493E-B0C4-5921907B372C-X3.jpg)


When finally painted black they really stand out as extra detail


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-6t226MJ/0/258b18ff/X3/722DD78E-2397-45C1-AA7D-718FC35691D1-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: ChrisH1981 on August 10, 2019, 10:36:09 AM
Morning Andy, Watching your MBD Shannon build with interest!! :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: mrzippy on August 10, 2019, 11:06:21 AM
Hi Andy,

Good to see you're soldiering on with your builds -
you'll need to buy shares in a plastic cement manufacturer when you start Maggie M !

Thought about enquiring when you flagged up your nice looking Expo Archimedes on Portgarth build -
is it ok? certainly looks good quality - reason for asking -
I've bought various El'cheapo Archimedes over the years and been disappointed with the inaccuracy of the centering,
wobbly etc - end up using my trusty pin vice (but it's hard work and slow if you have lots of holes to make).

I'm following all the Shannon builds with great interest (will build one myself one day),
you have my sympathies with the rear access hatch problem - I cannot see an obvious answer,
but beginning to appreciate the method in Adrians madness with the lift off deck !

Wondering - are the existing moulded hatches (even if they could be made operational - a tricky job)
in the correct position above to allow access to the gubbins below ?  Guessing not ??

How about a complete lift off rear deck section a la Speedline -
loose the bulk of join line under the back of the cabin, you'll have an obvious join line on the port side deck,
loose the other join line through the side hatch on the starboard deck,
whole of the back deck lifts off !

Now is this a possibility? does it gain any advantage??  is it dooable??? etc etc I know not,
a bit of outside the box thinking - chuck one in the mix might spark an idea.

regards Paul
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 10, 2019, 01:58:46 PM
Hi Chris in Birmigham  :-)


Hi Paul
The rear hatches don't need to work so long as I can remove them (magnets)
I don't think the whole rear deck could be made to work with the fenders. For now I'm doing nothing until Victor comes up with the goods, until I have the parts fitted I don't know exactly where I need to get a screwdriver or Allen key.
I have always liked the removable deck and it was a major selling point but I would not want the MBD to be the same, or there would be no interest for me in building this and there are other advantages to a removable cabin. I would like to have seen Andy's windows in the Speedline a much better affair IMHO.
I find the hand drill to be fine  :-)


Thanks for your ideas


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-PKWPLJt/0/cd23b0b5/X3/12EDCE52-5885-4DC2-BA5A-5247792177A5-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-mVbSrz7/0/45e952a6/X3/124F040A-1AD1-4367-877C-14E9842B26BD-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 10, 2019, 05:21:45 PM
I doubt this is the full solution but it will help
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-PM4qfnQ/1/204e9e77/X2/92E46C04-413F-4DB9-B3A2-4309272D4D3C-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: mrzippy on August 11, 2019, 10:35:44 AM
Hi Andy,
One Expo Archimedes duly ordered thanks for the heads up,
thought of another idea re Shannon, admittedly first suggestion was rather OTT - but hey from small acorns.

Would a hidden hatch in the deck, underneath the overhanging (helms position) part of the cabin,
to the rear of the main hatch opening,  be of help ?
Benefits - no visible cuts in the deck, all hidden under the rear cabin projection, appreciate what your saying about waiting for
Victor but its fun to bounce ideas around and have the wrinkles ironed out for when/if I get around to building one myself.

Problem with that is - one large Canadian Logging Tug to finish !
and that's only after building a new bigger workshop - the space needed to build another project that's ongoing
1/6 Atlantic 85 RNLI RIB - 4 Action Men, working brushless outboards etc. Paul




Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 11, 2019, 11:59:07 AM
Hi Andy,
All seems to be progressing well. I know a lot of folk are following this thread with great interest, so would just like to 'throw into the ring' another source of screws, bolts and washers that I have been using for almost 20 years in the building of my lifeboats - EKP Supplies, Nr. Barnstaple in North Devon, who make a lot of quality products for the steam model builders. Like you, I use a lot of Knupfer products, mainly their stainless steel very small sized bolts, nuts and washers. They certainly help to 'detail' a model. However, EKP will do the larger numbers and also in brass, which can either be plated - using one of the nickel adhesion processes [which I know 1709 has done to great effect recently] or else spraying [likewise with 17-09]. This works out a lot cheaper, especially when one has an engine access hatch to detail with either 110 or 220 bolts!! Also, if they are going to be covered in anti-slip paint [like on the Trent], then brass is good enough. They also made me to order, many years ago now, 1,000 brass 14BA bolts with a 12BA thread [this did not strip the thread in the tapped hole so easily] and these have been used on my Trent and some other areas of other lifeboats. However, made to order they did cost well over £200! - just don't mention those to my wife, and yes, I did not charge this item to the 'house keeping' account. Going back to your approach, I would always use the Knupfer stainless for safety snap-lines fixtures, pulpit and aerial fixings [etc.,.], they do give a great appearance and are less likely to rust.
[added with Andy's 'thumbs up OK']
Canterbury Coxswain
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: ChrisH1981 on August 11, 2019, 07:23:09 PM
Hi kim just to say I have also been following your build thread of 13-02 Dungeness with intent and always look forward to yours and Andys progress updates, please keep adding to the threads, even in years to come, this info will be invaluable  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 12, 2019, 04:52:43 PM
Thank you for the comments and suggestions.
Slow progress
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-4bqs7S2/0/322efb92/X3/899CBE4A-4E99-4150-9273-C1338177DF3F-X3.jpg)


Here I want to point out a small problem that is best sorted sooner rather than later as it may affect the windscreen at a much later date.
View these images as they say more than words


Port view
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-srFPMBZ/0/623b38d4/X3/C3D1A6CE-D6A9-464D-9573-4308B6F79495-X3.jpg)


Starboard
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-KSKZQ6q/0/1f39072c/X3/F238DE56-5488-465B-A8B1-B2CEF6C4F2FC-X3.jpg)


My first though was that the engine removal panel was very skewed BUT on further inspection it is only very slightly!
Viewed from above here please compare A and B and you can see that at A it is much narrower.
So my thinking is to fill this out with Upol and reshape the angles
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-CKfxTHm/0/7be8e768/X3/C849CF28-5DC3-46BE-ABDA-58EB79296DE5-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-pXSmGk3/0/aefe4fa2/X3/C865CB69-3630-4FB4-B053-BC92228903CA-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-kpKnVWg/0/0f8cbbea/X3/253114CE-4EA7-492C-A2BC-A260DBB36B12-X3.jpg)


I hope I have explained this clearly and that only a small amount of effort will make a considerable difference


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-d7H5Gfn/0/a266dd92/X3/7DD6B025-E9FE-404E-AF44-8873B2BB51B1-X3.jpg)


I have a TIP here too
When using Upol P38 etc don't wait for it to fully harden before shaping it. I find that as it starts to go firm it will shape very nicely with a scalpel to remove the unwanted bulk to make sanding a minimum when fully hard.


Surely better yes?
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-f6Zx3p8/0/b3bb91dc/X3/528D79E0-5CB1-4EF6-9AD9-5D846944DB2F-X3.jpg)


I've been using this over a year now. I was recommended to me by Stavros and I'm still on the first tin


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-qkKsFg6/0/3f568b08/X3/2517A26F-A918-41C4-9E67-C3349F2B6E34-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 12, 2019, 05:19:22 PM
Another TIP


Look at the cabin earlier and see how the gel coat is very wavy along the side on a line below the windows.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-RL9WgDt/0/230a6a5f/X4/1E436624-4A1C-4F13-9592-85D8D9E3173F-X4.jpg)


This is very easy to equalise make straight and more defined.
Simply run a straight length of decorators masking tape above or below where you think the line should be.
With a small sanding block and medium grit paper sand the gel coat flat to the line.
Then transfer masking tape to the other side of the line and repeat.
Don't overdo it! just enough to achieve this


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-3LH2GbX/0/333ac388/X5/39D0A6EE-2A60-4CA8-94A5-EB0DE1A69CC8-X5.jpg)

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 12, 2019, 06:08:33 PM
I'm now studying Kim's instructions for the bridge ready to do mine
https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,54069.msg606836.html#msg606836 (https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,54069.msg606836.html#msg606836)


You must read this for many pages to pick up on the changes !
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Mark T on August 12, 2019, 06:52:33 PM
Great attention to detail and the build looks amazing  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 12, 2019, 09:20:43 PM
Thanks Mark


It's a long read is Kim's thread but it's clear that much of where I'm reading from is superseded later on.
So just for now until I get my head around it I've damed off the bottom of the rear wall and partially filled with 30 minute resin. I'll reduce these parts to a suitable finished thickness tomorrow.
It's clear that all the parts we are dealing with are a result of Kim's work saving us a huge personal effort  :-))


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-QR3pdN3/0/74bb97c1/X3/86E37A7B-1D5A-4305-8000-3AABD8441352-X3.jpg)


The bollards are now treated and the bolts cut off flush and sanded. Held in place by a single M4 socket screw each


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-FZHtT2C/0/2d5c3989/X3/C03433B6-261F-4904-9A58-24B32A7DB42A-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-4PwChWH/0/d0fcf990/X3/A2422E5F-7518-4A16-B615-3E945A352017-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 13, 2019, 10:23:36 AM
Well you really must read or at the very least look at all the pictures that give an insight into real scratch building. What we get with our kits now is a direct result of Kim's endeavour.
For now I will direct you to this point that is the culmination of all the pages since the previous link I posted


https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,54069.msg613499.html#msg613499
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 13, 2019, 06:38:15 PM
Victor has messaged me to say my nozzles and buckets will be here this week  8)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 13, 2019, 08:57:54 PM
This evening I've done a few jobs
Firstly the rear cabin walls I've reduced to 5mm thickness, fortunately I had not overfilled with resin so filing was not a long job after marking out


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-2Zb2pwZ/0/c369194e/X3/76F278BD-C6B8-49D6-9966-90F0C8C0F9F6-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-dfrMW8P/0/3ff5e40a/X3/32E18D23-919B-4C5C-94EE-B77091823CEA-X3.jpg)


I've fixed these two parts together with 2mm machine screws. At the moment I feel pretty sure that this resin panel will be short of the deck
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Rppw4DX/0/acd7c05e/X3/89AF8755-E56B-4D04-B0DA-C79C7098D32A-X3.jpg)


Checking they are level
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-SR4v2Kr/0/4af5f33e/X3/E7517766-FD0E-49E5-BF64-DA5A9491815F-X3.jpg)


Also I've cut out as much as I dare for now


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-DXFN69D/0/ad3e9322/X3/2310C17B-CEDF-4532-8D16-131E673E64EA-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-663JDH5/0/4f9be123/X3/28A8CE44-5B42-4A15-BA11-E26916BF9814-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-pwvRdwJ/0/109d8bfb/X3/D452E75B-C069-478B-ADC5-C519747D8399-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 14, 2019, 10:07:02 AM
Last night I found an issue with the bridge wall Angles where the windscreen goes effectively.
Kim has confirmed my findings and it is easy to fix.
Just cut off the port side uprights, fit in place and mark the angle of the channel in relation to the cabin with the intention of adding a new upright to the outer edge rather than back on top.
Sand off all trace off where you cut off the originals before gluing the new pieces to the side


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-R9LsTjX/0/02cdd3bd/X3/4B8BE6EB-0284-4FF2-8DAC-7D1EC71DA151-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 14, 2019, 10:10:06 AM
Winging their way to me from OceanWorks  :-))


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-SgjqS6T/0/92dc63b1/X3/65E44CA9-D5BE-4280-8EE4-B5124EBAE30A-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-zpxnD2J/0/2f81d525/X3/26652253-9DA2-4F01-B7DE-992E44C9EDF6-X3.png)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 14, 2019, 12:20:32 PM
If you weren't aware?
Kim does a photo CD full of Shannon details, all proceeds to RNLI £7.50 delivered  :-))

Gate insert NOT included  8)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-36XCpRP/0/790ac138/X3/34384FDD-5310-44E0-AFE6-2A390BF41712-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 14, 2019, 04:40:36 PM
Today I started by glueing the floor to the bulkhead but NOT to the side wall that is still fixed with screws


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-bkkBSwc/0/3a5dbef4/X3/FD5C7842-8CF8-4826-A9E7-13C49E97C911-X3.jpg)


Then I fitted a reinforcing strip, pictured here much later than I did this. Fixed with 5min epoxy it also supports the floor so essential to keep it flush with the top edge


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-rCpgpG7/0/06a2bbb6/X3/87F08FF2-63E0-476D-BD25-90D777926767-X3.jpg)


I fixed it all in place before marking and drilling for screws again as a temporary assembly


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Qg7z7vc/0/20c85401/X3/FB19A9C8-D0BF-4592-A687-B44B29DC7BD7-X3.jpg)


I wasn't happy with the hasty fix I did last night so did it again
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-JqkSXb9/0/f48bf2e6/X4/36A5DAFF-CF04-4666-AE32-BA79ABCF3497-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 14, 2019, 04:43:58 PM
Now The bulked is contoured to the deck but as I thought there is a significant gap under the side wall


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-ZcDKwxZ/0/8717a1d5/X3/6FC21018-0238-4F5C-A38F-1BCE36039AFD-X3.jpg)


I am at 140mm here same as Speedline and I don't think shaving a couple of mm off will help so I need to fill the gap


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-7qzHqnF/0/8d911492/X3/BD3EC062-BA62-40C9-9BB9-8A0009D047B7-X3.jpg)


This looks almost good enough to fit details straight on
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-mZnr8vD/0/c0bffc62/X3/E0DDD23D-8972-4803-9B3A-88AF07165B5A-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 14, 2019, 05:16:53 PM
Winging their way to me from OceanWorks  :-))


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-SgjqS6T/0/92dc63b1/X3/65E44CA9-D5BE-4280-8EE4-B5124EBAE30A-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-zpxnD2J/0/2f81d525/X3/26652253-9DA2-4F01-B7DE-992E44C9EDF6-X3.png)


I have just noticed having had a closer look that Victor has also done something else I suggested hope?




The buckets can be left hand or right hand unlike the speed line offering. This gives you and me the option of symmetry.


Previously the port drive had bucket and trim tab rods on opposing sides BUT on the starboard drive they are both on the right side making it look congested.



Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 14, 2019, 05:30:21 PM
It transpires that my kit should have included the rear telecoms mast wall as a resin casting. I did not have this part but I think it has worked out OK
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 14, 2019, 05:37:27 PM
It certainly has Andy and this build is inspiring me to get all the 'chores' [never ending] out of the way and back to serious days of building!
Thanks,
Kim
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 14, 2019, 05:41:12 PM
Good because we need you to make all the other bits  O0
Thanks Kim :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 16, 2019, 12:38:56 PM
Very slow going with many adjustments
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-gz7p4MW/0/1dda45df/X3/5302B124-AE23-4B04-B5F7-68BBC39BA20C-X3.jpg)


Side wall extended down to the deck
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-FQxfGFW/0/5edfd0ed/X3/17F7751B-303F-4430-843D-32540ADB95AB-X3.jpg)


I've also fitted a fourth aluminium stretcher across below the very rear edge of the cabin.


