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Title: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 07, 2019, 10:20:05 AM

HI all im  a newbie with a new pc an a new image hosting site an im tryin to find out how to work all this as im not very good on computers.
An now I wil try an post some pics of my build im scratchbuilding  HMS TIGER C20 in 1/72 semi scale converted to a helicopter carrier an have only been building a few months so not a lot to see.IM at the stage so far havin built the hull with hull frames an qaudron fitted an now ready to start covering the hull a link maybe the only way to see the pics until I can find out how to post proper pics
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 07, 2019, 10:26:03 AM

https://ibb.co/HD5GFT8
A pic of the real ship as a test pic to see if it will show on site please click on link
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 07, 2019, 10:43:00 AM

NOW starting the build by drawn from plans onto the marine plywood an cutting out the keel
https://ibb.co/Bf9nNCs   hopefully link will show as I have not got much confidence in my pc skill 's at the moment but im trying an I will have to load one link at a time as live in a low megabyt  eara
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 07, 2019, 10:54:53 AM

An keel cutout  got to be carefull though as its very fragile to move around anyway more links soon as I got have a rest an then go outside into my garage as that's where the ship is bein built an not indoors due to its size  an build a bit more as I want to start covering her today
https://ibb.co/jJC49NY
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Capt Podge on June 07, 2019, 11:17:15 AM
Looking good Chris, and as you say, a bit fragile at the moment but it will stiffen up once you get the frames mounted.
Looking forward to seeing more as you progress.  :-))


Regards
Ray.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on June 07, 2019, 11:22:40 AM
https://ibb.co/HD5GFT8 (https://ibb.co/HD5GFT8)
A pic of the real ship as a test pic to see if it will show on site please click on link
chris

Pic showed up, its snakey Blakey though  {-) no matter nearly twins
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 07, 2019, 05:58:45 PM

Hi guys a few more links for pic's
Here im now cutting out the main hull joint as this ship will have to come in half for transport in car to pond
https://ibb.co/g9Q0Gyg
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 07, 2019, 06:04:32 PM


 the H/J are cut out an nxt job is drilling them out to fit brass slevses  an to fit the main bolts that will hold the ship togeather
https://ibb.co/g9Q0Gyg
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 07, 2019, 06:15:25 PM

An done on the H/J its now ready to fit into the keel section
https://ibb.co/0JCRHvM
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 07, 2019, 06:22:01 PM

Bolts 'washers'a butterfly nuts all fitted
https://ibb.co/XZn6n9V

Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 07, 2019, 06:29:26 PM

Got a bit ahead of my self there as I should have shown a pic  of the plasticard fitted in between the H/J to serve as a spacer so when the hull is is covered an lifted off baseboard an bolts removed the plasticard can be removed to make a space to fit in  for the hacksaw blade to cut hull
https://ibb.co/8m8hPHT


Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 07, 2019, 06:31:30 PM

AN now ready to fit in place to the keel
https://ibb.co/Pj6GBZ8
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 07, 2019, 06:36:36 PM

Now fittin in hull frames
https://ibb.co/MBhGsnd
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 07, 2019, 06:39:35 PM

More hull frames cut for the front of the vessel
https://ibb.co/5F1MTcQ
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 07, 2019, 06:43:18 PM

AN fitted to keel
https://ibb.co/ysL8mNy
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on June 07, 2019, 06:46:47 PM
Lovely job. You can post your images rather than just links  :-))
Just use the insert image tab and post the image address


(https://i.ibb.co/2KXj0Ft/IMG-4540.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 07, 2019, 06:50:50 PM

Here nr as far as I have gotten on the build an all h frames are in an also the quadrons are fitted to give the hull strength
https://ibb.co/g664qD8 (https://ibb.co/g664qD8)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on June 07, 2019, 06:53:53 PM
Here nr as far as I have gotten on the build an all h frames are in an also the quadrons are fitted to give the hull strength
https://ibb.co/g664qD8 (https://ibb.co/g664qD8)
(https://i.ibb.co/TrrWjHG/IMG-4556.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 07, 2019, 06:54:51 PM
AN fitted to keel
https://ibb.co/ysL8mNy (https://ibb.co/ysL8mNy)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 07, 2019, 07:02:02 PM

HI Andy if you can bring them all up like that I would be very pleased as im new to pc 's an not very good on them an what you said about image tabs an such I have not got a clue as on imgbb there are no intruckions to tell you what to do an ive only got this far by sheer luck sorry about that I have just two more pics to post an that's will be as far as I have got on the build but many thanks for your help on pics but I can only put the links im afraid
chris

Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on June 07, 2019, 07:04:10 PM
If I do it now they'll all end up out of order. Happy to do from now onwards  :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 07, 2019, 07:06:26 PM

a shot from the stern
https://ibb.co/xqQWpND (https://ibb.co/xqQWpND)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 07, 2019, 07:10:33 PM
If I do it now they'll all end up out of order. Happy to do from now onwards  :-))

OH CHEERS Andy as its nice to see the pics isn't it I just wish I couild do it myself instead of bothering you sorry about that
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on June 07, 2019, 07:14:02 PM
a shot from the stern
https://ibb.co/xqQWpND (https://ibb.co/xqQWpND)


(https://i.ibb.co/zVwpyzr/IMG-4557.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 07, 2019, 07:20:32 PM

AN LAST ONE for today I have now started to cover her in what I call a ply rap round this is as far as I have got on the build
https://ibb.co/ThqhP46 (https://ibb.co/ThqhP46)
more links or pics when I get that far
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on June 07, 2019, 07:21:51 PM
AN LAST ONE for today I have now started to cover her in what I call a ply rap round this is as far as I have got on the build
https://ibb.co/ThqhP46 (https://ibb.co/ThqhP46)
more links or pics when I get that far
chris


(https://i.ibb.co/C0s0Vbg/IMG-4559.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 07, 2019, 07:27:47 PM
Many thanks Andy as I treid to do as you said on imgbb an it all went haywire an I could not get back on the imgbb site bloomin windows 10 I found windows vista far easyier  but thank you for bringing the pics up im very pleased only wish I could do it but at least the pics getting on the site as I have great plans for quite a few workin features on tiger  an hope all the guys will enjoy it all best chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on June 07, 2019, 09:34:38 PM

That's just how I built the original Tiger, Hermes and Phoebe, Victorious done same way but plastic card instead of the sheet ply.
My Tiger has traversing 6" that's squirts water, bridge lights, nav lights, mast light, gyro controlled stabilisers, flood lights, rotating radar and white/red battle lights and a really loud foghorn {-)


Bob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 08, 2019, 10:39:17 AM

HI Bob yes that's what im planning to do the same on my tiger as you did an  I did on my  uss Nimitz in  1/144 an hms Edinburgh in 1/64  hms York in 1/64  an hms Norfolk in 1/72 scale  some don't like to see all whistles an bell's on a model but hey that's what the real ship has :-)) . So the models are more realistic an have you got anymore pics to show of your tiger close up to see the detail ? as I would like to see to help me in my build as I had a close friend who dieded of cancer an he said to me you never can have enough pics for info to build an I found he was right
all best chris   ps are all those builds that you have done on this site ?
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on June 08, 2019, 11:11:20 AM

only builds on here in detail are CVA-01 Queen Elizabeth, Victorious and Tiger


Bob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: madrob on June 08, 2019, 02:08:47 PM
cant wait to see it come on Chris, if its anywhere near as good as the rest of your builds it will be outstanding
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 08, 2019, 05:17:55 PM
cant wait to see it come on Chris, if its anywhere near as good as the rest of your builds it will be outstanding

HI Rob  nice to see you on here an many thanks for the compliments very nice of you  an yes I will try an make tiger outstanding as Nimitz was an all the others builds an have you made up your mind what build you want to do yet ?
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: ballastanksian on June 09, 2019, 11:50:27 AM
I love seeing plank/sheet on frame models being built, there is something very sculptural about them.  I like the technique for giving you room for the saw blade to cut the hull  :-)) :-)) It inspires me to get on with my models  :}
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 09, 2019, 12:34:03 PM
I love seeing plank/sheet on frame models being built, there is something very sculptural about them.  I like the technique for giving you room for the saw blade to cut the hull  :-)) :-)) It inspires me to get on with my models  :}

HI  glad you like the build  an yes building the scratchbuilt hull is sort of like sculpter I suppose when you think about it an yes the idea for savin a space betwteen the hull / joint has worked very well for me over the yrs  always been a success an with the ship in two halvles ite easy to transport to the model show or pond  have you any builds ? as be nice to see them ?
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 12, 2019, 04:59:36 PM

HI Guys well ive started to cover the hull an by gum really awkward work but im getting there
https://ibb.co/xhHJ0Rf
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on June 12, 2019, 05:00:58 PM
HI Guys well ive started to cover the hull an by gum really awkward work but im getting there
https://ibb.co/xhHJ0Rf (https://ibb.co/xhHJ0Rf)


(https://i.ibb.co/SNrR89d/IMG-4560.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 12, 2019, 05:03:22 PM
https://ibb.co/H2zfmmT
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 12, 2019, 05:07:34 PM
https://ibb.co/KKnc6Cq
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 12, 2019, 05:10:56 PM

hit the link as here im covering the hull joint an got to be carefull I don't get glue in the H/J or I wont be able to part them
https://ibb.co/58PG5Ys
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on June 12, 2019, 06:04:46 PM
https://ibb.co/H2zfmmT (https://ibb.co/H2zfmmT)


(https://i.ibb.co/KGqpCCx/IMG-4562.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on June 12, 2019, 06:05:16 PM
https://ibb.co/KKnc6Cq (https://ibb.co/KKnc6Cq)


(https://i.ibb.co/LNKDS4t/IMG-4564.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on June 12, 2019, 06:05:43 PM
hit the link as here im covering the hull joint an got to be carefull I don't get glue in the H/J or I wont be able to part them
https://ibb.co/58PG5Ys (https://ibb.co/58PG5Ys)


(https://i.ibb.co/R0qYChQ/IMG-4566.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: ballastanksian on June 14, 2019, 10:41:47 AM
Hm, that could be a ghastly problem to solve  {:-{
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 14, 2019, 05:46:49 PM
Hm, that could be a ghastly problem to solve  {:-{

YES it could but got to look on the positive side I will know in a wk or so as im nearly fininshed covering the hull so fingers crossed
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: RST on June 14, 2019, 09:15:31 PM
I protect things I don't want to stick with cheap brown parcel tape and peel it off after. Tried and tested, nowt sticks to it. Works for building boards also.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 17, 2019, 07:39:05 PM
I protect things I don't want to stick with cheap brown parcel tape and peel it off after. Tried and tested, nowt sticks to it. Works for building boards also.

Hi thanks for the tip
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 17, 2019, 07:47:56 PM

Hi all well I fianally managed to cover all the hull an now leavein it for 24hhrs for glue to go off then tomorrow I will unscrew the hull an gently lift it off the
build board an then remove the hull joint bolts an the plasticard spacer an sweat buckets cutting the hull any way some pics
https://ibb.co/vB4HjTj
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 17, 2019, 07:51:05 PM
https://ibb.co/q1pS9rQ
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on June 17, 2019, 07:51:30 PM
Hi all well I fianally managed to cover all the hull an now leavein it for 24hhrs for glue to go off then tomorrow I will unscrew the hull an gently lift it off the
build board an then remove the hull joint bolts an the plasticard spacer an sweat buckets cutting the hull any way some pics
https://ibb.co/vB4HjTj (https://ibb.co/vB4HjTj)


(https://i.ibb.co/cvh1rZr/IMG-4567.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on June 17, 2019, 07:52:23 PM
https://ibb.co/q1pS9rQ (https://ibb.co/q1pS9rQ)


(https://i.ibb.co/MN7vpC0/IMG-4568.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 17, 2019, 07:54:25 PM
https://ibb.co/tQGmnP2
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on June 17, 2019, 07:55:14 PM
https://ibb.co/tQGmnP2 (https://ibb.co/tQGmnP2)


(https://i.ibb.co/2W9nRYM/IMG-4569.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 17, 2019, 07:56:50 PM
https://ibb.co/HB6XPCJ last section on the bow
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on June 17, 2019, 07:57:40 PM
https://ibb.co/HB6XPCJ (https://ibb.co/HB6XPCJ) last section on the bow


(https://i.ibb.co/CmgW96r/IMG-4572.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 17, 2019, 07:59:14 PM

https://ibb.co/Xb35VVB cheers andy  :-))
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on June 17, 2019, 07:59:59 PM
https://ibb.co/Xb35VVB (https://ibb.co/Xb35VVB) cheers andy  :-))
chris


(https://i.ibb.co/R9B677n/IMG-4573.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 17, 2019, 08:01:58 PM

Last bit fitted to the stern
https://ibb.co/R3dHy5s
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on June 17, 2019, 08:03:17 PM
Last bit fitted to the stern
https://ibb.co/R3dHy5s (https://ibb.co/R3dHy5s)


(https://i.ibb.co/sKz3HBN/IMG-4574.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 17, 2019, 08:07:32 PM

NOW hull is completely covered now for the tedious part of F/G an sandin uuuuurrhh
https://ibb.co/gmBmRDH all done until the nxt stage tomorrow to see if it will come off build board ok an cutting the hull boy will I be sweatin
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on June 17, 2019, 08:08:48 PM
NOW hull is completely covered now for the tedious part of F/G an sandin uuuuurrhh
https://ibb.co/gmBmRDH (https://ibb.co/gmBmRDH) all done until the nxt stage tomorrow to see if it will come off build board ok an cutting the hull boy will I be sweatin
chris
Looking good  :-))
(https://i.ibb.co/7j6j1G8/IMG-4576.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 17, 2019, 08:14:17 PM

Many thanks Andy just got to hope tomorrow goes well boy is that gonna be a long 24hrs  :-))
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: ballastanksian on June 17, 2019, 08:26:42 PM
Deep breaths Chris. I am sure it will be alright.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 18, 2019, 06:44:46 PM
Deep breaths Chris. I am sure it will be alright.

