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Title: Windows 10 - another major update!
Post by: Martin [Admin] on March 29, 2019, 07:39:27 PM
 
Watch-out , a new Windows 10 'Feature Update' has come to town!

 It just trashed my PC BIOS and it wouldn't reboot, it got stuck going into BIOS !




.... Hang on ..... Fake News, it was just a stuck key on my keyboard!   {-) {-)  {-)


New features:  https://www.cnet.com/how-to/windows-10-october-2018-update-the-7-best-new-features/

 
Title: Re: Windows 10 - another major update!
Post by: Colin Bishop on March 29, 2019, 07:56:30 PM
Pretty much every time I log into Windows I get a different background image which I assume is intended to remind me that Microsoft really own my PC, not me.  :((

Colin
Title: Re: Windows 10 - another major update!
Post by: TheLongBuild on March 29, 2019, 08:04:26 PM

Watch-out , a new Windows 10 'Feature Update' has come to town!

 It just trashed my PC BIOS and it wouldn't reboot, it got stuck going into BIOS !




.... Hang on ..... Fake News, it was just a stuck key on my keyboard!   {-) {-) {-)

New features:  https://www.cnet.com/how-to/windows-10-october-2018-update-the-7-best-new-features/ (https://www.cnet.com/how-to/windows-10-october-2018-update-the-7-best-new-features/)




Am I missing something here but that update was October last year ?
Title: Re: Windows 10 - another major update!
Post by: TheLongBuild on March 29, 2019, 08:11:51 PM
Pretty much every time I log into Windows I get a different background image which I assume is intended to remind me that Microsoft really own my PC, not me.  :((

Colin


?? Just set your own wallpaper background image then.
Title: Re: Windows 10 - another major update!
Post by: Colin Bishop on March 29, 2019, 08:42:48 PM
I do but the Windows image comes up first until I login when my usual wallpaper is displayed.

Colin
Title: Re: Windows 10 - another major update!
Post by: TheLongBuild on March 29, 2019, 08:55:31 PM
Umm, did not realise that..have to have a look.  You could find the windows image and save yours as theirs, not tried it but might give it a go.
Title: Re: Windows 10 - another major update!
Post by: Colin Bishop on March 29, 2019, 09:12:50 PM
The downloaded Windows image changes on a reguular basis!
Colin
Title: Re: Windows 10 - another major update!
Post by: fredd on March 29, 2019, 09:35:44 PM
You could try checking
Settings
Personalisation
Lock screen
Background
Picture or slideshow?
Set at Picture remains the same

Fred
Title: Re: Windows 10 - another major update!
Post by: Tugtower on March 30, 2019, 10:21:20 AM
That sounds to me that you have windows wallpaper slide show active on the personalised background settings...


In there they have a selection of wallpapers preloaded.. your wall paper is changing with one of those becuuse the slideshow/rotation images is active.. just turn it off or change the preloaded images windows set with your own... just a note that features been there since win7... you must have spotted this option by now...
You can also change the ďstart upĒ image on the personalisation menu... win 10 is just a pain in the ass with the way itís been configured, it dose make simple things a pig to sort out...thank gawd I run a Linux any issues there are my own fault  %%
Title: Re: Windows 10 - another major update!
Post by: Colin Bishop on March 30, 2019, 10:59:13 AM
I can't be bothered to fiddle with irrelevant settings dreamed up by IT nerds.  life's too short. I have my main wallpaper set up and that loads as soon as Windows fires up.

Colin
Title: Re: Windows 10 - another major update!
Post by: Shipmate60 on March 30, 2019, 11:52:18 AM
Same as mine Colin.


Bob
Title: Re: Windows 10 - another major update!
Post by: gerritv on March 30, 2019, 01:43:03 PM
Very simple to change the lock screen background: (this is the first background that you see, separate from the subsequent backgrounds)
https://binged.it/2U8EOgj (https://binged.it/2U8EOgj)


Gerrit
Title: Re: Windows 10 - another major update!
Post by: gerritv on March 30, 2019, 01:47:07 PM
win 10 is just a pain in the ass with the way itís been configured, it dose make simple things a pig to sort out...thank gawd I run a Linux any issues there are my own fault  %%

I run Windows (since 3.0) for the reason that Linux makes simple things complex. And of course the gazillion different versions makes it even more challenging. My advice-pick one OS and stick with it. Change is difficult. (I got a hate on for Unix in the 1980's, Linux was not an improvement so I just stay away from it).


Remember, its a tool, not a life style :-)
Title: Re: Windows 10 - another major update!
Post by: Umi_Ryuzuki on March 30, 2019, 03:46:45 PM
There has been no "Major" update this year.
.