All the while not gluing anything that will prevent dismantling as consideration must be made as to how this will all be painted and to the extra details that will be added requiring access with a drill etc


The desired end result all needs careful planning
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-JHPRLwG/0/2957d3b3/X4/D809E92A-97F5-499E-BDD3-C45EF1724F97-X4.jpg)



The suggestion by Paul earlier of a deck hatch below the cabin rear is very likely the route I'll be taking


Meanwhile planning ahead for the arrival of the new jet drive parts I'm looking at the trim tab servos and I'm pretty sure that once installed I will be able to replace one with just two screws accessible through the rear hatches


This is a strip of GRP copper sheet that will do to mount the servos and the right hand one has the brackets I'll use  https://wheelspinmodels.co.uk/i/302952/?gclid=CjwKCAjwqNnqBRATEiwAkHm2BGvs4oZHUWoh_CzdYxXiZy-OfUUF3UfQEBXXasD_Xt2eujPfRstz6hoC_wgQAvD_BwE(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-bB3r6qp/0/ca82b06f/X4/B8B352DE-D96D-4973-AAE6-6802AE1B2F66-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 16, 2019, 12:42:29 PM
This is one of the servos I use pictured or the 339 if not available. SIX are required


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-sPBXDmZ/0/88dad8fe/X2/D2CB5C51-B89D-4076-9B0F-AAA8E79A53D5-X2.jpg)


Size comparison with full size servo


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-hGqmLQk/0/4483084c/X2/856B7D79-2C3A-4F7D-993C-999C6C4E117D-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 16, 2019, 03:33:44 PM
I've mounted one to see how practical it is and I'm satisfied that the removal screws will be easily accessible


The GRP sheet taps very easily and I've used 3mm button head screws


Approx position below deck and this can equally apply to other trim tab options
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-DMqBrtz/0/721f7773/X3/AC0F415A-06FE-4336-AE79-CC05575A2827-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-D9Tb4PB/0/dc15f916/X3/85444EC1-DE95-4739-8AF5-F0E0381E5DEF-X3.jpg)


The servo clamps are designed for full size servos but easy to modify with a chisel scalpel blade






EDIT plus 1
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-KH56DSG/0/38cb907b/X3/A74AFB5D-5FE7-49AA-83B3-3914F7328E9B-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 16, 2019, 05:10:11 PM
Having considered my earlier point that this upper control position needs to be removable for detailing I thought an example of the lengths I'm going to to enable the main bulkhead to be removable right to the end before final fix and final paint might be helpful.


These are port side photos
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Svn7BhW/0/3f7e47ea/X3/6F5614A5-EF96-49CD-960F-423E190EEB5B-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-drXKX3H/0/17e6d755/X3/BEB9494A-ECAF-4062-947F-3A3FB33DE68C-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-zPq3QMX/0/52a7b6be/X3/91741E93-541F-4781-AB9D-FF320F93FCC0-X3.jpg)


Dry fit first
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-4ws6qq7/0/2378537e/X3/196757D5-F427-4D23-899F-351A813BAF8E-X3.jpg)


Epoxy and styrene cement as appropriate but not glued to bulkhead
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Lr7XK5F/0/d4310104/X3/D55E0534-1F63-4223-9EFD-A70FF240F4BB-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-dmT75XP/0/db477962/X3/E728AAD7-057E-42CD-8D0B-EB4A3224002B-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Lr7XK5F/0/d4310104/X3/D55E0534-1F63-4223-9EFD-A70FF240F4BB-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-2nh74zV/0/614a92bb/X3/97DD8966-15BC-4DDF-8225-3D74E16A0F17-X3.jpg)


The top of the wall here will be shaped as a second operation
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 16, 2019, 05:26:23 PM
Voila


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-bgPGLXL/0/cb15977f/X4/494B25D2-2484-466D-8207-130B355095B3-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: dpbarry on August 16, 2019, 06:48:21 PM
 {-) {-) 


Well, iíve one of Kimís gates. Gathering stuff up nicely. Popcorn out watching both builds unfold.


 :-))


Good because we need you to make all the other bits  O0
Thanks Kim :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 16, 2019, 06:59:27 PM
A taster to wet the lips
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-6h3F9Hx/0/b5e6117d/X3/6BFC5EF7-E356-4EB9-B045-5C17945C1EBD-X3.png)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 16, 2019, 07:22:57 PM
I have just heard tonight that the drives are on sale now and Andy Griggs too has ordered a pair for testing  :-))
I believe the price is what I paid before all the additional upgrades so a real bargain
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: dpbarry on August 16, 2019, 07:36:10 PM
H Andy.


Which one did you actually order?


Declan


I have just heard tonight that the drives are on sale now and Andy Griggs too has ordered a pair for testing  :-))
I believe the price is what I paid before all the additional upgrades so a real bargain
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 16, 2019, 07:40:12 PM
I doubt what I ordered is on the menu
You want 28mm as pictured above
With or without motors
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 16, 2019, 08:26:57 PM
Going back a few posts to continue finishing off the top of this cabin wall
The resin casting fitted very nicely having used thick styrene for the backing the angle was coincidentally spot on
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-SFL3G5g/0/dcb10e7b/X3/03D55F08-9FBA-4BC7-BED4-39170294FF7D-X3.jpg)


I've not done this before but imagined it would work.
I shuttered off the shape with wood covered in that waxy Tamiya masking tape.
Set everything at a suitable angle with weights
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-fDWQJjJ/0/bcc1491e/X3/A7CA0AFE-5E1D-4B67-9F71-57FBF1A4B657-X3.jpg)


Mixed enough Hobby King cheap as chips 5 min epoxy and dripped in off a stick
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-bTgnhtx/0/a62c9f5b/X3/52529B07-2C29-4246-8C1D-777B8865755A-X3.jpg)


Tomorrow I'll remove the shuttering and sand to shape I hope


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Twgv5FB/0/5d9ef7fa/X3/CB2411DB-923B-4428-96AE-F2EBC57E6969-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 16, 2019, 08:30:30 PM
H Andy.


Which one did you actually order?


Declan


Bear in mind this is in dollars. I think that is seriously cheap even if unlucky to get import tax
https://www.oceanworkscale.com/product/28mm-rc-boat-water-jet-with-mjp-reverse-bucket-without-motor/ (https://www.oceanworkscale.com/product/28mm-rc-boat-water-jet-with-mjp-reverse-bucket-without-motor/)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 16, 2019, 10:38:17 PM
A bit more loving and this will be threatened with a lashing of Belcher grey  :-))


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-fQwDcpN/0/b5e818c5/X4/E231D908-AD74-43EC-9A5B-6B5A2B72973C-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 17, 2019, 10:20:10 AM
Yes, use plenty of 'Belcher Grey' and it will keep the Halford's dividend cheques come rolling into the bank account.



Seriously Andy, it's all looking very good and inspirational [I know a few others who might be thinking of starting an MbD Shannon due to your approach to 'scratch building] and there are some nice tips and techniques being used that some of us have not considered. Keep the good work going, I shall be picking up the reigns again on 13-02 - at a leisurely pace though!


You have done a very good job there with those Ocean Works water-jets with Victor, congratulations.


Kim [C.C.]
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 17, 2019, 01:04:50 PM
Kind words Kim and I hope all builders will share any ideas they come up with to produce parts  :-)) 


For delicate small areas I always use Tamiya primer first, it dries quickly and will build up and fill joints.


Here after a second dam and fill of epoxy this now meets the windscreen channel wall sympathetically


Ready to move to starboard side today after I recover from parting with a wad at Leeds model shop  {-)
Also I just bought 10 packs of epoxy from Poundland .......... yes £10  O0


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-FM4vkQx/0/177965eb/X3/185CB676-01BF-43AC-8C86-DB6C38793B43-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-BKvqjXk/0/50123862/X3/B5F5C91E-DEA2-4F71-85E8-9B0648FB38D5-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 17, 2019, 02:34:32 PM
Will need more attention but later
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-9hNKQ3h/0/7bd53468/X3/6F7BA965-F6A0-44BD-A017-B0C1B44C378A-X3.jpg)


I'm also thinking this could be permanently demountable as the joint would be concealed by the windscreen
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-wWsGjnp/0/72f4515a/X3/18808201-EAB6-4B4D-9B7A-45D5540B78D9-X3.jpg)


What worked on the Port side is good enough for starboard


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-NkzS62c/0/35e0c7bc/X3/F52D5B6A-7F7D-4D25-9997-38E24938BB61-X3.jpg)


New shutter
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-s9CTzQB/0/3ec07339/X3/C62EE3F7-FF3B-4834-8475-C249B602267E-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Wm27zQt/0/2f946fd5/X3/76F25B3D-6BFA-40DC-9071-37DEB4145B3F-X3.jpg)


Poundland 5 min resin used to be Tommy Walsh resin
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-LFMJvVP/0/1cebb7af/X3/C3699DFC-33D6-4F9A-92DB-DD405333441A-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 17, 2019, 06:31:49 PM
Multi tasking
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-95QRPtz/0/e9d9d755/X3/59191CED-86FB-463C-968D-F72966A9DEE4-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Xff7cK2/0/6b11c4ed/X3/C8B762A4-054A-44AA-B54C-94258C432CEA-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Zn9GDFW/0/d8edd512/X3/B4F5C4DC-B8E9-4F50-AE5F-C920397EC2AD-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 17, 2019, 09:29:38 PM
I don't think I can bend 6mm bar this tight but I can 5mm and sleeve most of it, by the time the whole thing is done I doubt it will be very noticeable
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-47jCLqz/0/b06cf533/X2/46A58C0E-9CF5-460B-8713-44DD51772F32-X2.jpg)

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 17, 2019, 10:20:49 PM
Occasionally on my path of learning I will try products that are new to me and the job in hand.
£7.45 for those who care  {-)


I want to carefully bring this resin casting parallel to the revised upstand.
Might take 2 or 3 applications as I'm new to this but I'll keep you informed of course.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-NwXs5Tw/0/9661d690/X3/E3F8E8CF-860D-4204-A210-FAC7DE6ADD51-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: coch y bonddu on August 17, 2019, 10:46:22 PM
Andy sorry to say this but that stuff will just not cut the mustard in this application....reason why is simple,that stuff is an air drying product designed for small imperfections and not for a filling job like what you are trying to do.....if I was You i would scrape it off and use some car body filler which is designed for what you are trying to achieve...................Trust me on this one as I do know a thing or 2 about Grp and filler  O0 O0 O0 O0 O0




Dave
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 17, 2019, 10:57:54 PM
I get what you are saying Dave thanks for your input.
My concern is that with the resin (not GRP) being relatively soft I don't want a filler that is harder to sand and risk damage? See how this is tomorrow but if it's a fail what is the best easy sand alternative?
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Mark T on August 17, 2019, 10:59:55 PM
Upol 3 all the way mate -  :-))   It stinks but itís great
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 17, 2019, 11:00:49 PM
Upol 3 all the way mate -  :-))   It stinks but itís great
On soft resin?
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 17, 2019, 11:08:23 PM
Meanwhile as the final panel goes in I'm certain of my intention that the main bulkhead will be easily removable with screws.
I've not paid huge attention to specific angles here as I doubt few people would know what is right or wrong


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-NSfWR7R/0/fe94998b/X3/8F36AD2E-5743-4711-B444-AA583BDCD6C7-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: coch y bonddu on August 17, 2019, 11:09:41 PM
Mark T spot on with your advise great stuff dries quickly and is so so easy and I use it to repair holes in resin parts anyway and I would say it is softer than resin anyway.


Trouble is with the Plastic Putty is that if you put it on thicker than the thickness of paper is that it simply will not dry hard and will possibly shrink leaving unsightly cracks,and not only this but will not fully cure and harden.


This stuff is best used when primer has been applied and you see a scratch but even then I will NOT use it as it has caused me far to many problems in the past,If I see a defect in primer I will always go for a very fine 2 pack stopper.


This is what i Now use all the time as Been recomended by Mark T


 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/U-Pol-EASY-3-Extra-Smooth-Finishing-Filler-1-1-Litre-Tin-was-Top-Stop-Gold/282743683683?hash=item41d4d63a63:g:5vIAAOSwdnZaFVSp (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/U-Pol-EASY-3-Extra-Smooth-Finishing-Filler-1-1-Litre-Tin-was-Top-Stop-Gold/282743683683?hash=item41d4d63a63:g:5vIAAOSwdnZaFVSp)



Dave
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 17, 2019, 11:15:36 PM
Thank you duly noted. Is there a smaller tin  %% {-)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 17, 2019, 11:18:39 PM
NO but bigger available  {-)


ORDERED thank you both  :-))


Where's me scraper  :((
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Mark T on August 17, 2019, 11:29:24 PM
NO but bigger available  {-)


ORDERED thank you both  :-))


Where's me scraper  :((


I know it only comes in massive tins but I only bought 2 tins in over 6 years. Donít worry about the soft resin as it sands so easily I use it on soft wood. I donít think thereís a better filler for what we do 👍
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 17, 2019, 11:37:42 PM
The forum comes up trumps  :-)) :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: coch y bonddu on August 18, 2019, 09:06:58 AM
This is the stuff I have been baning on about for years and it used to be top stop....i use this on a daily basis on cars I am not into hard work or rubbing filler ....time is important to us in body shops,I have used this on Balsa wood.....ok you have to be very careful on this wood as it is so so soft but it does the job admirably,the beauty of this product is that you can use it a fill imperfections after priming,not many car fillers can do this without showing after a reprime,I also use this on plastic card as it seems to stick to the plastic without falling off like a lot of fillers.


Yes of course I know it is expensive but Hey ho quality products always are



Andy.....I have a tin of this same size as what I have shown in the link and it is 4 yrs old and it is still usable,Just make SURE 100% you put the lid back on it straight away and it will NOT dry up.


Dave
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 18, 2019, 12:02:09 PM
Andy,
Totally agreeing with what Dave and Mark have said. I will be going down the same path to correct my original fault - sorry! Like wise my tine of UPol is just keeping perfect, just like the similar product I used before that. It's what Andy G. uses too.
Kim
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 18, 2019, 04:57:50 PM
Yes thanks all it is on the way for future.
For now the deluxe Materials putty actually did a good job and doesn't shrink or crack but the thicker it is the longer time to dry.