HI well its looks like you were right deep breaths an held  ;) now I can breath again well the hull came off the build board ok with SWMBO help
https://ibb.co/2gDv2Gm
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on June 18, 2019, 06:46:03 PM
HI well its looks like you were right deep breaths an held  ;) now I can breath again well the hull came off the build board ok with SWMBO help
https://ibb.co/2gDv2Gm (https://ibb.co/2gDv2Gm)


(https://i.ibb.co/KFM2ZTR/P1020158.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 18, 2019, 06:50:35 PM
https://ibb.co/rGXqWLg
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on June 18, 2019, 06:51:31 PM
https://ibb.co/rGXqWLg (https://ibb.co/rGXqWLg)


(https://i.ibb.co/SXZHL12/P1020159.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 18, 2019, 06:56:16 PM

Hull joint a nice clean cut I sweated buckets  doin this fearin the worst cheers andy youre a star much appreaciaited
https://ibb.co/LZDscRd


Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on June 18, 2019, 07:00:56 PM
Hull joint a nice clean cut I sweated buckets  doin this fearin the worst cheers andy youre a star much appreaciaited
https://ibb.co/LZDscRd (https://ibb.co/LZDscRd)


(https://i.ibb.co/YL4V1QB/P1020160.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 18, 2019, 07:01:32 PM
Hhttps://ibb.co/zZyCdr2/J on strb side when bolted togeather an it a nice tight fit but there is a lot of work to do on the hull like F/G an sandin down with sandin sealer
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 18, 2019, 07:04:09 PM

lookin down into H/J an again nice tight fit
https://ibb.co/g671bGj
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on June 18, 2019, 07:07:02 PM
Hhttps://ibb.co/zZyCdr2/J on strb side when bolted togeather an it a nice tight fit but there is a lot of work to do on the hull like F/G an sandin down with sandin sealer


(https://i.ibb.co/SBhHSPm/P1020162.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on June 18, 2019, 07:07:27 PM
lookin down into H/J an again nice tight fit
https://ibb.co/g671bGj (https://ibb.co/g671bGj)


(https://i.ibb.co/fQSRVb1/P1020163.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 18, 2019, 07:07:41 PM
ahttps://ibb.co/F0JNYgBn on the hull bottom nice joint im very pleased as now the hull is cut I can build the ship when I please an I can also get the car back in the garage
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Capt Podge on June 18, 2019, 07:08:11 PM
That's a really impressive cut you've made, straight and flat - congratulations :-))


I'll be looking in as you progress.  :-) .


Regards
Ray.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 18, 2019, 07:11:58 PM

an last shot here the hull joined up an ready for the next stage that's the lot for today andy thanks
https://ibb.co/j3Sd0pP


Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on June 18, 2019, 07:14:25 PM
an last shot here the hull joined up an ready for the next stage that's the lot for today andy thanks
https://ibb.co/j3Sd0pP (https://ibb.co/j3Sd0pP)


(https://i.ibb.co/tY9SjdT/P1020167.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 18, 2019, 07:25:08 PM
That's a really impressive cut you've made, straight and flat - congratulations :-))


I'll be looking in as you progress.  :-) .


Regards

Ray.


Many thanks ray im bloomin glad I have got over that hull build been a worry in case it dint turn out ok now I can sleep at nights  :-))
chris  an thanks for your intrest
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on June 18, 2019, 07:29:23 PM
That last shot is most impressive  :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 18, 2019, 08:11:29 PM
That last shot is most impressive  :-))

Cheers Andy it don't look to bad does it im pretty pleased as this will be the last scratchbuilt build I will do as im now an oap an yrs are running out I judge this build will keep me busy for the nxt 5 yrs then on borrowed time  :o but im goin to enjoy building this model as it looks a nice ship as ive never built a half battle cruiser an helo carrier before so something different
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: littoralcombat on June 25, 2019, 11:25:51 AM
Hi Chris, just following on from your question regarding the direction of rotation for HMS Tiger Props. Unfortunately, I have no idea which way they turned. My gut feeling would be Outboard turning, but I have no definite evidence to back up my suspicion.
Nige
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on June 25, 2019, 02:02:21 PM

Following on from all the which way do the props turn, my Tiger has all four turning inboard, and she sails and handles extremely well, so if it aint broke don't fix  :}


Bob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 25, 2019, 06:12:30 PM
Hi Chris, just following on from your question regarding the direction of rotation for HMS Tiger Props. Unfortunately, I have no idea which way they turned. My gut feeling would be Outboard turning, but I have no definite evidence to back up my suspicion.
Nige

HI Nige thanks for your intrest an answer on tiger props rotation  :-)) an I just asked in case you knew but no worryies as im still buildin the hull an still will for at least a few more months an by then I might find some more info on her
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 25, 2019, 06:25:28 PM
Following on from all the which way do the props turn, my Tiger has all four turning inboard, and she sails and handles extremely well, so if it aint broke don't fix  :}


Bob

HI Bob an cheers for your intrest an answer regards props rotation on your tiger as you say if not broke don't fix an very true too but im a fair way off thinkin about the props as still building hull but I like to ask people just in case they might know.But regards my hms Norfolk  type 23 THE PICS that Nige put on the other thread  clearly shows if zoomed in on the props an just by lookin at the blades angle I can see that the type 23 props do go outwards so that's different an as my props on my model do go outwards   im right so no need to fix as you say very good advise cheers  :-))
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: gingyer on June 25, 2019, 07:02:03 PM
Chris
If it helps any we were discussing prop rotation on Sunday....
As people say tugs go one way for manoeuvrability and warships the other for speed.


We looked at numerous types of warships and dry dock pictures and found there was
NO set rotation of the props!
We even found sister ships with different prop rotation....


Unless you find a picture of the props of the tiger then go with whatever suits!
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 25, 2019, 07:22:29 PM
Chris
If it helps any we were discussing prop rotation on Sunday....
As people say tugs go one way for manoeuvrability and warships the other for speed.


We looked at numerous types of warships and dry dock pictures and found there was
NO set rotation of the props!
We even found sister ships with different prop rotation....


Unless you find a picture of the props of the tiger then go with whatever suits!

HI Ginger cheers for your answer an exscuse me for askin but are you the Ginger that's friends with BrianC ?
CHRIS
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: gingyer on June 25, 2019, 07:53:42 PM
Yip  :-))


And it was myself and brianC looking at the prop
Stuff on Sunday  %)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 25, 2019, 08:38:14 PM
Yip  :-))


And it was myself and brianC looking at the prop
Stuff on Sunday  %)

OH ok Ginger nice to know you  guys still into model ships as I hav'nt heard much of your warships wkends now dont they happen now ? an have you still got that big white SS CANBBERA
any way my best regards to you an could you please give my best to BrianC  please tell him I remember the nice chat we had at wicksteed all those yrs ago as I hav'nt forgotten as I really enjoyed talkin about the models to him just makes me wonder where all the time has gone
chris

Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: gingyer on June 25, 2019, 08:52:27 PM
hi Chris,
we still build models and Brian pops on here from time to time...


the warship weekend has been put on pause with refurbishment to the park etc ongoing but we hope to solve that
relatively soon.


the canberra was sold on to a couple of guys who done it up, I was jumping  about the country so couldn't get it done  ok2
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 25, 2019, 09:09:46 PM
hi Chris,
we still build models and Brian pops on here from time to time...


the warship weekend has been put on pause with refurbishment to the park etc ongoing but we hope to solve that
relatively soon.


the canberra was sold on to a couple of guys who done it up, I was jumping  about the country so couldn't get it done  ok2

OK Ginger hope you follow my tiger build but it will be a while before any more posts as ive got to finish off building my hull an such as f/g an sanding an that's gonna take a few months that's the part I hate but got to be done so i'll get stuck in an have you got a build goin on here ?
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 26, 2019, 12:05:08 PM

A TEST PIC OF MY HMS NORFOLK in 1/72 scale all a sea
https://ibb.co/BgyfbMQ
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on June 26, 2019, 12:11:11 PM
A TEST PIC OF MY HMS NORFOLK in 1/72 scale all a sea
https://ibb.co/BgyfbMQ (https://ibb.co/BgyfbMQ)
chris


(https://i.ibb.co/2jvFx4C/P1020169.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 26, 2019, 12:17:54 PM

Cheers Andy for bringin up pic  this Norfolk pic came as as I was tryin to up load pics to the forum but again I just got the link  I don't know maybe its my flamein pc ? or me ?
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on June 26, 2019, 12:28:19 PM
Not your PC mate. I've sent you a message  :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 19, 2019, 06:36:36 PM

HI all well ive been busy on the build for the last month or so tryin to build that weid shaped stern on tiger refit an its been a real devil to build as my plans are 3mm out so ive had to keep splittin the difernce on measurements. But I think I beaten it an built it still a bit on the rough side until its F/G an filler applieded an then sanded down so still a lot more to do on her before I can say hull built but im getting there
AN in the 1st pic a plan shot of what ive been tryin to build over the last month
https://ibb.co/ssbNBKS
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on July 19, 2019, 06:44:23 PM
HI all well ive been busy on the build for the last month or so tryin to build that weid shaped stern on tiger refit an its been a real devil to build as my plans are 3mm out so ive had to keep splittin the difernce on measurements. But I think I beaten it an built it still a bit on the rough side until its F/G an filler applieded an then sanded down so still a lot more to do on her before I can say hull built but im getting there
AN in the 1st pic a plan shot of what ive been tryin to build over the last month
https://ibb.co/ssbNBKS (https://ibb.co/ssbNBKS)


(https://i.ibb.co/nQ6YW72/IMG-4599.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 19, 2019, 06:47:10 PM

A SHOT of the raised back which will be the hangar an flight deck hull frames these have been added on to the normal hull frames

https://ibb.co/nmStjL6 (https://ibb.co/nmStjL6)   an hi Andy cheers for bein on the ball to bring up pics
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 19, 2019, 06:56:45 PM

Here a shot of the rear stern that's been causein me all that trouble tryin to get it to look right
https://ibb.co/JvHhGzY
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 19, 2019, 07:02:58 PM

A side view shot of it an im reasonbley pleased with how its turning out as I struggled with this
https://ibb.co/V2LvGxR
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 19, 2019, 07:08:51 PM

IN this pic all the rear hull frames will have to be cut out again to allow for the appertures cutouts to be cut into the hull an its a very tight space to fi
t in the rudder
https://ibb.co/z7YbVv3
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 19, 2019, 07:12:49 PM


An in the last linkpic a shot of all the rear hull frames an all these will have to be cut out after F/G  :-)) 
https://ibb.co/5Yc3LqQ
CHRIS
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 23, 2019, 08:00:45 PM

HI ALL well on the build im now at the stage of givin her a light sandin  out side to remove all the rough edges on the hull an ive also fitted the bow formers to give it the nice sweepin curve up to the bow
https://ibb.co/J27GRJ4

Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 23, 2019, 08:03:05 PM

STILL sandin the hull an its comin to look something like it should :-))
https://ibb.co/ctcn8Bq
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 23, 2019, 08:04:21 PM

HULL shot strb side
https://ibb.co/y52L1qh
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 23, 2019, 08:07:36 PM

An port side an the weird shape of this ship can now be seen better
https://ibb.co/P9Fxbf8
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 23, 2019, 08:09:15 PM

AN she's now beginning to look big
https://ibb.co/Vm1bncc
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Capt Podge on July 23, 2019, 08:09:54 PM
She's definitely taking shape now and looking like it's going to be a cracker - looking forward to your future updates.  :-)


Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 23, 2019, 08:13:07 PM

https://ibb.co/YLNK5r6
more when I get that far
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 23, 2019, 08:25:53 PM
She's definitely taking shape now and looking like it's going to be a cracker - looking forward to your future updates.  :-)


Regards,
Ray.

HI Ray  yes she' on the way an hopefully will be a cracker but there's still a lot that can go wrong as I think im at that point of thinking how to precceed for the best but just got to think before I act an thanks for your intrest
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on July 24, 2019, 10:11:41 AM
STILL sandin the hull an its comin to look something like it should :-))
https://ibb.co/ctcn8Bq (https://ibb.co/ctcn8Bq)
(https://i.ibb.co/vmxndF9/IMG-4613.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on July 24, 2019, 10:12:48 AM
AN she's now beginning to look big
https://ibb.co/Vm1bncc (https://ibb.co/Vm1bncc)


(https://i.ibb.co/2N9RV11/P1020308.jpg)


(https://i.ibb.co/7Vh75Kg/P1020309.jpg)


(https://i.ibb.co/ZYGdwkC/IMG-4615.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 24, 2019, 10:22:04 AM

Many thanks  andy  for bringin up pics wish I could do it but this bloomin windows 10 is so complicatiated for me
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on July 27, 2019, 09:39:33 PM
(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/07/27/Tiger-class.jpg)
(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/07/27/IMG_1823.jpg)
(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/07/27/IMG_1821.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 28, 2019, 09:14:44 AM

COR CHEERS Bob  super info picture many thanks :-)) :-)) :-)) im very impressed what a picture wow is it ok to print this picture off  so I can frame it an put it on show for people to see info about the model an the real ship when I put her on display ?.An I only hope I can do justice to this model as its provein very hard to get the hull curves right an some I don't think I can but will see when I F/G her . An im goin to have to go off scale a bit im afraid as Im thinkin of fittin in the hull a bow thruster at the front of the hull as this hull so big the wind catches her very easy  an on our pond when it get busy I will need it for station keepin or I will end up hitting other models an I don't want that.I had to do the same with my Nimitz carrier an it was a blessin to control her easysily  an Bob if poss could you find out which way that radar goes left to right back an forth or up an down  as I would like to get it right I know I wont need it for a fair while but if I see the units to make the radar move how it should do then I can buy the bits


Chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on July 28, 2019, 11:36:33 AM
Chris
No prob printing it as it is an RN publicity picture, donít forget that it is Blake though
Consensus is that radar is fixed and looking at drawings can see no mech for anything. Defo does not rotate, no room


Bob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 28, 2019, 12:44:14 PM
Chris
No prob printing it as it is an RN publicity picture, don’t forget that it is Blake though
Consensus is that radar is fixed and looking at drawings can see no mech for anything. Defo does not rotate, no room


Bob

GREAT stuff on the pic  thanks Bob as I will fit it in a nice gold or silver frame  in front of her when on display an I will point out that its blake but as you said they are practicaly twins so no worries on that. But got to build her first I have been today grinding out the hull frames right where the apertures will be a noisey an smelly job but that's been done  usein my Dremel. Now nxt step today is fit in a hard balsa mount  1/2 " thick for the rudder to be  drilled out an mounted on then one day nxt wk it will be F/G time aaaaaaawwwwwaa  NOT LOOKIN FORWARD TO THAT but got to be done.An Bob lookin at my plans an your hull picturs of your tiger  as I have been studyin  them  I see that you hav'nt got on YOUR hull as much armour plate  as my plans show did the R/N remove some at one time ? an regards the radar well I think I wil make it rock from the sides just to make the model more intrestin again cheers for info no doubt i'll be askin again as the model progesses so don't go away  ;) :-)) :-)) :-)) all best
chris
 