Every time there is a "Major" update, microsoft deletes my windows 7 solitaire games and replaces it with windows 10 solitare games.
The difference is that the windows 10 games havean advertising page after every win.
To get rid of the advertising, I deleted all the windows 10 game files and found and installed windows 7 games.
 
 
I also hid copies of the game files and install program in two separate places. Because the first time I
  installed the Win7 games, microsoft deleted everything, and I had to hunt down the original web page that
offered the old game file download a second time.

 .
So basically Microsoft 10 has embedded advertising content. This allows microsoft to make money via paid
advertising each time you use a connected feature.  :(( 
Title: Re: Windows 10 - another major update!
Post by: malcolmfrary on March 31, 2019, 10:44:31 AM
I assume that that is what M$ meant when they said that thier operating system was now a "service" rather than a commodity.  It is no longer something that you buy to enable you to to jobs using your PC, it is a door for M$ to draw income from anything that you do on that PC.
Title: Re: Windows 10 - another major update!
Post by: gerritv on March 31, 2019, 12:57:34 PM
I assume that that is what M$ meant when they said that thier operating system was now a "service" rather than a commodity.  It is no longer something that you buy to enable you to to jobs using your PC, it is a door for M$ to draw income from anything that you do on that PC.

Really??? Explain to me how Microsoft is making money from me using Windows 10 after the initial purchase? I see zero ads from MS while  using my PC. And zero while using their apps on my Android devices. And I use it a lot. OTOH anything Google is incessant in pushing ads and tracking me across all devices (browser cookies) so they can sell my usage to advertisers. A$$ple takes much more from your pocket and keeps on taking. 40% profit margins, and 30% take from iTunes, now 50% from publishers on their News channel. And you will be upgrading every 5-7 years due to forced obsolescence (they drop support for older machines on a regular basis, also dropping the apps for those from their store), unlike with Windows where a 12 year old laptop is now running Windows 10.
Title: Re: Windows 10 - another major update!
Post by: Baldrick on March 31, 2019, 03:53:12 PM
Really??? Explain to me how Microsoft is making money from me using Windows 10 after the initial purchase? I see zero ads from MS while  using my PC. And zero while using their apps on my Android devices. And I use it a lot. OTOH anything Google is incessant in pushing ads and tracking me across all devices (browser cookies) so they can sell my usage to advertisers. A$$ple takes much more from your pocket and keeps on taking. 40% profit margins, and 30% take from iTunes, now 50% from publishers on their News channel. And you will be upgrading every 5-7 years due to forced obsolescence (they drop support for older machines on a regular basis, also dropping the apps for those from their store), unlike with Windows where a 12 year old laptop is now running Windows 10.


  News to me !    When I bought my Apple Mac in 2014 it came with OS Yosemite,  I did not bother with El Capitan upgrade although it was available for free on the Apple Store also did not bother with Sierra although it was there later for free, Upgraded last year to High Sierra for free which I am running at the moment . At the moment Mojave is available as a freebie from the Apple Site and I will probably download it in 6 months time when it has matured and been de-nitted.





Title: Re: Windows 10 - another major update!
Post by: gerritv on March 31, 2019, 05:40:39 PM

  News to me !    When I bought my Apple Mac in 2014 it came with OS Yosemite,  I did not bother with El Capitan upgrade although it was available for free on the Apple Store also did not bother with Sierra although it was there later for free, Upgraded last year to High Sierra for free which I am running at the moment . At the moment Mojave is available as a freebie from the Apple Site and I will probably download it in 6 months time when it has matured and been de-nitted.

You are only 5 years in, it is coming :-) We recently replace 4 Mac Minis at our church with Windows PC's due to OS updates not being available for them. I forget how old they were but not 10 years. Some of the other Macs will get Windows 10 in the next year to avoid further hassles, e.g. with ProTools getting messed up with macOS upgrades. Doesn't happen when using Windows 10 for some reason....


https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201624 Hardware EOL listing as a hint of when you will no longer get OS updates.
Generally they only provide updates for 3 releases, ie about 40 months or so.
Title: Re: Windows 10 - another major update!
Post by: malcolmfrary on March 31, 2019, 08:06:42 PM
Really??? Explain to me how Microsoft is making money from me using Windows 10 after the initial purchase? I see zero ads from MS while  using my PC. And zero while using their apps on my Android devices. And I use it a lot. OTOH anything Google is incessant in pushing ads and tracking me across all devices (browser cookies) so they can sell my usage to advertisers. A$$ple takes much more from your pocket and keeps on taking. 40% profit margins, and 30% take from iTunes, now 50% from publishers on their News channel. And you will be upgrading every 5-7 years due to forced obsolescence (they drop support for older machines on a regular basis, also dropping the apps for those from their store), unlike with Windows where a 12 year old laptop is now running Windows 10.