Meanwhile I've nearly broke the back of the rear cabin assembly. The bulkhead will be held in place with 3x3mm and 5x2mm screws so only a few minutes to dismantle. This obviously makes painting and detailing so much more accessible especially if you forget something and realise later on.
Tasks like texture coating the upper control floor a doddle
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 18, 2019, 10:11:42 PM


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-FGX7BCW/0/8ec6fa54/X2/A6BAF1B9-E65E-4AE1-829D-D0BAB681A790-X2.jpg)


The side wall will eventually be glued to the comms tower support wall and the screws removed and holes filled. For some time to come it's more desirable that I can separate this.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-XggmDxs/0/7bf922cd/X3/5C3AE869-DB73-49B5-940C-845DBA462C0D-X3.jpg)


Shannon builders have a facebook group for all things Shannon of any brand.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/220509768718588/?multi_permalinks=519229205513308&notif_id=1566145876711865&notif_t=feedback_reaction_generic (https://www.facebook.com/groups/220509768718588/?multi_permalinks=519229205513308&notif_id=1566145876711865&notif_t=feedback_reaction_generic)


I expect the Jet drive new parts this week and will use another thread to do a complete fitting guide my way. I say my way because there are always more ways to skin a cat so it is open to do what you like and advise of better options if you have ideas
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 18, 2019, 10:54:51 PM
https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,63576.msg672439/topicseen.html#msg672439
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 19, 2019, 02:12:14 PM
I had so many other things to do yesterday  :((
However I did get a bit done to a point that it all fits and can be fine tuned later.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-sKzR9PR/0/e3acc127/X3/D7D7EEDC-8A06-43E0-98DC-2BAD10EDE510-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-F7PVSNG/0/17119be6/X3/37E4C6BD-79B4-4270-AFC0-46FFFF33950F-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-w3dKdmh/0/9354107c/X3/97284413-F6BE-4DF4-920C-4A84C373D75E-X3.jpg)


Likely hinge
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-QznjfWL/0/f52d5501/X3/A0469D08-7A55-423F-BFA9-B07C6FD2665B-X3.jpg)


Something to build on with a styrene infil perhaps. T profile I'm thinking to the sliders will be captive
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-KPZD2Th/0/3cc3b801/X3/FC8C05AC-C492-4983-8C9F-05075668A093-X3.jpg)


People keep asking me what order to do things? well in most cases it's just a matter of how you feel and what you fancy.
The only override is that anything you do must not cause an impact on things you need to do later. Example, you wouldn't glue the deck on until you've finished everything inside the hull
Just now I'll have a break and contemplate the drives that I now have a tracking number for  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 19, 2019, 03:14:55 PM
So much for a break  {-)  sometimes the model just guides you


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-WMD9ZKH/0/e53d8069/X3/71432BD3-1253-48D8-8ED5-DA655570940F-X3.jpg)


Much potential  :-)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-VjqPrVV/0/97362250/X3/0B396D3B-8C17-4540-AF1B-79059E039464-X3.jpg)



Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 20, 2019, 11:04:42 AM
My job for today
and tomorrow and Thursday  {-)


Seriously doesn't take long
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-VS8K6Ss/0/21ac8f47/X3/054C3F39-B916-46A6-A898-A778800B26B6-X3.jpg)


Knupfer bolts  102 required 1.4 x 6 type 400
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-h4jxgD6/0/72753b42/X3/D7B35843-8D8E-42E7-8723-3CEDF3D08508-X3.jpg)


EDIT Done this side within the modify post period


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-LRcQrnc/0/2326467e/X3/4CB0FD8E-1A12-4C2C-9AF3-246CC52D8D43-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: dpbarry on August 20, 2019, 03:00:36 PM
Hi Andy.


Are you using some form of template to equally space out the hole positions and drilling.


Declan
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 20, 2019, 03:35:21 PM
No Declan just a tape measure rule and pencil and a steady hand. The bolts are slightly overscale but because I'm not using washers they appear OK
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: dpbarry on August 20, 2019, 03:39:34 PM
 :-)) :-))


No Declan just a tape measure rule and pencil and a steady hand. The bolts are slightly overscale but because I'm not using washers they appear OK
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 20, 2019, 03:44:35 PM
Maybe some help but at peoples own risk  :-)


The side panels find the centre. Measure 2.5mm either side of centre then 5mm intervals gives 22 bolts


The big panel measure centre and 5mm intervals either side equals 29 bolts including the centre


Drill line 5mm from edge all around


This is as 13-01
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 20, 2019, 05:14:52 PM
I've just placed another order with Knupfer and they haven't even asked for advanced payment, seem to trust previous customers. I pay by bank transfer in euros.


After marking out I spot drill all the holes with the tip of a 0.8mm drill bit and if they then look ok I drill through and then re drill 1mm before following with 1.4mm tap


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-v7f2HGx/0/c4fb2dbc/X3/F965FBD8-E2CC-4AC5-9D6A-C42851D47AA8-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: RST on August 20, 2019, 06:19:46 PM
Re that post about the deluxe filler. I said on another post I've not been convinced yet it's just decorators caulk in a small squeeze tube.  As Stavros mentioned there's better out there. Also for small holes we used a single part putty "knifing putty" in the shop, nothing else 2k usually fills pin holes or micro cracks. It's like the squadron putty but finer, flexible and made in a bigger tube. Perhaps Stavros / coch ye bondru can help as I'm needing it now but can't remember what it was called.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: coch y bonddu on August 20, 2019, 08:17:23 PM
RST is it Dolphin Glaze you are thinking of ????




Dave




Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 20, 2019, 08:26:42 PM
My filler arrived by DHL today. Threw it over my 2 metre fence so nicely dented, good job I have some filler for it  {-)


Not much filling left to do and bulkhead now also secured by the windscreen hinge bolts (I've ordered miniature countersunk ones for later) Paxolin CA'd to the resin so I could tap it from above
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-4nC94rn/0/4af6df3d/X3/F742AAA3-9230-436D-A1B1-8B01443568AB-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-9DRK5dF/0/8608e3e2/X3/7EBFD01D-541F-43BC-A7C1-C8875D96FC46-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-L232v9q/0/805826f1/X3/035D1B89-44FC-4243-90DF-F12678428D39-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-RPDq45V/0/6d4de6eb/X3/6D6EE7BA-4697-43DC-BA12-B94BB71F2D00-X3.jpg)


The screen side channels will hide the gaps
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 21, 2019, 10:59:29 PM
Tonight I've taken the deck off to start looking at the running gear.
I've fixed this GRP sheet to a piece of 6mm Paxolin with two of the 3mm screws that hold the servos in place
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-rXfgb89/0/a651ec04/X3/i-rXfgb89-X3.jpg)


The paxolin will be glued to the hull
Something like
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-LhSSd9R/0/daec7029/X3/i-LhSSd9R-X3.jpg)


So this whole unit can be removed with just the two screws via the centre hatch


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-GXBWPMW/0/1cc6bcae/X3/i-GXBWPMW-X3.jpg)


I can't set this up until the trim tabs are in place.


The 2mm SS servo rods will come up though Joysway bellows behind the servo arms then angle 90 degrees to forwards through them.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 21, 2019, 11:18:17 PM
While I'm at it here is the fourth stringer I fitted
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-QF42KWR/0/e99d1e02/X3/34AB1A9B-ECC6-4C78-AD53-09901D3CDB4E-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 22, 2019, 08:22:40 PM
Thought I'd crack on a bit
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-wSHLPMb/0/3c707419/X3/D92F1511-54F0-4B78-BCC3-90B95EE47C13-X3.jpg)


Just taking far too long  {-)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-VcsH6Zz/0/57b930e0/X3/EF175A4C-AFF3-4636-8DE7-F17D121F37E5-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 22, 2019, 10:37:45 PM
Iíve just looked back at the original delivery of the first jet drives and it was 9 days
New parts were posted Monday and now on day four. Iím touring Scotland from Sept 5th anti-clockwise for an undetermined period. So itís touch an go whether weíll be on the water before I leave
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 22, 2019, 11:42:16 PM
End of day shot. What will tomorrow bring
Happy with progress
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-PgzhSJF/0/9cfcf1fb/X3/AED5FC35-1CE6-4C79-96EC-AF4120DF3382-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: RST on August 23, 2019, 01:07:10 AM
RST is it Dolphin Glaze you are thinking of ????

Dave

...nope, I can picture the tubes, just can't remember the name.  Probably essentially the same  stuff though!!

(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-LhSSd9R/0/daec7029/X3/i-LhSSd9R-X3.jpg)

...Are you using copperclad to screw servos down?  Seems a bit of a waste of copperclad!
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 23, 2019, 09:10:07 AM
Itís what I have in stock no other reason
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 23, 2019, 05:35:22 PM
Wasn't sure which direction to go today but with all the GRP and resin work my craft room was a tip and time for another clean up.
Two hours later .........


As it's cracking the flags today I thought to get the deck fully primered.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-L6Qd2m3/0/6ade1f1d/X3/495C0A1E-2112-4ACC-91DB-8E19B47F0AF2-X3.jpg)


Then I turned my attention to the stern and an opportunity to share my ideas with Kim as so far I've been taking his work  :-))


I've started with a template that can be used either way up to produce both fittings.
Initially I was thinking of brass sheet but I didn't have any thick enough and when I spotted the small pieces of double sided copper GRP I bought months ago it was a no brainer.
About the right thickness can band saw and table sand it drill & tap it and solder to it .


As this will be painted there is also no need for nickel bolts.


I will cut off all but the corner bolts and use those as fixings to the deck


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-wMmZHHG/0/326ee5b5/X3/F275844F-3CC4-40DC-9EB9-42F20AB1AFE3-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-srLVV4c/0/8e81a305/X3/F920B5DC-D410-4256-9330-5D452C58BE95-X3.jpg)




Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 23, 2019, 09:39:21 PM
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-qMptNpF/0/878193e3/X3/995F30D9-884F-44DB-9646-463947D0F695-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: ChrisH1981 on August 23, 2019, 09:45:06 PM
 :-))  Love it andy! I dont know whether to follow this build on FB or here, but i monitor both threads as i dont want to miss anything. I just hope i can get t'internet in Tenerife in two weeks time otherwise im going to have a lotta catching up to do.....
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 23, 2019, 09:56:35 PM
Facebook plays second fiddle. I'll be on holiday myself from the 5th  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Mark T on August 24, 2019, 02:39:15 PM
Thats looks really nice and very realistic too.  I've never heard of copper clad before but it looks like it holds and very sharp edge.  I reckon that will pay dividends once the paint is on.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 24, 2019, 02:41:27 PM
Cheers Mark


This was what I bought early this year for trials https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Glass-Fiber-Double-Side-PCB-Circuit-Board-Copper-Clad-Laminate-8pcs-R8Z8-R8Z8-/173885911260?hash=item287c6870dc
Today I've been sorting the hatches and avoiding going out into the bank holiday weekend congestion
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-KsSjF5F/0/ba02da21/X3/4E8A71F2-ED34-4BFB-B024-1433C945CA98-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 24, 2019, 09:17:15 PM
Baby steps
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-JqqszTP/0/2e3c124a/X3/AAA648F2-0DB8-41B1-B8EA-815CCC68E777-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 25, 2019, 12:00:52 AM
Itís been a while but I feel the deja vu
However so far apart from the visible bit I am using epoxy. A new approach that saves all the filing afterwards if your soldering is like mine  {-)


A lot of builders fall foul here with a gap in the railings that a crew man could fall through.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-6ZW9fSt/0/085df3e1/X3/B882470C-B8B1-4F5B-8D94-6206675A4C0D-X3.jpg)





Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon (making hatch lids fit)
Post by: Taranis on August 25, 2019, 06:01:57 PM
I found and you will that the hatch lids when assembled may not sit flush with the deck. My solution to this is 1/64 by 1/4 brass strip. After dressing the hole mask off underneath before using 5 min epoxy and inserting a pre prepared frame. Immediately as the epoxy is going off sit the lid in place and put a straight edge across it so it's flush.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-j27M5rh/0/719f4add/X3/76A8B7F7-2D10-49D5-8D51-068DD890920C-X3.jpg)


before
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-dBQ5mqV/0/973390d0/X3/9E013685-C7B2-49A4-831D-3407AE0C7F38-X3.jpg)


after
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-KsSjF5F/0/ba02da21/X3/4E8A71F2-ED34-4BFB-B024-1433C945CA98-X3.jpg)


A good bit or reshaping here before all fits good
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Lq3c9Fm/0/eda62e67/X3/72FA61EA-8345-493C-B5A2-9B48CE37719C-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-cwGtV93/0/19cf8290/X3/E1498CBB-51B9-4EB6-A53D-18AB408CCE84-X3.jpg)


A tad more filler and I'll be happy
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-2HZ783p/0/86d504a1/X3/EF399EF8-1E12-42A7-8A9C-B75A9B8CA997-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 25, 2019, 07:57:36 PM
So now I'm looking for help advice suggestions .......... for hinges working or non working.  EDIT and HANDLES
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-qMpwZ7G/0/12ec7e84/X3/91C84C74-F190-4449-BACC-1D39BFD58BD0-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-8nNJHBw/0/918452d0/X3/6D36CB07-DB01-41A2-8E13-34D290748FB5-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 25, 2019, 10:11:50 PM
Initial idea
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-7CxRH2m/0/0f6068a5/X2/19AD7425-8E70-49AA-A8C3-C4045951B828-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 26, 2019, 10:02:00 AM
Well I've found a great picture that Kinmel posted last year with lots of detail  :-))
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-zzXPPzX/0/076a81f1/X3/223-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 26, 2019, 01:05:19 PM
If everything has been kept symmetrical then the rails can be turned upside down on opposite sides. Using the first stanchion from the gob eye as a reference point. Make all markings in exactly the same positions on both rails one bend at a time and positioning pliers on the same side of your marks on both rails. If you don't do that the bends will not be identical. Note there is a slight bend after that first stanchion too that many don't notice or just not bothered. The bend occurs straight after the outboard lifering clamp and about a pliers width which is handy


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-h4cXjWc/0/a25cae70/X3/0DBB238B-C6C3-47E6-853B-4762609CB237-X3.jpg)



Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 26, 2019, 01:23:53 PM
Then moving on you can set them in place to identify and twists and then the ends can be supported with masking tape. I work to a height of 85mm on these stern rails


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-PchRhvF/0/8e2e7220/X3/C65A9C4D-F28D-4D7D-8360-3D949108958E-X3.jpg)


I'm now going to epoxy the ends to the gob eye and then solder the stanchions in place


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-4g9JzHm/0/1a506c38/X3/EA79F67A-0D2A-41D7-B75F-02F48311FCF7-X3.jpg)


EDIT
but first! the 3.5mm threads


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-mtMv9kt/0/26a221f4/X3/92868764-9725-4003-843B-8D72AA3229CC-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 26, 2019, 03:23:38 PM
The often missed kick before the first turn. Also need to replicate for the lower rail.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-wCPwjLD/0/0af519af/X3/E675DF7B-5535-4610-9872-1121A3788C50-X3.jpg)


Once at this stage it's just a matter of infilling at 43mm centres from top rail.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-rqLjtwR/0/3546a39c/X3/3549A2D0-BAB6-433B-836C-52EE41E0B1A8-X3.jpg)


Now I need some oversize 1/8 brass washers to make the D shaped feet


(http://www.shannon.clwydpark.co.uk/download/file.php?id=58)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 26, 2019, 04:43:26 PM
This is my source of form C washers
3.18 for stern rails


4.3 for Stanchions


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Washers-Large-3-2-4-3-5-3-6-4-8-4mm-Brass-Din-9021/273000252315?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=572226837936&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Washers-Large-3-2-4-3-5-3-6-4-8-4mm-Brass-Din-9021/273000252315?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=572226837936&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-Ld8sXr9/0/fda2fefa/X3/i-Ld8sXr9-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 26, 2019, 08:20:04 PM
Enough today
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-7thDJJG/0/befd1c21/X3/8E396E84-2F0F-44A9-B726-46F6F81BC279-X3.jpg)


A lot of cleaning up tomorrow
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-7dVbFLC/0/0993529b/X3/2CD63474-767A-45A3-9D81-89FFC9E80641-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 27, 2019, 08:36:08 AM
Lots still to do here but a good level to start from at some time later. Jet drive parts are on day 8 in transit so I hope to be moving to the other thread soon.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-jNb4zJJ/0/ab3af5d7/X4/7A091758-38A0-41C9-9E9A-BE3B0FF02931-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon (Speedline crew figures)
Post by: Taranis on August 27, 2019, 08:39:04 AM
One of our Danish Speedline builders said I could share these.
I thought they are a great benchmark to work to  :-)    Thank you Ole


