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Title: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 07, 2019, 10:20:05 am
HI all im a newbie with a new pc an a new image hosting site an im tryin to find out how to work all this as im not very good on computers. An now I wil try an post some pics of my build im scratchbuilding HMS TIGER C20 in 1/72 semi scale converted to a helicopter carrier an have only been building a few months so not a lot to see.IM at the stage so far havin built the hull with hull frames an qaudron fitted an now ready to start covering the hull a link maybe the only way to see the pics until I can find out how to post proper pics chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 07, 2019, 10:26:03 am
https://ibb.co/HD5GFT8 A pic of the real ship as a test pic to see if it will show on site please click on link chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 07, 2019, 10:43:00 am
NOW starting the build by drawn from plans onto the marine plywood an cutting out the keel https://ibb.co/Bf9nNCs hopefully link will show as I have not got much confidence in my pc skill 's at the moment but im trying an I will have to load one link at a time as live in a low megabyt eara chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 07, 2019, 10:54:53 am
An keel cutout got to be carefull though as its very fragile to move around anyway more links soon as I got have a rest an then go outside into my garage as that's where the ship is bein built an not indoors due to its size an build a bit more as I want to start covering her today https://ibb.co/jJC49NY chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Capt Podge on June 07, 2019, 11:17:15 am
Looking good Chris, and as you say, a bit fragile at the moment but it will stiffen up once you get the frames mounted. Looking forward to seeing more as you progress. :-))
Regards Ray.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on June 07, 2019, 11:22:40 am
https://ibb.co/HD5GFT8 (https://ibb.co/HD5GFT8) A pic of the real ship as a test pic to see if it will show on site please click on link chris
Pic showed up, its snakey Blakey though {-) no matter nearly twins
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 07, 2019, 05:58:45 pm
Hi guys a few more links for pic's Here im now cutting out the main hull joint as this ship will have to come in half for transport in car to pond https://ibb.co/g9Q0Gyg chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 07, 2019, 06:04:32 pm
the H/J are cut out an nxt job is drilling them out to fit brass slevses an to fit the main bolts that will hold the ship togeather https://ibb.co/g9Q0Gyg chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 07, 2019, 06:15:25 pm
An done on the H/J its now ready to fit into the keel section https://ibb.co/0JCRHvM chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 07, 2019, 06:22:01 pm
Bolts 'washers'a butterfly nuts all fitted https://ibb.co/XZn6n9V
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 07, 2019, 06:29:26 pm
Got a bit ahead of my self there as I should have shown a pic of the plasticard fitted in between the H/J to serve as a spacer so when the hull is is covered an lifted off baseboard an bolts removed the plasticard can be removed to make a space to fit in for the hacksaw blade to cut hull https://ibb.co/8m8hPHT
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 07, 2019, 06:31:30 pm
AN now ready to fit in place to the keel https://ibb.co/Pj6GBZ8
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 07, 2019, 06:36:36 pm
Now fittin in hull frames https://ibb.co/MBhGsnd
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 07, 2019, 06:39:35 pm
More hull frames cut for the front of the vessel https://ibb.co/5F1MTcQ
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 07, 2019, 06:43:18 pm
AN fitted to keel https://ibb.co/ysL8mNy
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on June 07, 2019, 06:46:47 pm
Lovely job. You can post your images rather than just links :-)) Just use the insert image tab and post the image address
(https://i.ibb.co/2KXj0Ft/IMG-4540.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 07, 2019, 06:50:50 pm
Here nr as far as I have gotten on the build an all h frames are in an also the quadrons are fitted to give the hull strength https://ibb.co/g664qD8 (https://ibb.co/g664qD8)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on June 07, 2019, 06:53:53 pm
Here nr as far as I have gotten on the build an all h frames are in an also the quadrons are fitted to give the hull strength https://ibb.co/g664qD8 (https://ibb.co/g664qD8)
(https://i.ibb.co/TrrWjHG/IMG-4556.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 07, 2019, 06:54:51 pm
AN fitted to keel https://ibb.co/ysL8mNy (https://ibb.co/ysL8mNy)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 07, 2019, 07:02:02 pm
HI Andy if you can bring them all up like that I would be very pleased as im new to pc 's an not very good on them an what you said about image tabs an such I have not got a clue as on imgbb there are no intruckions to tell you what to do an ive only got this far by sheer luck sorry about that I have just two more pics to post an that's will be as far as I have got on the build but many thanks for your help on pics but I can only put the links im afraid chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on June 07, 2019, 07:04:10 pm
If I do it now they'll all end up out of order. Happy to do from now onwards :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 07, 2019, 07:06:26 pm
a shot from the stern https://ibb.co/xqQWpND (https://ibb.co/xqQWpND)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 07, 2019, 07:10:33 pm
a shot from the stern https://ibb.co/xqQWpND (https://ibb.co/xqQWpND)
(https://i.ibb.co/zVwpyzr/IMG-4557.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 07, 2019, 07:20:32 pm
AN LAST ONE for today I have now started to cover her in what I call a ply rap round this is as far as I have got on the build https://ibb.co/ThqhP46 (https://ibb.co/ThqhP46) more links or pics when I get that far chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on June 07, 2019, 07:21:51 pm
AN LAST ONE for today I have now started to cover her in what I call a ply rap round this is as far as I have got on the build https://ibb.co/ThqhP46 (https://ibb.co/ThqhP46) more links or pics when I get that far chris
(https://i.ibb.co/C0s0Vbg/IMG-4559.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 07, 2019, 07:27:47 pm
Many thanks Andy as I treid to do as you said on imgbb an it all went haywire an I could not get back on the imgbb site bloomin windows 10 I found windows vista far easyier but thank you for bringing the pics up im very pleased only wish I could do it but at least the pics getting on the site as I have great plans for quite a few workin features on tiger an hope all the guys will enjoy it all best chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on June 07, 2019, 09:34:38 pm
That's just how I built the original Tiger, Hermes and Phoebe, Victorious done same way but plastic card instead of the sheet ply. My Tiger has traversing 6" that's squirts water, bridge lights, nav lights, mast light, gyro controlled stabilisers, flood lights, rotating radar and white/red battle lights and a really loud foghorn {-)
Bob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 08, 2019, 10:39:17 am
HI Bob yes that's what im planning to do the same on my tiger as you did an I did on my uss Nimitz in 1/144 an hms Edinburgh in 1/64 hms York in 1/64 an hms Norfolk in 1/72 scale some don't like to see all whistles an bell's on a model but hey that's what the real ship has :-)) . So the models are more realistic an have you got anymore pics to show of your tiger close up to see the detail ? as I would like to see to help me in my build as I had a close friend who dieded of cancer an he said to me you never can have enough pics for info to build an I found he was right all best chris ps are all those builds that you have done on this site ?
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on June 08, 2019, 11:11:20 am
only builds on here in detail are CVA-01 Queen Elizabeth, Victorious and Tiger
Bob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: madrob on June 08, 2019, 02:08:47 pm
cant wait to see it come on Chris, if its anywhere near as good as the rest of your builds it will be outstanding
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 08, 2019, 05:17:55 pm
cant wait to see it come on Chris, if its anywhere near as good as the rest of your builds it will be outstanding
HI Rob nice to see you on here an many thanks for the compliments very nice of you an yes I will try an make tiger outstanding as Nimitz was an all the others builds an have you made up your mind what build you want to do yet ? chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: ballastanksian on June 09, 2019, 11:50:27 am
I love seeing plank/sheet on frame models being built, there is something very sculptural about them. I like the technique for giving you room for the saw blade to cut the hull :-)) :-)) It inspires me to get on with my models :}
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 09, 2019, 12:34:03 pm
I love seeing plank/sheet on frame models being built, there is something very sculptural about them. I like the technique for giving you room for the saw blade to cut the hull :-)) :-)) It inspires me to get on with my models :}
HI glad you like the build an yes building the scratchbuilt hull is sort of like sculpter I suppose when you think about it an yes the idea for savin a space betwteen the hull / joint has worked very well for me over the yrs always been a success an with the ship in two halvles ite easy to transport to the model show or pond have you any builds ? as be nice to see them ? chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 12, 2019, 04:59:36 pm
HI Guys well ive started to cover the hull an by gum really awkward work but im getting there https://ibb.co/xhHJ0Rf
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on June 12, 2019, 05:00:58 pm
HI Guys well ive started to cover the hull an by gum really awkward work but im getting there https://ibb.co/xhHJ0Rf (https://ibb.co/xhHJ0Rf)
(https://i.ibb.co/SNrR89d/IMG-4560.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 12, 2019, 05:03:22 pm
https://ibb.co/H2zfmmT
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 12, 2019, 05:07:34 pm
https://ibb.co/KKnc6Cq
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 12, 2019, 05:10:56 pm
hit the link as here im covering the hull joint an got to be carefull I don't get glue in the H/J or I wont be able to part them https://ibb.co/58PG5Ys
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on June 12, 2019, 06:04:46 pm
hit the link as here im covering the hull joint an got to be carefull I don't get glue in the H/J or I wont be able to part them https://ibb.co/58PG5Ys (https://ibb.co/58PG5Ys)
(https://i.ibb.co/R0qYChQ/IMG-4566.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: ballastanksian on June 14, 2019, 10:41:47 am
Hm, that could be a ghastly problem to solve {:-{
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 14, 2019, 05:46:49 pm
YES it could but got to look on the positive side I will know in a wk or so as im nearly fininshed covering the hull so fingers crossed chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: RST on June 14, 2019, 09:15:31 pm
I protect things I don't want to stick with cheap brown parcel tape and peel it off after. Tried and tested, nowt sticks to it. Works for building boards also.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 17, 2019, 07:39:05 pm
I protect things I don't want to stick with cheap brown parcel tape and peel it off after. Tried and tested, nowt sticks to it. Works for building boards also.
Hi thanks for the tip
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 17, 2019, 07:47:56 pm
Hi all well I fianally managed to cover all the hull an now leavein it for 24hhrs for glue to go off then tomorrow I will unscrew the hull an gently lift it off the build board an then remove the hull joint bolts an the plasticard spacer an sweat buckets cutting the hull any way some pics https://ibb.co/vB4HjTj
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 17, 2019, 07:51:05 pm
https://ibb.co/q1pS9rQ
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on June 17, 2019, 07:51:30 pm
Hi all well I fianally managed to cover all the hull an now leavein it for 24hhrs for glue to go off then tomorrow I will unscrew the hull an gently lift it off the build board an then remove the hull joint bolts an the plasticard spacer an sweat buckets cutting the hull any way some pics https://ibb.co/vB4HjTj (https://ibb.co/vB4HjTj)
(https://i.ibb.co/cvh1rZr/IMG-4567.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on June 17, 2019, 07:52:23 pm
Last bit fitted to the stern https://ibb.co/R3dHy5s (https://ibb.co/R3dHy5s)
(https://i.ibb.co/sKz3HBN/IMG-4574.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 17, 2019, 08:07:32 pm
NOW hull is completely covered now for the tedious part of F/G an sandin uuuuurrhh https://ibb.co/gmBmRDH all done until the nxt stage tomorrow to see if it will come off build board ok an cutting the hull boy will I be sweatin chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on June 17, 2019, 08:08:48 pm
NOW hull is completely covered now for the tedious part of F/G an sandin uuuuurrhh https://ibb.co/gmBmRDH (https://ibb.co/gmBmRDH) all done until the nxt stage tomorrow to see if it will come off build board ok an cutting the hull boy will I be sweatin chris
Looking good :-)) (https://i.ibb.co/7j6j1G8/IMG-4576.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 17, 2019, 08:14:17 pm
Many thanks Andy just got to hope tomorrow goes well boy is that gonna be a long 24hrs :-)) chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: ballastanksian on June 17, 2019, 08:26:42 pm
Deep breaths Chris. I am sure it will be alright.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 18, 2019, 06:44:46 pm
HI well its looks like you were right deep breaths an held ;) now I can breath again well the hull came off the build board ok with SWMBO help https://ibb.co/2gDv2Gm
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on June 18, 2019, 06:46:03 pm
HI well its looks like you were right deep breaths an held ;) now I can breath again well the hull came off the build board ok with SWMBO help https://ibb.co/2gDv2Gm (https://ibb.co/2gDv2Gm)
(https://i.ibb.co/KFM2ZTR/P1020158.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 18, 2019, 06:50:35 pm
https://ibb.co/rGXqWLg
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on June 18, 2019, 06:51:31 pm
Hull joint a nice clean cut I sweated buckets doin this fearin the worst cheers andy youre a star much appreaciaited https://ibb.co/LZDscRd (https://ibb.co/LZDscRd)
(https://i.ibb.co/YL4V1QB/P1020160.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 18, 2019, 07:01:32 pm
Hhttps://ibb.co/zZyCdr2/J on strb side when bolted togeather an it a nice tight fit but there is a lot of work to do on the hull like F/G an sandin down with sandin sealer
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 18, 2019, 07:04:09 pm
lookin down into H/J an again nice tight fit https://ibb.co/g671bGj
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on June 18, 2019, 07:07:02 pm
Hhttps://ibb.co/zZyCdr2/J on strb side when bolted togeather an it a nice tight fit but there is a lot of work to do on the hull like F/G an sandin down with sandin sealer
(https://i.ibb.co/SBhHSPm/P1020162.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on June 18, 2019, 07:07:27 pm
lookin down into H/J an again nice tight fit https://ibb.co/g671bGj (https://ibb.co/g671bGj)
(https://i.ibb.co/fQSRVb1/P1020163.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 18, 2019, 07:07:41 pm
ahttps://ibb.co/F0JNYgBn on the hull bottom nice joint im very pleased as now the hull is cut I can build the ship when I please an I can also get the car back in the garage
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Capt Podge on June 18, 2019, 07:08:11 pm
That's a really impressive cut you've made, straight and flat - congratulations :-))
I'll be looking in as you progress. :-) .
Regards Ray.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 18, 2019, 07:11:58 pm
an last shot here the hull joined up an ready for the next stage that's the lot for today andy thanks https://ibb.co/j3Sd0pP
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on June 18, 2019, 07:14:25 pm
That's a really impressive cut you've made, straight and flat - congratulations :-))
I'll be looking in as you progress. :-) .
Regards
Ray.
Many thanks ray im bloomin glad I have got over that hull build been a worry in case it dint turn out ok now I can sleep at nights :-)) chris an thanks for your intrest
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on June 18, 2019, 07:29:23 pm
That last shot is most impressive :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 18, 2019, 08:11:29 pm
Cheers Andy it don't look to bad does it im pretty pleased as this will be the last scratchbuilt build I will do as im now an oap an yrs are running out I judge this build will keep me busy for the nxt 5 yrs then on borrowed time :o but im goin to enjoy building this model as it looks a nice ship as ive never built a half battle cruiser an helo carrier before so something different chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: littoralcombat on June 25, 2019, 11:25:51 am
Hi Chris, just following on from your question regarding the direction of rotation for HMS Tiger Props. Unfortunately, I have no idea which way they turned. My gut feeling would be Outboard turning, but I have no definite evidence to back up my suspicion. Nige
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on June 25, 2019, 02:02:21 pm
Following on from all the which way do the props turn, my Tiger has all four turning inboard, and she sails and handles extremely well, so if it aint broke don't fix :}
Bob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 25, 2019, 06:12:30 pm
Hi Chris, just following on from your question regarding the direction of rotation for HMS Tiger Props. Unfortunately, I have no idea which way they turned. My gut feeling would be Outboard turning, but I have no definite evidence to back up my suspicion. Nige
HI Nige thanks for your intrest an answer on tiger props rotation :-)) an I just asked in case you knew but no worryies as im still buildin the hull an still will for at least a few more months an by then I might find some more info on her chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 25, 2019, 06:25:28 pm
Following on from all the which way do the props turn, my Tiger has all four turning inboard, and she sails and handles extremely well, so if it aint broke don't fix :}
Bob
HI Bob an cheers for your intrest an answer regards props rotation on your tiger as you say if not broke don't fix an very true too but im a fair way off thinkin about the props as still building hull but I like to ask people just in case they might know.But regards my hms Norfolk type 23 THE PICS that Nige put on the other thread clearly shows if zoomed in on the props an just by lookin at the blades angle I can see that the type 23 props do go outwards so that's different an as my props on my model do go outwards im right so no need to fix as you say very good advise cheers :-)) chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: gingyer on June 25, 2019, 07:02:03 pm
Chris If it helps any we were discussing prop rotation on Sunday.... As people say tugs go one way for manoeuvrability and warships the other for speed.
We looked at numerous types of warships and dry dock pictures and found there was NO set rotation of the props! We even found sister ships with different prop rotation....
Unless you find a picture of the props of the tiger then go with whatever suits!
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 25, 2019, 07:22:29 pm
Chris If it helps any we were discussing prop rotation on Sunday.... As people say tugs go one way for manoeuvrability and warships the other for speed.
