Model Boat Mayhem
The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Working Vessels => Topic started by: Stan on April 07, 2019, 09:08:31 pm
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After 29 years Susie B now needs some urgent attention. After running for over 1 hour today I noticed water dripping from the hull on close inspection the ply hull sheets had sprung from the keel. I now intend to let the hull dry out then rub down the hull and re glass fibre the outside and inside the hull. Work on the inside of the hull will mean a lot of planking will have to be removed to allow glass fibre to be fitted. Pictures to follow.
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Fully sympathise with you Stan. I just had the same problem with my warship. The area concerned is totally inaccessible so I'm having to cut a couple of panels in the foredeck to get at the inside.
Good luck with the repairs :-)
Regards
Ray
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She is still a stunning model Stan....
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As Capt Podge says ..
"I'm having to cut a couple of panels in the foredeck" ...... well Ray as you well know, a Warship entering Drydock may well have a few plates removed........all part of the refit :-))
Derek
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My heart goes out to you chap. My Orca is now laid up on dry land,due to leaks I was finally unable to cure without some fairly brutal repair work. I even considered a new lower hull as an option, instead, I am holding out for 'a bigger boat'!
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Fully sympathise with you Stan. I just had the same problem with my warship. The area concerned is totally inaccessible so I'm having to cut a couple of panels in the foredeck to get at the inside.
Good luck with the repairs :-)
Regards
Ray
When I was working one of the lad's was on the Ark Royal (the old one) and he said that when she went in for an engine refit they had to cut out a section from the flight deck down into the engine deck, as that was the only way they could get the old engine out.
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HI Guys called at my local car shop this morning bought some resin then on to my local model shop. Spent a fortune buying resin brushes timber, saw blades, and wood glue. I then called at my local timber yard and bought some paint stripper. Hopefully some pictures this week his week when sections are cut out.
Stan.
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a Warship entering Drydock may well have a few plates removed........all part of the refit :-))
Derek
You're spot on there Derek - never thought I'd be doing that with a model boat though %%
Regards
Ray
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Hopefully some pictures this week his week when sections are cut out.
Stan.
It'll be interesting to follow your approach to the repairs Stan, hopefully pick up some tips along the way :-)
Regards
Ray
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Four pictures showing surgery needed to allow glass fibre to be installed inside the hull. Once this is complete a new ply deck will be fitted then re planked and weathered. The hull outside will need attention not sure what action will be needed then a total repaint job. More pictures to follow.
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Hi Stan
It as served you well
I did this video 10 years ago & your boat is happy sailing around
You will see at 24 seconds in & again at 1 minute 18 seconds
It will be sailing again very soon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVjlpNM1Z8w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVjlpNM1Z8w)
Jason
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Stripping off the hull paint now to allow the glass fibre to adhere to the wood better. I am going to make a new rudder also the last one has done 29 years and its looking a little tatty.
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Just three pictures showing paint been removed from the hull I hope to have this complete by the end of the day.
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Hi Guys now fitting the glass fibre to the inside of the hull what a job. Next week rub down the hull fit the glass fibre then paint.
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Nice work!
Paint stripper rather than sanding?
Certainly lifted the original paint.
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Yes all the paint is off glass fibre fitted to internal hull parts. Motor cleaned tested and refitted new voltage regulator installed for lighting. Next week hull will be sanded and glass fibre matting applied then a new paint job. More pictures this evening.
Stan. :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
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Just a few pictures showing hull with paint removed and glass fibre in inner hull.
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Lovely job so far Stan and it must be very tricky working around all of the detail thats already there :-))
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Nice Stan :-))
I've found a seller of the 30" like yours. I thought it was discontinued however I will visit the shop while on holiday in London and check it in person.
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After a day off at our clubs Steam Open day I hope to be back in full swing this week. It must be up and running for Doncaster show in May.
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Monday final filling of the hull done and rubbed down hope to glass fibre on Tuesday.
Stan.