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: D108 on July 28, 2019, 01:43:38 PM
The 278 radar was a height finder is, it would be put on the bearing of the contact in question and then dish would rotate up and down to find the height .
So It did not rotate 360 constantly like a search radar . The same radar was also fitted to the RN county class .
Paul
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Netleyned on July 28, 2019, 01:54:59 PM
Fitted to the Battle Class Conversions and
The Cathedral Class AD Frigates.
I used to sleep in the 278 office on
Llandaff when we short of space.
Ned.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on July 28, 2019, 02:04:33 PM
Chris
My hull has the amount of side armour as per the plans so it might be the angle of the image


Bob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 28, 2019, 04:51:16 PM
Chris
My hull has the amount of side armour as per the plans so it might be the angle of the image


Bob

YES you could be right Bob or my plan could be wrong ?
Fitted to the Battle Class Conversions and
The Cathedral Class AD Frigates.
I used to sleep in the 278 office on
Llandaff when we short of space.
Ned.
HI Ned so you strung your hammock up in there then ?
The 278 radar was a height finder is, it would be put on the bearing of the contact in question and then dish would rotate up and down to find the height .
So It did not rotate 360 constantly like a search radar . The same radar was also fitted to the RN county class .
Paul
AN HI Paul cheers for the info on the 278 radar so it rocked up an down well I think when the time comes I can make it do that on a piston drive an Paul have you any idea if it was a fast rocking motion or slow ?
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on July 28, 2019, 05:53:18 PM

Tiger crew say not rocking but adjustable for angle as required
As for armour here is a shot of the armour plate on my hull, hope you can see both green tapes showing length of it, fits in with both Jecobin and admiralty drawings


Bob
(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/07/28/IMG_4869.jpg)


Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 28, 2019, 06:18:06 PM

HI Bob well my plan must be wrong as it shows more armour plate at the stern end below a linkpic of my plan an yes I see where your armour plate is on your hull thanks well I think I might leave it off an just fit it where yours is
https://ibb.co/ssbNBKS
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 28, 2019, 08:41:13 PM

An three more piclinks of the armour belt Bob it seems to go nearly the whole ship length an these are all follow after each  other along the hull  up till the midship
https://ibb.co/mb6H26m


Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 28, 2019, 08:44:19 PM
https://ibb.co/RC6Z3gq
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 28, 2019, 08:49:20 PM

AN MIDSHIPS
https://ibb.co/d0xPtXV
so can you see now Bob on my plan  how much more armour belt there is then on your hull  if im lookin at this right  but like I say my plan may be wrong
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 28, 2019, 08:59:33 PM

HI again Bob would you mind postin a pic of the tiger badge I see in a frame below your hull please
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on July 28, 2019, 09:02:43 PM
Can do later tonight also the real ship showing the armour
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 28, 2019, 09:17:40 PM
Can do later tonight also the real ship showing the armour

OK Bob youre a star cheers i'll have look in the morning  as soon be time to hit the sack as my missus went up at 8pm as we are up every morn at 4-30 to take her to work
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on July 28, 2019, 10:36:59 PM

Chris looking at the ship and remembering from close up at water level, and looking at my plans I have never seen that rectangular piece before, mine looks shorter at the green tap forward marked edge of main armour belt, it then reduces in height till it would agree with your plans.  aft does the same and ends just by second cutout.


Some images I hope might help  The model shots is the official model of Tiger.. I have two editions of Jecobin plans and neither show it, it could be armour to be added but never was,  the drawings for Victorious are like that, heaps of lets add this but in the end never added.  My belt nearly covers the whole length and the other bit on your plans would be visible on waterline


Bob(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/07/28/IMG_4870.jpg)
(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/07/28/Scan0066.jpg)
(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/07/28/IMG_4871.jpg)
(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/07/28/port-557.jpg)
(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/07/28/port-548.jpg)
(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/07/28/1407420.jpg)



Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 29, 2019, 10:09:47 AM

 HI again Bob it looks like my plans are wrong  <*< >>:-( an you are right  :-)) NOT GOOD CONSIDERING THE AMOUNT OF MONEY I PAID FOR THE PLANS   well you live an learn normaly the hard way >:-o .  But  many thanks  :-)) on that again you are a star  :-)) well that's a relief  as I don't now have to build an fit the bloomin armour belt in them postions on the hull.So what I can see of it the A-belt  starts at front on hull just below the start of the bridge an finishes just before the second aperture or cutout  judgein by your green tape marks  so that's what  I will do an build it like that .Just as well I jionded this forum an met you as you've been really helpful an saved me a lot of work regards that A-belt an I cannot thank you enough for you help regards that radar as well an the execlent  tiger badge great stuff cheers I know I wont need them for a fair while but ive found out that in this model  building game from  building my past models  get as much info as possible while you can as it might not be there later an I should think you are the same Bob many thanks
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 29, 2019, 10:31:40 AM

Another question Bob while I think of it why is there so many hand rails around the stern ?
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on July 29, 2019, 10:44:17 AM
Flight deck or quarter deck?
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 29, 2019, 10:58:53 AM
Flight deck or quarter deck?
Another question Bob while I think of it why is there so many hand rails around the stern ?
chris

WELL on the stern hull sides  nr 1/4 deck an flight deck ? or are these hand rails fitted for the hull painters ? but if that's the case why no hand rails on the rest of the length of the hull ?
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on July 29, 2019, 01:35:04 PM

Chris ah I see what you mean now I can look at images, assuming you mean the verticals, to be honest I have no idea and have tried for years to discover but to no avail so far.


Bob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 29, 2019, 03:02:08 PM
Chris ah I see what you mean now I can look at images, assuming you mean the verticals, to be honest I have no idea and have tried for years to discover but to no avail so far.


Bob

Well Bob I think the vertical hand rails are for the hull painters as if you think about it  as the hull curves outward as it goes upward   ive seen pics of sailors hangin over the hull edge in tiny chairs from ropes paintin the hull  an they can use the handrails to pull themselves closer to the hull when not much to do like a punishment put onto jankers I think the term is as that the punishment terms in the RAF don't know about navy though an when I worked as a civvie up at RAF COLTISHALL it was  unless anyone eles knows different ?
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 09, 2019, 09:50:34 AM

HI all well the tiger build continues
an here a couple shots of the bow  as I wanted to make the bow very strong in case she hits the concrete sides of our pond so I fitted light wheigth balsa wood in the openins an then I pourded resin in to make it strong
linkpic
https://ibb.co/3hFfbXn
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 09, 2019, 09:52:42 AM
https://ibb.co/Gn3wTg7
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on August 09, 2019, 09:54:46 AM
HI all well the tiger build continues
an here a couple shots of the bow  as I wanted to make the bow very strong in case she hits the concrete sides of our pond so I fitted light wheigth balsa wood in the openins an then I poured resin in to make it strong
linkpic
https://ibb.co/3hFfbXn (https://ibb.co/3hFfbXn)


(https://i.ibb.co/s3154SZ/IMG-4627.jpg)


(https://i.ibb.co/pbrDyC2/IMG-4628.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 09, 2019, 10:00:13 AM

Here in this pic  im nr finished firber glassin inside  the bow section  an oh how I hated doin that F/G as its a horrible smelly job >>:-( but all F/G done now thank goodness just the last bit of matin to fit
https://ibb.co/CbVqMQv (https://ibb.co/CbVqMQv)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 09, 2019, 10:02:43 AM

HI Andy nice to see you are on the ball cheers
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on August 09, 2019, 10:05:58 AM
Here in this pic  im nr finished firber glassin inside  the bow section  an oh how I hated doin that F/G as its a horrible smelly job >>:-( but all F/G done now thank goodness just the last bit of matin to fit
https://ibb.co/CbVqMQv (https://ibb.co/CbVqMQv)


(https://i.ibb.co/D9wN8Qk/IMG-4629.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on August 09, 2019, 10:07:07 AM
HI Andy nice to see you are on the ball cheers
chris
Sometimes I never log out so it sometimes only looks like I'm here when I'm not  {-)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 09, 2019, 10:09:49 AM

Here a couple of pics of the stern section bein F/G
https://ibb.co/w0HfPq5 (https://ibb.co/w0HfPq5)
https://ibb.co/3CXbnWR (https://ibb.co/3CXbnWR)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 09, 2019, 10:20:36 AM

An bow section finished regards F/G an matin all trimed off
https://ibb.co/Vwpx9TN
an rear section done
https://ibb.co/rpKNQ33
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 09, 2019, 10:28:09 AM

Shes now begining to look like a ship as she is now all sanded down now ive got to do the tedious bit of findin an fillin any low aera's in hull
 an dimples then more sandin but she's comin on
https://ibb.co/Vm3hhPC
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on August 09, 2019, 10:30:45 AM
Here a couple of pics of the stern section bein F/G
https://ibb.co/w0HfPq5 (https://ibb.co/w0HfPq5)
https://ibb.co/3CXbnWR (https://ibb.co/3CXbnWR)


(https://i.ibb.co/qyGvc8T/IMG-4635.jpg)


(https://i.ibb.co/fxRWstD/IMG-4636.jpg)



Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on August 09, 2019, 10:31:42 AM
An bow section finished regards F/G an matin all trimed off
https://ibb.co/Vwpx9TN (https://ibb.co/Vwpx9TN)
an rear section done
https://ibb.co/rpKNQ33 (https://ibb.co/rpKNQ33)


(https://i.ibb.co/J3FqtHd/IMG-4641.jpg)


(https://i.ibb.co/wQZjd77/IMG-4650.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 09, 2019, 10:32:16 AM

An jumpin the gun a bit while I had the hull togeather I thought that I draw around it an mark out the deck so its ready to be cut out when im that far ahead
well that all for now
chris
https://ibb.co/VMYMGBL (https://ibb.co/VMYMGBL)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on August 09, 2019, 10:32:22 AM
Shes now begining to look like a ship as she is now all sanded down now ive got to do the tedious bit of findin an fillin any low aera's in hull
 an dimples then more sandin but she's comin on
https://ibb.co/Vm3hhPC (https://ibb.co/Vm3hhPC)


(https://i.ibb.co/GTF11bM/IMG-4647.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on August 09, 2019, 10:32:50 AM
An jumpin the gun a bit while I had the hull togeather I thought that I draw around it an mark out the deck so its ready to be cut out when im that far ahead
well that all for now
chris
https://ibb.co/VMYMGBL (https://ibb.co/VMYMGBL)


(https://i.ibb.co/dk4kvKf/IMG-4653.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 09, 2019, 10:43:54 AM

OH BOY cheers Andy very nice of you to post pics for me much appreciated :-)) all best till the nxt time
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Akira on August 09, 2019, 12:59:30 PM
I hope this is not considered dumb or rude, but regarding the "armour" plating referenced in the preceding photo. 1) For armour plating, why is it mounted so high on the hull? All other capital ships I've seen mount armour just above to well below the waterline. In fact in the photo, it appears to be mounted above what I would "assume" to be her armoured deck. 2) The photo shows that this plating is dished to much the same degree as the hull plating which leads me to believe that it is 1) soft steel, 2) not hardened plate.
To me this appears much more like hull strengthening strakes, very similar to those applied to Japanese cruisers and destroyers following the Fleet incident that showed up the longitudinal weakness of their design.
I realize that this is, in a way a moot point. The real point being to add detail to the hull, which will look fantastic, so please bear with my inquiring mind.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 09, 2019, 02:36:41 PM
I hope this is not considered dumb or rude, but regarding the "armour" plating referenced in the preceding photo. 1) For armour plating, why is it mounted so high on the hull? All other capital ships I've seen mount armour just above to well below the waterline. In fact in the photo, it appears to be mounted above what I would "assume" to be her armoured deck. 2) The photo shows that this plating is dished to much the same degree as the hull plating which leads me to believe that it is 1) soft steel, 2) not hardened plate.
To me this appears much more like hull strengthening strakes, very similar to those applied to Japanese cruisers and destroyers following the Fleet incident that showed up the longitudinal weakness of their design.
I realize that this is, in a way a moot point. The real point being to add detail to the hull, which will look fantastic, so please bear with my inquiring mind.

 
HI Akira  well from what  Ive seen so far the armour  plateing is a lot  thicker an as you say at the W/L an below an that's what my plan shows. But from phot;s  of the real ship its different so I think I will go with my plans  on that many thanks for your intrest
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Akira on August 09, 2019, 06:01:04 PM
Hi Chris, I agree. Go with your plan. There is a nice photo of Tiger as completed, circa 1959, on pgs 294-295 of "British Cruisers, Two World Wars and After" by Norman Friedman. It shows her belt rather clearly. If you send me an e-mail address, I' try to scan them and send them to you, if you like.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 09, 2019, 06:52:28 PM
Hi Chris, I agree. Go with your plan. There is a nice photo of Tiger as completed, circa 1959, on pgs 294-295 of "British Cruisers, Two World Wars and After" by Norman Friedman. It shows her belt rather clearly. If you send me an e-mail address, I' try to scan them and send them to you, if you like.

HI   Akira  gmail sent
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Akira on August 09, 2019, 07:37:44 PM
Chris, On their way.Jonathan
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 15, 2019, 07:11:52 PM

HI ALL
the build continuses in the first pic ive just finished paintin the hull sandin sealer an sanded it all down boy what a job an the pong
https://ibb.co/r7y08ZH
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 15, 2019, 07:14:54 PM

here im now getting ready to spray the rear section in grey primer
https://ibb.co/5LzLVWC
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 15, 2019, 07:16:38 PM

An now well under way sprayin
https://ibb.co/3ptGcQB
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 15, 2019, 07:17:47 PM
https://ibb.co/r61R2b0
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 15, 2019, 07:21:48 PM

AN done an its come up better than I expected :-)) as the primer will show up any little cracks so to fill an sand down   :-)
https://ibb.co/jyDjGbF
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 15, 2019, 07:23:20 PM

Now the front section
https://ibb.co/HVYT7YZ
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 15, 2019, 07:27:22 PM

AN  "xxxxx" >>:-( im nr out of paint I thought a 500ml spray would go further that this  >>:-( <*< only half done
https://ibb.co/L51n4dF (https://ibb.co/L51n4dF)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 15, 2019, 07:34:51 PM

AN yes I did run out of primer >>:-( will have to go an get some more tomorrow an had to stand them in the shed as swmbo said youre not bringin that smelly paint indoors so i'll proberlly sleep with it in the shed tonight  :-)) %) lol {-)
https://ibb.co/2hV1nGc
chris

Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on August 18, 2019, 04:03:09 PM



Which images do you refer to? I can find none that have "dished" in plates apart from the normal ships plating, the armour belt defo does not have that feature at all. Also if you look at KGV class the armour comes up same as Tigers.