We looked at numerous types of warships and dry dock pictures and found there was NO set rotation of the props! We even found sister ships with different prop rotation....
Unless you find a picture of the props of the tiger then go with whatever suits!
HI Ginger cheers for your answer an exscuse me for askin but are you the Ginger that's friends with BrianC ? CHRIS
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: gingyer on June 25, 2019, 07:53:42 pm
Yip :-))
And it was myself and brianC looking at the prop Stuff on Sunday %)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 25, 2019, 08:38:14 pm
And it was myself and brianC looking at the prop Stuff on Sunday %)
OH ok Ginger nice to know you guys still into model ships as I hav'nt heard much of your warships wkends now dont they happen now ? an have you still got that big white SS CANBBERA any way my best regards to you an could you please give my best to BrianC please tell him I remember the nice chat we had at wicksteed all those yrs ago as I hav'nt forgotten as I really enjoyed talkin about the models to him just makes me wonder where all the time has gone chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: gingyer on June 25, 2019, 08:52:27 pm
hi Chris, we still build models and Brian pops on here from time to time...
the warship weekend has been put on pause with refurbishment to the park etc ongoing but we hope to solve that relatively soon.
the canberra was sold on to a couple of guys who done it up, I was jumping about the country so couldn't get it done ok2
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Post by: frogman3 on June 25, 2019, 09:09:46 pm
hi Chris, we still build models and Brian pops on here from time to time...
the warship weekend has been put on pause with refurbishment to the park etc ongoing but we hope to solve that relatively soon.
the canberra was sold on to a couple of guys who done it up, I was jumping about the country so couldn't get it done ok2
OK Ginger hope you follow my tiger build but it will be a while before any more posts as ive got to finish off building my hull an such as f/g an sanding an that's gonna take a few months that's the part I hate but got to be done so i'll get stuck in an have you got a build goin on here ? chris
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Post by: frogman3 on June 26, 2019, 12:05:08 pm
A TEST PIC OF MY HMS NORFOLK in 1/72 scale all a sea https://ibb.co/BgyfbMQ chris
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Post by: Taranis on June 26, 2019, 12:11:11 pm
A TEST PIC OF MY HMS NORFOLK in 1/72 scale all a sea https://ibb.co/BgyfbMQ (https://ibb.co/BgyfbMQ) chris
(https://i.ibb.co/2jvFx4C/P1020169.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on June 26, 2019, 12:17:54 pm
Cheers Andy for bringin up pic this Norfolk pic came as as I was tryin to up load pics to the forum but again I just got the link I don't know maybe its my flamein pc ? or me ? chris
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Post by: Taranis on June 26, 2019, 12:28:19 pm
Not your PC mate. I've sent you a message :-))
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Post by: frogman3 on July 19, 2019, 06:36:36 pm
HI all well ive been busy on the build for the last month or so tryin to build that weid shaped stern on tiger refit an its been a real devil to build as my plans are 3mm out so ive had to keep splittin the difernce on measurements. But I think I beaten it an built it still a bit on the rough side until its F/G an filler applieded an then sanded down so still a lot more to do on her before I can say hull built but im getting there AN in the 1st pic a plan shot of what ive been tryin to build over the last month https://ibb.co/ssbNBKS
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Post by: Taranis on July 19, 2019, 06:44:23 pm
HI all well ive been busy on the build for the last month or so tryin to build that weid shaped stern on tiger refit an its been a real devil to build as my plans are 3mm out so ive had to keep splittin the difernce on measurements. But I think I beaten it an built it still a bit on the rough side until its F/G an filler applieded an then sanded down so still a lot more to do on her before I can say hull built but im getting there AN in the 1st pic a plan shot of what ive been tryin to build over the last month https://ibb.co/ssbNBKS (https://ibb.co/ssbNBKS)
(https://i.ibb.co/nQ6YW72/IMG-4599.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on July 19, 2019, 06:47:10 pm
A SHOT of the raised back which will be the hangar an flight deck hull frames these have been added on to the normal hull frames
https://ibb.co/nmStjL6 (https://ibb.co/nmStjL6) an hi Andy cheers for bein on the ball to bring up pics chris
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Post by: frogman3 on July 19, 2019, 06:56:45 pm
Here a shot of the rear stern that's been causein me all that trouble tryin to get it to look right https://ibb.co/JvHhGzY
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Post by: frogman3 on July 19, 2019, 07:02:58 pm
A side view shot of it an im reasonbley pleased with how its turning out as I struggled with this https://ibb.co/V2LvGxR
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Post by: frogman3 on July 19, 2019, 07:08:51 pm
IN this pic all the rear hull frames will have to be cut out again to allow for the appertures cutouts to be cut into the hull an its a very tight space to fi t in the rudder https://ibb.co/z7YbVv3
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Post by: frogman3 on July 19, 2019, 07:12:49 pm
An in the last linkpic a shot of all the rear hull frames an all these will have to be cut out after F/G :-)) https://ibb.co/5Yc3LqQ CHRIS
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Post by: frogman3 on July 23, 2019, 08:00:45 pm
HI ALL well on the build im now at the stage of givin her a light sandin out side to remove all the rough edges on the hull an ive also fitted the bow formers to give it the nice sweepin curve up to the bow https://ibb.co/J27GRJ4
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Post by: frogman3 on July 23, 2019, 08:03:05 pm
STILL sandin the hull an its comin to look something like it should :-)) https://ibb.co/ctcn8Bq
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Post by: frogman3 on July 23, 2019, 08:04:21 pm
HULL shot strb side https://ibb.co/y52L1qh
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Post by: frogman3 on July 23, 2019, 08:07:36 pm
An port side an the weird shape of this ship can now be seen better https://ibb.co/P9Fxbf8
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Post by: frogman3 on July 23, 2019, 08:09:15 pm
AN she's now beginning to look big https://ibb.co/Vm1bncc
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Post by: Capt Podge on July 23, 2019, 08:09:54 pm
She's definitely taking shape now and looking like it's going to be a cracker - looking forward to your future updates. :-)
Regards, Ray.
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Post by: frogman3 on July 23, 2019, 08:13:07 pm
https://ibb.co/YLNK5r6 more when I get that far chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 23, 2019, 08:25:53 pm
She's definitely taking shape now and looking like it's going to be a cracker - looking forward to your future updates. :-)
Regards, Ray.
HI Ray yes she' on the way an hopefully will be a cracker but there's still a lot that can go wrong as I think im at that point of thinking how to precceed for the best but just got to think before I act an thanks for your intrest chris
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Post by: Taranis on July 24, 2019, 10:11:41 am
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 28, 2019, 09:14:44 am
COR CHEERS Bob super info picture many thanks :-)) :-)) :-)) im very impressed what a picture wow is it ok to print this picture off so I can frame it an put it on show for people to see info about the model an the real ship when I put her on display ?.An I only hope I can do justice to this model as its provein very hard to get the hull curves right an some I don't think I can but will see when I F/G her . An im goin to have to go off scale a bit im afraid as Im thinkin of fittin in the hull a bow thruster at the front of the hull as this hull so big the wind catches her very easy an on our pond when it get busy I will need it for station keepin or I will end up hitting other models an I don't want that.I had to do the same with my Nimitz carrier an it was a blessin to control her easysily an Bob if poss could you find out which way that radar goes left to right back an forth or up an down as I would like to get it right I know I wont need it for a fair while but if I see the units to make the radar move how it should do then I can buy the bits
Chris
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Post by: Rob47 on July 28, 2019, 11:36:33 am
Chris No prob printing it as it is an RN publicity picture, don’t forget that it is Blake though Consensus is that radar is fixed and looking at drawings can see no mech for anything. Defo does not rotate, no room
Bob
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Post by: frogman3 on July 28, 2019, 12:44:14 pm
Chris No prob printing it as it is an RN publicity picture, don’t forget that it is Blake though Consensus is that radar is fixed and looking at drawings can see no mech for anything. Defo does not rotate, no room
Bob
GREAT stuff on the pic thanks Bob as I will fit it in a nice gold or silver frame in front of her when on display an I will point out that its blake but as you said they are practicaly twins so no worries on that. But got to build her first I have been today grinding out the hull frames right where the apertures will be a noisey an smelly job but that's been done usein my Dremel. Now nxt step today is fit in a hard balsa mount 1/2 " thick for the rudder to be drilled out an mounted on then one day nxt wk it will be F/G time aaaaaaawwwwwaa NOT LOOKIN FORWARD TO THAT but got to be done.An Bob lookin at my plans an your hull picturs of your tiger as I have been studyin them I see that you hav'nt got on YOUR hull as much armour plate as my plans show did the R/N remove some at one time ? an regards the radar well I think I wil make it rock from the sides just to make the model more intrestin again cheers for info no doubt i'll be askin again as the model progesses so don't go away ;) :-)) :-)) :-)) all best chris
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Post by: D108 on July 28, 2019, 01:43:38 pm
The 278 radar was a height finder is, it would be put on the bearing of the contact in question and then dish would rotate up and down to find the height . So It did not rotate 360 constantly like a search radar . The same radar was also fitted to the RN county class . Paul
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Post by: Netleyned on July 28, 2019, 01:54:59 pm
Fitted to the Battle Class Conversions and The Cathedral Class AD Frigates. I used to sleep in the 278 office on Llandaff when we short of space. Ned.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on July 28, 2019, 02:04:33 pm
Chris My hull has the amount of side armour as per the plans so it might be the angle of the image
Bob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 28, 2019, 04:51:16 pm
The 278 radar was a height finder is, it would be put on the bearing of the contact in question and then dish would rotate up and down to find the height . So It did not rotate 360 constantly like a search radar . The same radar was also fitted to the RN county class . Paul
AN HI Paul cheers for the info on the 278 radar so it rocked up an down well I think when the time comes I can make it do that on a piston drive an Paul have you any idea if it was a fast rocking motion or slow ? chris
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Post by: Rob47 on July 28, 2019, 05:53:18 pm
Tiger crew say not rocking but adjustable for angle as required As for armour here is a shot of the armour plate on my hull, hope you can see both green tapes showing length of it, fits in with both Jecobin and admiralty drawings
Bob (https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/07/28/IMG_4869.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on July 28, 2019, 06:18:06 pm
HI Bob well my plan must be wrong as it shows more armour plate at the stern end below a linkpic of my plan an yes I see where your armour plate is on your hull thanks well I think I might leave it off an just fit it where yours is https://ibb.co/ssbNBKS chris
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Post by: frogman3 on July 28, 2019, 08:41:13 pm
An three more piclinks of the armour belt Bob it seems to go nearly the whole ship length an these are all follow after each other along the hull up till the midship https://ibb.co/mb6H26m
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Post by: frogman3 on July 28, 2019, 08:44:19 pm
https://ibb.co/RC6Z3gq
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Post by: frogman3 on July 28, 2019, 08:49:20 pm
AN MIDSHIPS https://ibb.co/d0xPtXV so can you see now Bob on my plan how much more armour belt there is then on your hull if im lookin at this right but like I say my plan may be wrong chris
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Post by: frogman3 on July 28, 2019, 08:59:33 pm
HI again Bob would you mind postin a pic of the tiger badge I see in a frame below your hull please chris
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Post by: Rob47 on July 28, 2019, 09:02:43 pm
Can do later tonight also the real ship showing the armour
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Post by: frogman3 on July 28, 2019, 09:17:40 pm
Can do later tonight also the real ship showing the armour
OK Bob youre a star cheers i'll have look in the morning as soon be time to hit the sack as my missus went up at 8pm as we are up every morn at 4-30 to take her to work chris
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Post by: Rob47 on July 28, 2019, 10:36:59 pm
Chris looking at the ship and remembering from close up at water level, and looking at my plans I have never seen that rectangular piece before, mine looks shorter at the green tap forward marked edge of main armour belt, it then reduces in height till it would agree with your plans. aft does the same and ends just by second cutout.
Some images I hope might help The model shots is the official model of Tiger.. I have two editions of Jecobin plans and neither show it, it could be armour to be added but never was, the drawings for Victorious are like that, heaps of lets add this but in the end never added. My belt nearly covers the whole length and the other bit on your plans would be visible on waterline
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Post by: frogman3 on July 29, 2019, 10:09:47 am
HI again Bob it looks like my plans are wrong <*< >>:-( an you are right :-)) NOT GOOD CONSIDERING THE AMOUNT OF MONEY I PAID FOR THE PLANS well you live an learn normaly the hard way >:-o . But many thanks :-)) on that again you are a star :-)) well that's a relief as I don't now have to build an fit the bloomin armour belt in them postions on the hull.So what I can see of it the A-belt starts at front on hull just below the start of the bridge an finishes just before the second aperture or cutout judgein by your green tape marks so that's what I will do an build it like that .Just as well I jionded this forum an met you as you've been really helpful an saved me a lot of work regards that A-belt an I cannot thank you enough for you help regards that radar as well an the execlent tiger badge great stuff cheers I know I wont need them for a fair while but ive found out that in this model building game from building my past models get as much info as possible while you can as it might not be there later an I should think you are the same Bob many thanks chris
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Post by: frogman3 on July 29, 2019, 10:31:40 am
Another question Bob while I think of it why is there so many hand rails around the stern ? chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on July 29, 2019, 10:44:17 am
Flight deck or quarter deck?
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 29, 2019, 10:58:53 am
Another question Bob while I think of it why is there so many hand rails around the stern ? chris
WELL on the stern hull sides nr 1/4 deck an flight deck ? or are these hand rails fitted for the hull painters ? but if that's the case why no hand rails on the rest of the length of the hull ? chris
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Post by: Rob47 on July 29, 2019, 01:35:04 pm
Chris ah I see what you mean now I can look at images, assuming you mean the verticals, to be honest I have no idea and have tried for years to discover but to no avail so far.
Bob
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Post by: frogman3 on July 29, 2019, 03:02:08 pm
Chris ah I see what you mean now I can look at images, assuming you mean the verticals, to be honest I have no idea and have tried for years to discover but to no avail so far.
Bob
Well Bob I think the vertical hand rails are for the hull painters as if you think about it as the hull curves outward as it goes upward ive seen pics of sailors hangin over the hull edge in tiny chairs from ropes paintin the hull an they can use the handrails to pull themselves closer to the hull when not much to do like a punishment put onto jankers I think the term is as that the punishment terms in the RAF don't know about navy though an when I worked as a civvie up at RAF COLTISHALL it was unless anyone eles knows different ? chris
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Post by: frogman3 on August 09, 2019, 09:50:34 am
HI all well the tiger build continues an here a couple shots of the bow as I wanted to make the bow very strong in case she hits the concrete sides of our pond so I fitted light wheigth balsa wood in the openins an then I pourded resin in to make it strong linkpic https://ibb.co/3hFfbXn
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Post by: frogman3 on August 09, 2019, 09:52:42 am
https://ibb.co/Gn3wTg7
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Post by: Taranis on August 09, 2019, 09:54:46 am
HI all well the tiger build continues an here a couple shots of the bow as I wanted to make the bow very strong in case she hits the concrete sides of our pond so I fitted light wheigth balsa wood in the openins an then I poured resin in to make it strong linkpic https://ibb.co/3hFfbXn (https://ibb.co/3hFfbXn)
(https://i.ibb.co/s3154SZ/IMG-4627.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/pbrDyC2/IMG-4628.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on August 09, 2019, 10:00:13 am
Here in this pic im nr finished firber glassin inside the bow section an oh how I hated doin that F/G as its a horrible smelly job >>:-( but all F/G done now thank goodness just the last bit of matin to fit https://ibb.co/CbVqMQv (https://ibb.co/CbVqMQv)
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Post by: frogman3 on August 09, 2019, 10:02:43 am
HI Andy nice to see you are on the ball cheers chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on August 09, 2019, 10:05:58 am
Here in this pic im nr finished firber glassin inside the bow section an oh how I hated doin that F/G as its a horrible smelly job >>:-( but all F/G done now thank goodness just the last bit of matin to fit https://ibb.co/CbVqMQv (https://ibb.co/CbVqMQv)
(https://i.ibb.co/D9wN8Qk/IMG-4629.jpg)
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Post by: Taranis on August 09, 2019, 10:07:07 am
HI Andy nice to see you are on the ball cheers chris
Sometimes I never log out so it sometimes only looks like I'm here when I'm not {-)
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Post by: frogman3 on August 09, 2019, 10:09:49 am
Here a couple of pics of the stern section bein F/G https://ibb.co/w0HfPq5 (https://ibb.co/w0HfPq5) https://ibb.co/3CXbnWR (https://ibb.co/3CXbnWR)
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Post by: frogman3 on August 09, 2019, 10:20:36 am
An bow section finished regards F/G an matin all trimed off https://ibb.co/Vwpx9TN an rear section done https://ibb.co/rpKNQ33
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Post by: frogman3 on August 09, 2019, 10:28:09 am
Shes now begining to look like a ship as she is now all sanded down now ive got to do the tedious bit of findin an fillin any low aera's in hull an dimples then more sandin but she's comin on https://ibb.co/Vm3hhPC
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Post by: Taranis on August 09, 2019, 10:30:45 am
An bow section finished regards F/G an matin all trimed off https://ibb.co/Vwpx9TN (https://ibb.co/Vwpx9TN) an rear section done https://ibb.co/rpKNQ33 (https://ibb.co/rpKNQ33)
(https://i.ibb.co/J3FqtHd/IMG-4641.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/wQZjd77/IMG-4650.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on August 09, 2019, 10:32:16 am
An jumpin the gun a bit while I had the hull togeather I thought that I draw around it an mark out the deck so its ready to be cut out when im that far ahead well that all for now chris https://ibb.co/VMYMGBL (https://ibb.co/VMYMGBL)
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Post by: Taranis on August 09, 2019, 10:32:22 am
Shes now begining to look like a ship as she is now all sanded down now ive got to do the tedious bit of findin an fillin any low aera's in hull an dimples then more sandin but she's comin on https://ibb.co/Vm3hhPC (https://ibb.co/Vm3hhPC)
(https://i.ibb.co/GTF11bM/IMG-4647.jpg)
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Post by: Taranis on August 09, 2019, 10:32:50 am
An jumpin the gun a bit while I had the hull togeather I thought that I draw around it an mark out the deck so its ready to be cut out when im that far ahead well that all for now chris https://ibb.co/VMYMGBL (https://ibb.co/VMYMGBL)
(https://i.ibb.co/dk4kvKf/IMG-4653.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on August 09, 2019, 10:43:54 am
OH BOY cheers Andy very nice of you to post pics for me much appreciated :-)) all best till the nxt time chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Akira on August 09, 2019, 12:59:30 pm
I hope this is not considered dumb or rude, but regarding the "armour" plating referenced in the preceding photo. 1) For armour plating, why is it mounted so high on the hull? All other capital ships I've seen mount armour just above to well below the waterline. In fact in the photo, it appears to be mounted above what I would "assume" to be her armoured deck. 2) The photo shows that this plating is dished to much the same degree as the hull plating which leads me to believe that it is 1) soft steel, 2) not hardened plate. To me this appears much more like hull strengthening strakes, very similar to those applied to Japanese cruisers and destroyers following the Fleet incident that showed up the longitudinal weakness of their design. I realize that this is, in a way a moot point. The real point being to add detail to the hull, which will look fantastic, so please bear with my inquiring mind.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 09, 2019, 02:36:41 pm
I hope this is not considered dumb or rude, but regarding the "armour" plating referenced in the preceding photo. 1) For armour plating, why is it mounted so high on the hull? All other capital ships I've seen mount armour just above to well below the waterline. In fact in the photo, it appears to be mounted above what I would "assume" to be her armoured deck. 2) The photo shows that this plating is dished to much the same degree as the hull plating which leads me to believe that it is 1) soft steel, 2) not hardened plate. To me this appears much more like hull strengthening strakes, very similar to those applied to Japanese cruisers and destroyers following the Fleet incident that showed up the longitudinal weakness of their design. I realize that this is, in a way a moot point. The real point being to add detail to the hull, which will look fantastic, so please bear with my inquiring mind.
