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The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Lifeboats => Topic started by: Taranis on September 26, 2018, 09:57:53 pm

Title: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 26, 2018, 09:57:53 pm
I will be building this here starting late November after the Warwick boat show. The build will incorporate KMB water jets with now functional reversing buckets. Andy Griggs tells me the buckets are now included in the kit. I find this remarkable having looked at the offering from Thomas Sievers at Ä73 each untested. I will also be using Simon's impellers Protean.
My build is not in any way in competition with those other fine builds by Kim or Chris Scott, indeed I hope they will help me when I need it  :-)


Best regards to my forum friends
Andy
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on September 26, 2018, 11:55:52 pm
Andy,
Welcome to the 'Shannon Club'. We don't feel there is any sort of competition here, just enjoy the research and your build and please share it with us - I have had lots of help from 'all over the place' in getting to where I am today..............and still learning, mightily!! Sure, if you need any help or advice there will be someone here that can help or point you in the right direction.
Well, I have just come back to my 'thread', after a long lay-off...............so better get on with that, but great to see another Shannon getting underway in Dry Dock.
Send me a PM and I will give you my email address, should you wish.
Enjoy the winter months and your build.
Kim

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 29, 2018, 08:55:28 pm
Thank you Kim  :-))
I must confess this will be my second Shannon but one I can share with the help and support of MBD experienced builders.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 02, 2018, 10:59:05 pm
An early question for other MBD builders
This regards trim tabs and their operation. I imagine a couple of options but Iíd like the benefit of others experience please.
I imagine direct overhead servo operation as is possible with a removable deck, is this still possible with a fixed deck ? I guess yes with a sympathetically designed hatch.
The other option is remote servo with a 90 bellcrank
Has anyone fabricated their trim tabs yet? Pictures would be appreciated.
I have in stock so far
2x Turnigy SK3 1250kv outrunners
2x Turnigy marine 50amp ESC  proven to be more than adequate
2x KMB jet 28 RIVA-Calzoni recommended by Andy Griggs as suitable for his reverse buckets
2x Protean impellers to collect
2x KMB motor adaptor plates
2x KMB splash guards
6x servos Corona DS329MG midi size,  again proven in use without issues.
Input from other builders on what you use is welcomed for options
A drawer full of radar motors from china, Component shop no longer stock unfortunately.
If anyone wants the ebay link? you can negotiate with the seller yourself.


Is it acceptable/desirable to post links to the source of each supplier? Martin?

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: tica on October 03, 2018, 03:48:07 pm
What type of battery will you be using ?
And looking fwd for the build log
I'm building a Thor coast guard from BB at the moment it is with KMB Jet 28, and is thinking about getting the Protean impellers for it.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 03, 2018, 04:08:07 pm
What type of battery will you be using ?
And looking fwd for the build log
I'm building a Thor coast guard from BB at the moment it is with KMB Jet 28, and is thinking about getting the Protean impellers for it.


Hi Tica. I will be using 2 x 4s LiPo 5000mah minimum each
Replied to your pm  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: tica on October 03, 2018, 04:49:23 pm
4S ok then you are still at the recommended max RPM. I'm running a Palm Beach with 1800KV and 3S and need 90A ESC (same setup for the Thor but times 2), for the next jetboat build I would consider a solution like yours.
PM well received  :-))

Carsten
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: gregk9 on October 06, 2018, 03:47:59 pm
for trim tab operation, Ive installed flexi "aircraft elevator" cables, run inside nylon tubing to act as a sleeve, so I can mount the servos remotely and fully accessible in the main compartment, rather than back at the stern, risking yet another water ingress source.  just another option to consider.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 07, 2018, 07:57:13 pm
Thanks Steve. I have seen this done on the nozzle steering but not on trim tabs. I have yet to see anyones scratch made trim tabs for an MBD. Can you offer any photos?
Cheers Andy
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Neil on October 07, 2018, 08:14:57 pm
Thanks Steve. I have seen this done on the nozzle steering but not on trim tabs. I have yet to see anyones scratch made trim tabs for an MBD. Can you offer any photos?
Cheers Andy



just use your speedline ones as templates for making in 16/18  gauge brass O0
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 07, 2018, 08:19:35 pm
Ultimately that is a good starting point as they are quite like the real ones. I would still like to see others examples rather than spend time doing what might be made easier with the benefit of their experience. I would also prefer direct overhead servo rods as they look closer to the real actuating rams
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 08, 2018, 07:13:37 am
Having had a good think about this on the throne this morning I have concluded that black phenolic sheet will be a better option. Brass will soon look tatty as the paint wears or worse chips off in use. Various thicknesses are readily available and most likely use 2mm
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: C-3PO on October 08, 2018, 08:45:23 am
I would also prefer direct overhead servo rods as they look closer to the real actuating rams

Voila!

(http://modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2018/10/08/IMG_2486.jpg)

C-3PO
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 08, 2018, 09:31:39 am
Looks super thanks Jonathan
What has John used to fabricate the tabs?
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 08, 2018, 09:05:12 pm
I will fashion them from this along with other thicknesses from stock


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2mm-Phenolic-paper-laminate-sheet-SRBP-B4-200-mm-x-75-mm-electrical-insulation/121663971875?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=420668834505&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2mm-Phenolic-paper-laminate-sheet-SRBP-B4-200-mm-x-75-mm-electrical-insulation/121663971875?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=420668834505&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 08, 2018, 09:22:29 pm
I'm pretty sure with Andy's new reversing buckets to fit the KMB drives that I can replicate this appearance and performance. The trim tabs operate automatically in response to forward speed and bucket lowering. Facilitated by mixing channels with open TX software on FRsky Taranis TX
My drives arrived from Germany today  :-)


https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-RCVhZC2/0/b135a233/1280/i-RCVhZC2-1280.mp4 (https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-RCVhZC2/0/b135a233/1280/i-RCVhZC2-1280.mp4)

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: C-3PO on October 09, 2018, 08:34:41 am
Looks super thanks Jonathan
What has John used to fabricate the tabs?
Hi Andy - I think they are made aluminium

C-3PO
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 09, 2018, 02:27:59 pm
They look well
My Paxolin is on the way to experiment with
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 11, 2018, 09:08:41 am
Iím thinking my MBD will be Workington to avoid the need for the beach launch and recovery equipment
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: kinmel on October 12, 2018, 10:54:14 pm
Iím thinking my MBD will be Workington to avoid the need for the beach launch and recovery equipment
You really think Workington's davit system will be easier to replicate?      ....  https://vimeo.com/226882344 (https://vimeo.com/226882344)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 12, 2018, 10:56:45 pm
 {-) {-)  No Alan but it opens up further possibilities  :-)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 13, 2018, 11:25:45 am
Thanks to a donated photo by Andrew Cowling I see Workington still has a keel extension so I guess they all do regardless? I could do with some bow photos for her. That video shows everything else  :-))


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/Speedline-photos/i-hMFdcXD/0/ed55094b/X3/IMG_20180913_181535-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-N7q62JV/0/94cb0eeb/X2/i-N7q62JV-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on April 01, 2019, 08:52:54 pm
A lot of posts and not yet struck a bat  {-)
I decided to put my other builds in order and finish them one by one rather than attempting multiple models all vying for attention.
At this point today I've reached a milestone of brass completion. This will all have to made again for my MBD.
No more soldering for me this year  :-) 
See you again a couple of boats from now  %%
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-S2S2HTm/0/5cf88d83/X5/i-S2S2HTm-X5.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-MrCtQZV/0/11136f5c/X5/i-MrCtQZV-X5.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on April 02, 2019, 03:33:50 pm
I missed the cabin front railings  :embarrassed: 
After a question from Mick French I've now learned that the shannon uses two types of lifering beacon. Compare Scarborough to Workington above  :-))


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-mDXF6ZR/1/dc0506cf/X5/i-mDXF6ZR-X5.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Pragmatist on July 04, 2019, 09:17:23 pm
Looking forward to seeing this build in progress.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on July 24, 2019, 10:34:01 am
Making a start when my drives arrive. Then I can work out dimensions for OceanWorks to make intake grills and trim tabs.
I'm not using the Kehrer drives I purchased last year

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: dpbarry on July 26, 2019, 11:53:41 am
Hi Taranis

Any particular reason why you aren't using the Kehrer drives?

I see they are out of stock at moment on Oceanworks but I'm not sure if its a case of them just being out of stock or they make to order.

What has been your experience in purchasing and pricing compared to Kehrer?

Regards

Declan

Making a start when my drives arrive. Then I can work out dimensions for OceanWorks to make intake grills and trim tabs.
I'm not using the Kehrer drives I purchased last year
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on July 26, 2019, 01:45:48 pm

Hi Declan Iím not over enamoured with Kehrer not producing a realistic hamilton reversing bucket when there is clearly a marketing opportunity
I donít especially love the one supplied by Andy either
OceanWorks are revising the jet to a suitable size for me and the Shannon and will be sent to me when victor has tested them
Sales are suspended pending revisions
Buying was easy and delivery a couple of weeks without me receiving import charges on this occasion.


Iíd advise waiting until you see how I get on installing these before spending  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 01, 2019, 09:15:25 am
The new design
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-9K8rf5h/0/f15f1513/L/09D31048-C11F-432A-9977-6D830BF96A0B-L.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: dpbarry on August 01, 2019, 09:40:59 am
Looks good.

Saw the photo over on CC's blog. Is the direction thrust controlled by a servo attached to the square block? If so, what's you views on it in terms of sturdiness.

Declan
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 01, 2019, 09:46:47 am
Itís up to the builder how they achieve function.
Yes itís sturdy
I donít have any experience of the MBD and have it all to discover
Given that access to the stern is limited I would not be mounting servos there and I donít think anyone does in either model

Having said that all may change during construction

Clearly my Speedline is a very different approach with full access
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-2gmtvXJ/0/f0411790/X4/i-2gmtvXJ-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 01, 2019, 10:32:58 am
Picture for scale
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-JXm6ssk/1/d099347c/X3/6F6E3B78-9BFB-4DEF-B778-10D0F959AB4B-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 01, 2019, 01:40:32 pm
Like a virgin
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-wVVRpfd/0/9040fc7e/X3/0E5BA6C6-F5A0-4E6E-8FD2-1AFB56E0BCBF-X3.jpg)


Touched for the very first time


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-tf4g3F2/0/b0613ac0/X3/67DA459D-66C4-4DDD-8CED-216882284BBA-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-zp8JsGk/0/be66fc50/X3/6639152B-3FC3-4D65-972A-C410976F847A-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-5pqNCWz/0/286257ec/X3/2444E7AD-F20E-4D4F-B73C-0327FD489E19-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-zRZ52bf/0/7cf88bf8/X3/2BC30FE0-426B-4BF0-9059-9CE0B7DE58F5-X3.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Z6WhVqt/1/9ff841b8/X3/0FAC027E-10A8-4FA9-B895-FDF72E46BDD9-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-CMDh67b/0/cafc7495/X3/906F727D-6809-40ED-9CF7-4258D9944394-X3.jpg)


Much more to come from Victor. I'm now committed CUT ONCE!  {-)


Grills in progress
Transom plates and trim tabs discussed
Making buckets left and right handed also discussed


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-hC2KVrH/0/5f97dd38/X2/21F112A1-33A8-4376-B74C-F76A2AAD87BE-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: dpbarry on August 01, 2019, 03:37:07 pm
Excellent. Looking forward to more photos!  :-)) :-))

Have to say, I like the paint job inside the hull in the first photograph. I'll be taking a similar approach. Maybe its from my days at helping my brother and cousin building Rally Cars. Engine bay and crew compartment was always sprayed diamond white and scrutineers always loved to see the car coming in as everything was gleaming which made their job of checking it over easier.

Can't say it was clean after the first few stages but still, was always easy to spot water or oil leaks etc. Same logic will apply to all my boats.

Declan
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 01, 2019, 04:00:06 pm
 :-))
Two coats of Hammerite smooth white by brush


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-b6NHJBb/0/b44441eb/X3/8E64FFCE-D92F-4EC2-A153-39B911A6E136-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-D3xcV9c/0/63274c17/X3/8B05A731-3F03-49E3-83AC-C0D0C0ECDEF1-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-LMZPLdB/0/bc158375/X3/75B9C7ED-8001-4637-AD32-27C51DEFEF2E-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-SmTf4xp/0/15952b4f/X3/45352B5B-23C0-483D-9028-82A8609E1D28-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 01, 2019, 04:28:59 pm
A bonus snippet is..........
Protean/PropShop impellers for Kehrer will fit OceanWorks 28mm jets
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-9fCzF7P/0/0a26befe/X3/1449C9AC-AF8A-4623-8166-2743A0CB1285-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 02, 2019, 12:46:38 am
Bilge keels fitted. Here is the original MK1 Speedline intake grill which fits very well. I will have to see what Victor produces for me/us
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-fXxGMqq/0/2a4e0122/X3/FFA69708-CFF4-4553-A0FD-3732A9A74DD0-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 02, 2019, 09:07:01 pm
Busy on other things today including boat stuff.
I've started reading Kim's thread for help. A wonderful resource!
Only job today on mine is as per page one according to Kim  :kiss:


To equalise the hull flange all round.  I may get to level the Keel tomorrow or at least reinforce the inside with resin before starting. Hindsight is a wonderful thing
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-K4sKq28/0/38860ec4/X4/ED6DC7D3-3A3C-47C2-AB7B-E0EC054F2694-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 02, 2019, 09:59:11 pm
Andy,
That is such a neat and orderly Shannon build - a real inspiration and standard for us to aspire to. It's great that we can all benefit from each other, so it was good to read your comments regarding my 'thread'. Maybe it's worth the time invested in producing it. If it was not for this I would not have met Arno and that's the biggest 'reward' I could ever have had through MBM and lifeboats.
I do like the look of your intended water-jets, even though I am satisfied with mine [when I originally saw Andy G's perform at Headcorn a few years back I knew we at least had one set-up that could work effectively and fast!]. However, it is good when there are two or more options when we need equipment and tools. Your 'man' Victor seems to be a real 'gen' guy.
Like you I have spent some good time today in the workshop and might get round to putting my catch up work on my 'thread' later.
Keep up the good work, there are so many MbD Shannons being built, maybe a few other folk could show us their progress on one of our pages here?
Kim
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 02, 2019, 11:23:42 pm
Kim I am not even past page 13 of your thread and I can honestly say I will be!/would be struggling without your exceptionally helpful guide.
I believe Victor will come up trumps with the rest of the parts that will make life so much easier for MBD builders.
I expect I will be the first to receive parts as they become available from OceanWorks and I plan to have the hull up and running at the earliest opportunity.
 I already had motors in stock Turnigy SK3 1250KV and from experience with the 1185KV in my other Shannon I know these may be a bit too lively unless I drop to 3S batteries perhaps.
I also already have 50 amp Turnigy Marine ESC's and I know again from experience that these motors don't even reach half their max current at full speed as I was unable to blow 25amp fuses.


I need to get some T bar tomorrow  O0
Cheers Andy
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 03, 2019, 01:02:14 pm
My local over the road Ironmongers is real cheap. 2metres of T bar was £6.32  :-) 
This is what they had
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-dhcmvcw/0/bf4d57f8/XL/CF216F2B-A982-47F8-93F2-A2BFAA0A8DFB-XL.jpg)


So using Kim's help here
https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,54069.msg572872.html#msg572872 (https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,54069.msg572872.html#msg572872)


I've fitted the first of three support spars being careful to maintain the width of the stern corners 345mm on mine
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-QcXgMG6/0/7e1c2158/X3/C6298893-48C8-490B-A21A-16B7B0C8811F-X3.jpg)


However initially it felt a bit too flimsy for my liking so I've bolstered with 50mm of angle using 5 minute epoxy. I had 3mm countersunk screws in stock so used these.


Abrade glued surfaces with course grit
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-BLjgDNT/0/5704d627/XL/916A7CE4-D3BF-42A6-9ACD-BB0C1C5CE902-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-MqHB6WW/0/81992f3c/X3/57D60143-4578-48AC-943C-8DF878E36EE8-X3.jpg)


I made note that Kim said the stern has the required camber and if you eye up from behind you can see the required curve. I will put something in the centre at suitable height and bend a length of styrene across the beam to use as a guide for a pencil line

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-ZcDXMLL/0/166c5ab7/X4/DBE86F4C-4DFE-4695-A8E2-172243216CD1-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 03, 2019, 01:28:34 pm
I love a bit of improv.
Here I've used a scrap of 6mm paxolin clamped central and level with the hull sides
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-444JmN8/0/9aeb4ad8/X3/7FAB3B19-0FF9-4C2A-AA1B-242412A87758-X3.jpg)


Then laid a 1 metre rule across to copy the stern profile. Rather than deduct the thickness of the rule and pen I will cut to this profile and shim the stretcher down to the right height if necessary


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-rHSVmbz/0/dbaac141/X3/62E04B51-B00C-456E-BA69-57399F4657ED-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-rLk3Lk6/0/842686a8/X3/C0126317-849C-4510-85A9-EAD312A5BBE7-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 03, 2019, 07:27:06 pm
Nearly finished the stretchers, pictures later.


This is the 20mm nozzle and bucket for my 28mm drives
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49948325_2049715698442717_2729260766656987136_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_oc=AQlTcVz8cqrO0tC4BGzjIEDZrVxssEM8Q69RfQdLufj_l9p-vteQc6jOoG-zuzpISrQ&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr3-1.xx&oh=b2faae00501d74ed22e5b4abc945628c&oe=5DE4C972)


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Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Pragmatist on August 03, 2019, 07:48:51 pm
Received my Models by design Shannon last week. Just wondering what is the very first step of the build?
Thanks,
Matt

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 03, 2019, 08:08:11 pm
I recommend you read Canterbury Coxwain's thread.
Personally I generally start with the running gear and if you go back in my thread you will see the order I do things myself.
I'm doing this live for the first time but saving time thanks to Kim's thread


Stretchers all fitted and shaped. The addition of shims between the fixings also means the T section is deeper and thus proportionally more rigid. The deck fits very well and I'll be screwing it down and trimming around next.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-4J4FLRm/0/12a4de3e/X4/AB14A872-7309-40BF-8AEF-0FAA6222DF99-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-mw2btgz/0/9abec5b8/X4/72FF6836-F239-4061-965E-73E3149EB52D-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-GRPpHXJ/0/3d448699/X4/0E7253E3-CA88-4099-9226-15C4E70096F2-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 03, 2019, 10:14:42 pm
Very productive day
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-VQpZ9p6/0/cae61de6/X3/EB8D3C01-5E14-4979-9F1A-C25B099A02A6-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-b8Qv975/0/b4a0803f/X3/72772389-E17F-4032-8E8B-E0D90CA5D53E-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 04, 2019, 12:29:56 pm
Quick job with the right tool. Finish off by hand file.
Donor material for stern hatch provided.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-bhQmjPP/0/ca6384b2/X3/46DB1DB3-E658-4C84-B0CD-C83206EEAD83-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 04, 2019, 02:36:24 pm
I see many parts in the MBD kit are a direct result of your meticulous work KIM  8)  So another big thank you.
Much of what I've read in your much earlier posts is rendered unnecessary to todays builder and very much saving time  :-) .
P.S. I've asked Chris what he does about stern access
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 04, 2019, 03:55:40 pm
Tidied up
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-ppGzFkz/0/1863d7d5/X3/8F0A4E42-86DA-4196-9059-9C62992F06C0-X3.jpg)


Cabin now follows the deck
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-D333HwP/0/53a4e6d9/X3/D1E51C74-B9B2-4923-9D77-5FD359598C3A-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-mFmPkKk/0/1851ae21/X3/812BC7E2-480B-45EA-A9B7-E9EF93599290-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-C8kNrZH/0/0afe1ca0/X3/609E6FCC-77EB-4A69-A128-4B27A260D078-X3.jpg)


To be the third musketeer I'm also modifying the cabin front.  :-))


I'll cut to this side of the line and glue the offcut underneath flush to the edge before glassing in


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-FxjcQfT/0/3b3a9f71/X3/041377CD-1B82-440F-9832-5AE6ECCED3B2-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 04, 2019, 08:14:15 pm
Easy job
Glassed inside
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-p7Wjjfq/0/5fa52b34/X3/C81C2D08-1C61-4B78-968E-B7553C0D846F-X3.jpg)


Ready for filler outside. Soon look like nothing happened
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-GRQ9ZF8/0/595440ec/X3/0C71BFC0-5601-4F50-8CA4-C119681CA0C0-X3.jpg)

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 04, 2019, 08:55:35 pm
A note for Kim & Arno.
I've never seen anyone notice this or report of doing anything to correct it?




If you draw the outline of the cabin when in the correct place and shaped to the deck. The cabin side walls have a mind of their own especially the starboard side here (left of the picture) I plan to fit an aluminium strip to both sides with bends where required.


EDIT its actually the right of picture that needs a kick imposing on it 


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-P7Hj2kC/0/bddca72c/X4/382E8D12-6E52-4231-A48C-63B8C278EF2F-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 04, 2019, 09:28:52 pm
These are the critical points, I've fitted paxolin spacers and I will need more at the corners to prevent twisting.
A consequence of this is my beautifully contoured cabin needs more taking off to make up for the gap I now have at that point on the right
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-9xfFx4L/0/06c02e19/X3/2D9C354E-90FF-4F24-9262-3014C3770339-X3.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-RL9WgDt/0/230a6a5f/X3/1E436624-4A1C-4F13-9592-85D8D9E3173F-X3.jpg)


EDIT I had spare to play with as was still a little high on this side  :-))



Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 05, 2019, 11:14:12 am
Andy makes a good point here - when progressing at these points of a build it is definitely 'gently, gently catchy monkey'! In other words, a little at a time and always keep an open mind on the way forward you have chosen - the build is 'organic'. Believe me, I have taught Project Management up and down the country for the Cabinet Office in virtually every Government department -
As for the the sides of the wheelhouse I have not got a problem with my one. That said, there are many ways to rectify this and even add some strength to the lower edge, just to make it more robust for the countless times it will taken off and on. There is even the chance to to add the little 'meniscus' joint to the deck surface, just like the real boat..................hmmm %% 
Kim [C.C.]



Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 05, 2019, 01:38:20 pm
As I see it the only way to stop the cabin being able to slide about is to prevent it mechanically


My first step solution is blocks of Paxolin which CA's in place easily and is waterproof and paintable


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-bdC9nbH/0/0ae8da38/X4/53571210-95B8-4900-8E24-6AEA4482B4ED-X4.jpg)


Now I can continue with filler then grind of the hatch


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-wq3Pjxf/0/e7e47b23/X3/1BD21DDC-9E2A-4EAC-ADFA-194BE2DA54EA-X3.jpg)


A meniscus is a good idea  :-)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-ncgCpd9/0/1ae4fc9e/X3/75552562-AB01-49F4-A03F-043200E5A645-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 05, 2019, 05:17:56 pm
I've gone on another tack for the hatch
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-jdkKPGg/0/039179cc/X3/7366B74D-BBFA-4282-A098-7EEF682B2682-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-K5xfVZQ/0/c3015a3c/X3/FF8C47D5-0449-4FF9-B84B-6C22507DBB41-X3.jpg)
Being very careful to make sure the Gel coats are level across the gaps
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-4PrjDT5/0/5cd6e43f/X3/87A646C3-D3F8-467A-BDB6-B5AD08B6F52B-X3.jpg)

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon. Cheap stand for transport display and building
Post by: Taranis on August 07, 2019, 03:42:23 pm
A good time to show pictures of the stand I copied from a friend MOXCY
40mm solvent weld waste pipe. I screwed some pieces rather than stuck so I can dismantle to replace the foam.


The T fitting is not equal so it's necessary to glue it inserted just far enough that you can maintain 90 degrees


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-dqLmhsP/1/7298f5f0/X3/73A3E279-CB46-4E40-9601-B613EDDA2D06-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-F3sDvPq/1/6511574a/X3/EEC1C8D4-DF12-4A42-B7A9-44AC5A48D80F-X3.jpg)

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 07, 2019, 09:56:23 pm
After much agonising and corrective work I've come up with my personal set of stanchion locations. I'm sure these will vary from modeller to modeller with each of their own interpretations


The stanchions could act as fixings for the deck for those thinking of keeping it removable for refurbishment.

EDIT. The rear stretcher has been moved from Kim's 10.5" to 11.25"
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-BXv3pn9/0/be35cc5d/X4/7C132878-42D2-4EE8-8788-01822EC1CE41-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-JhdwRSR/0/cec5be19/X3/327F0361-E73E-4C31-9943-D37A7DB362DF-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 08, 2019, 08:45:09 pm
A few bits done today including my first ever 3D structure from styrene  {-)  from little acorns grow!


The life raft housing.
I've used Deluxe material fusion adhesive to bond it to the GRP


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-cRn4HmJ/0/d95fd044/X3/365DCBA6-6B98-4BEE-857C-0D03046C5E9F-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Hgf8dsM/0/eb75284b/X3/E3B19948-B485-40F1-8F20-012BDD80EBC4-X3.jpg)


Admiral putty to finish off  ready for final primer
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-5x9WZL4/0/06274ea1/X3/A0BCAF22-BDF8-41A4-BC2A-9DCE628901FC-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-brtW2mG/0/e3192212/X3/637F5ED9-6441-41C0-B481-E9BEC76AAEC3-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: me3 on August 08, 2019, 09:10:11 pm
Hi, Fantastic build as usual!
I have a bit of a controversial question - not looking to cause trouble - but as you have both the speedline and MBD shannons, which is more accurately made in terms of hull and superstructure shape etc or are they both fairly similar?
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: RST on August 08, 2019, 09:16:54 pm
...what's "admiral putty" out of interest also please?  Google was no help.


Rich
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 08, 2019, 09:17:36 pm
That's a very difficult question. They are definitely different sizes. Both very good on their own I would say with positives and negatives evenly distributed betwixt. The only obvious thing to me that stands out on the Speedline is the top spray bar stops too short. I really like the completely removable deck. The MBD is so far as expected and will be challenging having to conjure stuff up  {-)  there lies the fun


Thanks  :-)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 08, 2019, 09:19:54 pm
...what's "admiral putty" out of interest also please?  Google was no help.


Rich
Caught me out there  {-)   Squadron putty  O0
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: me3 on August 08, 2019, 09:22:42 pm
That's a very difficult question. They are definitely different sizes. Both very good on their own I would say with positives and negatives evenly distributed betwixt. The only obvious thing to me that stands out on the Speedline is the top spray bar stops too short. I really like the completely removable deck. The MBD is so far as expected and will be challenging having to conjure stuff up  {-)  there lies the fun


Thanks  :-)

Interesting - I thought that would be the case! Enjoy the build, I will be watching with interest!
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 08, 2019, 09:31:11 pm
Regarding the life raft housing. I've not filed the opening out to the top line on the moulding as I think it is too near the top edge. The Diamond shaped fitting for the safety line anchorage has to fit between at a later point. I have made the back box full size so I can file the top line further up if needs be whenever. Of course I've had to fill the front face too
If you look at the picture further back before cutting you may see what I mean

Roughly indicated

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-gKZkJtb/0/397615ff/L/D976B00D-00BE-433A-8DE3-102063E0D580-L.jpg)


EDIT
Comparison
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-4XSWDtv/0/ee64b6ad/X4/i-4XSWDtv-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: RST on August 08, 2019, 09:56:40 pm

(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-4XSWDtv/0/ee64b6ad/X4/i-4XSWDtv-X4.jpg)

....It's just not a "pretty" boat by any means is it!  Such is the way with Naval Architecture now.


LoL on the "Squadron".  Reminds me we used to work with lots of ex-military guys offshore, they all had ranks that continued affectionately "if" earned offshore, nobody earned "Admiral" but we had some "Napoleons" LoL.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 08, 2019, 09:58:31 pm
Must be Marmite I love the boat completely especially sailing her  :-)
I'm supposed to be finishing her but the MBD has taken over for now
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-Sn4NQGS/0/4391cb11/X5/i-Sn4NQGS-X5.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: alan44 on August 08, 2019, 10:09:19 pm
Looking good Andy. I'm getting back to my Shannon now.
My builds been static for 12 months  {:-{
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 08, 2019, 10:13:52 pm
Looking good Andy. I'm getting back to my Shannon now.
My builds been static for 12 months  {:-{


Heck I thought yours would be finished by now  %%  but I know life gets in the way and I'm a prime example but retirement is helping and I do have two boats with "practical completion"  {-)  even if they don't have lights  ;D


Please give us some pictures when you can! so we know what's achievable   :-)) 
P.S. You can email me some if you like and I'll post them up  :-)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 08, 2019, 11:27:38 pm
For those starting out full of questions I thought it might be helpful to discuss brass rod.
For the big stuff i.e. the bow and stern railings I use 1/8 or 3.18mm some other builders use 3.5mm
For the grab rails etc I use 2.7mm and I donít know that others use different
The only smaller rod is the grab rails on the bow and Iíd suggest 2mm
For the stanchions I also use 3.18mm but this will accept a serviceable 3.5mm thread so my stanchions are fastened to the deck with nuts


Nothing is set in stone so do what you feel is right.


If I really get stuck in I might manage 2 stanchions per day as a guide so don't think its a race. Take your time and if its not right recycle it.


Some use styrene instead but that's not my choice
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-mDXF6ZR/1/dc0506cf/X4/i-mDXF6ZR-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Pragmatist on August 09, 2019, 07:36:52 am
Absolutely love that colour on the Shannon. How on earth do you make those stanchions and railings? That's some serious modelling.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 09, 2019, 09:45:26 am
Hi Marty thanks
The colour is mainly primer. I only assembled it temporarily to sail her at Wicksteed park Mayhem meet.
I'll do my best as I progress to illustrate how I make the railings and stanchions



As this is slow motion I find it best played at maximum speed. Credit to Martin  8)
https://youtu.be/Llumyx-vWnA (https://youtu.be/Llumyx-vWnA)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 09, 2019, 11:49:45 pm
For those who want to invest more into their build you can rev up standard supplied parts with luxury bits quite easily.
Many including myself buy bolts of various sizes from this company in Germany
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-x2xDfCV/0/5d70aa19/X3/6921693A-55BD-4708-9EDC-9E9668026787-X3.jpg)


This towing bollard is an ideal example. Cut off the cast heads and remark to drill with one of these Archimedes drills
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-5xKSJcq/0/11ce771d/X3/D43D5DA3-EBFF-4C7B-BE08-061EF0599565-X3.jpg)


I've tapped these 1.6mm and fitted the bolts for the photo
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-gtZwzxX/0/e218be13/X3/B488C3FA-BDBD-493E-B0C4-5921907B372C-X3.jpg)


When finally painted black they really stand out as extra detail


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-6t226MJ/0/258b18ff/X3/722DD78E-2397-45C1-AA7D-718FC35691D1-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: ChrisH1981 on August 10, 2019, 10:36:09 am
Morning Andy, Watching your MBD Shannon build with interest!! :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: mrzippy on August 10, 2019, 11:06:21 am
Hi Andy,

Good to see you're soldiering on with your builds -
you'll need to buy shares in a plastic cement manufacturer when you start Maggie M !

Thought about enquiring when you flagged up your nice looking Expo Archimedes on Portgarth build -
is it ok? certainly looks good quality - reason for asking -
I've bought various El'cheapo Archimedes over the years and been disappointed with the inaccuracy of the centering,
wobbly etc - end up using my trusty pin vice (but it's hard work and slow if you have lots of holes to make).

I'm following all the Shannon builds with great interest (will build one myself one day),
you have my sympathies with the rear access hatch problem - I cannot see an obvious answer,
but beginning to appreciate the method in Adrians madness with the lift off deck !

Wondering - are the existing moulded hatches (even if they could be made operational - a tricky job)
in the correct position above to allow access to the gubbins below ?  Guessing not ??

How about a complete lift off rear deck section a la Speedline -
loose the bulk of join line under the back of the cabin, you'll have an obvious join line on the port side deck,
loose the other join line through the side hatch on the starboard deck,
whole of the back deck lifts off !

Now is this a possibility? does it gain any advantage??  is it dooable??? etc etc I know not,
a bit of outside the box thinking - chuck one in the mix might spark an idea.

regards Paul
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 10, 2019, 01:58:46 pm
Hi Chris in Birmigham  :-)


Hi Paul
The rear hatches don't need to work so long as I can remove them (magnets)
I don't think the whole rear deck could be made to work with the fenders. For now I'm doing nothing until Victor comes up with the goods, until I have the parts fitted I don't know exactly where I need to get a screwdriver or Allen key.
I have always liked the removable deck and it was a major selling point but I would not want the MBD to be the same, or there would be no interest for me in building this and there are other advantages to a removable cabin. I would like to have seen Andy's windows in the Speedline a much better affair IMHO.
I find the hand drill to be fine  :-)


Thanks for your ideas


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-PKWPLJt/0/cd23b0b5/X3/12EDCE52-5885-4DC2-BA5A-5247792177A5-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-mVbSrz7/0/45e952a6/X3/124F040A-1AD1-4367-877C-14E9842B26BD-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 10, 2019, 05:21:45 pm
I doubt this is the full solution but it will help
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-PM4qfnQ/1/204e9e77/X2/92E46C04-413F-4DB9-B3A2-4309272D4D3C-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: mrzippy on August 11, 2019, 10:35:44 am
Hi Andy,
One Expo Archimedes duly ordered thanks for the heads up,
thought of another idea re Shannon, admittedly first suggestion was rather OTT - but hey from small acorns.

Would a hidden hatch in the deck, underneath the overhanging (helms position) part of the cabin,
to the rear of the main hatch opening,  be of help ?
Benefits - no visible cuts in the deck, all hidden under the rear cabin projection, appreciate what your saying about waiting for
Victor but its fun to bounce ideas around and have the wrinkles ironed out for when/if I get around to building one myself.

Problem with that is - one large Canadian Logging Tug to finish !
and that's only after building a new bigger workshop - the space needed to build another project that's ongoing
1/6 Atlantic 85 RNLI RIB - 4 Action Men, working brushless outboards etc. Paul




Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 11, 2019, 11:59:07 am
Hi Andy,
All seems to be progressing well. I know a lot of folk are following this thread with great interest, so would just like to 'throw into the ring' another source of screws, bolts and washers that I have been using for almost 20 years in the building of my lifeboats - EKP Supplies, Nr. Barnstaple in North Devon, who make a lot of quality products for the steam model builders. Like you, I use a lot of Knupfer products, mainly their stainless steel very small sized bolts, nuts and washers. They certainly help to 'detail' a model. However, EKP will do the larger numbers and also in brass, which can either be plated - using one of the nickel adhesion processes [which I know 1709 has done to great effect recently] or else spraying [likewise with 17-09]. This works out a lot cheaper, especially when one has an engine access hatch to detail with either 110 or 220 bolts!! Also, if they are going to be covered in anti-slip paint [like on the Trent], then brass is good enough. They also made me to order, many years ago now, 1,000 brass 14BA bolts with a 12BA thread [this did not strip the thread in the tapped hole so easily] and these have been used on my Trent and some other areas of other lifeboats. However, made to order they did cost well over £200! - just don't mention those to my wife, and yes, I did not charge this item to the 'house keeping' account. Going back to your approach, I would always use the Knupfer stainless for safety snap-lines fixtures, pulpit and aerial fixings [etc.,.], they do give a great appearance and are less likely to rust.
[added with Andy's 'thumbs up OK']
Canterbury Coxswain
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: ChrisH1981 on August 11, 2019, 07:23:09 pm
Hi kim just to say I have also been following your build thread of 13-02 Dungeness with intent and always look forward to yours and Andys progress updates, please keep adding to the threads, even in years to come, this info will be invaluable  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 12, 2019, 04:52:43 pm
Thank you for the comments and suggestions.
Slow progress
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-4bqs7S2/0/322efb92/X3/899CBE4A-4E99-4150-9273-C1338177DF3F-X3.jpg)


Here I want to point out a small problem that is best sorted sooner rather than later as it may affect the windscreen at a much later date.
View these images as they say more than words


Port view
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-srFPMBZ/0/623b38d4/X3/C3D1A6CE-D6A9-464D-9573-4308B6F79495-X3.jpg)


Starboard
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-KSKZQ6q/0/1f39072c/X3/F238DE56-5488-465B-A8B1-B2CEF6C4F2FC-X3.jpg)


My first though was that the engine removal panel was very skewed BUT on further inspection it is only very slightly!
Viewed from above here please compare A and B and you can see that at A it is much narrower.
So my thinking is to fill this out with Upol and reshape the angles
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-CKfxTHm/0/7be8e768/X3/C849CF28-5DC3-46BE-ABDA-58EB79296DE5-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-pXSmGk3/0/aefe4fa2/X3/C865CB69-3630-4FB4-B053-BC92228903CA-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-kpKnVWg/0/0f8cbbea/X3/253114CE-4EA7-492C-A2BC-A260DBB36B12-X3.jpg)


I hope I have explained this clearly and that only a small amount of effort will make a considerable difference


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-d7H5Gfn/0/a266dd92/X3/7DD6B025-E9FE-404E-AF44-8873B2BB51B1-X3.jpg)


I have a TIP here too
When using Upol P38 etc don't wait for it to fully harden before shaping it. I find that as it starts to go firm it will shape very nicely with a scalpel to remove the unwanted bulk to make sanding a minimum when fully hard.


Surely better yes?
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-f6Zx3p8/0/b3bb91dc/X3/528D79E0-5CB1-4EF6-9AD9-5D846944DB2F-X3.jpg)


I've been using this over a year now. I was recommended to me by Stavros and I'm still on the first tin


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-qkKsFg6/0/3f568b08/X3/2517A26F-A918-41C4-9E67-C3349F2B6E34-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 12, 2019, 05:19:22 pm
Another TIP


Look at the cabin earlier and see how the gel coat is very wavy along the side on a line below the windows.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-RL9WgDt/0/230a6a5f/X4/1E436624-4A1C-4F13-9592-85D8D9E3173F-X4.jpg)


This is very easy to equalise make straight and more defined.
Simply run a straight length of decorators masking tape above or below where you think the line should be.
With a small sanding block and medium grit paper sand the gel coat flat to the line.
Then transfer masking tape to the other side of the line and repeat.
Don't overdo it! just enough to achieve this


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-3LH2GbX/0/333ac388/X5/39D0A6EE-2A60-4CA8-94A5-EB0DE1A69CC8-X5.jpg)

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 12, 2019, 06:08:33 pm
I'm now studying Kim's instructions for the bridge ready to do mine
https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,54069.msg606836.html#msg606836 (https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,54069.msg606836.html#msg606836)


You must read this for many pages to pick up on the changes !
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Mark T on August 12, 2019, 06:52:33 pm
Great attention to detail and the build looks amazing  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 12, 2019, 09:20:43 pm
Thanks Mark


It's a long read is Kim's thread but it's clear that much of where I'm reading from is superseded later on.
So just for now until I get my head around it I've damed off the bottom of the rear wall and partially filled with 30 minute resin. I'll reduce these parts to a suitable finished thickness tomorrow.
It's clear that all the parts we are dealing with are a result of Kim's work saving us a huge personal effort  :-))


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-QR3pdN3/0/74bb97c1/X3/86E37A7B-1D5A-4305-8000-3AABD8441352-X3.jpg)


The bollards are now treated and the bolts cut off flush and sanded. Held in place by a single M4 socket screw each


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-FZHtT2C/0/2d5c3989/X3/C03433B6-261F-4904-9A58-24B32A7DB42A-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-4PwChWH/0/d0fcf990/X3/A2422E5F-7518-4A16-B615-3E945A352017-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 13, 2019, 10:23:36 am
Well you really must read or at the very least look at all the pictures that give an insight into real scratch building. What we get with our kits now is a direct result of Kim's endeavour.
For now I will direct you to this point that is the culmination of all the pages since the previous link I posted


https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,54069.msg613499.html#msg613499
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 13, 2019, 06:38:15 pm
Victor has messaged me to say my nozzles and buckets will be here this week  8)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 13, 2019, 08:57:54 pm
This evening I've done a few jobs
Firstly the rear cabin walls I've reduced to 5mm thickness, fortunately I had not overfilled with resin so filing was not a long job after marking out


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-2Zb2pwZ/0/c369194e/X3/76F278BD-C6B8-49D6-9966-90F0C8C0F9F6-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-dfrMW8P/0/3ff5e40a/X3/32E18D23-919B-4C5C-94EE-B77091823CEA-X3.jpg)


I've fixed these two parts together with 2mm machine screws. At the moment I feel pretty sure that this resin panel will be short of the deck
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Rppw4DX/0/acd7c05e/X3/89AF8755-E56B-4D04-B0DA-C79C7098D32A-X3.jpg)


Checking they are level
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-SR4v2Kr/0/4af5f33e/X3/E7517766-FD0E-49E5-BF64-DA5A9491815F-X3.jpg)


Also I've cut out as much as I dare for now


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-DXFN69D/0/ad3e9322/X3/2310C17B-CEDF-4532-8D16-131E673E64EA-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-663JDH5/0/4f9be123/X3/28A8CE44-5B42-4A15-BA11-E26916BF9814-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-pwvRdwJ/0/109d8bfb/X3/D452E75B-C069-478B-ADC5-C519747D8399-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 14, 2019, 10:07:02 am
Last night I found an issue with the bridge wall Angles where the windscreen goes effectively.
Kim has confirmed my findings and it is easy to fix.
Just cut off the port side uprights, fit in place and mark the angle of the channel in relation to the cabin with the intention of adding a new upright to the outer edge rather than back on top.
Sand off all trace off where you cut off the originals before gluing the new pieces to the side


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-R9LsTjX/0/02cdd3bd/X3/4B8BE6EB-0284-4FF2-8DAC-7D1EC71DA151-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 14, 2019, 10:10:06 am
Winging their way to me from OceanWorks  :-))


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-SgjqS6T/0/92dc63b1/X3/65E44CA9-D5BE-4280-8EE4-B5124EBAE30A-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-zpxnD2J/0/2f81d525/X3/26652253-9DA2-4F01-B7DE-992E44C9EDF6-X3.png)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 14, 2019, 12:20:32 pm
If you weren't aware?
Kim does a photo CD full of Shannon details, all proceeds to RNLI £7.50 delivered  :-))

Gate insert NOT included  8)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-36XCpRP/0/790ac138/X3/34384FDD-5310-44E0-AFE6-2A390BF41712-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 14, 2019, 04:40:36 pm
Today I started by glueing the floor to the bulkhead but NOT to the side wall that is still fixed with screws


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-bkkBSwc/0/3a5dbef4/X3/FD5C7842-8CF8-4826-A9E7-13C49E97C911-X3.jpg)


Then I fitted a reinforcing strip, pictured here much later than I did this. Fixed with 5min epoxy it also supports the floor so essential to keep it flush with the top edge


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-rCpgpG7/0/06a2bbb6/X3/87F08FF2-63E0-476D-BD25-90D777926767-X3.jpg)


I fixed it all in place before marking and drilling for screws again as a temporary assembly


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Qg7z7vc/0/20c85401/X3/FB19A9C8-D0BF-4592-A687-B44B29DC7BD7-X3.jpg)


I wasn't happy with the hasty fix I did last night so did it again
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-JqkSXb9/0/f48bf2e6/X4/36A5DAFF-CF04-4666-AE32-BA79ABCF3497-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 14, 2019, 04:43:58 pm
Now The bulked is contoured to the deck but as I thought there is a significant gap under the side wall


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-ZcDKwxZ/0/8717a1d5/X3/6FC21018-0238-4F5C-A38F-1BCE36039AFD-X3.jpg)


I am at 140mm here same as Speedline and I don't think shaving a couple of mm off will help so I need to fill the gap


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-7qzHqnF/0/8d911492/X3/BD3EC062-BA62-40C9-9BB9-8A0009D047B7-X3.jpg)


This looks almost good enough to fit details straight on
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-mZnr8vD/0/c0bffc62/X3/E0DDD23D-8972-4803-9B3A-88AF07165B5A-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 14, 2019, 05:16:53 pm
Winging their way to me from OceanWorks  :-))


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-SgjqS6T/0/92dc63b1/X3/65E44CA9-D5BE-4280-8EE4-B5124EBAE30A-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-zpxnD2J/0/2f81d525/X3/26652253-9DA2-4F01-B7DE-992E44C9EDF6-X3.png)


I have just noticed having had a closer look that Victor has also done something else I suggested hope?




The buckets can be left hand or right hand unlike the speed line offering. This gives you and me the option of symmetry.


Previously the port drive had bucket and trim tab rods on opposing sides BUT on the starboard drive they are both on the right side making it look congested.



Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 14, 2019, 05:30:21 pm
It transpires that my kit should have included the rear telecoms mast wall as a resin casting. I did not have this part but I think it has worked out OK
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 14, 2019, 05:37:27 pm
It certainly has Andy and this build is inspiring me to get all the 'chores' [never ending] out of the way and back to serious days of building!
Thanks,
Kim
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 14, 2019, 05:41:12 pm
Good because we need you to make all the other bits  O0
Thanks Kim :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 16, 2019, 12:38:56 pm
Very slow going with many adjustments
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-gz7p4MW/0/1dda45df/X3/5302B124-AE23-4B04-B5F7-68BBC39BA20C-X3.jpg)


Side wall extended down to the deck
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-FQxfGFW/0/5edfd0ed/X3/17F7751B-303F-4430-843D-32540ADB95AB-X3.jpg)


I've also fitted a fourth aluminium stretcher across below the very rear edge of the cabin.


All the while not gluing anything that will prevent dismantling as consideration must be made as to how this will all be painted and to the extra details that will be added requiring access with a drill etc


The desired end result all needs careful planning
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-JHPRLwG/0/2957d3b3/X4/D809E92A-97F5-499E-BDD3-C45EF1724F97-X4.jpg)



The suggestion by Paul earlier of a deck hatch below the cabin rear is very likely the route I'll be taking


Meanwhile planning ahead for the arrival of the new jet drive parts I'm looking at the trim tab servos and I'm pretty sure that once installed I will be able to replace one with just two screws accessible through the rear hatches


This is a strip of GRP copper sheet that will do to mount the servos and the right hand one has the brackets I'll use  https://wheelspinmodels.co.uk/i/302952/?gclid=CjwKCAjwqNnqBRATEiwAkHm2BGvs4oZHUWoh_CzdYxXiZy-OfUUF3UfQEBXXasD_Xt2eujPfRstz6hoC_wgQAvD_BwE(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-bB3r6qp/0/ca82b06f/X4/B8B352DE-D96D-4973-AAE6-6802AE1B2F66-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 16, 2019, 12:42:29 pm
This is one of the servos I use pictured or the 339 if not available. SIX are required


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-sPBXDmZ/0/88dad8fe/X2/D2CB5C51-B89D-4076-9B0F-AAA8E79A53D5-X2.jpg)


Size comparison with full size servo


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-hGqmLQk/0/4483084c/X2/856B7D79-2C3A-4F7D-993C-999C6C4E117D-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 16, 2019, 03:33:44 pm
I've mounted one to see how practical it is and I'm satisfied that the removal screws will be easily accessible


The GRP sheet taps very easily and I've used 3mm button head screws


Approx position below deck and this can equally apply to other trim tab options
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-DMqBrtz/0/721f7773/X3/AC0F415A-06FE-4336-AE79-CC05575A2827-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-D9Tb4PB/0/dc15f916/X3/85444EC1-DE95-4739-8AF5-F0E0381E5DEF-X3.jpg)


The servo clamps are designed for full size servos but easy to modify with a chisel scalpel blade






EDIT plus 1
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-KH56DSG/0/38cb907b/X3/A74AFB5D-5FE7-49AA-83B3-3914F7328E9B-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 16, 2019, 05:10:11 pm
Having considered my earlier point that this upper control position needs to be removable for detailing I thought an example of the lengths I'm going to to enable the main bulkhead to be removable right to the end before final fix and final paint might be helpful.


These are port side photos
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Svn7BhW/0/3f7e47ea/X3/6F5614A5-EF96-49CD-960F-423E190EEB5B-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-drXKX3H/0/17e6d755/X3/BEB9494A-ECAF-4062-947F-3A3FB33DE68C-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-zPq3QMX/0/52a7b6be/X3/91741E93-541F-4781-AB9D-FF320F93FCC0-X3.jpg)


Dry fit first
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-4ws6qq7/0/2378537e/X3/196757D5-F427-4D23-899F-351A813BAF8E-X3.jpg)


Epoxy and styrene cement as appropriate but not glued to bulkhead
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Lr7XK5F/0/d4310104/X3/D55E0534-1F63-4223-9EFD-A70FF240F4BB-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-dmT75XP/0/db477962/X3/E728AAD7-057E-42CD-8D0B-EB4A3224002B-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Lr7XK5F/0/d4310104/X3/D55E0534-1F63-4223-9EFD-A70FF240F4BB-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-2nh74zV/0/614a92bb/X3/97DD8966-15BC-4DDF-8225-3D74E16A0F17-X3.jpg)


The top of the wall here will be shaped as a second operation
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 16, 2019, 05:26:23 pm
Voila


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-bgPGLXL/0/cb15977f/X4/494B25D2-2484-466D-8207-130B355095B3-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: dpbarry on August 16, 2019, 06:48:21 pm
 {-) {-) 


Well, iíve one of Kimís gates. Gathering stuff up nicely. Popcorn out watching both builds unfold.


 :-))


Good because we need you to make all the other bits  O0
Thanks Kim :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 16, 2019, 06:59:27 pm
A taster to wet the lips
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-6h3F9Hx/0/b5e6117d/X3/6BFC5EF7-E356-4EB9-B045-5C17945C1EBD-X3.png)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 16, 2019, 07:22:57 pm
I have just heard tonight that the drives are on sale now and Andy Griggs too has ordered a pair for testing  :-))
I believe the price is what I paid before all the additional upgrades so a real bargain
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: dpbarry on August 16, 2019, 07:36:10 pm
H Andy.


Which one did you actually order?


Declan


I have just heard tonight that the drives are on sale now and Andy Griggs too has ordered a pair for testing  :-))
I believe the price is what I paid before all the additional upgrades so a real bargain
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 16, 2019, 07:40:12 pm
I doubt what I ordered is on the menu
You want 28mm as pictured above
With or without motors
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 16, 2019, 08:26:57 pm
Going back a few posts to continue finishing off the top of this cabin wall
The resin casting fitted very nicely having used thick styrene for the backing the angle was coincidentally spot on
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-SFL3G5g/0/dcb10e7b/X3/03D55F08-9FBA-4BC7-BED4-39170294FF7D-X3.jpg)


I've not done this before but imagined it would work.
I shuttered off the shape with wood covered in that waxy Tamiya masking tape.
Set everything at a suitable angle with weights
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-fDWQJjJ/0/bcc1491e/X3/A7CA0AFE-5E1D-4B67-9F71-57FBF1A4B657-X3.jpg)


Mixed enough Hobby King cheap as chips 5 min epoxy and dripped in off a stick
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-bTgnhtx/0/a62c9f5b/X3/52529B07-2C29-4246-8C1D-777B8865755A-X3.jpg)


Tomorrow I'll remove the shuttering and sand to shape I hope


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Twgv5FB/0/5d9ef7fa/X3/CB2411DB-923B-4428-96AE-F2EBC57E6969-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 16, 2019, 08:30:30 pm
H Andy.


Which one did you actually order?


Declan


Bear in mind this is in dollars. I think that is seriously cheap even if unlucky to get import tax
https://www.oceanworkscale.com/product/28mm-rc-boat-water-jet-with-mjp-reverse-bucket-without-motor/ (https://www.oceanworkscale.com/product/28mm-rc-boat-water-jet-with-mjp-reverse-bucket-without-motor/)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 16, 2019, 10:38:17 pm
A bit more loving and this will be threatened with a lashing of Belcher grey  :-))


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-fQwDcpN/0/b5e818c5/X4/E231D908-AD74-43EC-9A5B-6B5A2B72973C-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 17, 2019, 10:20:10 am
Yes, use plenty of 'Belcher Grey' and it will keep the Halford's dividend cheques come rolling into the bank account.



Seriously Andy, it's all looking very good and inspirational [I know a few others who might be thinking of starting an MbD Shannon due to your approach to 'scratch building] and there are some nice tips and techniques being used that some of us have not considered. Keep the good work going, I shall be picking up the reigns again on 13-02 - at a leisurely pace though!


You have done a very good job there with those Ocean Works water-jets with Victor, congratulations.


Kim [C.C.]
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 17, 2019, 01:04:50 pm
Kind words Kim and I hope all builders will share any ideas they come up with to produce parts  :-)) 


For delicate small areas I always use Tamiya primer first, it dries quickly and will build up and fill joints.


Here after a second dam and fill of epoxy this now meets the windscreen channel wall sympathetically


Ready to move to starboard side today after I recover from parting with a wad at Leeds model shop  {-)
Also I just bought 10 packs of epoxy from Poundland .......... yes £10  O0


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-FM4vkQx/0/177965eb/X3/185CB676-01BF-43AC-8C86-DB6C38793B43-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-BKvqjXk/0/50123862/X3/B5F5C91E-DEA2-4F71-85E8-9B0648FB38D5-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 17, 2019, 02:34:32 pm
Will need more attention but later
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-9hNKQ3h/0/7bd53468/X3/6F7BA965-F6A0-44BD-A017-B0C1B44C378A-X3.jpg)


I'm also thinking this could be permanently demountable as the joint would be concealed by the windscreen
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-wWsGjnp/0/72f4515a/X3/18808201-EAB6-4B4D-9B7A-45D5540B78D9-X3.jpg)


What worked on the Port side is good enough for starboard


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-NkzS62c/0/35e0c7bc/X3/F52D5B6A-7F7D-4D25-9997-38E24938BB61-X3.jpg)


New shutter
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-s9CTzQB/0/3ec07339/X3/C62EE3F7-FF3B-4834-8475-C249B602267E-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Wm27zQt/0/2f946fd5/X3/76F25B3D-6BFA-40DC-9071-37DEB4145B3F-X3.jpg)


Poundland 5 min resin used to be Tommy Walsh resin
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-LFMJvVP/0/1cebb7af/X3/C3699DFC-33D6-4F9A-92DB-DD405333441A-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 17, 2019, 06:31:49 pm
Multi tasking
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-95QRPtz/0/e9d9d755/X3/59191CED-86FB-463C-968D-F72966A9DEE4-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Xff7cK2/0/6b11c4ed/X3/C8B762A4-054A-44AA-B54C-94258C432CEA-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Zn9GDFW/0/d8edd512/X3/B4F5C4DC-B8E9-4F50-AE5F-C920397EC2AD-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 17, 2019, 09:29:38 pm
I don't think I can bend 6mm bar this tight but I can 5mm and sleeve most of it, by the time the whole thing is done I doubt it will be very noticeable
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-47jCLqz/0/b06cf533/X2/46A58C0E-9CF5-460B-8713-44DD51772F32-X2.jpg)

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 17, 2019, 10:20:49 pm
Occasionally on my path of learning I will try products that are new to me and the job in hand.
£7.45 for those who care  {-)


I want to carefully bring this resin casting parallel to the revised upstand.
Might take 2 or 3 applications as I'm new to this but I'll keep you informed of course.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-NwXs5Tw/0/9661d690/X3/E3F8E8CF-860D-4204-A210-FAC7DE6ADD51-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: coch y bonddu on August 17, 2019, 10:46:22 pm
Andy sorry to say this but that stuff will just not cut the mustard in this application....reason why is simple,that stuff is an air drying product designed for small imperfections and not for a filling job like what you are trying to do.....if I was You i would scrape it off and use some car body filler which is designed for what you are trying to achieve...................Trust me on this one as I do know a thing or 2 about Grp and filler  O0 O0 O0 O0 O0




Dave
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 17, 2019, 10:57:54 pm
I get what you are saying Dave thanks for your input.
My concern is that with the resin (not GRP) being relatively soft I don't want a filler that is harder to sand and risk damage? See how this is tomorrow but if it's a fail what is the best easy sand alternative?
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Mark T on August 17, 2019, 10:59:55 pm
Upol 3 all the way mate -  :-))   It stinks but itís great
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 17, 2019, 11:00:49 pm
Upol 3 all the way mate -  :-))   It stinks but itís great
On soft resin?
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 17, 2019, 11:08:23 pm
Meanwhile as the final panel goes in I'm certain of my intention that the main bulkhead will be easily removable with screws.
I've not paid huge attention to specific angles here as I doubt few people would know what is right or wrong


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-NSfWR7R/0/fe94998b/X3/8F36AD2E-5743-4711-B444-AA583BDCD6C7-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: coch y bonddu on August 17, 2019, 11:09:41 pm
Mark T spot on with your advise great stuff dries quickly and is so so easy and I use it to repair holes in resin parts anyway and I would say it is softer than resin anyway.


Trouble is with the Plastic Putty is that if you put it on thicker than the thickness of paper is that it simply will not dry hard and will possibly shrink leaving unsightly cracks,and not only this but will not fully cure and harden.


This stuff is best used when primer has been applied and you see a scratch but even then I will NOT use it as it has caused me far to many problems in the past,If I see a defect in primer I will always go for a very fine 2 pack stopper.


This is what i Now use all the time as Been recomended by Mark T


 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/U-Pol-EASY-3-Extra-Smooth-Finishing-Filler-1-1-Litre-Tin-was-Top-Stop-Gold/282743683683?hash=item41d4d63a63:g:5vIAAOSwdnZaFVSp (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/U-Pol-EASY-3-Extra-Smooth-Finishing-Filler-1-1-Litre-Tin-was-Top-Stop-Gold/282743683683?hash=item41d4d63a63:g:5vIAAOSwdnZaFVSp)



Dave
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 17, 2019, 11:15:36 pm
Thank you duly noted. Is there a smaller tin  %% {-)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 17, 2019, 11:18:39 pm
NO but bigger available  {-)


ORDERED thank you both  :-))


Where's me scraper  :((
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Mark T on August 17, 2019, 11:29:24 pm
NO but bigger available  {-)


ORDERED thank you both  :-))


Where's me scraper  :((


I know it only comes in massive tins but I only bought 2 tins in over 6 years. Donít worry about the soft resin as it sands so easily I use it on soft wood. I donít think thereís a better filler for what we do 👍
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 17, 2019, 11:37:42 pm
The forum comes up trumps  :-)) :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: coch y bonddu on August 18, 2019, 09:06:58 am
This is the stuff I have been baning on about for years and it used to be top stop....i use this on a daily basis on cars I am not into hard work or rubbing filler ....time is important to us in body shops,I have used this on Balsa wood.....ok you have to be very careful on this wood as it is so so soft but it does the job admirably,the beauty of this product is that you can use it a fill imperfections after priming,not many car fillers can do this without showing after a reprime,I also use this on plastic card as it seems to stick to the plastic without falling off like a lot of fillers.


Yes of course I know it is expensive but Hey ho quality products always are



Andy.....I have a tin of this same size as what I have shown in the link and it is 4 yrs old and it is still usable,Just make SURE 100% you put the lid back on it straight away and it will NOT dry up.


Dave
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 18, 2019, 12:02:09 pm
Andy,
Totally agreeing with what Dave and Mark have said. I will be going down the same path to correct my original fault - sorry! Like wise my tine of UPol is just keeping perfect, just like the similar product I used before that. It's what Andy G. uses too.
Kim
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 18, 2019, 04:57:50 pm
Yes thanks all it is on the way for future.
For now the deluxe Materials putty actually did a good job and doesn't shrink or crack but the thicker it is the longer time to dry.

Meanwhile I've nearly broke the back of the rear cabin assembly. The bulkhead will be held in place with 3x3mm and 5x2mm screws so only a few minutes to dismantle. This obviously makes painting and detailing so much more accessible especially if you forget something and realise later on.
Tasks like texture coating the upper control floor a doddle
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 18, 2019, 10:11:42 pm


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-FGX7BCW/0/8ec6fa54/X2/A6BAF1B9-E65E-4AE1-829D-D0BAB681A790-X2.jpg)


The side wall will eventually be glued to the comms tower support wall and the screws removed and holes filled. For some time to come it's more desirable that I can separate this.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-XggmDxs/0/7bf922cd/X3/5C3AE869-DB73-49B5-940C-845DBA462C0D-X3.jpg)


Shannon builders have a facebook group for all things Shannon of any brand.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/220509768718588/?multi_permalinks=519229205513308&notif_id=1566145876711865&notif_t=feedback_reaction_generic (https://www.facebook.com/groups/220509768718588/?multi_permalinks=519229205513308&notif_id=1566145876711865&notif_t=feedback_reaction_generic)


I expect the Jet drive new parts this week and will use another thread to do a complete fitting guide my way. I say my way because there are always more ways to skin a cat so it is open to do what you like and advise of better options if you have ideas
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 18, 2019, 10:54:51 pm
https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,63576.msg672439/topicseen.html#msg672439
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 19, 2019, 02:12:14 pm
I had so many other things to do yesterday  :((
However I did get a bit done to a point that it all fits and can be fine tuned later.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-sKzR9PR/0/e3acc127/X3/D7D7EEDC-8A06-43E0-98DC-2BAD10EDE510-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-F7PVSNG/0/17119be6/X3/37E4C6BD-79B4-4270-AFC0-46FFFF33950F-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-w3dKdmh/0/9354107c/X3/97284413-F6BE-4DF4-920C-4A84C373D75E-X3.jpg)


Likely hinge
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-QznjfWL/0/f52d5501/X3/A0469D08-7A55-423F-BFA9-B07C6FD2665B-X3.jpg)


Something to build on with a styrene infil perhaps. T profile I'm thinking to the sliders will be captive
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-KPZD2Th/0/3cc3b801/X3/FC8C05AC-C492-4983-8C9F-05075668A093-X3.jpg)


People keep asking me what order to do things? well in most cases it's just a matter of how you feel and what you fancy.
The only override is that anything you do must not cause an impact on things you need to do later. Example, you wouldn't glue the deck on until you've finished everything inside the hull
Just now I'll have a break and contemplate the drives that I now have a tracking number for  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 19, 2019, 03:14:55 pm
So much for a break  {-)  sometimes the model just guides you


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-WMD9ZKH/0/e53d8069/X3/71432BD3-1253-48D8-8ED5-DA655570940F-X3.jpg)


Much potential  :-)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-VjqPrVV/0/97362250/X3/0B396D3B-8C17-4540-AF1B-79059E039464-X3.jpg)



Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 20, 2019, 11:04:42 am
My job for today
and tomorrow and Thursday  {-)


Seriously doesn't take long
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-VS8K6Ss/0/21ac8f47/X3/054C3F39-B916-46A6-A898-A778800B26B6-X3.jpg)


Knupfer bolts  102 required 1.4 x 6 type 400
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-h4jxgD6/0/72753b42/X3/D7B35843-8D8E-42E7-8723-3CEDF3D08508-X3.jpg)


EDIT Done this side within the modify post period


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-LRcQrnc/0/2326467e/X3/4CB0FD8E-1A12-4C2C-9AF3-246CC52D8D43-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: dpbarry on August 20, 2019, 03:00:36 pm
Hi Andy.


Are you using some form of template to equally space out the hole positions and drilling.


Declan
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 20, 2019, 03:35:21 pm
No Declan just a tape measure rule and pencil and a steady hand. The bolts are slightly overscale but because I'm not using washers they appear OK
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: dpbarry on August 20, 2019, 03:39:34 pm
 :-)) :-))


No Declan just a tape measure rule and pencil and a steady hand. The bolts are slightly overscale but because I'm not using washers they appear OK
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 20, 2019, 03:44:35 pm
Maybe some help but at peoples own risk  :-)


The side panels find the centre. Measure 2.5mm either side of centre then 5mm intervals gives 22 bolts


The big panel measure centre and 5mm intervals either side equals 29 bolts including the centre


Drill line 5mm from edge all around


This is as 13-01
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 20, 2019, 05:14:52 pm
I've just placed another order with Knupfer and they haven't even asked for advanced payment, seem to trust previous customers. I pay by bank transfer in euros.


After marking out I spot drill all the holes with the tip of a 0.8mm drill bit and if they then look ok I drill through and then re drill 1mm before following with 1.4mm tap


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-v7f2HGx/0/c4fb2dbc/X3/F965FBD8-E2CC-4AC5-9D6A-C42851D47AA8-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: RST on August 20, 2019, 06:19:46 pm
Re that post about the deluxe filler. I said on another post I've not been convinced yet it's just decorators caulk in a small squeeze tube.  As Stavros mentioned there's better out there. Also for small holes we used a single part putty "knifing putty" in the shop, nothing else 2k usually fills pin holes or micro cracks. It's like the squadron putty but finer, flexible and made in a bigger tube. Perhaps Stavros / coch ye bondru can help as I'm needing it now but can't remember what it was called.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: coch y bonddu on August 20, 2019, 08:17:23 pm
RST is it Dolphin Glaze you are thinking of ????




Dave




Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 20, 2019, 08:26:42 pm
My filler arrived by DHL today. Threw it over my 2 metre fence so nicely dented, good job I have some filler for it  {-)


Not much filling left to do and bulkhead now also secured by the windscreen hinge bolts (I've ordered miniature countersunk ones for later) Paxolin CA'd to the resin so I could tap it from above
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-4nC94rn/0/4af6df3d/X3/F742AAA3-9230-436D-A1B1-8B01443568AB-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-9DRK5dF/0/8608e3e2/X3/7EBFD01D-541F-43BC-A7C1-C8875D96FC46-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-L232v9q/0/805826f1/X3/035D1B89-44FC-4243-90DF-F12678428D39-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-RPDq45V/0/6d4de6eb/X3/6D6EE7BA-4697-43DC-BA12-B94BB71F2D00-X3.jpg)


The screen side channels will hide the gaps
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 21, 2019, 10:59:29 pm
Tonight I've taken the deck off to start looking at the running gear.
I've fixed this GRP sheet to a piece of 6mm Paxolin with two of the 3mm screws that hold the servos in place
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-rXfgb89/0/a651ec04/X3/i-rXfgb89-X3.jpg)


The paxolin will be glued to the hull
Something like
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-LhSSd9R/0/daec7029/X3/i-LhSSd9R-X3.jpg)


So this whole unit can be removed with just the two screws via the centre hatch


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-GXBWPMW/0/1cc6bcae/X3/i-GXBWPMW-X3.jpg)


I can't set this up until the trim tabs are in place.


The 2mm SS servo rods will come up though Joysway bellows behind the servo arms then angle 90 degrees to forwards through them.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 21, 2019, 11:18:17 pm
While I'm at it here is the fourth stringer I fitted
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-QF42KWR/0/e99d1e02/X3/34AB1A9B-ECC6-4C78-AD53-09901D3CDB4E-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 22, 2019, 08:22:40 pm
Thought I'd crack on a bit
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-wSHLPMb/0/3c707419/X3/D92F1511-54F0-4B78-BCC3-90B95EE47C13-X3.jpg)


Just taking far too long  {-)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-VcsH6Zz/0/57b930e0/X3/EF175A4C-AFF3-4636-8DE7-F17D121F37E5-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 22, 2019, 10:37:45 pm
Iíve just looked back at the original delivery of the first jet drives and it was 9 days
New parts were posted Monday and now on day four. Iím touring Scotland from Sept 5th anti-clockwise for an undetermined period. So itís touch an go whether weíll be on the water before I leave
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 22, 2019, 11:42:16 pm
End of day shot. What will tomorrow bring
Happy with progress
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-PgzhSJF/0/9cfcf1fb/X3/AED5FC35-1CE6-4C79-96EC-AF4120DF3382-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: RST on August 23, 2019, 01:07:10 am
RST is it Dolphin Glaze you are thinking of ????

Dave

...nope, I can picture the tubes, just can't remember the name.  Probably essentially the same  stuff though!!

(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-LhSSd9R/0/daec7029/X3/i-LhSSd9R-X3.jpg)

...Are you using copperclad to screw servos down?  Seems a bit of a waste of copperclad!
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 23, 2019, 09:10:07 am
Itís what I have in stock no other reason
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 23, 2019, 05:35:22 pm
Wasn't sure which direction to go today but with all the GRP and resin work my craft room was a tip and time for another clean up.
Two hours later .........


As it's cracking the flags today I thought to get the deck fully primered.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-L6Qd2m3/0/6ade1f1d/X3/495C0A1E-2112-4ACC-91DB-8E19B47F0AF2-X3.jpg)


Then I turned my attention to the stern and an opportunity to share my ideas with Kim as so far I've been taking his work  :-))


I've started with a template that can be used either way up to produce both fittings.
Initially I was thinking of brass sheet but I didn't have any thick enough and when I spotted the small pieces of double sided copper GRP I bought months ago it was a no brainer.
About the right thickness can band saw and table sand it drill & tap it and solder to it .


As this will be painted there is also no need for nickel bolts.


I will cut off all but the corner bolts and use those as fixings to the deck


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-wMmZHHG/0/326ee5b5/X3/F275844F-3CC4-40DC-9EB9-42F20AB1AFE3-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-srLVV4c/0/8e81a305/X3/F920B5DC-D410-4256-9330-5D452C58BE95-X3.jpg)




Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 23, 2019, 09:39:21 pm
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-qMptNpF/0/878193e3/X3/995F30D9-884F-44DB-9646-463947D0F695-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: ChrisH1981 on August 23, 2019, 09:45:06 pm
 :-))  Love it andy! I dont know whether to follow this build on FB or here, but i monitor both threads as i dont want to miss anything. I just hope i can get t'internet in Tenerife in two weeks time otherwise im going to have a lotta catching up to do.....
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 23, 2019, 09:56:35 pm
Facebook plays second fiddle. I'll be on holiday myself from the 5th  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Mark T on August 24, 2019, 02:39:15 pm
Thats looks really nice and very realistic too.  I've never heard of copper clad before but it looks like it holds and very sharp edge.  I reckon that will pay dividends once the paint is on.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 24, 2019, 02:41:27 pm
Cheers Mark


This was what I bought early this year for trials https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Glass-Fiber-Double-Side-PCB-Circuit-Board-Copper-Clad-Laminate-8pcs-R8Z8-R8Z8-/173885911260?hash=item287c6870dc
Today I've been sorting the hatches and avoiding going out into the bank holiday weekend congestion
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-KsSjF5F/0/ba02da21/X3/4E8A71F2-ED34-4BFB-B024-1433C945CA98-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 24, 2019, 09:17:15 pm
Baby steps
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-JqqszTP/0/2e3c124a/X3/AAA648F2-0DB8-41B1-B8EA-815CCC68E777-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 25, 2019, 12:00:52 am
Itís been a while but I feel the deja vu
However so far apart from the visible bit I am using epoxy. A new approach that saves all the filing afterwards if your soldering is like mine  {-)


A lot of builders fall foul here with a gap in the railings that a crew man could fall through.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-6ZW9fSt/0/085df3e1/X3/B882470C-B8B1-4F5B-8D94-6206675A4C0D-X3.jpg)





Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon (making hatch lids fit)
Post by: Taranis on August 25, 2019, 06:01:57 pm
I found and you will that the hatch lids when assembled may not sit flush with the deck. My solution to this is 1/64 by 1/4 brass strip. After dressing the hole mask off underneath before using 5 min epoxy and inserting a pre prepared frame. Immediately as the epoxy is going off sit the lid in place and put a straight edge across it so it's flush.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-j27M5rh/0/719f4add/X3/76A8B7F7-2D10-49D5-8D51-068DD890920C-X3.jpg)


before
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-dBQ5mqV/0/973390d0/X3/9E013685-C7B2-49A4-831D-3407AE0C7F38-X3.jpg)


after
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-KsSjF5F/0/ba02da21/X3/4E8A71F2-ED34-4BFB-B024-1433C945CA98-X3.jpg)


A good bit or reshaping here before all fits good
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Lq3c9Fm/0/eda62e67/X3/72FA61EA-8345-493C-B5A2-9B48CE37719C-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-cwGtV93/0/19cf8290/X3/E1498CBB-51B9-4EB6-A53D-18AB408CCE84-X3.jpg)


A tad more filler and I'll be happy
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-2HZ783p/0/86d504a1/X3/EF399EF8-1E12-42A7-8A9C-B75A9B8CA997-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 25, 2019, 07:57:36 pm
So now I'm looking for help advice suggestions .......... for hinges working or non working.  EDIT and HANDLES
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-qMpwZ7G/0/12ec7e84/X3/91C84C74-F190-4449-BACC-1D39BFD58BD0-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-8nNJHBw/0/918452d0/X3/6D36CB07-DB01-41A2-8E13-34D290748FB5-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 25, 2019, 10:11:50 pm
Initial idea
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-7CxRH2m/0/0f6068a5/X2/19AD7425-8E70-49AA-A8C3-C4045951B828-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 26, 2019, 10:02:00 am
Well I've found a great picture that Kinmel posted last year with lots of detail  :-))
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-zzXPPzX/0/076a81f1/X3/223-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 26, 2019, 01:05:19 pm
If everything has been kept symmetrical then the rails can be turned upside down on opposite sides. Using the first stanchion from the gob eye as a reference point. Make all markings in exactly the same positions on both rails one bend at a time and positioning pliers on the same side of your marks on both rails. If you don't do that the bends will not be identical. Note there is a slight bend after that first stanchion too that many don't notice or just not bothered. The bend occurs straight after the outboard lifering clamp and about a pliers width which is handy


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-h4cXjWc/0/a25cae70/X3/0DBB238B-C6C3-47E6-853B-4762609CB237-X3.jpg)



Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 26, 2019, 01:23:53 pm
Then moving on you can set them in place to identify and twists and then the ends can be supported with masking tape. I work to a height of 85mm on these stern rails


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-PchRhvF/0/8e2e7220/X3/C65A9C4D-F28D-4D7D-8360-3D949108958E-X3.jpg)


I'm now going to epoxy the ends to the gob eye and then solder the stanchions in place


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-4g9JzHm/0/1a506c38/X3/EA79F67A-0D2A-41D7-B75F-02F48311FCF7-X3.jpg)


EDIT
but first! the 3.5mm threads


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-mtMv9kt/0/26a221f4/X3/92868764-9725-4003-843B-8D72AA3229CC-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 26, 2019, 03:23:38 pm
The often missed kick before the first turn. Also need to replicate for the lower rail.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-wCPwjLD/0/0af519af/X3/E675DF7B-5535-4610-9872-1121A3788C50-X3.jpg)


Once at this stage it's just a matter of infilling at 43mm centres from top rail.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-rqLjtwR/0/3546a39c/X3/3549A2D0-BAB6-433B-836C-52EE41E0B1A8-X3.jpg)


Now I need some oversize 1/8 brass washers to make the D shaped feet


(http://www.shannon.clwydpark.co.uk/download/file.php?id=58)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 26, 2019, 04:43:26 pm
This is my source of form C washers
3.18 for stern rails


4.3 for Stanchions


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Washers-Large-3-2-4-3-5-3-6-4-8-4mm-Brass-Din-9021/273000252315?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=572226837936&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Washers-Large-3-2-4-3-5-3-6-4-8-4mm-Brass-Din-9021/273000252315?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=572226837936&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-Ld8sXr9/0/fda2fefa/X3/i-Ld8sXr9-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 26, 2019, 08:20:04 pm
Enough today
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-7thDJJG/0/befd1c21/X3/8E396E84-2F0F-44A9-B726-46F6F81BC279-X3.jpg)


A lot of cleaning up tomorrow
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-7dVbFLC/0/0993529b/X3/2CD63474-767A-45A3-9D81-89FFC9E80641-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 27, 2019, 08:36:08 am
Lots still to do here but a good level to start from at some time later. Jet drive parts are on day 8 in transit so I hope to be moving to the other thread soon.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-jNb4zJJ/0/ab3af5d7/X4/7A091758-38A0-41C9-9E9A-BE3B0FF02931-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon (Speedline crew figures)
Post by: Taranis on August 27, 2019, 08:39:04 am
One of our Danish Speedline builders said I could share these.
I thought they are a great benchmark to work to  :-)    Thank you Ole


The rest are here
 https://techno.smugmug.com/Shannon/RNLI-Crew-figures/n-VTqbhc/i-Gj7gRBg (https://techno.smugmug.com/Shannon/RNLI-Crew-figures/n-VTqbhc/i-Gj7gRBg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-Gj7gRBg/0/ea8f06a4/X3/i-Gj7gRBg-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-sHdtgFk/0/bfc889c6/X3/i-sHdtgFk-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 27, 2019, 06:34:37 pm
View from other side
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-8xdG9rT/0/c5639fa8/X3/BBD42BE2-FDC2-4E7B-A082-748FB61BEF80-X3.jpg)


Switched attention to the bow


Having first threaded all four legs and drilled two pilot holes for the searchlight mounts I've set up for soldering with in this case Lead free. Later the searchlight mounting parts will be soldered next to these with low melt solder


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-k5gXXDq/0/09b1736f/X3/008642AE-A829-4BA6-8450-95311B0FBF83-X3.jpg)


I've used plain brass washers centre punched as Stanchion feet. Soldered in situ for correct angle to deck


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-5dCqf2d/0/4ee7f169/X3/506CAD20-A7A3-4BAA-9432-413557DA2E6C-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-KBNrjfd/0/afce08c0/X3/94A0FB60-60E8-42B6-9CDA-2FE758CB7AC2-X3.jpg)


Broom handle
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-qgR4Kzq/0/7261e494/X3/D9C878AA-7A4C-4E54-8E73-9F6EA7711DAC-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 28, 2019, 01:02:18 pm
Almost there. If you are fortunate to have Speedline parts or building one. Here is my modified searchlight. I've used SS servo rod for the handles and made a complete new cradle from brass as the resin one is too weak and too tall. SS dome head socket screws for the pivots
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-q8pQXvq/0/6f7dd841/X3/3D396C3D-BA6C-4C61-A4EC-3A0C433063EB-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-WJd6ntm/0/217d2a30/X3/5C40BFBF-9447-4B70-8737-A2CEB965BF3D-X3.jpg)


2.4mm hole sleeved with tube
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-wPM2V9X/0/3fd9ce69/X3/6B7B111C-4B26-4248-A8A8-FA9DB81E506B-X3.jpg)


Happy with symmetry
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-nZF5qhX/0/ab9b59dc/X3/5E1936FE-AF35-49C4-BA7E-3A1A6785357E-X3.jpg)


You will find that the base for the Capstan is not level and needs building up on the rear half to make it vertical like the bollard. This was also the case on my other Shannon but I filed the front lower instead as the deck is plenty thick enough
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 28, 2019, 04:44:57 pm
The Captsan mount levelled
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-mFW7JTq/0/3a011ab4/X3/5DEADA71-DDAC-4246-907B-03A15D5DDB75-X3.jpg)


A start on the bow roller
This is the first tier and as good as part of the deck. I've used thin styrene stuck down with 5min Poundland and surplus cleaned off with isopropanol
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-TN3k8Hq/0/b784856f/X3/AC6090E4-4C99-43C3-AB41-29E5605B7051-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/Speedline-photos/i-67ZmpWJ/1/5586fc64/X2/from%20Alan%20on%2011707%20086-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 28, 2019, 05:44:39 pm
I see Kim is under pressure by messages for dimensions.


I will start adding mine. These are not for argument (I doubt there are two models out there the same) and taken at your own risk. Generally if they look about right its near enough. Please don't tell me they are wrong because once I've committed to holes and bending brass you will be too late  {-)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-9CJsw22/0/20dddf00/X3/B7EBAA2D-B327-4F9B-A9E2-D5C04B2770BF-X3.jpg)

Of note is all my stanchion holes are centred on a line 10mm from the deck edge without fender fitted.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-2hnVsWZ/0/70bab93e/X3/30ED3EA6-BF90-4FC8-BE9D-BDBAD6B2E88D-X3.jpg)


I had already enquired with Chris about interior and the value is really excellent. I have a full set of Speedline seats already but will be using Chris for the rest at a later date  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on August 28, 2019, 09:55:44 pm
Not 'under pressure' Andy, been doing this for nineteen years now.......just another 'pinch point' as people buy and get inspired in 'spasms'. Always pleased to help, it's what the hobby is properly about - sharing - giving and getting, which is why I always go into detail. It's why I ran a five year course at my home and workshop.
Kim
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 28, 2019, 09:59:02 pm
Fine Kim as I say my measurements may take a load off at users own risk  :-)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 29, 2019, 01:30:29 pm
This morning I've turned attention back to the hull by first bracing the mid stretcher before removing the cross cabin section
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Nv2zFkj/0/7dcc2c95/X3/7162B43B-8B6A-4320-8559-BAD6F7E2BC5A-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-fRjxvkx/0/116db169/X3/07685707-C09A-405C-A065-CF8B6A66F18D-X3.jpg)


This is a very thick section of the hull that I have epoxied to
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-WZgvZPb/0/c4761ad1/X3/1E8D336C-BE98-47B9-9E93-85790D65F863-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 29, 2019, 04:19:50 pm
The 1/8 washers arrived so I made the six stanchion feet
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-jtxQbXw/0/07ceb514/X3/9284FA6E-2B93-4953-BE8A-506CE17DCDF0-X3.jpg)


Cleaned up and ready for Knupfer dummy bolts
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-RCNBwKm/0/60ee3758/X3/A9DE605B-FCCC-4282-B5CC-FB39914FD0D1-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-JwXHFjV/0/1cbe5ed6/X3/9EC38F6D-5B38-42A7-8FCC-4F9BBAB1E0E8-X3.jpg)


Capstan now vertical
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-bQQf99m/0/bfb4ba7c/X3/CCD7B888-08C1-425D-89F1-62750AE635C3-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-sVQT4M2/0/b51ff49c/X3/1B3CA51D-0EA3-4268-BCD8-9D1D6CB359C0-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 29, 2019, 08:46:11 pm
It may be noticeable I hope? how enjoyable this one of many MBD kits is to build.
The freedom to put your own way of doing things into play is for me most satisfying.
Sharing ideas and cherry picking the options you favour is bliss.
So many things to make from scratch is great for the grey cells  :-)


A question ! What is the best process to attach this deck to this hull, meaning adhesive and preparation?
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: ChrisH1981 on August 29, 2019, 09:41:07 pm
Andy, I hope you dont think this is a dumb question, Do you solder the washers in place on the deck or do you mark the stanchions, then solder off the model? Im just thinking if you solder in place, how do you protect the deck from the heat?
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 29, 2019, 09:43:03 pm
No not dumb at all. In place Chris. GRP will withstand a very high temperature, it just scorches the primer which is why I don't do top coats before all stanchions are made.
Keep the questions coming


EDIT
Another reason for not silver soldering and plenty strong enough. We can all agree to disagree  :-))  pick and choose


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-JgX8G8V/0/5584d361/X4/17E674AF-93A1-418E-9F78-222CB2CF48DF-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: ChrisH1981 on August 29, 2019, 09:55:46 pm
Its been said before, and ill say it again, a work of art, particularly this photograph showing the railings inverted :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: ChrisH1981 on August 29, 2019, 09:57:49 pm
and you know what, that use of tube around the gob eye looks very purposeful and not out of place in any way  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 29, 2019, 09:59:35 pm
Well thank you Chris. It's really not that difficult if done methodically. I hope the pictures convey more method along the way than words can
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 29, 2019, 10:00:52 pm
and you know what, that use of tube around the gob eye looks very purposeful and not out of place in any way  :-))


 %%  Thanks I agree, there is so much going on the eye isn't drawn to it  :-))  Still more detail to add there when I figure out how
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: captain bligh on August 29, 2019, 10:11:43 pm
Andy can I ask is that a bender screwed to the bench for bending railings?
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 29, 2019, 10:14:40 pm
Andy can I ask is that a bender screwed to the bench for bending railings?
That was the intention but I found it less easy than my hands and pliers and I should have binned it by now.
Hand and eye coordination are much better with 3D structures  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: captain bligh on August 29, 2019, 10:21:03 pm
Haha I remember bending the railings around the bow of my Maggie M I used a new toilet roll soft so wouldn't kink but solid enough to  bend round work well for the radius I needed.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 29, 2019, 10:24:07 pm
Thatís one in the bank for when I do my Maggie  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: RST on August 29, 2019, 11:13:54 pm
Nowt wrong with bending jigs if you know how to use one. Have seen guys make inside out knots upside down in seconds with them but you have to learn the skill of using it. I could never get it right either, just stick to pliers and bits of anything else to help. Does the same job for me. LoL. Nice result.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 30, 2019, 02:04:16 pm
 :-))


Now looking at the strakes and Kim's idea I'm trying to expand on that.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-rX4GHJV/0/180e6dff/X3/EE314E11-56B6-4D36-B087-45573982A382-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-nd3X92q/0/3a7c204d/X3/1E91C36F-9BDC-4F01-9882-80BD6D9E9471-X3.jpg)


Cut diagonal with 12" hacksaw


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-sMDc2MM/0/7ad2d377/X3/82D3142D-E489-44DE-8ED7-9CEE842347B6-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-jVRLKrx/0/d3201415/X3/28A66495-B750-4125-AA68-FDF9DC3E558C-X3.jpg)



Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 30, 2019, 04:54:35 pm
I was struggling for fixings then had the idea to modify M2 dome head socket screws
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-8wBr8BN/0/797f5ded/X3/3EA908C7-A5E8-44E4-92DF-E00141CD1695-X3.jpg)


Once happy with the fit I masked up and applied 5 min resin and tightened the nuts


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-6ktwDZH/0/b7a808ad/X3/70871D03-C901-4956-A306-8D516359FAA1-X3.jpg)


Cleaned up with Isopropanol for a nice smooth fillet
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-6hJqKwJ/0/1c4e4e29/X3/4BD6FE7C-2D6A-42C0-BF66-8E72EAB7A972-X3.jpg)


Ready for 2mm styrene infill

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 30, 2019, 06:43:32 pm
EDIT. The bottom of the strake is 12mm up from the edge
 
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Vp8TSRH/0/c1d251a8/X3/E31BA731-423E-4DB4-B9D6-C391E94202BB-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-rv7HwfM/0/20aa50ea/X3/CEC22ED0-6259-4CC5-A9DE-697B74444FD3-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-3Ht9sGf/0/1ef5848d/X3/BA1989FE-DADC-4338-A424-BABAC501AECD-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 30, 2019, 10:11:53 pm
Iím a little deflated as my mate Charlie on Facebook made his from recycled car registration plate for nothing  :-))  think outside the box  8)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 31, 2019, 11:14:03 pm
Iíve just had cause to search online for Halfords grey textured spray paint.
This no longer comes up, only in green. I over paint it anyway but I found this a surprise
I will be raiding stores for shelf stock
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 01, 2019, 04:31:25 pm
Firstly I am happy with the strakes. Now finished in Tamiya FINE metal primer.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-K8TZkkZ/0/341b24b1/X3/D1DD8FE8-9730-4DA8-ADA6-42A247BB3862-X3.jpg)


Next I started on the keel following Kim's lead and filled in with 30 min resin and 175gm 25mm glass cloth using 3 lengths on the deeper section
I'm also following good advice and have started removing the gel coat from the hull to deck flange


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-5xD6wXb/0/a3f2dc08/X4/762C0BF5-9BCD-4C78-9761-998301B7F8BB-X4.jpg)


I've used my orbital sander to take the bulk off to the line.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-DghrrW8/0/6668ff26/X3/B92EFFF1-6C50-4328-B969-9282567E9226-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-F3567fh/0/81f33e64/X3/17B45187-52AA-4DD5-A9AF-FC1A0096A010-X3.jpg)


Going back to this picture. The Graupner brass rectangular box section that I used for the strakes is the perfect dimensions fo the keel. So I plan to remove more GRP to accommodate this which will then allow the keel extension to be a true continuation and much more solid than a bolt on afterthought.
The true keel tapers narrower as it meets the start of the bow curve where the hole is for the recovery ropes
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-K8TZkkZ/0/341b24b1/X3/D1DD8FE8-9730-4DA8-ADA6-42A247BB3862-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 01, 2019, 06:32:23 pm
I want to share a product with you. I've been using Z poxy previously but as I had an order in with hobby king I decided to try these two made in USA resins.
Absolutely first class product.
This chart shows which product is good for what usage.


Still pricey though

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-w2WcXSR/0/cb383dde/X3/DFF2F4DF-48F9-43DD-AC79-57D71280CCA4-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-SnPDnwx/0/0ef61dee/X3/979A93A1-DC36-45E4-9B98-43361308A5BA-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-bhx7rRC/0/37ce361a/X3/CDB971AE-FC92-4BA4-B4A2-2E9D4B3FF3D9-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 02, 2019, 08:24:30 pm
Jet drives update
https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,63576.msg673560/topicseen.html#msg673560 (https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,63576.msg673560/topicseen.html#msg673560)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-QM488fn/0/8f6cddfb/X3/i-QM488fn-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 03, 2019, 10:51:03 pm
Just getting interesting and I have to go on holiday  :((


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-V3mrXMH/0/2fdbd86d/X3/2D1F4E2B-25B9-40C5-87C6-5F1496562BFD-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-cp9LXzH/0/362aa40b/X4/51902D3B-6903-4B22-A68C-0B52B4C0F8CD-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 06, 2019, 07:50:09 pm
Iíve just had cause to search online for Halfords grey textured spray paint.
This no longer comes up, only in green. I over paint it anyway but I found this a surprise
I will be raiding stores for shelf stock


I think I might just survive  {-)  @ £4 a tin clearance  :-)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-VVxWXBX/0/2a7399ce/X3/DA68113B-16F3-4449-9475-B707D094AC98-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 10, 2019, 09:46:50 pm
Better pictures coming later this month  :-))
https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2019/09/iphone-11-pro-and-iphone-11-pro-max-the-most-powerful-and-advanced-smartphones/?imgid=5ffd2441c5bca35fc8347ec17c4e1755 (https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2019/09/iphone-11-pro-and-iphone-11-pro-max-the-most-powerful-and-advanced-smartphones/?imgid=5ffd2441c5bca35fc8347ec17c4e1755)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 16, 2019, 06:59:45 pm
I've never felt so much desire to be at home. Being retired now I've little need to be on holiday but I have to keep SWMBO happy.
Currently at Wick and intending to head towards Skye on Wednesday. Likely slowly return via Glasgow Apple stores


I've been thinking of the deck attachment and my mind is veering away from epoxy in favour of Everbuild stixall type adhesive, most of the deck will be held by the railings and stanchions with 3.5mm nuts.
The joint is ultimately hidden by the fenders so if a suitable adhesive for those is found that is non destructive to remove I can as a last resort remove the deck with a good blade.
Fender adhesive recommendations invited.