Bob
I hope this is not considered dumb or rude, but regarding the "armour" plating referenced in the preceding photo. 1) For armour plating, why is it mounted so high on the hull? All other capital ships I've seen mount armour just above to well below the waterline. In fact in the photo, it appears to be mounted above what I would "assume" to be her armoured deck. 2) The photo shows that this plating is dished to much the same degree as the hull plating which leads me to believe that it is 1) soft steel, 2) not hardened plate.
To me this appears much more like hull strengthening strakes, very similar to those applied to Japanese cruisers and destroyers following the Fleet incident that showed up the longitudinal weakness of their design.
I realize that this is, in a way a moot point. The real point being to add detail to the hull, which will look fantastic, so please bear with my inquiring mind.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on August 18, 2019, 04:49:56 PM
HI ALL
the build continuses in the first pic ive just finished paintin the hull sandin sealer an sanded it all down boy what a job an the pong
https://ibb.co/r7y08ZH (https://ibb.co/r7y08ZH)


(https://i.ibb.co/LkpRjC1/IMG-4656.jpg)


(https://i.ibb.co/GR1RjvG/IMG-4658.jpg)


(https://i.ibb.co/CbxNQDh/IMG-4659.jpg)


(https://i.ibb.co/BZS5243/IMG-4660.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on August 18, 2019, 04:53:08 PM
AN done an its come up better than I expected :-)) as the primer will show up any little cracks so to fill an sand down   :-)
https://ibb.co/jyDjGbF (https://ibb.co/jyDjGbF)


(https://i.ibb.co/x16rGXQ/IMG-4661.jpg)


(https://i.ibb.co/R9PT2P8/IMG-4662.jpg)


(https://i.ibb.co/BNBq82p/IMG-4663.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 18, 2019, 05:20:12 PM

Cheers Andy for pics upload  :-))
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 18, 2019, 05:22:49 PM

Bob PM sent regards pics of the deck  recess
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on August 18, 2019, 05:41:42 PM

Chris
Hope these explain it for you, took me a couple of goes to get it right  :} :}


Bob


(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/08/18/Scan0062.jpg)
(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/08/18/Scan0053.jpg)
(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/08/18/port-137.jpg)
(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/08/18/port-552.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 18, 2019, 05:59:47 PM

HI Bob many thanks you the man yes you've hit the nail on the head they are just the pics I was lookin for :-)) . As on my plans there are so many line' s running into one another its a night mare >>:-( <*< an im used to big plan after building my Nimitz carrier but I think this tiger build is  harder an more complex . An it looks like im gonna have to cut the hull side to allow the boats recess cheers an its gonna be a devil  >>:-( to try an do a 45/degree bevel on the armour plate belt will see how it goes all best  :-))
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 18, 2019, 06:07:47 PM

AN  Bob lookin at the pics yourve just posted it helps me to clayifiy the armour belt better  :-))
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: raflaunches on August 18, 2019, 06:28:24 PM
Nice work Chris. :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 18, 2019, 06:44:56 PM
Nice work Chris. :-))

Cheers   nick
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 19, 2019, 12:36:40 PM

HI Bob well ive just laid the armour belt on the hull dead where it should go regards the hull joint does it look about right ? as this is how it shows on my plans
an im now goin to take the a/belt out into shed to sand the edges of it to 45/degress this  is the starboard side
chris
https://ibb.co/StC0bnM (https://ibb.co/StC0bnM)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 19, 2019, 12:40:20 PM

An port side
https://ibb.co/tsn7nrs
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 19, 2019, 12:45:54 PM

AN here a shot of the A/BELT on the HULL JOINT an I think it looks about right Bob from lookin at your pictures an guys please exscuse the messy carpet as we have got a pure white cat called snowball an as fast as jen hovers up snowball is hellbent on messin it up again with her hairs >>:-(
chris
https://ibb.co/hRMZNgb (https://ibb.co/hRMZNgb)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 19, 2019, 01:02:23 PM

The culprit >>:-( LOL but we wont be without her as she is a dear pet an good company
https://ibb.co/svbfBq1 (https://ibb.co/svbfBq1)
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on August 19, 2019, 01:13:11 PM
HI Bob well ive just laid the armour belt on the hull dead where it should go regards the hull joint does it look about right ? as this is how it shows on my plans
an im now goin to take the a/belt out into shed to sand the edges of it to 45/degress this  is the starboard side
chris
https://ibb.co/StC0bnM (https://ibb.co/StC0bnM)


(https://i.ibb.co/tqrcgsv/IMG-4667.jpg)
and port side
(https://i.ibb.co/G2GKGS2/IMG-4668.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on August 19, 2019, 01:15:00 PM
AN here a shot of the A/BELT on the HULL JOINT an I think it looks about right Bob from lookin at your pictures an guys please exscuse the messy carpet as we have got a pure white cat called snowball an as fast as jen hovers up snowball is hellbent on messin it up again with her hairs >>:-(
chris
https://ibb.co/hRMZNgb (https://ibb.co/hRMZNgb)


(https://i.ibb.co/0jXFLnT/IMG-4669.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on August 19, 2019, 01:15:37 PM
The culprit >>:-( LOL but we wont be without her as she is a dear pet an good company
https://ibb.co/svbfBq1 (https://ibb.co/svbfBq1)
chris
(https://i.ibb.co/8DNCh9x/IMG-4558.jpg)



Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 19, 2019, 01:28:55 PM

I'LL  keep sayin this but cheers Andy for pics upload  much appreicaited
chris :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on August 19, 2019, 01:33:24 PM
I'LL  keep sayin this but cheers Andy for pics upload  much appreicaited
chris :-))


I know it goes against the grain Chris but no need  :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 19, 2019, 01:40:16 PM

OK THANKS Andy :-)) but if someone helps me I always like to say thank you but ok when you post pics in future I/ll just leave it at that ok
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on August 19, 2019, 03:16:38 PM

Yep looks about right, and if you have it from the plans should be fine, as you have the images to relate to as well.


Bob


AN here a shot of the A/BELT on the HULL JOINT an I think it looks about right Bob from lookin at your pictures an guys please exscuse the messy carpet as we have got a pure white cat called snowball an as fast as jen hovers up snowball is hellbent on messin it up again with her hairs >>:-(
chris
https://ibb.co/hRMZNgb (https://ibb.co/hRMZNgb)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 19, 2019, 05:35:45 PM
Yep looks about right, and if you have it from the plans should be fine, as you have the images to relate to as well.


Bob



HI Bob well now I got your blessing on the armour belt  {-) :-)) I can carry on with the build  but seriously you know a lot more about the ship than I do an you sayin it looks ok   means a lot to me as it means to me that im heading in the right direction .But im soon goona have to go off scale for a while as I want to fit a bow thruster in her I know the real ship dint have one but needs must as this big hull ig gonna catch the wind
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 23, 2019, 05:20:31 PM

HI GUYS
another small update
an still tryin to fit the armour  belt  on her an its provein very tricky here ive taped it all down to the hull to see if it will pull tight into the hull contours without leavein gaps
https://ibb.co/FD7qtRx


Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 23, 2019, 05:25:35 PM

in this pic im now starting to glue the A/BELT to the hull an this must go on dead right or the rear belt will not match up then I will be right in it
https://ibb.co/r4z7Zfn
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 23, 2019, 05:29:43 PM

Lookin at the top of the a/belt an you can see how much its got to be forced down onto the hull to glue about  half an inch not good but hopefully it will pull in
https://ibb.co/GC666pm
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 23, 2019, 05:32:57 PM

Anyway  got to leave it for a day or so now for glue to go off  an my bow thruster came today an it looks the business
https://ibb.co/3sPqxsW
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 23, 2019, 05:34:55 PM

Exsploded view of it just got to hope it will do the job
https://ibb.co/4jWMVpX
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 23, 2019, 05:37:16 PM

An all put back togeather  ready to be installed in hull
https://ibb.co/d0pSBBp
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on August 23, 2019, 05:42:54 PM
HI GUYS
another small update
an still tryin to fit the armour  belt  on her an its provein very tricky here ive taped it all down to the hull to see if it will pull tight into the hull contours without leavein gaps
https://ibb.co/FD7qtRx (https://ibb.co/FD7qtRx)
(https://i.ibb.co/x758QxC/IMG-4670.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on August 23, 2019, 05:43:35 PM
in this pic im now starting to glue the A/BELT to the hull an this must go on dead right or the rear belt will not match up then I will be right in it
https://ibb.co/r4z7Zfn (https://ibb.co/r4z7Zfn)


(https://i.ibb.co/Gc8xV3g/IMG-4671.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on August 23, 2019, 05:44:08 PM
Lookin at the top of the a/belt an you can see how much its got to be forced down onto the hull to glue about  half an inch not good but hopefully it will pull in
https://ibb.co/GC666pm (https://ibb.co/GC666pm)


(https://i.ibb.co/r5jjj09/IMG-4672.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on August 23, 2019, 05:44:51 PM
Anyway  got to leave it for a day or so now for glue to go off  an my bow thruster came today an it looks the business
https://ibb.co/3sPqxsW (https://ibb.co/3sPqxsW)


(https://i.ibb.co/H29sc2Y/IMG-4673.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on August 23, 2019, 05:45:21 PM
Exsploded view of it just got to hope it will do the job
https://ibb.co/4jWMVpX (https://ibb.co/4jWMVpX)


(https://i.ibb.co/nDrfLjY/IMG-4674.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on August 23, 2019, 05:45:50 PM
An all put back togeather  ready to be installed in hull
https://ibb.co/d0pSBBp (https://ibb.co/d0pSBBp)


(https://i.ibb.co/QFHZ99H/IMG-4675.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 30, 2019, 09:30:33 AM

HI Bob could i ask you a favour could you please put up the rest of the ships interior like you did with the stern section please like below
https://ibb.co/HVZcyqp  LINK PICTURE
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on August 30, 2019, 10:07:33 AM
HI Bob could i ask you a favour could you please put up the rest of the ships interior like you did with the stern section please like below
https://ibb.co/HVZcyqp (https://ibb.co/HVZcyqp)  LINK PICTURE
chris
(https://i.ibb.co/drZNvDJ/IMG-1821.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on August 30, 2019, 10:29:08 AM

Chris
Hope these are of use, note the original funnel layout


Bob


(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/08/30/IMG_1824.jpg)
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(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/08/30/IMG_1818.jpg)
(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/08/30/IMG_1815.jpg)
(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/08/30/IMG_1817.jpg)
(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/08/30/IMG_1816.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 30, 2019, 10:53:36 AM

Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 30, 2019, 11:27:23 AM

HI again Bob I hope you don't mind me asking this question but if you do please ignore it but where did  you buy the turret gearing and motor mount in pic as I know I'm a long way from needing it but I always like to look ahead on things I might need
all best chris
https://ibb.co/0cyjGP5 (https://ibb.co/0cyjGP5)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on August 30, 2019, 11:55:50 AM

Chris
The bits came from a dead Hen Long tank, but due to the new turret, that system has now gone, all I have now is the barbette which is obviously hollow with a servo fixed underneath and a shaft fitted to a servo arm which was trimmed so it was a force fit into a plastic tube, this is located into the the turret roof, this allows easy removal if required, the servo is fitted with a turret servo control from model radio workshop, this little device allows you to traverse and when you let go of the stick the turret stays in that location, it also gives you more left and right arcs and you can set servo speed as well, all in all it works fine.  Next time I drag her out I will do happy snaps for you


Bob

Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 30, 2019, 03:16:32 PM

OK Bob cheers i'll look forward to that  :-)) and I have just finished fitting all four bits of the armour belt on my tiger 's hull. Cor took some doing to bend it to the hull curves  >>:-( took a little over two wks  to fit them but I enjoyed the challenge and now I can have a rest an be pleased with myself as I'm pooped (phew)
chris :-)) NXT fitting the bow thruster then the portholes 
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 03, 2019, 06:50:06 PM

HI ALL
just a small update to say the build continues and after much steaming to bend  the 3mm armour belt on all four bits are fitted to the hull contours took me two wks and I would not want to do that again in a hurry (phew)

linkpic
https://ibb.co/sWZJRW7 (https://ibb.co/sWZJRW7)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 03, 2019, 06:58:43 PM

and I drew out the apertures from the plans and now ready to cut them out
https://ibb.co/wLS6DbJ (https://ibb.co/wLS6DbJ)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 03, 2019, 07:02:17 PM

And cutout now for the hard work of filing them out so they are nice and straight and rounded corners  <:(
https://ibb.co/VT388PH (https://ibb.co/VT388PH)
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on September 03, 2019, 08:16:51 PM
HI ALL
just a small update to say the build continues and after much steamind to bend  the 3mm armour belt on all four bits are fitted to the hull contours took me two wks and I would not want to do that again in a hurry (phew)

linkpic
https://ibb.co/sWZJRW7 (https://ibb.co/sWZJRW7)


(https://i.ibb.co/Y0xTQ0g/IMG-4689.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on September 03, 2019, 08:17:22 PM
and I drew out the apertures from the plans and now ready to cut them out
https://ibb.co/wLS6DbJ (https://ibb.co/wLS6DbJ)


(https://i.ibb.co/n07khV3/IMG-4683.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on September 03, 2019, 08:17:49 PM
And cutout now for the hard work of filing them out so they are nice and straight and rounded corners  <:(
https://ibb.co/VT388PH (https://ibb.co/VT388PH)
chris


(https://i.ibb.co/hVCvvtX/IMG-4688.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: ballastanksian on September 03, 2019, 09:24:50 PM

After being away for a bit I come back and see what brilliant progress you have made on the hull Chris! SWMBO didn't look impressed when you took images of the hull upright. It is possible she isn't a Cruiser fan? Perhaps more interested in Destroyers??



Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: madrob on September 03, 2019, 11:34:08 PM
making good progress chris...


did you ever hear anything off bry?
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: RST on September 04, 2019, 12:28:47 AM
Pics!!!

Go to your "ibb ...bla bla page".  Click on "embed codes" to the right of "about" under where it says "Frogman2" under the pic, click on "BBC code", 2 or 3 options down, right click, and "save" then....

"Paste" conveniently...  Also, you need a new "g" and "d" buttons on your keyboard LoL!  Never seen it done that way before with pics, usually you just use the "image" button, and paste the link in the pop-up box but whatever, below seems to work perfectly and very easily if it helps for pics on further posts....


(https://i.ibb.co/Rc7WWVh/IMG-4688.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VT388PH)


I've never seen such a contrived image link above (without pic on the original post so I can see the links) for a forum before, but nevermind, it seems to work easy-peasy! (edit, apart from overcoming the "mayhem auto re-arranging format" on posts LoL).