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Started to fit the glass fibre today what a messy job. still has to be done.
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Was it covered in glass when you first built it Stan ?
The last incarnation by Midwest included glass cloth in the kit
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Two layers, if I remember correctly. What a superb kit that was - in all respects. Eat your heart out, Dumas!
DM
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Hi Andy yes 30 years ago it came with glass matting not sure about two layers.
Stan.
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This has turned into quite the rebuild!
Thanks for posting photos of it.
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HI Mike still a long way to go will keep posting pictures.
Stan.
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Just finished rubbing down first coat of glass fibre matting not happy with results. Made a trip to a glass fibre wholesaler this morning and bought some tools glass matting and various other items saved a fortune.
Stan.
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Just three pictures showing the first cote of glass fibre rubbed down not happy with the finish and the last two hull cleaned up ready for second cote of glass fibre. The professionals gave me lots of tips this morning and for a small outlay the right tools for the job. No more car shops to buy materials.
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If you have to put on a skim of filler to get your final finish, may I suggest something called Dolphin Glaze. It is a fairly low viscosity two part filler, which skims beautifully with a suitable applicator. Gives a surface finish that lacks the usual lumpiness of normal tinned fillers, easing final rub down. Also very good on Steampunk Robots so I hear!
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Second coat of glass fibre applied. Next pictures will show hull painted in colours applied way back in 1990. The boot topping will be red vinyl this was applied to the original build.
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Having some time off from hull work refitting all the electrics at the moment pictures to follow.
Stan.
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Hopefully all electrics will be in place this week. Then the job of filling and sanding down the hull pictures to follow of the electrics.
Stan.
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Most of the electrics in place just need to power up and test pictures to follow.
Stan.
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All the electrics now tested all working fine next job rebuild the cabin area pictures later this week .
Stan.
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Got mine Stan
Fresh start :-)
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Hi all just a few pictures showing all electrics now in place also hull filled with fine surface filler. Next Job to install rudder servo then hopefully paint the hull. Please note the terminal blocks do not have screws the blade is pushed down then insert the cable release the blade cable fixed
Stan.
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Very nice! :-))
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Rudder servo now fitted and working pictures to follow. Have tried numerous servo tapes to fix the servo all gone in the bin a waste of time. Gone back to quality tapes used in the construction industry a winner every time .
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Question for you Stan. Do you think it might be possible to fit a motor with a straight coupler rather than UJ? maybe by adjusting shaft length and brushless motor.
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HI Andy the bulkhead the motor is fitted to is vertical so some modifications would have to be made to fit a straight coupling and brushless motor. Many years ago I was given a brushless motor to try in my model it proved to be way to fast and it created a lot of vibration. So I went back to a brushed motor that motor is now in the bin after 29 years service it fell apart. A new brushed motor has been installed during the refit. But I see no reason why you should not be able to fit modern motors with a little modification. I have to try and rebuild mine with what was available 29 years ago.
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Thanks Stan. So there is room with a scratch built motor mount :-))
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HI Andy the area under the cabin roof is large see my last pictures. The space under the wheel house is not so good very shallow pictures on this thread show this hope this helps.
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Stan,
Been watching your repairs on the lobster boat. Coming along very nicely. The original was very well done with all appropriate details. From the original, one might have thought you were a “down Mainer”. Presumably you will incorporate same details in the rebuild? I have this model as well as a current era hull.
Jim,
Thanks for your thoughts. I understand kv/voltage. I guess what escapes me at some level is the advantage of brushless/brushed. Since I have no one else in my area who builds model boats I do not run my boats enough to wear out the brushes. My current era lobster boat has a brushless inrunner designed for racing. It is OVERLY quick & will flip if I am not careful. Some day I will replace the inrunner with a lower kv outrunner to make it more scale speed. A few of us in years past got together in Maine to race the models as part of the real lobster boat races. Unfortunately the model races no longer occur.
Bill
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Tx
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HI Guys please can you not turn my post into a debate about brushless motors. I started this thread to show what could be done to repair a very special model to me.