The rest are here
 https://techno.smugmug.com/Shannon/RNLI-Crew-figures/n-VTqbhc/i-Gj7gRBg (https://techno.smugmug.com/Shannon/RNLI-Crew-figures/n-VTqbhc/i-Gj7gRBg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-Gj7gRBg/0/ea8f06a4/X3/i-Gj7gRBg-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-sHdtgFk/0/bfc889c6/X3/i-sHdtgFk-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 27, 2019, 06:34:37 PM
View from other side
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-8xdG9rT/0/c5639fa8/X3/BBD42BE2-FDC2-4E7B-A082-748FB61BEF80-X3.jpg)


Switched attention to the bow


Having first threaded all four legs and drilled two pilot holes for the searchlight mounts I've set up for soldering with in this case Lead free. Later the searchlight mounting parts will be soldered next to these with low melt solder


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-k5gXXDq/0/09b1736f/X3/008642AE-A829-4BA6-8450-95311B0FBF83-X3.jpg)


I've used plain brass washers centre punched as Stanchion feet. Soldered in situ for correct angle to deck


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-5dCqf2d/0/4ee7f169/X3/506CAD20-A7A3-4BAA-9432-413557DA2E6C-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-KBNrjfd/0/afce08c0/X3/94A0FB60-60E8-42B6-9CDA-2FE758CB7AC2-X3.jpg)


Broom handle
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-qgR4Kzq/0/7261e494/X3/D9C878AA-7A4C-4E54-8E73-9F6EA7711DAC-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 28, 2019, 01:02:18 PM
Almost there. If you are fortunate to have Speedline parts or building one. Here is my modified searchlight. I've used SS servo rod for the handles and made a complete new cradle from brass as the resin one is too weak and too tall. SS dome head socket screws for the pivots
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-q8pQXvq/0/6f7dd841/X3/3D396C3D-BA6C-4C61-A4EC-3A0C433063EB-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-WJd6ntm/0/217d2a30/X3/5C40BFBF-9447-4B70-8737-A2CEB965BF3D-X3.jpg)


2.4mm hole sleeved with tube
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-wPM2V9X/0/3fd9ce69/X3/6B7B111C-4B26-4248-A8A8-FA9DB81E506B-X3.jpg)


Happy with symmetry
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-nZF5qhX/0/ab9b59dc/X3/5E1936FE-AF35-49C4-BA7E-3A1A6785357E-X3.jpg)


You will find that the base for the Capstan is not level and needs building up on the rear half to make it vertical like the bollard. This was also the case on my other Shannon but I filed the front lower instead as the deck is plenty thick enough
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 28, 2019, 04:44:57 PM
The Captsan mount levelled
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-mFW7JTq/0/3a011ab4/X3/5DEADA71-DDAC-4246-907B-03A15D5DDB75-X3.jpg)


A start on the bow roller
This is the first tier and as good as part of the deck. I've used thin styrene stuck down with 5min Poundland and surplus cleaned off with isopropanol
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-TN3k8Hq/0/b784856f/X3/AC6090E4-4C99-43C3-AB41-29E5605B7051-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/Speedline-photos/i-67ZmpWJ/1/5586fc64/X2/from%20Alan%20on%2011707%20086-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 28, 2019, 05:44:39 PM
I see Kim is under pressure by messages for dimensions.


I will start adding mine. These are not for argument (I doubt there are two models out there the same) and taken at your own risk. Generally if they look about right its near enough. Please don't tell me they are wrong because once I've committed to holes and bending brass you will be too late  {-)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-9CJsw22/0/20dddf00/X3/B7EBAA2D-B327-4F9B-A9E2-D5C04B2770BF-X3.jpg)

Of note is all my stanchion holes are centred on a line 10mm from the deck edge without fender fitted.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-2hnVsWZ/0/70bab93e/X3/30ED3EA6-BF90-4FC8-BE9D-BDBAD6B2E88D-X3.jpg)


I had already enquired with Chris about interior and the value is really excellent. I have a full set of Speedline seats already but will be using Chris for the rest at a later date  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 28, 2019, 09:55:44 PM
Not 'under pressure' Andy, been doing this for nineteen years now.......just another 'pinch point' as people buy and get inspired in 'spasms'. Always pleased to help, it's what the hobby is properly about - sharing - giving and getting, which is why I always go into detail. It's why I ran a five year course at my home and workshop.
Kim
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 28, 2019, 09:59:02 PM
Fine Kim as I say my measurements may take a load off at users own risk  :-)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 29, 2019, 01:30:29 PM
This morning I've turned attention back to the hull by first bracing the mid stretcher before removing the cross cabin section
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Nv2zFkj/0/7dcc2c95/X3/7162B43B-8B6A-4320-8559-BAD6F7E2BC5A-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-fRjxvkx/0/116db169/X3/07685707-C09A-405C-A065-CF8B6A66F18D-X3.jpg)


This is a very thick section of the hull that I have epoxied to
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-WZgvZPb/0/c4761ad1/X3/1E8D336C-BE98-47B9-9E93-85790D65F863-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 29, 2019, 04:19:50 PM
The 1/8 washers arrived so I made the six stanchion feet
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-jtxQbXw/0/07ceb514/X3/9284FA6E-2B93-4953-BE8A-506CE17DCDF0-X3.jpg)


Cleaned up and ready for Knupfer dummy bolts
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-RCNBwKm/0/60ee3758/X3/A9DE605B-FCCC-4282-B5CC-FB39914FD0D1-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-JwXHFjV/0/1cbe5ed6/X3/9EC38F6D-5B38-42A7-8FCC-4F9BBAB1E0E8-X3.jpg)


Capstan now vertical
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-bQQf99m/0/bfb4ba7c/X3/CCD7B888-08C1-425D-89F1-62750AE635C3-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-sVQT4M2/0/b51ff49c/X3/1B3CA51D-0EA3-4268-BCD8-9D1D6CB359C0-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 29, 2019, 08:46:11 PM
It may be noticeable I hope? how enjoyable this one of many MBD kits is to build.
The freedom to put your own way of doing things into play is for me most satisfying.
Sharing ideas and cherry picking the options you favour is bliss.
So many things to make from scratch is great for the grey cells  :-)


A question ! What is the best process to attach this deck to this hull, meaning adhesive and preparation?
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: ChrisH1981 on August 29, 2019, 09:41:07 PM
Andy, I hope you dont think this is a dumb question, Do you solder the washers in place on the deck or do you mark the stanchions, then solder off the model? Im just thinking if you solder in place, how do you protect the deck from the heat?
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 29, 2019, 09:43:03 PM
No not dumb at all. In place Chris. GRP will withstand a very high temperature, it just scorches the primer which is why I don't do top coats before all stanchions are made.
Keep the questions coming


EDIT
Another reason for not silver soldering and plenty strong enough. We can all agree to disagree  :-))  pick and choose


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-JgX8G8V/0/5584d361/X4/17E674AF-93A1-418E-9F78-222CB2CF48DF-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: ChrisH1981 on August 29, 2019, 09:55:46 PM
Its been said before, and ill say it again, a work of art, particularly this photograph showing the railings inverted :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: ChrisH1981 on August 29, 2019, 09:57:49 PM
and you know what, that use of tube around the gob eye looks very purposeful and not out of place in any way  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 29, 2019, 09:59:35 PM
Well thank you Chris. It's really not that difficult if done methodically. I hope the pictures convey more method along the way than words can
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 29, 2019, 10:00:52 PM
and you know what, that use of tube around the gob eye looks very purposeful and not out of place in any way  :-))


 %%  Thanks I agree, there is so much going on the eye isn't drawn to it  :-))  Still more detail to add there when I figure out how
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: captain bligh on August 29, 2019, 10:11:43 PM
Andy can I ask is that a bender screwed to the bench for bending railings?
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 29, 2019, 10:14:40 PM
Andy can I ask is that a bender screwed to the bench for bending railings?
That was the intention but I found it less easy than my hands and pliers and I should have binned it by now.
Hand and eye coordination are much better with 3D structures  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: captain bligh on August 29, 2019, 10:21:03 PM
Haha I remember bending the railings around the bow of my Maggie M I used a new toilet roll soft so wouldn't kink but solid enough to  bend round work well for the radius I needed.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 29, 2019, 10:24:07 PM
Thatís one in the bank for when I do my Maggie  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: RST on August 29, 2019, 11:13:54 PM
Nowt wrong with bending jigs if you know how to use one. Have seen guys make inside out knots upside down in seconds with them but you have to learn the skill of using it. I could never get it right either, just stick to pliers and bits of anything else to help. Does the same job for me. LoL. Nice result.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 30, 2019, 02:04:16 PM
 :-))


Now looking at the strakes and Kim's idea I'm trying to expand on that.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-rX4GHJV/0/180e6dff/X3/EE314E11-56B6-4D36-B087-45573982A382-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-nd3X92q/0/3a7c204d/X3/1E91C36F-9BDC-4F01-9882-80BD6D9E9471-X3.jpg)


Cut diagonal with 12" hacksaw


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-sMDc2MM/0/7ad2d377/X3/82D3142D-E489-44DE-8ED7-9CEE842347B6-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-jVRLKrx/0/d3201415/X3/28A66495-B750-4125-AA68-FDF9DC3E558C-X3.jpg)



Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 30, 2019, 04:54:35 PM
I was struggling for fixings then had the idea to modify M2 dome head socket screws
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-8wBr8BN/0/797f5ded/X3/3EA908C7-A5E8-44E4-92DF-E00141CD1695-X3.jpg)


Once happy with the fit I masked up and applied 5 min resin and tightened the nuts


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-6ktwDZH/0/b7a808ad/X3/70871D03-C901-4956-A306-8D516359FAA1-X3.jpg)


Cleaned up with Isopropanol for a nice smooth fillet
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-6hJqKwJ/0/1c4e4e29/X3/4BD6FE7C-2D6A-42C0-BF66-8E72EAB7A972-X3.jpg)


Ready for 2mm styrene infill

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 30, 2019, 06:43:32 PM
EDIT. The bottom of the strake is 12mm up from the edge
 
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Vp8TSRH/0/c1d251a8/X3/E31BA731-423E-4DB4-B9D6-C391E94202BB-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-rv7HwfM/0/20aa50ea/X3/CEC22ED0-6259-4CC5-A9DE-697B74444FD3-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-3Ht9sGf/0/1ef5848d/X3/BA1989FE-DADC-4338-A424-BABAC501AECD-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 30, 2019, 10:11:53 PM
Iím a little deflated as my mate Charlie on Facebook made his from recycled car registration plate for nothing  :-))  think outside the box  8)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 31, 2019, 11:14:03 PM
Iíve just had cause to search online for Halfords grey textured spray paint.
This no longer comes up, only in green. I over paint it anyway but I found this a surprise
I will be raiding stores for shelf stock
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 01, 2019, 04:31:25 PM
Firstly I am happy with the strakes. Now finished in Tamiya FINE metal primer.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-K8TZkkZ/0/341b24b1/X3/D1DD8FE8-9730-4DA8-ADA6-42A247BB3862-X3.jpg)


Next I started on the keel following Kim's lead and filled in with 30 min resin and 175gm 25mm glass cloth using 3 lengths on the deeper section
I'm also following good advice and have started removing the gel coat from the hull to deck flange


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-5xD6wXb/0/a3f2dc08/X4/762C0BF5-9BCD-4C78-9761-998301B7F8BB-X4.jpg)


I've used my orbital sander to take the bulk off to the line.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-DghrrW8/0/6668ff26/X3/B92EFFF1-6C50-4328-B969-9282567E9226-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-F3567fh/0/81f33e64/X3/17B45187-52AA-4DD5-A9AF-FC1A0096A010-X3.jpg)


Going back to this picture. The Graupner brass rectangular box section that I used for the strakes is the perfect dimensions fo the keel. So I plan to remove more GRP to accommodate this which will then allow the keel extension to be a true continuation and much more solid than a bolt on afterthought.
The true keel tapers narrower as it meets the start of the bow curve where the hole is for the recovery ropes
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-K8TZkkZ/0/341b24b1/X3/D1DD8FE8-9730-4DA8-ADA6-42A247BB3862-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 01, 2019, 06:32:23 PM
I want to share a product with you. I've been using Z poxy previously but as I had an order in with hobby king I decided to try these two made in USA resins.
Absolutely first class product.
This chart shows which product is good for what usage.


Still pricey though

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-w2WcXSR/0/cb383dde/X3/DFF2F4DF-48F9-43DD-AC79-57D71280CCA4-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-SnPDnwx/0/0ef61dee/X3/979A93A1-DC36-45E4-9B98-43361308A5BA-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-bhx7rRC/0/37ce361a/X3/CDB971AE-FC92-4BA4-B4A2-2E9D4B3FF3D9-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 02, 2019, 08:24:30 PM
Jet drives update
https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,63576.msg673560/topicseen.html#msg673560 (https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,63576.msg673560/topicseen.html#msg673560)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-QM488fn/0/8f6cddfb/X3/i-QM488fn-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 03, 2019, 10:51:03 PM
Just getting interesting and I have to go on holiday  :((


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-V3mrXMH/0/2fdbd86d/X3/2D1F4E2B-25B9-40C5-87C6-5F1496562BFD-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-cp9LXzH/0/362aa40b/X4/51902D3B-6903-4B22-A68C-0B52B4C0F8CD-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 06, 2019, 07:50:09 PM
Iíve just had cause to search online for Halfords grey textured spray paint.
This no longer comes up, only in green. I over paint it anyway but I found this a surprise
I will be raiding stores for shelf stock


I think I might just survive  {-)  @ £4 a tin clearance  :-)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-VVxWXBX/0/2a7399ce/X3/DA68113B-16F3-4449-9475-B707D094AC98-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 10, 2019, 09:46:50 PM
Better pictures coming later this month  :-))
https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2019/09/iphone-11-pro-and-iphone-11-pro-max-the-most-powerful-and-advanced-smartphones/?imgid=5ffd2441c5bca35fc8347ec17c4e1755 (https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2019/09/iphone-11-pro-and-iphone-11-pro-max-the-most-powerful-and-advanced-smartphones/?imgid=5ffd2441c5bca35fc8347ec17c4e1755)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 16, 2019, 06:59:45 PM
I've never felt so much desire to be at home. Being retired now I've little need to be on holiday but I have to keep SWMBO happy.
Currently at Wick and intending to head towards Skye on Wednesday. Likely slowly return via Glasgow Apple stores


I've been thinking of the deck attachment and my mind is veering away from epoxy in favour of Everbuild stixall type adhesive, most of the deck will be held by the railings and stanchions with 3.5mm nuts.
The joint is ultimately hidden by the fenders so if a suitable adhesive for those is found that is non destructive to remove I can as a last resort remove the deck with a good blade.
Fender adhesive recommendations invited.


OceanWorks are posting me the rest of my Jet drive parts to arrive as I arrive home
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: dpbarry on September 17, 2019, 03:06:36 PM
Hi Andy.


I received my drives a week or so ago. Is there a difference in what I have and what you are receiving? Just be interested to know.