OceanWorks are posting me the rest of my Jet drive parts to arrive as I arrive home
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: dpbarry on September 17, 2019, 03:06:36 pm
Hi Andy.


I received my drives a week or so ago. Is there a difference in what I have and what you are receiving? Just be interested to know.


Regards


Declan
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 17, 2019, 03:15:12 pm
Mine are the first issue
The trim tabs have been revised after my intervention and are being posted to me in time for end of my holiday. This is covered in the thread for the jet drives in R&D section
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: dpbarry on September 17, 2019, 03:18:46 pm
 :-)) :-))


Mine are the first issue
The trim tabs have been revised after my intervention and are being posted to me in time for end of my holiday. This is covered in the thread for the jet drives in R&D section
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 17, 2019, 03:42:54 pm
Also the later motor mount has four fixing points and is connected to the base intake housing
This does not concern me that I have the first issue as I already saw the weaknesses and have thought out my own way to achieve a solid installation
This will of course be shared in the R&D thread  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 19, 2019, 04:22:48 pm
As per previous page regarding sticking the deck on.
This is the product I will use
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-FwpL7FH/0/2be7a305/X2/8534FEB8-6C35-4C0A-8FF2-34C0821251C7-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-wjrv5gS/0/76526a8f/X2/B815219C-C57A-4977-B811-474EC72EAB2F-X2.jpg)


Tomorrow we will leave Grantown on Spey for Edinburgh Caravan site and hope I will establish where HMS Prince of Wales is now anchored. I believe she went through the sea gate yesterday out of Rosyth dock.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 19, 2019, 10:36:13 pm
 :-))
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/royal-navy-aircraft-carrier-hms-20101283 (https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/royal-navy-aircraft-carrier-hms-20101283)


I believe she had NINE tugs
(https://i2-prod.dailystar.co.uk/incoming/article20101118.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_HMS-Prince-of-Wales-leaves-Rosyth.jpg)


(https://i2-prod.dailystar.co.uk/incoming/article20101120.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_HMS-Prince-of-Wales-leaves-Rosyth.jpg)




Photos from me tomorrow I hope
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 25, 2019, 09:07:53 pm
Just getting interesting and I have to go on holiday  :((


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-V3mrXMH/0/2fdbd86d/X3/2D1F4E2B-25B9-40C5-87C6-5F1496562BFD-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-cp9LXzH/0/362aa40b/X4/51902D3B-6903-4B22-A68C-0B52B4C0F8CD-X4.jpg)
3rd day back off holiday and things have moved on a pace in the jet drive thread.
Almost there and new trim tabs to arrive Friday. Could be on the lake this weekend.
Just fitted a base for batteries, I'm planning on 4  5200mah 4s LiPo
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-jxcDJSx/0/075b60f8/X4/A174E797-4DDF-4C70-88F8-B8D3F711A048-X4.jpg)

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 26, 2019, 11:26:49 am

This is more build related so posting in this thread.I've now completed the battery tray all from 6mm Paxolin. The batteries pictured previously are discontinued but these are exactly the same spec and still from Turnigy so I've ordered 2 to make up the four

https://hobbyking.com/en_us/turnigy-high-capacity-5200mah-4s-12c-multi-rotor-lipo-pack-w-xt60.html (https://hobbyking.com/en_us/turnigy-high-capacity-5200mah-4s-12c-multi-rotor-lipo-pack-w-xt60.html)

Ordered a pair of these also
https://hobbyking.com/en_us/receiver-system-switch.html (https://hobbyking.com/en_us/receiver-system-switch.html)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-HVmkVMz/0/782c6ebb/X4/F48F5D37-35A2-4868-A5FA-73D1038E1837-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-w2GNXjv/0/6e293a37/X4/8459DD32-181A-47DB-97ED-67E0E3F90ED5-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 26, 2019, 12:59:03 pm
Great idea and just ordered  :-))
https://hobbyking.com/en_us/balance-lead-tidy-saver-4s-4pcs.html
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: dpbarry on September 26, 2019, 04:12:03 pm
Hi Andy

Are you running the batteries in parallel. Two each ESC?

Declan
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 26, 2019, 05:21:15 pm
Yes
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: dpbarry on September 27, 2019, 04:38:15 pm
 :-)) :-)) 

Yes
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: furball on September 27, 2019, 05:43:00 pm
What are you cutting/machining the paxolin with? Iíve got a big sheet of it, but itís quite possibly the hardest stuff Iíve come across!


Lance
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 27, 2019, 06:25:19 pm
What are you cutting/machining the paxolin with? Iíve got a big sheet of it, but itís quite possibly the hardest stuff Iíve come across!


Lance


Makita 18volt jigsaw slow speed. Then finish edges on bench sander with extractor
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 27, 2019, 06:26:07 pm
Jet drive parts not arrived yet so started on bow roller
Also trimmed the fender at bow and stern

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-PKm6j84/0/e7aa8206/X3/FA8DEE22-4260-4AD8-B9E1-070542C60044-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 27, 2019, 07:09:33 pm
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-6rvgsBx/0/658bd4c6/X5/6AF95B4D-17CE-4B58-BF34-AAE416DCA39F-X5.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on September 27, 2019, 11:34:56 pm
That's all looking good Andy, coming on a real treat, with some good ideas and tips to help everyone.
Kim
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 27, 2019, 11:43:17 pm
Thanks Kim
Iíve started on the cable guide too
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-zwsKJcK/0/2a1b4647/X3/DCDA8922-727D-4A31-988B-13F17119ACB9-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 28, 2019, 11:18:31 am
This is my method for bow channel


4 layers of masking tape to create an edge
Fusion adhesive built up in layers (extremely hard to shape once hard) so don't overdo it.


The brass channel is deeper than I intended but I'll sand it back with ropes in place. It's is temporarily fixed with 1.4mm screws tapped into the GRP
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-mZzHZcN/0/4ed33b4a/X3/B50BE9CB-BA0A-4AE5-8EBE-032EDFE0583F-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-5L7kSxT/0/a9d2425a/X4/C19EA24E-CF56-4A49-B046-7B36067539A3-X4.jpg)

An unusual shot while in progress. Still waiting for trim tabs but the radio is all set up ready  :-))


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-GGB7LXW/0/ae5e8ecb/X4/5C33F443-1A35-4E33-8BC1-514798B3965A-X4.jpg)

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 28, 2019, 12:42:55 pm
Very effective method and won't chip like the resin of the other model when hitting debris in the water.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-NhJ2QM2/0/f765a0d7/X3/5F6788CC-F217-4049-9B49-4E0B81D28961-X3.jpg)


Half way there
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-8qqVsKq/0/408ae3fc/X4/3DD03639-A336-4BE0-822D-EB64364B8988-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 28, 2019, 03:48:05 pm
Good few hrs effort
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-gTbbFz9/0/173e6a5b/X3/A8707BC4-039A-48D1-B9EA-0D216DB46F72-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-R8XdWG4/0/08f6a5cb/X3/C6116726-04D7-402E-80D3-7ECCFB7B50E3-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 28, 2019, 07:40:30 pm
Info on fusion
https://deluxematerials.co.uk/products/fusion (https://deluxematerials.co.uk/products/fusion)


Cheapest online seller Deans Marine  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Mark T on September 28, 2019, 07:57:41 pm
Very neat, clean and smooth  :-))   Great idea and looks fantastic!
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 28, 2019, 09:03:10 pm
Thanks Mark. Further fettling has made it neater  ok2


ALERT ! Ebay discount valid until midnight on ALL items in basket totalling over £50


I just bought a few bits but my fourth sound unit
Best instock price without incurring import duty


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ESS-DUAL-Plus-Real-Engine-Sound-Simulator-for-Axial-SCX10-SCX10-II-Traxxas-DE-EU/254143671479?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ESS-DUAL-Plus-Real-Engine-Sound-Simulator-for-Axial-SCX10-SCX10-II-Traxxas-DE-EU/254143671479?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649)


Ebay voucher code at check out is PLEASED. will get 10% off


I bought those Starrett pin vices too Mark  :-))  £45
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 29, 2019, 04:15:29 pm
I've found a bit of an issue with the hull towards the bow. The chine below the deck line should follow the bottom edge of the fender. The fender becomes less in depth for the last 300mm towards the bow but the chine remains constant. I feel this will cause me problems in the end when fitting the yellow and red lines so I'd rather reshape it now before any paintwork.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-SLmgM7W/0/c448790c/X3/43C93A17-1647-4166-B8E2-A373BC6513DA-X3.jpg)


There is enough material to do this but I will add to the inside skin
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-phS9wM9/0/eaa0b906/X5/273A4D14-E880-46A7-8BA7-3240E323EF1E-X5.jpg)

More progress on bow channel and Stem head
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-4D3tXWQ/0/d0022034/X4/562D8F6B-6974-42D7-B1F3-F17A8E0E8FED-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-zHJWxCX/0/09ee8027/X3/C642BBC7-A5A7-405A-B156-B8625575C9FD-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Mark T on September 29, 2019, 05:27:04 pm
I don't know anything about lifeboats - so what does the cable on the bow do on the full size version?
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 29, 2019, 05:34:40 pm
Itís only the Shannon beach launch boats that have these. They are for the launch and recovery unit to haul it off the sand
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Mark T on September 29, 2019, 05:37:32 pm
Thanks Andy that makes sense.  On the models I've always thought that it looks good but had no idea what it was for  :embarrassed:
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 29, 2019, 06:01:34 pm
Thanks Andy that makes sense.  On the models I've always thought that it looks good but had no idea what it was for  :embarrassed:
https://rnli.org/what-we-do/lifeboats-and-stations/our-lifeboat-fleet/shannon-class-lifeboat  :-)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: kinmel on September 29, 2019, 06:29:49 pm
I don't know anything about lifeboats - so what does the cable on the bow do on the full size version?
That cable is released from the deck and passed now to the recovery team. It is then attached to the winch and hauled aboard the cradle.    Watch this video from the 3minute mark and you will see how it works....  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qhxtdfako90
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on September 30, 2019, 10:47:16 pm
First coat of smooth Hammerite . The equipment tray is 5mm clear acrylic (cut sized to order EBAY) and will look nice when the protective film is removed revealing the ESC's below.
RX aerials also mounted
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-vNJGmLB/0/260488eb/X4/B4EF2DEE-4067-43E9-92B1-60F46296EB3E-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 01, 2019, 03:45:36 pm
These balance lead keepers just arrived, what a simple great idea. They are specific to the number of cells, here 4s
While I'm at it you may notice I use a 2mm paxolin shim between the batteries. If I made them tight without the shim it could be a struggle to fit and remove them, just slip it in and out as required.

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-sjkbLtz/0/f0d5065b/X4/825E0381-1EE9-4858-A7BD-08D94BE6C949-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 01, 2019, 09:30:10 pm
Myself and Kinmel have decided to hibernate the Speedline Shannon builders forum due to the discontinuation of that brand and the model. The Facebook builders group has many photos from our Danish members (some of the last customers) with such outstanding attention to detail and the group covers both brands
Many thanks to Alan for hosting the forum for so long
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 01, 2019, 11:56:13 pm
Big photo
Nearly ready to run
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-TntGq3G/0/7dbc094f/X5/D5E5E01C-6364-4EAB-82E5-79E0DA6BCD7D-X5.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 04, 2019, 06:06:02 pm
Extra batteries arrived along with ESS Dual+ sound unit.
A problem I have now is that the RCplus program for downloading sound files is WINDOZE only and I'm all Mac since my SAMFLUNG went to the graveyard

Should get up to 2 hrs running from these. Despite the re wrapping they are all Turnigy and same spec


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-FgdZPpk/0/250d04cc/X4/FDFE051B-D8F0-4739-98A9-39897B17E1A1-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 05, 2019, 01:41:09 pm
I've decided not to dismiss a self priming bilge pump. You just never know!
This is fed and switched through the receiver as I have abundant channels.
The RX switch is 2amp rated, the pumps is only .35 amps ish and is from experience quite efficient at only 5volts.


Both my receivers have independent 5amp supplies from their respective ESC's so no shortage of amps to run 3 servos each and any extras

Pictured awaiting a pipe reducer
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-bcrjQPp/0/82ab3a71/X4/83D2BBC5-C583-4324-874F-8B81EE7AD871-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Mark T on October 05, 2019, 04:42:54 pm
I think thatís a smart idea Andy - I think you can get sensors that can also automatically trigger it switching itself on that sit in the bottom of the hull
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 05, 2019, 07:41:45 pm
Any sensor would need more water depth than the pump itself needs to prime. It will run happily dry until a vacuum is created across the intake pipe.
On the Speedline I just flick it on and if no water comes out I'm happy  :-)


The switch https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RC-Receiver-Controlled-Electronic-On-Off-Switch-R-C-Remote-Alt-to-Turnigy-UK/202660286894?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: derekwarner on October 05, 2019, 11:30:23 pm
Andy...the two new vertical red posts  [installed in the last few days]....are they 2.4Ghz aerials?.......


I have not studied or used this new technology  :o

Derek
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 06, 2019, 08:22:59 am

Good question, nothing technical in reply  :-)

They are pieces of wood covered in heat shrink to hold the aerial blades yes. Otherwise they would just flop about in a mess.
The wood has brass rod up the centre so it locates in a hole in the acrylic tray. These can be pulled out and laid flat if access is needed to the stern with fat fingers
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: ChrisH1981 on October 06, 2019, 06:37:09 pm
Hi Andy, nice install or the RC equipment!
Thats a neat little bilge pump, can I ask what you are using as I intend to fit a similar item in my IRISHMAN tug
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 06, 2019, 06:49:30 pm
Thanks.
Prices have been getting silly but I just looked and found these
 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DC-5V-12V-6V-9V-Large-Flow-Micro-Mute-370-Diaphragm-Pump-Self-Priming-Water-Pump/254232223730?hash=item3b316bdff2:g:vNkAAOSw9hlc0O4c
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: ChrisH1981 on October 06, 2019, 06:52:06 pm
 :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 06, 2019, 06:53:35 pm
:-))


or https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/253475472565
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: mk1 on October 09, 2019, 06:14:10 am
Hi Andy were did you get the piano hinge for the windscreen. I have lost the details of were I got my other ones from.
Thanks John
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 09, 2019, 10:13:55 am
Morning John you were up early  :-)


I bought them from Leeds model Shop but they don't seem to list them online. They seem to be very hard to find but I just did elsewhere, look the same spec
http://modelshop.co.uk/Shop/Findings/Hinges/Item/Piano-hinge-304mm-long-Pk2/ITM4646 (http://modelshop.co.uk/Shop/Findings/Hinges/Item/Piano-hinge-304mm-long-Pk2/ITM4646)


Actually Leeds model shop did an even smaller size that could be good for the corner side screen hinges. Worth ringing them. Closed to public Wednesday but open for online and phone enquiries


edit
here too https://www.shop4musicboxes.co.uk/music-box-piano-hinge-287-p.asp
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 09, 2019, 08:15:47 pm
I lost momentum and motivation for a while but I'm back scratching  :-)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Fxzh9wG/0/047d5a76/X2/D199F669-C133-4789-9FEB-5B74A861E2C2-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-TjbPHXR/0/8a888941/X3/66941585-85E5-46C6-AB71-FAD4CCE96609-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-fmmZh5h/0/704c5bce/X3/A8B2E4F2-0E60-44DE-AD9C-A7759D4FF0CC-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: mk1 on October 09, 2019, 11:19:35 pm
Hi Andy thanks for the details for were to get the hinges tried Leeds Model Shop no on there so will try tomorrow will let you know how I get on. As for up early I am up 4.30 every morning life to short to lay in bed.
Thanks John
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 11, 2019, 08:42:04 pm
Pump is now connected up and outlet fitted to coincide with an actual one on the yellow line


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-kJdp3mX/0/3a14d957/X3/B844FABD-7DF3-49F6-A5EF-2A5A23EC25E3-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-7pcnk5d/0/041b3827/X3/9C6608EB-F909-4645-9B5B-6AABA305F4CC-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 11, 2019, 08:47:41 pm
I'm back on the hull details now.
Here the recovery bracket for the Transom. I'm using 2mm styrene for these parts which may be a tad oversize but I want them to stand out. This part is removable to aid painting.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-DHmGCDm/0/54e32c2e/X3/175BEBA3-553C-4530-BC62-FC627335D99D-X3.jpg)


The keel extension bracket. Recovery bracket screws are temporary until I received a 3mm head slim nut spinner

The Keel bracket is held by 2 of the screws only to the hull, the rest are cut flush
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-S32NKcF/0/68199c7d/X3/6837B106-8262-40A7-B941-0D279D976621-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-f2bB5r2/0/aa7e0961/X3/7D865EEE-4627-48B7-9A7B-8EAAEF6D4FB0-X3.jpg)


I must thank MarkT for recommending these pin vices. They are proving invaluable for this


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-LdQDFqG/0/8b662e92/X3/6BC20175-90A9-402A-9576-3A1558E8AE2A-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-7Q3ccbG/0/ae5b7b0d/X3/54307D32-75CE-4E06-9197-B8C8B87DEDEF-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Mark T on October 11, 2019, 08:59:13 pm
Lovely precise and accurate job - you must be so pleased the way this is turning out because I would be  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 11, 2019, 09:04:55 pm
Thanks Mark it really is so much more pleasure making the parts than paying for ones that you may or may not be happy with. You decide for yourself what will do or go in the bin and have another go.
I tend to be much more forgiving of inaccuracy as long as it looks well  {-)
Terrific base kit


Jet drive parts have been re sent with a different courier so I hope to be wet testing soon

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 12, 2019, 10:20:30 pm




(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-jdmdmD6/0/bc7df147/X3/D50BFDB2-8390-4C51-91EE-0EEE07C9A8E7-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-JV8TdT7/0/a5e2080e/X3/5338B89C-5B23-4B80-87D7-16C3982C6714-X3.jpg)


The keel will be in two sections with an invisible joint but all removable
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-wpcrcVt/0/97904aa4/X3/35753925-B9D8-45AF-9F57-5C93C44012D0-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 13, 2019, 04:15:58 pm
Awesome tools   :-))


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-QhsbMXL/0/613530c9/X3/593147D4-1C06-4A4D-9400-0FD202711BC4-X3.jpg)



(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-9wsTDqK/0/4543fabe/X3/57A9BF89-3321-4226-809D-9F7DF9285318-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Fq3W3LR/0/7fd8074d/X3/76B1A871-9154-4667-A270-5201B858DAAD-X3.jpg)


These were made from 4 layers of 2mm Styrene and a bench sander


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-jvDd3TB/0/f11f0518/X2/7CA5414E-4656-481C-AB07-85FFBEAA1E34-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: coch y bonddu on October 13, 2019, 05:44:48 pm
Top tip Andy when you are using primer on Brass or any metal parts such as those bolts use some Halfords etch primer as it will solve what you have got on the brass a hard edge,and will stop the tendancy to peel




Dave
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 13, 2019, 05:50:52 pm
Thanks
Non of the bolts are to be painted, will be left stainless steel as the actual Shannon
Assembly will be after final painting  :-))  any paint on bolts would come off when tools are used as I have found from experience so itís useful that these are not called for to have paint


The brass has been sanded after alterations the primer hasnít chipped or peeled
I use Tamiya FINE primer for metal
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 14, 2019, 05:22:58 pm
Bolts all ready for assembly after paintwork


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-XC68hQx/0/229c4d88/X3/D34AF6C7-FA41-4323-8EC6-6859C095E9F3-X3.jpg)


Stood on end to add resin making the transom thicker
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-qZXLhdP/0/8e7b2396/X5/1EF29CDA-9C0A-459F-961A-D1213620D815-X5.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-32hMxr2/0/6870ba84/X3/i-32hMxr2-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 14, 2019, 08:14:39 pm
I'm not ready for this yet as I have detail still to add to the bow.


Stand has proven to be suitably level  :-))


Top edge of laser line is the bottom edge of the white line.


Once fully primed I'm going to start from the bottom up


I'll mask off everything above and spray the anthracite. Then I'll mask off the black/anthracite and spray the white line. Then finally mask off for the Balliol Blue.
Then decals before lacquer.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-n8vVgzN/0/339a556d/X2/36115254-BAE1-4FCF-B579-8EE9820B3473-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-rXn7Sqd/0/94ae3e9c/X3/FF1FDAF0-E790-4AE9-8C8E-744E8863A644-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 15, 2019, 06:39:22 pm

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-qvCwVxj/0/df48af68/X2/7CA8CB7A-3DC9-43C7-8554-8906C9693BBB-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-qNv4HwW/0/4bd55337/X3/B148163A-BD95-45A5-B40F-991C06473913-X3.jpg)


All I'm short of is exhaust outlets
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-r5ztXF8/0/2e8c2f14/X3/i-r5ztXF8-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 16, 2019, 12:08:43 am
Jet drives are behind me now apart from maybe a bit more tweaking.


Today I'm going to leak test again and ballast it with four batteries and a sum of lead.
If we get the all clear to sail by Sunday I'll be good to go.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-qQsM9p8/0/ba1c5aca/X4/A70F95BA-D444-4675-A339-634BD802A772-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-vV6bXcR/0/28d62a45/X4/552AE508-375E-4C9D-B164-FAF3378E73CC-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: mk1 on October 16, 2019, 05:45:44 am
Looking very good Andy hope mine turns out to be so nice.
John
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 16, 2019, 09:43:10 am
Thank you John. We all know the answer to that  ok2  having seen your attention to detail  8)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 17, 2019, 02:45:53 pm
Keel complete and removable for hull painting


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-KSJcvRn/0/9b1cb0ad/X4/690B6932-FE93-49FF-A5F9-9FBCF332DC32-X4.jpg)


Just two per side small z shaped brackets to make and fit for the cable securing
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-6Rf7sBX/0/5708dc74/X3/16766A9A-3D33-42AF-84D2-5E1B3D265369-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 17, 2019, 03:08:12 pm
Finished moving the chine to the bottom edge of the fender line


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-RzPXgbH/0/36e85457/4K/1BACA65F-60D4-4339-8516-247F4579BC8B-4K.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-jRVhxH5/0/ca020607/X3/C1DDF93F-E8CF-41EF-9909-8CB795D4B503-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 17, 2019, 05:49:15 pm
I'm now ready to launch. Leak tested and ballasted. Deck taped on.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-GtV3s7x/0/93304a8e/X4/2988D55A-FEB3-444A-8A7E-D44F1EF41EB2-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-MXBxQVZ/0/28704416/X4/E5C65EE6-FDCD-4281-B75C-3ACA0477DCEC-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon (Ballasting)
Post by: Taranis on October 17, 2019, 07:02:45 pm
Eventually as the build progresses and more weight is added to the front half I may have to draw the front pair of batteries rearwards as pictured.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Q88rzHg/0/96a141fc/X4/AE4D6FC6-702D-4768-B154-EAA08AFBB27A-X4.jpg)


For the moment they are OK as originally designed and I have had to add a roll of lead to the stern to the value of 941grams. The rest of the build will account for a good half of that so the lead will be customised to suit.


Cable ties to help extraction
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-JPM3twj/0/6418c815/X4/6D340D74-8E78-43F2-89E9-16ECA15A061C-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Q7gqBCV/0/f19dd27d/X4/717C8104-F4CB-44EE-AD33-DC967986B956-X4.jpg)


The interior Unit available from Chris Scott to order would likely mean I would have to run on just two batteries but I would probably only use it for display purposes as it is easy to fit and remove  :-))


Chris has just informed me that a ready to run MBD of his build comes in at 9.4kg
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 17, 2019, 07:27:54 pm
I have just come back from a trip to my scales and I concur with Chris exactly.
If the water line is set correctly the MBD needs to be 9.4kg  :-))


FYI my batteries weigh 462grams each
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on October 17, 2019, 08:15:11 pm
Andy that does look a superb set-up and all seems to be progressing well. Plenty of helpful details, tips and advice for those other builders 'out there'. All the best with the weather and your planned test runs this weekend. Hopefully some 'footage' will appear and whet everyone's semi-scratch building appetites!
Kim
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 17, 2019, 09:18:34 pm
Thanks Kim
Latest news is the lake is still affected by algae so it wonít be happening the week  :((
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 19, 2019, 04:57:04 pm
I've just been looking through your photo CD Kim. What a fantastic collection  :-))   


I've been looking through mine too from Scarborough last year
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-jMgmSJ4/0/9d82dab0/X4/i-jMgmSJ4-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-9Rs3rpX/0/c995c505/X5/i-9Rs3rpX-X5.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-JNKrXNn/0/c9075c80/X4/i-JNKrXNn-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-gfKPjJg/0/8db6a27a/X4/i-gfKPjJg-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-wmCfNtg/0/2202c409/X4/i-wmCfNtg-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-pkHHTh7/0/310cfeb6/X4/i-pkHHTh7-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-3Rz5hkG/0/165e9433/X4/i-3Rz5hkG-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-rpFVcLn/0/d2407ca3/X4/i-rpFVcLn-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Netleyned on October 19, 2019, 05:40:02 pm
Great pics Andy  :-)) :-))


Ned
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 20, 2019, 04:57:44 pm
Thank you Ned, glad you like them I just have so many its a dilemma choosing the best.


Having seen some of Mr Plastic's latest Shannon commission pictures I have copied his tanking idea around the life raft housing to prevent water ingress on those much sought after rough sailing days


Used some of the GRP from cutting the hole in the deck


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-4CRB7jc/0/d59033ad/X3/B09F461B-71B3-4F8B-8CA3-9A74B99F9061-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-npnBTHB/0/56ea44a4/X3/D67F8AF3-CDC2-40D1-AC8B-557078800A3B-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 24, 2019, 10:15:43 pm
I've been asked a question to which I would also like some answers
When we come to attach the fender what adhesive are other builders using?


I want it secure but not such that its destructive if I want to pull them back off. I don't want it to tear the fendering.


My own deck with be attached with Stixall which I can separate with a blade if I really do need to take the deck off. This is why the fender would need to be removed.


suggestions invited please  :embarrassed:
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 26, 2019, 03:22:18 pm
My job for today is to scratch build the Starboard side forward ventilator.




Back plate
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-FLR8Fb9/0/b1b9be34/X3/07F37993-AA0D-4849-9897-E8DEE9CB21C6-X3.jpg)


Some mesh from stock
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-gDnCFJ8/0/344eb6a4/X3/1C47ADEB-DCE0-4E53-AA47-BE417512C9CF-X3.jpg)


Both 1mm styrene
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-pJC7Tj9/0/52dab81e/X2/7A18173E-D557-4C94-B292-974F69B394B8-X2.jpg)


Interior former 2mm
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-2VsWL9B/0/0ab36f13/X2/73BEE492-B1BE-4843-A37C-F7F85EB3980D-X2.jpg)


Sides 2mm
Mesh attached to 1mm styrene that I coated thinly with 5min epoxy and weighted down until set
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-7Cj2QQF/0/9368cb0d/X2/DEA2EFD7-736A-444B-9057-0A15580D6655-X2.jpg)
Leading edge 2mm styrene


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Hh2VKq5/0/2d5ea054/X2/0FECD493-14F4-4F8E-8BA4-ACBE61AEFBA5-X2.jpg)


Lid 1mm then sand to shape


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-tg29bGw/0/61db87f8/X2/34201ED7-82B9-4B79-8CED-6F043F46562C-X2.jpg)


Dressmakers pins
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-thQSgKc/0/b84e1037/X2/752FEED3-9CFA-41F0-B36A-2BFE7DC48A86-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-KdDn5RD/0/7df467cf/X2/1F554B84-EFD9-49C7-AEC7-5D31A40C6355-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-CCWQvkQ/0/578ea7f6/X2/73498C93-7A84-4F90-9191-F9F3F87C764C-X2.jpg)


Good enough for me, what next?
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-tdM6bWG/0/e1a23b55/X2/BCC0EB3B-2B2D-4368-9B05-0D0F95C77E36-X2.jpg)

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 26, 2019, 06:49:31 pm
A productive day still not over.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-tt3bRQV/1/0c712984/XL/7831EAC9-FBD7-4712-A6A4-055713F13E37-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-gJMSVNn/0/a62ff10b/XL/051140D6-A822-4ED7-8409-C79127CB37C4-XL.jpg)


This is the method I've adopted for creating grilles
A smear of epoxy before dropping the mesh
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-8NnZhjM/0/3913a731/XL/650755EA-68F1-48AE-BAF6-63850CB2AC5D-XL.jpg)


This just needs trimming to size and a frame making for it


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-CLDKPzr/0/d6c20321/XL/08F906DF-72FF-45BD-94D4-232CD11D9C5E-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 26, 2019, 09:14:40 pm
Enough today. Time for a Brandy  :-)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-ZNDwT2B/0/4b855e8f/L/4B45CA5C-AB57-4BB7-AC7A-CBDF3F2F070D-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-pRwBzB3/0/c9445859/XL/87A0F1F2-8414-495E-B010-2BC4C9608A63-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Mark T on October 26, 2019, 09:43:54 pm
I tell you what - that steel mesh was worth every penny.  Looks great and also looks very true to scale too  O0
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 26, 2019, 09:57:42 pm
Yes I bought a few sheets of different grades knowing I'd use it eventually but for my tug builds.
Not especially expensive and I posted it in What have you bought this week?  months back  :-))
The filter isn't exactly like for like but close enough for me  :-)
Cheers
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 26, 2019, 11:10:13 pm
Last photo today. Got to get ready for launch tomorrow


Managed to recreate the raised surround that is part of the cabin. Only minor detail left to add before paint


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-VzwbfGN/0/f4620b78/X3/1B239652-188C-4A21-A802-F3C6DF128330-X3.jpg)

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: mk1 on October 27, 2019, 06:27:29 am
Very nicely done hope all goes well today.
John
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 27, 2019, 06:57:19 am
Thank you John.
I've been up since 4:30 too  :-)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 27, 2019, 08:31:55 pm
Pump is now connected up and outlet fitted to coincide with an actual one on the yellow line


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-kJdp3mX/0/3a14d957/X3/B844FABD-7DF3-49F6-A5EF-2A5A23EC25E3-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-7pcnk5d/0/041b3827/X3/9C6608EB-F909-4645-9B5B-6AABA305F4CC-X3.jpg)


The pump was proven successful today
There was no noticeable evidence of water along the keel but clearly evidence of water in the suction pipe.
So it does the job without a fuss
The finished model will of course not let water in
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 29, 2019, 05:34:39 pm
Almost there
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-88wc4mJ/0/5e078eb7/XL/871DD1B5-9555-459C-B108-AD397A51A925-XL.jpg)


Difficult to spray with 5 colours but my filter is not fixed making it a little easier


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-frGfB5f/0/991fe97a/X4/ABD58D14-F421-4ED0-ACB9-0E4289A57417-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 30, 2019, 07:44:32 pm
My Danish friend Ole Bodker is really going to town on EXTRA details to his Speedline kit. This has lifted the bar considerably so I am myself trying a little harder even though I know my eyesight will not allow me to match his brilliance  %%  His pictures can be viewed on the Facebook group.


Meanwhile I have emphasised the details a little more on this
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-TVddfph/0/f7d86b7c/X3/8B678C02-6478-4BD3-BF4F-D091A005A33D-X3.jpg)


Primer on this highlights the grill which will simply be Orange with the flap in red.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-HnSKXRC/0/c04392b9/X3/646708F6-BE2A-4438-BC04-35BB099A9720-X3.jpg)


I'm focusing on port side details for a while


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-hnX4Hjn/0/6c350be8/X3/97BC0621-60A0-452A-BF2D-AD2A492D8086-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-rV7vpxW/0/4f72a2ae/X3/24C23BD7-50C9-459B-B87E-3FF569BD47C0-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-sGnnBMr/0/bba9dfa9/X3/2CA2C88E-923D-4652-8040-49BFCA9EDD55-X3.jpg)


Modified Speedline leftovers
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I will have to scratch make the brass fittings
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-NPkQnHr/0/7954174f/X3/01398D1E-EE5E-444D-BBD6-9B5BB84EB959-X3.jpg)




Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 31, 2019, 04:34:09 pm
Thought I'd try this today, nothing like mixing it up to keep interested.


Some sheet I bought as a mixed bundle for stock


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Mixed with 4 pieces of 1mm styrene to look like real item. PVA to create weld lines. Bolts yet to fit before primer


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-32NjhTP/0/1fced904/X4/CC286D7A-D614-4641-B618-C2FEFB47DC7C-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on October 31, 2019, 06:29:37 pm
A tip for those who haven't assembled ! The side panel comes with too small an opening to fit the fitting flush so consider this early on.


It took some effort to open it out in situ.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-7cGD2Xx/0/1791815e/X3/D395F4BF-B5CE-4024-9AA7-09B4D00DAB84-X3.jpg)


Fitting from the back view
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In position
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-QkVbxwt/0/9bd4511c/X3/CE1FFD0D-4696-4ECB-946D-2761134BC40D-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 01, 2019, 05:20:58 pm
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-N9Q4CxX/0/f1f51c48/X3/EA1DCF49-67F5-4DD0-BD57-21C18EC0AD65-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-MVHkfWn/0/9ff20a35/X3/1A2A4481-9978-41C5-95AB-72F1C688D4E2-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-43w3R2z/0/53703140/X3/A0881579-3A4A-4B95-8A49-E476BA4EC7D6-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-8nm754b/0/28a10262/X3/94DF80D5-AE44-42A0-A029-3DBEA85CF741-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-PCR2Tfv/0/663cbc0d/X3/CFF4FD88-DB47-473E-ABF4-C6023ED8B05B-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-56xLTm4/0/74fbac56/X3/7BBB2234-9C70-4F8F-AE8E-F7EC57EC0FE5-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-GW6v3V6/0/39a234e8/X3/DB2A07DF-8062-4933-9D55-BD0906404806-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 01, 2019, 08:39:43 pm
A reminder for you to buy the photo CD from Kim (all proceeds to RNLI) it really is priceless.


Using this as a guide
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-3L9rBL6/0/bf0b70e2/X3/77EBF492-EB46-4E40-AE02-E2F444C36C18-X3.jpg)


Bit by bit literaly recreate
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Xzt4p7C/0/18862dea/X3/D546F342-4AEF-4DF8-B3E8-F0682A2E3070-X3.jpg)

I don't expect things to work out mm perfect so long as it looks plausible
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-HLWSkHX/0/59c0018c/X3/A4182803-FD07-468A-9032-10334D7EF57D-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: me3 on November 01, 2019, 10:23:42 pm
Super build as usual! Just a heads up for other Shannon builders, the later boats have three sections of conduit running down the stbd side of the mast, it was a real pain to get all the cables down two! I guess it would make it easier to make the lights etc on the models easier.  Had the miss-fortune of wiring three masts for these!
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 01, 2019, 11:05:10 pm
Thank you  :-)


Iím still at it tonight as itís so engrossing when things go well


This will probably be Bridlington to stay in Yorkshire


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-DzTX3vS/0/7f181def/X3/9F4138DD-14FE-4844-8D58-B113DD005D88-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 02, 2019, 10:12:40 am
I had no idea how I was going to do this but this morning within 2 hrs it just evolved.


CA Styrene Brass Solder 2mm tap servo rod end and it works  :-)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-FhLscT6/0/b9ddf869/X3/B25D4879-EBA1-4F7C-9716-944CBC5C5E4E-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-9x8mP6J/1/9066a88e/X3/1950D503-8D96-4997-A969-BAB033E8E152-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-KwhKqkR/0/8b4ec8ae/X3/3EB6BE98-59C3-4CDC-8F5D-675825BD3A92-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-DmNxqXS/0/ea0a9cca/X3/FA58A084-10DF-4FD9-9DEE-D15E95902DB6-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 02, 2019, 11:27:36 am
The stay arm tab fitted (soldered)
First light coat of Tamiya Fine primer
Will be finished in bare metal silver


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-V99kvwH/0/6306a78f/X2/9503D6F3-AAE2-405D-921F-88BC7FF1E801-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: davidefoster on November 02, 2019, 04:38:55 pm
I am sure you must have posted it at least once before (but I can't find it!) but how & where does one contact Kim about the CD?
Many thanks.
David.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 02, 2019, 04:43:33 pm
Hi David
Canterbury Coxwain  :-))
https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=14570 (https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=14570)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Mark T on November 02, 2019, 05:03:41 pm
Top job on a difficult part.  I really like the way the soft solder imitates the welds something silver solder couldn't do.  Keep the photos coming  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 02, 2019, 05:21:34 pm
Thanks MarK  :-)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-K8KJ7gR/0/46b2783c/X3/41A555C4-F30E-4E0D-9229-BB50B316B446-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-6NXZRHM/0/710bcb32/X3/7571A8E1-D2B6-4A0C-AC02-51AFC7D778D8-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-6MjCrTv/0/7ade29d2/X3/ACADE370-3000-4E09-880D-E41DA741C9CA-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-TJXwWXb/0/ae049410/X3/C1C2E66F-E9FA-483B-A2AD-BE76EDB147B4-X3.jpg)




This is my mate Ole from Denmarks work. He's pushing everyones goals !  yes it is a Speedline but he is going the extra 100 miles in detail
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-gTw5G4g/0/44857522/X2/2FA66675-7BDB-4785-BA8F-7AE6728CD941-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-XhpV7hX/0/afc69c21/X2/62B0C3FC-4EDF-4730-BA1B-8C77374C4767-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-mZzmMJZ/0/d6c3f504/X2/4CFB4DEA-1821-4B8A-BA8C-9B4BB889F49B-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: davidefoster on November 02, 2019, 09:04:27 pm
Thanks Andy.
David.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 03, 2019, 10:47:52 am
Today I want to fill those big holes in the cabin. No not the windows {-)  the fuel fillers :-)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-dFjm274/0/dcd3991c/X4/19258098-BA78-4DC9-9D62-E90038E098FB-X4.jpg)


Incidentaly I love this drill, it's so smooth and with the aftermarket chuck very straight forwards with even the tiniest drill bits
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-5pxZfDM/0/b3811bae/X3/97715AAF-39F1-4B04-BF98-2DC70BDE5A61-X3.jpg)


Here I just drilled 0.8mm
Using 1.5mm styrene for the main structure and 0.75mm for the filler plate

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-TX8ttW3/0/e1bab0a6/X3/25EAFA02-E072-4897-9A86-F6C47611085B-X3.jpg)


EDIT just in time
These are the smallest bolts I can get hold of from Knupfer. They are a very snug push fit in the 0.8mm holes


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-m8qKz8r/0/35638fba/X3/0F2986CB-A580-4B3E-9618-6CF00CDE50E9-X3.jpg)





Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 03, 2019, 05:29:34 pm

Need another order with Knupfer for bolts

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-3H8WNbB/0/18f91159/X3/DB39CE36-6891-4AED-BE85-4D5921881B91-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-fPL4Mfb/0/2f6e3004/X3/B47C7A27-7192-4AC9-AC5D-CF8A3AB3F1C7-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-9FBRdzv/0/bd3d2921/X3/5B19EE29-8ADB-4E8F-9B5B-0727B22E63BA-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-d3D7fSx/0/c778b565/X3/B6F70A15-9C4B-4C6F-A2F5-035DD02FF361-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-pCxPFtr/0/bd082958/X4/46EF9919-3FAA-4EF6-BE61-CD57DA5C2F25-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on November 03, 2019, 06:14:41 pm
Andy,
The scratch built detail being added is really bringing your model 'to life'. Also, the build stages for the detail are allowing others to 'copy' - hence helpful to newcomers to the scratch building approach. As for the Survivors' Gantry, that is a little work of art!
Thanks for the 'promo' for the DVD of photos - two have been received and 'burnt off'. Into the Post tomorrow. Another £15 for the RNLI at Dungeness.
There will be a PM on its way to you later this evening.
Continue enjoying your build - it shows through! :-))
Kim
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 03, 2019, 06:41:21 pm
Thank you Kim
Yes I'm really enjoying developing ways to do things, it just seems to happen for me  {-)

NOTE for CD buyers. Be sure to transfer the folders to your PC hard drive. They will view much faster from there than from a CD

Not sure how I'll make the filler caps yet tho  %%


I started this morning with the intention of copying a surplus Speedline fuel filler but as soon as I referred to real photos I gave that idea up as they are very different


For general info, some people struggle with the Knupfer site being German but if you use Google Chrome browser it will change it all to English  :-))


Personally I pay by IBAN in euros but they do take Paypal
https://knupfer.info/shop/ (https://knupfer.info/shop/)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on November 03, 2019, 07:03:01 pm
Andy,
Regarding filler caps, it's worth going online for the 1/12th scale car fuel fillers [like on an AC Cobra], there might just be something there or even the 'truck' type sites [1/14th scale?]. Also, some of the Japanese car upgrade companies like Hobby Link Japan [HLJ] might just have something. Otherwise, when I get there, I might machine them in 'ali' and polish - the shine will keep and certainly see me out!!
Kim
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 03, 2019, 11:43:48 pm




(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-73w5WXP/0/b1eeae16/X2/i-73w5WXP-X2.jpg)


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initially fixed with CA then post picture surrounded with 5 min epoxy


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-ztB3rZW/0/fadc9449/X3/61EA1792-B184-4381-A99B-F8B1FF3F0E93-X3.jpg)


Feathered in ready for primer


The plate is detachable so can be fitted after orange coat etc
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-tnmtwv3/0/315826da/X4/BD4D8771-C0E7-42E7-AF5E-6ECDC35847F7-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 04, 2019, 09:01:23 pm
I'm pleased enough how these turned out with no sign of a join line. Tamiya primer is very good stuff.
Now the holes are filled I will leave further detail for another day.

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Zk4hFNM/0/36333ef6/X4/BE335300-E905-4A71-B3BB-E649F4B66C48-X4.jpg)


Attention turned to the aerial mast brackets

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-fQf7c5s/0/f163db56/X3/C4A93602-2F91-4C16-BF4C-7614D0F7128B-X3.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-cvM5N9t/0/668c8816/X3/982A6D0F-4B49-417D-85A2-0077C0B3E81B-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 05, 2019, 02:09:52 pm




(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-d2s4Bqp/0/0b3d724c/X4/234062A5-0E93-4ED0-8163-47280C5AB8BB-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-CWbhbVG/0/5cc9778b/X3/7B0C91D6-ED4A-46BE-81C4-2AD2E1812F8C-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-CvKDz3c/0/7563af57/X3/E778ADDE-3271-482E-B600-303994B0D977-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-cvC5KGR/0/5f0c54f1/X3/0A636E58-F68B-4043-9177-9FAA842995BC-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 05, 2019, 06:19:59 pm
Last night I prepared some brass rod with threaded ends in preparation to make those aerial knuckle fittings. A fortuitous trip to Leeds Model shop this morning resulted in the above instead. Much faster and I'm sure you'll agree that with chrome spray look very realistic.
This is Humbrol Chrome, is there a product I can protect it with to prevent tarnish?


The Graupner bits were £8.49 for 10


I put this in my watch list a while ago in response to forum posts.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ALCLAD-2-KLEAR-KOTE-GLOSS-ALC310/152882224287?var=453219652028
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: coch y bonddu on November 05, 2019, 10:13:23 pm
Hard as Nails by Sally Hansen Nail Varnish, Boots or any supermarket chemsits sell it,I use it all the time on fishing flies etc nad it is not affected by water
 




Dave
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 05, 2019, 10:14:15 pm
Thanks Dave
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: coch y bonddu on November 05, 2019, 10:30:57 pm
Knick some off the wife when she NOT looking ...and RUN LIKE HECK  O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0




Dave
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 06, 2019, 09:01:41 am
I'm in her good books today having spent half of yesterday doing jobs for her  O0
Someone just asked this morning where to get the hinges.