Stan.
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Sorry Stan Happy for moderation to tidy :-))
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Happy to leave the comments about B/less motors but no more please. We have to remember when I built my model all that you get were brushed motors. But things have moved on so why not fit more modern items in your build. I wish to restore mine to its 1990 configuration this is what people remember this model for. Good Luck with you build Andy.
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Stan,
Apologies for interrupting your thread.
Bill
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Topic tidied up to keep it on Stan's original topic.
Peter Fitness,
Moderator.
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Hi been sanding down filler today. The primer shows every blemish I hate this step of the rebuild it seems to take forever. Sadly a further casualty today the light on the cab roof got knocked off. This will have to made again and rewired one step forward ten back. .
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Mast head light remade and I can fit a soft yellow L E D far better than the grain of wheat bulb Picture's to follow.
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Just a few high spots to sand back the into the paint shop. Also a picture of the new mast head light still needs a L E D fitting then paint and refit and rewire.
Stan.
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Looking good Stan. Did you fabricate the masthead light?
Bill
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HI Bill yes from 1/8 brass tube and flat brass sheet still needs the led fitting and painting.
Stan.
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HI Bill yes from 1/8 brass tube and flat brass sheet still needs the led fitting and painting.
Stan.
Actually Stan I was referring to the lantern itself.
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Hi Bill the actual light was made by Graupner many years ago. I am not sure if these fittings are still available.
Stan.
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Sorry guys been at a model show all weekend. Hope to have this old model in the paint shop by the end of the week.
Stan
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Hi guys just a few pictures of the dinghy I tow behind my model. Sadly this needs some T L C also.
Stan.
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Managed to get a few hours in today still filling and sanding. I hope to get the first coat of paint on by Friday.
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Wonderful build. I love the details. One question though. Is the 5 pound maul in the dingy for numbin' the lobsta's when they get hauled in? ;)
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No its for awkward members at our lake. Thanks for comments on my model.
Stan
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Wicked good idea!
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Well I had enough of filling and sanding taking the plunge tomorrow and start the paint job. Just a few pictures showing the primed hull. The mast light is now wired using 2mm soft yellow L E D more to follow.
Stan. :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
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Just a few pictures. First in the normal test tank no leaks. Model masked off and suspended from timber shelf first coat of green applied. Final colour will be grass green.
Stan.
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Second coat of paint applied to lower hull final coat on Friday. Hull bottom is Humbrol 80.
Stan.
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Looking great I love that colour but I have to be different :kiss:
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I'm pondering on the hull shape here Stan. The drawing seems to show all the cross section with a very much rounded chine getting sharper towards the bow. I prefer the sharp angle full length
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Good job my memory is still ok re colours used on the lobster boat. Some of my latest builds I need write notes on the colours used.
Stan
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Lower hull now painted just the light grey and red boot tops to apply.
Stan
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Light grey on upper hull now complete. .Monday will mask off the red boot toppings pictures to follow next week.
Stan
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Masking tape removed from upper hull just a few pictures.
Stan.
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A very nice repair of a lovely boat :-))
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HI MarkT still along way to go about a further 4 weeks I think.
Stan.
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Hull paint work now complete timber parts to fit ships name on the stern. Then the fun starts applying some dirty areas. Pictures this evening.
Stan.
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The rebuild is coming along slowly today I masked of the boot toppings and air brushed them. I decided not to fit vinyl tape lots more to do before it sees water again.
Stan.
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Just found some red letraset for the boats name on the stern. I am tying to rebuild this model to the same configuration when it was first built. I seem to have set of a trend for lobster boats.
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Looking good Stan
Perhaps me finding four kits had something to do with it :kiss:
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Perhaps me finding four kits had something to do with it :kiss:
Plenty of lobster boats to stage a race! ;)
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At the moment I am playing with different brushed motors. I have two that could be fitted will decide which to fit after sea trials are complete. Also this evening some minor mods carried out on the wiring.