HI Akira well from what Ive seen so far the armour plateing is a lot thicker an as you say at the W/L an below an that's what my plan shows. But from phot;s of the real ship its different so I think I will go with my plans on that many thanks for your intrest chris
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Post by: Akira on August 09, 2019, 06:01:04 pm
Hi Chris, I agree. Go with your plan. There is a nice photo of Tiger as completed, circa 1959, on pgs 294-295 of "British Cruisers, Two World Wars and After" by Norman Friedman. It shows her belt rather clearly. If you send me an e-mail address, I' try to scan them and send them to you, if you like.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 09, 2019, 06:52:28 pm
Hi Chris, I agree. Go with your plan. There is a nice photo of Tiger as completed, circa 1959, on pgs 294-295 of "British Cruisers, Two World Wars and After" by Norman Friedman. It shows her belt rather clearly. If you send me an e-mail address, I' try to scan them and send them to you, if you like.
HI Akira gmail sent chris
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Post by: Akira on August 09, 2019, 07:37:44 pm
Chris, On their way.Jonathan
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Post by: frogman3 on August 15, 2019, 07:11:52 pm
HI ALL the build continuses in the first pic ive just finished paintin the hull sandin sealer an sanded it all down boy what a job an the pong https://ibb.co/r7y08ZH
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 15, 2019, 07:14:54 pm
here im now getting ready to spray the rear section in grey primer https://ibb.co/5LzLVWC
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 15, 2019, 07:16:38 pm
An now well under way sprayin https://ibb.co/3ptGcQB
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 15, 2019, 07:17:47 pm
https://ibb.co/r61R2b0
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 15, 2019, 07:21:48 pm
AN done an its come up better than I expected :-)) as the primer will show up any little cracks so to fill an sand down :-) https://ibb.co/jyDjGbF
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 15, 2019, 07:23:20 pm
Now the front section https://ibb.co/HVYT7YZ
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 15, 2019, 07:27:22 pm
AN "xxxxx" >>:-( im nr out of paint I thought a 500ml spray would go further that this >>:-( <*< only half done https://ibb.co/L51n4dF (https://ibb.co/L51n4dF)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 15, 2019, 07:34:51 pm
AN yes I did run out of primer >>:-( will have to go an get some more tomorrow an had to stand them in the shed as swmbo said youre not bringin that smelly paint indoors so i'll proberlly sleep with it in the shed tonight :-)) %) lol {-) https://ibb.co/2hV1nGc chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on August 18, 2019, 04:03:09 pm
Which images do you refer to? I can find none that have "dished" in plates apart from the normal ships plating, the armour belt defo does not have that feature at all. Also if you look at KGV class the armour comes up same as Tigers.
I hope this is not considered dumb or rude, but regarding the "armour" plating referenced in the preceding photo. 1) For armour plating, why is it mounted so high on the hull? All other capital ships I've seen mount armour just above to well below the waterline. In fact in the photo, it appears to be mounted above what I would "assume" to be her armoured deck. 2) The photo shows that this plating is dished to much the same degree as the hull plating which leads me to believe that it is 1) soft steel, 2) not hardened plate. To me this appears much more like hull strengthening strakes, very similar to those applied to Japanese cruisers and destroyers following the Fleet incident that showed up the longitudinal weakness of their design. I realize that this is, in a way a moot point. The real point being to add detail to the hull, which will look fantastic, so please bear with my inquiring mind.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on August 18, 2019, 04:49:56 pm
HI ALL the build continuses in the first pic ive just finished paintin the hull sandin sealer an sanded it all down boy what a job an the pong https://ibb.co/r7y08ZH (https://ibb.co/r7y08ZH)
(https://i.ibb.co/LkpRjC1/IMG-4656.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/GR1RjvG/IMG-4658.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/CbxNQDh/IMG-4659.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/BZS5243/IMG-4660.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on August 18, 2019, 04:53:08 pm
AN done an its come up better than I expected :-)) as the primer will show up any little cracks so to fill an sand down :-) https://ibb.co/jyDjGbF (https://ibb.co/jyDjGbF)
(https://i.ibb.co/x16rGXQ/IMG-4661.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/R9PT2P8/IMG-4662.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/BNBq82p/IMG-4663.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 18, 2019, 05:20:12 pm
Cheers Andy for pics upload :-)) chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 18, 2019, 05:22:49 pm
Bob PM sent regards pics of the deck recess chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on August 18, 2019, 05:41:42 pm
Chris Hope these explain it for you, took me a couple of goes to get it right :} :}
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 18, 2019, 05:59:47 pm
HI Bob many thanks you the man yes you've hit the nail on the head they are just the pics I was lookin for :-)) . As on my plans there are so many line' s running into one another its a night mare >>:-( <*< an im used to big plan after building my Nimitz carrier but I think this tiger build is harder an more complex . An it looks like im gonna have to cut the hull side to allow the boats recess cheers an its gonna be a devil >>:-( to try an do a 45/degree bevel on the armour plate belt will see how it goes all best :-)) chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 18, 2019, 06:07:47 pm
AN Bob lookin at the pics yourve just posted it helps me to clayifiy the armour belt better :-)) chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: raflaunches on August 18, 2019, 06:28:24 pm
Nice work Chris. :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 18, 2019, 06:44:56 pm
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 19, 2019, 12:36:40 pm
HI Bob well ive just laid the armour belt on the hull dead where it should go regards the hull joint does it look about right ? as this is how it shows on my plans an im now goin to take the a/belt out into shed to sand the edges of it to 45/degress this is the starboard side chris https://ibb.co/StC0bnM (https://ibb.co/StC0bnM)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 19, 2019, 12:40:20 pm
An port side https://ibb.co/tsn7nrs
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 19, 2019, 12:45:54 pm
AN here a shot of the A/BELT on the HULL JOINT an I think it looks about right Bob from lookin at your pictures an guys please exscuse the messy carpet as we have got a pure white cat called snowball an as fast as jen hovers up snowball is hellbent on messin it up again with her hairs >>:-( chris https://ibb.co/hRMZNgb (https://ibb.co/hRMZNgb)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 19, 2019, 01:02:23 pm
The culprit >>:-( LOL but we wont be without her as she is a dear pet an good company https://ibb.co/svbfBq1 (https://ibb.co/svbfBq1) chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on August 19, 2019, 01:13:11 pm
HI Bob well ive just laid the armour belt on the hull dead where it should go regards the hull joint does it look about right ? as this is how it shows on my plans an im now goin to take the a/belt out into shed to sand the edges of it to 45/degress this is the starboard side chris https://ibb.co/StC0bnM (https://ibb.co/StC0bnM)
(https://i.ibb.co/tqrcgsv/IMG-4667.jpg) and port side (https://i.ibb.co/G2GKGS2/IMG-4668.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on August 19, 2019, 01:15:00 pm
AN here a shot of the A/BELT on the HULL JOINT an I think it looks about right Bob from lookin at your pictures an guys please exscuse the messy carpet as we have got a pure white cat called snowball an as fast as jen hovers up snowball is hellbent on messin it up again with her hairs >>:-( chris https://ibb.co/hRMZNgb (https://ibb.co/hRMZNgb)
(https://i.ibb.co/0jXFLnT/IMG-4669.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on August 19, 2019, 01:15:37 pm
AN here a shot of the A/BELT on the HULL JOINT an I think it looks about right Bob from lookin at your pictures an guys please exscuse the messy carpet as we have got a pure white cat called snowball an as fast as jen hovers up snowball is hellbent on messin it up again with her hairs >>:-( chris https://ibb.co/hRMZNgb (https://ibb.co/hRMZNgb)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 19, 2019, 05:35:45 pm
Yep looks about right, and if you have it from the plans should be fine, as you have the images to relate to as well.
Bob
HI Bob well now I got your blessing on the armour belt {-) :-)) I can carry on with the build but seriously you know a lot more about the ship than I do an you sayin it looks ok means a lot to me as it means to me that im heading in the right direction .But im soon goona have to go off scale for a while as I want to fit a bow thruster in her I know the real ship dint have one but needs must as this big hull ig gonna catch the wind chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 23, 2019, 05:20:31 pm
HI GUYS another small update an still tryin to fit the armour belt on her an its provein very tricky here ive taped it all down to the hull to see if it will pull tight into the hull contours without leavein gaps https://ibb.co/FD7qtRx
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 23, 2019, 05:25:35 pm
in this pic im now starting to glue the A/BELT to the hull an this must go on dead right or the rear belt will not match up then I will be right in it https://ibb.co/r4z7Zfn
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 23, 2019, 05:29:43 pm
Lookin at the top of the a/belt an you can see how much its got to be forced down onto the hull to glue about half an inch not good but hopefully it will pull in https://ibb.co/GC666pm
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 23, 2019, 05:32:57 pm
Anyway got to leave it for a day or so now for glue to go off an my bow thruster came today an it looks the business https://ibb.co/3sPqxsW
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 23, 2019, 05:34:55 pm
Exsploded view of it just got to hope it will do the job https://ibb.co/4jWMVpX
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 23, 2019, 05:37:16 pm
An all put back togeather ready to be installed in hull https://ibb.co/d0pSBBp
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on August 23, 2019, 05:42:54 pm
HI GUYS another small update an still tryin to fit the armour belt on her an its provein very tricky here ive taped it all down to the hull to see if it will pull tight into the hull contours without leavein gaps https://ibb.co/FD7qtRx (https://ibb.co/FD7qtRx)
(https://i.ibb.co/x758QxC/IMG-4670.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on August 23, 2019, 05:43:35 pm
in this pic im now starting to glue the A/BELT to the hull an this must go on dead right or the rear belt will not match up then I will be right in it https://ibb.co/r4z7Zfn (https://ibb.co/r4z7Zfn)
(https://i.ibb.co/Gc8xV3g/IMG-4671.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on August 23, 2019, 05:44:08 pm
Lookin at the top of the a/belt an you can see how much its got to be forced down onto the hull to glue about half an inch not good but hopefully it will pull in https://ibb.co/GC666pm (https://ibb.co/GC666pm)
(https://i.ibb.co/r5jjj09/IMG-4672.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on August 23, 2019, 05:44:51 pm
Anyway got to leave it for a day or so now for glue to go off an my bow thruster came today an it looks the business https://ibb.co/3sPqxsW (https://ibb.co/3sPqxsW)
(https://i.ibb.co/H29sc2Y/IMG-4673.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on August 23, 2019, 05:45:21 pm
An all put back togeather ready to be installed in hull https://ibb.co/d0pSBBp (https://ibb.co/d0pSBBp)
(https://i.ibb.co/QFHZ99H/IMG-4675.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 30, 2019, 09:30:33 am
HI Bob could i ask you a favour could you please put up the rest of the ships interior like you did with the stern section please like below https://ibb.co/HVZcyqp LINK PICTURE chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on August 30, 2019, 10:07:33 am
HI Bob could i ask you a favour could you please put up the rest of the ships interior like you did with the stern section please like below https://ibb.co/HVZcyqp (https://ibb.co/HVZcyqp) LINK PICTURE chris
(https://i.ibb.co/drZNvDJ/IMG-1821.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on August 30, 2019, 10:29:08 am
Chris Hope these are of use, note the original funnel layout
Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE (https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,63106.msg673312.html#msg673312) « Reply #200 on: Today at 10:29:08 AM »
ChrisHope these are of use, note the original funnel layout
OH cheers Bob just what I was hoping for as I had a friend looking at my build and he saw the stern pic and said to me be nice to see how the rest of the ship layout is and it is for me too, many thanks and I'm managing to fit that armour belt Bob but it took a lot to do it 3 bits fitted so far and one to go but it's been a devil of a job trying to bend the wooden armour belt to the hull contours but I'm getting there chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 30, 2019, 11:27:23 am
HI again Bob I hope you don't mind me asking this question but if you do please ignore it but where did you buy the turret gearing and motor mount in pic as I know I'm a long way from needing it but I always like to look ahead on things I might need all best chris https://ibb.co/0cyjGP5 (https://ibb.co/0cyjGP5)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on August 30, 2019, 11:55:50 am
Chris The bits came from a dead Hen Long tank, but due to the new turret, that system has now gone, all I have now is the barbette which is obviously hollow with a servo fixed underneath and a shaft fitted to a servo arm which was trimmed so it was a force fit into a plastic tube, this is located into the the turret roof, this allows easy removal if required, the servo is fitted with a turret servo control from model radio workshop, this little device allows you to traverse and when you let go of the stick the turret stays in that location, it also gives you more left and right arcs and you can set servo speed as well, all in all it works fine. Next time I drag her out I will do happy snaps for you
Bob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 30, 2019, 03:16:32 pm
OK Bob cheers i'll look forward to that :-)) and I have just finished fitting all four bits of the armour belt on my tiger 's hull. Cor took some doing to bend it to the hull curves >>:-( took a little over two wks to fit them but I enjoyed the challenge and now I can have a rest an be pleased with myself as I'm pooped (phew) chris :-)) NXT fitting the bow thruster then the portholes
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 03, 2019, 06:50:06 pm
HI ALL just a small update to say the build continues and after much steaming to bend the 3mm armour belt on all four bits are fitted to the hull contours took me two wks and I would not want to do that again in a hurry (phew)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 03, 2019, 06:58:43 pm
and I drew out the apertures from the plans and now ready to cut them out https://ibb.co/wLS6DbJ (https://ibb.co/wLS6DbJ)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 03, 2019, 07:02:17 pm
And cutout now for the hard work of filing them out so they are nice and straight and rounded corners <:( https://ibb.co/VT388PH (https://ibb.co/VT388PH) chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on September 03, 2019, 08:16:51 pm
HI ALL just a small update to say the build continues and after much steamind to bend the 3mm armour belt on all four bits are fitted to the hull contours took me two wks and I would not want to do that again in a hurry (phew)
And cutout now for the hard work of filing them out so they are nice and straight and rounded corners <:( https://ibb.co/VT388PH (https://ibb.co/VT388PH) chris
(https://i.ibb.co/hVCvvtX/IMG-4688.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: ballastanksian on September 03, 2019, 09:24:50 pm
After being away for a bit I come back and see what brilliant progress you have made on the hull Chris! SWMBO didn't look impressed when you took images of the hull upright. It is possible she isn't a Cruiser fan? Perhaps more interested in Destroyers??