Looks a cracking build anyway, if I can ever add that comment to this post ("A" WYSIWYG thing doesn't always work!)!
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 04, 2019, 11:00:48 AM

HI RST
firstly you made me laugh at your blog but I'll explain why it's happening like this as first I'm not very good on computers as getting on in yrs and second I live in a low megabyte area an my pc won't upload very well and it's very slow at that. And Andy has very kindly said he would upload pics for me if I can put up the image link and that's what's been happening and will have to do if I want to show the tiger build
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 04, 2019, 11:13:27 AM
making good progress chris...


did you ever hear anything off bry?



HI Rob  hope you are well an glad you like the build but this has so far been a very challenging build due to the hull shape at the stern  an this makes  my Nimitz carrier build like a walk in the park but im getting there an no not heard any thing from bry im afraid
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 04, 2019, 11:29:40 AM
After being away for a bit I come back and see what brilliant progress you have made on the hull Chris! SWMBO didn't look impressed when you took images of the hull upright. It is possible she isn't a Cruiser fan? Perhaps more interested in Destroyers??



HI Ballastanksian  thanks for your brilliant comment  :-)) on my hull progress but it's been so far a hard build due to the hull shapes and contours. As been steaming the wood so to bend but I have enjoyed the challenge of the build as this will be my last big build due to health and age (get out the violins  :} ) lol an regards SWMBO she's not smiling in the pics as she has got cancer an not very happy. But she has her good days so just got to make the best of things ain't we and keep plodding along
Chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 23, 2019, 02:34:54 PM

HI ALL
just a small update to show that the build is still happening an not stalled
now fittin in the bowthruster
https://ibb.co/sJHmHD5
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on September 23, 2019, 02:38:06 PM
HI ALL
just a small update to show that the build is still happening an not stalled
now fittin in the bowthruster
https://ibb.co/sJHmHD5 (https://ibb.co/sJHmHD5)


(https://i.ibb.co/mF8D8Yv/IMG-4692.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 23, 2019, 02:39:02 PM

AN fitted an have cut off the bowthrusters tubes to the correct hull length an sanded down nice an smooth
https://ibb.co/L6ZrYzp (https://ibb.co/L6ZrYzp)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on September 23, 2019, 02:40:24 PM
AN fitted an have cut off the bowthrusters tubes to the correct hull length an sanded down nice an smooth
https://ibb.co/L6ZrYzp (https://ibb.co/L6ZrYzp)


(https://i.ibb.co/2PkSW7K/IMG-4703.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 23, 2019, 02:43:44 PM

HERE the bowthruster mountin can be seen all firber glassed into the hull ready to accept the motor
https://ibb.co/mzmchkv (https://ibb.co/mzmchkv)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on September 23, 2019, 02:50:22 PM
HERE the bowthruster mountin can be seen all firber glassed into the hull ready to accept the motor
https://ibb.co/mzmchkv (https://ibb.co/mzmchkv)


(https://i.ibb.co/w6TzpVJ/IMG-4704.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 23, 2019, 02:53:08 PM

AN still on the hull (god don't think i'll ever get off this hull blimey been a heck of a lot of work >>:-( ) an ive just filed out all the apertures so they are nice an straight but later on there will be a lip fitted to all edges
https://ibb.co/2nnckny (https://ibb.co/2nnckny)

Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 23, 2019, 02:58:45 PM

AN for a change I thought id get the quarter deck cut out an just fitted in to see how it looks but  its got to come out again so I can fit the rudder an stabilizer's push rods  in whenever that will be
 https://ibb.co/p0dvMtk
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on September 23, 2019, 03:00:49 PM
AN still on the hull (god don't think i'll ever get off this hull blimey been a heck of a lot of work >>:-( ) an ive just filed out all the apertures so they are nice an straight but later on there will be a lip fitted to all edges
https://ibb.co/2nnckny (https://ibb.co/2nnckny)


(https://i.ibb.co/TvvPgvk/IMG-4705.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on September 23, 2019, 03:01:15 PM
AN for a change I thought id get the quarter deck cut out an just fitted in to see how it looks but  its got to come out again so I can fit the rudder an stabilizer's push rods  in whenever that will be
 https://ibb.co/p0dvMtk (https://ibb.co/p0dvMtk)


(https://i.ibb.co/3rcyjDP/IMG-4706.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 12, 2019, 07:32:23 PM

HI all well time for a small update on the build
an I have spent a bit of dosh on her for a few things that she's gonna need
https://ibb.co/rH6CpvR
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 12, 2019, 07:35:52 PM

HERE I have made an fitted all 8 bilge keels
https://ibb.co/YbfSpKn
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 12, 2019, 07:37:33 PM

Doin a test fit of the prop sharfts
https://ibb.co/m6xV3LG
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 12, 2019, 07:40:16 PM

A angle shot of the sharfts an the bilgle keel can also be seen
https://ibb.co/sVcXfC5
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 12, 2019, 07:43:00 PM

here I have just laid the johnsons motors in side the hull to see if the fit in between the hull frames ok an they do
https://ibb.co/dcdgzVn
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 12, 2019, 07:45:55 PM

An a test of the rudder come stabilizer as these will be cut down an made into stabs later on in the build
https://ibb.co/yyJGRZ3
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 12, 2019, 07:47:47 PM

A shot from the bottom
https://ibb.co/MsVgJsK
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 12, 2019, 07:50:35 PM

an inside the hull shot of the mountings as later on they will be cut down to the correct size to make sure there is enough room for the main drive batt
https://ibb.co/m9wS2ZC
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on October 12, 2019, 10:35:00 PM

coming on nicely, I notice you have a large exposed keel, why is that ?


Bob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 13, 2019, 09:21:39 AM
coming on nicely, I notice you have a large exposed keel, why is that ?


Bob

HI Bob yes im pleased with how the build is comin so far without any major problems an regards the large exsposed keel well. When I scartchbuild a ship hull I always think when finshed she maybe top heavy no matter how light the materials used to build S/S an such so the large keel is a half an inch deep an I can fit a half x a half inch  metal counter balance wheight at its furthest point on the hull to counter any anti rolling of the ship.An it looks ok nice an neat not a big ugly blob of lead  as in my time ive seen several people make that mistake on new ships an seen them roll right over an sink.Plus as this hull is not a F/G hull as they are stronger as you well know the bigger keel is more stronger to take the wheight of the big batts an such  how' that for an esplaination ?
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 25, 2019, 06:57:08 PM

HI GUYS time for an update on whats happening on her

an I have been busy makin up the 6 stabilizer's  from small rudders
piclink
https://ibb.co/2MypXmC
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 25, 2019, 07:02:46 PM

A shot of two fitted into hull to see if they will move ok an they do
https://ibb.co/59NgT07
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 25, 2019, 07:05:34 PM

both sections done all 6 stabs fitted
https://ibb.co/WFH9rD4
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 25, 2019, 07:09:08 PM

HERE the stabs are fitted but they all will have to come out again so I can fill them with resin for strength an then to be sandin sealed an then sanded down so they look nice
https://ibb.co/5v6gzDR
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 25, 2019, 07:11:30 PM

Next job makein up 4 A FRAMES  for the prop sharfts
Chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 26, 2019, 11:58:47 AM

HI Bob when you built your 1/96 tiger did you have much trouble fitting in the A FRAMES ? as my plans are miles out the top elevation an the side elevation an the rear are all up to 6mm out of alinement an its givin me a bloomin headacke  >>:-( as nothin lines up. <*< So I suppose i'll have to split the difference ? yea  id apprecait a reply if you can please  an its the curveature of the hull also givin problems tryin to get the mearsuments
right but I will do it as I like a challenge but if you give me any advice it would be most helpful 
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on October 26, 2019, 04:21:43 PM

No problems at all Chris, apart from the normal making sure all alignment is correct, I have attached couple images showing mine, remember that the prop shaft length if to short will make the exit angle to steep, hence CVA-01 has shaft two foot long to sit right, and they run really quiet. 
Hope the shots help if not shout out.


Bob


(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/10/26/IMG_4464.jpg)
(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/10/26/IMG_4463.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 26, 2019, 06:34:11 PM

Cheers for the reply Bob an I know your tiger is 1/96 scale an I see you have very short sharfts  as on my plans I have had to  fit 16" inner sharfts an 15" outer sharfts to keep the props level an not pointing down  an on my plans it show the sharft length that comes out of the hull at 6" but what im havin probs with is the angle of the A FRAME on one sheet it shows the frames are angled nearly flat to the hull an then on another it shows the frame nr upright nr like yours so I think I will follow your design an cheers for posting the pics  :-))
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 26, 2019, 06:53:44 PM

HI again Bob my main concern is wheather the outer props stick out further than the hull itself so do they ? a pic from the rear would be most helpful cheers
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on October 27, 2019, 11:09:22 AM

Chris hope these clarify it for you, the drawing if I recall shows stern view and the amount of splay out of props.


Bob
(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/10/27/IMG_5111-Edited.jpg)
(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/10/27/IMG_5109-Edited.jpg)
(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/10/27/IMG_5107-Edited.jpg)
(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/10/27/IMG_5106-Edited.jpg)
(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/10/27/IMG_5108-Edited.jpg)


Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 27, 2019, 02:33:23 PM

Cor Cheers Bob just the pics  that I wanted to help me  with fittin in my prop sharfts
these pics will be of imence help you have made me a happy bunny . As now I can now ignore my plans as they show 3 different layouts regards the angle of the A -FRAMES  as it was sendin me round the bend with frustration  >>:-( <*< tryin to fit them an they just dint look right  many thanks much appreciated an is it ok if I download them ?
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on October 27, 2019, 02:59:26 PM

glad they helped, feel free to download




Bob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 27, 2019, 04:46:34 PM

Cheers Bob  :-))
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 01, 2019, 09:38:47 AM

Small update on whats happenining on her
have made up the 4 A-FRAMES to hold her sharfts in place
https://ibb.co/SKjgr1F
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 01, 2019, 09:42:21 AM

An made up a template to fit to the hull that will hold her props sharfts in place while I fit in the motors
https://ibb.co/0hLcPgj
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 01, 2019, 09:45:31 AM
https://ibb.co/rfgSJM4
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 01, 2019, 09:46:42 AM
https://ibb.co/9y1DNsG
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 01, 2019, 09:50:34 AM

Here a shot inside the hull to see if I can get the motors fitted an sharfts aligned correctly so far just the inner rear two sharfts
https://ibb.co/SQD4N4F
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 01, 2019, 09:56:31 AM

A pic from the stern at the props an they are lined up nicely now to fit the other motor an then glass in the A-FRAMES mounts an the sharfts tubes to the hull
chris
https://ibb.co/MG9yYTq
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 08, 2019, 09:42:11 PM

HI ROB47
 HI  Bob can you remember on tiger we was talkin about that small radar on the back of the  main mast whaether it rotated or such as I wanted to make it work well a friend of mine who lives in Portsmouth  told me about that radar is shown rotateing on utube so I can get it workin on my tiger after all
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on November 08, 2019, 10:04:08 PM
Chris
Not convinced as it would useless to fully rotate as most of it would face the mainmast. I still think the 278 was nodding dog type like itís predecc and possibly limited traverse. Itís role is height finding


Bob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 08, 2019, 10:34:12 PM
Chris
Not convinced as it would useless to fully rotate as most of it would face the mainmast. I still think the 278 was nodding dog type like itís predecc and possibly limited traverse. Itís role is height finding


Bob

[/quote
 HI again Bob well the one shown on the utube was on a county class   an its on utube call county class ship of the future an to me it looks the same radar but I could be wrong an you right will try an find out more in my spare time
all best to you  :-))
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 09, 2019, 10:33:42 AM

HI all time for a small update
ive been an still am tryin to fit all 4 prop sharfts tubes  in their right position's if poss
its been a heck of a job as its difficult to measure on this hull due to the hull curvature
but I think im getting there
1st linkpic I have made a cardboard template up an when it was the correct shape I transfferded it to wood as much stronger to hold the outer sharfts in place
https://ibb.co/vZLGLKM
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 09, 2019, 10:35:40 AM
https://ibb.co/3WGpfsp
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 09, 2019, 10:43:16 AM

An I think I have managed to get the motors in the right places as the sharfts  have to go right to the motor spindle they will be slighty more angled then if I had some cambelt drive motor mounts an MFA don't make them anymore not unless somebody can tell me different
https://ibb.co/613ncKd
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 09, 2019, 10:51:38 AM

Close up shot of  S/S  prop tubes an sharfts nr right by the plans but im thinkin the plans may be a guide only as they show two different A- frame angles but these angles are the only ones that will fit the hull so onwards an upwards
https://ibb.co/FVWkfSv
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 09, 2019, 10:53:51 AM

An a overall shot of the stern section
https://ibb.co/643jL63
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 09, 2019, 11:09:41 AM

An ive left about 3/8th of an inch between the props tips an the hull side just in case I need or want to fit bigger props on her as its a big hull
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: derekwarner on November 09, 2019, 11:16:21 AM
Chris.......are you intending to install 'outby', or 'inby' rotating [turning] propellers?


If you look carefully at post #246, you will see  %)   the prop rotation differs between the various images shown :-X

Derek
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 09, 2019, 12:53:47 PM
Chris.......are you intending to install 'outby', or 'inby' rotating [turning] propellers?


If you look carefully at post #246, you will see  %)   the prop rotation differs between the various images shown :-X

Derek



HI Derek  im hopein to have them turning inwards as hopefully it will give more prop thrust on the big rudder an hope she will turn quicker as I don't want to hit other peoples boats. An the reason you see the props different in the pics  was I just put the props on the sharfts to measure the distance between the props tips an hull as it has been difficult to get the sharfts alignment right how I want them an I must have had them in an out about 20 times as I  a bit fussy an it niggles me if im not happy with it ive been told I worry to much but that's just me
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on November 11, 2019, 10:45:18 PM
Chris
I have the definitive answer for the 278 Radar
It does NOT rotate 360 degrees for the reason I mentioned about it facing the main mast. What it does do is traverse between set arcs left and right
Info from radar tech HMS Blake same layout as Tiger
Hope this helps


Bob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 12, 2019, 09:04:59 AM
Chris
I have the definitive answer for the 278 Radar
It does NOT rotate 360 degrees for the reason I mentioned about it facing the main mast. What it does do is traverse between set arcs left and right
Info from radar tech HMS Blake same layout as Tiger
Hope this helps


Bob



HI Bob so simply put the radar moves just from left to right an right to left. So how big my main mast is all I need to make out of very tiny gears an tiny ball joint is a piston affair so as the main sharft that turns the big radar on the top the piston unit will traverse the 278 from left to right an back again an so on cheers an many thanks you've made me a happy man  :-)) as I like to try an get things reasonable right as when I built my HMS CAMBELTOWN F86 type 22 frigate in 1/72 scale .I had a  R/N picture of the ship an the crew what were out on the decks wore black trousers an yellow wind breakers an I  painted my crew figures like this an as I was sailin her up Norwich pond when a gent came over an said you have got that wrong m8 he said we wear whites an shorts as he had just left the ship in malta an flew home .But he dint take into account that the R/N pic I had modelled on was in cold wheather which I pointed out to him an he just walked away leaveing us all quite miffed at the pond funny ole world isn't it
all best chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on November 12, 2019, 10:24:30 AM

Chris
Yes "experts" can be amusing, once had a guy tell me that there were several ships in the Tiger class other than the three that were built, sometimes you have to bite your tongue.