Stan.
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Today I have fitted some more electronics in the rear section. A voltage regulator which is connected to the input of the sound system this in turn feeds a very compact pump to simulate engine cooling. This was snap decision but while its apart lets do it. Pictures to follow this week
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Going out of my mind this morning unable to find the timber to repair the deck. May have to buy some more.
Stan.
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HI Guys after days looking for this timber would you believe it was right under my nose. The cardboard tube was mixed in with some old timber. A happy chap now.
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Glad you run into the same problems locating stuff! I know I have it but never quite where I thought I saw it last.
Trip to the store to replace it - usually the other one appears.
Nice work on this rebuild.
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Topic Re-titled :-)
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Hoping to refit the mast head running light tomorrow and hopefully wire up. Inlet connection for the pump will be in place also tomorrow pictures to follow. These two threads should be very interesting for all. One old model halving a major refit and a new build. See link to new build.
Stan.
https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,62915.125.html
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Hi Pump pipe work is now complete the mast head light is in place. Hope to wire it up tomorrow and finally the rear deck section is now planked. will post some pictures before Friday.
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Hi guys hoped to have pictures for you today. But my boiler has decided to play up and I am at the Doncaster model show all weekend. So some time next week.
Stan
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Saturday the first full day of the C A D M A model show. Very busy lots of questions on my rebuild of the lobster boat. I was asked many times about the small pumps fitted in both my fishing boats they are supplied from a company called T C S. These units are industrial grade and sadly they are rather expensive .
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HI Guys first group of pictures show the small pump fitted to simulate engine cooling. When the engine sound system is turned on it also supplies power to the voltage reducer and then on to the pump. Output voltage is set at 2.8 volts this gives steady stream from the outlet fitted in the transom. More pictures to follow showing work carried out after this major refit.
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Still some pictures to post but not this evening its been a long weekend at Donnie more later.
Stan. :((
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HI Guys not much going on at the moment. Just a few pictures showing the replacement rear deck section this will be held in place with magnets. The new mast head light is in place and wired up.
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Not much done since the Doncaster show. Today I have started to repair the lobster boxes damaged while been removed before the repair was carried out. I intend to make some more to fill spaces at the back of the model. I am having trouble trying to find some red letraset letters about 9mm high or waterslide decals. I paid a fortune for some letraset which I think is very old stock and is fit for the bin only. Pictures to follow of the boxes.
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Hi all found so red letraset should be with me early next week. I should be able to finish the hull next week and carry out sea trials to see how the new motor performs.
Stan.
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Just a few pictures showing repairs done to the lobster boxes and the trawl boards fitted on hull side. The lobster floats have had the old paint removed and finally the rear deck section magnets now fitted with first coat of sanding sealer
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Still waiting for the letraset to arrive. Engine cooling outlet painted and fixed in place and connected to pump will post more pictures later this week.
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Letraset just arrived I hope to be well on the way with hull finish by this weekend pictures to follow.
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Finally started to fit parts back on the model I hope to finish all by next week if all goes well. I will post some final pictures when the model is finished.
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You continue to Inspire Stan. Beautiful work.
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Stan,
You might find this interesting.
https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?3335127-Lobstering-in-the-Northwest-Atlantic-Gulf-of-Maine (https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?3335127-Lobstering-in-the-Northwest-Atlantic-Gulf-of-Maine)
I will also send to Andy. Do you think there is enough interest in lobstering to create a separate post?
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Hi all not much time this week due to other things happening. Still aiming for the end of next week all been well.
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Just a few pictures showing my untidy work bench. A new servo mounting and the piece of new deck washed with washes. The floats now repainted just need some dark washes applying. The deck section may need some very light washes.
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Looks good!
nice to see benches and the tools that others use - don't think mine is any different.
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Just a few pictures showing areas masked off to repair paint work and dry brush the rubbing strakes. Glazing is now complete also.