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: madrob on September 03, 2019, 11:34:08 pm
making good progress chris...
did you ever hear anything off bry?
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: RST on September 04, 2019, 12:28:47 am
Pics!!!
Go to your "ibb ...bla bla page". Click on "embed codes" to the right of "about" under where it says "Frogman2" under the pic, click on "BBC code", 2 or 3 options down, right click, and "save" then....
"Paste" conveniently... Also, you need a new "g" and "d" buttons on your keyboard LoL! Never seen it done that way before with pics, usually you just use the "image" button, and paste the link in the pop-up box but whatever, below seems to work perfectly and very easily if it helps for pics on further posts....
I've never seen such a contrived image link above (without pic on the original post so I can see the links) for a forum before, but nevermind, it seems to work easy-peasy! (edit, apart from overcoming the "mayhem auto re-arranging format" on posts LoL).
Looks a cracking build anyway, if I can ever add that comment to this post ("A" WYSIWYG thing doesn't always work!)!
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 04, 2019, 11:00:48 am
HI RST firstly you made me laugh at your blog but I'll explain why it's happening like this as first I'm not very good on computers as getting on in yrs and second I live in a low megabyte area an my pc won't upload very well and it's very slow at that. And Andy has very kindly said he would upload pics for me if I can put up the image link and that's what's been happening and will have to do if I want to show the tiger build chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 04, 2019, 11:13:27 am
HI Rob hope you are well an glad you like the build but this has so far been a very challenging build due to the hull shape at the stern an this makes my Nimitz carrier build like a walk in the park but im getting there an no not heard any thing from bry im afraid chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 04, 2019, 11:29:40 am
After being away for a bit I come back and see what brilliant progress you have made on the hull Chris! SWMBO didn't look impressed when you took images of the hull upright. It is possible she isn't a Cruiser fan? Perhaps more interested in Destroyers??
HI Ballastanksian thanks for your brilliant comment :-)) on my hull progress but it's been so far a hard build due to the hull shapes and contours. As been steaming the wood so to bend but I have enjoyed the challenge of the build as this will be my last big build due to health and age (get out the violins :} ) lol an regards SWMBO she's not smiling in the pics as she has got cancer an not very happy. But she has her good days so just got to make the best of things ain't we and keep plodding along Chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 23, 2019, 02:34:54 pm
HI ALL just a small update to show that the build is still happening an not stalled now fittin in the bowthruster https://ibb.co/sJHmHD5
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on September 23, 2019, 02:38:06 pm
HI ALL just a small update to show that the build is still happening an not stalled now fittin in the bowthruster https://ibb.co/sJHmHD5 (https://ibb.co/sJHmHD5)
(https://i.ibb.co/mF8D8Yv/IMG-4692.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 23, 2019, 02:39:02 pm
AN fitted an have cut off the bowthrusters tubes to the correct hull length an sanded down nice an smooth https://ibb.co/L6ZrYzp (https://ibb.co/L6ZrYzp)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on September 23, 2019, 02:40:24 pm
AN fitted an have cut off the bowthrusters tubes to the correct hull length an sanded down nice an smooth https://ibb.co/L6ZrYzp (https://ibb.co/L6ZrYzp)
(https://i.ibb.co/2PkSW7K/IMG-4703.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 23, 2019, 02:43:44 pm
HERE the bowthruster mountin can be seen all firber glassed into the hull ready to accept the motor https://ibb.co/mzmchkv (https://ibb.co/mzmchkv)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on September 23, 2019, 02:50:22 pm
HERE the bowthruster mountin can be seen all firber glassed into the hull ready to accept the motor https://ibb.co/mzmchkv (https://ibb.co/mzmchkv)
(https://i.ibb.co/w6TzpVJ/IMG-4704.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 23, 2019, 02:53:08 pm
AN still on the hull (god don't think i'll ever get off this hull blimey been a heck of a lot of work >>:-( ) an ive just filed out all the apertures so they are nice an straight but later on there will be a lip fitted to all edges https://ibb.co/2nnckny (https://ibb.co/2nnckny)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 23, 2019, 02:58:45 pm
AN for a change I thought id get the quarter deck cut out an just fitted in to see how it looks but its got to come out again so I can fit the rudder an stabilizer's push rods in whenever that will be https://ibb.co/p0dvMtk
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on September 23, 2019, 03:00:49 pm
AN still on the hull (god don't think i'll ever get off this hull blimey been a heck of a lot of work >>:-( ) an ive just filed out all the apertures so they are nice an straight but later on there will be a lip fitted to all edges https://ibb.co/2nnckny (https://ibb.co/2nnckny)
(https://i.ibb.co/TvvPgvk/IMG-4705.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Taranis on September 23, 2019, 03:01:15 pm
AN for a change I thought id get the quarter deck cut out an just fitted in to see how it looks but its got to come out again so I can fit the rudder an stabilizer's push rods in whenever that will be https://ibb.co/p0dvMtk (https://ibb.co/p0dvMtk)
(https://i.ibb.co/3rcyjDP/IMG-4706.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 12, 2019, 07:32:23 pm
HI all well time for a small update on the build an I have spent a bit of dosh on her for a few things that she's gonna need https://ibb.co/rH6CpvR
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 12, 2019, 07:35:52 pm
HERE I have made an fitted all 8 bilge keels https://ibb.co/YbfSpKn
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 12, 2019, 07:37:33 pm
Doin a test fit of the prop sharfts https://ibb.co/m6xV3LG
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 12, 2019, 07:40:16 pm
A angle shot of the sharfts an the bilgle keel can also be seen https://ibb.co/sVcXfC5
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 12, 2019, 07:43:00 pm
here I have just laid the johnsons motors in side the hull to see if the fit in between the hull frames ok an they do https://ibb.co/dcdgzVn
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 12, 2019, 07:45:55 pm
An a test of the rudder come stabilizer as these will be cut down an made into stabs later on in the build https://ibb.co/yyJGRZ3
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 12, 2019, 07:47:47 pm
A shot from the bottom https://ibb.co/MsVgJsK
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 12, 2019, 07:50:35 pm
an inside the hull shot of the mountings as later on they will be cut down to the correct size to make sure there is enough room for the main drive batt https://ibb.co/m9wS2ZC
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on October 12, 2019, 10:35:00 pm
coming on nicely, I notice you have a large exposed keel, why is that ?
Bob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 13, 2019, 09:21:39 am
coming on nicely, I notice you have a large exposed keel, why is that ?
Bob
HI Bob yes im pleased with how the build is comin so far without any major problems an regards the large exsposed keel well. When I scartchbuild a ship hull I always think when finshed she maybe top heavy no matter how light the materials used to build S/S an such so the large keel is a half an inch deep an I can fit a half x a half inch metal counter balance wheight at its furthest point on the hull to counter any anti rolling of the ship.An it looks ok nice an neat not a big ugly blob of lead as in my time ive seen several people make that mistake on new ships an seen them roll right over an sink.Plus as this hull is not a F/G hull as they are stronger as you well know the bigger keel is more stronger to take the wheight of the big batts an such how' that for an esplaination ? chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 25, 2019, 06:57:08 pm
HI GUYS time for an update on whats happening on her
an I have been busy makin up the 6 stabilizer's from small rudders piclink https://ibb.co/2MypXmC
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 25, 2019, 07:02:46 pm
A shot of two fitted into hull to see if they will move ok an they do https://ibb.co/59NgT07
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 25, 2019, 07:05:34 pm
both sections done all 6 stabs fitted https://ibb.co/WFH9rD4
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 25, 2019, 07:09:08 pm
HERE the stabs are fitted but they all will have to come out again so I can fill them with resin for strength an then to be sandin sealed an then sanded down so they look nice https://ibb.co/5v6gzDR chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 25, 2019, 07:11:30 pm
Next job makein up 4 A FRAMES for the prop sharfts Chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 26, 2019, 11:58:47 am
HI Bob when you built your 1/96 tiger did you have much trouble fitting in the A FRAMES ? as my plans are miles out the top elevation an the side elevation an the rear are all up to 6mm out of alinement an its givin me a bloomin headacke >>:-( as nothin lines up. <*< So I suppose i'll have to split the difference ? yea id apprecait a reply if you can please an its the curveature of the hull also givin problems tryin to get the mearsuments right but I will do it as I like a challenge but if you give me any advice it would be most helpful chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on October 26, 2019, 04:21:43 pm
No problems at all Chris, apart from the normal making sure all alignment is correct, I have attached couple images showing mine, remember that the prop shaft length if to short will make the exit angle to steep, hence CVA-01 has shaft two foot long to sit right, and they run really quiet. Hope the shots help if not shout out.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 26, 2019, 06:34:11 pm
Cheers for the reply Bob an I know your tiger is 1/96 scale an I see you have very short sharfts as on my plans I have had to fit 16" inner sharfts an 15" outer sharfts to keep the props level an not pointing down an on my plans it show the sharft length that comes out of the hull at 6" but what im havin probs with is the angle of the A FRAME on one sheet it shows the frames are angled nearly flat to the hull an then on another it shows the frame nr upright nr like yours so I think I will follow your design an cheers for posting the pics :-)) chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 26, 2019, 06:53:44 pm
HI again Bob my main concern is wheather the outer props stick out further than the hull itself so do they ? a pic from the rear would be most helpful cheers chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on October 27, 2019, 11:09:22 am
Chris hope these clarify it for you, the drawing if I recall shows stern view and the amount of splay out of props.
Bob (https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/10/27/IMG_5111-Edited.jpg) (https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/10/27/IMG_5109-Edited.jpg) (https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/10/27/IMG_5107-Edited.jpg) (https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/10/27/IMG_5106-Edited.jpg) (https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2019/10/27/IMG_5108-Edited.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 27, 2019, 02:33:23 pm
Cor Cheers Bob just the pics that I wanted to help me with fittin in my prop sharfts these pics will be of imence help you have made me a happy bunny . As now I can now ignore my plans as they show 3 different layouts regards the angle of the A -FRAMES as it was sendin me round the bend with frustration >>:-( <*< tryin to fit them an they just dint look right many thanks much appreciated an is it ok if I download them ? chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on October 27, 2019, 02:59:26 pm
glad they helped, feel free to download
Bob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 27, 2019, 04:46:34 pm
Cheers Bob :-)) chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 01, 2019, 09:38:47 am
Small update on whats happenining on her have made up the 4 A-FRAMES to hold her sharfts in place https://ibb.co/SKjgr1F
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 01, 2019, 09:42:21 am
An made up a template to fit to the hull that will hold her props sharfts in place while I fit in the motors https://ibb.co/0hLcPgj
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 01, 2019, 09:45:31 am
https://ibb.co/rfgSJM4
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 01, 2019, 09:46:42 am
https://ibb.co/9y1DNsG
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 01, 2019, 09:50:34 am
Here a shot inside the hull to see if I can get the motors fitted an sharfts aligned correctly so far just the inner rear two sharfts https://ibb.co/SQD4N4F
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 01, 2019, 09:56:31 am
A pic from the stern at the props an they are lined up nicely now to fit the other motor an then glass in the A-FRAMES mounts an the sharfts tubes to the hull chris https://ibb.co/MG9yYTq
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 08, 2019, 09:42:11 pm
HI ROB47 HI Bob can you remember on tiger we was talkin about that small radar on the back of the main mast whaether it rotated or such as I wanted to make it work well a friend of mine who lives in Portsmouth told me about that radar is shown rotateing on utube so I can get it workin on my tiger after all chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on November 08, 2019, 10:04:08 pm
Chris Not convinced as it would useless to fully rotate as most of it would face the mainmast. I still think the 278 was nodding dog type like it’s predecc and possibly limited traverse. It’s role is height finding
Bob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 08, 2019, 10:34:12 pm
Chris Not convinced as it would useless to fully rotate as most of it would face the mainmast. I still think the 278 was nodding dog type like it’s predecc and possibly limited traverse. It’s role is height finding
Bob
[/quote HI again Bob well the one shown on the utube was on a county class an its on utube call county class ship of the future an to me it looks the same radar but I could be wrong an you right will try an find out more in my spare time all best to you :-)) chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 09, 2019, 10:33:42 am
HI all time for a small update ive been an still am tryin to fit all 4 prop sharfts tubes in their right position's if poss its been a heck of a job as its difficult to measure on this hull due to the hull curvature but I think im getting there 1st linkpic I have made a cardboard template up an when it was the correct shape I transfferded it to wood as much stronger to hold the outer sharfts in place https://ibb.co/vZLGLKM
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 09, 2019, 10:35:40 am
https://ibb.co/3WGpfsp
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 09, 2019, 10:43:16 am
An I think I have managed to get the motors in the right places as the sharfts have to go right to the motor spindle they will be slighty more angled then if I had some cambelt drive motor mounts an MFA don't make them anymore not unless somebody can tell me different https://ibb.co/613ncKd
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 09, 2019, 10:51:38 am
Close up shot of S/S prop tubes an sharfts nr right by the plans but im thinkin the plans may be a guide only as they show two different A- frame angles but these angles are the only ones that will fit the hull so onwards an upwards https://ibb.co/FVWkfSv
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 09, 2019, 10:53:51 am
An a overall shot of the stern section https://ibb.co/643jL63
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 09, 2019, 11:09:41 am
An ive left about 3/8th of an inch between the props tips an the hull side just in case I need or want to fit bigger props on her as its a big hull chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: derekwarner on November 09, 2019, 11:16:21 am
Chris.......are you intending to install 'outby', or 'inby' rotating [turning] propellers?
If you look carefully at post #246, you will see %) the prop rotation differs between the various images shown :-X
Derek
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 09, 2019, 12:53:47 pm
Chris.......are you intending to install 'outby', or 'inby' rotating [turning] propellers?
If you look carefully at post #246, you will see %) the prop rotation differs between the various images shown :-X
Derek
HI Derek im hopein to have them turning inwards as hopefully it will give more prop thrust on the big rudder an hope she will turn quicker as I don't want to hit other peoples boats. An the reason you see the props different in the pics was I just put the props on the sharfts to measure the distance between the props tips an hull as it has been difficult to get the sharfts alignment right how I want them an I must have had them in an out about 20 times as I a bit fussy an it niggles me if im not happy with it ive been told I worry to much but that's just me chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on November 11, 2019, 10:45:18 pm
Chris I have the definitive answer for the 278 Radar It does NOT rotate 360 degrees for the reason I mentioned about it facing the main mast. What it does do is traverse between set arcs left and right Info from radar tech HMS Blake same layout as Tiger Hope this helps
Bob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 12, 2019, 09:04:59 am
Chris I have the definitive answer for the 278 Radar It does NOT rotate 360 degrees for the reason I mentioned about it facing the main mast. What it does do is traverse between set arcs left and right Info from radar tech HMS Blake same layout as Tiger Hope this helps
Bob
HI Bob so simply put the radar moves just from left to right an right to left. So how big my main mast is all I need to make out of very tiny gears an tiny ball joint is a piston affair so as the main sharft that turns the big radar on the top the piston unit will traverse the 278 from left to right an back again an so on cheers an many thanks you've made me a happy man :-)) as I like to try an get things reasonable right as when I built my HMS CAMBELTOWN F86 type 22 frigate in 1/72 scale .I had a R/N picture of the ship an the crew what were out on the decks wore black trousers an yellow wind breakers an I painted my crew figures like this an as I was sailin her up Norwich pond when a gent came over an said you have got that wrong m8 he said we wear whites an shorts as he had just left the ship in malta an flew home .But he dint take into account that the R/N pic I had modelled on was in cold wheather which I pointed out to him an he just walked away leaveing us all quite miffed at the pond funny ole world isn't it all best chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on November 12, 2019, 10:24:30 am
Chris Yes "experts" can be amusing, once had a guy tell me that there were several ships in the Tiger class other than the three that were built, sometimes you have to bite your tongue.
Bob .
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 12, 2019, 10:46:20 am
Chris Yes "experts" can be amusing, once had a guy tell me that there were several ships in the Tiger class other than the three that were built, sometimes you have to bite your tongue.
Bob .
