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Title: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: taucher on January 20, 2019, 11:35:55 am
I start a building blog. The "Greif" was build in 1958 in Hamburg and is a powered pontoon with a Kampnagel  crane.


1984 -2009 he was stationed in Brunsbuettel there I work with him. Today he is a hotel and museum in Hamburg http://myfloatel.de/hideaways/hafenkran-hamburg


scale is 1:20
(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/explore/recent)


Ralph
Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: taucher on January 20, 2019, 11:45:31 am
the rivets are 1x3 mm. This is not much bigger than dust. I start with the boom because is the difficult at this.


Ralph
Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: Brian60 on January 20, 2019, 11:52:04 am
That is very nice metal work there, hope to see some more later.
Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: Capt Podge on January 20, 2019, 11:58:31 am
Looks like a very interesting project. Are you working to a particular scale Ralph?


Regards
Ray.
Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: taucher on January 20, 2019, 01:13:57 pm
Oh yes is 1:20 like the Süderoog https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,62270.0.html and his
barge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaEO2ZU-ah0
less is not good for my eyes

Ralph
Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: nmbrook on January 20, 2019, 02:45:05 pm

Very nice model engineering Ralph,I look forward to following along :-))


Regards


Nigel
Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: steve mahoney on January 21, 2019, 11:48:10 pm
Your Suderoog is an excellent model, I'll be following your progress on the Greif with great interest.
Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: taucher on January 23, 2019, 09:16:49 pm
The second part of the tip  {:-{  the mast will last.


(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/explore/recent)



(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/explore/recent)


Ralph
Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: taucher on January 26, 2019, 01:54:21 pm
to the bottom end.
In the backyard of the last crane diver. I found the starboard propeller. and rebuild him scale size.

the port side was more difficult because no original %)


Ralph
Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: taucher on March 16, 2019, 06:54:09 pm
The rivet counter indicates 306 +there on the ground. The boom has nearly full length.


(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/03/16/Nietenzahler1.jpg)


(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/03/16/Ausleger6.jpg)


(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/03/16/Ausleger7.jpg)


Ralph





Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: ballastanksian on March 16, 2019, 07:18:49 pm

It is good to see some pewter sploshing and lots of model engineering Ralph! Do you wear head magnifiers to help your straining eyes's?


The way you made those propeller blades is clever   :-))
Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: Umi_Ryuzuki on March 16, 2019, 07:40:48 pm
Very nice,
I cheated and simplified 2 of 3 marine cranes that I built.
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Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: taucher on March 16, 2019, 07:47:48 pm
Thanks use only simple reading glasses.
 and simplifire bud not so mutch.


Ralph
Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: Mark T on March 16, 2019, 08:24:05 pm
Thats lovely work - miniature engineering at its best by the looks of things
Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: derekwarner on March 16, 2019, 10:50:39 pm

Ralph.......great steel [brass] work there in the floating crane Hotel  :-))

http://myfloatel.de/hideaways/hafenkran-hamburg (http://myfloatel.de/hideaways/hafenkran-hamburg)


Certainly a unique way to save heritage .....although at 350E to 450E [weekend rate] per night and only one double room to book

How will the owners will make sufficient money to survive?

The WEB site tells that you can take breakfast on a small balcony, but it is always is raining in Hamburg  O0

Please continue with your posts

regards Derek

PS...whats the food like @ Harrys Hamburger Hafenbasar? {Joint {-) .... just up the road a bit & lets hope it has a roof}
Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: taucher on April 12, 2019, 07:11:24 pm
it is so far, the side parts are ready. the connection becomes difficult.


(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/04/12/Ausleger10.jpg)


Ralph


[size=78%]https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/04/12/Ausleger10.jpg (https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/04/12/Ausleger10.jpg)[/size]

Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: ballastanksian on April 12, 2019, 09:09:24 pm
Oooh, I like some good fabrication  :} I bet that structure already weighs a bit?
Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: TailUK on April 14, 2019, 01:07:50 pm
Ralph.......great steel [brass] work there in the floating crane Hotel  :-))

http://myfloatel.de/hideaways/hafenkran-hamburg (http://myfloatel.de/hideaways/hafenkran-hamburg)


Certainly a unique way to save heritage .....although at 350E to 450E [weekend rate] per night and only one double room to book

How will the owners will make sufficient money to survive?