I bought here but anyone local can have my left overs at cost price http://www.modelshopleeds.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=30673&gclid=Cj0KCQiA-4nuBRCnARIsAHwyuPp1psYIvndKRX9VIeFCXpjmmlczQlH2ANPQTunNM3UjfMN7PSOSOxYaAl7eEALw_wcB
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 06, 2019, 07:49:12 pm
A bit of a struggle today, advice needed?
This styrene in not happy with any of these adhesives  :((   Could it be the age of it?
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-VvSFFTt/0/77af6be4/XL/5DA884B8-C9B6-4441-966F-C9CBE9B293C0-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-2SXpmL4/0/2457a708/XL/FD573C87-D2F9-4C3D-8724-ADFAFE97ECEE-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 07, 2019, 01:34:51 am
Lots of advice offered on the facebook group and I've opted for the suggestion of epoxy.
Not final fixed yet

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-TmHQGvW/0/91c6fc21/X3/A2F2B4DD-93DD-47D3-9501-3A65F21BEB18-X3.jpg)


Epoxy not too obvious internally supporting multiple faces
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-xgjt93c/0/cfd83cee/X2/EB85B973-E56D-42BD-877A-2CB0545F9940-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 07, 2019, 02:04:45 am
Now glued in place. Only time will tell how robust? but if they break I will put a SS servo rod right through with a nut and washer in the cabin


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-5t3gF6s/0/66c7a47b/X4/E82283D8-CC95-4E82-A646-918A3444E86F-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 07, 2019, 04:30:44 pm
Took a while to think of a way to make boat hook and Aerial stowage brackets but I think they will do. I could cut a slot in them yet. I've used a key hole shape so the rods snap into place securely.  3mm styrene 


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-qkDFP97/0/4b202cc1/X3/2138BDD8-BB6B-4AF6-8E71-6206A3C626F5-X3.jpg)


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(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-msFvSzB/0/3f74b4ff/X3/49F5823F-364A-41E2-944F-A0726C7F2056-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-JBHv2zj/0/8d32c6fa/X3/0652780A-644C-4BE2-B08E-6941C7543BA9-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-ftHBhwj/0/1c73ecb7/X3/F2AA3C59-6B4C-4395-A09B-55B95E37E8D6-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-3ShGmbc/0/8be51905/X4/D213F6BE-5F8F-4615-906C-0A18762F3498-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Wsvfzv8/0/d855a2d9/X4/CBFE5300-EA3F-4E9C-9C19-6718F32FC9BE-X4.jpg)
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Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 07, 2019, 11:17:01 pm
I've just placed another order with Knupfer and whilst browsing I found the brass profile that will do for the cable retainers on the bow keel I hope

A reminder that Google Chrome browser will translate this site
https://knupfer.info/shop/index.php/deutsch/profile-messing-feinprofile/messing-z/m-p-04.html (https://knupfer.info/shop/index.php/deutsch/profile-messing-feinprofile/messing-z/m-p-04.html)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 08, 2019, 02:01:50 pm

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Vv6CGn2/0/23644930/X3/C8D29192-7D42-43BD-B4D4-F3B5BB12166D-X3.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-wsR7F3L/0/316b8af8/X2/D9B39C78-08D0-4EB9-8345-0FB94321506C-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-trfgkg3/0/41e362ef/X2/C4D76874-CDE1-4E0B-A73F-147CDA9F200E-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-MMrjB7j/0/4fdf0a4c/X2/591C6298-2EEA-4331-ADB5-B1C32721C4D9-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-gLtr5k8/0/ee853856/X2/5230ECDF-8492-42D5-8842-840E21B4EFC6-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-qSfgF9C/0/d6e08881/X2/B2BE305C-13BA-4B46-A684-8C2CB0F308AA-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 08, 2019, 04:10:15 pm
I'm happy with these and I feel like making the TEE next so I can make the support arms to suit
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-77ZRmDM/0/f7545d9d/X3/995E2B30-B6DA-4E96-95BC-042ACBF4FAA2-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-rdTHKfg/0/f52df229/X3/DA3A1963-1B2E-4C77-B779-7EFA2791BAB6-X3.jpg)


Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Netleyned on November 08, 2019, 04:25:14 pm
Beautiful brackets Andy :-))
Ned
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 08, 2019, 04:27:20 pm
Thank you Ned. It's only recently that I've tried combining styrene and brass with CA. Seems to be holding up well and no heat involved which means no hours of cleaning up my soldering  {-)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Netleyned on November 08, 2019, 05:12:22 pm
 :-))
Ned
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 09, 2019, 02:23:01 pm
So on with the TEE
Started last night and it's by no means a 5 min job.
I opted for 3mm styrene as this gives plenty of meat for rounding the edges
pictures so far
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-sHz28FJ/0/5890c50c/X3/53A9BB02-49AD-4678-80F5-1C1C13430745-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-pgcknjz/0/99665b1c/X3/1DBBD8C2-F19F-43AE-9DB9-4CFB66D58934-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-nzcL6n8/0/3651b1f8/X2/4746D6B5-577A-4CE7-9801-D72DC682396B-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-JTLFrPv/0/1abc4655/X2/D7384210-4209-4126-8013-E766D45382B8-X2.jpg)


I used a semi circular profile cut into quadrants for this


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Wkw4QTd/0/4ced6c82/XL/8847BA5D-AB81-4BFC-8D4C-0C7A095629FD-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 09, 2019, 03:58:22 pm
This is the best way to prepare for making the side support arms
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-m5NvLbv/0/d47b9b94/X3/46CABD52-2E26-431D-BD06-17FECA3FD860-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-JVhcq5z/0/11b8bd27/X3/F27C156A-A5BA-40B8-96C0-AF11178921C8-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-8f4wRqx/0/e1435d3f/X3/A25CDFCA-B9F7-464C-8812-ECFAB8F79D8A-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-BvccHQm/0/8918ad68/X3/A4EA409E-A569-4B74-BDE1-D282A5508479-X3.jpg)

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 09, 2019, 07:01:56 pm

This is 4mm or more accurately 3.97 mm brass rod K&S
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-KBN3G9P/0/0142d934/X3/7BDE6996-BDBB-4FD5-B753-62ABB9F403EF-X3.jpg)

Thin brass rod used to find correct angle
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Wxj4dGJ/0/eddf519a/X3/87AF5F68-2B5C-4A9A-816F-15ED00D89177-X3.jpg)

4mm tube used for hydraulic arm attachment points
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-rtgVgQS/0/5df9dbef/X3/16FCF3C0-2567-4240-82A0-08E3C6D72265-X3.jpg)

Fixed in position with 5 min epoxy
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-WNWBWmh/0/7fb202e3/X3/BF93A0F6-F5E5-41FA-81B4-61B767285712-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-PVqnGxx/0/4a2772b2/X3/2F6D9F02-30E7-4EF0-8DCE-5501646C8D95-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 09, 2019, 11:55:04 pm




(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-MDXtcqT/0/2f525c9d/XL/934D32EB-6B11-499F-B3CB-1A9CB7C37D0D-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-FrLpxb7/0/b94132bc/XL/CA64BF51-DCDC-4D5C-8CA9-D422E5729BA5-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-scx64JJ/0/7698e627/XL/999054F4-6E89-453D-A63A-9FC1CFEF9DF1-XL.jpg)

Distance from cabin roof to underside of TEE = 75mm
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-gGQWVRg/0/c407ef58/X3/5226D971-3BE6-4427-9B16-3ABC69853830-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-2QZVXLs/0/d53159e3/X4/BFC6FDB0-E4FC-4E39-889B-B1FF153CCDA1-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 10, 2019, 04:50:11 pm



(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-ZknW4m3/0/10c6a937/X3/32208251-5499-41E9-BE98-A38462B2AE7C-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Dbdq9Dg/0/e803cea6/X3/D4A8E85B-8B17-48E9-B818-7675B1984136-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-zjswbZJ/0/eef4100e/X3/689E608B-5839-4658-BA81-321A61B29BD2-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-cfhpZbp/0/e776d8e1/X3/4A818AF0-0E01-4C7A-8DCD-D3920B59A858-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-wS92Wd2/0/a8196f2a/X3/AF8ED8E3-9AF9-42CA-8B0B-EA9E9C345127-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 11, 2019, 01:59:03 pm
Sometimes developing a method is like wading through mud but I think I've solved the next step.


K&S box profile


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-RT37z9T/0/e5faf621/X3/9FD38183-DF15-4D54-B8A4-34CD66BFDECC-X3.jpg)


Painstakingly filled out to a C section
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-32SMSdg/0/626316ce/X3/90152E75-A99C-4B0E-B03D-EA6CA4B1D17A-X3.jpg)


To fit three pieces of Styrene comfortably so it slides without being sloppy


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-6MHTWRD/0/651d53a8/X3/CBAA7FF0-A60C-403E-A5F2-0CEBCD8C8226-X3.jpg)


So now I have something to build upon with soldered parts. This will of course be drilled to look like the real deal
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-TXZrghK/0/2e00a605/X3/56918437-2C78-42F1-8E2A-93CC6F2408F0-X3.jpg)


Also started on the top anchors
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-hMJhGCn/0/cf15e51d/X3/A44EE7AA-025D-4F72-AA2B-E5B1A079B3B1-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 11, 2019, 06:36:11 pm




(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-hnVHxtq/0/d118b61b/X3/57B4A4DE-B814-4A63-8269-85392F0A4294-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-G7FPBVv/0/403bd760/X3/9638C29D-3501-45FA-BF99-71C3BEA733A6-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-KrHvXmZ/0/06325f8f/X3/C0626914-671F-4C7C-AB3D-EDDC87D83E0D-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Qh3R96x/0/72c64263/X3/17B1507F-0D09-4218-805C-08727AFD51BD-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-mVQwxvk/0/ee8ca158/X3/54DF6A53-8B95-4242-AEF8-99118CD3B858-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 12, 2019, 09:02:55 am
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-KjJ93BQ/1/49b741ba/XL/AB3C1EEC-4FDC-4F61-8502-A115B3FC110F-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-97Fqvk4/1/6b85accc/X2/8E52CA48-FD21-4410-8DAB-955CFC513468-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-rx2BvvZ/1/41263cd6/X2/329CFBDC-101A-4376-9C90-47FA248413DB-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-WQkqLVm/0/50bc87c5/X3/396233BA-86F1-496B-A439-C19FEC3CE55F-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-BGdXSTC/0/037357ac/X4/8EF94A53-123B-4E1D-A412-636B9032B8B4-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: derekwarner on November 12, 2019, 10:37:27 am
Flooding solder on brass after pre-tinning is such fun  :-)) ........... Derek
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 12, 2019, 12:54:57 pm

 :-) 



<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/I6YVzYmiqfE" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 12, 2019, 04:47:26 pm




(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-WshhRNW/0/269a4f6e/X4/A887CE3C-04BA-4EED-B9A7-5CA86A911101-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-kKB9Nbb/0/562f75a0/X4/197ED6EF-C5CA-4424-B98E-8485BC0AC6DF-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 12, 2019, 05:54:52 pm




(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-PbsGLZJ/0/783c88d5/X3/E47EFC0C-C79E-4685-A3DA-31092E59B848-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-XqQQM4M/0/62303044/X3/9B416D0F-5E58-4224-83F2-6CDFA2AAB5B6-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-LBJVWmk/0/659de61a/X4/436669BD-3EAC-42E4-9647-B90691BA10BA-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: The Old Fart on November 13, 2019, 09:03:00 am
Found this a while back, lots of information.


https://www.panopticmotion.co.uk/virtual-tour/ilfracombe-rnli-virtual-tour/ (https://www.panopticmotion.co.uk/virtual-tour/ilfracombe-rnli-virtual-tour/)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 13, 2019, 09:09:56 am
Yes itís a cracker that one  :-))  thanks for adding it Dave
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 13, 2019, 10:20:42 am


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-b3mpqtX/0/1190f253/X4/DA7357C5-BC9E-40EF-9A11-AEEA468B9D9E-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-5D7RX6D/1/6ff50cd0/XL/DA7357C5-BC9E-40EF-9A11-AEEA468B9D9E-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Cornishman on November 13, 2019, 01:37:56 pm
 Great work!
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 14, 2019, 11:11:21 am
Thank you Cornish  :-)  encouragement always welcome


There are so many things to make that often there is delay in deciding what next but that keeps it interesting. Being in a rush is definately a big negative to be avoided


The head protector cushion made and fitted.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-rg4rbDM/0/31e92cb5/X4/DF645CCC-7483-40E3-A5D2-B6B939C09ADA-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-SjZVxTG/0/74e02f6b/X3/F161393E-2D25-4AE0-B5CF-C98B722DC9EB-X3.jpg)


Edit
I forgot this picture earlier for other builders. I fitted a 7mm deep styrene all around the inner edge to space the lower lids just proud and then sanded them flush. Total thickness 13mm or so
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Z8cktQd/0/93836ca0/X4/16FC094B-8180-44ED-B01D-079964F4BF94-X4.jpg)


More pictures


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-vnV6Cwh/0/82165b98/X3/9BF289F9-AA82-45C7-A362-B2D82987FCC5-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-RnLTPt6/0/bc692564/X3/A8FEC96A-BA55-4112-B86B-471FE1CCC769-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-C66XcrZ/0/804ee1d4/X3/8CD348A4-E55F-4653-93A7-45FC96EC3ACC-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Cornishman on November 14, 2019, 03:53:23 pm
    Having built a few boats, my lifeboats being a Model Slipway Trent and my last boat, a M S Tamar, which I donated to Padstow RNLI,  I can appreciate the work require to produce a good model.  I modified my Tamar with opening stern door, lowerable mast and aerials,and working radar and lights.
    I always had plenty of good comments, but to see the detail you put on your builds I am so impressed.
Have you built other RNLI boats, and if so do you have any pictures we can see?


   I am sure you could build a brilliant launching carriage and tractor for your model. Any thoughts?








Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 14, 2019, 04:37:21 pm
Thank you.
I'm a relatively new modeller. Two of my builds can be viewed via the links at the bottom.
I have largely built a 1:12 Speedline Shannon but got stalled with it having started this MBD. I am much preferring my new found ability to magic parts up  :-)  I may finish the Speedline after this.
Launching carriage etc would be great but I have more models to build than years left so I don't know

She sails fine and this was her state earlier this year
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-z6x3DM8/0/63eb63de/X4/i-z6x3DM8-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-sxrq5t8/0/f190a7df/X4/i-sxrq5t8-X4.jpg)


My first love
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgrath/-1/i-zLkbtjh/0/6cf784cc/X4/F647CCCE-7122-467C-9C62-CE0DB2BD4BD0-X4.jpg)


My second completed in a very enjoyable 6 weeks or so
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Midwest-Booth-Bay-Lobster-boat/i-C3SWwsf/0/e9991db6/X3/9B4F90B1-391D-40BE-A5E4-0DF9A5234965-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 14, 2019, 05:04:49 pm
Last pictures this week. Wife is in charge tomorrow onwards  :((


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-f49SxPH/1/a9224c75/XL/6747FD8E-7CAC-488D-8E98-43C0BE45638F-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-8WRpd57/0/324f9c9a/XL/89F50FB9-39FA-41C3-9B9A-5AD339446D27-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-bs54STC/0/867bb673/XL/9EDDA59D-1DB2-462F-80CF-9E67060DC996-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-3ZHhJHp/0/47f9592e/X3/F742B51F-2518-472D-85E1-5C36632B5E4B-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-7HhxP4X/0/2f2f5e2c/X3/A5A32726-B718-4B02-AC21-BC6C9A76B984-X3.jpg)


P.S.  Cornishman. I have a Shannon builders group on facebook where everyone shares if you want to join
https://www.facebook.com/groups/220509768718588/580295319406696/?comment_id=580335902735971&reply_comment_id=580338042735757&notif_id=1573725328555697&notif_t=group_comment

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: coch y bonddu on November 14, 2019, 05:10:10 pm
Could you not radio control the lift and fall of the gantry using a linear servo mounted under the deck ???


Dave
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 14, 2019, 05:10:58 pm
The Shannon has a manually operated Mast


Introducing a servo rod that doesn't belong would make the level of detail a bit of a waste of time. However you're not the first to suggest this and I understand the line of thought.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-C66XcrZ/0/804ee1d4/X3/8CD348A4-E55F-4653-93A7-45FC96EC3ACC-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Charlie on November 14, 2019, 06:03:40 pm
Love the clarity of your photos. Phone or Camera?
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 14, 2019, 06:06:53 pm
Love the clarity of your photos. Phone or Camera?


Iphone 11 pro max  :-))  cheers Charlie
The bigger clarity and choice of photo sizes is mainly due to my own picture hosting
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 14, 2019, 06:21:18 pm
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 14, 2019, 08:06:46 pm
Supplies tip
I mostly buy from Knupfer but these are much cheaper here
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/M1-M1-2-M1-6-M2-M2-5-A2-STAINLESS-MACHINE-SCREWS-CSK-COUNTERSUNK-SLOTTED-BOLTS/111753772101?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=410748822911&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/M1-M1-2-M1-6-M2-M2-5-A2-STAINLESS-MACHINE-SCREWS-CSK-COUNTERSUNK-SLOTTED-BOLTS/111753772101?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=410748822911&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649)

For styrene use a 0.8mm drill bit and no need to tap a thread with M1 screws
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 14, 2019, 08:33:46 pm
Another supplies tip
I find the these sheradised steel washers will solder (Knupfer) impossible to find in brass
They are 2.7mm by 8mm and perfect for grab rail roses if you solder from the back. I will demonstrate when I make mine.


Centre punch for mock fixings
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-tZGxMCh/0/f82d7abd/X2/2DA36CE6-B545-47AD-B23A-30C5E5588848-X2.jpg)


The locking lever was made from 10mm 90 brass
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-58TdtTs/0/716076b3/X3/7521940F-9808-4360-A649-C541CB8EC7CE-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 14, 2019, 08:53:01 pm
I'm now looking at the rare parts I would struggle to make from scratch so this video is a starting point. Any contributions to that end are very welcome




https://youtu.be/BwLGK-uqQ90
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Martin [Admin] on November 14, 2019, 09:35:00 pm
 
   :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 14, 2019, 09:40:24 pm
Thank you Boss  :-)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 14, 2019, 10:38:16 pm
Final post until Monday
If anyone has an unbuilt or even part started kit please post here or message me
There are people waiting to buy and weíve managed to source two this week already
Donít let it gather dust! There are buyers waiting
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: derekwarner on November 15, 2019, 12:46:33 am
Andy.....not trying to teach a principal, however if you drill an on size hole [same as the brass vertical rod] into an aluminium block, this provides a square level surface for placing the washer prior to soldering....yes on the top surface of the washer


The soft solder does not stick or adhere the the aluminium surface....you can also transcribe vertical angles to suit the progressive up-rise fore & aft of the hull surface, together with a MS steel wire placed for athwart rise of hull


Derek 
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Cornishman on November 15, 2019, 07:04:22 am
   Thank you , Andy, I would like to join your Facebook group. I have submitted a request.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: derekwarner on November 15, 2019, 07:56:14 am
Hold on Mister, have you sent your $10.25 non-refundable joining fee?  O0 ..........[well worth joining to see the x-tra photos]  :-))  Derek
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: The Old Fart on November 15, 2019, 02:18:50 pm
Have received my MBD Shannon, and ordered the Ocean Works drives.
2 frsky X8R receivers also arrived. HK delivering X9E on Tuesday.


Nice Winter Project.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 17, 2019, 12:29:10 pm
Thanks for the tip Derek  :-)
Back on the job early for good behaviour

Here I've added some more detail for the radar and speaker mounting points. The pictures also share "my" measurements


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Pg3SWWX/0/f1df4234/X2/CEF20498-E18A-414D-A6A1-CDEB042F515A-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-SzKPR4v/0/ed71a01f/X2/37C33865-7EE4-44D3-9172-B3C041682CF8-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-mnFcHDB/0/2e63d10c/X2/84ACD19C-9554-4D78-AE5C-787DB6CB8978-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Mark T on November 17, 2019, 01:50:06 pm
Just catching up after a busy week - some really nice brass work there Andy and I agree its much nicer making your own bits.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 17, 2019, 02:18:15 pm
Thanks Mark
It's always such a shame to hide it  :((  but these will simply be black


Nice thin coat of Tamiya FINE primer
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-RDN5hwN/0/37490908/X3/E0A91694-2493-464B-89FC-F1AD693F81EA-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: SailorGreg on November 17, 2019, 04:01:25 pm
Final post until Monday
If anyone has an unbuilt or even part started kit please post here or message me
There are people waiting to buy and weíve managed to source two this week already
Donít let it gather dust! There are buyers waiting

I guess you already know about this one (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RNLI-Shannon-Lifeboat-Model-Boat-Models-By-Design-1-12/133240672572?hash=item1f05c3513c:g:iIYAAOSwrcRdzsUW)? 

Greg
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 17, 2019, 05:03:51 pm
Yes thanks anyway  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 17, 2019, 08:55:52 pm
Grab rails
I've bent each end to fit the outer holes and soldered the two centre stabs whilst in place.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-JC7rd7b/0/f000bf67/X3/3937BD70-F8DE-47E7-A6AE-7AE27B38DF14-X3.jpg)


The washers from Knupfer
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-TShCsFS/0/a04585c5/X2/7B053286-313F-4E36-9CAD-F8CDF6E4CC30-X2.jpg)


Centre punched then finished with a 1.5mm drill bit to a uniform depth once fitted.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-6t9sZZR/0/8295a3e2/X2/30364512-7D2E-4327-B3D4-7B40DCB12EB7-X2.jpg)


I've opted for a no heat method and slow CA works ok but I have not stuck them to the cabin


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-W2JNNJH/0/ac66e0d0/X2/9EE2156C-82D1-41D0-A27F-C04E628E7317-X2.jpg)


The wood spacer will be used throughout


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-pP2Gk7P/0/3464cfa9/X2/382FC81A-705A-431B-AEB6-A0031DC5F3EF-X2.jpg)

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: The Old Fart on November 17, 2019, 09:03:50 pm
I fitted circular spring clips to hold the grab rails in place. makes for clean removal if required.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 17, 2019, 09:05:28 pm
They are tight enough Dave I have to pry them off. Good idea tho
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 18, 2019, 10:32:28 am
This is working ok for me so will continue with this method


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-KdKqTgS/0/bb5d0bfc/X4/6EC75A56-6870-40E5-A456-89E0BAA8E814-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-3BTBDhS/0/44c140b7/X3/E8C0286A-A9F3-4689-AC32-8877AE39B232-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-m9hthrC/0/4b72dbb9/X3/98BAD778-11B8-46C4-A651-22AD4AD09A1D-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-FZgnvxP/0/91835a3b/X3/51D99C10-A81B-4315-A25F-D00FF9AD255D-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-7QfzG59/0/253c1063/X3/4394BFD6-AEF6-4FC9-95CC-2BE86C2CBD09-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: The Old Fart on November 18, 2019, 10:36:58 am
looking good. Is that 1/8" rod?
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 18, 2019, 11:48:19 am
Thanks
No the grab rails are 2.5mm
They were 2.7 on the Speedline but I find that size impossible to locate anywhere
Bow stern and stanchions are 1/8 or 3.18
Some use larger than that


Just the roses to make and fit now
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-LkVP5qq/0/48392c57/X3/472C1D33-DEEA-4ACF-973A-0A2F0F5EA03B-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 18, 2019, 12:44:49 pm
Finished in bare metal silver, I think the partially drilled roses work well


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-RpPrn2D/0/8fb74c51/X4/F2E4C438-9635-4D98-BAD0-2484F5464E83-X4.jpg)


Started side rail
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-DGqC9MF/0/3c465cbe/X3/172F8F4E-4E8A-4895-9DE9-8D47237F632E-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 18, 2019, 04:52:11 pm
Looking a bit busier
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-cn6FqFZ/0/c32a380a/X4/37D10AF2-7938-428A-A439-CB00849F95D7-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon (Aerial/Antennae actual dimensions)
Post by: Taranis on November 18, 2019, 06:36:42 pm
Divide by 12


Info courtesy of John Huntley 13-15 crew  :-)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-W2wkdvh/1/41a1624b/X3/C71D2799-F17A-4678-B1A4-567AFCAD5B42-X3.png)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-C3j4s5T/1/2e75f138/X3/19FE7886-C2CB-40E4-8513-9A54A846D831-X3.png)


Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 18, 2019, 10:40:18 pm
I thought at this stage I would check the fit of the windows and I'm pleased to say they score very highly indeed


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-77z2j8B/0/16c15584/X3/9A7A0C88-D6B8-4E5E-B1D3-4B0A3E0E2976-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 19, 2019, 08:32:22 am
The only issue that stands out with my windows is front centre. Possibly may vary from plug to plug?


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-PxT2QP4/0/1ae2d73a/X3/674F1278-D83A-4C27-96A1-FFB32B165D4A-X3.jpg)


This was easy to make good. Applying extra masking tape to the window and frame, filled with squadron white putty in stages removing the frame each time to prevent sticking.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-9C77VD5/0/788332ed/X3/2D234862-61E1-4E39-9877-D9FF4C86BB1E-X3.jpg)


Just the tiniest of fettling to do and primer


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-trjDswP/0/48640a18/X3/F57DC0F6-1E8D-4144-A696-57704FE756BC-X3.jpg)


A long way off yet but I don't imagine gluing the glazing to the frames as they are a stretch fit. I envisage fitting the units into a bed of black silicon and rubbing the squeeze out off when set. I will spray the frames black first. Fitting will be the very last job after cabin is complete in finished colours
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: The Old Fart on November 19, 2019, 08:39:19 pm
Deck lighting in the side of the cabin. Suitable leds with wire, £6.50 for 20. The holders, Ole has used speedline parts, but unless the chap that moulds them carries on then they will need making.


My idea would be to turn down a black acetal nylon rod and drill a hole through the middle.


Any other ideas?
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: mk1 on November 19, 2019, 11:10:03 pm
Hi I used dome shaped rivets.
John
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 20, 2019, 11:47:30 am
Have you any pictures of these rivets John? I can't visualise what they look like before you did your magic


EDIT
????? https://www.accu.co.uk/en/button-head-solid-rivets/177718-HRB-2-6-A4-BL
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: The Old Fart on November 20, 2019, 12:38:45 pm
Presume they are unlit.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 20, 2019, 12:40:47 pm
Presume they are unlit.
No John has drilled them
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: The Old Fart on November 20, 2019, 12:51:32 pm
nice.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 20, 2019, 06:20:53 pm
Grab rail roses. This is my method, I made a styrene template to mark the centre punch points with an indelible pen.


I then punch the marks followed by a 1.5mm drill in a pin vice.
I then fit and superglue whilst spaced off a uniform distance.
The aftermarket CA applicators are very useful


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-5Bt3mqn/0/74d6e84d/X3/2013A3F1-3B83-48BF-8212-DE93A904F03A-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-sk5rvZ7/0/f832ec5f/X3/6E9E4214-FCBC-4627-A2D7-A551AE097263-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-BtbRmzL/0/80904e0e/X3/13E18245-F64E-469B-BD5B-1D7274DF24E1-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-cgtB5bX/0/875a31c1/X3/AFCF9116-7549-42C7-BB31-0372007CAEA7-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: The Old Fart on November 20, 2019, 06:28:10 pm
Started my MBD today, fitted those dangley bits underneath.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 20, 2019, 06:32:35 pm
Started my MBD today, fitted those dangley bits underneath.
You best learn how to post pictures  O0
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 20, 2019, 07:01:01 pm
How I do my grab rail stabs Soldering


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-HRzZrd6/0/4295dacb/X3/470CD8AD-C44A-4725-AD28-F7C4216C949A-X3.jpg)

This is essential to ensure flow into the joint.
Soft soldering is not weak if done correctly and it is certainly strong enough for the job being asked of it.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-32GKTjq/0/5f857372/X3/7FBA7597-D0A8-4646-8FE1-02590D66B4ED-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-DhTZjqw/0/d949948d/X3/9370496C-96AB-49A7-B096-E8209B25DCF4-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-FC2SNdH/0/2f222c54/X3/267E3529-92F3-40DC-A19C-1E18879A81EA-X3.jpg)


I never take this below 480
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-tHJ2hkx/0/d3e589be/X3/B7BEFED3-3AB4-4BCD-97E7-487A078BC685-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-jRSB4SM/0/a8299543/X3/1C1838C9-47C1-4296-899E-D470349DBA55-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-r7qRQDt/0/718102a2/X3/9CFB422C-B91B-443D-B1A9-6AF49B3C20A3-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-JH2FVNz/0/ad1cb67d/X3/FAB5E4FB-6E52-475F-9282-6D7B14135E24-X3.jpg)


End game
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-LbnPXSD/0/fc97f2ba/X3/6FC02C4F-E088-4265-B030-3DA88577A599-X3.jpg)


Beer o'clock
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-s8HGrc5/0/ed3635dd/X3/872D04D3-FFA7-495D-A471-9AA89DD520F4-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: RST on November 20, 2019, 07:31:42 pm
Ha, you do same as me pretty much though I doubt I clean -up after as good as you. I had no problem soft soldering and even using plumbers flux after 20+ years nothing corroded or fell apart -yet. Of course silver soldering is ultimately better, but horses for courses and available workshop etc. Just make sure the brass etc is clean and roughed up and cleaned after. I use clip-on heat sinks to prevent damage to plastic (or crocodile clips wrapped in wet tissue), or on balsa jigs, keep adding water to stop burning.  Whatever works!
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 20, 2019, 07:36:58 pm
 :-))


Far more important is having the bends and junctions in the right place before making it permanent. This is so much easier soldering in situ  O0


A complicated structure as pictured is not as weak as one solder joint rather it is as strong as its multiple joints working together.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-JgX8G8V/0/5584d361/X4/17E674AF-93A1-418E-9F78-222CB2CF48DF-X4.jpg)



Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: mk1 on November 20, 2019, 11:02:09 pm
Hi Andy the rivets I used are just like the ones you show the only difference is they were aluminium ones. I drilled them and put a 1mm fibre optic cable in them and several cables went to 1 LED bulb. This time I am going to look at fixing a small LED into the end of the rivets.
John
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 21, 2019, 10:15:12 am
These might be a goer ?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-8-Diameter-Solid-Brass-Snap-Head-Rivets-1-2-5-8-3-4-1-or-1-1-4-Long/162083754881?_trkparms=aid%3D1110001%26algo%3DSPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131231084308%26meid%3Dc017d595379b46cd9f6f4de1b5be6b8b%26pid%3D100010%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D12%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D300927597999%26itm%3D162083754881%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2047675&_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: The Old Fart on November 21, 2019, 10:22:33 am
They look very good. Could use the 'lighthouse' leds. Couldn't use the bright 0402 leds that Ole suggested. Leds would short out.



Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 21, 2019, 10:24:58 am
Very careful drilling but I'm sure we could do it  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: The Old Fart on November 21, 2019, 10:31:43 am
The 0402 have bare contacts at either side,  will short out,


If we can find plastic ones, they will work.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 21, 2019, 12:24:30 pm
4.2mm head dia
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/100Pcs-Nylon-Push-Clips-Rivet-Fastener-Black-for-2-1-2-8mm-Thickness-Panel/301851495639?hash=item4647c04cd7:g:xo8AAOSwPB9dVN5j
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: The Old Fart on November 21, 2019, 12:29:56 pm
Close, prefer shape of the metal ones.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 21, 2019, 06:40:44 pm
That's the cabin sides and roof rails complete bar painting

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-DCXdxRD/0/b676d8ac/X2/332654C2-73D0-4AE0-A2C5-CF528DB84915-X2.jpg)


(https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/77169088_10157585560467593_1790108129493516288_o.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_ohc=S5W_ltaiex4AQkVd30wcejMW3sf5F4o7MkHOk93tY1dLBb_encoaqlU0A&_nc_ht=scontent-lht6-1.xx&oh=d91eb2f9d514515550b8108b17e519dd&oe=5E884E1C)


Now the Cabin front rails
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-gLWCX9X/0/27f360cf/X2/6C933E83-BB73-4CE3-8F45-A9596B578AE2-X2.jpg)


I use many tactics to enable soldering at the correct angles. It's important that the verticals are vertical regardless of the sloping deck


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-gm5pXWg/0/982d8b09/X3/93A2475E-D12B-4BE8-ACD0-A4AFEDE0C655-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-N9CqLXq/0/670f1454/X3/A21D02D5-F91C-400A-A1ED-9E5ACA4988F2-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Qb9MP3B/0/8c62135c/X3/C44FB9B6-4C2A-4348-8DB8-B4040B393C9D-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-4tskvKb/0/553d57f7/X3/5B9DC8F0-8246-422F-977C-754779F1DC53-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-XCbXRPF/0/f68e429e/X3/171339C3-4EE1-444F-8704-124B03E97899-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-86243sC/0/7d895d94/X3/AC5E3A37-8834-417A-A427-54A86D778555-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: ChrisH1981 on November 21, 2019, 08:20:56 pm
Peeepo! Just to let you know im also following you on here andy! I like the first picture showing the inside of the port side wheelhouse, just the picture angle i was looking for!
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 21, 2019, 09:01:04 pm
This is the best place to follow Chris. All the better quality pics are here, Facebook compresses them


I've made a 3 hole template for the next roses
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-2qs8Jkk/0/9d43e417/X3/3C31888D-7641-4DA5-8D18-46264E625C93-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-KMQ7mQc/0/ecbb50d8/X3/921D98E2-8F56-4D35-9A72-1E5F91BEB14E-X3.jpg)


10 more to make and straighten up as each one fitted.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-2tpFPF3/0/8f0ff0d9/X3/AA71A2D7-CDE7-4399-A328-B0FABCEA3A65-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 22, 2019, 01:44:59 pm
I though I'd expand on my rose making
Washer located beneath to mark with pen
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-MZNdPQv/0/a307fab6/X3/43DCAFBD-7F32-47B1-87B3-EA1A184DE312-X3.jpg)


Centre popped
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-vTLRtNr/1/a7057b6e/M/2B1FD7BA-0B93-4FF0-8EC4-66B90B281235-M.jpg)


After some twizeling with 1.5mm bit
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-dQrnk8P/1/02176b8f/L/2DD706B2-2454-4815-A7FD-B34777E7B035-L.jpg)


Turn over and hammer flat
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-F5kNVkB/0/4b18321d/X3/21E23CBF-A633-4FE7-982F-C748CBB4703D-X3.jpg)


Reason why they can only be fixed whilst in position


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-D7WxC8c/0/a15c9455/X3/9CF7F64B-D92B-412F-B15A-E0D03F33F875-X3.jpg)


Eye up through bow railings to check upright


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-pCFGMcV/0/a2862f34/X3/BA762D24-EF44-4F4A-AE21-784492571D33-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-rsvpP5T/0/e70933d9/X3/3A7A26A3-8F6B-4AD5-A162-98E6BFEB7186-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-L2rq4nC/0/ab74d687/X3/D5FED536-0029-455F-9978-2907D072E817-X3.jpg)


Will be fixed from below with a dab of stixall when all painting complete


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-kdXRwhK/0/170186b0/X3/CF904AC8-3AD1-4A4A-8586-011FAD1AD4DC-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on November 22, 2019, 02:28:19 pm
Andy,
Your model is progressing so well and the various fixtures and fittings will give an overall great finish. What I really did like, though, was your process of making the working telecomms tower mechanism, which looks pretty scale-like and realistic, whilst at the same time robust in its operation. I might well be using the same approach - when I get there - but using my black Delrin rods milled to the shape required for a few parts. This does allow for the 'collapse' method of transport, thereby concealing the model away from prying eyes when travelling, and also be able to display it like most Shannons would be like when in their boat houses, but at the same time a quick and easy [realist] raise and lock-off if required when on display. I think a lot of folk will benefit from a lot of your ideas and processes, even if a few then make their own slight tweeks and modifications.
This Forum really does benefit from builds such as this. Keep up the good work and photography - so detailed.
Kim
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 22, 2019, 03:52:58 pm
Thank you my friend  :-)


A couple of big ones
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-zSK4S57/0/b5ba0b3c/X4/C0DB2466-BFBE-4919-96A2-C96B60440569-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-c7vCGFD/0/801a4c6a/X4/CA1BD812-92B6-480B-A5DE-A614F2D0C83B-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 22, 2019, 04:17:09 pm


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-dpfZNSL/0/0ab3d584/X4/1C712179-8EFD-4EE7-B55E-56EB51FCB4A2-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-RZvRJbt/0/0ca8bf3b/X4/6E82B829-E7F6-438D-A2D0-03AD973831A3-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: The Old Fart on November 22, 2019, 06:47:12 pm
First attempt for deck lighting. Plastic holder.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 22, 2019, 06:53:55 pm
Got any links for the parts?  O0
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: The Old Fart on November 22, 2019, 06:55:43 pm
Proxxon FD 150/E   




https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Acetal-Acrylic-Nylon-PTFE-Round-Rod-Bar-2mm-to-30mm-Diameter-Various-Lengths/323774950411?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=512767093530&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Acetal-Acrylic-Nylon-PTFE-Round-Rod-Bar-2mm-to-30mm-Diameter-Various-Lengths/323774950411?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=512767093530&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649)




https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/20pcs-Mutil-color-T0603WM-T0402-1206-Pre-soldered-Micro-Litz-Wired-Leads-SMD-Led/331809275400?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=540904976179&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/20pcs-Mutil-color-T0603WM-T0402-1206-Pre-soldered-Micro-Litz-Wired-Leads-SMD-Led/331809275400?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=540904976179&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649)

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 22, 2019, 08:07:35 pm
Interesting Dave however the pictures are so blurred that itís not obvious how youíve done it
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: The Old Fart on November 22, 2019, 08:16:49 pm
turned the plastic down in the lathe and drilled hole up the middle.



Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 22, 2019, 08:48:19 pm
Could it be turned down in a drill chuck ?
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: The Old Fart on November 22, 2019, 08:58:02 pm
With your skill possibly. But I wouldn't manage it. The plastic rod described cuts very cleanly in the lathe. Drilling the hole in the middle is easy in the lathe.

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 22, 2019, 08:59:03 pm
Is it drilled at an angle to point at the deck ?
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: The Old Fart on November 22, 2019, 09:07:39 pm
Drill straight up the middle, then a bit of free hand angle drilling once the dome has been formed. Led can be push in and rotated to fit in the dome. Possibly a dab of super glue to hold led in place. Taking the dimension from SL left overs. Will try and find actual size of the dome.


Only very quick first attempt this evening, been a busy day.  Hope for more time tomorrow.


The led is flat, not dome shaped. Can be rotated to get best light.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 22, 2019, 09:13:37 pm
 :-))


Started round the back again

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Ph8NqfL/0/f5ca7faf/X4/4AAFFEEA-8B44-4EBA-847A-4352FD5D6284-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 22, 2019, 09:50:15 pm

This is the ease of fit I work for.




Richard "RMH" suggested using axle collets to secure in place. I thought this to be a great idea as no force is required to fit or remove  :-))


I found an eBay seller doing 10x2.5mm for £6.92
I would only need two per railing so I will need to order more. The 2.5 has a 2.7mm bore
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Martin [Admin] on November 22, 2019, 09:59:44 pm
 :-)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 22, 2019, 10:35:12 pm
Thank you  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on November 23, 2019, 01:05:15 am
'The Old Fart' and Andy,
Hope this might help - the actual size of the deck light fittings on the lower wheelhouse are 40mm in diameter and 15mm in depth. NB that they are not a full hemi-sphere, rather a shade under, with the little diameter flat rim and the 'exit' for the light [angled down] below the centre line.
Also that the four lights on the nose of the wheelhouse are set in stainless steel bezels.
Kim [Canterbury Coxswain]
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: The Old Fart on November 23, 2019, 06:28:38 am
Thanks for dimensions, that was going to be my next question.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 23, 2019, 10:50:38 am
Yes many thanks Kim


Today I decided that my comms tower T is too wide despite taking off a drawing. The MBD cabin is narrower than expected so I will correct by eye.
Intitially the max width was 145mm and I've set my sander up to a suitable angle to take 5.5mm off each end before adding 3mm styrene back on. This takes 5mm off overall but if still too wide I can afford to take 1mm off each end later and make any necessary angle adjustment too.
There will always be backwards steps and its best to fix it in my opinion
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-jQ4Ht2T/0/e004f661/X2/936BE98B-FFE2-433E-95B6-F547DC0AB52E-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Wv8kwxf/0/aa3a9b56/X2/99F10D40-91CA-4FB5-90BA-BCFAEF209362-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-KQ8RN5M/0/02ffefbc/X2/8B182964-66BD-4353-B11A-3D580993F16D-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-57tngMm/0/6930ea8b/X2/83E15291-C7C5-407F-A417-6C7AF1D2064B-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 23, 2019, 03:24:27 pm
It's about a whole day lost by the time its primed. I had to alter the height of the H frame too
All correct now
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-nDsBpp9/0/1cd91c9a/X3/C286BAD6-567B-4892-A218-2AD5D67907EC-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-mf3kGNW/0/3786fc96/X3/4A75BE8C-1F99-49A5-B55A-BB978E799F6B-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-3XfQHv9/0/c894d897/X3/8635D205-5EA5-4AC8-A2CF-456DE410EF5F-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-4VH3Rp9/0/5ed9be54/X3/E6353BC8-4EC6-4FCA-8540-B60271B7A05B-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-s2KNvWt/0/42a86f5d/X3/51D9A0ED-2B5D-4926-8765-6817C767C812-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-t4L6WVr/0/12e47534/X3/82352CEF-AB0F-48B5-9125-5E8DE84EC067-X3.jpg)




My mast light platform


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-LKBn6g8/0/96776c49/XL/DB060986-B86D-4B8A-86AC-3AD06D01CB3A-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-b49RpnF/0/3670c713/X2/E266626B-BA15-492A-9C2B-C15B29C9C91E-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-rhrX5xC/0/95bcd703/X2/3F575512-32A9-408C-B82F-5405F8A0A803-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 23, 2019, 06:21:33 pm
Had to stop for steak n chips and Strictly   %%   but what was I making?


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-qG5Gd4q/0/bb885008/X2/4216EFCA-51F4-44B5-83BD-925D1E297F22-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-v8Gm7xJ/0/cc87e460/X2/C2603B40-FC00-4778-B8D1-3F5A82A7E675-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-586QwB7/0/07ffa5f3/X2/8490A37F-CB86-4603-9D00-E1F68F7C74F2-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-5h76wDP/0/76d1c0ed/X2/3BA67D14-B60B-491E-99E8-FB94ADC9A9E8-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 23, 2019, 09:14:39 pm
Too late! I bet you've been watching Strictly  %%  That chris has been overscored 2 weeks running!! bent judges


One more to make and I'll start my gate  8)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-3DcGgpj/0/50173115/X3/6FEC85B9-EFF4-45B7-8717-EE95793CC0FC-X3.jpg)


There's growing interest in obtaining more of these Kim  :-))


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-mwczqSn/0/c197b9d0/X3/A18C269C-1A28-41B9-A282-52B2F7070917-X3.jpg)




Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 23, 2019, 09:24:58 pm
Thanks for the tip Derek  :-)
Back on the job early for good behaviour

Here I've added some more detail for the radar and speaker mounting points. The pictures also share "my" measurements


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Pg3SWWX/0/f1df4234/X2/CEF20498-E18A-414D-A6A1-CDEB042F515A-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-SzKPR4v/0/ed71a01f/X2/37C33865-7EE4-44D3-9172-B3C041682CF8-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-mnFcHDB/0/2e63d10c/X2/84ACD19C-9554-4D78-AE5C-787DB6CB8978-X2.jpg)


This has now been remodelled to 140mm overall width NOT 145  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Mark T on November 23, 2019, 09:27:29 pm
Its these little parts that really make a build.  There's some very skilful work there that often goes completely missed.  Lovely job.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 23, 2019, 10:36:06 pm
Thank you Mark. It's these little things that give the most personal reward too  :-)


First attempt still in progress and I think my soldering is getting less messy  {-)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Md44kMj/0/6ff64caf/X3/8251DB1B-9561-426E-8293-B5D2DE3E370E-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 23, 2019, 11:47:37 pm
Time for bed
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-TLdmCdv/0/ef3969a7/X3/D7FEA083-43A4-4CB1-9673-96449B482736-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 24, 2019, 12:49:46 pm
Almost ready for primer
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-h3h5Gjh/0/4c0e07c0/X3/81D12E89-53BF-48DB-BA49-3D0007E5D4FF-X3.jpg)


Another hinge to make


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-t7JCcBM/0/73b46fd2/X3/E401EBC5-5BA2-4B91-ACBD-D905D522C7F1-X3.jpg)


Some may wonder how small parts are held in place for soldering?
These hinge stabs are first fitted as a bent piece of bar so it stays upright and trimmed after soldering
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-ZrJcdZd/0/e92bd621/X2/ECE3DFAF-CE58-4C73-A743-AC561887DC0A-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 24, 2019, 02:05:00 pm



I used 5 min epoxy for the welds from behind and then trimmed and sanded them before rock hard

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-kJPCpt4/0/9305de80/X3/4B9CF5EF-1F68-459E-96D4-6AD3D225A057-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Mark T on November 24, 2019, 02:56:20 pm
Andy I don't know what type of flux your using but I use Powerflow flux which plumbers use.  Its really ultra aggressive stuff but makes soldering brass a doddle.  If you use an electric soldering iron with this stuff you will need a dedicated tip as it will destroy it over time.  I've found that I use less solder with this flux but don't breath in the fumes either.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 24, 2019, 03:05:56 pm
I use this
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-32GKTjq/0/5f857372/X3/7FBA7597-D0A8-4646-8FE1-02590D66B4ED-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 24, 2019, 05:24:36 pm

My solder tip has done many hundreds of solders Mark  :-))   I've been using that paste all this year
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-rNH8svd/0/fe3593d6/X3/7C2366C7-1B63-4FFD-8BCA-92A5F5B142A3-X3.jpg)



MY best effort. I could pick fault but I'll live with it  :-)  Fully functioning too
Thank you very much Kim for making the etching, there is growing interest in obtaining one from you.