Regards


Declan
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 17, 2019, 03:15:12 PM
Mine are the first issue
The trim tabs have been revised after my intervention and are being posted to me in time for end of my holiday. This is covered in the thread for the jet drives in R&D section
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: dpbarry on September 17, 2019, 03:18:46 PM
 :-)) :-))


Mine are the first issue
The trim tabs have been revised after my intervention and are being posted to me in time for end of my holiday. This is covered in the thread for the jet drives in R&D section
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 17, 2019, 03:42:54 PM
Also the later motor mount has four fixing points and is connected to the base intake housing
This does not concern me that I have the first issue as I already saw the weaknesses and have thought out my own way to achieve a solid installation
This will of course be shared in the R&D thread  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 19, 2019, 04:22:48 PM
As per previous page regarding sticking the deck on.
This is the product I will use
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-FwpL7FH/0/2be7a305/X2/8534FEB8-6C35-4C0A-8FF2-34C0821251C7-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-wjrv5gS/0/76526a8f/X2/B815219C-C57A-4977-B811-474EC72EAB2F-X2.jpg)


Tomorrow we will leave Grantown on Spey for Edinburgh Caravan site and hope I will establish where HMS Prince of Wales is now anchored. I believe she went through the sea gate yesterday out of Rosyth dock.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 19, 2019, 10:36:13 PM
 :-))
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/royal-navy-aircraft-carrier-hms-20101283 (https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/royal-navy-aircraft-carrier-hms-20101283)


I believe she had NINE tugs
(https://i2-prod.dailystar.co.uk/incoming/article20101118.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_HMS-Prince-of-Wales-leaves-Rosyth.jpg)


(https://i2-prod.dailystar.co.uk/incoming/article20101120.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_HMS-Prince-of-Wales-leaves-Rosyth.jpg)




Photos from me tomorrow I hope
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 25, 2019, 09:07:53 PM
Just getting interesting and I have to go on holiday  :((


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-V3mrXMH/0/2fdbd86d/X3/2D1F4E2B-25B9-40C5-87C6-5F1496562BFD-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-cp9LXzH/0/362aa40b/X4/51902D3B-6903-4B22-A68C-0B52B4C0F8CD-X4.jpg)
3rd day back off holiday and things have moved on a pace in the jet drive thread.
Almost there and new trim tabs to arrive Friday. Could be on the lake this weekend.
Just fitted a base for batteries, I'm planning on 4  5200mah 4s LiPo
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-jxcDJSx/0/075b60f8/X4/A174E797-4DDF-4C70-88F8-B8D3F711A048-X4.jpg)

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 26, 2019, 11:26:49 AM

This is more build related so posting in this thread.I've now completed the battery tray all from 6mm Paxolin. The batteries pictured previously are discontinued but these are exactly the same spec and still from Turnigy so I've ordered 2 to make up the four

https://hobbyking.com/en_us/turnigy-high-capacity-5200mah-4s-12c-multi-rotor-lipo-pack-w-xt60.html (https://hobbyking.com/en_us/turnigy-high-capacity-5200mah-4s-12c-multi-rotor-lipo-pack-w-xt60.html)

Ordered a pair of these also
https://hobbyking.com/en_us/receiver-system-switch.html (https://hobbyking.com/en_us/receiver-system-switch.html)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-HVmkVMz/0/782c6ebb/X4/F48F5D37-35A2-4868-A5FA-73D1038E1837-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-w2GNXjv/0/6e293a37/X4/8459DD32-181A-47DB-97ED-67E0E3F90ED5-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 26, 2019, 12:59:03 PM
Great idea and just ordered  :-))
https://hobbyking.com/en_us/balance-lead-tidy-saver-4s-4pcs.html
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: dpbarry on September 26, 2019, 04:12:03 PM
Hi Andy

Are you running the batteries in parallel. Two each ESC?

Declan
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 26, 2019, 05:21:15 PM
Yes
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: dpbarry on September 27, 2019, 04:38:15 PM
 :-)) :-)) 

Yes
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: furball on September 27, 2019, 05:43:00 PM
What are you cutting/machining the paxolin with? Iíve got a big sheet of it, but itís quite possibly the hardest stuff Iíve come across!


Lance
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 27, 2019, 06:25:19 PM
What are you cutting/machining the paxolin with? Iíve got a big sheet of it, but itís quite possibly the hardest stuff Iíve come across!


Lance


Makita 18volt jigsaw slow speed. Then finish edges on bench sander with extractor
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 27, 2019, 06:26:07 PM
Jet drive parts not arrived yet so started on bow roller
Also trimmed the fender at bow and stern

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-PKm6j84/0/e7aa8206/X3/FA8DEE22-4260-4AD8-B9E1-070542C60044-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 27, 2019, 07:09:33 PM
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-6rvgsBx/0/658bd4c6/X5/6AF95B4D-17CE-4B58-BF34-AAE416DCA39F-X5.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on September 27, 2019, 11:34:56 PM
That's all looking good Andy, coming on a real treat, with some good ideas and tips to help everyone.
Kim
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 27, 2019, 11:43:17 PM
Thanks Kim
Iíve started on the cable guide too
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-zwsKJcK/0/2a1b4647/X3/DCDA8922-727D-4A31-988B-13F17119ACB9-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 28, 2019, 11:18:31 AM
This is my method for bow channel


4 layers of masking tape to create an edge
Fusion adhesive built up in layers (extremely hard to shape once hard) so don't overdo it.


The brass channel is deeper than I intended but I'll sand it back with ropes in place. It's is temporarily fixed with 1.4mm screws tapped into the GRP
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-mZzHZcN/0/4ed33b4a/X3/B50BE9CB-BA0A-4AE5-8EBE-032EDFE0583F-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-5L7kSxT/0/a9d2425a/X4/C19EA24E-CF56-4A49-B046-7B36067539A3-X4.jpg)

An unusual shot while in progress. Still waiting for trim tabs but the radio is all set up ready  :-))


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-GGB7LXW/0/ae5e8ecb/X4/5C33F443-1A35-4E33-8BC1-514798B3965A-X4.jpg)

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 28, 2019, 12:42:55 PM
Very effective method and won't chip like the resin of the other model when hitting debris in the water.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-NhJ2QM2/0/f765a0d7/X3/5F6788CC-F217-4049-9B49-4E0B81D28961-X3.jpg)


Half way there
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-8qqVsKq/0/408ae3fc/X4/3DD03639-A336-4BE0-822D-EB64364B8988-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 28, 2019, 03:48:05 PM
Good few hrs effort
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-gTbbFz9/0/173e6a5b/X3/A8707BC4-039A-48D1-B9EA-0D216DB46F72-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-R8XdWG4/0/08f6a5cb/X3/C6116726-04D7-402E-80D3-7ECCFB7B50E3-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 28, 2019, 07:40:30 PM
Info on fusion
https://deluxematerials.co.uk/products/fusion (https://deluxematerials.co.uk/products/fusion)


Cheapest online seller Deans Marine  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Mark T on September 28, 2019, 07:57:41 PM
Very neat, clean and smooth  :-))   Great idea and looks fantastic!
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 28, 2019, 09:03:10 PM
Thanks Mark. Further fettling has made it neater  ok2


ALERT ! Ebay discount valid until midnight on ALL items in basket totalling over £50


I just bought a few bits but my fourth sound unit
Best instock price without incurring import duty


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ESS-DUAL-Plus-Real-Engine-Sound-Simulator-for-Axial-SCX10-SCX10-II-Traxxas-DE-EU/254143671479?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ESS-DUAL-Plus-Real-Engine-Sound-Simulator-for-Axial-SCX10-SCX10-II-Traxxas-DE-EU/254143671479?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649)


Ebay voucher code at check out is PLEASED. will get 10% off


I bought those Starrett pin vices too Mark  :-))  £45
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 29, 2019, 04:15:29 PM
I've found a bit of an issue with the hull towards the bow. The chine below the deck line should follow the bottom edge of the fender. The fender becomes less in depth for the last 300mm towards the bow but the chine remains constant. I feel this will cause me problems in the end when fitting the yellow and red lines so I'd rather reshape it now before any paintwork.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-SLmgM7W/0/c448790c/X3/43C93A17-1647-4166-B8E2-A373BC6513DA-X3.jpg)


There is enough material to do this but I will add to the inside skin
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-phS9wM9/0/eaa0b906/X5/273A4D14-E880-46A7-8BA7-3240E323EF1E-X5.jpg)

More progress on bow channel and Stem head
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-4D3tXWQ/0/d0022034/X4/562D8F6B-6974-42D7-B1F3-F17A8E0E8FED-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-zHJWxCX/0/09ee8027/X3/C642BBC7-A5A7-405A-B156-B8625575C9FD-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Mark T on September 29, 2019, 05:27:04 PM
I don't know anything about lifeboats - so what does the cable on the bow do on the full size version?
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 29, 2019, 05:34:40 PM
Itís only the Shannon beach launch boats that have these. They are for the launch and recovery unit to haul it off the sand
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Mark T on September 29, 2019, 05:37:32 PM
Thanks Andy that makes sense.  On the models I've always thought that it looks good but had no idea what it was for  :embarrassed:
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 29, 2019, 06:01:34 PM
Thanks Andy that makes sense.  On the models I've always thought that it looks good but had no idea what it was for  :embarrassed:
https://rnli.org/what-we-do/lifeboats-and-stations/our-lifeboat-fleet/shannon-class-lifeboat  :-)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: kinmel on September 29, 2019, 06:29:49 PM
I don't know anything about lifeboats - so what does the cable on the bow do on the full size version?
That cable is released from the deck and passed now to the recovery team. It is then attached to the winch and hauled aboard the cradle.    Watch this video from the 3minute mark and you will see how it works....  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qhxtdfako90
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 30, 2019, 10:47:16 PM
First coat of smooth Hammerite . The equipment tray is 5mm clear acrylic (cut sized to order EBAY) and will look nice when the protective film is removed revealing the ESC's below.
RX aerials also mounted
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-vNJGmLB/0/260488eb/X4/B4EF2DEE-4067-43E9-92B1-60F46296EB3E-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 01, 2019, 03:45:36 PM
These balance lead keepers just arrived, what a simple great idea. They are specific to the number of cells, here 4s
While I'm at it you may notice I use a 2mm paxolin shim between the batteries. If I made them tight without the shim it could be a struggle to fit and remove them, just slip it in and out as required.

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-sjkbLtz/0/f0d5065b/X4/825E0381-1EE9-4858-A7BD-08D94BE6C949-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 01, 2019, 09:30:10 PM
Myself and Kinmel have decided to hibernate the Speedline Shannon builders forum due to the discontinuation of that brand and the model. The Facebook builders group has many photos from our Danish members (some of the last customers) with such outstanding attention to detail and the group covers both brands
Many thanks to Alan for hosting the forum for so long
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 01, 2019, 11:56:13 PM
Big photo
Nearly ready to run
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-TntGq3G/0/7dbc094f/X5/D5E5E01C-6364-4EAB-82E5-79E0DA6BCD7D-X5.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 04, 2019, 06:06:02 PM
Extra batteries arrived along with ESS Dual+ sound unit.
A problem I have now is that the RCplus program for downloading sound files is WINDOZE only and I'm all Mac since my SAMFLUNG went to the graveyard

Should get up to 2 hrs running from these. Despite the re wrapping they are all Turnigy and same spec


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-FgdZPpk/0/250d04cc/X4/FDFE051B-D8F0-4739-98A9-39897B17E1A1-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 05, 2019, 01:41:09 PM
I've decided not to dismiss a self priming bilge pump. You just never know!
This is fed and switched through the receiver as I have abundant channels.
The RX switch is 2amp rated, the pumps is only .35 amps ish and is from experience quite efficient at only 5volts.


Both my receivers have independent 5amp supplies from their respective ESC's so no shortage of amps to run 3 servos each and any extras

Pictured awaiting a pipe reducer
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-bcrjQPp/0/82ab3a71/X4/83D2BBC5-C583-4324-874F-8B81EE7AD871-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Mark T on October 05, 2019, 04:42:54 PM
I think thatís a smart idea Andy - I think you can get sensors that can also automatically trigger it switching itself on that sit in the bottom of the hull
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 05, 2019, 07:41:45 PM
Any sensor would need more water depth than the pump itself needs to prime. It will run happily dry until a vacuum is created across the intake pipe.
On the Speedline I just flick it on and if no water comes out I'm happy  :-)


The switch https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RC-Receiver-Controlled-Electronic-On-Off-Switch-R-C-Remote-Alt-to-Turnigy-UK/202660286894?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: derekwarner on October 05, 2019, 11:30:23 PM
Andy...the two new vertical red posts  [installed in the last few days]....are they 2.4Ghz aerials?.......


I have not studied or used this new technology  :o

Derek
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 06, 2019, 08:22:59 AM

Good question, nothing technical in reply  :-)

They are pieces of wood covered in heat shrink to hold the aerial blades yes. Otherwise they would just flop about in a mess.
The wood has brass rod up the centre so it locates in a hole in the acrylic tray. These can be pulled out and laid flat if access is needed to the stern with fat fingers
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: ChrisH1981 on October 06, 2019, 06:37:09 PM
Hi Andy, nice install or the RC equipment!
Thats a neat little bilge pump, can I ask what you are using as I intend to fit a similar item in my IRISHMAN tug
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 06, 2019, 06:49:30 PM
Thanks.
Prices have been getting silly but I just looked and found these
 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DC-5V-12V-6V-9V-Large-Flow-Micro-Mute-370-Diaphragm-Pump-Self-Priming-Water-Pump/254232223730?hash=item3b316bdff2:g:vNkAAOSw9hlc0O4c
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: ChrisH1981 on October 06, 2019, 06:52:06 PM
 :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 06, 2019, 06:53:35 PM
:-))


or https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/253475472565
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: mk1 on October 09, 2019, 06:14:10 AM
Hi Andy were did you get the piano hinge for the windscreen. I have lost the details of were I got my other ones from.
Thanks John
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 09, 2019, 10:13:55 AM
Morning John you were up early  :-)


I bought them from Leeds model Shop but they don't seem to list them online. They seem to be very hard to find but I just did elsewhere, look the same spec
http://modelshop.co.uk/Shop/Findings/Hinges/Item/Piano-hinge-304mm-long-Pk2/ITM4646 (http://modelshop.co.uk/Shop/Findings/Hinges/Item/Piano-hinge-304mm-long-Pk2/ITM4646)


Actually Leeds model shop did an even smaller size that could be good for the corner side screen hinges. Worth ringing them. Closed to public Wednesday but open for online and phone enquiries


edit
here too https://www.shop4musicboxes.co.uk/music-box-piano-hinge-287-p.asp
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 09, 2019, 08:15:47 PM
I lost momentum and motivation for a while but I'm back scratching  :-)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Fxzh9wG/0/047d5a76/X2/D199F669-C133-4789-9FEB-5B74A861E2C2-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-TjbPHXR/0/8a888941/X3/66941585-85E5-46C6-AB71-FAD4CCE96609-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-fmmZh5h/0/704c5bce/X3/A8B2E4F2-0E60-44DE-AD9C-A7759D4FF0CC-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: mk1 on October 09, 2019, 11:19:35 PM
Hi Andy thanks for the details for were to get the hinges tried Leeds Model Shop no on there so will try tomorrow will let you know how I get on. As for up early I am up 4.30 every morning life to short to lay in bed.
Thanks John
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 11, 2019, 08:42:04 PM
Pump is now connected up and outlet fitted to coincide with an actual one on the yellow line


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-kJdp3mX/0/3a14d957/X3/B844FABD-7DF3-49F6-A5EF-2A5A23EC25E3-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-7pcnk5d/0/041b3827/X3/9C6608EB-F909-4645-9B5B-6AABA305F4CC-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 11, 2019, 08:47:41 PM
I'm back on the hull details now.
Here the recovery bracket for the Transom. I'm using 2mm styrene for these parts which may be a tad oversize but I want them to stand out. This part is removable to aid painting.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-DHmGCDm/0/54e32c2e/X3/175BEBA3-553C-4530-BC62-FC627335D99D-X3.jpg)


The keel extension bracket. Recovery bracket screws are temporary until I received a 3mm head slim nut spinner