The WEB site tells that you can take breakfast on a small balcony, but it is always is raining in Hamburg  O0

Please continue with your posts

regards Derek

PS...whats the food like @ Harrys Hamburger Hafenbasar? {Joint {-) .... just up the road a bit & lets hope it has a roof}

I never like to contradict people on Mayhem (believe that and I'll tell you another! :} :} :}) but I spent 4 days in Hamburg last September and it didn't rain once.  Out of the breeze the weather was fine although like another great river city, Liverpool, there always seems to be a cold breeze coming off the river.  Visits to the Hafencity district should include the Minature Wunderland (big, big model railway. Allow a day and a half!) and the Maritime Museum (allow a day!) which has a really good and inexpensive café serving a lot of traditional Hamburg fare.
Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: taucher on April 16, 2019, 09:30:45 pm
The Weather in Hamburg  ? for the british its this the south.  %)  so much better than at home  %)


in the occasion of the opening of the second bag rivets (500 piece )


mass 450 g  Load capacity 5 Kg


(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/04/16/Ausleger14.jpg)


Ralph
Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: ballastanksian on April 16, 2019, 09:47:06 pm
It shows what a collection of rivets will accomplish. Excellent work so far! Here's to the next 500 of the little blighters  :-)
Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: taucher on May 04, 2019, 08:17:11 pm
Yes I reach the hub. Its silver soldered. And already on the arm.



Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: Dreadnought on May 04, 2019, 10:48:10 pm
Wow you’re metal work is very impressive! :-)) :-))
Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: taucher on June 18, 2019, 07:44:51 pm
Hello everyone


Summer is pond time. but a little is happened


I placed the guideway . for this I have to build a secondary support


(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/06/18/Ausleger25.jpg)

(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/image/Jgpov)
Ralph
Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: taucher on July 01, 2019, 08:11:30 pm
moin


for raising and lowering the boom, I need a gearbox. The gearwheel need a second disc and the box is complete silver soldered


not done but under way.




the images are visible ?


Ralph
Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: ballastanksian on July 01, 2019, 08:36:25 pm
Super work! I have never seen a gearbox case made before.
Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: derekwarner on July 02, 2019, 12:00:21 am
Yes Ralph, images are here....


We see about 2.2:1 straight cut gear ratio [16/36?] in your manufactured reducer, but the coding for the Gearbox motor CCH2230 does not confirm the actual reduction ratio


I imagine the luffing of the crane boom would be very slow?.....


What speed do you plan?....or is the threaded bar the worm drive?


[I have seen these drives in old Dockyard cranes......the mechanism is called Bottle Jacks and they usually work in pairs]


Derek
Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: taucher on July 02, 2019, 06:19:30 pm
it´s simply a motor and my gearbox ratio 1:3 . I even  tjink 6V be enough, should not whip.


the best Image I have



Ralph
Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: derekwarner on July 02, 2019, 11:20:02 pm
This is the casing tube that the Bottle Jack 'worm rod' rotates in......


Depending on the arrangement, many Dock Yard crane luffing mechanism is controlled by this Bottle Jack


The axis of the casing tube is dependent on the angle of luff from the lower to the upped extensions, hence the angle of arc shown


So either the gearbox with the worm rod is pivoted, or the worm wheel is pivoted and the casing stays fixed etc


Derek
Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: Southern Sailor on July 03, 2019, 07:34:35 am
Ralph, when designing a gearbox like that, how do you know what centres to use for the gears? Regards. Brian
Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: taucher on July 03, 2019, 05:09:28 pm
everything pivotet, yes . The gearbox at the boom and the treaded rod at the structure.


@ Brian
oure german dealer  has anny tables to calculate this [size=78%]https://www.maedler.de/product/1643/1618/1034/2739/stirnzahnraeder-aus-polyketon-modul-1 (https://www.maedler.de/product/1643/1618/1034/2739/stirnzahnraeder-aus-polyketon-modul-1)[/size]


here "d" half, of both gears. if you like learn about gears


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-vcdvqg-zk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-vcdvqg-zk)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVN2jrn4Kuo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVN2jrn4Kuo)


this guys experts  :-))


Ralph
Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: Southern Sailor on July 04, 2019, 07:31:28 am
Thank you Ralph. The tables will come in handy.  By the way I have often thought about how to drive the rotation movement of a crane.  A worm drive would be ideal from a speed point of view but otherwise not at all appropriate.  Rather normal gearing for this function.  Haven't looked through your blog yet so it may have been considered here already. Cheers for now. Brian
Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: Southern Sailor on July 04, 2019, 08:31:25 am
Also really useful videos.  Thanks.  :-))
Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: taucher on July 12, 2019, 09:02:12 pm
now you kan see al the pivotes. I use a geared motor now, make 300 rpm

https://youtu.be/GSYFcDeSt4I
Ralph
Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: taucher on April 17, 2020, 06:47:30 pm
oh the time is running  %)  but it´s done. I finished the boom.
The counterweights are made of thins 0,5mm brass. from photos.








