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Title: Ch 5 tonight, 9pm Warship: Life at sea
Post by: justboatonic on November 26, 2018, 06:39:00 pm
Documentary on HMS Duncan.
Title: Re: Ch 5 tonight, 9pm Warship: Life at sea
Post by: Gardener on November 26, 2018, 07:15:25 pm
 :-))
Title: Re: Ch 5 tonight, 9pm Warship: Life at sea
Post by: TheLongBuild on November 26, 2018, 07:18:20 pm
Have it set to record already as that is the one I went to see get launched :} ..
Title: Re: Ch 5 tonight, 9pm Warship: Life at sea
Post by: Taranis on November 26, 2018, 08:20:10 pm
Thanks  :-))
Title: Re: Ch 5 tonight, 9pm Warship: Life at sea
Post by: Martin (Admin) on November 26, 2018, 10:55:47 pm
Documentary on HMS Duncan.

http://www.channel5.com/show/warship-life-at-sea/
Title: Re: Ch 5 tonight, 9pm Warship: Life at sea
Post by: Howard on November 26, 2018, 11:17:04 pm

I found it a very good program and will be watching the rest.
                  Regards Howard.
Title: Re: Ch 5 tonight, 9pm Warship: Life at sea
Post by: Gardener on November 27, 2018, 08:38:10 am
I agree will watch series ...
Title: Re: Ch 5 tonight, 9pm Warship: Life at sea
Post by: Baldrick on November 27, 2018, 08:54:39 am



  Pity the sound recording of the on board footage was so bad, they seem to have a duff microphone. Occasionally it was so obviously bad that they resorted to off screen commentary and sub-titles . The water deluging through the deckhead of the high voltage dis compartment  was met with aplomb, would have freaked me.


  Last night they got to the point where the misaligned  propellor blade is making it's  presence  known.


  HANG ON... Wrong ship..  watched too many last night , mixing them up  >>:-(
Title: Re: Ch 5 tonight, 9pm Warship: Life at sea
Post by: SailorGreg on November 27, 2018, 10:19:12 am

  HANG ON... Wrong ship..  watched too many last night , mixing them up  >>:-(


Ah, good. I was wondering how I missed the water pouring in! I did wonder what happened about the propulsion failure while transiting the Bosphorus. No mention of that after the bit where the CO put the pilot in his place. Maybe in episode 2?


Greg
Title: Re: Ch 5 tonight, 9pm Warship: Life at sea
Post by: Colin Bishop on November 27, 2018, 11:31:04 am
I expect they just plugged in a new ESC....
Colin
Title: Re: Ch 5 tonight, 9pm Warship: Life at sea
Post by: roycv on November 27, 2018, 11:51:16 am
I wodered about the dodgy prop, sounds like a big deal to me.  I rather suspect the Pilot was not keen on having a lady in charge?  For me I always welcome a lady Pilot (flying) as she has had to work a bit harder than the blokes in the same job.

But I want to know what Baldrick was watching. sounds a bit more dramatic!
Roy
Title: Re: Ch 5 tonight, 9pm Warship: Life at sea
Post by: SailorGreg on November 27, 2018, 12:20:03 pm
I expect they just plugged in a new ESC....
Colin




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Title: Re: Ch 5 tonight, 9pm Warship: Life at sea
Post by: Liverbudgie2 on November 27, 2018, 12:34:43 pm
I wodered about the dodgy prop, sounds like a big deal to me.  I rather suspect the Pilot was not keen on having a lady in charge? 
Roy

Part of the ongoing problem by the sound of it - but that should all be fixed when Cammel Lairds have finished with them in two or three years time.

That pilot the way he strode into the bridge you would have thought that he was in command, soon put in his place though, he seemed to forget that pilots are there to advise and are not in command. He probably thought that as it was a female in command that he could walk all over her - his expression said everthing.

As for muffled sound on the bridge, it was probably intentionally so. What is said on the bridge stays on the bridge.