If you are not paying to use a commodity, you are the commodity, one way or another.  M$ is gathering data on you that is sellable.  Much the same as Google, Facebook, Twitter, even if not as in your face.  The other ways to monetize customers is the adverts on games wns (a bit like the "sales opportunity" when you exit a Disney ride), or to con you onto integrating yourself too tightly to the net.  You've obviously managed to ignore the Windows Shop, which refuses to go away - there is a procedure that appears to remove the unwanted rubbish, but updates invariably take up a lot of time replacing them.  Then there is the effort put into enrolling you into Office 365, which you rent, and the constant pushing of OneDrive, free so far but wait for it.  Photobucket used that bait but failed when they thought struck, thinking it was time to strike.
Title: Re: Windows 10 - another major update!
Post by: malcolmfrary on April 04, 2019, 11:23:27 AM
Just a thought about stuff that you might think you bought .......
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-47810367

Title: Re: Windows 10 - another major update!
Post by: grendel on April 04, 2019, 01:04:38 PM
if you have alexa, or one of the other voice operated gadgets, how often have you noticed that if you have been casually talking about it, that suddenly ads keep popping up relevant to what you were talking about, have you ever wondered how much of your data allowance was being used by the system talking back to its owners to tailor their advertising specifically to you.
Title: Re: Windows 10 - another major update!
Post by: plastic on April 04, 2019, 03:09:45 PM
Your phone is an advertising bug just like Alexa and Google and everything else monitoring your speech, where you go in real life, what you do on the internet, who your friends are, where you live, how much you earn, what you watch on tv, what you spend your money on, when you make large purchases, where you go on holiday, how much you spend on holiday - it's all data to be sold to the highest bidder.
Title: Re: Windows 10 - another major update!
Post by: Umi_Ryuzuki on April 06, 2019, 07:09:35 AM
In windows 10, there is an "Enhanced Security" feature that keeps your computer logged in to microsoft andyour "one drive" or something, and allows microsoft to keep your computer 'safer'.
There is also a app and browser scanner that can be activated to keep your internet browsing 'protected', andprevent any malicious apps from being installed.
So you can have microsoft maintain a more active presence in your computer, and online activity.
These features can also be switched OFF.  ok2
Title: Re: Windows 10 - another major update!
Post by: plastic on April 06, 2019, 07:22:10 AM
Here's a scenario....

My wife & I went to Disney Florida - it's all inclusive so we have a 'Magic Band' on our wrists that's an RF tag so it opens our room door, is used to pay for everything (meals, snacks etc.) and gets you into the parks and onto the rides as a fast-pass.

At Disney Springs one evening, I decided to do 'The Void' (total immersion virtual reality adventure) and I paid the $30 in cash.

Later, back at the hotel, my wife went to get a snack and the woman behind the counter asked "Did your husband enjoy The Void?"

The Mouse knows everything.
Title: Re: Windows 10 - another major update!
Post by: warspite on April 06, 2019, 10:54:13 AM
AH! a 'person of interest' moment, Disney seems to be running the 'Samaritan' program. %)
Title: Re: Windows 10 - another major update!
Post by: warspite on April 18, 2019, 05:11:33 PM
Well a sad day for me indeed - A BIG dialogue box opened on my windows 7 pc informing me that support will be withdrawn from 2020 and the heads up was to allow us users to save / backup for a transition to windows X.


If it means the pc won't work after this event say due to a system failure that is non recoverable, then my internet use will cease as will my posting on this excellent forum, why, because I like the freedom to decide what is gleened from my pc by those parties who attach themselves and making my pc obsolete just so they can get you to spend on replacing tech when they deem it to cumbersome to keep it running, in an age of uprecycling etc, I would like any suggestions as what software is similar and usuable to windows 7, where you are not tied to a spending culture i.e. MS or apple - and more importantly MBM is still accessible, lol, discuss
Title: Re: Windows 10 - another major update!
Post by: plastic on April 18, 2019, 05:16:30 PM
I use Win7 - I have 3 indentical replacement PCs in the garage.   
Title: Re: Windows 10 - another major update!
Post by: Colin Bishop on April 18, 2019, 05:52:12 PM
It is the support that is being withdrawn. The software will continue to work.