YEA you right there Bob just got to try an be diplomatatic an as you say bite your tongue chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 14, 2019, 02:35:41 pm
HI all just another small update ive been tryin to fit in the hull the four prop tubes come sharfts an its been a devil to do as all the hull curves have made it very awkward to get the measurements right >>:-( <*< in this piclink I have been maskin up all the prop tubes holes in the hull so that I can pour in resin to hold the tubes in place https://ibb.co/qpbzHT5
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 14, 2019, 02:39:21 pm
An here inside the hull I have fitted plastercine dams to hold the resin in place just got to hope they don't leak https://ibb.co/pXrsr2t
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 14, 2019, 02:42:26 pm
I have laid the hull fairly level at an angle so that as I pour in the resin it wont run everywhere https://ibb.co/q59Gk11
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 14, 2019, 02:46:44 pm
An it worked out lovley all sharft tubes in ok an A-FRAMES all line up ok https://ibb.co/C8qFCRX
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 14, 2019, 02:49:48 pm
https://ibb.co/9hnRQb0
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 14, 2019, 02:52:32 pm
all that remains now on this bit of the build is to sand down any rough edges https://ibb.co/7jwbq9R
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 14, 2019, 02:55:34 pm
THE right way up to see the sharfts tubes on the port side https://ibb.co/ZLw5Ljh
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 14, 2019, 02:57:48 pm
an im fairly pleased with how its turning out a starb side shot https://ibb.co/s1p6sJB
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 14, 2019, 03:02:40 pm
here a shot of the motors layout just got to hope these motors will be powerfull enough to propel her on the pond %) chris https://ibb.co/VV3KGRM
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on November 26, 2019, 01:08:25 pm
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 26, 2019, 07:03:00 pm
OH CHEERS Bob yes they just what I wanted :-)) as ive been studyin the plans on the bridge S/S an I understand them better now an with the pics you have put up I'll be able to manage now many thanks an much appreciated :-)) all best chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 04, 2019, 09:41:24 am
HI Bob yea ive found out what you mean on nav lights very strange to have them on the deck level as they are not shown on my plans thank you chris :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 15, 2020, 10:00:05 am
HI ALL a few more pic links of how the build is goin an in the 1st pic ive just laid on the deck on the hull to mark out where things are gonna be https://ibb.co/c17cK4v
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 15, 2020, 10:06:02 am
Here ive cut out the deck access hatches an the outer deck edges which will be gluded down onto the hull https://ibb.co/p0Yj02F
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 15, 2020, 10:09:05 am
AN here the deck edges are all gluded down onto the hull https://ibb.co/fnqRJD0
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 15, 2020, 10:12:56 am
AN now here just fittin in the main deck panles to see if they fit ok an they did an I have also fitted the ones in the bow https://ibb.co/TL14w3w
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 15, 2020, 10:18:08 am
AN ive also got to the point where I had to think an do fittin in the hull joint the main electric plug an the low voltage 44 pin eletric plug to power servos an other electrical units https://ibb.co/b79G0H8
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 15, 2020, 10:21:22 am
here ive solded all the wires onto the 44 pins electric plug (phew ) both of them https://ibb.co/7zrH0fk
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 15, 2020, 10:23:47 am
AN here both plugs an wirein harness will now be packed away till I need them https://ibb.co/5F3PR5s
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 15, 2020, 10:26:12 am
Next now starting on the S/S under the small 3"gun turret https://ibb.co/2Fm7P94
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on January 15, 2020, 11:06:16 am
taking shape Chris and looking good
Bob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Chris67 on January 18, 2020, 05:36:37 pm
What a hell of a job !!! :-)) :-)) %% %%
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 18, 2020, 10:35:10 pm
THANK you Chris67 yes this has been a hell of a build but a lot more still to come when fittin in workin features thank you for lookin in at the build an your intrest :-)) chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: derekwarner on January 18, 2020, 11:35:46 pm
Yes Chris, an excellent build.......[just digressing, the ratio of Officers to Enlisted Sailors appears a little heavily weighted]
7 Officers %) observing or supervising 6 Enlisted Sailors??
Derek
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 19, 2020, 12:53:06 pm
Yes Chris, an excellent build.......[just digressing, the ratio of Officers to Enlisted Sailors appears a little heavily weighted]
7 Officers %) observing or supervising 6 Enlisted Sailors??
Derek
HI Derek well that's what the pic show perhaps the officers dint have a lot to do ? an thank you for your kind comments on my tiger build still a heck of a lot to build though but im enjoyin it chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on January 19, 2020, 01:41:14 pm
Derek Would suggest that some are PO's and or Chiefs, can only see rings on two of the group
Yes Chris, an excellent build.......[just digressing, the ratio of Officers to Enlisted Sailors appears a little heavily weighted]
7 Officers %) observing or supervising 6 Enlisted Sailors??
Derek
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: derekwarner on January 19, 2020, 09:39:32 pm
Well.....of course your fair call Rob.....however I did not state 'Commissioned' Officers...certainly a different ratio to any RAS or Person transfer I have seen with our RAN
Derek
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 26, 2020, 08:15:31 pm
HI ALL another small update ive built the small S/S where the "3 gun turret will be on an this can be lifted off for access into the hull
looking good Chris, reaching that stage when it starts to look like a ship rather than a pile of wood and fibreglass.
Bob
HI Bob yea you are right its comin on great the build is im really lookin forward to building the main bridge S/S which im now startin an thank you for putting on my pics cheers chris :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on January 27, 2020, 02:37:44 pm
Chris
google "Navy gets Tiger" good to see if you not seen it
Bob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 27, 2020, 05:51:59 pm
HI Bob can you put up a link to this as ive typed in google an put it in but no joy may be as im in a low megabyte area thanks chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on January 27, 2020, 08:22:05 pm
Chris all you needed to type was Navy gets Tiger, just tried it and it comes up straight away
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujoT_3XUp5M
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 27, 2020, 08:41:21 pm
OH THANKS Bob had a look on your link as it wont come up how you said through google but the link worked lovely many thanks but it was certainly a quick utube wasn't it but it was great to see tiger' s guns firein great stuff chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 03, 2020, 07:32:10 pm
HI GUYS well a little more done on then bridge S/S ive fitted over cross members to take on the 01 deck https://ibb.co/4Z0qKVf
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 03, 2020, 07:44:13 pm
Here building the front part of the bridge as this has to be strong as I want to have the bridge sections lift off an back on in case any light pack up in the bridge https://ibb.co/pjPWM2C
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 03, 2020, 07:46:24 pm
AN 01 deck covered an now for 02 deck to be built https://ibb.co/1TqsYhP
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on February 04, 2020, 02:16:53 pm
taking shape Chris, nice to see the different approaches we have used in building the same vessel
Bob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 04, 2020, 04:47:12 pm
taking shape Chris, nice to see the different approaches we have used in building the same vessel
Bob
HI Bob yea she's comin on an yes we all do things differently don't we chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 28, 2020, 07:23:37 pm
HI ALL a small update on what build state is now here ive done some of the wirein on 01 deck https://ibb.co/cJ47MJk
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Post by: frogman3 on February 28, 2020, 07:26:14 pm
an built 02 deck S/S an fitted in the uptake wirein https://ibb.co/sWZTWxr
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Post by: frogman3 on February 28, 2020, 07:28:12 pm
02 deck cut out an just laid on to see if it looks right https://ibb.co/Fs0m95S
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Post by: frogman3 on February 28, 2020, 07:29:56 pm
what she looks like so far https://ibb.co/Jd8VS5R
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Post by: frogman3 on February 28, 2020, 07:31:49 pm
02 deck wirein fitted in https://ibb.co/fdJGhGK
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Post by: frogman3 on February 28, 2020, 07:34:17 pm
here ive just built the lower bridge windows will be drawn on an cut out later in the build https://ibb.co/B40SVDp
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Post by: frogman3 on February 28, 2020, 07:35:31 pm
front veiw https://ibb.co/6rQVQCd
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Post by: frogman3 on February 28, 2020, 07:38:04 pm
here the bridge has been fitted with its roof an floor for the top bridge https://ibb.co/mHnV5f0
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Post by: frogman3 on February 28, 2020, 07:42:02 pm
Well lower bridge is built an fitted but the bridges will be made to be removeable in case say a bridge light packs up or the glass comes loose now to build the top bridge https://ibb.co/0jYgwqM
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on March 05, 2020, 10:19:28 am
Chris Hope this image help, its very straightforward, if you go onto the warship R&D there is a drawing of similar set up and a link for the transistor.
Bob (https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2020/03/05/IMG_5484.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on March 05, 2020, 07:14:24 pm
OK cheers Bob i'll have a look chris
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Post by: frogman3 on March 15, 2020, 12:32:44 pm
Chris Hope this image help, its very straightforward, if you go onto the warship R&D there is a drawing of similar set up and a link for the transistor.
Bob (https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2020/03/05/IMG_5484.jpg)
HI Bob could you show me where in r/d as Ive looked an cannot find it can you give me a link to it ? please chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on March 15, 2020, 04:42:01 pm
Chris got to warship r&d, look for title "anyone recognise this component", scroll down and there is a circuit plan
Bob
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Post by: frogman3 on March 15, 2020, 07:39:28 pm
Chris got to warship r&d, look for title "anyone recognise this component", scroll down and there is a circuit plan
Bob
CHEERS Bob yes ive now found it many thanks chis
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: RST on March 15, 2020, 08:36:28 pm
Does that work in fresh water please?
Rich
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 15, 2020, 11:03:09 pm
yes I think it does as far as I know chris
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Post by: derekwarner on March 16, 2020, 03:45:27 am
If you needed to increase the salinity/conductivity of any bilge water whilst running in a fresh water river, creek or inland dam etc, you could always sprinkle a teaspoon of fine or ground Table Salt into the lower bilge area where any water could collect
The fresh water on contact with the fine salt powder would near immediately alter the di-electric potential of this water & so activate the water level switch function
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 24, 2020, 10:30:55 am
HI ALL update time on the build well I was thinkin I will fit some W/T doors on her with small hinges so I can open them as I want to fit in lights an some detail in the compartments https://ibb.co/q0sKMXv
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Post by: frogman3 on March 24, 2020, 10:34:35 am
an doors fitted on ok https://ibb.co/hZ0XPW1
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Post by: frogman3 on March 24, 2020, 10:35:52 am
an in the open postion https://ibb.co/KctTVv3
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 24, 2020, 10:41:15 am
here back to the bridges electric power plugs ive fitted tiny modualar connecters to take power up to the bridges for lights an such but first them main wires to take the power from the main wirein they are thw small white wires https://ibb.co/c1yjZQH
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 24, 2020, 10:44:41 am
an a pic of the mainpower uptake plug 4 pin fitted in S/S for the bridges to plug into https://ibb.co/cgQNFfR
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 24, 2020, 10:48:37 am
next the plug fitted to the bottom bridge this has two lots of wires conneted one lot for the btidge lightgs an the other goin up to another female plug to take power to the top bridge https://ibb.co/xG3x09w
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 24, 2020, 10:59:59 am
here a shot of the bottom bridge fitted with the power uptake plug goin to the top bridge I have made them like this so I can remove both bridges from the 02 S/S to fit in the glass an lights an such after paint sprayin in the comin months when warmer wheather https://ibb.co/ftTTLJn
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 24, 2020, 11:01:48 am
an the top bridge fitted with its power plug https://ibb.co/59nyDK0
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 24, 2020, 11:03:49 am
underside shot of 02 deck an bridge fitted to it https://ibb.co/wC3hcQn
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Post by: frogman3 on March 24, 2020, 11:10:02 am
an all the wires in the 02 DECK will work say things like radar motors an floodlights an anti collishion lights an steamin lights on the mast an intertior lights in S/S as I want to fit again opening doors with small corridors with a sailor or two standin in there chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 24, 2020, 11:13:28 am
carryin on with the power plugs shot of the main bottom bridge fitted with all its wirein to the S/S https://ibb.co/09kGgyJ
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 24, 2020, 11:15:19 am
TOP bridge fitted on now as well https://ibb.co/71myw2g
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 24, 2020, 11:18:58 am
an last shot for today of the bottom an top bridges all fitted on with all the wirein in an ive tested it all with a circuit tester an all power wires work fine :-))
https://ibb.co/4ZZDm32
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Weaver on April 17, 2020, 05:16:58 pm
Hi There! Sorry to butt in: I found this thread while I was researching the Tiger class to improve a Shipbucket profile and Google Images took me to some of the gorgeous model shots herein. This is great project! I can't even begin to imagine building a 1/72nd warship: I can barely avoid losing motivation in the middle of a 1/72nd tank!
Anyway, I wanted to chip in my twopenn'th on the Type 278 height-finding radar controversy. I agree that it makes sense that it wouldn't just rotate all the time and would be specifically pointed at targets, however, there's film that proves otherwise. If you look at this Pathé News video on Youtube of HMS Glamorgan, you can quite clearly see the 278 rotating continuously through 360 degrees. Now whether it did that all the time, or whether it sometimes stopped to height-find a target I couldn't say.
The video is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7sv9ODO-YU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7sv9ODO-YU) If the link doesn't work for some reason, the exact title is: HMS Glamorgan - Computer Ship Of The Future (1967)
The 278 bits start at about the 4 minute mark, but the whole thing's only 7 minutes long and hilariously dated so watch the whole thing for a laugh!
Good luck with the Tiger build! :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 17, 2020, 08:04:05 pm
Hi There! Sorry to butt in: I found this thread while I was researching the Tiger class to improve a Shipbucket profile and Google Images took me to some of the gorgeous model shots herein. This is great project! I can't even begin to imagine building a 1/72nd warship: I can barely avoid losing motivation in the middle of a 1/72nd tank!
Anyway, I wanted to chip in my twopenn'th on the Type 278 height-finding radar controversy. I agree that it makes sense that it wouldn't just rotate all the time and would be specifically pointed at targets, however, there's film that proves otherwise. If you look at this Pathé News video on Youtube of HMS Glamorgan, you can quite clearly see the 278 rotating continuously through 360. Now whether it did that all the time, or whether it sometimes stopped to height-find a target I couldn't say.
The video is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7sv9ODO-YU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7sv9ODO-YU) If the link doesn't work for some reason, the exact title is: HMS Glamorgan - Computer Ship Of The Future (1967)
The 278 bits start at about the 4 minute mark, but the whole thing's only 7 minutes long and hilariously dated so watch the whole thing for a laugh!
Good luck with the Tiger build! :-))
HI
Weaver MANY THANKS for your post an don't worry about butt in an yes ive seen this vid before when I was talkin to Bob about it as a friend who lives in portsmoth sent me the same vid an yes again it does show the 278 radar rotatein through 360 degrees an I think you are right it proberly does that an when it finds a target then it stops an does height findin but at the moment im a long way from getting that built so i'll sort that when I come to it but thanks for droppin in on my thread an hope to see you on here again an I will soon post some more piclinks in a day or so as they are all in the camera just got to resize them an load them onto imgbb then i'll load onto site if you want t see the latest pics an many thanks for your kind comments an glad you like the build :-))
ATB STAY SAFE chris
stay safe
ATB chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on April 17, 2020, 08:19:11 pm
Same radar different mounts for two totally different ships, the data and info I have passed on comes from the guys who served on Tiger
Hi There! Sorry to butt in: I found this thread while I was researching the Tiger class to improve a Shipbucket profile and Google Images took me to some of the gorgeous model shots herein. This is great project! I can't even begin to imagine building a 1/72nd warship: I can barely avoid losing motivation in the middle of a 1/72nd tank!
Anyway, I wanted to chip in my twopenn'th on the Type 278 height-finding radar controversy. I agree that it makes sense that it wouldn't just rotate all the time and would be specifically pointed at targets, however, there's film that proves otherwise. If you look at this Pathé News video on Youtube of HMS Glamorgan, you can quite clearly see the 278 rotating continuously through 360 degrees. Now whether it did that all the time, or whether it sometimes stopped to height-find a target I couldn't say.
The video is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7sv9ODO-YU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7sv9ODO-YU) If the link doesn't work for some reason, the exact title is: HMS Glamorgan - Computer Ship Of The Future (1967)
The 278 bits start at about the 4 minute mark, but the whole thing's only 7 minutes long and hilariously dated so watch the whole thing for a laugh!