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Most of the parts are now back in place hull needs to have a few coats of varnish refit the mast. New group of pictures will be when the work is complete.
Stan
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Another one of yours I love :-)) but I have a Maggie M next month
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I continue to be amazed at the interest you folks have in lobster boats. Well on you. I hope both of you are following the lobstering thread on RC groups Dock Talk started by Jerome Morris, a down Mainer. A lot of information and photos.
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Well after 2 months the refit /repair is finished final ballast checks done this afternoon. The new motor is a little sluggish I am going to repair the old motor and refit final picture taken in the test tank ( the bath).The pump to simulate engine cooling works a treat I have a video of this but I have no idea how get it on to mayhem. The dinghy needs some attention hope to be all finished next week then back to the grey funnel line.
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Great job Stan :-))
Peter.
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Well guys final set of pictures its been a tough job repairing this model but well worth it. Two months ago I had to decide should I scrap or repair this model it was a no brainer. Hopefully the all work carried out will last a further 30 years giving me pleasure for many years to come.
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She's a beauty Stan and you've made a great job of her restoration - congratulations mate :-))
Regards,
Ray.
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She’s a 10 :-))
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Just a beautiful job - it looks so real the way the weathering is done. Top job Stan :-))
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Fantastic job and like someone else mentioned the weathering is great, the intricate detail is perfect and makes it very realistic and you should be proud and please you did the restoration
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Simply excellent! Congratulations Stan :-)) O0
Wilhelm
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Lovely job Stan - modelling at its best.
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Yesterday I closed this thread but I did say I may change the motor this was done late this afternoon. This thread is now closed no more pictures or postings thank you for all your comments .
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When I closed this tread I forgot one thing to show it back on the water so just two pictures from this morning. All looks well the old motor give a nice scale speed. Time to go back to the grey funnel line this is the very last post and very last fishing boat I will build.
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This morning at Kirklees we had two lobster boats on the water. My rebuilt model and the new build by Taranis. We may have set a trend to build this model.
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You should be ashamed of yourself Stan. Keeping yours in such shoddy condition.. %% %% %%
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You should be ashamed of yourself Stan. Keeping yours in such shoddy condition.. %% %% %%
That is the way the boats of that era looked. Skippers had little time to tidy their craft. ok2
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This morning at Kirklees we had two lobster boats on the water. My rebuilt model and the new build by Taranis. We may have set a trend to build this model.
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They look great together.
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Hi Stan it's John V you have done a lovely Job well done .take care cheers John V
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Amazing job, the weathering is just stunning. Very inspirational indeed!
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Just found this picture from last year showing the running lights.
Stan.
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I've had this model for 30 years and over that time I've seen very few now you all want one. The kit build is very easy and it lends itself to be super detailed. The kit seems to be vary rare item these days but you may get lucky.
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HI I have reactivated this thread for a fellow member to visit hope you enjoy
Stan.
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Thanks Stan - will need some time to view it all................
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Forgot to mention first picture by kind permission of D Roberts.
Stan
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Hi Stan,
Not many boats come more super detailed then yours friend, like Chipchase you're someone I look up to and try to be as good.
Regards Howard. ex goolie
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Stan - your boat is so authentic one feels that you could step aboard with the skippers permission. Incredible detail and finish. Very few fishermen have the time or inclination to keep their boats pristine - be a thankless task in any event and most of them would be too busy trying to make a living other than keeping essential bits in good order..........
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Hi Stan,
Thanks for the link and the reminder :-))
[size=78%]Still reading and watching your superb build.[/size]
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Such a fantastic looking boat, the shape of the hull is just so pretty to me! Such a shame these kits aren't in production anymore!
Ruud
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Well after 30 plus years the power distribution board needed some attention. Old screw down blocks removed and far superior ones fitted should be good for the next 30 years. :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) Not sure I will be about then but you never know :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
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Maintenance reqd on the simulated engine cooling pump. Strip down and clean fit new in line filter and renew pipework. :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
Stan.