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-85hr675/0/9f8042e2/X3/B4878D16-7FF7-416E-87A7-A0F1BEDF1C4D-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 24, 2019, 06:11:37 pm



(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-zZW93pQ/0/240a1312/X2/C6B49BF6-7734-4CF2-8B88-98687580BEE7-X2.jpg)


Video
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 24, 2019, 06:44:25 pm
I meant to say that I try hard to make all parts removable. This allows fitting after cabin paintwork.


This assembly is purely located by the tight fitting grab rail


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-zf2StKn/1/77fba951/X3/0F782F21-CB7C-4EB6-B02D-91784B310CC2-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: derekwarner on November 24, 2019, 08:11:29 pm
That self draining safety gate looks superb Andy.  O0 ......in the last image below, is it a metal  finished paint to represent stainless steel construction?

The locking/unlocking working function also  :-))

Without having seen a video of this Class of vessel, I assume a few hundred kilograms of
heavy sea wave water could crash over/into with that space & so needs a speedy self draining function?

Derek
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 24, 2019, 08:16:13 pm
Thanks Derek
The paint is Tamiya bare metal silver. I don't think any of the grab rails etc are stainless steel. Some say anodised steel but I'm not aware that steel can be anodised so I errr on it being aluminium
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on November 24, 2019, 08:53:20 pm
Derek and Andy,
They are all anodised aluminium [duralumin] rails throughout. Hence most [not the black] will require minimal maintenance.
I believe steel would be galvanised.
Kim
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: derekwarner on November 24, 2019, 08:57:42 pm
Andy....I would think that 'anodized steel' is an error in understanding metals and not a misprint   %) 


......any form of electrolytic process to hard drawn aluminium tubing would look very flash O0 [for a few weeks] after that no one in their correct state of mind would try & support their life by holding it after those same few weeks of sea mist :embarrassed:


Stainless Steel Grade 316 [1.4571 is the closest Continental designation] tubing is easily bent......however requires stainless TIG welding in full size, or silver soldering in scale applications of the material to mounting flanges etc


Derek
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 24, 2019, 08:59:41 pm
Derek and Andy,
They are all anodised aluminium [duralumin] rails throughout. Hence most [not the black] will require minimal maintenance.
I believe steel would be galvanised.
Kim
My thinking exactly  :-))  thanks Kim
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: derekwarner on November 24, 2019, 09:05:11 pm
Morning Kim......thanks & I understand OK if the rails are anodized Duralumin ........this chemical varient has totally different electrochemical resistance properties & hence corrosion resistance [over 99.9% aluminium]

Courtesy of a Chemical Table under Google

'In addition to aluminium (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium), the main materials in duralumin are copper (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper), manganese (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manganese) and magnesium (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnesium). For instance, Duraluminium 2024 consists of 91-95% aluminium, 3.8-4.9% copper, 0.3-0.9% manganese, 1.2-1.8% magnesium, <0.5% iron, <0.5% silicon, <.0.25% zinc, <0.15% titanium, <0.10% chromium and no more than 0.15% of other elements together'

Really like chalk & cheese between the two metals...a simple test to check if the metal is aluminium or duralumin is to wipe a strong magnet over the metal......if it's duralumin you sure will feel the magnetic attraction to the manganese + iron [total ~~1.25%] in the metal


Never buy Duralumin from a second hand scrap dealer........ <*<


High strength heat treated Duralumin tubing is also used in Hang Glider tubular frames..........being of such critical importance, the tubing is sold from the Merchants with a Certificate of Tractability back to the individual heat when the metal was brewed ......genuine Duralumin tubing has the Certificate Material  Grade & Heat Number micro Laser printed on the continuous length of the tube ........such is the importance of human life  O0

Derek
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: me3 on November 24, 2019, 10:20:40 pm
I believe it's just bare sand blasted aluminium. It certainly is on refit boats. On the refit boats we take the painted parts and blast the paint off them. It leaves a rough surface but then we do have different grades of blasting depending on the item. 
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on November 24, 2019, 11:23:35 pm
I can only go on what I have been told by by both engineers at the RNLI lifeboat stations that have Shannons and also by those at the AWL Centre at Poole when I have asked the question - it's always been 'anodised aluminium' and on one occasion 'duralumin'. I have asked this, as being an RNLI Educational Trainer for the South East [official staff - voluntary] I get asked this question frequently, by enthusiasts and modellers alike. This is especially when I give my illustrated talk on 'The launch and recovery of the Shannon Class lifeboat' - based on the Dungeness boat - up and down the country. My next one will be given in Eastbourne in March. Well before then, I will get the definitive answer from the 'top man' at the AWL Centre, Poole. It will posted here then.
Cheers to each.
Kim
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: me3 on November 25, 2019, 07:12:52 am
Hi Kim, interesting, I work at the alc in Poole on the Severn, Trent and Tamar refit lines. I will ask or look at a drawing when I'm back later in the week. Whilst I can't be 100% on the Shannon the refit boats are definitely bare ally!
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 25, 2019, 07:06:56 pm
Another good day


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-jL2Fvb6/0/35d82d16/X3/24FFA510-1EF8-4CC1-85A0-05FEB94F0705-X3.jpg)


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(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-dmt56ZX/0/14fc168f/X3/848CB801-B75A-48FE-B890-D34EB5DEB542-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-qkTHFsH/0/390f8cc0/X3/53F0E1B5-81DE-4478-96DD-79B494A05DFE-X3.jpg)

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Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: swiftdoc on November 25, 2019, 07:57:49 pm
Excellent work, Andy! The mast mechanism is a source of inspiration :-)) And the gate insert is the icing on the cake!
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 26, 2019, 05:18:18 pm
Thank you Arno


I have an ear infection so not very focused on production today.
So some pictures under the influence of Ibuprofen


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102 bolts
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(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-nnx6vrv/0/af70f263/X4/E61B5B49-5300-447E-AD54-CD324242EB3C-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-2JcNNQ4/0/53284fbf/X4/44F71D9C-00CC-43A2-AB79-46C08A79356D-X4.jpg)


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Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 26, 2019, 08:47:19 pm




(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-CRxfh6z/0/29a5287d/X4/606BF4D4-F652-4922-A38E-643EA8F3BAF0-X4.jpg)


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Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Martin [Admin] on November 27, 2019, 06:11:34 pm
 
Hi Andy,

Oops, I broke something.... can you repost please?
( Best put the video in a separate post... )  :D
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 27, 2019, 06:18:42 pm
Whole post has gone  {-)  That's a memory tester  :-))


The video
<iframe frameborder="0" scrolling="no" width="1080" height="1920" src="https://api.smugmug.com/services/embed/8997744874_vfLDvbw?width=1080&height=1920&albumId=195202017&albumKey=k3nMnf"></iframe>
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 27, 2019, 06:32:03 pm
I had a rest from brass today and had a go at the gas struts. This is a working prototype that needs a little elaboration/embelishment yet.


I've placed another order for a Scarborough decal set with David Leftley Graphics £56 FYI

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-6FtNN4R/0/43317638/X3/C644A79A-0EC9-4592-A558-54D87A58CC51-X3.jpg)


Now catching up on Portside


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-TF6zn5s/0/b11c701a/X3/7CDF1ADD-1A7C-4EE9-9308-7DAB895A6857-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-LQPCmJc/0/52d6e81a/X3/F20D90C4-0568-4E07-BCC7-8A34092D11AC-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 28, 2019, 06:43:41 pm


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-MLV2jKL/0/4433285f/X3/FAC2B03B-E8A2-4D80-89BE-04AED43C38B5-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-F53z8c2/0/2a80945e/L/057C68A9-6BB0-495C-955A-9E527AF1DF1C-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-PJSvkPW/0/dea01b30/X3/56EE0A3B-3314-4E3D-A078-49807FF510D0-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-NJth7Ks/0/ff59b5fb/X3/1BB8854F-F1A2-4895-8578-54E29C9C293F-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-LbQDfLd/0/1b855152/X3/03CB3629-A0DC-4A30-A8E3-CDAC00024872-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-SWvfkJt/0/b93589ff/X4/7B395F11-FE8E-4EF0-A540-9EFF15650CA1-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 28, 2019, 10:18:50 pm
Tamiya spray Silver Leaf is durable and won't tarnish
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-gJBRFfX/0/c1efb56f/X2/408BA418-6AB4-454C-AB39-88744EE2FD36-X2.jpg)

I'm with Arno
Someone made a fair effort with the supplied grille but I think we can up the game
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-H7X7DMq/0/a2497788/X2/948D1693-A05F-422B-B147-5DA954B405A6-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-8LRRqVW/0/3cb80a2f/X2/B9BE3C0E-37B9-4B34-A5FF-6EC58DC14E4B-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-NVXhNjm/0/c6d7a856/X2/159A3C1A-D989-487E-B5A4-6950A923598C-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-pWsppcz/0/865b5720/X2/B1501535-A63D-43B5-8756-5CDF7BF737DF-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-KMPWT8w/0/fab5eb87/X2/67E03230-1822-437F-8086-76C336A2C19E-X2.jpg)


Bolts and paint to finish
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-pWcGFXn/0/6e7a10a5/X2/DE544256-39E3-4BA7-B5CA-2C538901EA5A-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 30, 2019, 09:11:52 am
Good morning  :-)


Working from Kim's excellent photo collection I set about creating the port side gas strut lower mounting.
This took two attempts but I think its ok now.


First one stood off the side wall too far once in place
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-JSKp6NW/0/3741ef8f/X3/D677BBC3-1D8E-471E-97FA-6FDFBF8C0F13-X3.jpg)


This one is spot on
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-ZjrzQss/0/83a2ac4c/X2/CEEAECE9-77FE-4EE8-9D2D-B8651341B440-X2.jpg)


Later vessels use this reinforcement plate to bolt through
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-b2zhhFG/0/26f85f62/X2/E8C24E9D-6EBB-4101-957F-AE943844AFFA-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-M5RPM4c/0/cd338fd6/X2/CDE5301D-8F6D-4F9B-849E-5B6F4109E899-X2.jpg)


 
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-pRs69bs/0/067fa310/X2/F5BD3493-0C39-4B52-B746-E3FBE0F6ED05-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 30, 2019, 04:18:31 pm
I apply all tactics to secure parts in the correct position for each solder. It gets easier once the first connection is made.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-4bCqQqR/0/7f9c1604/X4/E3EB3664-E6DF-42E5-BD46-A80993CA6945-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-DhF87HW/0/0fb532cb/X2/86C93675-DF61-4526-A624-5F1860ED29F5-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-9HzG2rt/0/8cdb7eec/X2/334006A7-5F48-4682-9836-BD93AE2B2211-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-xT5qL6d/0/b0d5a5e6/X2/F5764FF1-4804-42F6-882B-F18A1EBE8377-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-69pkL5q/0/22d8251b/X2/FCD54E03-FF5D-40B3-BB42-4893201E39A9-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-32HFXSx/0/964df708/X2/E7811C4C-0ADD-41E0-8019-BBD94D26781D-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-bRTThmX/0/4ec3de07/X2/A234591F-AC33-4C75-AD79-E36B4FDA9A0F-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-vHBz5DL/0/05f2c2ae/X2/B8FE9032-9001-4194-9EE5-9E4AB5863A83-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-wKnVdFg/0/b7e810bf/X2/66DBB64A-8406-4847-B793-11A9A8FD6756-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-ffGgxrm/0/4bac3076/X2/6743BD78-1C94-4CD1-A411-892702703633-X2.jpg)


Cleaned up
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-TZ8T9vX/0/2c835d74/X3/7B4FA450-0D22-4785-A372-D53BB28A3A4F-X3.jpg)


Primered
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-nSXpS3m/0/2c0ccf94/X3/26EFF311-1800-494E-A014-B47781DAF552-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-jnLjtgX/0/888fdc64/X3/9B9FD088-FE00-41EC-B7CD-129E79E8E095-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 30, 2019, 05:10:24 pm


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-7DZFL96/0/934e854d/X3/1DEB5048-618D-450C-A919-4C459F025C01-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-dPV3T5F/0/b9c405e3/X2/C3EB6FDE-7611-4641-9664-3ADB3B5B8499-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-pjJbx3Z/0/201ef546/X2/9E5165D0-3426-43B2-803F-59FA16FA2DC2-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-Whz8Zbm/0/e4c1781a/X4/1DA7C2B6-FB14-4BC0-A347-6DFCDC5CA2A7-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Mark T on November 30, 2019, 05:38:36 pm
Quality work - its starting to look extremely detailed now  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 30, 2019, 05:55:23 pm
Quality work - its starting to look extremely detailed now  :-))


Thank you Mark it's amazing how busy it looks and lots to add yet. At my current rate of progress I might have both Shannons ready for paint come spring. I'm very pleased that I have surprised myself in at least matching the detail of the other model if not in some instances bettering.


However that said I am not rushing


That gate etching makes such a huge difference  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on November 30, 2019, 06:08:19 pm
My buddy in Ireland has recommended this to us on Shannon Facebook today. I think I'm going to invest in it for my upcoming birthday. Thank you Steve :-))


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Soldering-Station-Yihua-992DA-Digital-Welding-Solder-Desoldering-Air-Warm-/273888739134?hash=item3fc50a7f3e (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Soldering-Station-Yihua-992DA-Digital-Welding-Solder-Desoldering-Air-Warm-/273888739134?hash=item3fc50a7f3e)


https://notenoughtech.com/review/yihua-992da-reveiw/ (https://notenoughtech.com/review/yihua-992da-reveiw/)




https://youtu.be/SnEZnt9yNcA
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on December 01, 2019, 07:30:27 pm
Oops whereís me chisel  :embarrassed:


Scarborough has no reinforcing pad
Thank you John Huntley  :-))



Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on December 01, 2019, 08:41:34 pm
Quick fix
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-8qFc3Pq/0/74995f33/X3/A24B262F-B797-485E-AB73-4A0ED6C76ADA-X3.jpg)


Today I also removed and refitted the recovery lift. Made the searchlight mounting too


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-5WRWWqp/0/f10e9776/X3/09A75834-30F9-4509-A507-D86E3E998563-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-twJ2RLN/0/d6956da4/X3/C7BE93A6-90B8-40BB-8704-D8F2DFBFAA17-X3.jpg)



(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-9zNdp2J/0/088b1e16/X3/BBE566E1-B320-4740-9A78-9282D4556D7F-X3.jpg)


Electrical junction boxes 3 off
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(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-rJRDMDP/0/ef065132/X3/0C192C97-DDDF-4F94-A229-BC8F9331FA32-X3.jpg)



(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-x7PGnWM/0/2b4dd5fb/X3/88CFCAA5-1373-4730-A802-4C2B44DFA3AD-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on December 14, 2019, 05:39:38 pm
Lots of progress.
I will work backwards with updates from today photos


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-5mtHBDR/0/a6ee6849/X5/C973F514-2B79-4D96-8B78-4AD9B3C3B178-X5.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-KD7xS3r/0/799ba021/X5/02F2A43E-BF0B-406F-AC0D-5A7616B1C3F5-X5.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-34rtBDv/0/ed9be6be/X4/3883ADB8-5144-4E67-9217-2D941137C708-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-bZqLBPx/0/82c38a54/X3/40F994FA-2B03-4839-AAB5-A05DD5F172C0-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-k43kNFv/0/867c12ad/X3/52B88229-4124-4816-A1E3-1B44D7D62550-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-XvBfGzw/0/5271939c/X3/63AD947D-2099-479B-85B4-DB0C7D9E7F3A-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-b4fwWHR/0/a5ffb63e/X3/4423813E-FC42-4ABC-B82A-5E16EFEA1117-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-3SWN8s6/0/62f3c9f6/X3/3C1857E9-EBCA-41DE-9749-DFA286EA1B09-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-6NsB65s/0/12735fd7/X3/6943393D-BC78-456E-82F6-A638AF963CCE-X3.jpg)



Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on December 14, 2019, 11:43:30 pm
Before I go back and cover the recent progress I'd just add that those who know my work know how important symmetry is in my book.
I cannot always be sure of accuracy but proportions and looking right can count for more than being skew wiff and mm perfect.


I often put the build on the floor to check for square
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-8FDxnvf/0/01e24a99/X3/2655C61A-8025-4B5E-8560-217D2C159792-X3.jpg)


Here it is clear that both mast stays are the same angles
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-gssKjJn/0/ef16e123/X3/9E75BCF9-DF73-43DF-ADCA-DF573D4EFE1B-X3.jpg)



Overall a view from a height can reveal wrongs that might not be noticeable at bench height.
Hopefully the most often viewed angle is looking down from the side of a pond.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-Q2mQ2GK/0/e9551bfc/X4/8DA802D4-56F9-4F10-A02D-FC97C8BAE195-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on December 15, 2019, 12:35:38 pm
A quick word for David Leftley
The Graphics set is currently £56. I have decided to do both my builds as Scarborough so I ordered a second set.
My Danish friend pointed out that the wiper decals are far too big and only 4 in the set.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-tv7jrwf/0/6e72237f/X3/043490E3-BBD1-4F13-A633-76E239C5E00D-X3.jpg)


As usual once David is made aware he fixes it without quibble
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-zKRqtnx/0/379b2771/L/82EA7613-E5D0-4177-AC01-AA087FC6F8C8-L.jpg)


My new additions for my two sets   :-))


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-TBrqCG8/0/a4fc1343/L/B7290524-0D2C-44CA-BDC6-B8BF37A1D631-L.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon FUEL filler and vent caps
Post by: Taranis on December 15, 2019, 06:22:29 pm
Apparently the dual fuel fillers port and starboard are actually a Ventilator cap on the left and filler on the right.


This is one of my attempts to produce something looky likey


The parts
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-kb4ZfGN/0/d5e1b470/X2/3E8B6873-F10E-4CF6-B62E-BFD6D1E2B274-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-tP6L9mM/0/380b8df7/X2/4D5F8385-B844-490C-A1F5-1BC8378A80AA-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-gDX2NXJ/0/563c441d/X2/E68869C3-097E-4B94-9586-CAE7A1C1BBEB-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-zDxLtR2/0/dd86f67b/X3/EF0009A7-1F5F-4C6A-9A82-99918AA81C57-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-cCRXsfG/0/ec491b2a/X2/79082820-12E4-4DB6-AF6A-5E32FAEE6D04-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-xBxrQzd/0/673287cc/X2/6745BB1A-F3A9-42AD-9DD1-7344C38A753E-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-3rHCCCf/0/e1997c24/XL/6D51B15F-BB3A-492B-B15C-FEC17984B51E-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-SDFPcmL/0/c1a84486/XL/D2FC7882-85A6-4E83-B12D-3C44D3902CAD-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-k6qmmdJ/0/973ca94f/XL/B55A7093-2896-414E-AFE0-B33580A99E9E-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-qBrCcxf/0/0e9aced2/XL/4AAFF618-BD43-4D1A-9237-2AC696E27CA5-XL.jpg)







Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon EMERGENCY aerial or bootscraper
Post by: Taranis on December 16, 2019, 09:26:11 am
This aerial automatically switches in before any transmissions in the event of a capsize.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-SBZx3pF/1/972a45bf/XL/BC132550-57AC-4792-8C1C-B2EC2A27709C-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-KmSkhRj/1/cb63d303/XL/A0B2F291-210C-4FEC-B8AE-7CC725242C2E-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-cSV2kSV/1/728e0fbe/XL/5D06E39C-05DA-483E-9309-64ED8270D9EB-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-VT45gs2/1/0b8e7fd1/XL/47ADE6BC-FF51-4FEC-A5D9-85A32F537F19-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-3FPq4pV/0/e2fa9bb1/XL/5BA3FDAE-B486-45AD-9651-BC9A37718DEB-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-VFNhCNq/0/616c2ac5/XL/2F18A7CE-CC17-4C93-942B-5C3BFE16908E-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-FFkZN4g/0/b2dec8f3/X3/EA6F1737-9A58-4C3B-A065-0FAAA4FC8BB6-X3.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-zQBj4XD/0/11751d5e/X3/E7359E25-EB42-4B66-B65F-57E81A0E0322-X3.jpg)

All my black parts are Tamiya semi gloss
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-build/i-znzm4dB/0/d2a9b7e3/X3/C5888FC3-41B3-43D7-9777-5075F586853C-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on December 16, 2019, 03:23:57 pm
I think that's a goer, another coat perhaps
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-vpRQM6x/0/b42a1f57/X2/1603D5F7-4461-4A2E-901F-F71E7CE27D9F-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: derekwarner on December 16, 2019, 03:34:52 pm
Is this the same 'Tamiya spray Silver Leaf' as shown on the suspension damper last week?.......

If so, looks pretty good on the fuel filler cap :-))

Derek
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on December 16, 2019, 03:36:35 pm
Hi Derek. No this is Humbrol chrome spray on this occasion  :-)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon Deck light options
Post by: Taranis on December 16, 2019, 04:21:33 pm
I found these on eBay. Great size and ideal if not wanting working lighting.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-Q2s364h/0/17fb5664/X2/3875BB03-77A5-465F-BFC7-239DCC2F3CDD-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-KTkcPPk/0/0c197a4c/X2/BD18B03C-3793-4B84-B754-4AE999AE75C9-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: kinmel on December 16, 2019, 04:37:47 pm
Link? <*<
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on December 16, 2019, 04:40:59 pm
Link? <*<
I posted it on Facebook last week or so and there are non left.
However I will fit you up
Mail me your address again


However NOTE they need a 2mm hole only or will not fit


EDIT found more stock https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemVersion&item=301851495639&view=all&tid=1690154418020
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: kinmel on December 16, 2019, 05:06:37 pm
Thanks Andy
item ordered. :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon Tool locker handle
Post by: Taranis on December 16, 2019, 06:49:53 pm
Ignore the very nice locking turns, made by a friend for me as a swapsie


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-RMGMvHX/0/e6c882d7/X2/DBD00E32-B836-407A-B760-9C9018D4D092-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-NTbT4VG/0/85c6e7c7/X2/D5C0F70A-9F4F-427E-9458-DA01F5AC8EFF-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-r6wWBD4/0/1356a66e/X2/94F59DCD-AFEF-4C47-8CC9-000B785B6E5D-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-DcHvhHQ/0/6c7313ca/X2/3F1705CF-A14B-4B0D-BF01-73AE57E2DDA4-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-6vrNXgf/0/1e25145c/X2/97AB429F-EB02-4DB8-A81C-8E1B38D2C27D-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-GVLvvhD/0/ffef9132/X2/221E915E-4AEA-4131-AED0-FFAFB2D7B695-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon VHF-DF Antenna
Post by: Taranis on December 16, 2019, 07:48:49 pm
From what I have in stock otherwise a different tack might have been taken.
Thank you to John Huntley Scarborough and Rob Baines Fleetwood RNLI's for info


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-HPSgSfv/0/266b2f58/X2/0005FA9D-E32B-4915-8283-53DA02F594E4-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-F7GVSwS/0/193b5f68/X2/9D662D6C-883C-4ED2-84A0-83BFD5287D4E-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-nCDSkj8/0/e7aee3b7/X2/09AA9A73-B2F1-4BBC-A811-F05314B6C263-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-3jbMWr6/0/fabfb98c/X2/4952A8DD-4755-4C0D-9262-EF0061F51AE9-X2.jpg)


This black ring is a trimmed down rubber out of a cable stuffing gland




(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-xzQrGNH/0/3d5db75b/X2/0157D55C-C424-4258-BBB7-5EEB1D1CD763-X2.jpg)


When the paint has hardened I will fit the black ring. No rain today and Tamiya can stand cold weather application if you get it straight back in the warm to dry. So I managed some progress
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-cLLsVvt/0/04fec981/X4/267420FD-CFCC-4DD1-8432-8F49FDB8F968-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on December 16, 2019, 08:04:03 pm
So far on but so very far from the end. I think the windows will be a good fit without glue when the cabin is painted
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-ZNHP7c2/0/89075f8e/X4/CC588591-4256-42DF-856F-13FF0BD95AEF-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon/ The mast stay bars and brackets
Post by: Taranis on December 17, 2019, 02:45:12 pm
For the bars I've used small carbon tube. My advice for cutting this is to use the edge of a small half round file and work around the circumference. Other methods can lead to splintering.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-tS8pbc8/0/67db2fdd/X2/91A82B12-4BCA-49A0-B937-2ED9B9261072-X2.jpg)


For the connection points I've used Caldercraft vine eyes


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-WkKpMCV/0/e172f367/X2/EECD2FAA-CE1E-4000-A152-7996A71020A5-X2.jpg)


I made the bottom stay brackets twice as they were too big initially and my final version is still oversize but as small as I can manage.
I used styrene T section
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-QdwG9Lg/0/de33f751/XL/DACAD142-51A5-4993-95AF-6A5140350D3C-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-L6jqL77/0/42d08607/XL/93102208-0DD2-48E8-8520-1AE2D0D07F75-XL.jpg)


I'd rather correct things in progress until I'm satisfied.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-3JxmZ9D/0/dde798d3/XL/B489D912-3477-4963-B89B-13F718980625-XL.jpg)


I use a 0.8mm drill and 1mm tap
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-hQLWMHg/0/4a0ccb0b/X2/90E3D447-5327-42D7-BC32-3397A494CAFA-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-qbRMdSn/0/ac790204/XL/C27D28B7-0AE0-438B-89C1-FB16775AEC5B-XL.jpg)


From yesterday, the black ring in place
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-49HkzrX/0/7a164119/X3/46203A33-DA80-48C2-8EC8-F6D7BBCCE91D-X3.jpg)


Nav light boxes in progress


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-HKgJ4vf/0/e0dfd56a/X3/A06AFBBC-975E-4EAE-BA5A-7D05BBDC1659-X3.jpg)

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on December 17, 2019, 05:05:01 pm
I'll fix these with 2 x 1mm screws each and dream up a solution for the lights
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-hXzLH4b/0/736f10b3/L/04077567-807E-45D0-8395-044BBFDEF0A3-L.jpg)


Now I can do the two aerials
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-Jvf4H7M/0/c4d48ee9/X3/20B18439-C38B-4B2D-81C0-EA6C90E20DD7-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon Mast aerials
Post by: Taranis on December 18, 2019, 10:51:49 am
This was my job for today but ideas just flooded in and the first took under an hour including dismantling the mast T to drill it on the pillar drill (essential to ensure vertical)
I had 1.5mm carbon rod and 3mm carbon tube, also the washer drilled out to 3mm and filed to fit. A little bit of brass sleeve added and the carbon tube chamfered by holding in my drill chuck lightly and holding a file to it.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-LH7sn7C/0/b5c0f1fc/X3/D28590D8-D7D0-4B3E-859A-3E52ADF15507-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-MK9hVkV/0/8d053404/X3/C90B9CB2-2670-48B7-ACCD-9D0C935F0D54-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-6fNKCLv/0/965f9c86/XL/2E7BBD80-5BD9-4F86-89DA-A6EB32464946-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-bmLVvfX/0/c5d934a6/X2/55AA3788-C221-44D1-B6D4-10512BD33718-X2.jpg)


The Port side is 4metres tall so 330mm Starboard is 1500mm full length
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-QZt5gV5/0/53beba85/X2/2887285D-8681-478A-B08A-662DA1BCB7F1-X2.jpg)


1.5mm hole is tight and the thick styrene holds it secure without glue, so easy for transport



Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: kinmel on December 18, 2019, 11:13:54 am
I like a man with spare hard drives spread across the desk O0
The mast is incredible
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: derekwarner on December 18, 2019, 12:26:19 pm
 O0  ...& I think most could take a pointer or two about the crispness & quality of the focal clarity in the images  :-))


Goodness, that was a mouthful...... {-)


Derek
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Martin [Admin] on December 18, 2019, 02:58:47 pm
 
Iphone!   :o
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Martin [Admin] on December 19, 2019, 06:16:42 pm
 
Apologies, topic now unlocked    :embarrassed:
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: DaveM on December 19, 2019, 07:58:18 pm

Apologies, topic now unlocked    :embarrassed:

Ta, m'duck

 DM
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on December 22, 2019, 02:16:55 pm
Thank you Dave


Thank you Kim for the very nice comments in your thread and thanks so much for your card  :-)  plus all your help this year.
Remember I mentioned the challenge of the radar motor housing over on yours?
Well it's turning out well with 19 pieces of styrene so far. Still much shaping to do before adding top and side detail but it's looking nice.
When finished I'll post a very long string of photo steps start to finish.


Meanwhile
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-BrqmHQM/0/467f3b91/X3/43088E1A-50A0-4A0B-B6C5-EE8BA457800D-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on December 23, 2019, 08:54:58 am
When I said I had much shaping to do I wasn't kidding.


Almost there but still a couple of changes then I'll recap on how I got to here. Probably 10 hrs spent so far so maybe not for everyone


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-8PwHMtr/0/cad35604/XL/7FDBA673-0C92-495C-A69B-16C378BF0EAD-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-J83pFk7/0/a69106c4/XL/9E0D5BFD-798D-434D-B857-46349F65B821-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-JtGjF66/0/6c70022b/XL/6DF72BF1-4DDE-40A9-8E37-B9BD6EE32769-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Mark T on December 23, 2019, 12:14:00 pm
That looks great well worth the effort I would say  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on December 23, 2019, 03:04:16 pm
Cheers Mark  :-)  a lot more fettling since then but I'll start from scratch here literally.


First I made some nominal outside measurements with reducing in mind if needs be.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-SHD6cff/0/cec63f0f/X2/7373E730-BE31-4149-A476-619C356875AC-X2.jpg)


The foot 1mm styrene
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-vXjXxhw/0/a889529b/X2/3E02F614-C8C8-430E-963B-4EE994908336-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-vZvLchn/0/649cb2d6/X2/F75432C2-5B02-4E1F-8215-4CDCE3B7D50B-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-M3Cd8T9/0/e8f585b0/X2/6D16859F-18D2-46C0-980C-C1A90347E3D3-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-FbfzHWk/0/9267a13c/X2/6A6BFAFC-1018-4775-B275-4FF2D6190126-X2.jpg)


Extra height
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-39Xf9wM/0/2d6f2a50/X2/D2483DD6-C1E7-4553-8B0D-B96704F661C7-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-fNR8vGd/0/e40981a8/X2/90B998D4-8895-4F7A-A0A1-21759E93374A-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-9N8rXdZ/0/a821a7d7/XL/87728A75-370B-422C-BA3C-30A5F70D45D3-XL.jpg)


Next the lower housing..............
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on December 23, 2019, 05:10:45 pm
I cut two identical forms as building platforms both upwards and downwards. The one for the lid section was eventually removed but essential to create both halves the same shape.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-qGQ5xX7/0/9f1002e7/X2/6FBF6950-2DCB-495E-8AA3-44DFA05A5CE8-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-RbgxQdF/0/2bfad732/X2/08375BEF-F4CE-4B31-A46F-CC8F3DC10879-X2.jpg)


3mm + 1mm styrene each side


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-S8FtmzR/0/44c458e3/L/EBE103F9-D768-4D3B-8654-9EF00ADBF913-L.jpg)


2 x 2mm
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-K4mqZrJ/0/492fc9b8/L/932C0AEF-4260-4EBA-BAAD-B700C8A019CC-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-ZfgdfC9/0/8ff29a69/L/0AD5E474-AFD7-403F-AB2B-8CD514085462-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-PvQm6gH/0/538f9fa9/L/D1551836-7304-47C0-9059-097BB987FFD6-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-pqxmqtF/0/8e0cfb97/L/D005F937-460A-4509-B594-B399E5C9D712-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-2qqKttR/0/bca66c7c/L/7A5673EE-BCEB-466B-B73F-5E8FBFB512D5-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-kWLKq3P/0/f7c06a28/L/BF94624C-38E0-4CC6-95DA-123247B2BDF0-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-Pw9Vjzp/0/3e1df272/L/D82AFCFD-482D-47B0-B1CE-7F3FE6F947B4-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-pQbzqbZ/0/89c07cbc/L/511A1F9F-7CD4-460C-AF50-60872DC89890-L.jpg)


Next the lid..............

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on December 23, 2019, 06:46:25 pm
An in between post while parts are being readied. The cross bond is a little over scale but will look ok when the whole unit is in place


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-GBzmh27/0/fc1f9439/X3/766715AE-170E-4536-A060-FB93D1719EFC-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-c9572LP/0/15a43244/X2/97BF98AC-A2D9-4CAE-9967-3D295A68A350-X2.jpg)




Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on December 23, 2019, 11:27:51 pm
The housing lid.
Top and bottom forms marked and drilled to match then 3mm side walls made

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-GncmQmC/0/b8798179/XL/D4211F27-6D78-4614-B784-87CB744FC5E9-XL.jpg)


Bench sander set to an angle to produce everything the same


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(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-bFk2csB/0/ed7c3906/XL/588D6C11-9458-470E-BE12-81CAEAFCD779-XL.jpg)


Hinge part added and all edges sanded equally
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At this point still loads of shaping to do hence starting with thick styrene
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Start blocking up the interior
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create the side details
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fit the top cross piece then much more shaping
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Remove the top half form with chisel blade
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Constantly shaping and hinge point altered due to not matching photos
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Priming and more sanding
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Gloss white tomorrow
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on December 24, 2019, 11:37:32 am
I've started on the rotor. Again making it up as I go.


The aim of the tubes is to make sure the three outer ones are exactly centred around the 1.7mm drive shaft
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These outer three will be trimmed down and sit over the stub of tube on the housing lid whilst the shaft will go straight through to the drive motor in the Tee


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-Q5XbbwL/0/8ca711e6/XL/3E1CBC40-5757-4C6A-B993-80A68B5F5858-XL.jpg)


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The profile required


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Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on December 24, 2019, 02:36:26 pm
Andy,
What a wonderful little 'work of art', if that does not get a few more Shannon builders making their own [using your step by step guide], I do not know what will!


I know you have good access to the actual boat and probably took your own measurements, but for those who have my DVD of Shannon photos in Folder 2 [if that was included in the earlier ones] there is a work sheet drawing from the Furuno Electrics Co. Ltd. site of the DRS 12A radar. I have attached a photo here.


Sorry to intrude, but thought this might be of help.


To you and all your followers - A very merry Christmas and a Happy Modelling New Year!

Thanks for your card, comments and 'pressie'; keep up all of the good work and help on this model.


Kim [Canterbury Coxswain]

(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/12/24/Fiuruno1.jpg) (https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/image/ZPUbp)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on December 24, 2019, 02:49:39 pm
Anyone building a Shannon is never regarded as an intrusion especially not yourself or the Doc  :-))
The gallery I sent can be added to your DVD if you wish or any that you think useful.
I didnít actually have any dimensions I tend to judge from photos and we builders always notice little things that might not be quite right but who else would know  {-)
However special thanks to John Huntley of Scarborough crew and I have a correction to the Port side mast antenna length NOT 4000 but 2700 total before scaling

P.S. looking at the drawing Iím even more pleased
Thanks

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on December 24, 2019, 03:40:41 pm
Going well so far
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The best way forwards for the leading edge is C extrusion but unfortunately what I have to hand is a size or two too small


So pretty held up until Leeds Model Shop re-open (next Monday I believe)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-Vfrc86b/0/63f2db42/X2/FB582372-0701-466F-8CEE-C9292BC0BC12-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-TXQSr3M/0/2f4af963/X3/ECA75FFF-07DD-40D9-9DFF-19E307881956-X3.jpg)


Tamiya pure white



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Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on December 24, 2019, 04:10:27 pm
Everything is secured with screws or a push fit only
Still minor adjustments needed in my view

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-6PPV4Gw/0/38775e33/X3/A705E16E-ABFE-4E2D-BEE5-4A28406B7533-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-WkCLq4K/0/a589ad27/X3/18F7B341-6BB2-4F53-9BEC-F9A463BC1D9E-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on December 24, 2019, 04:41:38 pm
Wife says it's time to stop enjoying myself {-) so I'll leave you with my favourite shot.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-ff2GVGb/0/f134625d/X4/CEBC9026-C0D1-416B-8552-92A50F55459E-X4.jpg)


AND wish you all a Christmas cheers
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Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on December 25, 2019, 08:39:15 pm
Super day with family around and still pretty coherent  {-)


For other builders this will take you to a gallery where all photos relevant to the mast construction are hosted to save trawling through the thread. Updated as I go before being posted here.

https://techno.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/ (https://techno.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on December 26, 2019, 09:34:49 am
Too late for myself as I don't want to risk messing mine up but anyone else possibly following my steps I can see in hindsight that before fixing this hinge plate to the main body you should cut a square hole in it with a chamfered edge. When it is then attached and sanded to shape it will be the recess for the manufacturer specification plate.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-kf9Gvq2/0/8a02258e/XL/2B5FC1DD-B4C6-40D3-ACAD-F0197342756B-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on December 26, 2019, 10:09:53 am
The view from below with geared motor in place to get a measure for drive shaft length


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(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-HLM6w36/0/a09edd45/X2/984FD3BD-7D2A-4796-8455-7CAC14BD3915-X2.jpg)


With cover
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Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon CAMERA
Post by: Taranis on December 26, 2019, 02:39:54 pm
Killing time while short of parts for radar


I needed something round of the right diameter 12mm ish and the wife's craft room stock came to the rescue with some beads from charity shop


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(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-HW6hfGx/0/32cca48f/X2/4AC6AB71-BF81-40B2-A6C4-B2D40F825F55-X2.jpg)


After some creative experimenting
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(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-rLkqwSL/0/66f72bde/X2/FE785EF9-B6A7-4538-B9E3-02E639B035DC-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-2BdQ5rD/0/af02a252/X2/F12C510A-473B-4423-B20B-61F0F5AD7C13-X2.jpg)


Clear to see where this is heading
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Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on December 26, 2019, 06:19:32 pm

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-Hh4Cp4w/0/6c207f8c/X2/281DC0C3-A918-43C7-B9CF-F5F6BCD29A9B-X2.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-rdhq7V3/0/643e78d4/X2/A925FFED-CB62-4304-9CA9-7C5822A3CF1C-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-WwP75zm/0/c1deff8a/XL/DC421AE0-DCAF-4581-B12A-27C4FC52BCE9-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-WMZHQN2/0/fddb25b2/X3/D3ADB247-220B-4469-9512-55EC0461AA0A-X3.jpg)


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My camera picks up defects that the eye would not notice at all
I will fit a disc of clear acetate for the glass
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Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on December 26, 2019, 07:14:11 pm
That'll do almost there


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Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on December 27, 2019, 02:00:51 pm
Today I've re focused on the bow roller. Styrene and brass really do work great together. The release lever here is actually made to work but I don't know how Im going to fix these components together yet and still maintain perfect alignment.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-FR5qVz7/0/6fbb63d6/X3/9F8DAC62-9F07-4C75-ADAA-344386A0BD31-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on December 27, 2019, 10:44:19 pm
I've thrown everything but the kitchen sink at this and I think its now secure and works too


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-5CxfZ7h/0/8dc77c83/X2/1A119A76-59A6-48FF-AB3B-BB9398E015AE-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-qv98x47/0/c95d33a1/X2/7EB6E307-C1D5-4C2A-9140-DAAE1EA13141-X2.jpg)


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Now just the relatively easy hinge to do


Camera is now complete and has glass fitted.
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Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: mk1 on December 27, 2019, 11:31:21 pm
How about the wiper arm.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on December 28, 2019, 12:11:33 am
Iím saving the fine details for a rainy day John  {-) 
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: mk1 on December 28, 2019, 06:49:23 am
I have to say that the detail you put into your models is fantastic and I have used some of your ideas in making bits for mine as I have forgot how I done it the first time round. Keep up the great build. At the present I am trying to make the rear deck hatches easy to remove so the trim tab servos can be got at I have an idea just got to put it in place.   John
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: mikew on December 28, 2019, 08:49:51 am

Hi Andy
Great following your build, I notice in your 26th Dec post a crew member, are these commercially available
Cheers
Mike
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on December 28, 2019, 09:25:02 am
Thank you John I'm glad your are finding things useful and I wish you success with the hatches and hope you'll share it with us  :-)


Hi Mike and thank you, the figures are from Speedline and look superb when painted to a high standard. I've been advised to sub mine out to one of those war gamer shops for a couple of beers  {-)


The figures will be available again eventually but for now I cannot say anymore. I will update when that changes as I'm sure there will be many interested.


These are painted by Ole Bodker in Denmark
 
https://techno.smugmug.com/Shannon/RNLI-Crew-figures/n-VTqbhc/


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-H4txfhw/0/796a9f69/X2/i-H4txfhw-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: mikew on December 28, 2019, 09:53:45 am

Many Thanks for the info.  :-))
Mike
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on December 28, 2019, 11:31:15 pm
No modelling today but I've just put radar on test before bed.
Component shop £2.50 voltage reducer
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Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on December 29, 2019, 10:11:42 am
This is now adjusted to 29rpm which I believe is the upper end of the tolerance.
My motor is not fixed in place and all the parts are simply push fit so not a nightmare to change a motor if it ever becomes necessary. I will probably fix the regulator inside the T and use thicker wire from there downwards 


https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=61758.msg680553
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on December 29, 2019, 12:17:39 pm
Sorry but my post above (503) has been modified with the wrong link.


This is now adjusted to 29rpm which I believe is the upper end of the tolerance. My motor is not fixed in place and all the parts are simply push fit so not a nightmare to change a motor if it ever becomes necessary. I will probably fix the regulator inside the T and use thicker wire from there downwards 

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon STEM HEAD
Post by: Taranis on December 29, 2019, 12:21:15 pm

Brass angle used to make this as one symmetrical part before dividing. 1mm screws

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Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon Stem Head part II
Post by: Taranis on December 29, 2019, 04:36:41 pm
Nearly complete. Worth noting that the release lever handle is different on early models and bends the other way on 13-15


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Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on December 29, 2019, 06:58:05 pm
Tomorrow Leeds Model shop re opens for a desperate gasp of air before shutting again. So Iíll be there early for my parts to finish the radar  :-))
The weather forecast is excellent so we will proceed from there to Filey for a quiet sea front walk and coffees  :-)  maybe to Scarborough from there
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: me3 on December 29, 2019, 09:38:10 pm
Looking good as ever! Radar looks amazing! They spin at different speeds depending on what range you are on!
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on December 29, 2019, 09:43:04 pm
Looking good as ever! Radar looks amazing! They spin at different speeds depending on what range you are on!


Thank you  :-)  I heard 26/29rpm so any of them I guess  :-))


John Huntley sent me a batch of Stem Head and Bow Roller pictures from Scarborough today that show a few differences to the pictures I was working from. Just in time  {-)


EDIT
gallery link https://techno.smugmug.com/Shannon/13-15-Stem-head-bow-roller/n-WpBgrf/
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on December 30, 2019, 07:31:42 pm

Ready for primer

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Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: kinmel on December 30, 2019, 07:42:51 pm
Hi Mike and thank you, the figures are from Speedline and look superb when painted to a high standard. I've been advised to sub mine out to one of those war gamer shops for a couple of beers  {-)

The figures will be available again eventually but for now I cannot say anymore. I will update when that changes as I'm sure there will be many interested.

The problem is that all crews have now been issued with the appropriate "Helly Hanson" kits, which bears no resemblance to any of the scale figures available.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=helly+hansen+lifeboat+jacket&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjXw5CIkN7mAhWOQkEAHQUwC7oQ_AUoAnoECBYQBA&biw=1920&bih=916#imgrc=nAFuYRtlhipuLM (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=helly+hansen+lifeboat+jacket&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjXw5CIkN7mAhWOQkEAHQUwC7oQ_AUoAnoECBYQBA&biw=1920&bih=916#imgrc=nAFuYRtlhipuLM):
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on December 30, 2019, 07:45:58 pm
That won't be one of my concerns Alan, I'll be very happy to have well painted figures in previous kit.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on December 31, 2019, 11:12:28 am
Another set of photos from JH covering the 13-15 anchor. Unlisted gallery so download or bookmark them.

https://techno.smugmug.com/Shannon/13-15-anchor/n-RCNLVf/ (https://techno.smugmug.com/Shannon/13-15-anchor/n-RCNLVf/)



(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-Mp7Q4Vb/0/a9d128d1/L/i-Mp7Q4Vb-L.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-mCJnVm2/0/de54e2c5/L/i-mCJnVm2-L.jpg)

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on December 31, 2019, 12:22:20 pm
These are the closest I can find for the port starboard nav lights.
Tamiya clear colour applied inside. When the exterior black is applied they should be acceptable.


I'm not doing working lighting for a number of reasons. In the event of damage to the mast structure mine is easy to dismantle to repair, wiring would make it a real chore.
Some examples I've seen are far less desirable to me than a crisp clean wire free build.