The Keel bracket is held by 2 of the screws only to the hull, the rest are cut flush
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-S32NKcF/0/68199c7d/X3/6837B106-8262-40A7-B941-0D279D976621-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-f2bB5r2/0/aa7e0961/X3/7D865EEE-4627-48B7-9A7B-8EAAEF6D4FB0-X3.jpg)


I must thank MarkT for recommending these pin vices. They are proving invaluable for this


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-LdQDFqG/0/8b662e92/X3/6BC20175-90A9-402A-9576-3A1558E8AE2A-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-7Q3ccbG/0/ae5b7b0d/X3/54307D32-75CE-4E06-9197-B8C8B87DEDEF-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Mark T on October 11, 2019, 08:59:13 PM
Lovely precise and accurate job - you must be so pleased the way this is turning out because I would be  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 11, 2019, 09:04:55 PM
Thanks Mark it really is so much more pleasure making the parts than paying for ones that you may or may not be happy with. You decide for yourself what will do or go in the bin and have another go.
I tend to be much more forgiving of inaccuracy as long as it looks well  {-)
Terrific base kit


Jet drive parts have been re sent with a different courier so I hope to be wet testing soon

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 12, 2019, 10:20:30 PM




(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-jdmdmD6/0/bc7df147/X3/D50BFDB2-8390-4C51-91EE-0EEE07C9A8E7-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-JV8TdT7/0/a5e2080e/X3/5338B89C-5B23-4B80-87D7-16C3982C6714-X3.jpg)


The keel will be in two sections with an invisible joint but all removable
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-wpcrcVt/0/97904aa4/X3/35753925-B9D8-45AF-9F57-5C93C44012D0-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 13, 2019, 04:15:58 PM
Awesome tools   :-))


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-QhsbMXL/0/613530c9/X3/593147D4-1C06-4A4D-9400-0FD202711BC4-X3.jpg)



(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-9wsTDqK/0/4543fabe/X3/57A9BF89-3321-4226-809D-9F7DF9285318-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Fq3W3LR/0/7fd8074d/X3/76B1A871-9154-4667-A270-5201B858DAAD-X3.jpg)


These were made from 4 layers of 2mm Styrene and a bench sander


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-jvDd3TB/0/f11f0518/X2/7CA5414E-4656-481C-AB07-85FFBEAA1E34-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: coch y bonddu on October 13, 2019, 05:44:48 PM
Top tip Andy when you are using primer on Brass or any metal parts such as those bolts use some Halfords etch primer as it will solve what you have got on the brass a hard edge,and will stop the tendancy to peel




Dave
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 13, 2019, 05:50:52 PM
Thanks
Non of the bolts are to be painted, will be left stainless steel as the actual Shannon
Assembly will be after final painting  :-))  any paint on bolts would come off when tools are used as I have found from experience so itís useful that these are not called for to have paint


The brass has been sanded after alterations the primer hasnít chipped or peeled
I use Tamiya FINE primer for metal
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 14, 2019, 05:22:58 PM
Bolts all ready for assembly after paintwork


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-XC68hQx/0/229c4d88/X3/D34AF6C7-FA41-4323-8EC6-6859C095E9F3-X3.jpg)


Stood on end to add resin making the transom thicker
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-qZXLhdP/0/8e7b2396/X5/1EF29CDA-9C0A-459F-961A-D1213620D815-X5.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-32hMxr2/0/6870ba84/X3/i-32hMxr2-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 14, 2019, 08:14:39 PM
I'm not ready for this yet as I have detail still to add to the bow.


Stand has proven to be suitably level  :-))


Top edge of laser line is the bottom edge of the white line.


Once fully primed I'm going to start from the bottom up


I'll mask off everything above and spray the anthracite. Then I'll mask off the black/anthracite and spray the white line. Then finally mask off for the Balliol Blue.
Then decals before lacquer.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-n8vVgzN/0/339a556d/X2/36115254-BAE1-4FCF-B579-8EE9820B3473-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-rXn7Sqd/0/94ae3e9c/X3/FF1FDAF0-E790-4AE9-8C8E-744E8863A644-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 15, 2019, 06:39:22 PM

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-qvCwVxj/0/df48af68/X2/7CA8CB7A-3DC9-43C7-8554-8906C9693BBB-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-qNv4HwW/0/4bd55337/X3/B148163A-BD95-45A5-B40F-991C06473913-X3.jpg)


All I'm short of is exhaust outlets
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-r5ztXF8/0/2e8c2f14/X3/i-r5ztXF8-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 16, 2019, 12:08:43 AM
Jet drives are behind me now apart from maybe a bit more tweaking.


Today I'm going to leak test again and ballast it with four batteries and a sum of lead.
If we get the all clear to sail by Sunday I'll be good to go.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-qQsM9p8/0/ba1c5aca/X4/A70F95BA-D444-4675-A339-634BD802A772-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-vV6bXcR/0/28d62a45/X4/552AE508-375E-4C9D-B164-FAF3378E73CC-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: mk1 on October 16, 2019, 05:45:44 AM
Looking very good Andy hope mine turns out to be so nice.
John
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 16, 2019, 09:43:10 AM
Thank you John. We all know the answer to that  ok2  having seen your attention to detail  8)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 17, 2019, 02:45:53 PM
Keel complete and removable for hull painting


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-KSJcvRn/0/9b1cb0ad/X4/690B6932-FE93-49FF-A5F9-9FBCF332DC32-X4.jpg)


Just two per side small z shaped brackets to make and fit for the cable securing
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-6Rf7sBX/0/5708dc74/X3/16766A9A-3D33-42AF-84D2-5E1B3D265369-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 17, 2019, 03:08:12 PM
Finished moving the chine to the bottom edge of the fender line


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-RzPXgbH/0/36e85457/4K/1BACA65F-60D4-4339-8516-247F4579BC8B-4K.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-jRVhxH5/0/ca020607/X3/C1DDF93F-E8CF-41EF-9909-8CB795D4B503-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 17, 2019, 05:49:15 PM
I'm now ready to launch. Leak tested and ballasted. Deck taped on.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-GtV3s7x/0/93304a8e/X4/2988D55A-FEB3-444A-8A7E-D44F1EF41EB2-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-MXBxQVZ/0/28704416/X4/E5C65EE6-FDCD-4281-B75C-3ACA0477DCEC-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon (Ballasting)
Post by: Taranis on October 17, 2019, 07:02:45 PM
Eventually as the build progresses and more weight is added to the front half I may have to draw the front pair of batteries rearwards as pictured.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Q88rzHg/0/96a141fc/X4/AE4D6FC6-702D-4768-B154-EAA08AFBB27A-X4.jpg)


For the moment they are OK as originally designed and I have had to add a roll of lead to the stern to the value of 941grams. The rest of the build will account for a good half of that so the lead will be customised to suit.


Cable ties to help extraction
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-JPM3twj/0/6418c815/X4/6D340D74-8E78-43F2-89E9-16ECA15A061C-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Q7gqBCV/0/f19dd27d/X4/717C8104-F4CB-44EE-AD33-DC967986B956-X4.jpg)


The interior Unit available from Chris Scott to order would likely mean I would have to run on just two batteries but I would probably only use it for display purposes as it is easy to fit and remove  :-))


Chris has just informed me that a ready to run MBD of his build comes in at 9.4kg
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 17, 2019, 07:27:54 PM
I have just come back from a trip to my scales and I concur with Chris exactly.
If the water line is set correctly the MBD needs to be 9.4kg  :-))


FYI my batteries weigh 462grams each
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 17, 2019, 08:15:11 PM
Andy that does look a superb set-up and all seems to be progressing well. Plenty of helpful details, tips and advice for those other builders 'out there'. All the best with the weather and your planned test runs this weekend. Hopefully some 'footage' will appear and whet everyone's semi-scratch building appetites!
Kim
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 17, 2019, 09:18:34 PM
Thanks Kim
Latest news is the lake is still affected by algae so it wonít be happening the week  :((
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 19, 2019, 04:57:04 PM
I've just been looking through your photo CD Kim. What a fantastic collection  :-))   


I've been looking through mine too from Scarborough last year
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-jMgmSJ4/0/9d82dab0/X4/i-jMgmSJ4-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-9Rs3rpX/0/c995c505/X5/i-9Rs3rpX-X5.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-JNKrXNn/0/c9075c80/X4/i-JNKrXNn-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-gfKPjJg/0/8db6a27a/X4/i-gfKPjJg-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-wmCfNtg/0/2202c409/X4/i-wmCfNtg-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-pkHHTh7/0/310cfeb6/X4/i-pkHHTh7-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-3Rz5hkG/0/165e9433/X4/i-3Rz5hkG-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-rpFVcLn/0/d2407ca3/X4/i-rpFVcLn-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Netleyned on October 19, 2019, 05:40:02 PM
Great pics Andy  :-)) :-))


Ned
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 20, 2019, 04:57:44 PM
Thank you Ned, glad you like them I just have so many its a dilemma choosing the best.


Having seen some of Mr Plastic's latest Shannon commission pictures I have copied his tanking idea around the life raft housing to prevent water ingress on those much sought after rough sailing days


Used some of the GRP from cutting the hole in the deck


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-4CRB7jc/0/d59033ad/X3/B09F461B-71B3-4F8B-8CA3-9A74B99F9061-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-npnBTHB/0/56ea44a4/X3/D67F8AF3-CDC2-40D1-AC8B-557078800A3B-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 24, 2019, 10:15:43 PM
I've been asked a question to which I would also like some answers
When we come to attach the fender what adhesive are other builders using?


I want it secure but not such that its destructive if I want to pull them back off. I don't want it to tear the fendering.


My own deck with be attached with Stixall which I can separate with a blade if I really do need to take the deck off. This is why the fender would need to be removed.


suggestions invited please  :embarrassed:
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 26, 2019, 03:22:18 PM
My job for today is to scratch build the Starboard side forward ventilator.




Back plate
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-FLR8Fb9/0/b1b9be34/X3/07F37993-AA0D-4849-9897-E8DEE9CB21C6-X3.jpg)


Some mesh from stock
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-gDnCFJ8/0/344eb6a4/X3/1C47ADEB-DCE0-4E53-AA47-BE417512C9CF-X3.jpg)


Both 1mm styrene
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-pJC7Tj9/0/52dab81e/X2/7A18173E-D557-4C94-B292-974F69B394B8-X2.jpg)


Interior former 2mm
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-2VsWL9B/0/0ab36f13/X2/73BEE492-B1BE-4843-A37C-F7F85EB3980D-X2.jpg)


Sides 2mm
Mesh attached to 1mm styrene that I coated thinly with 5min epoxy and weighted down until set
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-7Cj2QQF/0/9368cb0d/X2/DEA2EFD7-736A-444B-9057-0A15580D6655-X2.jpg)
Leading edge 2mm styrene


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Hh2VKq5/0/2d5ea054/X2/0FECD493-14F4-4F8E-8BA4-ACBE61AEFBA5-X2.jpg)


Lid 1mm then sand to shape


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-tg29bGw/0/61db87f8/X2/34201ED7-82B9-4B79-8CED-6F043F46562C-X2.jpg)


Dressmakers pins
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-thQSgKc/0/b84e1037/X2/752FEED3-9CFA-41F0-B36A-2BFE7DC48A86-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-KdDn5RD/0/7df467cf/X2/1F554B84-EFD9-49C7-AEC7-5D31A40C6355-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-CCWQvkQ/0/578ea7f6/X2/73498C93-7A84-4F90-9191-F9F3F87C764C-X2.jpg)


Good enough for me, what next?
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-tdM6bWG/0/e1a23b55/X2/BCC0EB3B-2B2D-4368-9B05-0D0F95C77E36-X2.jpg)

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 26, 2019, 06:49:31 PM
A productive day still not over.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-tt3bRQV/1/0c712984/XL/7831EAC9-FBD7-4712-A6A4-055713F13E37-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-gJMSVNn/0/a62ff10b/XL/051140D6-A822-4ED7-8409-C79127CB37C4-XL.jpg)


This is the method I've adopted for creating grilles
A smear of epoxy before dropping the mesh
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-8NnZhjM/0/3913a731/XL/650755EA-68F1-48AE-BAF6-63850CB2AC5D-XL.jpg)


This just needs trimming to size and a frame making for it


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-CLDKPzr/0/d6c20321/XL/08F906DF-72FF-45BD-94D4-232CD11D9C5E-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 26, 2019, 09:14:40 PM
Enough today. Time for a Brandy  :-)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-ZNDwT2B/0/4b855e8f/L/4B45CA5C-AB57-4BB7-AC7A-CBDF3F2F070D-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-pRwBzB3/0/c9445859/XL/87A0F1F2-8414-495E-B010-2BC4C9608A63-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Mark T on October 26, 2019, 09:43:54 PM
I tell you what - that steel mesh was worth every penny.  Looks great and also looks very true to scale too  O0
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 26, 2019, 09:57:42 PM
Yes I bought a few sheets of different grades knowing I'd use it eventually but for my tug builds.
Not especially expensive and I posted it in What have you bought this week?  months back  :-))
The filter isn't exactly like for like but close enough for me  :-)
Cheers
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 26, 2019, 11:10:13 PM
Last photo today. Got to get ready for launch tomorrow


Managed to recreate the raised surround that is part of the cabin. Only minor detail left to add before paint


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-VzwbfGN/0/f4620b78/X3/1B239652-188C-4A21-A802-F3C6DF128330-X3.jpg)

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: mk1 on October 27, 2019, 06:27:29 AM
Very nicely done hope all goes well today.
John
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 27, 2019, 06:57:19 AM
Thank you John.
I've been up since 4:30 too  :-)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 27, 2019, 08:31:55 PM
Pump is now connected up and outlet fitted to coincide with an actual one on the yellow line


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-kJdp3mX/0/3a14d957/X3/B844FABD-7DF3-49F6-A5EF-2A5A23EC25E3-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-7pcnk5d/0/041b3827/X3/9C6608EB-F909-4645-9B5B-6AABA305F4CC-X3.jpg)


The pump was proven successful today
There was no noticeable evidence of water along the keel but clearly evidence of water in the suction pipe.
So it does the job without a fuss
The finished model will of course not let water in
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 29, 2019, 05:34:39 PM
Almost there
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-88wc4mJ/0/5e078eb7/XL/871DD1B5-9555-459C-B108-AD397A51A925-XL.jpg)


Difficult to spray with 5 colours but my filter is not fixed making it a little easier


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-frGfB5f/0/991fe97a/X4/ABD58D14-F421-4ED0-ACB9-0E4289A57417-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 30, 2019, 07:44:32 PM
My Danish friend Ole Bodker is really going to town on EXTRA details to his Speedline kit. This has lifted the bar considerably so I am myself trying a little harder even though I know my eyesight will not allow me to match his brilliance  %%  His pictures can be viewed on the Facebook group.


Meanwhile I have emphasised the details a little more on this
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-TVddfph/0/f7d86b7c/X3/8B678C02-6478-4BD3-BF4F-D091A005A33D-X3.jpg)


Primer on this highlights the grill which will simply be Orange with the flap in red.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-HnSKXRC/0/c04392b9/X3/646708F6-BE2A-4438-BC04-35BB099A9720-X3.jpg)


I'm focusing on port side details for a while


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-hnX4Hjn/0/6c350be8/X3/97BC0621-60A0-452A-BF2D-AD2A492D8086-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-rV7vpxW/0/4f72a2ae/X3/24C23BD7-50C9-459B-B87E-3FF569BD47C0-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-sGnnBMr/0/bba9dfa9/X3/2CA2C88E-923D-4652-8040-49BFCA9EDD55-X3.jpg)


Modified Speedline leftovers
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I will have to scratch make the brass fittings
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-NPkQnHr/0/7954174f/X3/01398D1E-EE5E-444D-BBD6-9B5BB84EB959-X3.jpg)




Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 31, 2019, 04:34:09 PM
Thought I'd try this today, nothing like mixing it up to keep interested.