Bob
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Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 12, 2019, 10:46:20 AM
Chris
Yes "experts" can be amusing, once had a guy tell me that there were several ships in the Tiger class other than the three that were built, sometimes you have to bite your tongue.


Bob
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YEA you right there Bob just got to try an be diplomatatic an as you say bite your tongue
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 14, 2019, 02:35:41 PM

HI all just another small update
ive been tryin to fit in the hull  the four prop tubes come sharfts  an its been a devil to do as all the hull curves have made it very awkward to get the measurements right >>:-( <*< in this piclink I have been maskin up all the prop tubes holes in the hull so that I can pour in resin to hold the tubes in place
https://ibb.co/qpbzHT5
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 14, 2019, 02:39:21 PM

An here inside the hull I have fitted plastercine dams to hold the resin in place just got to hope they don't leak
https://ibb.co/pXrsr2t
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 14, 2019, 02:42:26 PM

I have laid the hull fairly level at an angle so that as I pour in the resin it wont run everywhere
https://ibb.co/q59Gk11
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 14, 2019, 02:46:44 PM

An it worked out lovley all sharft tubes in ok an A-FRAMES all line up ok
https://ibb.co/C8qFCRX
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 14, 2019, 02:49:48 PM
https://ibb.co/9hnRQb0
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 14, 2019, 02:52:32 PM

all that remains now on this bit of the build is to sand down any rough edges
https://ibb.co/7jwbq9R
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 14, 2019, 02:55:34 PM

THE right way up to see the sharfts tubes on the port side
https://ibb.co/ZLw5Ljh
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 14, 2019, 02:57:48 PM

an im fairly pleased with how its turning out a starb side shot
https://ibb.co/s1p6sJB
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 14, 2019, 03:02:40 PM

here a shot of the motors layout just got to hope these motors will be powerfull enough to propel her on the pond
 %) chris
https://ibb.co/VV3KGRM
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on November 26, 2019, 01:08:25 PM

Chris hope these are of use


Bob


(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/11/26/Tiger-circa-1976-012.jpg)
(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/11/26/Scan0070.jpg)
(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/11/26/port-1043.jpg)
(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/11/26/port-1042.jpg)
(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/11/26/port-140.jpg)
(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/11/26/port-1041.jpg)
(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/11/26/port-547.jpg)
(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/11/26/port-053.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 26, 2019, 07:03:00 PM

OH CHEERS Bob yes they just what I wanted  :-)) as ive been studyin the plans on the bridge S/S  an I understand them better now an with the pics you have put up  I'll be able to manage  now many thanks an much appreciated  :-))
all best chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 04, 2019, 09:41:24 AM

HI Bob yea ive found out what you mean on nav  lights very strange to have them on the deck level as they are not shown on my plans thank you
chris :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 15, 2020, 10:00:05 AM

HI ALL
a few more pic links of how the build is goin an in the 1st pic ive just laid on the deck on the hull to mark out where things are gonna be
https://ibb.co/c17cK4v
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 15, 2020, 10:06:02 AM

Here ive cut out the deck access hatches an the outer deck edges which will be gluded  down onto the hull
https://ibb.co/p0Yj02F
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 15, 2020, 10:09:05 AM

AN here the deck edges are all gluded down onto the hull
https://ibb.co/fnqRJD0
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 15, 2020, 10:12:56 AM

AN now here just fittin in the main deck panles to see if they fit ok an they did an I have also fitted the ones in the bow
https://ibb.co/TL14w3w
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 15, 2020, 10:18:08 AM

AN ive also got to the point where I had to think an do fittin in the hull joint the main electric plug an the low voltage 44 pin eletric plug to power servos an other electrical units
https://ibb.co/b79G0H8
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 15, 2020, 10:21:22 AM

here ive solded all the wires onto the 44 pins electric plug (phew ) both of them
https://ibb.co/7zrH0fk
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 15, 2020, 10:23:47 AM

AN here both plugs an wirein harness will now be packed away till I need them
https://ibb.co/5F3PR5s
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 15, 2020, 10:26:12 AM

Next now starting on the S/S under the small  3"gun turret
https://ibb.co/2Fm7P94
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on January 15, 2020, 11:06:16 AM

taking shape Chris and looking good


Bob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Chris67 on January 18, 2020, 05:36:37 PM

What a hell of a job !!! :-)) :-)) %% %%
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 18, 2020, 10:35:10 PM
What a hell of a job !!! :-)) :-)) %% %%



THANK you Chris67  yes this has been a hell of a build but a lot more still to come when fittin in workin features thank you for lookin in at the build an your intrest  :-)) 
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: derekwarner on January 18, 2020, 11:35:46 PM
Yes Chris, an excellent build.......[just digressing, the ratio of Officers to Enlisted Sailors appears a little heavily weighted]


7 Officers  %)  observing or supervising 6 Enlisted Sailors??

Derek
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 19, 2020, 12:53:06 PM
Yes Chris, an excellent build.......[just digressing, the ratio of Officers to Enlisted Sailors appears a little heavily weighted]


7 Officers  %)  observing or supervising 6 Enlisted Sailors??


Derek


HI Derek well that's what the pic show perhaps the officers dint have a lot to do ?
an thank you for your kind comments on my tiger build still a heck of a lot to build though but im enjoyin it
chris

Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on January 19, 2020, 01:41:14 PM





Derek
Would suggest that some are PO's and or Chiefs, can only see rings on two of the group


Bob
Yes Chris, an excellent build.......[just digressing, the ratio of Officers to Enlisted Sailors appears a little heavily weighted]


7 Officers  %)  observing or supervising 6 Enlisted Sailors??

Derek
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: derekwarner on January 19, 2020, 09:39:32 PM
Well.....of course your fair call Rob.....however I did not state 'Commissioned'  Officers...certainly a different ratio to any RAS or Person transfer I have seen with our RAN


Derek
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 26, 2020, 08:15:31 PM
HI ALL
another small update
ive built the small S/S where the "3 gun turret will be on an this can be lifted off for access into the hull

(https://i.ibb.co/cxj4QzC/IMG-4925.jpg)
https://ibb.co/DLZ0Q38
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 26, 2020, 08:17:57 PM
HERE im now starting to build the main bridge S/S

(https://i.ibb.co/52BTvkY/IMG-4938.jpg)

https://ibb.co/8X6M2bz
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 26, 2020, 08:20:16 PM
CLOSE UP SHOT of the main power 25 pins electric plugs to bring power to the bridge

(https://i.ibb.co/Y79b9PS/IMG-4939.jpg)
https://ibb.co/gM161m8
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 26, 2020, 08:22:32 PM
An all the wires fitted

(https://i.ibb.co/dmJpQX3/IMG-4945.jpg)
https://ibb.co/cYX8NRp
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 26, 2020, 08:24:32 PM
An it all fitted lovely to the deck

(https://i.ibb.co/kG0YQq2/IMG-4946.jpg)
https://ibb.co/VLDX2MY
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 26, 2020, 08:28:06 PM
Frontal shot an its beginning to look like it should do  :-)) but still a lot more to do

(http://jhttps://i.ibb.co/PG0VXsY/IMG-4947.jpg)
https://ibb.co/CKDSCpt
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on January 27, 2020, 10:32:59 AM

looking good Chris, reaching that stage when it starts to look like a ship rather than a pile of wood and fibreglass.




Bob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 27, 2020, 01:07:58 PM
looking good Chris, reaching that stage when it starts to look like a ship rather than a pile of wood and fibreglass.




Bob

HI Bob yea you are right  its comin on great the build is im really lookin forward to building the main bridge S/S which im now startin  an thank you for putting on my pics cheers
chris :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on January 27, 2020, 02:37:44 PM

Chris


google "Navy gets Tiger" good to see if you not seen it


Bob





Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 27, 2020, 05:51:59 PM

HI Bob can you put up a link to this as ive typed in google an put it in but no joy may be as im in a low megabyte area thanks
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on January 27, 2020, 08:22:05 PM

Chris all you needed to type was Navy gets Tiger, just tried it and it comes up straight away






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujoT_3XUp5M





Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 27, 2020, 08:41:21 PM

OH THANKS Bob had a look on your link as it wont come up how you said through google but the link worked lovely  many thanks but it was certainly a quick utube wasn't it but it was great to see tiger' s guns firein great stuff
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 03, 2020, 07:32:10 PM

HI GUYS
well a little more done on then bridge S/S ive fitted over cross members to take on the 01 deck
https://ibb.co/4Z0qKVf
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 03, 2020, 07:44:13 PM

Here building the front part of the bridge as this has to be strong as I want to have the bridge sections lift off an back on in case any light pack up in the bridge
https://ibb.co/pjPWM2C
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 03, 2020, 07:46:24 PM

AN 01 deck covered an now for 02 deck to be built
https://ibb.co/1TqsYhP
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on February 04, 2020, 02:16:53 PM

taking shape Chris, nice to see the different approaches we have used in building the same vessel


Bob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 04, 2020, 04:47:12 PM
taking shape Chris, nice to see the different approaches we have used in building the same vessel


Bob

HI Bob yea she's comin on an yes we all do things differently don't we
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 28, 2020, 07:23:37 PM

HI ALL a small update on what build state is now here ive done some of the wirein on 01 deck
https://ibb.co/cJ47MJk
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 28, 2020, 07:26:14 PM

an built 02 deck  S/S an fitted in the uptake wirein
https://ibb.co/sWZTWxr
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 28, 2020, 07:28:12 PM

02 deck cut out an just laid on to see if it looks right
https://ibb.co/Fs0m95S
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 28, 2020, 07:29:56 PM

what she looks like so far
https://ibb.co/Jd8VS5R
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 28, 2020, 07:31:49 PM

02 deck wirein fitted in
https://ibb.co/fdJGhGK
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 28, 2020, 07:34:17 PM

here ive just built the lower bridge windows will be drawn on an cut out later in the build
https://ibb.co/B40SVDp
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 28, 2020, 07:35:31 PM

front veiw
https://ibb.co/6rQVQCd
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 28, 2020, 07:38:04 PM

here the bridge has been fitted with its roof an floor for the top bridge
https://ibb.co/mHnV5f0
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 28, 2020, 07:42:02 PM

Well lower bridge is built an fitted but the bridges will be made to be removeable in case say a bridge light packs up or the glass comes loose now to build the top bridge
https://ibb.co/0jYgwqM


Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on March 05, 2020, 10:19:28 AM

Chris
Hope this image help, its very straightforward, if you go onto the warship R&D there is a drawing of similar set up and a link for the transistor.


Bob
(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2020/03/05/IMG_5484.jpg)






Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 05, 2020, 07:14:24 PM

OK cheers Bob i'll have a look
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 15, 2020, 12:32:44 PM
Chris
Hope this image help, its very straightforward, if you go onto the warship R&D there is a drawing of similar set up and a link for the transistor.


Bob
(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2020/03/05/IMG_5484.jpg)



HI Bob could you show me where in r/d as Ive looked an cannot find it can you give me a link to it ? please
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on March 15, 2020, 04:42:01 PM

Chris
got to warship r&d, look for title "anyone recognise this component", scroll down and there is a circuit plan


Bob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 15, 2020, 07:39:28 PM
Chris
got to warship r&d, look for title "anyone recognise this component", scroll down and there is a circuit plan


Bob



CHEERS Bob yes ive now found it many thanks
chis
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: RST on March 15, 2020, 08:36:28 PM
Does that work in fresh water please?


Rich
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 15, 2020, 11:03:09 PM

yes I think it does as far as I know
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: derekwarner on March 16, 2020, 03:45:27 AM
If you needed to increase the salinity/conductivity of any bilge water whilst running in a fresh water river, creek or inland dam etc, you could always sprinkle a teaspoon of fine or ground Table Salt into the lower bilge area where any water could collect

The fresh water on contact with the fine salt powder would near immediately alter the di-electric potential of this water & so activate the water level switch function

A little light reading........courtesy of Google

https://www.researchgate.net/post/Why_dielectric_constant_both_real_img_increases_with_salt_concentration_in_aqueous_solution_in_THz_frequency_region (https://www.researchgate.net/post/Why_dielectric_constant_both_real_img_increases_with_salt_concentration_in_aqueous_solution_in_THz_frequency_region)


Derek 
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 24, 2020, 10:30:55 AM

HI ALL update time on the build well I was thinkin I will fit some W/T doors on her with small hinges so I can open them as I want to fit in lights an some detail in the compartments
https://ibb.co/q0sKMXv
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 24, 2020, 10:34:35 AM

an doors fitted on ok
https://ibb.co/hZ0XPW1
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 24, 2020, 10:35:52 AM

an in the open postion
https://ibb.co/KctTVv3
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 24, 2020, 10:41:15 AM

here back to the bridges electric power plugs ive fitted tiny modualar connecters to take power up to the bridges for lights an such but first them main wires to take the power from the main wirein they are thw small  white wires
https://ibb.co/c1yjZQH
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 24, 2020, 10:44:41 AM

an a pic of the mainpower  uptake plug 4 pin fitted in S/S for the bridges to plug into
https://ibb.co/cgQNFfR
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 24, 2020, 10:48:37 AM

next the  plug fitted to the bottom bridge this has two lots of wires conneted one lot for the btidge lightgs an the other goin up to another female plug to take power to the top bridge
https://ibb.co/xG3x09w
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 24, 2020, 10:59:59 AM

here a shot of the bottom bridge fitted with the power uptake plug goin to the top bridge I have made them like this so I can remove both bridges from the 02 S/S to fit in the glass an lights an such after paint sprayin in the comin months when warmer wheather
https://ibb.co/ftTTLJn
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 24, 2020, 11:01:48 AM

an the top bridge fitted with its power plug
https://ibb.co/59nyDK0
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 24, 2020, 11:03:49 AM

underside shot of 02 deck an bridge fitted to it
https://ibb.co/wC3hcQn


Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 24, 2020, 11:10:02 AM

an all the wires in the 02 DECK will work say things like radar motors an floodlights an anti collishion lights an steamin lights on the mast an intertior lights  in S/S as I want to fit again opening doors with small corridors with a sailor or two standin in there
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 24, 2020, 11:13:28 AM

carryin on with the power plugs shot of the main bottom bridge fitted with all its wirein
to the S/S
https://ibb.co/09kGgyJ
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 24, 2020, 11:15:19 AM

TOP bridge fitted on now as well
https://ibb.co/71myw2g
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 24, 2020, 11:18:58 AM

an last shot for today of the bottom an top bridges all fitted on with all the wirein in an ive tested it all with a circuit tester an all power wires work fine  :-))


https://ibb.co/4ZZDm32
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Weaver on April 17, 2020, 05:16:58 PM
Hi There! Sorry to butt in: I found this thread while I was researching the Tiger class to improve a Shipbucket profile and Google Images took me to some of the gorgeous model shots herein. This is great project! I can't even begin to imagine building a 1/72nd warship: I can barely avoid losing motivation in the middle of a 1/72nd tank!