So at nearly £12 a set its an expensive way of procuring the two lenses I want.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-RksfKhQ/2/ed719455/XL/6539D3D1-1DF8-4368-B280-71512DD95EB7-XL.jpg)

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on December 31, 2019, 12:55:19 pm
This seller stocks 2mm to 2.5mm hose suitable for the mast flex conduits
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-5-mm-Black-Tubing-for-Scale-Model-Detailing-Italeri-Tamiya-Revell-Airfix/383271455696?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on December 31, 2019, 04:06:02 pm

They'll do for me

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-8VLSLxm/0/13c3da94/X3/F3348F07-7CB1-4EC4-9697-D32034CAF4A5-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-8XrxK4f/0/c24675f1/X4/9DA6D3BA-02AA-4FEC-ACA3-D99B63A5CCBB-X4.jpg)


I've used Halfords appliance white on this.
I'll allow full hardness before fitting the FURUNO decal


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-mast/i-Q8xLQbZ/1/aca771ed/XL/C5310A04-8AFE-4F13-82A6-D561464FDDC8-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 01, 2020, 08:36:29 am
Happy New Year Shannon modellers .
My only resolution is to finish this build before 2021  {-) 
Not unrealistic  :-)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 01, 2020, 10:12:24 am
No mistake with this, the largest size milled Z that Knupfer stock. I bought it in the hope ....


0.8mm drill 1mm tap M1 x 3mm screws

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(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-4tht25q/0/5698881c/L/CD91C998-F41F-4532-B236-1EFEE51694CF-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-C8qppDr/0/db7ad9a0/L/24810F4F-91D5-4926-B17D-B3F792577C35-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-hBj26Kw/0/c43fb8c0/X3/4095AFF1-1164-4BBE-8EF9-5018760EBD2A-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 01, 2020, 02:41:45 pm
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-Bq4z9bZ/0/3489ebfe/X3/1F14E34C-5DB1-4064-A27D-29087D554CDB-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-Wc4Nnf3/0/7bc113bc/X3/E4533407-4952-42D9-AEEE-9C00543DE4BB-X3.jpg)


Unfortunately for other modellers this ratchet is now discontinued by RC4WD


Also one issue is that it will not release tension so must be made demountable once tension is applied if you need to remove the bow cable.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-xWfjpFQ/0/ec2094e1/X3/447808ED-9FEF-4D34-A871-2C7C8C4858D3-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-zzSVJV4/0/7d0a142a/X3/25DA1FF1-754C-41DF-AACC-023B7DAB356C-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-hXtqmqW/0/64669590/X3/DC02FEA5-7BA7-4B1F-9BD1-EF4BB3931997-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 01, 2020, 04:54:01 pm
Radar finished
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/f753umCEzSg" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on January 01, 2020, 04:59:10 pm
Just wonderful! %%
Kim
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 01, 2020, 05:42:11 pm
Thank you much appreciated. :-)


Been a good day
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-5Gqqgf7/0/08f7d548/X3/9CDDD56D-1DAC-40EB-B9EB-2E6D721F932E-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-cZ5NDJ3/0/64219a06/X3/00EB1E59-33C5-45CB-844F-B4AA024B5D00-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 01, 2020, 10:30:59 pm
The anchor plinth took no time really but it spurred me on to make the Hydraulic pipe protector. I've yet to see one that looks like it so I've copied pictures from 13-15


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-MC2m7pb/0/e8a97a84/X3/5C9C5FC3-6E42-4999-8F30-6C91329770C6-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-fMzhTF6/1/465893d0/XL/9948B10D-6CB2-4ABD-8A51-EDFE13A58D3D-XL.jpg)


This was two profiles cut to shape, 2mm sitting on 1mm then 4 x 1mm pieces for the fixing points.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-hfCdfrn/0/b6b05381/X3/E916B9C7-C712-4966-8448-C0C254864735-X3.jpg)




Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on January 02, 2020, 01:36:23 am
Andy,
Folder 2 on second DVD of photos, and especially for the SeaCatch when it comes!!
Kim
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 02, 2020, 02:21:13 pm
WOW what a fantastic additional set of photos , need all day to browse them  :-)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 02, 2020, 10:59:13 pm
Not done much today and I ran out of paint mid spray so a trip to LMS tomorrow.


Fresh pictures from Scarborough show the deck connector to be a cube so the nicely ovalized one needs a file to it.


I've also made the keeper for the sea catch safety locking pin. Not in picture


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-MQ2R8Jd/0/4765f170/XL/5FC6AA6A-22DB-4EC4-8790-4F62D2F8F6C8-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 03, 2020, 11:53:43 am
Looks great from over 6" away. Camera is too good  %% 


For this build I'm using Tamiya TS66 for the non textured deck parts


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-dFWwrZS/0/b45dacf9/XL/E2C43E15-1B8D-4ADD-A101-5E1766F4923B-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-B6DjHF2/0/4fab3559/XL/412513F6-95F8-4A89-9EE2-4741BC8C41E2-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-tqf2SNj/0/99e232c4/XL/A10DE214-4695-4F9E-BB38-0547F50EC5BB-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 03, 2020, 01:51:41 pm
The silicon tubing arrived and an overdue delivery direct from Japan.


The Tamiya scriber is a must for styrene modellers
£5.48 delivered if you don't mind waiting up to month  :-)


Link. https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002KKBVTC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002KKBVTC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)



(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-cfQdND5/0/d079e2e8/X3/AC540D68-12B8-4A8A-BDF7-AA976A7ED11A-X3.jpg)




YOU TUBE
https://youtu.be/SH7kGetSOgg (https://youtu.be/SH7kGetSOgg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 03, 2020, 05:25:38 pm
Hydraulic pipe and forward support completed


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-McHPNWV/0/1a88aeb6/L/26623C8D-72E6-4399-B657-78051FE8F8EF-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-Jb3Wjvs/0/ad7d6e1a/L/D7E5FE7D-0E19-4566-A076-F24EF90A4C6C-L.jpg)

My attention is now focused on the Sea-catch. I toyed with making it functional but decided against without an exploded view to work from.

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-W5c9Zvn/0/06fd35c2/L/7AABCBC3-2C33-4FE2-BBEA-5B66B9328D97-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-4phnPnp/0/d284263c/L/44483E21-CDAF-49BB-8408-275489820EFD-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-24jTPtC/0/736597b5/L/97C8E37F-FBF5-44CE-B735-89F3B9F50CE9-L.jpg)

Work in progress
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Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon SEACATCH
Post by: Taranis on January 03, 2020, 07:15:55 pm
continued...
1mm outer plates 2mm inner parts
1/8 brass rod


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-Xr6tB5B/0/c56f3dff/X2/B72EE322-18C2-4815-A300-CA290FA6A8D4-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-r99Fz2x/0/49304130/X2/E084D3D2-AE87-4AA4-A683-EC298C69CA44-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-pXX2MF9/0/62cabe04/X3/AD6EF3F7-1F99-4B3B-A27D-34CB7A146158-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-M7kdCjL/0/101097a8/X3/0620A5B4-03AF-452F-BB1A-575FC3AE7388-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 03, 2020, 09:42:20 pm
Primer really picks out the detail
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-R4xfgBc/1/4cb574bd/L/01732DC4-9F48-4C04-ADE4-73801B3E833C-L.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 03, 2020, 10:49:00 pm
So far most of the dreaded parts I have managed to create with much less resistance than I imagined and have turned out with a grin on my face but there are still specific items I cannot see a way through


The Speaker on the mast is a real blockage so if anyone has a thought on a way forwards pray tell?


I'm not interested in a pre made compromise


Arno Kim ?? AN other


P.S. looking at the previous picture I may attempt to scribe the lines to isolate the separate parts
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on January 03, 2020, 11:33:44 pm
Andy,
I will turn my speaker on my lathe [and I would think Arno will too], but before I got that 17-21 used to be amazed at what I 'turned' using my Dremmel fixed in a vice!! This is what I did for my Arun class aerial reducers and cappings. So that might just be the one way forward......then start dropping hints for a lathe [birthday] my wife bought mine for my 60th birthday some thirteen years back!! Seriously, another little idea to get the 'funnel' could be to find a small plastic syringe [or similar] and cut off the conical reduction section and glue this to some styrene rod/tube [maybe a little fettling to get it up to your fine standards]. Then I think all those little fins on the back will just have to be cut out and glued into place using spacers......that is what I will do - when I get there in 2025!!
Cheers, I am sure you will come up with another 'little gem' - but here is a 'starter for 10'!!
I'm back to the workshop for a little while now, to take the excess solder off the supporting fins on the gob-eye fairlead bases that I did this afternoon.


Kim
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 04, 2020, 07:33:08 am
Thanks for the ideas and the drawings  :-))


Pet project is a working sea catch now  {-)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 04, 2020, 03:53:54 pm
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-JqWdrZw/0/8bc9d4d4/XL/1D5D6C8A-3A28-4B94-B5DC-C4D676F48398-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-P3bxZp5/0/0a819e1a/X2/4D1D655F-1587-4370-8BAC-19DD7F2FD739-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: kinmel on January 04, 2020, 04:07:18 pm
absolutely cracking scratch build  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 04, 2020, 04:12:35 pm
Thank you Alan. I'm not completely happy with the paint but that can be changed.
Iphone picks up the tiniest of flaws that you would not notice by eye


I'm not bothering with the shackle as it's not part of the boat itself, especially after launch.


JH just told me that the safety pin would be in the stowage tube before launch and would stay there until recovered  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon Bow Roller
Post by: Taranis on January 05, 2020, 01:38:52 pm
Continued.....


I started with an approximate shape then duplicated it. I've used 1.5mm styrene sheet.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-v5QRKWQ/0/2d43ea6d/L/D8D4A416-BB3C-42A1-865C-92CF3F0C60C5-L.jpg)


I left it slightly long at the front edge so I could put the parts in a vice to form the flares with a hot air gun and a steel ruler to press evenly to get both identical


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-S623XTc/0/28afc01a/L/28EC0526-BF8C-4611-846D-69B0E5EC6F39-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-4KghhMn/0/84cf45be/L/98789AD3-AEB0-4A0F-AB82-85BCBD02BFA9-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-S4SNdmG/0/744d80e7/L/697EB464-F850-47C4-B006-BE408426521C-L.jpg)


Brass 3.18mm rod and styrene tube
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When I get confirmation of the exact height I will modify accordingly
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Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 05, 2020, 05:19:34 pm

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-rNc4Dpw/0/d0c4916a/XL/925E27AB-3579-4A69-8876-1DB48BC9CAC2-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-Wsk4g95/0/ba44a836/XL/051DF128-7FBB-45F6-9D58-54C3D248D3B8-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-qzZTjVQ/0/ff831658/XL/D7CFA81B-359F-4652-B556-E6AB903D35AF-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-jSR2cLq/0/2ae08eb0/XL/CD48BB9A-CEDB-4806-A0D4-E48E7DC9B652-XL.jpg)


Almost ready for primer
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Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 05, 2020, 09:53:39 pm
It was still far too tall. Need to be looking at 15mm max
My roller is a bit high but no one will know  ok2
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-RNFkB79/1/7e4da5d5/X2/DE9524BA-94C3-46D5-A408-E283828CA932-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 06, 2020, 05:27:59 pm
You will have noticed that much of my build, the mast for example is held together with small machine screws.
A set of micro taps like this is a must and the price for a set like this is probably less than you might pay for a 1mm tap alone.
I mainly tap styrene or the GRP so these are plenty good enough.


£6.99 from UK
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10-Mini-M1-M3-5-Drill-Straight-Fluted-Screw-Tread-Tap-Metric-Hand-Tap-Tools-OLY/153110900139
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: SailorGreg on January 06, 2020, 06:47:53 pm
Wow, lovely work.  And prolific too.  You manage as much in a day as most of us would manage in a week.  Quick question - where do you do your spraying? Do you have an inside booth or do you dash out into the garden?

Greg
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 06, 2020, 06:55:10 pm
Thank you Greg
All the small parts are done with Tamiya spray which tolerates nipping out in most temperatures. The larger parts are spring summer only and outdoors so very often frustrated.
I hope to have the cabin fully prepared ready for the warm weather and likewise the other big items
The hull is I think complete now.


P.S.
I have more free time than many as I gave up work. Fortunately my wife has her own hobby too that she is just as keen on so usually we both do our own modelling in adjacent rooms without conflicts.

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 07, 2020, 11:41:16 pm

Much less time modelling today but what I have done is prepare the hull for the rest of the primer and taken the deck off to fit a 2mm pad of styrene below all the forward fittings for better tapped holes.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-6M8vCDM/0/bc7b5e78/X3/1CA07EB4-12D0-4A3D-9005-E482C5FCB979-X3.jpg)





Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 08, 2020, 07:01:07 pm

The styrene plate has made the deck more rigid too, it no longer moves when applying pressure. Some of the smooth finish applied.
Iíve also extended the base plate of the bow roller and made the grab rails
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-LKdMwRN/0/87bb8427/X3/0D716295-2275-48D6-B796-9807629D6DE7-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-nMK8hLj/0/73becc54/X3/FA7BF7C9-1B43-44ED-9ADB-82CBC878E802-X3.jpg)


Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: RST on January 08, 2020, 07:45:35 pm
Very nicely put together. You have more patience and attention span than me!


When I do something that neat in the last minute I bash something or spill a bottle of glue or paint and undo half the work!


Rich
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 08, 2020, 07:50:52 pm
Thank you Rich
Believe me Iím not immune to my share of accidents  {-)
Photos are carefully selected  :embarrassed:
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 10, 2020, 04:06:32 pm
Yesterday I started the anchor with no sure idea of how to do it but it's slowly taking shape. Having studied the real one I can't say I've seen a scale one that copies it correctly.


Anyway a few pictures showing the steps so far.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-Xfkj7qN/0/b409db36/L/40C812F7-BFF3-4FC8-BCEE-338B0E6235AE-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-P7QK6vk/0/cdd5dcac/L/431273DB-6CAF-482D-B905-189998548FC7-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-Mbf26qL/0/2e49f093/L/174710E9-A4A7-418F-8DBE-48B05190D16C-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-HKVhsmC/0/b8db7eac/L/4D0AECC4-7BC9-4758-9A38-CCF7C99C8D23-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-KTGK9VZ/0/6098daf6/L/514679EB-26D4-4E51-81E9-1C2DA5EFE5A7-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-3HDwH3V/0/34355fb8/L/BD699EDE-C993-4A3E-8597-9E3D18F68CF8-L.jpg)


Still a lot of shaping before adding other details. Very rough but it will succeed


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-zTK3TSh/0/505a979b/XL/80CFC8F6-76CD-4BC5-845B-A01D195EC318-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-FgDZ2VP/0/01810e06/XL/8F646C77-4BAF-4329-9E93-E0D0708560A2-XL.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-ZqTG8dT/0/0b2772aa/M/i-ZqTG8dT-M.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-FrbwTRm/0/df828acd/M/i-FrbwTRm-M.jpg)






Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 10, 2020, 10:14:06 pm
Getting closer
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-gDJGJWS/0/ed3a2b9d/XL/D2E88594-E5FB-4594-B295-1471AF85F133-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-dsxbNWC/0/2938c2cf/XL/82FDCD50-0F5D-4881-B4D4-4A6FF77C36DD-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 11, 2020, 12:22:06 am
As I pass midnight and roll into my 62nd year on planet Earth  :-)


This is how I believe the anchor should look


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-GVh5Tcb/0/dfc363e9/XL/983DC17A-4DDD-4995-A508-3884720B71B8-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-CTP7MWX/0/69ab6c6c/XL/981A2E95-E114-4319-8026-70B06EFD273E-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: RST on January 11, 2020, 01:00:18 am
My late father used to have a flatmate called "Peter Bruce" who apparently used to play with little "toy anchors" like this in a fish tank in their flat while my dad was out working properly.  ...wonder what ever came of that in terms of anchor designs?
...nice work.
Rich
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: kinmel on January 11, 2020, 08:41:36 am
Looking at photo 023 in Adrian's "anchor" folder, that is a a very good scratch built version.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 11, 2020, 08:55:49 am

Thank you Rich

Looking at photo 023 in Adrian's "anchor" folder, that is a a very good scratch built version.
Thank you Alan

Adrian's anchor in the kit misses the triangular shape of the pointed part, doesn't flare outwards after the deck holder and doesn't have the corner parts. Its a simple kite shape so I deliberately copied actual photos from JH in Scarborough rather than the Speedline one.


The many hours scratch building would be wasted by copying someone else's work if its not accurate or not of the version you are making.

Anchor gallery for 13-15 https://techno.smugmug.com/Shannon/13-15-anchor/n-RCNLVf/
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-ZqTG8dT/0/0b2772aa/L/i-ZqTG8dT-L.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Netleyned on January 11, 2020, 09:00:18 am
My late father used to have a flatmate called "Peter Bruce" who apparently used to play with little "toy anchors" like this in a fish tank in their flat while my dad was out working properly.  ...wonder what ever came of that in terms of anchor designs?
...nice work.
Rich
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 11, 2020, 09:15:59 am
Excuse the paint on my hands  {-) 
Ole Bodker has done a terrific paint job on his Speedline that looks exactly like galvanising for which I presume he's used stippling. I hope to quiz him over it.

Ole's Speedline
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-KD7xGsN/0/2a409ab5/M/80315781_10214764833265946_9100605567839240192_n-M.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-w63QgG4/0/c4c79cbf/X2/2A557BFA-EA72-44EB-B6B0-20D5985D8516-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-WZzn5fd/0/4f32301c/X2/20ACCC37-A068-4328-90D1-33A5901D782F-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 11, 2020, 04:24:12 pm
Filled and primed again
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-5TkG7gz/0/a0fe1478/XL/5E04D3A8-4125-464A-A9F2-0A015997B033-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-g56JFf4/0/577d6956/XL/B57AA832-7278-4D0C-A6E9-65D23CD3DD67-XL.jpg)


I'm now working on the chain locker too


12mm brass washer and some brass tube
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-V77HH7x/0/bd06bd3f/XL/72CB2315-BAD1-4AC8-B255-1D9709AA4C88-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-WJmXDks/0/58d73366/XL/553C4B49-3B01-4513-8603-D6A79E8DBDB6-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-v7VrR4B/0/11c9f483/XL/F7D1C012-E8FE-4EFC-B7E4-24A33194D2EC-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-3C94sQq/0/7448b2a3/X2/D85B43F2-A938-458F-A937-E003D08DF584-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: kinmel on January 11, 2020, 05:26:52 pm
I hope you are going to make casts of all these parts before you finally fix them to the boat.
It will save you a lot of time when you start making kits to sell.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 11, 2020, 06:28:20 pm
I thought about that for about 2 mins  {-)   Four years today to my state pension :party time:
I gave up a very well paid job so I could build my boats and live the retired life style, any time spent not doing the things I want to is really counter productive and would not make as much as I could at work
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 12, 2020, 11:18:23 am
Slow start today but hope to finish these


The Chain locker just needs the hinge adding to the far side before priming.
It's beyond me to make such a tiny wing nut so this will have to do.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-bLShZ48/0/bbb58960/XL/FD79BC06-1176-4147-ACB4-64D3B03981CB-XL.jpg)


This is the start of the Anchor.... I'm going to call it a Shoe. It fits the triangular nose of the anchor exactly and when the sides are added it holds the anchor above the deck not on it.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-SVzM7kx/0/58823ffa/XL/34C67B54-597E-4CB8-A392-D8CCF9154E5E-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 12, 2020, 09:10:39 pm
Lots of ups and downs but got there


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-3D9rzWt/0/3b73022a/XL/EB73E1D3-9956-4AD2-B275-FC343B8A7CC0-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-6RXBnBg/0/8ef58160/XL/157D16EF-0F61-4F22-8EC0-09D494D75DF8-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-pvfknP3/0/d4cb6b58/XL/5F5D95E9-8A58-460B-B0EA-6F927EFF2EEB-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-R56KhR9/0/9117a995/XL/C0D92107-1415-48B3-A9FD-F40EBC8742B9-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-Sdcfp3n/0/e0a7ba81/XL/70795C37-50A7-443C-AA21-8E45E0AE425B-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 12, 2020, 09:54:36 pm
The rest ...


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-nM6QVvg/0/05cd7eb9/X2/D9FF0B89-5E8B-4EFD-9685-DCD2D121719D-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-H5WVnXJ/0/357fa80e/X2/EECB4C00-BE91-46A8-851E-CBD4F555F235-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-3dxM6dk/0/ddcbee76/X2/8AE3673C-9A25-48EF-94E4-9C5B6702F597-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: JimG on January 13, 2020, 12:25:27 pm
Very good metalwork there. It's difficult to know the exact size of some of the parts however you say that it is too hard to make the wing nut in this scale. Have you tried the simple method using an aluminium tube section crimped round the bolt, the wings can then be filed to shape. The photo shows a crude version I tried with a 2mm threaded rod, took around 5 minutes, with your skills you could make a better job.

Jim
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 13, 2020, 12:32:03 pm
Thank you Jim.
That's a useful idea  :-)


However meanwhile Kim has linked me to a site in America that sells small parts at a fair price except for the $16 shipping. My order would fit on a 5p piece  {-)
https://model-motorcars.myshopify.com/collections/small-parts-hardware/products/wing-nut-brass-5-8-mm-wn58 (https://model-motorcars.myshopify.com/collections/small-parts-hardware/products/wing-nut-brass-5-8-mm-wn58)


I could just swap this out or as Kim suggested cut a nut off drill and tap it  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 13, 2020, 02:41:15 pm
Now the primer is on I can see the slight fettling required but this is also the stage with the brass and plasticard covered that from here on people ask where did you buy that  {-)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-sTQWkjc/0/7d825dae/L/90E486DA-CF96-40E3-8DB9-0370B881DA0D-L.jpg)


I've started on the Anchor securing bracket


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-d3KWQsz/0/a2185a59/L/97604211-6101-42A9-8658-4DB9CB759E92-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-j39K4w8/0/8ac5c645/L/477D9A80-D8B5-4D7E-A3B7-21AA6ECA9FE4-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-2QBjmxc/0/a07690d9/L/5B855D6F-DE79-4E2B-85F3-C204CF94C627-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-d6kJ5pC/0/cb9dbdc7/L/1D412B64-1304-4B9C-8BDC-E1BB8A12E60B-L.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 13, 2020, 05:30:43 pm

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-MwMd4d7/0/05f19339/XL/47ACFD4D-E248-4997-BE5C-65BFE3471C2E-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-HFJ3X6p/0/54dd16bd/XL/692AD759-645F-46FD-A849-B67B1378708E-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-nxppMxb/0/c9d305ab/XL/5DFDC463-2C35-40BD-B7A5-15055F938AB3-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-XQtfqnc/0/9eecfd4f/XL/E3830E78-B6B1-4D49-AC5B-68A1D6C34D1B-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 15, 2020, 12:36:58 am
Not a lot today.
I've painted the anchor securing bracket and started making the 8 bases for the cleats


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-SgnGjx4/0/df396dfb/X2/32E86115-CDA0-4CB5-B30C-3567A9775276-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-5WCfZ97/0/99efc6e9/X2/9E66F694-EB7D-4B6E-AABD-3F2093F970DB-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: destroyer42 on January 15, 2020, 05:39:37 pm
Hi Andy,
Excellent work been watching your build with great interest, I have a Speedline Shannon kit 1/12 scale that I hope to start at some point . where do you get the scale plans from?

Colin AKA Destroyer42.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 15, 2020, 05:42:31 pm
Hi Colin
Black Market or eBay.
There is still a plan on the Speedline drop box but it needs printing off, however it only shows port side and birds eye view no front and rear elevation.


EDIT I lied it does show stern view but plan view has much missing in detail.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/02lnanyv5pc8cfu/AADr2XDwXKUR95T3SWwl8zFua/Plans?dl=0&preview=12th+scale+Port%2C+plan+and+rear+view.jpg&subfolder_nav_tracking=1 (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/02lnanyv5pc8cfu/AADr2XDwXKUR95T3SWwl8zFua/Plans?dl=0&preview=12th+scale+Port%2C+plan+and+rear+view.jpg&subfolder_nav_tracking=1)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 15, 2020, 05:50:44 pm
The raised deck platforms for the cleats I am making from 3mm thick paxolin.
5" sander set to an angle that achieves an aesthetic shape.


Need to temporary fix the fenders to find the locations.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-BsCZD3B/0/f91877f3/XL/7C9659C8-C941-40F5-9021-4692D4CDB530-XL.jpg)


I made one template and then make the rest to match


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-qRQ7ZPw/0/0b1d00b1/XL/DBB829A7-5735-440C-858B-0395FD53F965-XL.jpg)


3 more to fit then the deck can be primed again


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-5MMncq8/0/2debd61d/X3/C6D4C174-E8D0-426A-A10D-B4EEC918C19C-X3.jpg)


It also occurred to me that a single screw through each could help hold the deck on
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 15, 2020, 11:23:13 pm
This is certainly worthwhile in addition to the nuts on the stanchions.
The screw will be concealed by the push fit cleats.
I will also not need to tape the deck on for sailing during testing
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-tg4sJWM/0/275a028c/X2/56C7D2E1-5EA9-41A5-9927-3A796D09F763-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-khwmWCG/0/1b179d9b/L/E6F89510-02D1-4C76-A002-6C231EB457F1-L.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 16, 2020, 01:11:22 pm
At the stern I already have alloy angle in place for the railings so just 6 more to fit for the fixing points.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-rSW5Rc4/0/be58c2c6/XL/1F500439-0B0F-49DD-8486-F6C222924A98-XL.jpg)




(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-9tfFFMV/0/e35016ab/XL/B84CBADC-A94D-43BE-B6DB-9F549D7C2017-XL.jpg)


Poundland 5min epoxy


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-Dz72LSM/0/b563e2f7/XL/CD5A4168-4F25-4C6C-939B-8B392FFC49B0-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 16, 2020, 08:15:26 pm
So today the 8 cleats mounts are now fitted and screws through to secure the deck.The Tamiya primer will blend back in very easily.
Iíve also removed a lot of material from the battery tray.
Also taken a bit off the leading edge of the anchor bed.


Now unless Arno has posted those cleats to me  {-)
I have eight to make plus four stag horn bollards


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-JsQV2hg/0/35aefeee/X5/41F10FD4-C082-4753-B261-9681D45249F9-X5.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 17, 2020, 09:42:37 pm
I've decide to use brass for the cleats and I started by making one baseplate as a drilling template for the eight.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-rZCnRFS/0/3cf6f9aa/XL/BA83DFCD-4363-46AB-9BCB-B1A1B606EF52-XL.jpg)


Template used to drill each mounting and I'm using 2.5mm rod for these.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-QQGCTsx/0/5d20db7d/XL/75B2EBBB-E21D-4797-A69A-F7A7BF20DEAB-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-zfkGwtr/0/43790d64/XL/165B8005-0446-4265-9EF5-D98E9E2A345D-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-9rrSnmq/0/6027bad8/XL/617FC40C-751E-4565-99CD-F0E654EF8680-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-P3cwLM2/0/6b177755/XL/5C4B6D76-ED03-4778-B78A-C20AE6987973-XL.jpg)


Tamiya FINE primer for plastic & metal.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-PwKWCV9/0/6333dc29/XL/CB333AA4-DF03-4090-BD07-A85FD9144F2F-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-DN8CWhC/0/5a3be633/XL/706B693E-1B17-435D-8CF7-9538AADC2D99-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-794N4KZ/0/57f16c2e/X4/C7585D7B-1498-40BA-A6D0-913185079352-X4.jpg)

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 17, 2020, 10:54:14 pm
The question was just raised regarding these cleats.
Cleat is the correct title but by design it can also be used as a fairlead.
This is identified in the Shannon RNLI handbook


Thank you JH @ 13-15  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: RST on January 17, 2020, 11:31:43 pm
I don't see any question but for ages I've found these kind of  things described as either by different folk!!
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 17, 2020, 11:39:15 pm
Question wasnít raised on here Rich

Item 2 deck fittings


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-B43ZnVJ/1/b588d3ac/X2/EEA24B1F-6727-402F-AF55-400ED2E70EFA-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: RST on January 17, 2020, 11:51:53 pm
Well that makes more sense then!

On your pics above though I'm a bit intrigued what is a "jet space" on a lifeboat and why does it need a hatch!? -aft deck item 1.

Cheers

Rich
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: RST on January 17, 2020, 11:54:10 pm
....pff just realised "water jets" so presumably hatch to that particular compartment!  Sorry!
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 17, 2020, 11:54:47 pm
I would say you made the correct conclusion  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: RST on January 18, 2020, 02:13:47 am
Yea, sorry. What's item 10 "switch" set up?
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 18, 2020, 09:15:31 am
Runs the capstan when stood on
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 18, 2020, 10:02:41 am
Anyone wishing to make the cleat mounts the same way? This is the material but you need a good quality dust mask or preferably a sander with dust extraction or both.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3-mm-Phenolic-resin-paper-based-sheet-200-mm-x-100-mm-Electrical-insulation-etc/121186949381?_trkparms=aid%3D1110001%26algo%3DSPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131231084308%26meid%3D13e8aa17a78a46a6995a824e9711e889%26pid%3D100010%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D2%26sd%3D121663971875%26itm%3D121186949381%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2047675&_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: The Old Fart on January 18, 2020, 12:18:43 pm
Anyone wishing to make the cleat mounts the same way? This is the material but you need a good quality dust mask or preferably a sander with dust extraction or both.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3-mm-Phenolic-resin-paper-based-sheet-200-mm-x-100-mm-Electrical-insulation-etc/121186949381?_trkparms=aid%3D1110001%26algo%3DSPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131231084308%26meid%3D13e8aa17a78a46a6995a824e9711e889%26pid%3D100010%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D2%26sd%3D121663971875%26itm%3D121186949381%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2047675&_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3-mm-Phenolic-resin-paper-based-sheet-200-mm-x-100-mm-Electrical-insulation-etc/121186949381?_trkparms=aid%3D1110001%26algo%3DSPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131231084308%26meid%3D13e8aa17a78a46a6995a824e9711e889%26pid%3D100010%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D2%26sd%3D121663971875%26itm%3D121186949381%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2047675&_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109)
I'm using brass bar for cleat mounts.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 18, 2020, 12:30:16 pm
All blended into the deck now. Tamiya is great paint.
Invisible joints
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-tjD8QBx/0/a9d7f73f/X3/52162807-B2D4-47D2-BD24-20BF7D8E21C0-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-4tQqLSp/0/436bc245/X4/ED3E9F9C-EA2D-44FE-8878-055E28E7DA27-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-tVrSnBT/0/908a94b7/X3/40139E71-3BAB-4EAC-ABFA-D72B81FC74FE-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 18, 2020, 03:32:14 pm
I've decided to forego the problems with chrome paint and I've tried Tamiya TS-83 metallic silver instead.
This is best applied on top of matt black and I'm satisfied with the result. It withstands handling without affecting the finish.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-GkzZjcK/0/57e12af7/XL/B0F595A7-CC03-457A-A0BC-4CCB71B12C53-XL.jpg)


Plenty long enough that they won't fall out.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-TrZFZfP/0/9580b95c/XL/60588B71-F393-432C-A8C1-5E38E479D431-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-pSrGx8Z/0/d21d3cc5/X3/619BB042-7C0E-40B9-BDB2-A48C79A02402-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-dnnG37v/0/c9481026/X3/536F957E-2322-4BBE-8FD3-6D471A0EA971-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-MvpjvdF/0/a51001ed/X4/02604232-8168-4BC6-BE48-EE80611E48B9-X4.jpg)


Dry day so I got plenty of fettling done
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-Hngfv9D/0/190cdabf/X3/E6731AB9-6AD2-4BEB-944E-AC161DD430D3-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Mark T on January 18, 2020, 05:10:38 pm
Just been catching up on the forum as I've been a bit busy of late - beautiful job Andy this build just gets better and better.  Lovely job on the cleats and anchor  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 18, 2020, 06:34:58 pm
Thank you Mark  :-)


I have learnt something about myself. I excel at making very challenging objects it seems especially if only the once like the radar. Making two is just about where I keep interested. When I have to do 4 or 8 etc I really lose motivation  ;D
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: swiftdoc on January 19, 2020, 08:52:38 am
Your cleats look the part, Andy! It is good to see that different approaches can lead to the same magnificent result. By the way: lovely racebike in the background. I ride a Colnago!
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 19, 2020, 09:06:19 am
Thank you Arno
I've not raced for nearly 10 yrs now. That is my Specialized Transition pro and I should have sold it on a long time ago. My road bike is a Team ONCE Giant TCR carbon but built myself with Campag Record carbon 10 Speed, this also I should have sold.
I did all events from 10 mile to 12 hr Time Trials as well as Sportifs in France like the La Ronde Picardie four times
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Cycling/Yorkshire-Velo-members/i-7dGhxz8/0/da0680ab/X3/YCF%2025%202nd%20May%2009-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: swiftdoc on January 19, 2020, 03:32:30 pm
Wow Andy, what a great photo! I cannot compete with that. I do cycling just to keep me fit and I like the speed. My Colnago is equipped with Campagnolo Chorus[size=78%] 11[/size] ok2
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 19, 2020, 09:54:47 pm
Cleats are doing my head in so as a break I've had a go at the Capstan foot switch.
Two brass washers and lots of 1mm screws. Only ONE of these  :} (https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-jXjV6sm/0/082506e0/X3/6AA92418-8540-4D6B-B90E-F1B3DD91BC72-X3.jpg)
All done by eye so not perfect but no one will look that close to notice when painted.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-sQcBSV7/0/24623f9f/XL/D3EDA3F1-73EF-418D-893C-0D908B756AEB-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 19, 2020, 10:34:28 pm
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-hJcbvPv/0/5dbbfc83/XL/359DD5AB-6D2A-495E-AF12-9683B3DD5A82-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: coch y bonddu on January 19, 2020, 11:03:08 pm
Just a top tip Andy about bolts......they are also available off peak tools sold as Glasses repair screws and are around £4 for a box,as Father used to be an Optician needless to say I got some of his old stock


Dave
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon STAG HORN BOLLARDS .... how to make
Post by: Taranis on January 20, 2020, 09:32:25 pm
I can't find a shop front website for them but you can buy large variety packs of small screws for specs and repair for a couple of pounds on eBay  :-))


Unlike Arno I decided against using any of the MBD bits supplied, as good as they were I wasn't happy with size and shape.


So first I established an angle for the tops of the horns and made eight pieces from 6mm that I topped off with flat strip.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-6F4w3BD/0/4c6ff840/X2/D583B4E6-34B3-47CA-8B22-689173CFAAF8-X2.jpg)


They will all be fettled when assembled


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-FvrCBLW/0/99beb4c4/L/040D82AA-1B31-4B0F-A907-24EA420BD5F9-L.jpg)


I then made a shoe for drilling the base plate at the correct angle under the pillar drill


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-DZ7KvzN/0/c0990773/L/0BD53F0C-5F9C-4AC6-9FB8-2F1CBE4031DB-L.jpg)


Working in stages to avoid ripping the styrene I finally reached 6mm


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-wr4T4Pg/0/5c48039a/L/CA65BDF0-DAE2-4F81-A9A2-EEE0D48F1804-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-XK5cwkP/0/f60c24bd/X2/725C89AB-916E-42BD-8051-EA51698E272F-X2.jpg)


continued..........
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 20, 2020, 09:38:12 pm
I then use the drilling shoe to hold the parts whilst gluing. Once set turn it around for the other.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-XK44PrT/0/b5b486ac/X2/1EF12D46-314D-45E3-9B1D-25C0C43C81C0-X2.jpg)


I think the rest is self evident from the pictures.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-q8mhHtD/0/7dca963c/X3/8377BF09-7D7B-4237-9B12-3941D87A8344-X3.jpg)


Carefully located using photos to as near as possible before drilling and tapping 1.4mm


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-w5Rcjb3/0/d5557521/X3/B70D600D-25F7-48A7-9027-1F3A771B02F4-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-TqKM8zP/0/43fe53ce/X3/383AF78A-EB2F-4B33-A810-FC0F4C2C7FFD-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: kinmel on January 20, 2020, 10:38:32 pm
I usually buy from this seller...   https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Spectacle-Glasses-Repair-Set-Kit-Sunglasses-Screwdriver-Eyeglasses-Fix-Screw/153697713372?hash=item23c918fcdc:m:mB-Z0_ebJ5cQtMQjrwuQO-Q
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 21, 2020, 12:08:38 am
I plan to do an updated ballast test by the weekend.
I had 941grams of lead previously to get to 9.4kg so I want to see what I have left for the remaining work.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-hFR6kLG/0/3e3faccf/X4/C7EB07F4-7A81-410A-B088-775EDAE8E83B-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-5jQsQwh/0/956bad18/X5/2411C07C-F4F6-45E5-8EB3-8A17571E3FD9-X5.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: dpbarry on January 21, 2020, 11:50:33 am
Just to let everyone know. The bolts holding the Capstan down are hard and it's not a good idea to trip on deck and land ones knee on one of them.  >>:-( >>:-(


Did it on Sunday on our Mersey. A few expletives from me and giggles from the crew - once they knew I was okay  {:-{ {:-{

Runs the capstan when stood on
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 21, 2020, 01:47:49 pm
Would be easy to make the screws countersunk flush but I imagine the idea of raised heads is the give the foot in rubber boots a better purchase on the switch  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 21, 2020, 04:20:51 pm
For the deck parts that are galvanised I'm taking the easy route as before and using galv spray.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-2CwcFQf/0/b9d8de6a/XL/397A4CA7-C8C4-46B9-A77F-175C08C7C652-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-jp3HZxz/0/24597014/XL/9877C81F-D8AA-4494-AC45-3E8CFE63D3D5-XL.jpg)


Flag testing for show displays


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-4nvbPR3/0/da8818b1/X4/21D68843-EF11-4C73-9444-00B74B566373-X4.jpg)



Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 22, 2020, 01:43:39 pm
I'm not sure I posted this previously but for small slotted CSK Stainless I use this seller. VERY cheap for 100 delivered. M1 &  M1.4 I use frequently

I also use bolt world for larger size CSK socket screws and button heads https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111753772101
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon POOLE ALC special
Post by: Taranis on January 22, 2020, 11:28:47 pm
Good friend JH sent today  :-))
Enjoy   43 photos. https://techno.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/Poole-ALC/i-cDG2d5X
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/Poole-ALC/i-cDG2d5X/0/7b85bb65/XL/182D5D8D-2D31-4613-87C9-6F59D29BC90C-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 23, 2020, 05:22:51 pm
At huge expense I bought some parts from America but with £8 post office charge and £4.59 VAT on top of $16 shipping I guess they're about £7 each  {-)


The wing nut. I also found I had fitted the lid hinge at the other side in the wrong place but managed to remove it and relocate without damage. The hinge should be square on to the direction of travel. The chain entry should point at the bend in the hydraulic pipe and the wingnut part almost point at the stanchion.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-ZrDcPh4/0/677a7282/X3/B86EE6D6-68F5-41B0-89FE-265709F2465B-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 23, 2020, 05:26:23 pm
All four staghorns are finished and screwed in place creating extra deck fixings to boot.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-RXLnj7d/0/9ca781f3/X2/5A0C8138-6D18-446B-B3B5-790B890887F5-X2.jpg)


For those like me who intend to not use any adhesive to fix the deck! This at the stern is the only part of the joint that is visible and as I don't want to use filler this is as clean a joint as I can manage. When it is Balliol Blue it will barely be obvious.

Four 1.4mm bolts of each gob eye foot secure the railings to the deck and so secure the deck to the hull.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-Rr9QrHM/0/d0b53541/X3/3BF5258A-5F1D-4B01-AAB9-B581C0115658-X3.jpg)


Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 23, 2020, 05:33:29 pm
Still have 5 cleats to make  {-)  but I'll do when I'm motivated.
Taking a look at the liferafts and being weight conscious I decided to drill out most of the front one where it is out of sight. 20mm hole saw.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-n5Pdkt5/0/a1f1bee8/X3/2B36CD62-5EFC-4F98-A609-5F9C4D040A84-X3.jpg)


Mounting shoes from 1.5 styrene


This will be Halfords Appliance white tomorrow.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-XFBfVGd/0/f322a6eb/XL/A9FAFAC7-4BE4-4740-8D75-524AA22AA60D-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-HhZNZD3/0/b65d41cb/XL/7BC0713A-3366-4960-8D00-4EF935D8BCBA-XL.jpg)





Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 23, 2020, 10:35:00 pm
I dismantled the capstan switch to paint it without painting the stainless screws.
I used TS 83 on Matt black
I worried about getting the now very very short screws back in as I fitted long ones and cut them off.
Not the first time Iíve struggled with short screws and I just had a brainwave to use a tiny dab of slow CA on the screwdriver tip
Worked a treat
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-tGw2XbB/0/82d56fd7/L/B7BA8F0C-EECB-4919-9714-2DE4A43B6D1E-L.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: RST on January 23, 2020, 10:51:25 pm
Did you see the post on modelboats forum recently ? Also offering a suggestion for metallic paints. Perfect chrome/shiny if desired!
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 23, 2020, 10:52:38 pm
No I rarely read there


Edit
Cannot find any discussion on this there
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: RST on January 24, 2020, 12:02:50 am
Can't seem how to post links when am on android but Graham Ashby's sea breeze build. Page 6 of 7 or summit.  I'm not a forum member any more but modelboats mag website and buying a copy whenever I can is an absolute must for me. So much info!!!!
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: mk1 on January 24, 2020, 06:12:25 am
Hi Andy as for the joint at the stern there is a L shaped piece that covers this joint cant you do some thing similar. Sorry cant find a photo at present.
John
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 24, 2020, 08:33:18 am
Hi John
I got your picture, I never realised it was like that so it gives me possibilities  :-))


Iíll have another look thanks Rich
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 24, 2020, 01:16:22 pm
The raft is now coated in appliance white. I'll leave 24hrs before adding the decal, strappings and securing strap.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-z8gbz3X/0/652f9a12/XL/365F51E4-C801-43C7-94C6-0EB0B5367947-XL.jpg)


It will be secured in the locker by a 3mm screw from below.
Here the shoes are fixed with 1.4mm bolts that also act as a spacer as the shoes do not sit flat to the locker base.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-FmD5XQt/0/561f5b7e/XL/5BF5251E-D962-4350-B83E-1A283B001A84-XL.jpg)


I made one more cleat this morning, yipee just four to do


P.S. Dave Hubble pointed out that we could actually make the raft locker less in depth in the first place and reduce the raft from the rear
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 24, 2020, 03:01:58 pm
I don't think we broached the securing of the deck hatches? I know John was looking at it but I've come up with this.


An old Xacto chisel blade and 5 min epoxy . Masking tape for something to hold to position it.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-WMDL5ZH/0/b0d4ff18/L/3D0D42C9-AAD4-498F-A76C-5F0ECA2FCE8E-L.jpg)


This is not in the way of anything as I only need those two screws out to remove the whole servo tray.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-nzdMnMS/0/e5ee2641/X2/E8D3945C-F03E-4E15-885B-CA16D3BF4EB5-X2.jpg)


Fit whatever magnet works, no need for contact as long as there's enough pull.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-GT5k8wb/0/6d37f164/X2/B6CB66E5-5FD9-4584-9F3D-46AAAB01E8FC-X2.jpg)


This sucker is for removing display spot light lamps and is ideal to take the covers off.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-hLnLsrL/0/29f9bfb7/X2/E156BC64-C96E-4E80-9855-121D4E450CB0-X2.jpg)


I'm going to do the other two the same but with the blade at 90 degrees to the centre one

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 24, 2020, 06:06:02 pm
Decided I will do one cleat each morning so no more today. While the life raft is waiting I turned my head to the exhaust outlets.
Like the chain locker I'm using washers and brass tube but this time soldering.


I used a weight after placing the parts centrally by eye and covered in flux paste. Once one side is soldered I allow to cool and rotate it 180


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-2nzbvjD/0/11a1d3df/X2/E1A25805-FF12-4BEB-B261-1A4C325F5244-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-VsPzMf3/0/74132fa2/X2/9B8B7B90-741C-4487-933A-6AE6E7712496-X2.jpg)


Drilled and tapped for 8 x 1.4mm bolts


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-HjpJW7n/0/74346c14/X2/525321BF-0D32-4DB0-A424-C0D301015DCC-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-Mt8tTnM/0/4aa47973/X2/24E092D3-A9E3-468C-A3C5-90B285B4FE61-X2.jpg)

Angled downwards and ready for hinge and flap
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-9rWFQrn/0/24d0a1e8/X3/146527AB-3E38-4108-AA42-3462C6ECA40A-X3.jpg)


To be continued......
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 24, 2020, 06:31:55 pm
I meant to recommend Time Tunnel Models for those who use Tamiya paints
Best price and free courier delivery on £30 plus

TS-83 has gone up to £14.99 at Leeds Model shop  >>:-(

£9.99 at TTM
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 24, 2020, 10:42:00 pm
Paint felt dry so ...