Some sheet I bought as a mixed bundle for stock


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-qQjtLxr/0/feca3d9d/X4/F0214357-DC7D-4EB4-8D1F-86D248252984-X4.jpg)




Mixed with 4 pieces of 1mm styrene to look like real item. PVA to create weld lines. Bolts yet to fit before primer


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-32NjhTP/0/1fced904/X4/CC286D7A-D614-4641-B618-C2FEFB47DC7C-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 31, 2019, 06:29:37 PM
A tip for those who haven't assembled ! The side panel comes with too small an opening to fit the fitting flush so consider this early on.


It took some effort to open it out in situ.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-7cGD2Xx/0/1791815e/X3/D395F4BF-B5CE-4024-9AA7-09B4D00DAB84-X3.jpg)


Fitting from the back view
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-TVGqsJv/0/2d7becc2/X3/10A26A5D-EB79-4547-B918-3C333619447F-X3.jpg)


In position
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-QkVbxwt/0/9bd4511c/X3/CE1FFD0D-4696-4ECB-946D-2761134BC40D-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 01, 2019, 05:20:58 PM
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-N9Q4CxX/0/f1f51c48/X3/EA1DCF49-67F5-4DD0-BD57-21C18EC0AD65-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-MVHkfWn/0/9ff20a35/X3/1A2A4481-9978-41C5-95AB-72F1C688D4E2-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-43w3R2z/0/53703140/X3/A0881579-3A4A-4B95-8A49-E476BA4EC7D6-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-8nm754b/0/28a10262/X3/94DF80D5-AE44-42A0-A029-3DBEA85CF741-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-PCR2Tfv/0/663cbc0d/X3/CFF4FD88-DB47-473E-ABF4-C6023ED8B05B-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-56xLTm4/0/74fbac56/X3/7BBB2234-9C70-4F8F-AE8E-F7EC57EC0FE5-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-GW6v3V6/0/39a234e8/X3/DB2A07DF-8062-4933-9D55-BD0906404806-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 01, 2019, 08:39:43 PM
A reminder for you to buy the photo CD from Kim (all proceeds to RNLI) it really is priceless.


Using this as a guide
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-3L9rBL6/0/bf0b70e2/X3/77EBF492-EB46-4E40-AE02-E2F444C36C18-X3.jpg)


Bit by bit literaly recreate
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Xzt4p7C/0/18862dea/X3/D546F342-4AEF-4DF8-B3E8-F0682A2E3070-X3.jpg)

I don't expect things to work out mm perfect so long as it looks plausible
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-HLWSkHX/0/59c0018c/X3/A4182803-FD07-468A-9032-10334D7EF57D-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: me3 on November 01, 2019, 10:23:42 PM
Super build as usual! Just a heads up for other Shannon builders, the later boats have three sections of conduit running down the stbd side of the mast, it was a real pain to get all the cables down two! I guess it would make it easier to make the lights etc on the models easier.  Had the miss-fortune of wiring three masts for these!
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 01, 2019, 11:05:10 PM
Thank you  :-)


Iím still at it tonight as itís so engrossing when things go well


This will probably be Bridlington to stay in Yorkshire


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-DzTX3vS/0/7f181def/X3/9F4138DD-14FE-4844-8D58-B113DD005D88-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 02, 2019, 10:12:40 AM
I had no idea how I was going to do this but this morning within 2 hrs it just evolved.


CA Styrene Brass Solder 2mm tap servo rod end and it works  :-)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-FhLscT6/0/b9ddf869/X3/B25D4879-EBA1-4F7C-9716-944CBC5C5E4E-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-9x8mP6J/1/9066a88e/X3/1950D503-8D96-4997-A969-BAB033E8E152-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-KwhKqkR/0/8b4ec8ae/X3/3EB6BE98-59C3-4CDC-8F5D-675825BD3A92-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-DmNxqXS/0/ea0a9cca/X3/FA58A084-10DF-4FD9-9DEE-D15E95902DB6-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 02, 2019, 11:27:36 AM
The stay arm tab fitted (soldered)
First light coat of Tamiya Fine primer
Will be finished in bare metal silver


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-V99kvwH/0/6306a78f/X2/9503D6F3-AAE2-405D-921F-88BC7FF1E801-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: davidefoster on November 02, 2019, 04:38:55 PM
I am sure you must have posted it at least once before (but I can't find it!) but how & where does one contact Kim about the CD?
Many thanks.
David.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 02, 2019, 04:43:33 PM
Hi David
Canterbury Coxwain  :-))
https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=14570 (https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=14570)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Mark T on November 02, 2019, 05:03:41 PM
Top job on a difficult part.  I really like the way the soft solder imitates the welds something silver solder couldn't do.  Keep the photos coming  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 02, 2019, 05:21:34 PM
Thanks MarK  :-)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-K8KJ7gR/0/46b2783c/X3/41A555C4-F30E-4E0D-9229-BB50B316B446-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-6NXZRHM/0/710bcb32/X3/7571A8E1-D2B6-4A0C-AC02-51AFC7D778D8-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-6MjCrTv/0/7ade29d2/X3/ACADE370-3000-4E09-880D-E41DA741C9CA-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-TJXwWXb/0/ae049410/X3/C1C2E66F-E9FA-483B-A2AD-BE76EDB147B4-X3.jpg)




This is my mate Ole from Denmarks work. He's pushing everyones goals !  yes it is a Speedline but he is going the extra 100 miles in detail
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-gTw5G4g/0/44857522/X2/2FA66675-7BDB-4785-BA8F-7AE6728CD941-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-XhpV7hX/0/afc69c21/X2/62B0C3FC-4EDF-4730-BA1B-8C77374C4767-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-mZzmMJZ/0/d6c3f504/X2/4CFB4DEA-1821-4B8A-BA8C-9B4BB889F49B-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: davidefoster on November 02, 2019, 09:04:27 PM
Thanks Andy.
David.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 03, 2019, 10:47:52 AM
Today I want to fill those big holes in the cabin. No not the windows {-)  the fuel fillers :-)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-dFjm274/0/dcd3991c/X4/19258098-BA78-4DC9-9D62-E90038E098FB-X4.jpg)


Incidentaly I love this drill, it's so smooth and with the aftermarket chuck very straight forwards with even the tiniest drill bits
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-5pxZfDM/0/b3811bae/X3/97715AAF-39F1-4B04-BF98-2DC70BDE5A61-X3.jpg)


Here I just drilled 0.8mm
Using 1.5mm styrene for the main structure and 0.75mm for the filler plate

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-TX8ttW3/0/e1bab0a6/X3/25EAFA02-E072-4897-9A86-F6C47611085B-X3.jpg)


EDIT just in time
These are the smallest bolts I can get hold of from Knupfer. They are a very snug push fit in the 0.8mm holes


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-m8qKz8r/0/35638fba/X3/0F2986CB-A580-4B3E-9618-6CF00CDE50E9-X3.jpg)





Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 03, 2019, 05:29:34 PM

Need another order with Knupfer for bolts

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-3H8WNbB/0/18f91159/X3/DB39CE36-6891-4AED-BE85-4D5921881B91-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-fPL4Mfb/0/2f6e3004/X3/B47C7A27-7192-4AC9-AC5D-CF8A3AB3F1C7-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-9FBRdzv/0/bd3d2921/X3/5B19EE29-8ADB-4E8F-9B5B-0727B22E63BA-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-d3D7fSx/0/c778b565/X3/B6F70A15-9C4B-4C6F-A2F5-035DD02FF361-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-pCxPFtr/0/bd082958/X4/46EF9919-3FAA-4EF6-BE61-CD57DA5C2F25-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on November 03, 2019, 06:14:41 PM
Andy,
The scratch built detail being added is really bringing your model 'to life'. Also, the build stages for the detail are allowing others to 'copy' - hence helpful to newcomers to the scratch building approach. As for the Survivors' Gantry, that is a little work of art!
Thanks for the 'promo' for the DVD of photos - two have been received and 'burnt off'. Into the Post tomorrow. Another £15 for the RNLI at Dungeness.
There will be a PM on its way to you later this evening.
Continue enjoying your build - it shows through! :-))
Kim
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 03, 2019, 06:41:21 PM
Thank you Kim
Yes I'm really enjoying developing ways to do things, it just seems to happen for me  {-)

NOTE for CD buyers. Be sure to transfer the folders to your PC hard drive. They will view much faster from there than from a CD

Not sure how I'll make the filler caps yet tho  %%


I started this morning with the intention of copying a surplus Speedline fuel filler but as soon as I referred to real photos I gave that idea up as they are very different


For general info, some people struggle with the Knupfer site being German but if you use Google Chrome browser it will change it all to English  :-))


Personally I pay by IBAN in euros but they do take Paypal
https://knupfer.info/shop/ (https://knupfer.info/shop/)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on November 03, 2019, 07:03:01 PM
Andy,
Regarding filler caps, it's worth going online for the 1/12th scale car fuel fillers [like on an AC Cobra], there might just be something there or even the 'truck' type sites [1/14th scale?]. Also, some of the Japanese car upgrade companies like Hobby Link Japan [HLJ] might just have something. Otherwise, when I get there, I might machine them in 'ali' and polish - the shine will keep and certainly see me out!!
Kim
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 03, 2019, 11:43:48 PM




(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-73w5WXP/0/b1eeae16/X2/i-73w5WXP-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-sLmBjTZ/0/3899a4ad/X3/FB2FDAB8-0E04-4269-B294-5ED093551EF1-X3.jpg)


initially fixed with CA then post picture surrounded with 5 min epoxy


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-ztB3rZW/0/fadc9449/X3/61EA1792-B184-4381-A99B-F8B1FF3F0E93-X3.jpg)


Feathered in ready for primer


The plate is detachable so can be fitted after orange coat etc
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-tnmtwv3/0/315826da/X4/BD4D8771-C0E7-42E7-AF5E-6ECDC35847F7-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 04, 2019, 09:01:23 PM
I'm pleased enough how these turned out with no sign of a join line. Tamiya primer is very good stuff.
Now the holes are filled I will leave further detail for another day.

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Zk4hFNM/0/36333ef6/X4/BE335300-E905-4A71-B3BB-E649F4B66C48-X4.jpg)


Attention turned to the aerial mast brackets

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-fQf7c5s/0/f163db56/X3/C4A93602-2F91-4C16-BF4C-7614D0F7128B-X3.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-cvM5N9t/0/668c8816/X3/982A6D0F-4B49-417D-85A2-0077C0B3E81B-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 05, 2019, 02:09:52 PM




(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-d2s4Bqp/0/0b3d724c/X4/234062A5-0E93-4ED0-8163-47280C5AB8BB-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-CWbhbVG/0/5cc9778b/X3/7B0C91D6-ED4A-46BE-81C4-2AD2E1812F8C-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-CvKDz3c/0/7563af57/X3/E778ADDE-3271-482E-B600-303994B0D977-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-cvC5KGR/0/5f0c54f1/X3/0A636E58-F68B-4043-9177-9FAA842995BC-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 05, 2019, 06:19:59 PM
Last night I prepared some brass rod with threaded ends in preparation to make those aerial knuckle fittings. A fortuitous trip to Leeds Model shop this morning resulted in the above instead. Much faster and I'm sure you'll agree that with chrome spray look very realistic.
This is Humbrol Chrome, is there a product I can protect it with to prevent tarnish?


The Graupner bits were £8.49 for 10


I put this in my watch list a while ago in response to forum posts.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ALCLAD-2-KLEAR-KOTE-GLOSS-ALC310/152882224287?var=453219652028
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: coch y bonddu on November 05, 2019, 10:13:23 PM
Hard as Nails by Sally Hansen Nail Varnish, Boots or any supermarket chemsits sell it,I use it all the time on fishing flies etc nad it is not affected by water
 




Dave
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 05, 2019, 10:14:15 PM
Thanks Dave
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: coch y bonddu on November 05, 2019, 10:30:57 PM
Knick some off the wife when she NOT looking ...and RUN LIKE HECK  O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0




Dave
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 06, 2019, 09:01:41 AM
I'm in her good books today having spent half of yesterday doing jobs for her  O0
Someone just asked this morning where to get the hinges.


I bought here but anyone local can have my left overs at cost price http://www.modelshopleeds.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=30673&gclid=Cj0KCQiA-4nuBRCnARIsAHwyuPp1psYIvndKRX9VIeFCXpjmmlczQlH2ANPQTunNM3UjfMN7PSOSOxYaAl7eEALw_wcB
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 06, 2019, 07:49:12 PM
A bit of a struggle today, advice needed?
This styrene in not happy with any of these adhesives  :((   Could it be the age of it?
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-VvSFFTt/0/77af6be4/XL/5DA884B8-C9B6-4441-966F-C9CBE9B293C0-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-2SXpmL4/0/2457a708/XL/FD573C87-D2F9-4C3D-8724-ADFAFE97ECEE-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 07, 2019, 01:34:51 AM
Lots of advice offered on the facebook group and I've opted for the suggestion of epoxy.
Not final fixed yet

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-TmHQGvW/0/91c6fc21/X3/A2F2B4DD-93DD-47D3-9501-3A65F21BEB18-X3.jpg)


Epoxy not too obvious internally supporting multiple faces
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-xgjt93c/0/cfd83cee/X2/EB85B973-E56D-42BD-877A-2CB0545F9940-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 07, 2019, 02:04:45 AM
Now glued in place. Only time will tell how robust? but if they break I will put a SS servo rod right through with a nut and washer in the cabin


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-5t3gF6s/0/66c7a47b/X4/E82283D8-CC95-4E82-A646-918A3444E86F-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 07, 2019, 04:30:44 PM
Took a while to think of a way to make boat hook and Aerial stowage brackets but I think they will do. I could cut a slot in them yet. I've used a key hole shape so the rods snap into place securely.  3mm styrene 


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-qkDFP97/0/4b202cc1/X3/2138BDD8-BB6B-4AF6-8E71-6206A3C626F5-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-VgQChWK/0/9cc56afd/X3/4D02CB05-8D9B-44A4-BA10-3A4724D96DB3-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-msFvSzB/0/3f74b4ff/X3/49F5823F-364A-41E2-944F-A0726C7F2056-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-JBHv2zj/0/8d32c6fa/X3/0652780A-644C-4BE2-B08E-6941C7543BA9-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-ftHBhwj/0/1c73ecb7/X3/F2AA3C59-6B4C-4395-A09B-55B95E37E8D6-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-3ShGmbc/0/8be51905/X4/D213F6BE-5F8F-4615-906C-0A18762F3498-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Wsvfzv8/0/d855a2d9/X4/CBFE5300-EA3F-4E9C-9C19-6718F32FC9BE-X4.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-D7cQxCb/0/852b76d1/X4/885BF9F2-39E3-47FE-B004-46D6D24C7602-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 07, 2019, 11:17:01 PM
I've just placed another order with Knupfer and whilst browsing I found the brass profile that will do for the cable retainers on the bow keel I hope