LB
Title: Re: Ch 5 tonight, 9pm Warship: Life at sea
Post by: gingyer on November 27, 2018, 02:07:35 pm
I think you will find the wrong ship was in reference to the program on the previous night relating to HMS Queen Elizabeth  :-))
Title: Re: Ch 5 tonight, 9pm Warship: Life at sea
Post by: DavieTait on November 27, 2018, 03:08:15 pm
That pilot didn't reckon on a wee lass from the central belt of Glasgow , she wouldn't stand for any of his poop on HER ship lol
Title: Re: Ch 5 tonight, 9pm Warship: Life at sea
Post by: Martin (Admin) on November 27, 2018, 06:24:11 pm
 
Just watched it on-line.... pleasantly surprised  how much I enjoyed it!
 Didn't feel it was over 'dumbed down' at all.  :-)

1. Super impressed Royal Navy has a senior Female Captain!
    (Wouldn't want to be called up to her office or get into a drinking match with her!)   :o

2. Is the Black Sea 'open waters', i.e. non territorial?

3. Does the '3 mile limit' still ally anywhere?

Title: Re: Ch 5 tonight, 9pm Warship: Life at sea
Post by: DavieTait on November 27, 2018, 06:55:32 pm
International waters start 12nm off the coast Martin , the 3nm limit was a fishing limit.
You can only go inside the 12nm line with the permission of the state involved or you can get shot at as the Ukraine boats just found out...
Title: Re: Ch 5 tonight, 9pm Warship: Life at sea
Post by: Colin Bishop on November 27, 2018, 08:36:53 pm
Special conditions attach to navigation rights in the Kerch Strait. Details here:
https://voelkerrechtsblog.org/ukraine-v-russia-passage-through-kerch-strait-and-the-sea-of-azov-2/
Plus of course both sides were under the control of Ukraine before Russia invaded the Crimea.

Colin
Title: Re: Ch 5 tonight, 9pm Warship: Life at sea
Post by: warspite on November 29, 2018, 11:38:54 am
I noticed they never mentioned how they fixed it, was it a circuit breaker / pc / power control problem, or a physical mechanical one, and how they sorted it out - pulled into port.


Was not too impressed with a couple of statements in it, 'we have the best ship of this type in the world' - yet it has a lot of breakdowns i.e. the prop stopping, the recent engine issues etc., and the fact that we are maxed out with crew, where some were consigned to cots and yet in the scene where the youngest member of the crew was showing the camera around he showed empty bunks and the very limited space he has in his bunk, those in cots obviously higher ranked personnel who don't want to bunk with those lower than them - an outdated concept when on a major deployment, personally I would have thought the designers would have altered the bunk problem with a new class of ship to give better conditions, I believe in a previous program when they discussed the new class (may have been on quest) they said the corridors were bigger - but may be wrong about the ship - could have been another navies.
Title: Re: Ch 5 tonight, 9pm Warship: Life at sea
Post by: Buccaneer on November 29, 2018, 07:05:04 pm
It wasn't fully explained why (or I missed it) but they said at the start that the normal crew was about 150 which had been increased to 240? or 280? for this deployment. This is not unusual of course if you have the Commodore's Staff on board. During my time on the Ark we often had the Admirals Staff on board, and that was on a ship that was pretty cramped to start with.

John
Title: Re: Ch 5 tonight, 9pm Warship: Life at sea
Post by: roycv on November 30, 2018, 12:08:45 am
Hi, according to wikipedia the crew is 191 personnel.Roy
Title: Re: Ch 5 tonight, 9pm Warship: Life at sea
Post by: Baldrick on November 30, 2018, 03:20:00 pm
Next episode Dunny gets buzzed by a swarm of Rusky Fencer and Flanker jets.  Interested to see if they get the Flit spray out or turn up the wick on the radar to cook their electricals .
Title: Re: Ch 5 tonight, 9pm Warship: Life at sea
Post by: regiment on December 06, 2018, 02:37:35 pm
good program   did not know that radar could interfer with planes
Title: Re: Ch 5 tonight, 9pm Warship: Life at sea
Post by: Netleyned on December 06, 2018, 02:44:53 pm
Quite a range of electronic countermeasures on
them there Darings!