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-SFwK97k/0/527812fa/X3/347B013B-937D-4E57-A1AE-F238A1F48166-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-pt8QKd8/0/345fe1d8/XL/i-pt8QKd8-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon weight warning
Post by: Taranis on January 25, 2020, 02:14:20 pm
A bath test today concluded four batteries is out of the question
Iím very close to the waterline with just 2  %%
I need to seriously look at where else I can shave weight off, the fenders alone are quite heavy!
Still have to consider weight of paint
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon Big reveal
Post by: Taranis on January 25, 2020, 05:54:07 pm
Todays waterline test


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-XsGp3bx/0/167b5011/X3/7A821F37-56FB-4200-9607-939160816A16-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-Tgj7FJm/0/835c6bf3/X3/06C9D6E4-86B7-4D04-A090-EE86DED3C93E-X3.jpg)


All the stanchions from my other Shannon. Still many small details to make and add


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-mbHk33b/0/c2bc5e03/X3/9A3923DE-B8C2-4E9D-AA2F-44D497774117-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 25, 2020, 05:57:38 pm
Start of weight shaving. I've got the new battery tray down to a third of the original and settled on two batteries


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-H83JTRV/0/b9d35f88/X3/22C214E2-6F38-42E9-B083-10E4C9D37404-X3.jpg)


Still holds the Bilge pipe


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-32sLc76/0/05eedf96/X3/2E68C13F-6FD1-4524-85E7-67D991262F77-X3.jpg)

Still many places that I can reiieve of weight
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-cjDK3w2/0/bb9b6b60/X4/5F8C1836-8BB1-4ACB-B346-DD3090F16AA2-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: mk1 on January 26, 2020, 06:57:36 am
The Back Hatches this is how I done mine I am just going to put a line of grease around the edges should be more than enough to stop any water from getting in. I know deck and hatches are different from the MBD ones if any body whats more info ask.
John
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: mk1 on January 26, 2020, 07:02:54 am
Checking for water leaks and cabin going of to be sprayed.
John
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 26, 2020, 10:32:03 am
Hi John
I have found neodymium magnets 6mm diameter that will be perfect to imitate the hatch securing thingies. Available from 0.5mm thickness upwards so I may drill the recessed circles through on the plastic parts and fit these after painting.


Re weight reduction, I've managed to shave another 240grams off plus the weight of 2 batteries so far.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 26, 2020, 11:09:02 am
REVISION
I've ordered more magnets but 5mm diameter. .5, 1 & 2 mm thick are on the way.
It will be more realistic with a 5mm shiny disc in the 6mm recess so I am using a 5mm drill to accommodate.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-wj8Sp7H/0/77822af1/X3/0FFDA018-D891-4068-A238-F0D0DE2BCB50-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 26, 2020, 04:53:12 pm
I was given an escape hatch lid from another model. The handle needs to be further towards the edge as it clashes with the opening lever in its current position. However that can be altered anytime. Meanwhile I made the hinges today and cut the hole which is handy for lifting the cabin off as a welcome bonus. I fitted magnets to hold the hatch closed.

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-67bHXNb/0/b999209a/X3/7AFA3515-898C-4E4C-9215-11DCFED7198A-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-ZBQ5b7H/0/4ffbc3f2/X3/F50F38F5-7E3A-44FB-98A0-DFAEA2C923BA-X3.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-WtcfkFb/0/0f03cb86/X3/7BB0BCB8-1E8B-4064-890A-AA3FB359B4FE-X3.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-Hkm4PQV/0/70a00570/X3/C27035D3-883F-4821-B4B5-DA140433760C-X3.jpg)



(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-8DwPjNN/0/dcff3bae/M/58D3947B-1F08-4075-A295-77DCA2FA0275-M.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 26, 2020, 09:15:04 pm
I worked carefully around the handle with a chisel blade and got it off undamaged. Relocated with CA  :-))


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-JWbM7H2/0/e0393ce1/X3/F0E8E251-9A59-49B2-9589-C0E322DAA00D-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Martin [Admin] on January 27, 2020, 12:50:55 am
 
Where are all the brass fittings / hinges coming from?
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 27, 2020, 09:35:17 am
From my hands Martin
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-4H2sxjk/0/beec6957/X3/BADD168C-D4B0-4465-B3B9-D3F83498B4A9-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Martin [Admin] on January 27, 2020, 11:22:31 am

From my hands Martin
 

(https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/tv/2016/03/07/paul-daniels_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqqVzuuqpFlyLIwiB6NTmJwfSVWeZ_vEN7c6bHu2jJnT8.jpg?imwidth=1400)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 27, 2020, 05:29:49 pm
Like it Not a Lot  {-)


Bish bash bosh! anyone got an idea for buckles to fit 2mm wide webbing?

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-pLSzV6h/0/6b4e3212/X3/FB2EA708-768C-4941-AACD-2A146E624E6D-X3.jpg)




EDIT thank you C3P0 :-))
https://theknittinglady.co.uk/index.php/misc-items/buckles/3-5mm-wide-buckle-x-1-silver-detail?fbclid=IwAR2uQSrIZ3tOu0g3JqLl2UMHOK-b-TR3H5YcerBs8my3-VXEusU6sUoYfaY
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: RST on January 27, 2020, 06:04:27 pm
Dolls belt buckles (these might be a bit big)...


https://www.bluebellminiatures.co.uk/product_list.asp?p_subcategory=OP11

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 27, 2020, 06:07:47 pm
Thanks Rich
I bought the ones I just posted in the edit , for 2mm webbing  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 28, 2020, 04:53:31 pm
Returning to the magnets idea.
These are the 5mm x 0.5mm and they do it for me. Wont look out of place on painted hatches.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-Wp4JZSp/0/3799c3dd/X3/D148459C-9A56-41F0-AD63-3ED1F9DC4C98-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 29, 2020, 06:06:05 pm
A couple of hours of tedium and again it just evolved.
I started with the main plate from sheet brass and then found suitable size brass tube and as it was 1.7mm rod for the hinge pin.
Soldering was awkward but managed obviously.
This will actually work if I wish but a bit pointless.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-8jc3J2Q/0/05add567/L/E4460ACF-0961-43B4-B5DB-91CF31BF4249-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-4wqrpS9/0/12a7f524/L/CD278F7E-79FE-4D29-83A0-1DEAAD9FA4A0-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-2CHzRjv/0/7adeaa4b/L/D2DABAAC-33DF-4A4E-8964-CAD60A89078E-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-zLxNH2d/0/ff31ba59/L/788283CD-4762-4A60-B236-4511E08117B8-L.jpg)


I had to deepen the rebates a bit
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-m355Dkf/0/7e09e732/L/518E2CCE-EEF6-4E26-98C0-7F080317F534-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-TLrZwHW/0/40c4fa8c/L/78551FC5-24F3-43CA-8888-CB1E49973D05-L.jpg)


Just the 8 screws to fit


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-wmfjnZd/0/4f59baba/L/5F8042D0-4021-412B-BF05-74EA5839707C-L.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 29, 2020, 09:25:00 pm




(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-MfDNsLP/0/70a58169/X3/10BC3C7E-C640-498E-A2A5-353997923F35-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-kchsxwP/0/1418fce9/X3/90E6E778-A836-4BE3-870D-F4F64F621E3A-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 29, 2020, 10:15:15 pm
I just bought a pair of these. If you're going to a show better to buy from ComponentShop but these are under £12 a pair delivered and because its less than £15 no import charges.
The ESC will cut power at a set voltage but better to have a little bit of advance warning to head back in.


https://uk.banggood.com/In-Line-Battery-Voltage-Alarm-with-LED-XT60-Plug-For-2-6s-Lipo-Battery-p-1177822.html?fbclid=IwAR2c3kjziD5cRzDGM0U6UwJg0efeQmImtDVTzlNeTgGDXiarnW1pz2AMMyA&cur_warehouse=CN
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 30, 2020, 10:42:04 pm
I don't know who is responsible for these parts but it really was a stroke of genius to make them how they did. It can pretty much be detailed to a completed finish before being very well inserted into the deck recess. It does need a lot of attention to the real hatch as it does need a lot of fettling to the subtleties that can be easily overlooked.
Firstly it should not fit flush to the deck and will need packing up slightly proud. All the edges need to be rounded off rather than sharp too.
Anyway here is a picture of the 13-15 hatch
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/Speedline-photos/i-2N9HSFR/0/e2bcb283/XL/DSC_3105-XL.jpg)


My progress so far and I haven't found a suitable colour yet either.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-pLGt6xj/0/0d3e1563/X2/847EB314-3DEC-4364-8C63-FC1E1E8F61DB-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: derekwarner on January 30, 2020, 10:58:19 pm
Well, after adding the complex profile of the anti-skid surfacing, I suggest your build is a pretty darn good representation of the origin  :-))


One question, on the actual vessel, does each of the Crew Members carry or wear a rope & square drive for the 4 x corner locks?


Derek
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: kinmel on January 31, 2020, 07:03:07 am
That hatch is the engine space emergency exit, the handles are on the under side.

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on January 31, 2020, 07:41:18 am
From JH

Hi Andy, the main purpose of the hatch is as an escape hatch for the jet space
- in case of fire, flooding or pyrogen discharge in the engine compartment (the standard access route)
The jet space is separated from the engine compartment by a watertight bulkhead with an acces door


The possible reason for a crewmember to be in the jetspace is to be able to manually control the buckets and steering nozzles by mechanical means in the event of a total failure of the electronic controls and the back up electrical controls.
The other reason to access there would be in the case of impellor fouling
As there are inspection scuttles /hatches that can be opened with the boat afloat (with everything stopped!) as long as sea-state is moderate to allow an attempt to physically remove or cur away whatever is fouling the impellor - (assuming that the normal control procedure of carrying out a back-flush by engaging reverse gear to drive the impellor in reverse has failed to clear the fouling)


As for opening the hatch the internal opening lever is permanently fitted, and you are correct that there is a removable
 key/lever that is stowed just inside and to the right of the wheelhouse door
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: alan44 on February 01, 2020, 03:09:24 pm
 Hi Andy. I chose this colour 👍
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 01, 2020, 03:12:03 pm
Good choice Alan and your Speedline is truly stunning  :-))
I just happen to have bought that myself along with AS-16 USAF light grey and about to try it.


EDIT the grey below , not sure until dry but I think you nailed is with Insignia


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-jVD7J6x/0/4d9d00b6/XL/4C637470-2210-4DA6-BB30-B4967A03CCD5-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 01, 2020, 05:19:37 pm
Yes definitely AS-20 Alan  :-))  I have finished mine in gloss clear. I'll leave it 24hrs before masking up for texturing.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-wLCBNnJ/0/39d41e28/XL/F30BA9C3-A31D-429E-BD54-5D217EAB4079-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 02, 2020, 03:13:46 pm
Can any of you at Poole come up with some dimensions for this? me3? Pleeez  O0
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/Poole-ALC/i-zzhS32S/0/163b42b2/X3/8502F06B-6281-42C7-A581-B7229F345303-X3.jpg)

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: me3 on February 02, 2020, 07:57:50 pm
Hi, Just seen this, I will see what I can do, give me a week and hopefully I'll have something for you!
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 02, 2020, 08:00:26 pm
Very kind of you. Absolutely no rush and as many beam sizes as possible. Iíll work most out from length and breadth  :-)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: me3 on February 02, 2020, 08:07:22 pm
No Problem, I will take as many measurements as I can and get a good set of photos for you during tea breaks over the next few days!
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 02, 2020, 08:08:07 pm
Brilliant  :-)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 03, 2020, 06:16:43 pm
I've started looking at the stanchions that I have to make for a second time. I need to be more organised to mass produce despite them all being different.
Firstly I discovered I barely have any 1/8th brass rod left.
Tired of paying £5.25 per 36" I've googled and found MACC Models to be best at £2.66 per length but postage has to be considered so I bought 10 lengths to average it out delivered to £3.56 per length.
https://maccmodels.co.uk/shop/1-8-brass-round-cz121-per-foot-2/ (https://maccmodels.co.uk/shop/1-8-brass-round-cz121-per-foot-2/)


Collection in person is possible too.


A bit further with the jet escape hatch. My masking up is below par but at a foot away it looks fine lol


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-QGW8vn8/0/b5f0ef07/XL/D234AB5B-3297-47E5-8862-8B3458E8A9B4-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: dpbarry on February 03, 2020, 07:20:50 pm
Hi Taranis..


Are your brass hinges nickel plated?


Declan
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 03, 2020, 07:25:52 pm
You need to go back
https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,61758.msg681679.html#msg681679 (https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,61758.msg681679.html#msg681679)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: dpbarry on February 03, 2020, 08:23:01 pm
Ahh!!! Apologies.  :D :D


Need time off from this work Melarky to re-read all the posts


Declan


You need to go back
https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,61758.msg681679.html#msg681679 (https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,61758.msg681679.html#msg681679)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 03, 2020, 08:25:03 pm
It pleases me that you thought they might be plated  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 03, 2020, 10:52:23 pm
A picture of the hatches having carefully drilled the 6 lock handles to accept the 5mm x .05mm magnets.
These can be fitted after finish paintwork so won't need masking up.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-QXC3qM4/0/11ae47d8/X2/51EB473E-4CFD-46CB-BFE2-E0C3E5AD0027-X2.jpg)

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: minimariner on February 04, 2020, 02:57:13 pm
           Alan,
                        Which colour did you use for the anti slip on
                        the rear hatch cover.

                                       Bryan.                                 
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 04, 2020, 09:47:29 pm
Best if you message him Bryan I don't think he looks in very often.


I had a brainwave to make a jig for drilling stanchions and railings. I'm not replicating like the real ones with tabs and holes but using brass hoops. It's usually fraught with slip offs trying to start a hole on round bar so I've used a piece of tub with a pair of holes then ground off the back to make it a C section.
Now the plan is too hold it where I want holes and start them off.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-CDV6VMg/0/115d2388/XL/1EB7E6D8-4324-4B60-8004-876E93A471FA-XL.jpg)


I've also drilled and fitted the fourth searchlight fitting point.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-CHNZfhf/0/22ce9486/XL/3BD5B901-8066-4E46-965E-BCBE312B57FA-XL.jpg)


EDIT
That works a treat  :-))


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-kcx8Rxt/0/2ac3128e/X2/EAA22FDA-5AF8-4E3B-AFF5-A6EA140C5363-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: alan44 on February 04, 2020, 09:50:40 pm
   Bryan,
       
I used Tamiya TS-48 gunship grey,  I tried others but it looked a reasonable match to me.


        Alan.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 04, 2020, 10:02:43 pm
I'm doing different this time Alan. TS66 with gloss clearcoat for deck margins and TS67 for top cover on Halfords texture.

I'm making the final cleat tonight, feels like ages so the stanchions might be weeks n weeks
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-MtdcqHL/0/c3afa50e/X4/8A35146C-C4B1-4AE5-B8C5-424D2D87FA16-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 04, 2020, 10:45:26 pm
So this time I'm avoiding soldering wherever possible. 1mm holes and 1mm rod, drilling clean through dry fitting to check then slow CA using a piece of rod as a depth stop so they all protrude the same amount.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-wsPBF3g/0/e65a2d2a/X2/7EDD6DC7-76B9-4895-9144-CC7B38BFC5E1-X2.jpg)


Trimmed and sanded
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-L9HFjJ6/0/03f4d7f3/X2/E2A8964E-E56E-489F-9BC7-65C9C21A4F4C-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 05, 2020, 09:07:30 pm
So having fitted the shackle attachment points I cleaned up and got some Tamiya FINE primer on.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-pPMjqDF/0/144e78bf/X3/2F95D639-00BD-420D-82CF-9E6DBE06166A-X3.jpg)


The construction of my Gobeye always left me with needing a solution of disguising the tube and rod so it looks like one.
I've decided to use car body filler and shape it which seems to have worked but needs more fettling yet.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-FpTf26Q/0/b5f8df74/X3/1D6F7DDA-DBFD-4FB6-9FCE-704ED074C734-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-nHJRNsP/0/3c494cec/X3/4E216328-BAD6-4C94-9CB1-4D831609B35D-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-p32z5GW/0/cb7eadbe/X3/4282D6F9-33CD-488D-97D1-A154525DB644-X3.jpg)


Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 06, 2020, 10:09:39 am
The drilling jig works so well apart from it being brass. The holes will all too quickly ovalise as the drill bit tries to run off the crown of the rod being drilled.
So I have ordered 6mm stainless steel tube with 3mm wall to make some more durable ones.

Centre punch I hear you say?
This is so very difficult to position accurately enough and even slightly out is a disaster on round brass.


For drilling speed slower is better by far, I guess about 100rpm and dip the bit in water frequently. The right speed and pressure will see a continuous length of swarf produced.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-CDV6VMg/0/115d2388/XL/1EB7E6D8-4324-4B60-8004-876E93A471FA-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 06, 2020, 11:54:28 am
All done apart for some minor blemishes  :-)  The missing bolts are the ones that will fix them to the deck.
Tamiya Bare metal Silver tomorrow. Going to theatre in Bradford now to see Joseph.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-VMwPHwM/0/165f5d76/4K/7105F29D-C70B-42EA-88B0-BA3684650C79-4K.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-S5949Bh/0/9d79d418/X2/8B4DD4CB-64F6-4CC3-9BFD-CD5839FC5A54-X2.jpg)

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 07, 2020, 05:37:12 pm
It's not every day you get a chance to do something twice  {-)


I wasn't happy with the corner braces in the last post so set about removing and remodelling.


Port side is done here and starboard in progress
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-Hgvchpr/0/8d36441a/X3/594030A4-8015-49A1-A035-A223449F0D43-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-hSR5Pkf/0/28135a25/X2/0158F0BA-649B-4DCF-9390-1066D53CDE1D-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-f8TjBbS/0/8033bdcc/X3/1A857283-D40D-4963-A6B0-927D8681B272-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 08, 2020, 10:46:56 am
Well worth doing it again or it would have niggled me forever more.


Now painted
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-5VH9mDg/0/11609dae/X4/4D202DBA-EC1E-402C-B01D-F29BE329F491-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-w6z6MVJ/0/453ea6b2/X4/693BE56D-0244-4F1E-A98B-6DC81ED8667A-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-PrqnSfB/0/64ac5f1a/X4/F267A79B-C43D-4EDE-82BA-07474B38E047-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 08, 2020, 06:05:11 pm
I think the final cleat means that apart from hinges all my deck fittings are now finished [party]


I guess I must start the stanchions  {:-{



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Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: coch y bonddu on February 08, 2020, 08:35:16 pm
As you have said Andy you live in a flat how on earth do you manage to get parts sprayed without your good lady killing you




Dave
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 08, 2020, 11:24:34 pm
Confused dot com
I have never said I live in a flat? however that's not really relevant as I cannot spray indoors regardless. For small parts I use the wheelie bin as a stand. Large parts are sprayed on my deck (covered up) in warm dry wind free weather hence nothing happening in Winter.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Mark T on February 09, 2020, 04:06:47 pm
Beautiful job.......And an inspiring build  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 09, 2020, 04:09:53 pm
Thank you Mark
As much as Iím enjoying it I feel itís still a long way off.
Iím clearing space as I feel desperate to either build another lobster boat or the Maggie M


Edit
Or I may start that build stand on wheels when I get the dimensions  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: me3 on February 09, 2020, 05:43:35 pm
They are all finished and they will be with you a bit later on this evening!
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: dpbarry on February 09, 2020, 11:24:27 pm
Hi Andy.


Just curious. Do you build all you models up in grey primer then final paint?


If so, how do you go about masking off etc?


Declan


P.s. Apologies if you have explained this elsewhere  {-) :embarrassed:
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 10, 2020, 07:46:43 am
Everything is either dry/push fit or fixed with screws so I just dismantle it.
The majority of fittings are finish painted already so I just reassemble once the major structures are done.
To me the model must be built and anything that is not quite right can be altered easily right up until you add colour but then it becomes a headache.
Paint in haste repent at leisure.

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 10, 2020, 08:53:04 am
I can't over emphasise how important it is to have every detail crisp and precise in grey before adding gloss colour


A lashing of colour will soon highlight horrible bits and a thicker coat won't help  {-)  All that is shiny is not gold  %%
 
Also painting when there is still a lot of work to do increases the chances of scratches and other nasty damage.
I cannot paint the deck until I've soldered all the stanchion bases to the correct angles.
The hull is ready for paint now but its too cold and I need to sail her again before fixing the deck.
The cabin is nearly there once I've drilled the rest of the holes. The upper helm controls can be added after the orange.
There is still a lot of work to do to the upper helm but this can still be removed from the cabin to work on yet. This will be painted separately to the cabin as I designed it deliberately this way to make painting relatively easy.
You would have to go way back in the blog to see how this is fixed in place with screws.
https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,61758.msg672609.html#msg672609 (https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,61758.msg672609.html#msg672609)


The corridor side wall will eventually be glued to the back wall and made to look like one part where the corner grab rail is.



Even with everything removed there is plenty of masking to do.
My other build ready for texture coating last year
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-vLJhhnT/0/d2c15ee4/X3/i-vLJhhnT-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: dpbarry on February 10, 2020, 09:31:42 am
Cheers Andy.


I'm glad I have a brother who works in the car repair business to help me out when it comes to the major paint work  ok2


Declan
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 10, 2020, 05:58:52 pm
The stainless steel pipe arrived today for the stanchion drilling jig/template. This will be durable enough for this build at least.
Should take all the frustration out of drilling brass round.


I ran a 3.2mm bit up the bore before starting.



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Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 13, 2020, 06:02:29 pm
I just tried this idea for the safety lines. Using Graupner 10mm turnbuckles. I will also use a number of these for between stanchions.


Nothing but doubled back electrical wire with heat shrink.
I've not made the metal backplates for the anchor points yet.

Google Graupner 492.1  about £15 for 10

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Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 13, 2020, 08:56:00 pm
I feel I am going to do all stanchion lines the same way which would require 18 turnbuckles total. Although lacking in detail it does mean that there is largely less metal to metal contact and paint chipping.
I just wish there was a silver heat shrink.
I've ordered 1mm stainless steel rod for the safety line anchors rather than the brass pictured.


EDIT
It just occurred to me that I can use stainless rod on the brass stanchions too as I'll be fitting them into the accurately drilled holes with CA that if I fit one end of a turnbuckle as appropriate before gluing it will save a lot of other work. (only to the ones that have a tensioner)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-Nzncznp/0/e850b13b/X5/i-Nzncznp-X5.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 13, 2020, 10:44:12 pm
Forgive my ineptness
Thank you Declan for correcting my error on farce book
Everywhere I typed turnbuckles please substitute with bottle screws  {-)    :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: tsenecal on February 14, 2020, 01:30:08 am
<snip>
I just wish there was a silver heat shrink.
</snip>

would you be able to use white heat-shrink and either silver paint, or a silver paint pen?
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 14, 2020, 09:23:02 am
Actually Tamiya TS-83 requires a black base coat  :-))  so worth a try.


Port side
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Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: dpbarry on February 14, 2020, 09:46:02 am
 {-) {-)  That's me in the black book!


Have to say, I'm really enjoying the forum. Does a lot for the old bap - just to escape into my own wee world for a period of time. So much to read and take in. Keep up the great build  :-)) :-))

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Forgive my ineptness
Thank you Declan for correcting my error on farce book
Everywhere I typed turnbuckles please substitute with bottle screws  {-)    :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon WIPER ARM
Post by: Taranis on February 14, 2020, 12:58:28 pm
First attempt
What you think Kim? its your fault  {-)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-pQxkVKd/0/7541b033/XL/D7A23DB5-ED61-4472-BCC7-2E65C00AAEAE-XL.jpg)


The decals I asked David Leftley to make  :-))


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-rr8Hcq5/0/f328b471/L/7AD6BFD2-052F-42FD-B8D0-0247E55FD8D2-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-RZhNhjp/0/2d88d505/X2/4425FF63-10E9-4DCB-B5A9-AC00E50A8536-X2.jpg)


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Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 14, 2020, 02:00:59 pm
Andy,
Absolutely 'brill'.
Kim
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 14, 2020, 02:25:19 pm
Thanks Kim
Unfortunately the brass isn't thin enough to create the required number of steps of the real ones but they will do I think.


I can easily add the screen wash jet to half of them. I just hate making 10  %%


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Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 14, 2020, 02:32:17 pm
Arno and I share a phrase for these occasions.............'gently, gently, catchy monkey.......'. That's a good start and the detail will look good against the windows Andy. That will give some other folks the idea to start theirs on a day when other jobs cannot be done.
Kim
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 14, 2020, 02:35:41 pm
Once I have a full one completed I can create a template for the three holes below each window. It's important that they look correct in the parked position and its not really a measure that can be done off the plan.


For the drive shaft I used 1mm rod then the next two sizes of brass sleeve on that.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: mk1 on February 14, 2020, 03:23:28 pm
Andy you can get a light grey heat-shrink cant rember were I got mine from. Like the wipers gives me ideas.

John
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 14, 2020, 04:06:48 pm
Thanks John
I will try the Spray first same as my cleats.


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Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 14, 2020, 06:52:40 pm
I've not decided what to do for the wiper blade


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Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on February 14, 2020, 08:51:13 pm
Andy, I knew you would do it - and it's given you a mini-project to fill in all that spare time {-) !!
Kim
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 14, 2020, 10:30:14 pm
It helps  :-))  there are so very many things to do


Some measurements  28mm and 55mm
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16mm
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Tools for shaping
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I'm thinking keep it simple for the blade, square styrene
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Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: tsenecal on February 14, 2020, 11:08:07 pm
I would think T shape would be better than square...

https://evergreenscalemodels.com/collections/14-35cm-opaque-white-polystyrene-t-shape
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 14, 2020, 11:29:10 pm
Now first I'm thinking YES!
Then I'm thinking this square section has a lot of meat on it to sand some shaping.
Then I'm thinking add a small T to the square  :-))


Cheers


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Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 15, 2020, 12:01:10 am
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Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: coch y bonddu on February 15, 2020, 09:08:21 am
Your attention to detail is unbeleivable this will be a show winner




Dave
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 16, 2020, 05:02:47 pm
Woah! I didnít see that coming Dave
Compliments always welcome  O0


Show winner maybe a bit ambitious but I do the best I can.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 16, 2020, 06:15:27 pm
I just invested in the Proxxon MF 70, at todays exchange rate with REVOLUT it cost £235

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F202679103709 (https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F202679103709)




Also a competitive price
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Proxxon-27116-32-Inch-64-Inch-Milling/dp/B0017NQG1Q/ref=pd_rhf_sc_p_img_4?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=635KVTTRBZNNHPNA1N0G
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 16, 2020, 06:59:09 pm
Re above
I could have followed Kim with the attachment but I use my vertical drill absolutely loads so the stand alone miller was best for me.
The compound bed attachment is very well priced on amazon prime
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 16, 2020, 08:37:56 pm
Maybe useful to others
I chose to buy and use a keyless chuck for my baby drill. I cannot fault it in anyway, it fits the tiniest of bits and has never come loose.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-rgBwGbn/0/4f932fa8/X2/AEBF9B46-E076-44F8-A6E5-C9DA3AC208F6-X2.jpg)

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 18, 2020, 07:02:34 pm
A big revelation!
I have in the past almost exclusively used K&S brass.
All my railings and stanchions have been 3.18mm or 1/8 so you would think that running a 3.5mm die up it should be easy? well it hasn't been with K&S
I don't know why as both K&S and the brass I got recently form Macc Models are precise in size but the MACC stuff threads easily with a squeaky noise as I rapidly thread it in a fraction of the time.
I thought too good to be true so I just checked it for bending and that too is excellent.  :-))




Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon NEWS 1:16 and 1:12 crew figures
Post by: Taranis on February 18, 2020, 07:40:34 pm
My friend Steve Ryan has now said he is in a position to produce the figures previously manufactured by Speedline.
They will be cheaper and to order only as it's pretty much a hobby and he has just done a bubble free casting with the aid of a vacuum unit.
Message me for contact details if interested.


EDIT the decals must be obtained from David Leftley or make your own.
The visors where applicable have a template
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 18, 2020, 08:23:42 pm
A big revelation!
I have in the past almost exclusively used K&S brass.
All my railings and stanchions have been 3.18mm or 1/8 so you would think that running a 3.5mm die up it should be easy? well it hasn't been with K&S
I don't know why as both K&S and the brass I got recently form Macc Models are precise in size but the MACC stuff threads easily with a squeaky noise as I rapidly thread it in a fraction of the time.
I thought too good to be true so I just checked it for bending and that too is excellent.  :-))

The seven threaded rods to the left are K&S brass and noticeably a different colour.



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I tend to be going around in circles lately with loss of focus.
Having another go at wiping lol
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Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 19, 2020, 11:17:05 am
WOW impressed
My Proxxon milling machine just arrived from Germany from svh24.de so a seller to bookmark being considerably cheaper as well as fast.
Last night I ordered the vice 242690 from Amazon prime under £35


Probably just stand looking at it today  {-)


Size comparison
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Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Paul2407 on February 19, 2020, 01:24:07 pm
Very interesting observation with the brass Andy, does it solder any different or have you not got that far yet?
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 19, 2020, 03:57:58 pm
I don't envisage any difference in soldering Paul


I've just finally piped up my two dust making machines to the VAC and made two butterfly valves to concentrate the suction to the machine in use. I made the flaps from 6mm thick roundels of paxolin that were left overs from drilling 40mm holes with a thin wall cutter. The resulting fit is perfect and pivoted on 1/8 rod


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I'm making my stanchion feet from oversize brass washers as I did before. 20 required.


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Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Paul2407 on February 19, 2020, 05:35:56 pm
thanks Andy  :-))  that's an ingenious idea with the butterfly valves top quality work as per usual. I've finally decided on my next build I want one of Carls ferrys from Linkspan models but the one I would like is not priced on his site yet so don't know if it's available yet
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 19, 2020, 08:20:36 pm
I look forwards to your build blog  O0


Pictures of one of the flaps. I closed both and tried blowing through and could not feel any air at the other ends despite going red in the face  {-)


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Started making and fitting the main sockets that will have the securing pin through them.
A 4mm ID shorter brass sleeve will be fitted to create the lower tapered part. The stanchion foot will be drilled to 5mm for this


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Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Paul2407 on February 19, 2020, 08:42:59 pm
Yes I will do a build log for this one  :-)) 
you made a brilliant job of those flaps (oooh eeerrr  {-) [size=78%]) [/size][/size] but no honestly they are a fantastic idea not sure I would have thought of anything like that, anyway we are digressing your Shannon build is coming on in great strides, the level of detail is second to none [size=78%] O0  when can we expect to see some paint on the hull?
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 19, 2020, 10:30:24 pm
Thanks
I don't pressure myself over paint. It will happen when the time is right and the weather.


This is how I'm heading with the stanchion footings, when the base is soldered and filed it will look welded.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-grpz8bG/0/7d64f52b/X2/C34C8958-5671-4748-BE96-B4FA69D2EB3D-X2.jpg)



Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 20, 2020, 10:49:51 am
Firstly the leg securing pin is shown inserted from the wrong side.

Soldering Jig for uprights. A revision due to experience gained.
My new method.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-jMFpMcv/0/41f837d8/X3/126F3B64-F164-41AC-9E58-95705FDF6604-X3.jpg)


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(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-hFn4Mmm/0/3f20f474/X2/BA10FD93-8E41-454E-92EC-81664E0B4613-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-KXWRXtT/0/b14c3c19/X2/7251DD23-9B81-4CAC-BBFE-39868F890413-X2.jpg)

My choice of bolts for the feet.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-C6gB7Vn/0/7ed7a869/L/A45C4979-5FFB-4A54-ADD0-1E4E5A2DB8A4-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-NrZgz94/0/6236bf53/L/FBB0E77B-B18E-431A-862F-833FD9A322EE-L.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 20, 2020, 11:49:42 am
I have to say I am mightily pleased with the result from this method. It has been so much easier than my last Shannon.


This is the only solder required apart from the junction of the second leg.


The socket sleeve is fitted with a dab of slow CA and the brass pin is responsible for preventing it ever moving.
The larger 4mm ID short sleeve is again pinned with 1mm rod but filed off to make invisible and will be covered in solder.
The larger sleeve is then set into the deck by very carefull use of a 5mm hss bit held in the fingers only until the stanchion sits to the right depth in the foot plate.
Then just the one solder cleaned up with a round needle file.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-Jf6MzG5/0/a805cd12/X2/9FD5ED48-F17E-499A-8662-7E20828CB5EE-X2.jpg)


Because the plate is soldered with the correct attitude to the deck and the vertical it now stands unaided.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-5dkdBNG/0/bae2c28a/X2/674B57B8-3462-4A19-B240-E5EA6E6309C8-X2.jpg)


No appreciable scorching, this is a cross between resin flux and softened primer.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-dFfsS8D/0/318c97c8/X2/E194DD8C-6C5C-4E8B-880F-F528DFA39ECD-X2.jpg)


Angle unique to each and every stanchion


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-h9ns5hz/0/d4e2edec/X2/DA4BCA74-1F4B-4FBF-8323-041C155E9B51-X2.jpg).


Cleaned up and pin swapped around. NO glue
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-SxjFSRm/0/42c2c24b/X2/CBFC9447-7508-4857-8B3D-7FFBA46987BA-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-kPPgRtJ/0/1810ba33/X2/A3238FEC-9D10-4243-83B2-BD9323955777-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-D7nCnFW/0/a8426056/X2/3B11BFBE-A76D-407D-9639-BD8C0045952D-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 20, 2020, 06:33:31 pm


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-BdhQGKC/0/65641356/X3/AD1BA8BE-F7B1-42D6-8283-C0BCDE6E2B84-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-rGJRfVn/0/2e5117ab/X3/ACDF0881-0ECE-4B3D-81C5-90F0860CACD9-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-VB7VBKn/0/f33b48f1/X3/6C4C5752-FCF7-4595-8E00-5F517D4954F8-X3.jpg)


Next is an easy one  {-)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-MSKDQL7/0/5c371897/X3/F5828C66-22C6-43C6-8731-AEA876EC31A6-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-z65jTTR/0/8d9d11f9/X3/6DED4C32-EF0B-4DCC-A021-735430467571-X3.jpg)


Kitchen roll dispenser from Amazon today. I got fed up of looking for it


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-cNjFt4f/0/68e28c6f/X3/66AF6C63-0516-47BE-AF51-45761A66D625-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 20, 2020, 08:07:56 pm
Iíve just discovered why the MACCmodels brass is better than the K&S


1/8″ dia brass round Solid CZ121 per foot. Brass alloy CZ121 / CW614N is used for machining. It has Lead added to the composition to improve machinability. The Lead remains insoluble in the microstructure of the brass and the soft particles act as chip breakers.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 20, 2020, 10:32:38 pm
The Proxxon vice was promptly delivered by Amazon.
Seems very well machined and I immediately lubricated all over.
So I'm ready for whatever Kim throws my way  {-)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-SnRg4fc/0/97511e1a/X3/50C025E1-FC4E-402F-8EE7-AAF9A471C83F-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Mark T on February 21, 2020, 03:32:58 pm
This mill has been on my wish list for quite a while - and its going to have to wait for a while longer too  {-)


Andy if you want to see what can be done with this mill - check this guys skills out


https://modelshipworld.com/topic/19253-le-gros-ventre-by-marsalv-148-pof/page/3/
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 21, 2020, 06:33:57 pm
He's far too clever  {-)


Lone stanchion done today
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-QrvjHTW/0/421d4081/4K/6B1F99E2-1840-4AED-9BD7-921877BF050B-4K.jpg)


I'm having to strip off the Tamiya paint I used on the window frames. There is something in the paint that does not get on with soft resin.
Isopropanol dissolves it for removal.




(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-JqhB9sG/0/969be01a/X3/AC050919-2E41-4053-AA17-F4108EFCAF92-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: RST on February 21, 2020, 06:45:31 pm
Tamiya is quite well known for it's somewhat "aggressive" solvent content on some surfaces. Kind of a good and bad characteristic sometimes depending what side you're on I guess.  I've had no luck with Tamia aerosols but beginning to think it might be a batch issue.


Rich
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 21, 2020, 06:48:44 pm
I forgot to say the issue is that despite painting these many weeks ago it is simply not drying and remains tacky.
No other issues with Tamiya on any other materials
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 22, 2020, 09:55:06 am
Here is a shot showing that it will not be necessary to glue the deck on.
In view are 3 nuts for the two stanchions so far plus the thread is showing of the screw that secures the deck through a cleat base and the two dry fit legs of the cleat that will remain a dry fit.
The legs of my stern rails are also threaded but I decided a while ago that some will simply be impossible or too frustrating to fit nuts so instead they will be fixed from above through the feet and gobeye plates. only one screw per foot will be a fixing.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-GSxptkj/1/e8f3b651/X2/16653C2B-266D-485D-9A7F-429D1FAA963E-X2.jpg)


Despite having a very large stock of Heller drill bits from model shows I am finding that they are unpredictable and break in different ways at different times. I don't mind the attrition rate but getting the tip break off deep in a hole is a nightmare to retrieve.


So I am giving these a try from Amazon £5.99 delivered on prime.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-3Z4zvjB/0/2dabd87f/XL/6DBBBCC1-2137-4CFD-8843-8C5B9F75CFDF-XL.jpg)

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Paul2407 on February 22, 2020, 10:32:48 am
Good idea to be able to completely remove the deck, from the outside is that protected by the fender once fitted to help stop any water seepage when in use? 


I've got a shed load a heller bits and have always had issues with the smaller one's breaking but always just replaced, so please let me know how you get on with these Rennie one's
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 22, 2020, 10:41:00 am
Good question Paul
The fender will cover the join adequately and I have a bilge pump to deal with anything more than drips. Any ingress around the edge will not drip on anything sensitive and will run down to the keel where it will be evacuated quickly.
My Shannon has a loose deck and Iíve sailed at high speed in high wind without issue.


It would still take best part of a day to remove the deck but it is better than then having to deal with freeing glue so it is only for last resort. I have made all my internals removable to give as much hand room as is possible for the jet drives.

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 22, 2020, 10:52:41 am
My friend Steve Ryan has now said he is in a position to produce the figures previously manufactured by Speedline.
They will be cheaper and to order only as it's pretty much a hobby and he has just done a bubble free casting with the aid of a vacuum unit.
Message me for contact details if interested.


EDIT the decals must be obtained from David Leftley or make your own.
The visors where applicable have a template
Part of an order for Germany  :-))


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-cfCgkr9/0/5ff9b386/X2/D40E161C-EED7-4E5C-B6B6-DC776C446B45-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Paul2407 on February 22, 2020, 10:57:12 am
Yes I agree far better to spend the time removing the deck, lets face it you spend hundreds of hours making these models, so to make them so normal inaccessible parts are accessible is spot on, I so wish the person that originally built my Rotterdam did that so that you could either fit or repair a bow thruster if I had one
We learn something new everyday but I seem to learn something new every time you put a new post up  :-))


Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 22, 2020, 11:47:08 am
Drill bit feedback
These particular ones are absolute crap and Iíll be leaving appropriate feedback  >:-o
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 22, 2020, 12:28:11 pm
I'm still on target for one per day but when I finish this one I'll do the same three on port side. This way if I get fed up at least I'll be balanced  {-)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-FqNQR6g/0/b900b7e1/X4/7CB398CD-4EDE-4B65-B12A-4EAFA27F2557-X4.jpg)
Only two more window frames to strip and Chris Scott confirms he used Halfords without a problem for these.



Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Mark T on February 22, 2020, 01:50:28 pm
Drill bit feedback
These particular ones are absolute crap and Iíll be leaving appropriate feedback  >:-o


I'm not surprised Andy - how can they supply cobalt tipped jobber drills?  Jobber drills are the HSS ones that come in big packs because they just are not designed to last long at all.


I use Heller cobalt tipped drills.  They are not cheap but I've never had one break and they go through the hardest brass castings and stainless steel with ease.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 22, 2020, 03:13:11 pm
Thanks Mark do you want to WhatsApp a link to me?


Short video to demonstrate stanchion strength
https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-wdmP2Sv/0/4244c81f/1920/IMG_2303-1920.mp4
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 22, 2020, 08:45:06 pm
This one really did take all day due to the buggeration factor sometimes encountered. Thats 25% complete only 9 more to make  {:-{
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-LVKd7tM/0/92ea1fc7/X3/A8232E1A-D3B1-4C5B-A2B2-A4E2756C312D-X3.jpg)


Yes the safety line on the cabin side is meant to slope on this side its not a mistake.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-4PGsNtq/0/efa0a630/X3/13FE1347-73EE-4065-8A51-140BC39C9002-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 23, 2020, 04:29:52 pm
OK so after the Amazon drill bits waste of money.....


I'm taking these for a ride. Seller has great prices for Heller and the suitability chart puts these Titanium as the most suitable for brass/non ferrous.
So at £7.98 for 10  delivered I will let you know
 
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10x-GERMAN-QUALITY-HELLER-HSS-DRILL-BITS-Titanium-Ground-Rolled-Long-For-Metal/192457789277?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=492481983613&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10x-GERMAN-QUALITY-HELLER-HSS-DRILL-BITS-Titanium-Ground-Rolled-Long-For-Metal/192457789277?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=492481983613&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649)


Taking a break now as todays stanchion was completed an hour ago
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 24, 2020, 06:50:53 pm
Five days straight and I'm on stanchion 6 of 12  I'm bound to crack soon  %% 
I've also been sure to check that port and starboard line through vertically when the cabin is removed.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-GWZW2pj/0/2817146e/X3/1FEBCC1A-6B44-4E05-B4EB-0D3F64454DE9-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-WGR7pCW/0/3fe6bfd2/X3/6533F4A3-E20D-4559-87C4-37C2991E2A80-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-TcLTw6L/0/e832bc9e/X3/CC973897-CEBC-433B-BBAA-D2DCA19905AE-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-pxvshQT/0/bc134ca6/X4/1B62A0C9-688D-4D4B-81BF-36D168436EB7-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Paul2407 on February 24, 2020, 08:57:54 pm
That's top quality work though Andy it might be taking time but it will be worth it in the end, keep it up your on the home straight with them now
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 25, 2020, 05:57:50 pm
Thank you Paul. Once all the stanchions are done I can't start painting the deck.


Decided on a lazy day after looking out the window this morning I went back to bed.
Then awoke to bright Sun in my eyes so spent 2hrs cropping my olive tree  %%


I'm always struggling for enough work space to leave a mess and came up with this double decker idea from IKEA
£25 for this table that takes 75kg load.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-RW2cnKc/0/0ff62e0e/X3/0EC196B3-9BF9-4AFE-9776-CEF0C38150A8-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-b24LbkS/0/8de45b4d/X2/C1A1DFA9-121A-4E45-AFAF-6ED1F0A478FA-X2.jpg)



Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 25, 2020, 06:09:52 pm
Just to reinforce my reason for not rushing into painting.


Whilst doing the Port side I realised that my boat hook was running down slightly towards the stern.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-XBm95vk/0/f04cb57d/XL/A768B050-DB29-4F41-9D94-F47C7D90F3D5-XL.jpg)


Very easy to rectify without tears.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-hfxNHzf/0/0c0ef47c/X2/6CBBCBBE-0723-4759-A4F4-AB8E1C27B320-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Paul2407 on February 25, 2020, 06:15:05 pm
Cracking attention to detail their Andy  O0  can you just satisfy my curiosity because I'm noisy why did you stop building the other Shannon to build another or are they different sizes? they both look 1/16 but maybe wrong
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 25, 2020, 06:22:45 pm
It's a very long story. One is a Speedline "airfix" I put it on hold as winter happened at a time I needed to be spray painting, by the time Spring came other interests and builds took over so I have at the moment no interest in it for now.
My current build as per title is MBD which is very largely built from scratch and far more interesting.