A reminder that Google Chrome browser will translate this site
https://knupfer.info/shop/index.php/deutsch/profile-messing-feinprofile/messing-z/m-p-04.html (https://knupfer.info/shop/index.php/deutsch/profile-messing-feinprofile/messing-z/m-p-04.html)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 08, 2019, 02:01:50 PM

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Vv6CGn2/0/23644930/X3/C8D29192-7D42-43BD-B4D4-F3B5BB12166D-X3.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-wsR7F3L/0/316b8af8/X2/D9B39C78-08D0-4EB9-8345-0FB94321506C-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-trfgkg3/0/41e362ef/X2/C4D76874-CDE1-4E0B-A73F-147CDA9F200E-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-MMrjB7j/0/4fdf0a4c/X2/591C6298-2EEA-4331-ADB5-B1C32721C4D9-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-gLtr5k8/0/ee853856/X2/5230ECDF-8492-42D5-8842-840E21B4EFC6-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-qSfgF9C/0/d6e08881/X2/B2BE305C-13BA-4B46-A684-8C2CB0F308AA-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 08, 2019, 04:10:15 PM
I'm happy with these and I feel like making the TEE next so I can make the support arms to suit
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-77ZRmDM/0/f7545d9d/X3/995E2B30-B6DA-4E96-95BC-042ACBF4FAA2-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-rdTHKfg/0/f52df229/X3/DA3A1963-1B2E-4C77-B779-7EFA2791BAB6-X3.jpg)


Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Netleyned on November 08, 2019, 04:25:14 PM
Beautiful brackets Andy :-))
Ned
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 08, 2019, 04:27:20 PM
Thank you Ned. It's only recently that I've tried combining styrene and brass with CA. Seems to be holding up well and no heat involved which means no hours of cleaning up my soldering  {-)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Netleyned on November 08, 2019, 05:12:22 PM
 :-))
Ned
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 09, 2019, 02:23:01 PM
So on with the TEE
Started last night and it's by no means a 5 min job.
I opted for 3mm styrene as this gives plenty of meat for rounding the edges
pictures so far
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-sHz28FJ/0/5890c50c/X3/53A9BB02-49AD-4678-80F5-1C1C13430745-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-pgcknjz/0/99665b1c/X3/1DBBD8C2-F19F-43AE-9DB9-4CFB66D58934-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-nzcL6n8/0/3651b1f8/X2/4746D6B5-577A-4CE7-9801-D72DC682396B-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-JTLFrPv/0/1abc4655/X2/D7384210-4209-4126-8013-E766D45382B8-X2.jpg)


I used a semi circular profile cut into quadrants for this


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Wkw4QTd/0/4ced6c82/XL/8847BA5D-AB81-4BFC-8D4C-0C7A095629FD-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 09, 2019, 03:58:22 PM
This is the best way to prepare for making the side support arms
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-m5NvLbv/0/d47b9b94/X3/46CABD52-2E26-431D-BD06-17FECA3FD860-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-JVhcq5z/0/11b8bd27/X3/F27C156A-A5BA-40B8-96C0-AF11178921C8-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-8f4wRqx/0/e1435d3f/X3/A25CDFCA-B9F7-464C-8812-ECFAB8F79D8A-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-BvccHQm/0/8918ad68/X3/A4EA409E-A569-4B74-BDE1-D282A5508479-X3.jpg)

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 09, 2019, 07:01:56 PM

This is 4mm or more accurately 3.97 mm brass rod K&S
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-KBN3G9P/0/0142d934/X3/7BDE6996-BDBB-4FD5-B753-62ABB9F403EF-X3.jpg)

Thin brass rod used to find correct angle
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Wxj4dGJ/0/eddf519a/X3/87AF5F68-2B5C-4A9A-816F-15ED00D89177-X3.jpg)

4mm tube used for hydraulic arm attachment points
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-rtgVgQS/0/5df9dbef/X3/16FCF3C0-2567-4240-82A0-08E3C6D72265-X3.jpg)

Fixed in position with 5 min epoxy
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-WNWBWmh/0/7fb202e3/X3/BF93A0F6-F5E5-41FA-81B4-61B767285712-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-PVqnGxx/0/4a2772b2/X3/2F6D9F02-30E7-4EF0-8DCE-5501646C8D95-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 09, 2019, 11:55:04 PM




(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-MDXtcqT/0/2f525c9d/XL/934D32EB-6B11-499F-B3CB-1A9CB7C37D0D-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-FrLpxb7/0/b94132bc/XL/CA64BF51-DCDC-4D5C-8CA9-D422E5729BA5-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-scx64JJ/0/7698e627/XL/999054F4-6E89-453D-A63A-9FC1CFEF9DF1-XL.jpg)

Distance from cabin roof to underside of TEE = 75mm
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-gGQWVRg/0/c407ef58/X3/5226D971-3BE6-4427-9B16-3ABC69853830-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-2QZVXLs/0/d53159e3/X4/BFC6FDB0-E4FC-4E39-889B-B1FF153CCDA1-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 10, 2019, 04:50:11 PM



(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-ZknW4m3/0/10c6a937/X3/32208251-5499-41E9-BE98-A38462B2AE7C-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Dbdq9Dg/0/e803cea6/X3/D4A8E85B-8B17-48E9-B818-7675B1984136-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-zjswbZJ/0/eef4100e/X3/689E608B-5839-4658-BA81-321A61B29BD2-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-cfhpZbp/0/e776d8e1/X3/4A818AF0-0E01-4C7A-8DCD-D3920B59A858-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-wS92Wd2/0/a8196f2a/X3/AF8ED8E3-9AF9-42CA-8B0B-EA9E9C345127-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 11, 2019, 01:59:03 PM
Sometimes developing a method is like wading through mud but I think I've solved the next step.


K&S box profile


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-RT37z9T/0/e5faf621/X3/9FD38183-DF15-4D54-B8A4-34CD66BFDECC-X3.jpg)


Painstakingly filled out to a C section
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-32SMSdg/0/626316ce/X3/90152E75-A99C-4B0E-B03D-EA6CA4B1D17A-X3.jpg)


To fit three pieces of Styrene comfortably so it slides without being sloppy


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-6MHTWRD/0/651d53a8/X3/CBAA7FF0-A60C-403E-A5F2-0CEBCD8C8226-X3.jpg)


So now I have something to build upon with soldered parts. This will of course be drilled to look like the real deal
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-TXZrghK/0/2e00a605/X3/56918437-2C78-42F1-8E2A-93CC6F2408F0-X3.jpg)


Also started on the top anchors
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-hMJhGCn/0/cf15e51d/X3/A44EE7AA-025D-4F72-AA2B-E5B1A079B3B1-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 11, 2019, 06:36:11 PM




(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-hnVHxtq/0/d118b61b/X3/57B4A4DE-B814-4A63-8269-85392F0A4294-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-G7FPBVv/0/403bd760/X3/9638C29D-3501-45FA-BF99-71C3BEA733A6-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-KrHvXmZ/0/06325f8f/X3/C0626914-671F-4C7C-AB3D-EDDC87D83E0D-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Qh3R96x/0/72c64263/X3/17B1507F-0D09-4218-805C-08727AFD51BD-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-mVQwxvk/0/ee8ca158/X3/54DF6A53-8B95-4242-AEF8-99118CD3B858-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 12, 2019, 09:02:55 AM
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-KjJ93BQ/1/49b741ba/XL/AB3C1EEC-4FDC-4F61-8502-A115B3FC110F-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-97Fqvk4/1/6b85accc/X2/8E52CA48-FD21-4410-8DAB-955CFC513468-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-rx2BvvZ/1/41263cd6/X2/329CFBDC-101A-4376-9C90-47FA248413DB-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-WQkqLVm/0/50bc87c5/X3/396233BA-86F1-496B-A439-C19FEC3CE55F-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-BGdXSTC/0/037357ac/X4/8EF94A53-123B-4E1D-A412-636B9032B8B4-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: derekwarner on November 12, 2019, 10:37:27 AM
Flooding solder on brass after pre-tinning is such fun  :-)) ........... Derek
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 12, 2019, 12:54:57 PM

 :-) 



<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/I6YVzYmiqfE" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 12, 2019, 04:47:26 PM




(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-WshhRNW/0/269a4f6e/X4/A887CE3C-04BA-4EED-B9A7-5CA86A911101-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-kKB9Nbb/0/562f75a0/X4/197ED6EF-C5CA-4424-B98E-8485BC0AC6DF-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 12, 2019, 05:54:52 PM




(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-PbsGLZJ/0/783c88d5/X3/E47EFC0C-C79E-4685-A3DA-31092E59B848-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-XqQQM4M/0/62303044/X3/9B416D0F-5E58-4224-83F2-6CDFA2AAB5B6-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-LBJVWmk/0/659de61a/X4/436669BD-3EAC-42E4-9647-B90691BA10BA-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: The Old Fart on November 13, 2019, 09:03:00 AM
Found this a while back, lots of information.


https://www.panopticmotion.co.uk/virtual-tour/ilfracombe-rnli-virtual-tour/ (https://www.panopticmotion.co.uk/virtual-tour/ilfracombe-rnli-virtual-tour/)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 13, 2019, 09:09:56 AM
Yes itís a cracker that one  :-))  thanks for adding it Dave
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 13, 2019, 10:20:42 AM


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-b3mpqtX/0/1190f253/X4/DA7357C5-BC9E-40EF-9A11-AEEA468B9D9E-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-5D7RX6D/1/6ff50cd0/XL/DA7357C5-BC9E-40EF-9A11-AEEA468B9D9E-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Cornishman on November 13, 2019, 01:37:56 PM
 Great work!
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 14, 2019, 11:11:21 AM
Thank you Cornish  :-)  encouragement always welcome


There are so many things to make that often there is delay in deciding what next but that keeps it interesting. Being in a rush is definately a big negative to be avoided


The head protector cushion made and fitted.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-rg4rbDM/0/31e92cb5/X4/DF645CCC-7483-40E3-A5D2-B6B939C09ADA-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-SjZVxTG/0/74e02f6b/X3/F161393E-2D25-4AE0-B5CF-C98B722DC9EB-X3.jpg)


Edit
I forgot this picture earlier for other builders. I fitted a 7mm deep styrene all around the inner edge to space the lower lids just proud and then sanded them flush. Total thickness 13mm or so
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Z8cktQd/0/93836ca0/X4/16FC094B-8180-44ED-B01D-079964F4BF94-X4.jpg)


More pictures


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-vnV6Cwh/0/82165b98/X3/9BF289F9-AA82-45C7-A362-B2D82987FCC5-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-RnLTPt6/0/bc692564/X3/A8FEC96A-BA55-4112-B86B-471FE1CCC769-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-C66XcrZ/0/804ee1d4/X3/8CD348A4-E55F-4653-93A7-45FC96EC3ACC-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Cornishman on November 14, 2019, 03:53:23 PM
    Having built a few boats, my lifeboats being a Model Slipway Trent and my last boat, a M S Tamar, which I donated to Padstow RNLI,  I can appreciate the work require to produce a good model.  I modified my Tamar with opening stern door, lowerable mast and aerials,and working radar and lights.
    I always had plenty of good comments, but to see the detail you put on your builds I am so impressed.
Have you built other RNLI boats, and if so do you have any pictures we can see?


   I am sure you could build a brilliant launching carriage and tractor for your model. Any thoughts?








Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 14, 2019, 04:37:21 PM
Thank you.
I'm a relatively new modeller. Two of my builds can be viewed via the links at the bottom.
I have largely built a 1:12 Speedline Shannon but got stalled with it having started this MBD. I am much preferring my new found ability to magic parts up  :-)  I may finish the Speedline after this.
Launching carriage etc would be great but I have more models to build than years left so I don't know

She sails fine and this was her state earlier this year
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-z6x3DM8/0/63eb63de/X4/i-z6x3DM8-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-sxrq5t8/0/f190a7df/X4/i-sxrq5t8-X4.jpg)


My first love
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgrath/-1/i-zLkbtjh/0/6cf784cc/X4/F647CCCE-7122-467C-9C62-CE0DB2BD4BD0-X4.jpg)


My second completed in a very enjoyable 6 weeks or so
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-C3SWwsf/0/e9991db6/X3/9B4F90B1-391D-40BE-A5E4-0DF9A5234965-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 14, 2019, 05:04:49 PM
Last pictures this week. Wife is in charge tomorrow onwards  :((


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-f49SxPH/1/a9224c75/XL/6747FD8E-7CAC-488D-8E98-43C0BE45638F-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-8WRpd57/0/324f9c9a/XL/89F50FB9-39FA-41C3-9B9A-5AD339446D27-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-bs54STC/0/867bb673/XL/9EDDA59D-1DB2-462F-80CF-9E67060DC996-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-3ZHhJHp/0/47f9592e/X3/F742B51F-2518-472D-85E1-5C36632B5E4B-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-7HhxP4X/0/2f2f5e2c/X3/A5A32726-B718-4B02-AC21-BC6C9A76B984-X3.jpg)


P.S.  Cornishman. I have a Shannon builders group on facebook where everyone shares if you want to join
https://www.facebook.com/groups/220509768718588/580295319406696/?comment_id=580335902735971&reply_comment_id=580338042735757&notif_id=1573725328555697&notif_t=group_comment

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: coch y bonddu on November 14, 2019, 05:10:10 PM
Could you not radio control the lift and fall of the gantry using a linear servo mounted under the deck ???


Dave
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 14, 2019, 05:10:58 PM
The Shannon has a manually operated Mast


Introducing a servo rod that doesn't belong would make the level of detail a bit of a waste of time. However you're not the first to suggest this and I understand the line of thought.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-C66XcrZ/0/804ee1d4/X3/8CD348A4-E55F-4653-93A7-45FC96EC3ACC-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Charlie on November 14, 2019, 06:03:40 PM
Love the clarity of your photos. Phone or Camera?
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 14, 2019, 06:06:53 PM
Love the clarity of your photos. Phone or Camera?


Iphone 11 pro max  :-))  cheers Charlie
The bigger clarity and choice of photo sizes is mainly due to my own picture hosting
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 14, 2019, 06:21:18 PM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/IVPSqgi3vKI" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 14, 2019, 08:06:46 PM
Supplies tip
I mostly buy from Knupfer but these are much cheaper here
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/M1-M1-2-M1-6-M2-M2-5-A2-STAINLESS-MACHINE-SCREWS-CSK-COUNTERSUNK-SLOTTED-BOLTS/111753772101?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=410748822911&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/M1-M1-2-M1-6-M2-M2-5-A2-STAINLESS-MACHINE-SCREWS-CSK-COUNTERSUNK-SLOTTED-BOLTS/111753772101?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=410748822911&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649)

For styrene use a 0.8mm drill bit and no need to tap a thread with M1 screws
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 14, 2019, 08:33:46 PM
Another supplies tip
I find the these sheradised steel washers will solder (Knupfer) impossible to find in brass
They are 2.7mm by 8mm and perfect for grab rail roses if you solder from the back. I will demonstrate when I make mine.


Centre punch for mock fixings
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-tZGxMCh/0/f82d7abd/X2/2DA36CE6-B545-47AD-B23A-30C5E5588848-X2.jpg)


The locking lever was made from 10mm 90 brass
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-58TdtTs/0/716076b3/X3/7521940F-9808-4360-A649-C541CB8EC7CE-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 14, 2019, 08:53:01 PM
I'm now looking at the rare parts I would struggle to make from scratch so this video is a starting point. Any contributions to that end are very welcome




https://youtu.be/BwLGK-uqQ90