Anyway, I wanted to chip in my twopenn'th on the Type 278 height-finding radar controversy. I agree that it makes sense that it wouldn't just rotate all the time and would be specifically pointed at targets, however, there's film that proves otherwise. If you look at this Pathť News video on Youtube of HMS Glamorgan, you can quite clearly see the 278 rotating continuously through 360 degrees. Now whether it did that all the time, or whether it sometimes stopped to height-find a target I couldn't say.

The video is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7sv9ODO-YU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7sv9ODO-YU)
If the link doesn't work for some reason, the exact title is: HMS Glamorgan - Computer Ship Of The Future (1967)

The 278 bits start at about the 4 minute mark, but the whole thing's only 7 minutes long and hilariously dated so watch the whole thing for a laugh!

Good luck with the Tiger build!  :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 17, 2020, 08:04:05 PM
Hi There! Sorry to butt in: I found this thread while I was researching the Tiger class to improve a Shipbucket profile and Google Images took me to some of the gorgeous model shots herein. This is great project! I can't even begin to imagine building a 1/72nd warship: I can barely avoid losing motivation in the middle of a 1/72nd tank!

Anyway, I wanted to chip in my twopenn'th on the Type 278 height-finding radar controversy. I agree that it makes sense that it wouldn't just rotate all the time and would be specifically pointed at targets, however, there's film that proves otherwise. If you look at this Pathť News video on Youtube of HMS Glamorgan, you can quite clearly see the 278 rotating continuously through 360. Now whether it did that all the time, or whether it sometimes stopped to height-find a target I couldn't say.

The video is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7sv9ODO-YU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7sv9ODO-YU)
If the link doesn't work for some reason, the exact title is: HMS Glamorgan - Computer Ship Of The Future (1967)

The 278 bits start at about the 4 minute mark, but the whole thing's only 7 minutes long and hilariously dated so watch the whole thing for a laugh!

Good luck with the Tiger build!  :-))



HI 
Weaver MANY  THANKS for your post an don't worry about butt in  an yes ive seen this vid before when I was talkin to Bob about it as a friend who lives in portsmoth  sent me the same vid an yes again it does show the 278 radar rotatein through 360  degrees an I think you are right it proberly does that an when it finds a target then it stops an does height findin but at the moment im a long way from getting that built so i'll sort that when I come to it  but thanks for droppin in on my thread an hope to see you on here again an I will soon post some more piclinks in a day or so as they are all in the camera just got to resize them an load them onto imgbb then i'll load onto site if you want t see the latest pics an many thanks for your kind comments an glad you like the build  :-))
ATB STAY SAFE chris
stay safe
ATB chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on April 17, 2020, 08:19:11 PM

Same radar different mounts for two totally different ships, the data and info I have passed on comes from the guys who served on Tiger


Bob


Hi There! Sorry to butt in: I found this thread while I was researching the Tiger class to improve a Shipbucket profile and Google Images took me to some of the gorgeous model shots herein. This is great project! I can't even begin to imagine building a 1/72nd warship: I can barely avoid losing motivation in the middle of a 1/72nd tank!

Anyway, I wanted to chip in my twopenn'th on the Type 278 height-finding radar controversy. I agree that it makes sense that it wouldn't just rotate all the time and would be specifically pointed at targets, however, there's film that proves otherwise. If you look at this Pathť News video on Youtube of HMS Glamorgan, you can quite clearly see the 278 rotating continuously through 360 degrees. Now whether it did that all the time, or whether it sometimes stopped to height-find a target I couldn't say.

The video is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7sv9ODO-YU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7sv9ODO-YU)
If the link doesn't work for some reason, the exact title is: HMS Glamorgan - Computer Ship Of The Future (1967)

The 278 bits start at about the 4 minute mark, but the whole thing's only 7 minutes long and hilariously dated so watch the whole thing for a laugh!

Good luck with the Tiger build!  :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 17, 2020, 08:33:59 PM
Same radar different mounts for two totally different ships, the data and info I have passed on comes from the guys who served on Tiger


Bob



HI Bob well ok how do you think I should model it ?  no disrespect to you intended as you know more about the ship  than me remember im just the modeler an I was postin my build on another forum an an bloke comes onto my tiger thread sayin ive got all my bridge S/S to far forward an I told him that its right by the plans an he also said that ive got the armour plate wrong as well so from what ive been told tiger was in the ship yard a long time bein built so maybe they made changes to the ship over the time of the build  an nice to see you Bob ATB STAY SAFE  Chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 18, 2020, 09:29:34 AM
HI all a small update on where the model is now an whats happening on her
AS we have had good warm wheather I have took her out to the garage an sprayed her overall grey primer to show up all the  little holes an cracks where I have joined the deck to the hull
a couple of shots at different angles
https://ibb.co/XbmrGwH (https://ibb.co/XbmrGwH)
 
 

(https://i.ibb.co/7X7d09h/IMG-5163.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 18, 2020, 09:31:12 AM
https://ibb.co/GM2d4XZ (https://ibb.co/GM2d4XZ)
 
 (https://i.ibb.co/94TpkJx/IMG-5164.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 18, 2020, 09:37:30 AM
An now a pic of both sections sprayed in grey primer for the bow section again to show any imperfections in the hull  as when my filler turns up by postie I can get on an get the hull nice an level  an sorry about the bad pic as I dint think about the light from the window
https://ibb.co/RbWK2Qk (https://ibb.co/RbWK2Qk)
 
 



(https://i.ibb.co/kBFTKqs/IMG-5168.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 18, 2020, 09:41:57 AM
AN these turned up by postie yesterday an they are the mini led strip lights for the hanger that im now building an the 9v batt plug will be cut off an the leds will be wired into the ships wirein
https://ibb.co/gvn87PF (https://ibb.co/gvn87PF)
 
 



(https://i.ibb.co/tZd6hxP/IMG-5167.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 18, 2020, 09:47:05 AM
AN lit up but to me they look to bright so I will fit a unit in to cut down the power from 9v down to say 7.5 v an see how that looks if still to bright then turn down the power a bit more to say 6v until im happy with the brightness in the hanger bay
https://ibb.co/NnqfxQK (https://ibb.co/NnqfxQK)
 
 

(https://i.ibb.co/2YrRqmd/IMG-5166.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 18, 2020, 09:51:11 AM
AN this is the unit that will do it an its a car 12v power converter  that fits in the car cigar lighter socket
an this unit will be cut down to a smaller size as most of it I don't need
https://ibb.co/3FVnQ5F (https://ibb.co/3FVnQ5F) 
well that's it for now
 Chris  :-))
 
 (https://i.ibb.co/gWQxhbW/IMG-5169.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: JimG on April 18, 2020, 10:07:59 AM
Dimming LEDs by reducing the voltage does not work well. You might find they stop working as they go below the minimum voltage before the brightness drops enough. Dimming LEDs usually uses a pulsed power supply (why you often see them flicker with a digital video). Possibly a forward only ESC could be used for this job, it would only need to be a low current one.
Jim
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 18, 2020, 10:31:17 AM
Dimming LEDs by reducing the voltage does not work well. You might find they stop working as they go below the minimum voltage before the brightness drops enough. Dimming LEDs usually uses a pulsed power supply (why you often see them flicker with a digital video). Possibly a forward only ESC could be used for this job, it would only need to be a low current one.
Jim



HI Jim many thanks for that info on the leds  but i'll give it a try first an if you are right then i'll do like you say or fit a  heavy    resistor  to lower the brightness cheers
chris  ATB   stay safe
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Weaver on April 18, 2020, 11:01:32 AM
Same radar different mounts for two totally different ships, the data and info I have passed on comes from the guys who served on Tiger


Bob


Here's a video of a Harrier taking off from Blake, where you can see the 278 rotating through 360 deg:

https://imgur.com/gallery/HyT39TM (https://imgur.com/gallery/HyT39TM)

The link to the video came from this site, which has a great article on the Tigers, complete with lots of big, clear photos (if you download them):

https://www.navalanalyses.com/2016/08/warships-of-past-tiger-class-cruisers.html (https://www.navalanalyses.com/2016/08/warships-of-past-tiger-class-cruisers.html)


Doing a bit of reading, it seems that the 278 was a modernised version of the 277Q, which dated back to WWII, with new components to improve reliability, but working in the same way. 277 (of which 277Q was an update) was primarily an air/sea-search radar, which only started to be used in a height-finding role later. Air/sea search radars scan, by rotating 360 deg, by definition. There's a scan rate in the specs: 16rpm max. A system to stop the scanning had to be added later in order to do height finding.

There aren't many good online sources for info about radar unfortunately (at least that I've found). Wikipedia doesn't have an article on the 278, but it does have a long and well-sourced article on the 277 here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_277_radar#P_and_Q_models (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_277_radar#P_and_Q_models)

From that article:

"The Type 277 was a surface search (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_search_radar) and secondary aircraft early warning radar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_warning_radar) used by the Royal Navy and allies during World War II and the post-war era."

"The 277 used a 500 kW magnetron...   and added a plan-position indicator (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan-position_indicator) (PPI) system with several remote displays."

"The resulting system, Type 277Q, arrived too late for Project Bubbly and did not see service until the post-war era. In tests aboard HMS Illustrious in March 1947, 277Q provided reliable detection in the TI role out to 85 miles (137 km) and heightfinding to 55 miles (89 km), dramatic improvements on the 293."


The 'TI role' mentioned is Target Indication, which basically means 'air-search with enough precision to point weapon systems'.

Why would a pure height-finder use a PPI (Plan Position Indicator: the classic 'radar scope'), which is designed to show a map-style 360 deg view around the ship?


Speculation: (I have no evidence for this, it just makes sense to me) The Type 278 was mostly used as a height-finder on Tigers, so it was usually stationary. However, at times when they didn't want to use the big Type 965, for instance when close to other ships or helicopters whose crews they didn't want to fry, they swtiched the 965 off and used the 278 in it's search mode instead. I know the 965 is rotating in the video, but just because it's turning, doesn't mean it's transmitting: the Type 1010 IFF (Identify Friend or Foe) transponder is mounted on top of the 965 aerial, so that'd be reason enough to keep it going round.


ANYWAY, taking my 'obsessive geek' hat off for a minute, the object of the exercise here is to help Chris build his model, and the good news, as far as I can see, is that there isn't a wrong way to build the 278! Rotating, still, turning back and forth at random, it's all good. :-))


Stay Safe,

-Harold
 
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 18, 2020, 11:40:21 AM
ANYWAY
Taking my 'obsessive geek' hat off for a minute, the object of the exercise here is to help Chris build his model, and the good news, as far as I can see, is that there isn't a wrong way to build the 278! Rotating, still, turning back and forth at random, it's all good.
Stay Safe,

-Harold



OH WELL DONE Harold  :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) ok2 MANY THANKS  FOR YOUR HELP an that's how im gonna build it then as at the moment im now starting to build the hanger an as you have found out about that 278 radar  I will plan the build accordingly so I can fit in all the  crown gears on the main radar sharft to  to turn the 278 an to fit in the main mast  MANY MANY THANKS for that an all the pics an info which will be of immense help  an for takein the time to find out all this  :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
ATB   Chris   stay safe
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: ballastanksian on April 18, 2020, 03:10:06 PM

Sorry if I was too flippant when noticing your wife's unhappy expression. Obviously I wasn't aware of her cancer, but still, I hope she is winning the good fight with it.


The progress is astounding and looks really good.

Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 18, 2020, 05:36:49 PM
Sorry if I was too flippant when noticing your wife's unhappy expression. Obviously I wasn't aware of her cancer, but still, I hope she is winning the good fight with it.


The progress is astounding and looks really good.

Quote


That's ok an yes she is a fighter an we hope her cancer is in remission but she says she is takein it a day at a time an she has good days an bad so just got to keep on ploddin on as they say. An thank you for your kind remarks of my tiger build yes she is slowly comin on still about 4yrs building to do so im happy
ATB Chris an jen

Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on April 18, 2020, 09:25:08 PM

It looks more like ossicilating than full rotation which ties in with what I was told by rx tiger/Blake rechs


Here's a video of a Harrier taking off from Blake, where you can see the 278 rotating through 360 deg:

https://imgur.com/gallery/HyT39TM (https://imgur.com/gallery/HyT39TM)

The link to the video came from this site, which has a great article on the Tigers, complete with lots of big, clear photos (if you download them):

https://www.navalanalyses.com/2016/08/warships-of-past-tiger-class-cruisers.html (https://www.navalanalyses.com/2016/08/warships-of-past-tiger-class-cruisers.html)


Doing a bit of reading, it seems that the 278 was a modernised version of the 277Q, which dated back to WWII, with new components to improve reliability, but working in the same way. 277 (of which 277Q was an update) was primarily an air/sea-search radar, which only started to be used in a height-finding role later. Air/sea search radars scan, by rotating 360 deg, by definition. There's a scan rate in the specs: 16rpm max. A system to stop the scanning had to be added later in order to do height finding.

There aren't many good online sources for info about radar unfortunately (at least that I've found). Wikipedia doesn't have an article on the 278, but it does have a long and well-sourced article on the 277 here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_277_radar#P_and_Q_models (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_277_radar#P_and_Q_models)

From that article:

"The Type 277 was a surface search (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_search_radar) and secondary aircraft early warning radar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_warning_radar) used by the Royal Navy and allies during World War II and the post-war era."

"The 277 used a 500 kW magnetron...   and added a plan-position indicator (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan-position_indicator) (PPI) system with several remote displays."

"The resulting system, Type 277Q, arrived too late for Project Bubbly and did not see service until the post-war era. In tests aboard HMS Illustrious in March 1947, 277Q provided reliable detection in the TI role out to 85 miles (137 km) and heightfinding to 55 miles (89 km), dramatic improvements on the 293."