Good luck with the Tiger build! :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 17, 2020, 08:33:59 pm
Same radar different mounts for two totally different ships, the data and info I have passed on comes from the guys who served on Tiger
Bob
HI Bob well ok how do you think I should model it ? no disrespect to you intended as you know more about the ship than me remember im just the modeler an I was postin my build on another forum an an bloke comes onto my tiger thread sayin ive got all my bridge S/S to far forward an I told him that its right by the plans an he also said that ive got the armour plate wrong as well so from what ive been told tiger was in the ship yard a long time bein built so maybe they made changes to the ship over the time of the build an nice to see you Bob ATB STAY SAFE Chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 18, 2020, 09:29:34 am
HI all a small update on where the model is now an whats happening on her AS we have had good warm wheather I have took her out to the garage an sprayed her overall grey primer to show up all the little holes an cracks where I have joined the deck to the hull a couple of shots at different angles https://ibb.co/XbmrGwH (https://ibb.co/XbmrGwH)
(https://i.ibb.co/7X7d09h/IMG-5163.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on April 18, 2020, 09:31:12 am
https://ibb.co/GM2d4XZ (https://ibb.co/GM2d4XZ)
(https://i.ibb.co/94TpkJx/IMG-5164.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on April 18, 2020, 09:37:30 am
An now a pic of both sections sprayed in grey primer for the bow section again to show any imperfections in the hull as when my filler turns up by postie I can get on an get the hull nice an level an sorry about the bad pic as I dint think about the light from the window https://ibb.co/RbWK2Qk (https://ibb.co/RbWK2Qk)
(https://i.ibb.co/kBFTKqs/IMG-5168.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on April 18, 2020, 09:41:57 am
AN these turned up by postie yesterday an they are the mini led strip lights for the hanger that im now building an the 9v batt plug will be cut off an the leds will be wired into the ships wirein https://ibb.co/gvn87PF (https://ibb.co/gvn87PF)
(https://i.ibb.co/tZd6hxP/IMG-5167.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on April 18, 2020, 09:47:05 am
AN lit up but to me they look to bright so I will fit a unit in to cut down the power from 9v down to say 7.5 v an see how that looks if still to bright then turn down the power a bit more to say 6v until im happy with the brightness in the hanger bay https://ibb.co/NnqfxQK (https://ibb.co/NnqfxQK)
(https://i.ibb.co/2YrRqmd/IMG-5166.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on April 18, 2020, 09:51:11 am
AN this is the unit that will do it an its a car 12v power converter that fits in the car cigar lighter socket an this unit will be cut down to a smaller size as most of it I don't need https://ibb.co/3FVnQ5F (https://ibb.co/3FVnQ5F) well that's it for now Chris :-))
(https://i.ibb.co/gWQxhbW/IMG-5169.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: JimG on April 18, 2020, 10:07:59 am
Dimming LEDs by reducing the voltage does not work well. You might find they stop working as they go below the minimum voltage before the brightness drops enough. Dimming LEDs usually uses a pulsed power supply (why you often see them flicker with a digital video). Possibly a forward only ESC could be used for this job, it would only need to be a low current one. Jim
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 18, 2020, 10:31:17 am
Dimming LEDs by reducing the voltage does not work well. You might find they stop working as they go below the minimum voltage before the brightness drops enough. Dimming LEDs usually uses a pulsed power supply (why you often see them flicker with a digital video). Possibly a forward only ESC could be used for this job, it would only need to be a low current one. Jim
HI Jim many thanks for that info on the leds but i'll give it a try first an if you are right then i'll do like you say or fit a heavy resistor to lower the brightness cheers chris ATB stay safe
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Weaver on April 18, 2020, 11:01:32 am
Doing a bit of reading, it seems that the 278 was a modernised version of the 277Q, which dated back to WWII, with new components to improve reliability, but working in the same way. 277 (of which 277Q was an update) was primarily an air/sea-search radar, which only started to be used in a height-finding role later. Air/sea search radars scan, by rotating 360 deg, by definition. There's a scan rate in the specs: 16rpm max. A system to stop the scanning had to be added later in order to do height finding.
There aren't many good online sources for info about radar unfortunately (at least that I've found). Wikipedia doesn't have an article on the 278, but it does have a long and well-sourced article on the 277 here:
"The Type 277 was a surface search (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_search_radar) and secondary aircraft early warning radar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_warning_radar) used by the Royal Navy and allies during World War II and the post-war era."
"The 277 used a 500 kW magnetron... and added a plan-position indicator (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan-position_indicator) (PPI) system with several remote displays."
"The resulting system, Type 277Q, arrived too late for Project Bubbly and did not see service until the post-war era. In tests aboard HMS Illustrious in March 1947, 277Q provided reliable detection in the TI role out to 85 miles (137 km) and heightfinding to 55 miles (89 km), dramatic improvements on the 293."
The 'TI role' mentioned is Target Indication, which basically means 'air-search with enough precision to point weapon systems'.
Why would a pure height-finder use a PPI (Plan Position Indicator: the classic 'radar scope'), which is designed to show a map-style 360 deg view around the ship?
Speculation: (I have no evidence for this, it just makes sense to me) The Type 278 was mostly used as a height-finder on Tigers, so it was usually stationary. However, at times when they didn't want to use the big Type 965, for instance when close to other ships or helicopters whose crews they didn't want to fry, they swtiched the 965 off and used the 278 in it's search mode instead. I know the 965 is rotating in the video, but just because it's turning, doesn't mean it's transmitting: the Type 1010 IFF (Identify Friend or Foe) transponder is mounted on top of the 965 aerial, so that'd be reason enough to keep it going round.
ANYWAY, taking my 'obsessive geek' hat off for a minute, the object of the exercise here is to help Chris build his model, and the good news, as far as I can see, is that there isn't a wrong way to build the 278! Rotating, still, turning back and forth at random, it's all good. :-))
Stay Safe,
-Harold
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 18, 2020, 11:40:21 am
ANYWAY
Taking my 'obsessive geek' hat off for a minute, the object of the exercise here is to help Chris build his model, and the good news, as far as I can see, is that there isn't a wrong way to build the 278! Rotating, still, turning back and forth at random, it's all good.
Stay Safe,
-Harold
OH WELL DONE Harold :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) ok2 MANY THANKS FOR YOUR HELP an that's how im gonna build it then as at the moment im now starting to build the hanger an as you have found out about that 278 radar I will plan the build accordingly so I can fit in all the crown gears on the main radar sharft to to turn the 278 an to fit in the main mast MANY MANY THANKS for that an all the pics an info which will be of immense help an for takein the time to find out all this :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) ATB Chris stay safe
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: ballastanksian on April 18, 2020, 03:10:06 pm
Sorry if I was too flippant when noticing your wife's unhappy expression. Obviously I wasn't aware of her cancer, but still, I hope she is winning the good fight with it.
The progress is astounding and looks really good.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 18, 2020, 05:36:49 pm
Sorry if I was too flippant when noticing your wife's unhappy expression. Obviously I wasn't aware of her cancer, but still, I hope she is winning the good fight with it.
The progress is astounding and looks really good.
Quote
That's ok an yes she is a fighter an we hope her cancer is in remission but she says she is takein it a day at a time an she has good days an bad so just got to keep on ploddin on as they say. An thank you for your kind remarks of my tiger build yes she is slowly comin on still about 4yrs building to do so im happy ATB Chris an jen
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on April 18, 2020, 09:25:08 pm
It looks more like ossicilating than full rotation which ties in with what I was told by rx tiger/Blake rechs
Doing a bit of reading, it seems that the 278 was a modernised version of the 277Q, which dated back to WWII, with new components to improve reliability, but working in the same way. 277 (of which 277Q was an update) was primarily an air/sea-search radar, which only started to be used in a height-finding role later. Air/sea search radars scan, by rotating 360 deg, by definition. There's a scan rate in the specs: 16rpm max. A system to stop the scanning had to be added later in order to do height finding.
There aren't many good online sources for info about radar unfortunately (at least that I've found). Wikipedia doesn't have an article on the 278, but it does have a long and well-sourced article on the 277 here:
"The Type 277 was a surface search (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_search_radar) and secondary aircraft early warning radar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_warning_radar) used by the Royal Navy and allies during World War II and the post-war era."
"The 277 used a 500 kW magnetron... and added a plan-position indicator (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan-position_indicator) (PPI) system with several remote displays."
"The resulting system, Type 277Q, arrived too late for Project Bubbly and did not see service until the post-war era. In tests aboard HMS Illustrious in March 1947, 277Q provided reliable detection in the TI role out to 85 miles (137 km) and heightfinding to 55 miles (89 km), dramatic improvements on the 293."
The 'TI role' mentioned is Target Indication, which basically means 'air-search with enough precision to point weapon systems'.
Why would a pure height-finder use a PPI (Plan Position Indicator: the classic 'radar scope'), which is designed to show a map-style 360 deg view around the ship?
Speculation: (I have no evidence for this, it just makes sense to me) The Type 278 was mostly used as a height-finder on Tigers, so it was usually stationary. However, at times when they didn't want to use the big Type 965, for instance when close to other ships or helicopters whose crews they didn't want to fry, they swtiched the 965 off and used the 278 in it's search mode instead. I know the 965 is rotating in the video, but just because it's turning, doesn't mean it's transmitting: the Type 1010 IFF (Identify Friend or Foe) transponder is mounted on top of the 965 aerial, so that'd be reason enough to keep it going round.
ANYWAY, taking my 'obsessive geek' hat off for a minute, the object of the exercise here is to help Chris build his model, and the good news, as far as I can see, is that there isn't a wrong way to build the 278! Rotating, still, turning back and forth at random, it's all good. :-))
Stay Safe,
-Harold
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 19, 2020, 07:10:00 am
It looks more like ossicilating than full rotation which ties in with what I was told by rx tiger/Blake rechs
HI Bob sorry no disrespect
meant to you but ive looked at that vid several times an the radar is revolving but once it picks up a target then it may go into the ossicilating mode so that way both ways are right .
An many thanks to you for all the help with the photos an info you have helped me with CHEERS :-)) ATB stay safe chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: ballastanksian on April 19, 2020, 11:28:15 pm
I don't see four years as a long time Chris. Like everyone, we have times where we can't stand seeing the model or something stumps us and we dabble with something else or real life knocks on the door and we have to poke at it with a broom handle.
I started my destroyer in 2014 and the Monitor in 2016. I have a foam plug I started in 2012 and other projects. I know we are not the only ones in this category, hobbyists are by their nature enthusiasts and hoarders of cool shiny things :}
I wish your good lady well, a relative of mine recently got diagnosed with Cancer so understand a small bit of what you both are going through.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 20, 2020, 05:38:35 am
I don't see four years as a long time Chris. Like everyone, we have times where we can't stand seeing the model or something stumps us and we dabble with something else or real life knocks on the door and we have to poke at it with a broom handle.
I started my destroyer in 2014 and the Monitor in 2016. I have a foam plug I started in 2012 and other projects. I know we are not the only ones in this category, hobbyists are by their nature enthusiasts and hoarders of cool shiny things :}
I wish your good lady well, a relative of mine recently got diagnosed with Cancer so understand a small bit of what you both are going through.
HI
ballastanksian yes I love long builds so 4 yrs ain't to long like you have said an im enjoying the build an thank you for your kind comments regards the wife :-))
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Weaver on April 20, 2020, 11:29:53 am
Just testing... ok2 (https://ibb.co/Fs0m95S)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 20, 2020, 05:52:51 pm
HI Harold what are you testing ? whats there a problem ? chris
No problem - I was just seeing if I could show you a way to get your pics to appear in the thread, but this board's configured differently to others that I post on so I can't do it 'my' way. Then it turned out that you can't delete posts on here either, so I had to put something otherwise it'd be a mysterious blank post...
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 21, 2020, 07:35:07 am
No problem - I was just seeing if I could show you a way to get your pics to appear in the thread, but this board's configured differently to others that I post on so I can't do it 'my' way. Then it turned out that you can't delete posts on here either, so I had to put something otherwise it'd be a mysterious blank post...
HI Harold many thanks for tryin an ive treid an others have treid to help but to no avale as I live in a low megabyte area an my pc just wont do it as it runs very slow but at least with the piclinks I can show the build pics an yes I would have been scratchin my head wonderin what you was goin to say so cheers for that an I wonder why you cant
delete any posts ? on here
ATB stay safe chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 24, 2020, 09:15:24 pm
HELLO all update time building that big hanger an here are the bits to make it already to be put togeather https://ibb.co/PFr9CbB
(https://i.ibb.co/k5G9crY/IMG-5172.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on April 24, 2020, 09:17:58 pm
https://ibb.co/L8nVKw6
(https://i.ibb.co/8061k32/IMG-5174.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on April 24, 2020, 09:19:52 pm
Seaking in hanger https://ibb.co/BghV7QJ
(https://i.ibb.co/tb0MNv6/IMG-5180.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on April 24, 2020, 09:21:35 pm
testin for height against the chopper https://ibb.co/dK4VDqb
(https://i.ibb.co/SvwMB8Q/IMG-5181.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on April 24, 2020, 09:23:45 pm
halfbuilt chopper to see if it looks ok an to me it does https://ibb.co/QXzDFCQ
(https://i.ibb.co/WsqVWP5/IMG-5182.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on April 24, 2020, 09:28:03 pm
overall view of hanger today I built in all the front section will post them pics next update https://ibb.co/RSsc0LG :-)) chris
(https://i.ibb.co/vBTkP2C/IMG-5185.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on April 24, 2020, 09:31:22 pm
Coming along well
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Post by: frogman3 on April 30, 2020, 07:53:30 am
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 02, 2020, 08:07:03 am
UPDATE well ive built in the hanger front an built the hanger doors https://ibb.co/Z1qFGqN
(https://i.ibb.co/VpfzJf3/IMG-5216.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on June 02, 2020, 08:12:44 am
an here ive just fitted in the radar motorgear box as this must be done now an I will also fit the CPT unit as its a voltage reducer to cut down the power from 12v to 5.3v for said motor https://ibb.co/vH0zB99
(https://i.ibb.co/jTn45tt/IMG-5228.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on June 02, 2020, 08:17:07 am
an back to the hanger doors to get them so they will open an close by R/C an im gonna fit two servos under the hanger floor an so I can do it slowy ive bought this handy little gadget too work the servos slowly https://ibb.co/NxmyLnM
(https://i.ibb.co/31MC0Yn/IMG-5264.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on June 02, 2020, 08:19:10 am
pic of what ive got so far https://ibb.co/JzLvNVW
(https://i.ibb.co/FBv592k/IMG-5231.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on June 02, 2020, 08:22:45 am
now getting the H-DOORS workin ive fitted in a pushrod that will pull the h -door up an down from a servo https://ibb.co/vJs79Ct (https://ibb.co/vJs79Ct) (https://i.ibb.co/P5T7ksS/IMG-5256.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on June 02, 2020, 08:24:45 am
front view to show the push rod goin down to the servo on the underside https://ibb.co/JKMfRwc (https://ibb.co/JKMfRwc)
(https://i.ibb.co/jT1cvP8/IMG-5257.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 02, 2020, 08:26:47 am
servo mounted below ready to pull the pushrod up an down on the h -door https://ibb.co/8zyhh5n (https://ibb.co/8zyhh5n) (https://i.ibb.co/hXGqqWx/IMG-5258.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 02, 2020, 08:29:03 am
an it works lovely up an down https://ibb.co/tJWbjbn# (https://ibb.co/tJWbjbn#)
(https://i.ibb.co/fxPC6CZ/IMG-5259.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 02, 2020, 08:30:42 am
door opens ok https://ibb.co/8gxkk07 (https://ibb.co/8gxkk07)
(https://i.ibb.co/9H4PPNr/IMG-5260.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on June 02, 2020, 08:31:50 am
an now halfway to closein https://ibb.co/5cK36Zh (https://ibb.co/5cK36Zh)
(https://i.ibb.co/DKrFtdf/IMG-5261.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on June 02, 2020, 08:33:16 am
and shut https://ibb.co/NKnKD8J (https://ibb.co/NKnKD8J)
(https://i.ibb.co/0rVr4g6/IMG-5262.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 02, 2020, 08:35:29 am
I bought a servo morphough so that hopefully it will open an close the doors slowly https://ibb.co/mNj1CBp (https://ibb.co/mNj1CBp)
(https://i.ibb.co/BnpdVPk/IMG-5272.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 02, 2020, 08:40:06 am
Now back to that radar motor getting this going an whoever designed the main mast well its sitting half on the hanger an half off so that makes it awkward to get the main radar shaft up in the front wall https://ibb.co/fdMLrZq (https://ibb.co/fdMLrZq)
(https://i.ibb.co/SwNGVH5/IMG-5273.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on June 02, 2020, 08:42:19 am
but its done https://ibb.co/718jBqr (https://ibb.co/718jBqr)
(https://i.ibb.co/1mh7BkR/IMG-5274.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on June 02, 2020, 08:47:31 am
an the radar shaft built an fitted with a square brass box section as the top mast will be able to lift off so a smaller bit of box section will be fitted to it an then able to drop in the motor shaft to turn said radars https://ibb.co/mqS88Xy (https://ibb.co/mqS88Xy)
(https://i.ibb.co/0MQttF9/IMG-5276.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on June 02, 2020, 08:49:34 am
an fitted in the front wall https://ibb.co/pfQSXsg (https://ibb.co/pfQSXsg)
(https://i.ibb.co/c6wjTpP/IMG-5284.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on June 02, 2020, 08:54:47 am
Now back to that other H-DOOR an I've had to fit in a cross member to take the second push-rod to hold it tight so that when the door is open it wont be seen an the wire ties will be cut off when I get the other servo fitted https://ibb.co/5KymXsH (https://ibb.co/5KymXsH)
(https://i.ibb.co/QDRL7Yw/IMG-5285.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on June 02, 2020, 08:56:35 am
an it work ok https://ibb.co/556Fv6V (https://ibb.co/556Fv6V)
(https://i.ibb.co/VvtmDt8/IMG-5287.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 02, 2020, 09:01:52 am
an just a tester pic of three Seakings fitted in the h -bay an to me to tight a fit so I will properly fit two in the h-bay an two out on the flight-deck but will see on that but that's as far as I've got on this build bye for now :-)) chris https://ibb.co/r47TmLG (https://ibb.co/r47TmLG)
(https://i.ibb.co/Wgxq6dW/IMG-5289.jpg)
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Post by: Martin (Admin) on June 02, 2020, 05:31:41 pm
( Linked photos embedded into posts - Admin ) :-))
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Post by: frogman3 on June 02, 2020, 06:05:51 pm
OH MANY THANKS Martin its nice to see the pics cheers for doin this wish I could but my pc is just not up to the job as I live in a very slow megabyte area :-)) all best chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Martin (Admin) on June 02, 2020, 08:50:09 pm
No problem, we're loving your build. :-))
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Post by: frogman3 on June 02, 2020, 10:27:34 pm
OH THANK YOU Martin :-)) glad you likein the build i'll post more links when Ive built some more as this is gonna be a long build cheers all best to you stay safe chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: RST on June 02, 2020, 10:44:07 pm
I posted some instructions earlier in your build how to get pics showing on the forum from your hosting account. It's just a tad different from what I thought was "normal" but once the first is done as I showed, just a copy and paste job. If you can upload to imbb or whatever then it's no stress on mayhem account or your computer, actually it's better you have your own account as you have more control and it takes the heat off here as a forum rather then a pic hosting site which usually incurs more costs. You can of course just post an "attachment" each post rather than a weblink?