(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2020/04/17/Gewicht4.md.jpg)


(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2020/04/17/Ausleger28.md.jpg)


the weights are empty I filled later.


Ralph
Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: steve mahoney on April 17, 2020, 10:19:38 pm
Excellent, Ralph. A masterclass in brasswork.
Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: derekwarner on April 17, 2020, 10:37:26 pm
Following on Ralph.....  :-))  ......are the counterweight buckets filled with water on the full sized machine?...... Derek
Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: taucher on April 18, 2020, 07:06:28 am
if I know how many weight, much later. lead pellets an seal with plaster. so I  calculate.

Ralph
Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: ballastanksian on April 18, 2020, 03:14:12 pm
Award worthy model engineering there Ralph!
Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: awvs on April 18, 2020, 03:48:13 pm

Simply amazing  :-)) :-)) :-))


Wilhelm
Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: taucher on January 23, 2021, 06:54:17 pm
Hello again


After the boom, I needed a change. That's how I built a mooring boat. Belongs to the Schramm company which also had the crane.

(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/image/auz59)
(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/image/auz59)
(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/image/auXi5)
Now you can continue with the construction. for this I built I-beams 20x8mm. Unfortunately not to sale

(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/image/auI6L)

(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/image/auUtP)
(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/image/auM0p)


Ralph
Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: taucher on May 27, 2022, 09:11:31 pm

One year break is over
[/size]rope disc cast and machined
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[/size]The slewing ring was not easy
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[/size]The structure is standing
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[/size]Ralph
Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: ballastanksian on June 01, 2022, 11:15:56 pm
Welcome back after your years sabbatical. The ring gear is excellent with a smooth operation. I like the boat :-))
Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: taucher on July 17, 2022, 09:18:28 pm
Hello again. I have finished the second beam.  Was tricky because my folding bench is too small for it




(https://i.postimg.cc/KvGPXLsf/Ausleger38.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/K4WkBKb3)

Now assembling with superstructure

Ralph
Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: Martin (Admin) on July 17, 2022, 10:34:07 pm
 
WoW!  Awesome!   :o :o :o
Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: Dreadnought on July 18, 2022, 12:14:31 pm
That’s amazing  :-))
Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: taucher on January 06, 2024, 06:07:08 pm
all half jear I can report :embarrassed:


The Kran has function, has a Bucket and is going to floating. It's not the original hull, test only

All so I had buildhave 1m ladder

(https://i.postimg.cc/8cCKnNSX/Schaufel3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CBWsRydb)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Lstvvhr3/Rumpf1.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

(https://i.postimg.cc/CKSbh7Qb/IMG-4531.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Mn3nt7xG)

At last the video

https://youtu.be/opkSTv49BlA

Ralph
Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: taucher on January 20, 2024, 08:49:51 pm
A little carpentry and I have a hull

(https://i.postimg.cc/0jtWwsZk/Rumpf7.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/wRmcCnSZ)

Ralph
Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: derekwarner on January 21, 2024, 12:53:30 am
Ralph......

Many of these 2 jaw Clamshell crane buckets have a secondary trip wire to open the jaws

Details in the following link may assist

https://www.rctruckandconstruction.com/showthread.php?t=13646 (https://www.rctruckandconstruction.com/showthread.php?t=13646)


Derek
Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: taucher on January 21, 2024, 07:12:41 pm
These too. Not shown in the film because the winch is still being worked on.

https://youtu.be/YDcBxJMJwF4

Ralph
Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: derekwarner on January 21, 2024, 08:15:38 pm
Super mechanism Ralph & working well  :-))  even in real life, the tripping mechanism is a delicate design function  :o


Derek
Title: Re: floating crane "Greif"
Post by: taucher on January 21, 2024, 08:57:41 pm
I still have to modify the winch to ensure it works reliably. However, I won't be able to prevent the bucket from twisting.

Ralph