Ned
Title: Re: Ch 5 tonight, 9pm Warship: Life at sea
Post by: gingyer on December 06, 2018, 03:13:34 pm
good program   did not know that radar could interfer with planes


apparently the old bedstead radars fitted on the T42s originally had the ability if turned all the way to maximum power
to fry the electronics on aircraft.



Title: Re: Ch 5 tonight, 9pm Warship: Life at sea
Post by: Netleyned on December 06, 2018, 03:48:52 pm

apparently the old bedstead radars fitted on the T42s originally had the ability if turned all the way to maximum power
to fry the electronics on aircraft.


965 pushed out 450KW of radiated power.
984 Dustbin on Eagle and Victorious pushed out 3 x 3MW
20 times as much
power does not discriminate between Friend and Foe
Old wives tale???
Ned
One time Radar Maintainer Eskimo,LLandaff,Eagle,Juno.

Title: Re: Ch 5 tonight, 9pm Warship: Life at sea
Post by: Baldrick on December 06, 2018, 04:48:39 pm
The reason the Ruskies came no closer was probably the smell of burning electrical insulation.



https://onthewight.com/hms-duncan-17-russian-jets-isle-of-wight-bae-sampson-radar-brazen-hostility-type-45-destroyer/

Title: Re: Ch 5 tonight, 9pm Warship: Life at sea
Post by: Colin Bishop on December 06, 2018, 05:09:30 pm
Or they were still hoping to be able to start a family... :o
Title: Re: Ch 5 tonight, 9pm Warship: Life at sea
Post by: Brian60 on December 06, 2018, 06:08:26 pm
I watched sunday and mondays programs and found them interesting, especially the ability to track the 17 ruski aircraft, Loved the quote of they've got 17 aircraft we've got 48 missiles- I wonder how that would pan out in real life!
Also love the sailor with the sikh headwear with 'royal navy' on it  :}
Title: Re: Ch 5 tonight, 9pm Warship: Life at sea
Post by: Taranis on December 06, 2018, 09:31:54 pm
I watched sunday and mondays programs and found them interesting, especially the ability to track the 17 ruski aircraft, Loved the quote of they've got 17 aircraft we've got 48 missiles- I wonder how that would pan out in real life!
Also love the sailor with the sikh headwear with 'royal navy' on it  :}


It would pan out very badly as it would need many hundreds not 48. They have so many aircraft I don't know why we bother at all
Title: Re: Ch 5 tonight, 9pm Warship: Life at sea
Post by: warspite on December 07, 2018, 07:04:52 am
48 in the tubes, how many in the stores if any, 17 aircraft and another for the missile the aircraft had launched and they would be out if more than one missile release by the aircraft, makes you wonder.
Title: Re: Ch 5 tonight, 9pm Warship: Life at sea
Post by: kinmel on December 07, 2018, 08:20:54 am
Plus a salvo of missiles from the warship that had disappeared and the Wildcat was sent off to find.
Title: Re: Ch 5 tonight, 9pm Warship: Life at sea
Post by: Ken G121 on December 07, 2018, 08:25:26 am
I also think that aircraft which are ‘fly by wire’ can suffer from interference of Their flying controls if hit with high power HF radio signals, despite the wiring being screened.
Title: Re: Ch 5 tonight, 9pm Warship: Life at sea
Post by: warspite on December 07, 2018, 09:11:33 am
Plus a salvo of missiles from the warship that had disappeared and the Wildcat was sent off to find.


Wildcat ? ? ?, thought it was a Lynx, lol, it had already returned hadn't it, if it was Dennis's ranger etc (cv) then I would have expected wildcats (yes i do know there is a variant of the Lynx called a wildcat - well i do now) {-)
Title: Re: Ch 5 tonight, 9pm Warship: Life at sea
Post by: warspite on December 07, 2018, 09:15:41 am

I should redo this video as it very bad quality - should have used my phone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tzc-0Kc1Mco
Title: Re: Ch 5 tonight, 9pm Warship: Life at sea
Post by: roycv on December 07, 2018, 09:28:51 am
Hi Netleyned, the power o/ps you mention they would be peak power? What is the mean power?  I used to be a radar technician on air radar.  One of the gears I was on had a peak power of 8KW, but the mean power was very low, about 10 Watts. 