Great build so far by the way.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: ballastanksian on June 03, 2020, 08:11:54 pm
I love that work you have done on the hangar and think the doors working is extra special.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 03, 2020, 10:13:29 pm
I love that work you have done on the hangar and think the doors working is extra special.
HI
ballastanksian glad you like the build an the hangar is getting kind of complex with the working doors an thank you for your kind comments :-)) there is still a lot to get working in the hangar like the lights an the flood light to light up the flight deck an ive also still got to make up the mainmast an get the radars built an goin so it will keep me busy for a while an thank you for lookin in on the build
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all the best chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: ballastanksian on June 04, 2020, 10:43:32 pm
No worries Chris, its work like this and Stan's and others work that is massaging the model boating enthusiasm back into my veins.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 05, 2020, 07:11:38 am
No worries Chris, its work like this and Stan's and others work that is massaging the model boating enthusiasm back into my veins.
HI AGAIN
ballastanksian well I hope you get back into the hobby as I find its very relaxin (when things go right that is ) but this is a great hobby with this lockdown im hardly out of my model room except for tiffin when the wife cooked it that is
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chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: ballastanksian on June 05, 2020, 08:48:36 am
I think it is partly that last push to complete a model, where the challenges are past that make a project frustrating and annoying but also rewarding when you have solved the riddle of whatever was challenging you. That and time.
I am doing railings and that isn't very challenging {:-{
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 05, 2020, 12:36:09 pm
I think it is partly that last push to complete a model, where the challenges are past that make a project frustrating and annoying but also rewarding when you have solved the riddle of whatever was challenging you. That and time.
I am doing railings and that isn't very challenging {:-{
HI AGAIN
=ballastanksian it is if you make them your self as that's what I have done on my HMS NORFOLK type 23
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chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: warspite on June 05, 2020, 01:40:45 pm
Are the helicopter hanger doors roller shutters? jus wondered
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Post by: frogman3 on June 05, 2020, 02:41:34 pm
Are the helicopter hanger doors roller shutters? jus wondered
HI
warspite yes they are on the real ship an if you look closely you can see the line across the door 's meaning to simulate the roller shutter door but each link on the doors is only about 1mm so it would be very difficult to make proper roller shutter doors hence my idea
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chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: warspite on June 05, 2020, 06:46:30 pm
I Thought it was, with time on my hands I was thinking of how to make a roller shutter door at 1/72, I have a similar helicopter hanger on a stalled rescue ship (its a cardboard prototype hull based on a castle class size hull).
I have a concept and will have a go at proving it when the current project is finished
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 05, 2020, 07:31:24 pm
I Thought it was, with time on my hands I was thinking of how to make a roller shutter door at 1/72, I have a similar helicopter hanger on a stalled rescue ship (its a cardboard prototype hull based on a castle class size hull).
I have a concept and will have a go at proving it when the current project is finished
OK
warspite be nice to see your concept as I also had an idea of how to make one an that was usein the plasticard with the groves goin across an usein a very fine sharp blade cut it in to strip an then gluein it to a very thin rubber backin to roll up an down on a round bar in the guide rails but I don't think its worth all the trouble much easyier my way an it opens an closes which is what I want it to do
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chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 07, 2020, 08:39:10 pm
HI ALL a few more linkpics an here I bought a servo morph to slow down my hangar doors opening an its great an it work both servos to work both doors https://ibb.co/cgJCqKC (https://ibb.co/cgJCqKC)
(https://i.ibb.co/mDJXprX/IMG-5303.jpghttp://)
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Post by: frogman3 on June 07, 2020, 08:41:19 pm
an here they are fixed to the hangar underside https://ibb.co/KNgck9M (https://ibb.co/KNgck9M)
(https://i.ibb.co/yhCm18w/IMG-5293.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on June 07, 2020, 08:48:08 pm
An a shot of the both hangar doors open an its on its side so the servo wont hit the bench https://ibb.co/2y9rGZb (https://ibb.co/2y9rGZb) :-))
(https://i.ibb.co/80Cw1Yh/IMG-5314.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on June 07, 2020, 08:51:47 pm
here a pic of the second H-DOOR open with a half built seaking https://ibb.co/cY9mJTp (https://ibb.co/cY9mJTp)
(https://i.ibb.co/KKg16yQ/IMG-5290.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on June 07, 2020, 08:54:29 pm
an a couple of shots of her as I thought id put her togeather to see if all my efforts are payin off an im very pleased she looks great https://ibb.co/Z85PWdQ (https://ibb.co/Z85PWdQ)
(https://i.ibb.co/swnGyjT/IMG-5320.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on June 07, 2020, 08:55:12 pm
https://ibb.co/q97Ydz3 (https://ibb.co/q97Ydz3)
(https://i.ibb.co/gwmZ3GL/IMG-5321.jpg)
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Post by: ballastanksian on June 08, 2020, 10:13:19 pm
There's some lovely work going into that build :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 08, 2020, 10:30:49 pm
There's some lovely work going into that build :-))
HI
ballastanksian CHEERS for your comment on the build :-))
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chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: raflaunches on June 08, 2020, 10:35:50 pm
Hi Chris
Excellent work, really enjoying your build and gives me inspiration for my Tiger (1/96 scale). Unfortunately my model requires some TLC but your build is stunning. :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 09, 2020, 08:28:30 am
Excellent work, really enjoying your build and gives me inspiration for my Tiger (1/96 scale). Unfortunately my model requires some TLC but your build is stunning. :-))
HI
raflaunches WOW its really nice to see another HMS TIGER on here an exscuse me for sayin but how come she needs the TLC whats she been standin in a shed or something as my HMS NORFOLK an HMS TIGER are all indoors to keep them in nice condition as I have collectors wanting to buy them but ive said no but they say they are willing to wait but up to them. maybe in the future I may change my mind
But back to your model she is a beautifull model even as she is now with all the detail on her she must have been a really nice model when she was new an are you goin to give her that TLC an repenlish her up to new condition ? an may I download the picture for future reference to help me build my model ? as on the plans it only shows so much its nothing like lookin at a real model that stands out in 3D you might say but many thanks for showin me the model chris
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Post by: frogman3 on June 09, 2020, 08:35:45 am
HI again
raflaunches any chance of seein a couple more pics from different angles an the flight deck an I see no nav lights fitted on her as ive been told by another gent on here where they are an to me it seem a weird postion to fit them but if they were there then that's where I will fit them an is this ship a all scratchbuilt model or a GRP HULL ? :-))
chris :-))
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: raflaunches on June 09, 2020, 10:34:07 am
Hi Chris
The photo I attached to my last post makes the model look in a lot better condition than it really is unfortunately. I got the model last Saturday and I was told that when the previous modeller bought it the owner before had painted it rather heavily with paint and a brush, and stuck non standard bits to it. The last owner had tried to remove the paint but had struggled with it- I don’t blame him either, I have removed paint from the superstructure and it took me three batteries and 20 coarse abrasive pads on an orbital sander to get to bare wood! It’s all scratchbuilt and won awards in Scotland many years ago but I have had to carefully remove the surviving detail and get the paint off so it doesn’t look like the picture I posted before anymore! I have been given some pictures and I’ll have a look through them tonight of the real Tiger and I’ll let you know what I find. I’ve tried to attach some pictures to this post but my ICloud is messing around so I’ll try tonight to upload some pictures of my model. :-))
All the best Nick
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Capt Podge on June 09, 2020, 10:49:33 am
Hi Chris & Nick, I found this one through Google - hope it helps in your quest https://images.app.goo.gl/Q1c8HGeNW24w8EAQ9
Regards, Ray.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 09, 2020, 12:41:30 pm
OK Nick hopein to see some pics cheers chris :-)) O0 :-)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 09, 2020, 12:46:36 pm
Hi Chris & Nick, I found this one through Google - hope it helps in your quest https://images.app.goo.gl/Q1c8HGeNW24w8EAQ9 (https://images.app.goo.gl/Q1c8HGeNW24w8EAQ9)
Regards, Ray.
AN Ray to you as well many thanks for the link as im now goin to work on tigers foremast latcework an I will have a look through your link tonight as the days go so quick as me an the missus have just cut our two big lawns an if im not carefull I wont have time to do any usefull work on tiger so up an away to the man cave to build chris :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: raflaunches on June 09, 2020, 03:24:24 pm
Hi Chris
These are the other pictures as bought. The mast and radar metal work are absolutely stunning which was what attracted me towards the model.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: raflaunches on June 09, 2020, 03:27:18 pm
Forgot to attach the last few :embarrassed:
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 09, 2020, 04:58:43 pm
HI Nick well many thanks for the quick reply an the pics are great these will give me quite a lot of usefull info TO STUDY :-)) as ive had to use moddelers licence on my hangar bay as my doors open an shut so ive had to raise the roof a bit to get the seaking in an out through the H-DOORS O0 as tiger had weesex helo's on her before the seaking an the seakings are taller
so a H-door modiforcation was needed an yes im like you I was a
[size=0.85em] attracted to it as there was so many things that could be made to work an ive just sent off for a sound system for her from components shop anyway thanks for lookin in on the build an the great pics as on some other forums you normally might get an answer about once a month an that's why im on mayhem at least people talk back an forth which to me is what a forum is all about an hope you manage to get your tiger sorted are you goin to do a thread ? as id be following as it would be nice to see her come back to life ATB [/size][/color]
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[size=0.85em]STAY SAFE chris[/size][/color]
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 09, 2020, 05:03:20 pm
AN Nick is it ok for me to download your pics so I can zoom in on them an study the details ? chris ;) O0 :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: raflaunches on June 09, 2020, 05:35:05 pm
Hi Chris
Of course you can :-))
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Post by: frogman3 on June 09, 2020, 06:51:13 pm
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on June 09, 2020, 09:06:18 pm
Chris I assume you mean me when you say "other gent" Not sure why you don't believe the evidence of your eyes as to location of the nav light on the 1/1 Tiger, but to refresh here it is again. should help Nick The image of her floating is I think yours taken a long time ago at Glasgow boat club
Bob (https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2020/06/09/Scan0042.jpg) (https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2020/06/09/Scan0048.jpg)
raflaunches any chance of seein a couple more pics from different angles an the flight deck an I see no nav lights fitted on her as ive been told by another gent on here where they are an to me it seem a weird postion to fit them but if they were there then that's where I will fit them an is this ship a all scratchbuilt model or a GRP HULL ? :-))
chris :-))
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on June 09, 2020, 09:25:42 pm
Just so you can see what the inside of the hangar was like and the detail on the mast
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: raflaunches on June 09, 2020, 09:28:59 pm
Hi Bob
That’s definitely my Tiger, I recognise certain features from the bits I have left! The model was unfortunately ruined with a heavy handed paint finish which the previous owner had tried to undo but as I’ve found out it’s really tough paint to remove- I’ve been informed that it was real ships paint!
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 09, 2020, 10:47:09 pm
HI Bob I hope I havnt offened you over this nav light business an if I have im sorry an I appolagise to you :embarrassed: but I just got the wrong end of the stick as to their postion on the ship as to me when you shew me the model pics of the ship I mistakenly thought they were right near the bottom bridge on the deck an that was where I was gonna put them but many thanks to you for showin the 1to1 pic an now I see an now ive looked on my plans they are shown on them SORRY about that but I just dint pick up on it (duh lol) as I don't mind sayin this is the most complicaited ship ive ever treid to build but she comin on ATB stay safe chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: deadbeat on June 10, 2020, 11:50:32 am
As an aside the pictures of a ship being broken up is of Blake, and I worked on her for a very short while as an apprentice during her refit in Porstmouth where she acquired the hangar. What I found interesting is she is the only ship that I'd seen an expansion joint in the upper deck. You can see it quite clearly in the photo of Blake's upper deck, its the transverse line just before the start of the hangar structure aft of the Seacat mountings. Boring I know to be interested in such things, good luck with the model.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 10, 2020, 12:38:26 pm
As an aside the pictures of a ship being broken up is of Blake, and I worked on her for a very short while as an apprentice during her refit in Porstmouth where she acquired the hangar. What I found interesting is she is the only ship that I'd seen an expansion joint in the upper deck. You can see it quite clearly in the photo of Blake's upper deck, its the transverse line just before the start of the hangar structure aft of the Seacat mountings. Boring I know to be interested in such things, good luck with the model.
HI
deadbeat I DARENT look at the pic as to me its a heartbreaker but I just had a quick shufty an yes you are right its an expansion joint I never knew this that's something ive learned today an yes im gonna need plenty of luck with this model as it the hardest model ive ever built makes my big USS NIMITZ CVN 68 aircraft carrier in 1/144 scale seem like a walk in the park thanks for lookin in
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chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on June 10, 2020, 09:52:45 pm
Deadbeat, well aware it is Blake, got loys of scrapping, simply used for illustration purposes
As an aside the pictures of a ship being broken up is of Blake, and I worked on her for a very short while as an apprentice during her refit in Porstmouth where she acquired the hangar. What I found interesting is she is the only ship that I'd seen an expansion joint in the upper deck. You can see it quite clearly in the photo of Blake's upper deck, its the transverse line just before the start of the hangar structure aft of the Seacat mountings. Boring I know to be interested in such things, good luck with the model.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on June 10, 2020, 09:53:35 pm
HI Bob I hope I havnt offened you over this nav light business an if I have im sorry an I appolagise to you :embarrassed: but I just got the wrong end of the stick as to their postion on the ship as to me when you shew me the model pics of the ship I mistakenly thought they were right near the bottom bridge on the deck an that was where I was gonna put them but many thanks to you for showin the 1to1 pic an now I see an now ive looked on my plans they are shown on them SORRY about that but I just dint pick up on it (duh lol) as I don't mind sayin this is the most complicaited ship ive ever treid to build but she comin on ATB stay safe chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on June 10, 2020, 09:58:34 pm
Nick this is what I was talking about the other day when we were talking Tigers. Harrier trials on BLAKE, convert your to her and have something different to all those helos. :)
Bob (https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2020/06/10/large_000000.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on June 10, 2020, 10:13:59 pm
Just to give you an idea of the quarter deck layout, although again this is Snakey Blakey (her nickname) the same is for Tiger
Nick this is what I was talking about the other day when we were talking Tigers. Harrier trials on BLAKE, convert your to her and have something different to all those helos. :)
Bob (https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2020/06/10/large_000000.jpg)
HI Bob an Nick yes I was shown this pic by a boaty friend about janury time as I was tryin to get my seaking helo's kits as cheap as possible an he said why not stick a harrier on the flight deck like the pic above.