'Microsoft is set to end extended support for Windows 7 on January 14, 2020, putting a halt on the free bug fixes and security patches for most who have the operating system installed. ... This means that anyone still running the operating system on their PCs will need to pay up to Microsoft to get continued updates.'

As long as you have got decent anti virus software I would think you can just carry on as usual. Some new software might not work though.

Colin
Title: Re: Windows 10 - another major update!
Post by: gerritv on April 18, 2019, 05:53:05 PM
It won't stop working, you just won't get security updates after 2020. Windows 10 is a vast improvement, it happily runs on old machines. In a culture where ppl happily use Android and Apple phones and Google products as well as Facebook I fail to understand to understand this obsession with not sharing data. You have much less to worry about with MS's collection than Google and FB because the purpose is entirely different.


If you want services such as Alexa, Siri and Cortana, then you will be sharing some information. If you expect browser history and login info to be shared across machines, then you will have to share data. etc, etc , etc.


No doubt someone will suggest Linux in one of its gazilion flavours. Expect a big learning curve there, and still you will get weekly updates for their coding mistakes. Nothing is immune from that.
Title: Re: Windows 10 - another major update!
Post by: plastic on April 18, 2019, 05:57:00 PM
I only upgraded from XP a few years ago - when they'd slugged it to death and made it run like wading in treacle.I'll stick with Win7 for as long as possible - I don't like Win 8 or Win 10 and I don't like being used for data harvesting and people selling my information behind my back.
Title: Re: Windows 10 - another major update!
Post by: gerritv on April 18, 2019, 05:59:43 PM
I don't like being used for data harvesting and people selling my information behind my back.
Can I assume you don't  use Google, or Facebook, or have an  Android or iPhone? Because if you do you every movement is being sold. How do you think those helpful 'traffic ahead' indicators show up on your GPS? From location tracking on cell phones.
Title: Re: Windows 10 - another major update!
Post by: plastic on April 18, 2019, 06:00:42 PM
nope - no facebook or google or iphone.  I have no use for them.
Title: Re: Windows 10 - another major update!
Post by: TheLongBuild on April 18, 2019, 06:08:41 PM
W 10 Rocks.. :} :}
Title: Re: Windows 10 - another major update!
Post by: KitS on April 18, 2019, 07:06:14 PM

 In a culture where ppl happily use Android and Apple phones and Google products as well as Facebook I fail to understand to understand this obsession with not sharing data.
 

SOME people happily use etc. etc.

The only one of those that I use is an Android phone, and that's only for txts and phone calls. It's not even connected to the Net.

'Social Media' isn't an essential part of loving to my mind.
Title: Re: Windows 10 - another major update!
Post by: grendel on April 18, 2019, 09:29:44 PM
be careful with win 7, a coincident windows update with an anti virus update bricked the last 6 windows 7 machines in our office last week, apparently microsoft found out and pulled the update, but not before our servers had seen it and prepared it for roll out, once rolled out it took 4 hours to do the update and then you could only get back in in safe mode. 6 machines replaced next day with win 10 machines.
Title: Re: Windows 10 - another major update!
Post by: tsenecal on April 18, 2019, 09:44:59 PM
an issue i am facing with my and my wife's windows 7 machines (mine for personal use, hers is windows 7 because that is what she uses at work) is that on both, i am using microsoft's "windows defender" anti-virus software... i use it because it is free, and it will also no longer be updated when windows 7's support expires.... so i am looking at third party anti-virus software, or a move to windows 10 (where windows defender will be supported)...   i got burned in the past by norton and macafee anti-virus... so am curious what others are using.
Title: Re: Windows 10 - another major update!
Post by: malcolmfrary on April 18, 2019, 10:03:47 PM
W 10 Rocks.. :} :}
Mostly, yes, because it can be set up to work very much like W7, totally by-passing the W8 botch. 
It is possible to limit the information it gathers.  I've only found one program that didn't work, and that was a handy juke box program that was probably pre-Win 98.  I did find a free replacement for that.  Everything else has simply worked, albeit there might be something in there that needs to work in legacy mode.
Somewhere along the line, new hardware will be needed and that will probably need W10.  Scanners tend to be the biggest culprits - they assume that if the operating system has moved on far enough, the scanner will be clapped out, so no new drivers.  No need to buy W10 at full retail - there are outlets selling second hand licences (probably legal) via Amazon at around £20 a go.
You don't tend to notice the operating system in use, its the programs that you see, and they look exactly the same.
Title: Re: Windows 10 - another major update!
Post by: Akira on April 18, 2019, 11:09:13 PM
Avast and Malwarebytes both offer free versions that have worked well for me on W7. Spyware Bot is another choice that offers a free version.