Other radar used as search radar was older but not 'gated' or turned off when in position in the nose of the aircraft, must have bathed the pilot in radiation while he was flying,  This same radar when being serviced could be pointed up at our neon lighting in a room maybe 100 feet long and light every fluorescent light in the room that was in its path.
After one of our coleagues started feeling unwell for no reason some shielding, earthed chicken wire, was used like a Faraday cage.  Never found out if he had a radiation problem though.

The ground radar had a large out of bounds area when it was in use.
All a long while ago now but I still lke keeping up with technology.
Regards Roy


Title: Re: Ch 5 tonight, 9pm Warship: Life at sea
Post by: Brian60 on December 07, 2018, 11:52:11 am
Are the Russians using stealth technology in the form of a cloaking device (like the Klingons in Star Trek)? One minute they are tracking a Russki warship then it dissapears completely, so they launch the helicopter to look for it. All they find is an intel collecting trawler, but then a little later the images change from the trawler back to a warship. Hmmm, serious stealth technology on show there  :} :}
Title: Re: Ch 5 tonight, 9pm Warship: Life at sea
Post by: Liverbudgie2 on December 07, 2018, 01:04:55 pm
Warship radars also affect camera shutters. It happened to me twice, once when I was covering Staff Collage Sea Days and I was aboard HMS Newcastle the other
when a Dutch/Belgian Kortenor class frigate was coming alongside HMS Belfast in the Pool of London. The shutter (electro – magnetic) on my Mamiya 645 just sized up on both occasions.

LB
Title: Re: Ch 5 tonight, 9pm Warship: Life at sea
Post by: Colin Bishop on December 07, 2018, 01:58:41 pm
When I had a 1:1 scale boat leisure sailors were warned that GPS in Portsmouth Harbour could be unreliable due to the signals being affected by warship radars.
Colin
Title: Re: Ch 5 tonight, 9pm Warship: Life at sea
Post by: Netleyned on December 07, 2018, 03:43:11 pm
Back in the 60's the old 965 radar
used to give a buzz on BBC radio,
One for every rotation %)
Even the ships SRE picked it up.
The radar was in the VHF band.
@ Roycv, I don't have the ERP or MP
figures and the radars were low freq
(for radar)
Had a nice job cleaning and repairing a
bird strike on a Hunter T8 ranging radar
On 764 Sqd RNAS.
Ned
Title: Re: Ch 5 tonight, 9pm Warship: Life at sea
Post by: roycv on December 07, 2018, 04:37:27 pm
Hi netleyned, thanks for the response.  All back in the day etc.  I was on 59 Squadron RAF(1957-60) it was only up and running for about 3 years and then amalgamated with 3 Sqdrn.  Having started up as 102 Sqdrn.  It was formed to fly Canberras.
Personally we were cycled between 59 and the Radio Servicing Flight to keep our hands in on repair, although I did not see the navigation radar I was primarily trained on until moving to Lyneham to work on Vanguard transport aircraft.
Forgot to mention the radar was in the X-band at 8800Mhtz.

regardsRoy
 
Title: Re: Ch 5 tonight, 9pm Warship: Life at sea
Post by: BrianB6 on December 07, 2018, 11:41:34 pm
And there was I thinking one needed an H bomb EMP to knock out communications  %%
Title: Re: Ch 5 tonight, 9pm Warship: Life at sea
Post by: DavieTait on December 08, 2018, 02:43:34 pm
The older Soviet era aircraft all still have valve based radars which are far more hardened against EMP/high powered radar , but , they had to move to modern electronics for the new radars needed to stand a chance against stealthy aircraft and those would be vulnerable to high powered radar.... I also think the RN would've turned the radar power down just to keep its ultimate range a secret from the Russians