The 'TI role' mentioned is Target Indication, which basically means 'air-search with enough precision to point weapon systems'.

Why would a pure height-finder use a PPI (Plan Position Indicator: the classic 'radar scope'), which is designed to show a map-style 360 deg view around the ship?


Speculation: (I have no evidence for this, it just makes sense to me) The Type 278 was mostly used as a height-finder on Tigers, so it was usually stationary. However, at times when they didn't want to use the big Type 965, for instance when close to other ships or helicopters whose crews they didn't want to fry, they swtiched the 965 off and used the 278 in it's search mode instead. I know the 965 is rotating in the video, but just because it's turning, doesn't mean it's transmitting: the Type 1010 IFF (Identify Friend or Foe) transponder is mounted on top of the 965 aerial, so that'd be reason enough to keep it going round.


ANYWAY, taking my 'obsessive geek' hat off for a minute, the object of the exercise here is to help Chris build his model, and the good news, as far as I can see, is that there isn't a wrong way to build the 278! Rotating, still, turning back and forth at random, it's all good. :-))


Stay Safe,

-Harold
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 19, 2020, 07:10:00 AM
It looks more like ossicilating than full rotation which ties in with what I was told by rx tiger/Blake rechs




HI Bob sorry no disrespect 
meant to you   but ive looked at that vid several times an the radar is revolving but once it picks up a target then it may go into the ossicilating mode so that way both ways are right .
  An many thanks to you for all the help with the photos an info you have helped me with CHEERS  :-))
ATB stay safe
chris
 
 
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: ballastanksian on April 19, 2020, 11:28:15 PM



I don't see four years as a long time Chris. Like everyone, we have times where we can't stand seeing the model or something stumps us and we dabble with something else or real life knocks on the door and we have to poke at it with a broom handle.


I started my destroyer in 2014 and the Monitor in 2016. I have a foam plug I started in 2012 and other projects. I know we are not the only ones in this category, hobbyists are by their nature enthusiasts and hoarders of cool shiny things  :}


I wish your good lady well, a relative of mine recently got diagnosed with Cancer so understand a small bit of what you both are going through.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 20, 2020, 05:38:35 AM


I don't see four years as a long time Chris. Like everyone, we have times where we can't stand seeing the model or something stumps us and we dabble with something else or real life knocks on the door and we have to poke at it with a broom handle.


I started my destroyer in 2014 and the Monitor in 2016. I have a foam plug I started in 2012 and other projects. I know we are not the only ones in this category, hobbyists are by their nature enthusiasts and hoarders of cool shiny things  :}


I wish your good lady well, a relative of mine recently got diagnosed with Cancer so understand a small bit of what you both are going through.



HI
ballastanksian  yes I love long builds so 4 yrs ain't to long  like you have said  an im enjoying  the build  an thank you for your kind comments regards the wife  :-))
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Weaver on April 20, 2020, 11:29:53 AM
Just testing... ok2
(https://ibb.co/Fs0m95S)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 20, 2020, 05:52:51 PM
Just testing... ok2
(https://ibb.co/Fs0m95S)



HI Harold what are you testing ? whats there a problem ?
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Weaver on April 21, 2020, 06:50:25 AM

HI Harold what are you testing ? whats there a problem ?
chris

No problem - I was just seeing if I could show you a way to get your pics to appear in the thread, but this board's configured differently to others that I post on so I can't do it 'my' way. Then it turned out that you can't delete posts on here either, so I had to put something otherwise it'd be a mysterious blank post...
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 21, 2020, 07:35:07 AM
No problem - I was just seeing if I could show you a way to get your pics to appear in the thread, but this board's configured differently to others that I post on so I can't do it 'my' way. Then it turned out that you can't delete posts on here either, so I had to put something otherwise it'd be a mysterious blank post...



HI Harold many thanks for tryin  an ive treid  an others have treid to help but to no avale as I live in a low megabyte area an my pc just wont do it as it runs very slow but at least with the piclinks I can show the build pics an yes I would have been scratchin my head wonderin what you was goin to say so cheers for that an I wonder why you cant
delete any posts ? on here
ATB stay safe 
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 24, 2020, 09:15:24 PM
HELLO all update time
building that big hanger an here are the bits to make it already to be put togeather
https://ibb.co/PFr9CbB

(https://i.ibb.co/k5G9crY/IMG-5172.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 24, 2020, 09:17:58 PM
https://ibb.co/L8nVKw6

(https://i.ibb.co/8061k32/IMG-5174.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 24, 2020, 09:19:52 PM
Seaking in hanger
https://ibb.co/BghV7QJ

(https://i.ibb.co/tb0MNv6/IMG-5180.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 24, 2020, 09:21:35 PM
testin for height against the chopper
https://ibb.co/dK4VDqb

(https://i.ibb.co/SvwMB8Q/IMG-5181.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 24, 2020, 09:23:45 PM
halfbuilt chopper to see if it looks ok an to me it does
https://ibb.co/QXzDFCQ

(https://i.ibb.co/WsqVWP5/IMG-5182.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 24, 2020, 09:28:03 PM
overall view of hanger
today I built in all the front section will post them pics next update
https://ibb.co/RSsc0LG :-))
chris

(https://i.ibb.co/vBTkP2C/IMG-5185.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on April 24, 2020, 09:31:22 PM
Coming along well
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 30, 2020, 07:53:30 AM
Coming along well



THANKS T888
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 02, 2020, 08:07:03 AM
UPDATE
well ive built in the hanger front an built the hanger doors
https://ibb.co/Z1qFGqN

(https://i.ibb.co/VpfzJf3/IMG-5216.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 02, 2020, 08:12:44 AM
an here ive just fitted in the radar motorgear box as this must be done now an I will also fit the CPT unit as its a voltage reducer to cut down the power from 12v to 5.3v for said motor
https://ibb.co/vH0zB99

(https://i.ibb.co/jTn45tt/IMG-5228.jpg)


Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 02, 2020, 08:17:07 AM
an back to the hanger doors to get them so they will  open an close by R/C an im gonna fit two servos under the hanger floor an so I can do it slowy ive bought this handy little gadget
too work the servos slowly
https://ibb.co/NxmyLnM

(https://i.ibb.co/31MC0Yn/IMG-5264.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 02, 2020, 08:19:10 AM
pic of what ive got so far
https://ibb.co/JzLvNVW

(https://i.ibb.co/FBv592k/IMG-5231.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 02, 2020, 08:22:45 AM
now getting the H-DOORS workin ive fitted in a pushrod that will pull the h -door up an down from a servo
https://ibb.co/vJs79Ct (https://ibb.co/vJs79Ct)
(https://i.ibb.co/P5T7ksS/IMG-5256.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 02, 2020, 08:24:45 AM
front view to show the push rod goin down to the servo on the underside
https://ibb.co/JKMfRwc (https://ibb.co/JKMfRwc)
 
 
(https://i.ibb.co/jT1cvP8/IMG-5257.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 02, 2020, 08:26:47 AM
servo mounted below ready to pull the pushrod up an down on the h -door
https://ibb.co/8zyhh5n (https://ibb.co/8zyhh5n)  (https://i.ibb.co/hXGqqWx/IMG-5258.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 02, 2020, 08:29:03 AM
an it works lovely up an down
https://ibb.co/tJWbjbn# (https://ibb.co/tJWbjbn#)
 
 
(https://i.ibb.co/fxPC6CZ/IMG-5259.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 02, 2020, 08:30:42 AM
door opens ok
https://ibb.co/8gxkk07 (https://ibb.co/8gxkk07)
 
 

(https://i.ibb.co/9H4PPNr/IMG-5260.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 02, 2020, 08:31:50 AM
an now halfway to closein
https://ibb.co/5cK36Zh (https://ibb.co/5cK36Zh)
 
 

(https://i.ibb.co/DKrFtdf/IMG-5261.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 02, 2020, 08:33:16 AM
 
and shut
https://ibb.co/NKnKD8J (https://ibb.co/NKnKD8J)
 
 
(https://i.ibb.co/0rVr4g6/IMG-5262.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 02, 2020, 08:35:29 AM
 I bought a servo morphough so that hopefully it will  open an close the doors slowly https://ibb.co/mNj1CBp (https://ibb.co/mNj1CBp)
 
 

(https://i.ibb.co/BnpdVPk/IMG-5272.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 02, 2020, 08:40:06 AM
Now back to that radar motor getting this going an whoever designed the main mast well its sitting
 half on the hanger an half off so that makes it awkward to get the main radar shaft up in the front wall
https://ibb.co/fdMLrZq (https://ibb.co/fdMLrZq)
 
 
(https://i.ibb.co/SwNGVH5/IMG-5273.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 02, 2020, 08:42:19 AM
but its done
https://ibb.co/718jBqr (https://ibb.co/718jBqr)
 
 (https://i.ibb.co/1mh7BkR/IMG-5274.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 02, 2020, 08:47:31 AM
an the radar shaft built an fitted with a square brass box section as the top mast will be able to lift off so a smaller bit of box section will be fitted to it an then able to drop in the motor shaft to turn said radars
https://ibb.co/mqS88Xy (https://ibb.co/mqS88Xy)
 
 
(https://i.ibb.co/0MQttF9/IMG-5276.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 02, 2020, 08:49:34 AM
an fitted in the front wall
https://ibb.co/pfQSXsg (https://ibb.co/pfQSXsg)
 
 
(https://i.ibb.co/c6wjTpP/IMG-5284.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 02, 2020, 08:54:47 AM
Now back to that other H-DOOR an I've had to fit in a cross member to take the second  push-rod to hold it tight so that when the door is open it wont be seen
an the wire ties will be cut off when I get the other servo fitted
https://ibb.co/5KymXsH (https://ibb.co/5KymXsH)
 
 

(https://i.ibb.co/QDRL7Yw/IMG-5285.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 02, 2020, 08:56:35 AM
an it work ok
https://ibb.co/556Fv6V (https://ibb.co/556Fv6V)
 
 

(https://i.ibb.co/VvtmDt8/IMG-5287.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 02, 2020, 09:01:52 AM
an just a tester pic of three Seakings fitted in the h -bay an to me to tight a fit so I will properly fit two in the h-bay an two out on the flight-deck but will see on that but that's as far as I've got on this build bye for now  :-))
chris
https://ibb.co/r47TmLG (https://ibb.co/r47TmLG)
 
 

(https://i.ibb.co/Wgxq6dW/IMG-5289.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Martin [Admin] on June 02, 2020, 05:31:41 PM
 
( Linked photos embedded into posts - Admin )   :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 02, 2020, 06:05:51 PM

OH MANY THANKS Martin its nice to see the pics cheers for doin this wish I could but my pc is  just not up to the job as I live in a very slow megabyte area  :-))
all best chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Martin [Admin] on June 02, 2020, 08:50:09 PM
 
No problem, we're loving your build.   :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 02, 2020, 10:27:34 PM

No problem, we're loving your build.   :-))



OH THANK YOU Martin  :-)) glad you likein the build i'll post more links when Ive built some more as this is gonna be a long build cheers all best to you
stay safe
chris

Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: RST on June 02, 2020, 10:44:07 PM
I posted some instructions earlier in your build how to get pics showing on the forum from your hosting account.  It's just a tad different from what I thought was "normal" but once the first is done as I showed, just a copy and paste job.  If you can upload to imbb or whatever then it's no stress on mayhem account or your computer, actually it's better you have your own account as you have more control and it takes the heat off here as a forum rather then a pic hosting site which usually incurs more costs.  You can of course just post an "attachment" each post rather than a weblink?


Great build so far by the way.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: ballastanksian on June 03, 2020, 08:11:54 PM
I love that work you have done on the hangar and think the doors working is extra special.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 03, 2020, 10:13:29 PM
I love that work you have done on the hangar and think the doors working is extra special.



HI
ballastanksian  glad you like the build an the hangar is getting kind of complex with the working doors  an thank you for your kind comments  :-)) there is still a lot to get working in the hangar like the lights an the flood light to light up the flight deck an ive also still got to make up the mainmast an get the radars built an goin so it will keep me busy for a while an thank you for lookin in on the build
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all the best chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: ballastanksian on June 04, 2020, 10:43:32 PM
No worries Chris, its work like this and Stan's and others work that is massaging the model boating enthusiasm back into my veins.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 05, 2020, 07:11:38 AM
No worries Chris, its work like this and Stan's and others work that is massaging the model boating enthusiasm back into my veins.



HI AGAIN
ballastanksian well I hope you get back into the hobby as I find its very relaxin (when things go right that is )  but this is a great hobby with this lockdown im hardly out of my model room except for tiffin when the wife cooked it that is
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chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: ballastanksian on June 05, 2020, 08:48:36 AM

I think it is partly that last push to complete a model, where the challenges are past that make a project frustrating and annoying but also rewarding when you have solved the riddle of whatever was challenging you. That and time.


I am doing railings and that isn't very challenging  {:-{
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 05, 2020, 12:36:09 PM
I think it is partly that last push to complete a model, where the challenges are past that make a project frustrating and annoying but also rewarding when you have solved the riddle of whatever was challenging you. That and time.


I am doing railings and that isn't very challenging  {:-{



HI AGAIN
=ballastanksian   it is if you make them your self as that's what I have done on my HMS NORFOLK type 23
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chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: warspite on June 05, 2020, 01:40:45 PM
Are the helicopter hanger doors roller shutters? jus wondered
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 05, 2020, 02:41:34 PM
Are the helicopter hanger doors roller shutters? jus wondered



HI
warspite yes they are on the real ship an if you look closely you can see the line across the door 's meaning to simulate the roller shutter door but each link on the doors is only about 1mm so it would be very difficult to make proper roller shutter doors hence my idea
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chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: warspite on June 05, 2020, 06:46:30 PM
I Thought it was, with time on my hands I was thinking of how to make a roller shutter door at 1/72, I have a similar helicopter hanger on a stalled rescue ship (its a cardboard prototype hull based on a castle class size hull).


I have a concept and will have a go at proving it when the current project is finished
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 05, 2020, 07:31:24 PM
I Thought it was, with time on my hands I was thinking of how to make a roller shutter door at 1/72, I have a similar helicopter hanger on a stalled rescue ship (its a cardboard prototype hull based on a castle class size hull).


I have a concept and will have a go at proving it when the current project is finished



OK
warspite  be nice to see your concept as I also had an idea of how to make one an that was usein the plasticard  with the groves goin across an usein a very fine sharp blade cut it in to strip an then gluein it to a very thin rubber backin to roll up an down on a round bar in the guide rails but I don't think its worth all the trouble much easyier my way an it opens an closes which is what I want it to do

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chris