That's the short story
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Paul2407 on February 25, 2020, 06:26:43 pm
 :-))  thank you  :}  I did wonder and had to ask but thank you I am enjoying your build though, I must say you obviously love the building aspect of it
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 25, 2020, 06:29:17 pm
I like making things in ones and two's, 4's 8's and 12's NOT  <*< {-)


I love my folding mast my radar and many other parts I've made  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 25, 2020, 06:37:25 pm
Martin filmed this in slow mo at Wicksteed 2019


<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Llumyx-vWnA" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 26, 2020, 10:03:10 pm
I've had a couple of easy days before continuing with stanchions.
I decided I'm never going to replicate the mast speaker to my satisfaction despite being overjoyed with all the other parts I've managed to make from scratch.
So I've pillaged the part and given it a fresh paint job and a new brass bracket. Just the cable to fit.
I've used the same paint as used on the Jet drive escape hatch. AS-20 Insignia White
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-2tmf78F/0/ef384109/X3/D1A58A48-2ED0-4004-9F09-FA1EC9A9A700-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-fnDV78d/0/79f37bc2/X3/41EFFB08-46B6-4237-9165-13FB1B859C4F-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 27, 2020, 06:00:23 pm
Moving forwards as the deck rises I need to apply a bend to the stanchion otherwise it will attempt to stay at 90 degrees to the under deck fixing plates when the nut is tightened.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-tRb9qSb/0/72914571/XL/7F13812E-C96E-4F89-9F3B-5BBB04883B3E-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-2ZGRwNB/0/4e857826/XL/3182E23E-D659-4526-99B4-C3F1651148CC-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-sqtZSJd/0/041461c9/XL/222597AA-0150-474A-81F4-C2B5B4788AE8-XL.jpg)


To break monotony I'm fitting the six legs first then the embellishments
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-f8vqL6v/0/24551aca/XL/2665EEF1-657C-4BDA-8AB1-EB4F523BB706-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-MB2WRSb/0/157ee60a/XL/3DE07927-082C-4D5C-AF22-61A34CA416FB-XL.jpg)



Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 29, 2020, 11:31:10 am
Steve has been busy. Crews ready for deployment


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-RjXLmjJ/1/350e6c27/XL/88213102_718208655251808_3434673440961855488_n-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: coch y bonddu on February 29, 2020, 05:16:56 pm
Er not being a lifeboat Guru and knowing how much perfection you need on your Shannon, I am curious to know why, are you putting model lifeboat men that are not wearing the up to date gear, those figures you are promoting are of the old style preceding the Helly Hansen new gear.


These are the new style figures that I found for sale on a famous auction site


(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49600961317_7e951920e3_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iz4TJe)88097633_176691800444680_4104787024601415680_n (https://flic.kr/p/2iz4TJe) by David jones (https://www.flickr.com/photos/182848324@N02/), on Flickr

Dave


Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 29, 2020, 05:19:50 pm
Pays yer money takes your pick.  O0  The Speedline figures are better detail if you don't mind the previous kit.

Also consider what year did Helly Hansen kit come in and what year was Shannon introduced


Personally I prefer helmets that look like helmets

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/RNLI-Crew-figures/n-VTqbhc/i-jJt7Jtk/0/2c6e5a72/L/i-jJt7Jtk-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-sHdtgFk/0/bfc889c6/X4/i-sHdtgFk-X4.jpg)


This is one of two I bought with my Shannon from Speedline
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/Brass/n-RxMTML/i-w9V6g9f/0/96d2e6bb/X3/i-w9V6g9f-X3.jpg)

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: coch y bonddu on February 29, 2020, 05:35:58 pm
Fair comment but that type of life preserver was Phased out by the RNLI 3 years ago and are not current issue for crews on the shannons....ok your choice i Suppose ....only found this out today whilst researching crew figures for a Mersey as I want mine correct for the period.....Oh i got my info straight from the horses mouth at a RNLI station.






Dave




Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 29, 2020, 05:53:28 pm
Yes its personal choice.
My Shannon was delivered to Scarborough Nov 2016 so no problem for me. Helly kit came in during 2018 for crew.


These are the current PLP's used and it goes right around the neck. Those you posted look quite different ?
(https://www.hellyhansen.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/rnli-feature5.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-PFK5SKf/0/7b4a0927/5K/i-PFK5SKf-5K.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 29, 2020, 06:41:51 pm
Iíve had a good search and I cannot actually find any images of RNLI crew wearing a plp like the Speedline figure has. So it must be going back beyond a decade possibly? Still I prefer it overall for better detail
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: kinmel on February 29, 2020, 08:47:25 pm
The Speedline figures were based on this kit......  http://www.exmouthlifeboat.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/pr080512%20steve%20hockings-thompson%20small.jpg
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: coch y bonddu on February 29, 2020, 09:10:11 pm
Ah ha those lifejackets were issued actually in 1993 now i understand why they didnt look quite right i thought there was something not quite right when i saw the crew of the LLandudno Shannon going out.Not a problem really as it is only a representation of the real thing and not a reflection on the cracking work that is being carried out....only the ones in the know would know the difference.




Dave
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on February 29, 2020, 09:13:19 pm
Very succinct  :-))  indeed Dave and opened my eyes wider to the differences  O0 . Good link Alan at least we have a picture and the era now.


Maybe of interest
Steve needed 30 orders to break even on the materials and the vacuum unit. This does not include any of his time spent (maybe a little) nor the purchase cost of the masters. He has to make new moulds after several castings to maintain quality.


So this as stated is not a business but a generous labour of love
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on March 01, 2020, 09:22:47 am
I hope to replicate this buckle today. This is no push over as the overall width is appx 2.5mm


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-xR4xK39/0/bb6f7f31/M/i-xR4xK39-M.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-mt2CqwS/0/12ac032b/X2/i-mt2CqwS-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Paul2407 on March 01, 2020, 10:42:38 am
Good luck with that buckle  :o that's mighty small but if anyone can I'm pretty sure you can  :-))  look forward to seeing the outcome
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on March 01, 2020, 11:50:21 am
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-B7GK4rV/0/dfa8f5e1/4K/2715E22D-1AE7-45CF-ABA7-7407BFFD42D2-4K.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon : miniature securing strap buckle
Post by: Taranis on March 01, 2020, 12:06:12 pm
I think this is achievable by anyone who really wants it.


The smallest I can manage even if a smidge big to scale.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-xprtRBG/0/b9f230d7/X2/C3599993-E2C5-4E15-8D94-1D65643280A1-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-bcMgs2t/0/bf90e4dc/XL/A10DAECF-C7EE-41EA-BB2C-11F747047073-XL.jpg)
 
2mm spacing
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-nDF7XwC/0/680d75f5/XL/23D7A771-165A-4CF1-9DE9-8D8D2F422AF4-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-RFdKfN9/0/1a5696f2/XL/AB5A68D1-F29B-4105-A5D9-3F3C204FEC1F-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-bv7tNkQ/0/5540e514/XL/6BC85A12-50BD-444F-8CC6-D309C38B1E70-XL.jpg)


Solder this and file to shape
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-z8dpm8B/0/bfa8ebfe/XL/888AC975-162D-4A9B-B0E2-CE2E6C900CBB-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-gXWnFtW/0/28bd7546/X2/20001E76-8284-4728-9314-1792945EA0AE-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-xR4xK39/0/bb6f7f31/M/i-xR4xK39-M.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Paul2407 on March 01, 2020, 01:27:47 pm
Superb and quick work there mate
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Mark T on March 01, 2020, 01:59:15 pm
Thats very realistic - its great making your own parts ain't it  ;)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on March 01, 2020, 08:55:00 pm
Thank you both  :-)  This morning I had a picture in my head of what I thought might work but thought I might be all day at it or even fail. I tried smaller drill bits but they just snap so 0.8mm really is my limit which dictated the overall size. The 2mm webbing won't stick with CA so I had to use epoxy which unfortunately spoils the colour too. On the final build I'll shorten the strap but for now I need the length to undo and refasten it.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on March 01, 2020, 09:34:13 pm
I would say take a bow but being female ?  {-)
Back on the stanchions tomorrow I've had a good break  O0

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-xXgx2xB/0/75187209/X5/1BDF01C7-62C9-41AD-A475-DCA3C2C6B14B-X5.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on March 02, 2020, 10:15:38 am
Burning the midnight oil I tried another strap with a different CA Everbuild industrial and this DOES work on this material  :-))
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-TPpWD8R/1/bf2c1fe1/X3/F000F3E1-A2D6-461F-A984-CB335F5F897A-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on March 02, 2020, 12:54:38 pm
The penultimate upright ready for soldering.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-vMCkXFm/0/98bcacf2/X4/5C2F2CB9-952D-4713-8B06-0733B6165E28-X4.jpg)



(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-WG5FW3Z/0/787c554f/X5/442CC125-1E55-4700-B700-A9A4EBD068CF-X5.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on March 02, 2020, 01:15:26 pm
OK so after the Amazon drill bits waste of money.....


I'm taking these for a ride. Seller has great prices for Heller and the suitability chart puts these Titanium as the most suitable for brass/non ferrous.
So at £7.98 for 10  delivered I will let you know
 
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10x-GERMAN-QUALITY-HELLER-HSS-DRILL-BITS-Titanium-Ground-Rolled-Long-For-Metal/192457789277?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=492481983613&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10x-GERMAN-QUALITY-HELLER-HSS-DRILL-BITS-Titanium-Ground-Rolled-Long-For-Metal/192457789277?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=492481983613&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649)


Taking a break now as todays stanchion was completed an hour ago

My feedback on these for brass is fantastic and I've just bought another 20
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on March 03, 2020, 02:08:16 pm
I'm getting close to completion of all brasswork.


I don't think I pictured my pinning before of the Stanchion brace junction? 1mm hole drilled through and brass rod fitted covered in flux.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-2Krg2gs/0/93438aaf/X3/FE4B606E-E4B5-42CA-A9AD-7023169E414A-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-fCZs8T9/0/85c96189/X3/47694922-541A-4D12-9664-2EB1415EDB90-X3.jpg)


Starboard complete
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-mBP9phM/0/5545d39c/X4/8CF13252-4F30-47CF-ADBB-A128BC893F0B-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on March 03, 2020, 02:17:43 pm
.......or even Port side %)


C.C.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on March 03, 2020, 02:21:45 pm
Port side is still under construction.  %%


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-DhZ7Mpn/0/899e340a/4K/138B7523-BCFC-47F6-B211-EB3201826F87-4K.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-NXHR6rj/0/5ef65d17/X4/1B35D59C-3311-41DA-83D4-BDB56E16B75B-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on March 03, 2020, 02:24:49 pm
Andy,
It's just that you showed the Port side when you said Starboard and the Starboard side when you said Port. Confusing.....maybe.
Kim
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on March 03, 2020, 02:25:46 pm
Maybe but both sides where visible in the confusing post  {-)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-NsWR7mH/0/7b06df93/X4/215D725B-E2CE-4806-BC37-7279293C1FCC-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-QJJC5MJ/0/6a1eb0a1/X5/FFDF7688-21BE-4353-A516-A137D209B2C5-X5.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on March 03, 2020, 02:32:11 pm
..........but very nice they still look :-))


Kim O0
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on March 03, 2020, 02:54:49 pm
Thank you Kim. It's very nice being able to view them all without the cabin in the way, something not possible with the kit version.
This also aids vertical alignment.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on March 03, 2020, 03:06:27 pm
Yes, I had not considered that......so quite helpful in that aspect, especially when pond or lakeside with the wheelhouse removed - where ever you are, there's always a 'rivet counter' about!
Kim
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Paul2407 on March 03, 2020, 07:11:03 pm
Andy,
It's just that you showed the Port side when you said Starboard and the Starboard side when you said Port. Confusing.....maybe.
Kim
I think Andy's been on that Spanish wine again
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on March 03, 2020, 07:17:07 pm
https://media.giphy.com/media/lz7GtEHgSHencsRmYW/giphy.gif
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Paul2407 on March 03, 2020, 07:22:32 pm
https://media.giphy.com/media/lz7GtEHgSHencsRmYW/giphy.gif (https://media.giphy.com/media/lz7GtEHgSHencsRmYW/giphy.gif)


 {-) {-) {-)  Fantastic............... Top work finishing off the rails though, they got a little labour of love but you've made a top job of them
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on March 03, 2020, 07:29:01 pm
Thanks Paul. Not finished yet! but hopefully by tomorrow night. I think the only brass left to do is the grab rail facing the gate to the upper helm Amen


Then there's all the bolts to fit on the feet and the leg pull pins in stainless after painting
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon. The stand alone stanchion features
Post by: Taranis on March 03, 2020, 10:39:49 pm
Every stanchion base is the same procedure but the stand alone stanchion is different there after.
3.18mm bore brass tube set for soldering. My centre height from deck is 35mm at the centre line of the foot
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-P73Mf8G/0/b72c4513/XL/92B17D90-6260-4A5E-B1D0-72CC45484A2E-XL.jpg)


Trim off the other side and repeat soldering.


Then grind off both sides near to their final length.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-Nx42GPM/0/cb4a4292/XL/CC71512D-3023-4C21-8D34-45E1E2DFC0AB-XL.jpg)


drill from both sides 1mm
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-95rwJHQ/0/26ca6969/XL/17D9B489-390D-4617-B561-C018F90AA8B8-XL.jpg)


Follow both sides with one of these at 3.18mm also
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-dWjCgkJ/0/51a4e7bf/XL/8A09911A-1CD7-4AFE-91AB-58B5268FF5B7-XL.jpg)


Only as deep as the solder
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-LW3NZDm/0/49ea3c0d/XL/FA6E7B32-679F-480A-8826-1730979B19CE-XL.jpg)


2mm bit NO BIGGER from both sides also, smaller if you choose.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-JHvsGsN/0/ff15761b/XL/1E993636-D97D-4F7E-9AD5-7329025E95E5-XL.jpg)


to be continued ......
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on March 04, 2020, 11:43:24 am
So for the top I drill just one hole in the brass tube.


I shape the top of the leg so it fits fully into the round tube and slot the top to make drilling easier later.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-GPBBTzb/0/ddda58ef/X2/6B7AF8DB-5796-4E53-AD3F-2704B207D2D4-X2.jpg)


Again I solder one side then cut the other side to length and solder too
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-JfzzJ9J/0/621a5494/X2/038ECB91-6873-4759-9028-B1BAB069DA46-X2.jpg)


My finished stanchion height are 76mm
Centre here is complete the outer two will be trimmed to height AFTER fitting the shackle points.
This clearly shows the extreme angles of the foot plates to maintain a vertical leg and why in my opinion the only accurate way to do this is in place as they are all different.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-C8BLRVX/0/39f4eab0/X3/9C38D625-161D-43F2-8862-C8BC90D270E1-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on March 04, 2020, 03:47:33 pm


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-MFdLC6d/0/72700082/X4/04FBEC35-0F8D-43B9-A757-55505ED1C9E2-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-98FRSMQ/0/c9556b61/X4/040F55B0-7ACF-4247-B5F0-D1F44295E3C6-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on March 04, 2020, 03:49:28 pm




(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-VJJf4bN/0/93462537/X4/8DA6E52F-5C61-4B14-889C-E136917374BF-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-RzjJxfc/0/dd369b99/X4/BCCF40DC-43BF-44CF-9EB0-CA5FB518CC87-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-LJf78RR/0/ae8b3c29/X4/4C78D5EB-5B53-4443-B356-405D97B13407-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on March 04, 2020, 04:31:34 pm
Andy,
The sweetest and neatest - worth every minute you have invested in it :-)) . It must have inspired many to give 'scratch building' a go, or maybe just 'up their game'.

Kim     
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on March 04, 2020, 06:10:14 pm
Thank you Kim. So near yet still so far to go.


My collection makes me smile when I walk in the room  :-)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-jXJmD5H/0/9fc81019/X4/7CED421C-B0FA-49DF-B522-0546EB799F05-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Cornishman on March 05, 2020, 06:35:28 am
   Top quality modelling.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on March 05, 2020, 02:37:28 pm
Thank you


I'm turning attention to the upper helm windscreen. Don't know where its going yet but onwards and upwards I hope.


I'm using these
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-3Spdprk/0/3ae14ed2/X3/37D12D1E-C78C-4B6A-A90E-FE3891C81E19-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-DFrSQss/0/5f92f454/X3/925B37F2-B495-4D6A-81DA-67D82352C1E3-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on March 05, 2020, 04:10:08 pm
This is working for me and a good start. I've countersunk the screws, the 1.4mm through the cabin roof also secure the rear bulkhead as this will always be removable.
For the screen I'm using 1mm screws and there will eventually be a metal strip on the other side and a strip across the front that shields the hinge.
I've driven out the steel hinge pin and replaced with 1mm SS that I can use during construction to easily separate the hinge halves.
The screw count will be increased to be more representative.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-69CcPH6/0/4f39fe7c/X2/22686136-C7A4-44F3-ABEE-8AF53785DFB5-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-8hH2L9x/0/85e0666b/X2/4CAFFC4C-68CF-41F2-A2A3-350273643D8C-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-DjFQMMd/0/6e761751/X2/5436BD62-F8B8-4556-AA18-4A9775398BBF-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-HnGJQm8/0/b55f9316/X2/7DF62B7A-A5F7-45EE-B4AA-1A9DDC47E953-X2.jpg)

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: The Old Fart on March 05, 2020, 04:23:16 pm
Good your changing the rod for s/steel, but is the hinge all brass, or brass plated?


You have the new proxxon mill to make all brass hinges.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on March 05, 2020, 05:53:50 pm
It is plated Dave I will be painting it.


I realised I fitted the glass on the wrong side of the hinge so I started over.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/Speedline-photos/i-Mk6MbKF/0/983926d4/X3/DSC_3085-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-8XDnZMT/0/781aa37c/X2/820A8AE7-8F0A-4BB5-ADF4-8FBB08368CF2-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-mChZDVP/0/9f0da269/X2/FD95EF44-1956-44C6-B6DE-10283803756B-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/Speedline-photos/i-4vjXgBn/0/11659929/X3/IMG_20180913_181833-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on March 05, 2020, 08:33:44 pm
More screws fitted and frontal plate. When this is fitted in the finale it will have a drop cloak that covers the hinge.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-xbt7tDR/0/c17d0037/X2/2553C95A-F728-4E30-BFF5-D478B00114F4-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-4nSQd8t/0/8a09c843/X2/02BEBE78-FDB5-4327-86D6-0197CDF704D3-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on March 05, 2020, 10:58:29 pm
Looks promising
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-Txz6RRP/0/4cfddab0/X3/69A80BF4-C9D3-4A7F-B3B6-5A1BC084E920-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-JfzjhfF/0/78202ac4/X3/5462419C-03A2-4D3E-9B02-C9114E3AC1B0-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on March 06, 2020, 03:33:05 pm
I started again ... again.
The screen hinge now sits on a raised strip that is an integrated part of the cabin roof, barely noticed it because its orange.
However it makes the difference between the screen folding flat or NOT.
I've also made the screen a little taller and now stands as 31mm


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-jqxtVVJ/0/45afa682/X3/B1DAFD15-E4C1-49AD-AA89-D008EE06FA9F-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-BqjznM9/0/123ed5f0/X3/97095EA9-DD48-4DAF-BCCA-38CA4462605D-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on March 06, 2020, 07:19:53 pm
Slow going and trying to avoid more bin fodder.  I think I may change the round head screws with countersunk as they stand out too much.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-KzppWDV/0/22d0fdc7/X3/946FDE8C-345B-4FCB-9DD7-D5414FCE6ACA-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-kmHstdz/0/8bb08ee9/X3/AD0B06D3-88F3-4F71-8464-5A63B831E9D1-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: RST on March 06, 2020, 07:38:28 pm
Sorry, but stepping back where did the loudspeaker come from please?  I think I have one very similar but looking for a smaller one but not the usual cap Maquette's jobby's as already have a few. They're very fenickety to make from scratch.


Thanks,


Rich
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on March 06, 2020, 07:39:40 pm
Raided off my Speedline
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on March 06, 2020, 11:00:54 pm
After a couple of days throwing bits in the bin it's now starting to look like a goer.
Now I've hammered out the distortion from the centre punch the round head screws are not so bad.

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-PVSWKZs/0/60621725/X3/19FEE5FA-447B-4788-BB58-882E92EE7A4A-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-mzvQbZK/0/c49cb8b6/X3/A5460B0E-AEDF-4A21-B969-15808379DF58-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on March 06, 2020, 11:22:43 pm




(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-8hfQtBV/0/20427ece/X4/B393A62A-5C2B-4A5B-B652-9D80C9D013AB-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-MSnpd4M/0/08a12234/X4/185A3108-DD7D-4BB6-AADF-3D3507B663A0-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on March 07, 2020, 02:39:44 pm
Working from Photographs lots to do


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-mZ3hg83/0/d41cff88/XL/1E4FEA1D-F196-4519-A4C6-221859EC668B-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-SjSwtHM/0/acb7eda8/XL/E9ACE463-EC8D-4333-B0F9-BB716C6E21A4-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-cwg5cm2/0/40e2095b/XL/293EA808-A4A1-49B2-BCC6-71E50EEB1019-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-jf3BWbB/0/6ea0414d/XL/A547585F-4286-44FB-82F6-3F5329DFD2EB-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on March 07, 2020, 04:49:02 pm
On my build this part simply has to be removable as it would prevent my whole Bridge from being detached from the cabin mould if it was glued.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-8dQMxvf/0/9d556ade/XL/01E5F955-C97E-4BAD-97F1-D062D93E253C-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-PXXvqvL/0/be7ade49/XL/36FF961E-3B18-4F8E-94C2-BF30819A6F52-XL.jpg)


The long strip is attached to the side screen eventually and should be transparent but I will paint is with pearlescent white
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-dP6Fp7R/0/ea6ca952/XL/8F4E7E1E-ACFD-4B05-B08D-7487CDC9D003-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-v9vw7KF/0/aa6864ab/XL/F6021873-6687-4D6C-A393-8678B7E3BB0F-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on March 07, 2020, 09:12:08 pm
Anyone with a speedline will have two sets of screen and throttles as one set is for indoors.
I am donating mine to MBD  :-) 


I know I have a spare hydrant too but cannot find it  :((  yet


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-9q6wQRt/0/36e349aa/XL/4D23F634-86D3-45DB-82D2-598F1E43B2A3-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on March 07, 2020, 10:00:17 pm
Smaller hinge for the three screen supports
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-Zb4d4Q8/0/13311a9d/X3/7D566698-BBFF-4619-BB0E-DFBD74055065-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on March 08, 2020, 01:12:15 pm
Both sides equally advanced now so time to start the internal metalwork to the corner hinges and then the screen support frames. Side screen not yet shaped to final finish. I think the gulley or trough is perhaps a little too deep but I will overcome
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-HrB2w9f/0/984eec67/X3/4DFB50F9-9A1E-4100-B5A6-C74A1314104D-X3.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-vnqmL7M/0/6666a881/X4/601B787A-4AE0-48E6-9095-B3AB6D66AD2F-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on March 08, 2020, 02:07:52 pm
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-2V52c5r/0/68d9611b/X2/001D222E-86F7-45D8-BBFA-9244ABC799C0-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-2QZLbwb/0/f7e5c679/X2/F7667A8C-885A-4E7B-8E54-1079DBCFCCA9-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-4XGxFsD/0/a01cdf89/X2/C7A26383-7EDB-4441-B988-69C21387C3C8-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Canterbury Coxswain on March 08, 2020, 03:12:57 pm
Andy,
You are right about the depth of the 'trough' being '....a little too deep.....', as when I made the original rear bulkhead [of which you are using a resin cast] from styrene sheet, there was a difference from my actual measurements of two Shannons [13-02 and 13-04] and the official RNLI plans of 1.66mm [when converted to 1/12th scale] against the height of the model's wheelhouse. I decided that the extra depth would impact on less [all the other splendid working parts which you have made and more] than by making this correct and everything else having to be altered too. However, at this stage, anyone can add a thin styrene template of 1.55mm [plus paint = 1.66mm!!] to the shape of the gully and..........hey-ho, you should be back to normal [or so].
All in all worth pointing out, which at the time I did request was made on a small 'errata' sheet for modellers getting their models.
Cheers,
Kim [C.C.]
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on March 08, 2020, 03:38:24 pm
No problem Kim I will disguise it somehow  :-)  it's never going to keep good time anyway  {-)


Thank you  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on March 12, 2020, 05:40:28 pm
My first bash on the milling machine.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-ZgFVCBw/0/dea77e21/XL/8883C47E-CD34-4CD2-AEB4-BB41EC9D94BD-XL.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-zJTt6B4/0/63b06319/X2/F5B6DD3F-8013-48F1-B2A1-E4A044296308-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-SskHtc5/0/6c715e03/X3/C52C6663-3037-4988-90CA-59663D95DABE-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-ftWSWKJ/0/9c8e4559/X3/2E3A6FF7-3334-4CF3-A77E-C95DB1A1CD73-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on March 12, 2020, 10:38:25 pm
I felt I'd hit a wall last week but moving along again. It may end up in the bin yet


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-k6qsF5r/0/d24dc3f1/X2/2F0EC005-EF9A-40E3-87EC-733D5C3C01A3-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-mG5pLBD/0/19ff6645/X2/310742F1-69FA-4BC4-85F2-8008BCFA231E-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-Pfk9Pk9/0/3d982c3f/X3/F3BA5AC4-81D9-4C65-87D2-31FCEEDE6F62-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on March 12, 2020, 11:00:00 pm
It's looking like I can make this look a good representation and work
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-222SJKd/0/95b81b10/X2/829FBFD5-D058-4AAC-B956-CF71D05BBF97-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on March 17, 2020, 12:06:39 am
I'm doing nothing lately but if the interest is waining a rest is better than producing poor work.
Meanwhile my friend Steve who produces the lifeboat figures is having a real good go at remodelling the Speedline figures with the up to date PLP  :-))
What I've seen is very promising  :-))


Also it seems many of my plans have been cancelled due to COVID19, expecting Caravan club to close sites before long too. I may go off wild camping and ignore the media onslaught. Van MOT tomorrow I don't foresee an issue
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: SailorGreg on March 17, 2020, 09:47:13 am
No-one will mind waiting a little while for you to get your modelling mojo back.  Better a short break than risk messing up what you have already achieved.  Enjoy the camping!

Greg
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on March 17, 2020, 01:19:23 pm
Thanks Greg Van is now ready to rumble. Need to wait and see if wife's appointments get cancelled. Already two van rallies refunded due to lack of insurance cover due to GOV announcements.
Thinking of Shell Island in Wales for a bit.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: coch y bonddu on March 17, 2020, 03:40:17 pm
Shell island cracking place sod all to do there Barmouth short drive away so is Portmeirion and portmadoc,can be a tad windy though




Dave
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on March 17, 2020, 03:46:33 pm
Yes I spent a week there April 2015 and unbelievably this was the only day of 7 that was not cracking Sunshine, just lucky. Fantastic outside of school holidays
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Travel/Shell-Island/i-wD7PpHD/0/ff15daf2/L/IMG_0522-L.jpg)


Beautiful Sunsets
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Travel/Shell-Island/i-xTNC5tK/0/8dcb39be/XL/IMG_0515-XL.jpg)


Unfortunately they are deferring opening if they open at all due to current policy  :((   2 adults = £16.20 per night April
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: DaveM on March 17, 2020, 05:21:18 pm
Ah! Brings back fond memories of three nights we spent in Nolford Haven a couple of years back. We'd booked for seven, but Storm XYZ arrived at the same moment we did. Mind you, we had two good walks in Haverford West; once around Morrisons and once around Tesco...
When I was eight we stayed in a caravan just north of Barmouth. In my dreams I can still hear the rain hammering on the roof - for the WHOLE seven days - and I was bitten by a horse-fly.
Me and Wales just don't get on.
Dave M
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: coch y bonddu on March 17, 2020, 07:45:32 pm
Wasnt the midges that got you in LLanberis as well  :D :D {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)




Dave
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on March 31, 2020, 09:55:03 am
Been a while I know but just getting over Shingles I hope but expect many weeks of nerve pain yet.
Started yesterday re making the folding aerials.
These are now a better reflection of size and now comprise of three or four separate parts that slot or screw together.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-CrqVnh6/0/9b173e47/L/37580FF5-03DD-4EAF-8EBE-89BD430E46DC-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-pt7jXMj/0/4264df0e/X2/4D2891B3-ABE7-4ED6-8D7C-ABF47469CC3B-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-Vg2VLLz/0/a3d65b4f/XL/017EC765-70AA-4AD8-B27C-525C6114DE9C-XL.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-4KmnkV6/0/71c13328/X4/07AA059D-90B8-478F-9798-C68C29426393-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-hM5zJwm/0/56cb052d/X5/072A19D0-803E-4434-B029-8CA48FBA0585-X5.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on April 01, 2020, 11:47:26 am
I could not afford it but the price was just too good to resist  :embarrassed:   

So I got wifey to pay
{-)  

German seller on Amazon  Proxxon PD250e Lathe listed as used/brand new product, I'm guessing its like a tatty box type affair. Anyway its covered by Amazon AtoZ guarantee.

£548 free delivery. Three in stock
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on April 01, 2020, 10:08:47 pm
I'm wondering now if I'll receive this  %%  There were three when I bought but now the listing has gone  :o  So only time will tell unless any of you lot bought one too  {-)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on April 22, 2020, 03:57:14 pm
Halfords online has reduced Ford Balliol blue to £3 per can for click and collect. I suspect they will discontinue this colour like they did textured grey

 
https://www.halfords.com/motoring/paints-and-body-repair/car-spray-paints/halfords-ford-balliol-blue-car-spray-paint-300ml-359216.html
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on April 25, 2020, 08:57:17 am
Servos back in stock but probably sell fast, quantity available unknown https://hobbyking.com/en_us/corona-ds339mg-digital-metal-gear-servo-4-4kg-0-15sec-32g.html?wrh_pdp=7&fbclid=IwAR2tH9Dkat93Gaw_pBWO1n6wbeidrJ0mdb7axvQac1YHeKPY1YYJ9qieW6Q
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Beyno1968 on April 25, 2020, 04:41:14 pm
Hi Andy
Just a quick question. What white paint do you use on your models. I am getting ready to start painting my Mersey hull but there seems to be loads of white paints available from Halfords.
Cheers Chris
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on April 25, 2020, 04:56:00 pm
Hi Chris. I either use Halfords appliance white, most cost effective or Tamiya White. I have only used either for component parts and nothing like the size of a hull.


EDIT
Oddly appliance white no longer appears in searches?


Only the basic white now https://www.halfords.com/motoring/paints-and-body-repair/car-spray-paints/halfords-gloss-white-spray-paint-300ml-451666.html
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on May 15, 2020, 07:47:49 pm
Probably aware that I'm having a change and working on other models lately.
I am waiting for upgraded jet drive drive shaft tubes with ceramic bearings. They are currently in transit from OceanWorks. When they arrive I will be doing a complete dismantle and rebuild with paint  :-)) 
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: The Old Fart on May 15, 2020, 08:22:34 pm
What's the cost of the upgraded tubes?
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on May 15, 2020, 09:01:17 pm
No idea Dave Iíve not been invoiced
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on June 15, 2020, 06:07:02 pm
I had a nice five week break there and having had my rush of wooden kit building I'm now back at it.
So killing two birds with one stone I now have my upgraded shaft tubes for the jet drives. I would need a full dismantle for painting anyway so here we go.
The deck surprisingly took under an hour to remove all screws and nuts
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-4T9nZdG/0/a474e961/XL/F4087CC2-2E02-4F46-B5DC-F2C6F3868F1B-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-NLjZpnj/0/c361f3b9/X3/3E4EF4A5-460B-4B52-AE58-24CA0D11FBC8-X3.jpg)
Safe location for parts
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-TQVrZpg/0/aeb92f0c/X3/10D002D8-D971-4E6D-B670-A08E40259FC4-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-FfgK5qc/0/367a6fba/X3/81EAB1A8-F190-46E0-B857-8EFD51203443-X3.jpg)


Servo tray that is designed to be easily removable with the deck on took about 5 mins to remove
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-9KWRNWJ/0/b439c6b8/X3/B0C2EFCE-6371-4B7C-BD44-B3E84DEDE920-X3.jpg)


From here I'll be working towards painting but meanwhile the jet drive upgrade will be on the other link in my signature
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on June 16, 2020, 08:50:53 pm
While the deck is free ready for painting I had the opportunity to fit other parts to secure deck fittings.
The stern stag horns were only screwed to the grp temporarily. They now have a thick piece of styrene resined to the underside.
These are 1.4mm screws
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-g6fmNP3/0/ebf5713e/X3/8B253647-AE1B-412E-B52E-38F0256F4CA9-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-L2bZ7q5/0/c1733a57/X2/4B126049-0228-41CA-92AE-F2845309A06D-X2.jpg)


The hatches now have metal in place to enable the use of magnets
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-FW76kDR/0/354c4974/X2/12EE8708-4BA0-4ADA-9359-55687C8BF3CD-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-ksZgGhv/0/f9d31c44/X2/0EBE47C8-6B42-4F70-9036-64259057C533-X2.jpg)

Deck is now ready for fresh primer and initial coats of non textured colouring.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-dZsB483/0/b353da8e/X2/9067112A-AFC8-4326-8C27-1D5729F7F8D4-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on June 17, 2020, 03:41:43 pm
Deck is now finished in Tamiya TS-66 as my margin colour. I intend to add a coat of satin lacquer to this before the long arduous task of masking up for the texture coating


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-WJbGNrj/0/d368881f/X3/763AFCFE-8E93-4745-8C46-5822B46BF3C7-X3.jpg)


Should be something similar but better than my earlier effort.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-8pcR9Rv/0/c1413f3f/XL/i-8pcR9Rv-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on June 17, 2020, 09:49:10 pm
The outdoor photo was misleading.
This is how it really looks and it will be satin lacquered before masking up.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-QjFsKSr/0/865edc64/X3/C871DCE4-7E34-41ED-B4CD-2366280D036B-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-2b3CCzn/0/0ad33bb0/X3/41AB601B-BAFF-4B66-ACAB-46BFFD31DC05-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on June 18, 2020, 07:35:45 pm
With the deck removed and the prop tubes upgraded this is my final running gear installation photo
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-MWgHXBz/0/45c9cf33/4K/i-MWgHXBz-4K.jpg)


The dry run test video
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-SbqJmkJ/0/fde1ac69/X3/i-SbqJmkJ-X3.jpg) (https://techno.smugmug.com/Shannon/OceanWorks/n-3b7J2v/i-SbqJmkJ/A)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on June 19, 2020, 09:11:54 am
Good morning. No pictures for this post but rather an outline plan of how I intend to try and paint that hull. I don't think anyone relishes the task on the Shannon  {:-{

My thought is to spray a band of white on white primer first and meticulously mask the white line off.

Actually I've just remembered I have photos from Scarborough. This shows the complexity of the task.

Once masked I will follow Ian's advice and spray more finished white along the edges of the masking tape so that any bleed is white before applying the Balliol blue above and a graphite black below.
The weather needs to improve before I can do this so there is time for your comments  %%


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/Speedline-photos/i-9S8225r/0/4c3fb661/M/DSC_3068-M.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/Speedline-photos/i-jD5PZf2/0/982febaf/M/DSC_3070-M.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/Speedline-photos/i-9BsTdGn/0/0d05bf18/M/DSC_3073-M.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/Speedline-photos/i-hNrFVP3/0/c43e8cfc/XL/DSC_3069-XL.jpg)


The only easy bit  {-)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/Speedline-photos/i-3tkcV5V/0/cd13c15f/L/DSC_3062-L.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: kinmel on June 19, 2020, 12:21:54 pm
That is how I painted my white line.
However it took a full day to get the six laser lines to all join up correctly. <:(
Don't forget the black paint on the top of the step.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on June 19, 2020, 12:37:23 pm
That's reassuring to know  :-))   I do fully expect it to take all day and a scalpel.


This will form the main body of the line. From a local Ebay seller who dropped it through my letterbox  :-)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-SqJzFg3/0/dedc118d/XL/878A2C42-7849-4B05-A788-07639A196C5C-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: minimariner on June 19, 2020, 03:03:01 pm
 [quote author=kinmel
That is how I painted my white line.
However it took a full day to get the six laser lines to all join up correctly.
Don't forget the black paint on the top of the step.


         
                   Kinmel,
                             Can I ask the Make/model of the Laser you are using, the cheaper
                           ones I have looked at seem to have a rather thick and very fuzzy line.

                                                         Bryan.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: kinmel on June 19, 2020, 04:01:08 pm
Mine is a self levelling unit, a special buy from Aldi.
You need to adjust the distance to sharpen up the line, fuzzy means too far away
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: dpbarry on June 20, 2020, 03:05:28 pm
Just a wee query here in terms of making up all the brass railings etc..

Has anyone considered spot welding? - assuming access to a spot welder. Just thinking of an alternative to soldering/silver Soldering

Declan
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on June 20, 2020, 03:52:08 pm
Spot welding is for joining two sheets of flat steel together by passing a high current through it.
I donít see how that can be applied to brass rods ?
IMV soft soldering is better anyway because if you make a crock of it itís easy to reheat and adjust
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: dpbarry on June 20, 2020, 04:04:51 pm
Iíve seen it done with mild steel rod rod - making fishing creels etc. Not sure of brass rod although Iíve seen a lot of items made from brass that look spot welded. Get your point about soldering though. Will stick to it. Just curious 👍👍
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on June 20, 2020, 05:49:14 pm
Since the question has been asked. This is my laser from my working days.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-jwJB9GJ/0/b8353ff2/XL/469E84E6-E487-401B-A06E-E145CB96AE05-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-H8Pjd8v/0/22561d43/XL/2C38A80B-BA99-4CBE-8592-45202A307E1A-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-MsPtkgQ/0/ad0747a9/XL/078ED3BB-01F8-4FB6-9F95-CFE0DE3BA8F5-XL.jpg)


It has been used in all my blogs
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boulogne-Etaples/i-sNRqFcJ/0/5fe86a28/L/D3D1F091-C992-4F23-9BC6-1DCE27992063-L.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: dpbarry on June 20, 2020, 06:27:43 pm
Lidlís did one a year or so ago which I bought for fencing work. Did the job in helping to erect cupboards in the shed. Has the automatic levelling unit built in.👍
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on June 21, 2020, 10:52:39 pm
I managed satin lacquer on the deck today plus primer and white top coat on the midriff.
I'd like another coat tomorrow them masking on Tuesday.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-jGpPCLC/0/8985c65f/XL/859F61C9-9768-4AB5-BD27-EE9534A06ACA-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-cXBx52p/0/b339ca64/XL/9C52E695-118F-4A4C-80E4-A444BCCA6654-XL.jpg)


Very much looking forwards to seeing the bow completed
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-hQFtmrZ/0/44625d00/X2/84CE7EFB-0435-4B1E-9DDC-DDA03037D779-X2.jpg)


Also ready for masking
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-HWHqR5C/0/8cc4c085/X2/DCF1EF36-BABA-416C-BB14-5538486C798D-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on June 23, 2020, 10:15:20 pm
I had a day off today to be sure of full curing of paint. The masking may be on for some time and I'll now start tomorrow
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-hgCXZ4b/0/3490907e/X2/7ECEFA67-BBCE-45D2-AD7F-5C0F6A3813B5-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-H5C6QDk/0/181f2e7f/X2/F861AA12-1736-4BF3-996D-DC428BCCA8CF-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on June 24, 2020, 06:33:59 pm
It's all RNLI's fault  O0  must be easy on full size though  {-)


Progress today
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-tVx4nKw/0/37a0714f/L/06CAD1AF-4F6D-4754-A0A8-BB47AD5E1091-L.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-xdR6SLF/0/c0cef81e/L/76661A1C-034F-4F41-BF19-FF8BF6B12846-L.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-7NN78rr/0/db754be0/X2/DFBD4540-1EDA-4A19-9C31-37134B4D9D49-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-Lh5nzcn/0/c4e48bb8/X2/F1345E01-5142-455B-BB57-531B2A58BCE7-X2.jpg)

Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on June 24, 2020, 06:37:03 pm

Black tomorrow

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-5sDcBgG/0/86b1ec5a/X2/C6418E49-7A8D-4511-AB85-72623D370BA2-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-svNppBc/0/24fbc772/X2/B59B5FA0-56E7-4D13-848A-03BCA5EF64B4-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-6HkwcBT/0/0b35b1c9/X2/54845B97-8F25-465F-BDB1-BA096CA51821-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-wnGf5tr/0/c425bc36/X2/75B822A3-B212-471D-8FDA-3CD80C8CDC86-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on June 24, 2020, 06:44:14 pm
First time I've looked at the Graphics for the bow from David Leftley and they are wrong size and spacing.
David produced these based on information he was given and he is always happy to revise them but he is recovering from an op so I'm not going to bother him.
Firstly they are too small for 1:12 at only 25mm high. They scale at 33.3mm from 400mm actual. Probably Ok for 1:16 apart from the spacing of the numbers is too great also.


Look at the 1  5  %%  for example
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-jL5XsNJ/0/79ccb757/L/18645E8A-64E6-4201-AAC9-A53B32159F35-L.jpg)


Actual
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-skcQ6KX/0/b3663b9d/S/AC0503E5-EDFB-4444-9178-9C118290FDCB-S.jpg)


I've contacted the same guy that printed my Portgarth decals and he spent quite some time making me happy.
I've now ordered sets in both 30mm and 33mm to see what fits best. Size affects length.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-csknTP6/0/981fe63a/M/885FD081-387C-47CC-BFE0-BBCAD074F2AF-M.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: kinmel on June 24, 2020, 08:47:11 pm
It's all RNLI's fault  (https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/Smileys/Tug/smiley.gif)  must be easy on full size though 
Change of plan?
I thought it was white stripe first and then upper and lower hull colours to define athe actual line.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on June 24, 2020, 08:49:48 pm
Thats what I've done. The white is masked over and I've sprayed the blue. Tomorrow I'll mask the blue along the white line and spray black. Then depending how I feel I might do the grey keel strip.


I'm already feeling another wooden kit coming on  {-)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Beyno1968 on June 26, 2020, 11:42:51 pm
Hi Andy
Thanks for your pm about appliance white paint. I did try and send you a pm but it keeps telling me you have blocked me from sending you messages.
Chris
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on June 26, 2020, 11:44:18 pm
Thatís odd not knowingly  :-))
Martin??


Edit
My fault and easy fixed
I had it set to buddies and admin only, dates back to getting nasty messages from nasty members  {-)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Martin [Admin] on June 27, 2020, 01:13:48 am
 
What's up?.... Ah!.... Sorted!..... back to sleep......  {-)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on June 29, 2020, 11:12:31 am
Yes all fine thank you  :-))


Two steps back! yes it happens to me too.
Painting was ok but realised too late that the line is too narrow so I'm flatting it all back for bigger tape which is on the way.
I've seen many other builds that also suffer from a 6mm line.
I don't mind persevering
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-7v5g5nD/0/7326309c/XL/0508886D-6C11-4A56-A4C8-29BEA7BD3524-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on June 29, 2020, 03:33:40 pm
Having lots of postal delays so I got a sack full today  {-)


Decals arrived 30 & 33mm not sure which I will use yet but they both fit ok


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-JdJJw69/0/762b65ac/X2/59361165-87CC-468C-8B66-7DBF00ECD01E-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on June 30, 2020, 10:41:31 pm
Steve Ryan has now updated the original Speedline figures to the new kit


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-M9KhQx8/0/92003c95/L/IMG_0244%20copy-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-8MmdTwk/0/166450b8/L/IMG_0240%20copy-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-f69RFgs/0/e2caa4dd/L/IMG_0241%20copy-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-VfKTQM3/0/06960f26/L/IMG_0242%20copy-L.jpg)


RIB too
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-nGzB6vV/0/14938fba/L/IMG_0226%20copy-L.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on July 01, 2020, 09:50:54 pm
Despite starting a new build the Shannon is continuing with painting as weather permits. I remasked and white primed for the waterline today.
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on July 23, 2020, 05:12:36 pm
If anyone is desperate for a part built 1:12 Speedline one has just come up for sale on Shannon Facebook group
My friend Ole Bodker in Denmark has decided he is too old to spend more time on this in favour of other things.
Looking for £1500 plus shipping from Denmark
The work he has done is museum quality ! No contact here full details and pictures on Facebook
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: marco on August 20, 2020, 05:11:53 pm
Hello Andy ,


      What are the reference RAL for the blue paint , the orange paint and the grey paint on the deck .


marco
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: kinmel on August 20, 2020, 05:29:28 pm
There are few direct matches between RAL and Bs381c colour charts, but you can make your own best match from this online convertor.....
https://www.e-paint.co.uk/Colour_alternatives.asp? (https://www.e-paint.co.uk/Colour_alternatives.asp?)

The Bs381c colours are
Blue = shade 105
Orange = shade 577
Different people have chosen different shades for their deck

The nearest lower hull shade is RAL 7016
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 30, 2020, 06:11:25 pm
Today I applied a new wider band of white for the waterline. This is now ready for further painting, I'm quite happy with how it crosses the chines. This will now be a 9mm thick line
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Shannon/n-MfgVDR/MBD-Shannon-II/i-NN8Grjc/0/6b4f4f78/XL/0C607471-5323-4B7B-BA34-CC825D09217A-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: kinmel on August 30, 2020, 06:20:44 pm
That is as good as any I have seen  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 30, 2020, 06:24:46 pm
Thanks Alan a long way to go but it's in the right place  O0  and I'm now encouraged to finish the hull after my holiday. It will be satisfying re fitting the keel and all the transom parts not to mention the jets  :-))
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Mark T on August 30, 2020, 06:54:37 pm
Andy I have no idea how you manage to keep so many projects on the go with such precision but you do.  Fair play to you mate and as always I'll be watching this;  BTW try and enjoy your holiday  :-)
Title: Re: ModelsbyDesign Shannon
Post by: Taranis on August 30, 2020, 06:56:34 pm
 {-) {-)  Thank you Mark. You might have noticed during the Riva build that the Shannon has been acting as a bench  %%