An I may do yet ok2 but what I was thinkin at the time was well I like to get things workin so with a seaking there is a lot to make work eg. workin main rortars an tail rotars 'an nav lights LED's fitted 'an landin lights 'an interior lights. But against the harrier it can only have workin nav lights an landin lights so quite a difference there but I may make the models both so that they can both fit the same gold pickup's in the flightdeck so I can just swop them around an it will be more instrersting to the public to see two different macheines on the deck. ok2 ;D
As when I had my NIMITZ in shows I had people mostly women comin back an relookin at al the detail on the ship as some women were sayin every time I look at your ship I see something different an then the questions come in a barrage an my wife jen then has to help me out as at times AS there would be severall people askin questions on something different an I went into overload so jen is my P/A to the public lol Chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Aerodecked on June 11, 2020, 12:20:31 pm
Chris, surely you can make the instrument panel & HUD light up too ;) And for a real challenge... have the vectored thrust nozzles rotate %%
Rob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 11, 2020, 01:28:05 pm
Chris, surely you can make the instrument panel & HUD light up too ;) And for a real challenge... have the vectored thrust nozzles rotate %%
Rob
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OH HI Rob well that's a bit ;D {-) lol but if the harrier was say a 1/24 scale so big enough to see I might have attempted it but I like your ;D an it made me {-) lol but some day someone maybe crazy enough to want to try it O0 {-) all best to you chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 15, 2020, 08:00:21 pm
HI ALL update Well all wk ive been makin this not all of it just the main foremast
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 15, 2020, 08:20:55 pm
... and I am going to work the radars from an old servo that's been made free running powered by the CTP that converts 12v down to 5.3 v an I realise I've got the wrong crown-gear in the mast to work the navigation radar so I had to swap it for a bigger yellow one close up of it
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 15, 2020, 08:36:44 pm
Not thinking >>:-( <*< I thought id need a crown gear on the top to drive the main front radar but after a bit of thought I was thinking well I just don't know how big a gear I'll need so I fitted this gear as a try out when I've fitted the R-MOTOR
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 15, 2020, 08:41:52 pm
An a close up shot so all these gears will need to be tested as when one gear is fitted on to another it revolves in the opposite direction so quite a bit of patience is gonna be required to get this all working right
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on June 26, 2020, 04:37:40 pm
Hi Chris, Novel way to have the hanger doors working. :-)) She come a long way keep the good work up, enjoying the build.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 26, 2020, 05:44:52 pm
HI Dave yea she is an im very pleased with her an glad you likein the build an how the hangar doors work :-)) an i hope to fit on some more pic links tonight chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 26, 2020, 08:52:55 pm
UPDATE TIME WELL I've had to use a bit of modellers license on the top radar gearbox as had to cover in the gears
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 26, 2020, 09:01:56 pm
next pic is the top radar as its raised up by an inch so i built it like that but with another small gearbox with twin gears so the radar will turn the right way
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: ballastanksian on June 26, 2020, 09:18:16 pm
Technical work. I like that mast. You have put a lot of work into that and you haven't even finished it yet.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 26, 2020, 09:21:22 pm
top veiw shot an there has got to be alot more fitted on to the mast before i can say its finished but for the moment waiting for some more brass rod off ebay an the radars are just rough balsa for the moment to see if they are goin at the right about speed an im happy with them https://ibb.co/2tDdxwN (https://ibb.co/2tDdxwN) chris
(https://i.ibb.co/ncHj9TC/IMG-5392.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 26, 2020, 09:32:17 pm
Technical work. I like that mast. You have put a lot of work into that and you haven't even finished it yet.
HI [size=78%]ballastanksian YES ITS been a labour of love as i love doin this type of modeling tryin to get things workin an yes there is a heck of a lot more to fit on to this mast beforei can say done as its very complcaited an thanks for lookin in on the thread cheers [/size] [/size][size=78%]chris[/size]
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Martin (Admin) on June 27, 2020, 01:19:28 am
Images upload to posts Chris! -Martin :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 27, 2020, 06:46:10 am
HI Martin many thanks for uploading pics very nice of you for taken the time to do it :-)) chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on June 27, 2020, 01:45:27 pm
Chris I don't quite follow the large boxes you have on the mast, as they do not appear on the drawings or on images of the real ships., I assume it is poetic licence to hide the gears included some of the RN model showing the mast set up.
Chris I don't quite follow the large boxes you have on the mast, as they do not appear on the drawings or on images of the real ships., I assume it is poetic licence to hide the gears included some of the RN model showing the mast set up.
Bob
HI Bob you have answered your own question as i said i was usein a bit of moddelers licence to get these radars workin hence the gearboxs which when i get all the railings an such on they wont be so noticeable ATB Chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on June 27, 2020, 07:50:16 pm
Cheers Chris looks like there will be a world shortage of cogs and gears by time you are done, along with the rack and pinion for CVA antennae operation that I have used.
At long last we are now allowed back to sailing, been to long, but no car for at least another week :((
Bob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 27, 2020, 09:17:53 pm
Cheers Chris looks like there will be a world shortage of cogs and gears by time you are done, along with the rack and pinion for CVA antennae operation that I have used.
At long last we are now allowed back to sailing, been to long, but no car for at least another week :((
Bob
HI AGAIN Bob yes i think there will be a shortage %) ;) [size=78%] but its fun tryin to get things goin on these models is'nt it an yes i know its not the correct mountin for these radars but its the best that i can do in this scale an hope your anntenna works ok [/size] [/size][size=78%]cris [/size]
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 27, 2020, 09:22:41 pm
AN Bob what up with your car ? an is it officail that we can go sailin ? chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on June 28, 2020, 11:19:35 am
Re: the antennae, if you look at the latest CVA video on here you will see them in action, rack and pinion working all three in time with each other.
car is brakes will not bleed, only been three months, now trying to fix it, but a lot of that time is due to the virus, seems the abs unit is shot, hopefully back this week.
sailing, I can only talk for my club in Gloucester.. one site is still closed, the docks you can sail on our normal day which is Saturday, with no pre booking, as long as social distance is kept, very easy to do there. Our other site is by booking a slot on sailing days, our portacabin is closed so food and drink and chairs have to be brought, limited numbers and social distancing. Not perfect but better than nothing.
Bob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: ballastanksian on June 28, 2020, 06:48:54 pm
Oh, I have car troubles. I think the starter motor is failing and possibly the battery or alternator is likewise.
Mind you, the alternator has experienced five years of periodic flooding on our country lanes so I would not be surprised if this was an issue.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 28, 2020, 08:59:10 pm
HI Bob an ballastanksian sorry to hear of your car trobles an can only hope you can get them fixed now :-)) chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on June 28, 2020, 10:33:32 pm
Chirs So do I, especially as I have used the down time to build the carry case for CVA hull and her island, :((
Bob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 29, 2020, 06:53:43 am
HI Bob an ballastanksian is there no garages open nr you so you can get the cars fixed ? <:( chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: ballastanksian on June 29, 2020, 09:07:40 am
Oh yes, I have contacted them. They might be able to pop up tis afternoon.
Anyhow, let's not hogg this fine thread with our car woes. Hows your build going? S
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 29, 2020, 10:54:57 am
Oh yes, I have contacted them. They might be able to pop up tis afternoon.
Anyhow, let's not hogg this fine thread with our car woes. Hows your build going? S
HI [size=78%]ballastanksian well the build is still underway an i cant do anymore at the moment on the front foremast as still waiting for some brass rod to come from ebay[/size] >>:-( <*< [/size][size=78%] but this morn ive had a email from HERMES to say they will be delivering a parcel soon soon i hope thats it so ive gone back to the rear main mast to try an an build that with both workin radars an so far ive built a fair amount of it if i have time i'll post the pics of it tonight on here [/size] :-)) chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on June 29, 2020, 12:14:05 pm
Chris As you are going to be doing the mainmast thought these might be of use to you
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 29, 2020, 12:44:30 pm
OH Cheers Bob for the pics im hopein to put some pics of what ive built of it so far on the site tonight an again ive used modelers licence as had to fit in hatches for access to the workin parts as they must be there in case anything like on the gears shaft start slippin but im tryin to keep it as origdinale as possible AN Bob regards the funnels i know im not buildin them yet ive been lookin at them an wondered why they have them big pipes comin out of the deck to the funnel what are these the pipes from the boilers ? as i thought they would just come up underneathe the funnel' s under the deck ? ATB STAY SAFE chris :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 29, 2020, 06:55:14 pm
update HI ALL a few more linkpics of what ive been doin on her here ive fitted on the hanger bay roof an the brass shaft goin up is just a tester to see if this inner shaft fits ok into the main drive brass box section from the motor gearbox an it does so it will be cut to size later https://ibb.co/HPftPkm
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 29, 2020, 06:57:10 pm
AN a close up shot
(https://i.ibb.co/Wvg6yY8/IMG-5398.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 29, 2020, 07:03:15 pm
Now here I've now cut out most of the main mast an on the right is the main radar shaft with its gears
(https://i.ibb.co/qkqB18c/IMG-5399.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 29, 2020, 07:09:23 pm
in this next pic I've had a think an i realize that i will need inspection hatches to check every thing is going ok as this mast will lift of for servicing
(https://i.ibb.co/N62cBBG/IMG-5400.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 29, 2020, 07:11:02 pm
now starting to glue the mast together an inspection hatch in now fitted in on its hinges to open an close
(https://i.ibb.co/c60DtQL/IMG-5401.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 29, 2020, 07:15:06 pm
an its slowly coming together
(https://i.ibb.co/GTKcw9z/IMG-5402.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 29, 2020, 07:21:09 pm
an the mast is together an the main radar shaft is just laid on the plans to see if ive got it right an i have an i'll just say in case anyone notices it but on the shaft the yellow crown gear has got to go on upside down so the radar will rotate in the right way in the next updates it will be all put together hopefully unless a problem but so far as i can see no prob
(https://i.ibb.co/hRKTxby/IMG-5403.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on July 02, 2020, 10:30:41 am
Chris In answer to your question on the large pipes alongside tiger class, it seems they are uptake/down takes and also incorporate emergency vents. Hat to wait for answers from the guys.
Bob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 02, 2020, 11:19:04 pm
Chris In answer to your question on the large pipes alongside tiger class, it seems they are uptake/down takes and also incorporate emergency vents. Hat to wait for answers from the guys.
Bob
MANY THANKS Bob for your answer on funnel pipes on tiger cheers chris :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: ballastanksian on July 03, 2020, 10:38:16 pm
I suppose give her original laying down date, she still had a lot of old tech in her. Wat with those radar arrays, that will be a brilliant mast set up. All that mesh!
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 04, 2020, 06:44:00 am
I suppose give her original laying down date, she still had a lot of old tech in her. Wat with those radar arrays, that will be a brilliant mast set up. All that mesh!
HI [size=78%]ballastanksian YES im lookin forward to makeing an fitting on her all her radars but this will not happen till nr the end of the build to avoid damage to the radars scanners as you say all that mesh especially the main search radars an that a while away but im really enjoyin the build [/size][/size]especially with this lockdown an i must say the months since it started for me anyway have flown through as this is such an intresting ship to build an to try an get some items to work mini engineerin [/size]ATB an thanks for lookin in on the build [/size]chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 04, 2020, 06:50:33 am
HI again [size=0px]ballastanksian sorry about how the last blog went with big letters an then small but im havin trouble with this damm pc it keeps alterin all that i type in [/size] >>:-( <*< it all started with the last lot of updates chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: derekwarner on July 04, 2020, 10:42:35 am
....so frogram3 says ....."havin trouble with this damm pc[size=0px]" [/size]
No, not your PC......I believe this issue is some form of instability with a software architectural glitch ......you like many have only experienced this since an <*< upgrade some time back
You will see [size=0px]"[/size] in my message...I did not type this script....... :kiss:
Derek
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 04, 2020, 01:18:07 pm
HI Derek if not this pc then its bloomin ole sky connection then as its keep sayin you are not connected to the web an this happens a lot ive tried complainin but all i got from them was they put up my subs by a fair amount when my contrack is up im givin them the ole heave ho >>:-( <*< chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 08, 2020, 09:25:50 am
HI Bob im havin trouble tryin to sort out what the super struckure is like between the rear funnel an the front of the rear main mast as on my plans there are so many lines its difficult to see whats what so have you by any chance got some photo's of this area that you can post for me if possible ? many thanks if you can cheers an hope you are well chris :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on July 08, 2020, 09:54:11 am
Chris Again from MoD model, hope this clarifies, its not to difficult once you see it. note how close the radar is to the mainmast.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 08, 2020, 04:59:41 pm
OH Cheers Bob an many thanks you have done your self proud just the pics i wanted youre a very nice guy CHEERS an yes i see the radar but im thinkin about it AN WE HOPE YOU AN YOUR WIFE ARE OK :-)) CHRIS
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: derekwarner on July 09, 2020, 02:07:17 am
Oh dear........a GWS20 Seacat Launcher.... {-) ....terrible units to maintain......no spares.....bad documentation :(( ....poor reliability
Their best chance of colliding with something was a large fish when the rockets motor ran out of puff :o ....or burnt a hole in the deck if a Missile did not release
Derek
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 09, 2020, 06:23:57 am
HI ALL well the main mast is built apart from fitting on the cross members on the mast but will fit them at a later date.So next im gonna build some more S/S an probably the funnels from the pics that Bob has very kindly posted for me what a nice gent he is cheers :-)) Chris
(https://i.ibb.co/wJJj06G/IMG-5423.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 09, 2020, 06:40:10 am
AN in the main mast the radar motor's gearbox to radar shaft started slipping as the old collet i fitted wont hold the shaft tight enough >>:-( <*< as the tiny grub screw was damaged so i stripped out the motor (thank goodness i made all this to come apart for servicing ) an refitted a new brass collet with a good Allen grub screw an now it wont slip no more as its very tight
(https://i.ibb.co/Xk303DL/IMG-5415.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 09, 2020, 06:45:15 am
AN while I'm talking about this main mast i was looking at that big search radar a plans shot of it
(https://i.ibb.co/1QvxJT9/IMG-5424.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 09, 2020, 06:51:35 am
I thought its gonna be very difficult to build so i contacted fleetscale for a p/e one an i was very lucky to get his last one so im a happy chap it came by postie yesterday so hopefully it should set the model off when ive built it
(https://i.ibb.co/wd04j9S/IMG-5418.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: derekwarner on July 09, 2020, 07:09:21 am
This will be superb detail for the Search Radar.........will it be painted?, or chemically blackened to maintain the delicate structure?
Derek
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 09, 2020, 08:44:49 am
HI im just gonna spray it matt light gray like it is in some pics of the real thing as sprayin will keep the [size=0px]delicate structure? how it should be as ive sprayed radar like this before an no problem an it looks realistic[/size] [/size][size=0px]chris[/size]
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 14, 2020, 12:48:51 pm
HI again Bob sorry to bother you again but any chance of some pics of the area around the rear funnel as im now gonna try to build the s/s cheers if you can an hope you are ok chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on July 14, 2020, 02:26:05 pm
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 14, 2020, 04:32:31 pm
HI Bob many thanks for the pic,s youre a lifesaver an a nice gent CHEERS :-)) gonna be difficult to build this part though as there is a lot of struckeres crammed in on the deck chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: ballastanksian on July 14, 2020, 08:25:47 pm
I wish you well with your radar build. That looks like an epic kit, which if it is designed well for easy construction, will be a work of art when completed.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on July 14, 2020, 08:51:09 pm
Chris Once you study it there is not a lot in the way, if you make the cabin, virtually all the detail ias on that, ford you have the intakes on the rear of the aft funnel and aft of the cabin is open space till you look at main mast. Hope this makes sense.
I have used several different manufactures of the bedstead, and they very very simple to build, just need steady hand and patience
Bob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 14, 2020, 10:21:09 pm
I wish you well with your radar build. That looks like an epic kit, which if it is designed well for easy construction, will be a work of art when completed.
HI ballastanksian (https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=14161) MANY thanks for your good wishes on the radar an yes it looks a bit complex but i hope i can build it an hope it looks ok to all an sorry about this bold lettering but this bloomin pc is playin up again ATB CHRIS[size=0.85em][/size][/size]
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Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 14, 2020, 10:34:09 pm
Chris Once you study it there is not a lot in the way, if you make the cabin, virtually all the detail ias on that, ford you have the intakes on the rear of the aft funnel and aft of the cabin is open space till you look at main mast. Hope this makes sense.
I have used several different manufactures of the bedstead, and they very very simple to build, just need steady hand and patience
Bob
OK Cheers Bob ive been studyin the pics thank you an im now a lot wiser than before as on my plans the lines run every where so not to easy so a bit of guess work but hopefully the pics will help as my brand new printer is rubbish an it only works when it wants to an the inks only make about 6 pics soi'll have to study the pics on pc an regards that radar well we'll see as i havnt got a steady hand an get the shakes at time so ive got to start off calm an hope it will come together ok ATB chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 15, 2020, 12:19:55 pm
Chris Once you study it there is not a lot in the way, if you make the cabin, virtually all the detail ias on that, ford you have the intakes on the rear of the aft funnel and aft of the cabin is open space till you look at main mast. Hope this makes sense.
I have used several different manufactures of the bedstead, and they very very simple to build, just need steady hand and patience
Bob
AN HI again Bob regards that bedstead radar well i have a 1/96 scale one that im goin to practise on before i try an build the 1/72 scale one so if i make any mistakes i'll be wiser on the the big 1/72 scale one so that will help me a lot cheers chris :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 24, 2020, 08:20:02 am
HI ALL now another small update on whats happening on her here in this shot I'm built most of the main mast but now its been stripped down to have the RED 2MM A/C LED'S fitted
(https://i.ibb.co/ZT1b6Gs/IMG-5447.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 24, 2020, 08:23:17 am
here I'm now making up the yardarm i think its called for the main mast cross member
(https://i.ibb.co/kcV2QgF/IMG-5450.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 24, 2020, 08:25:24 am
AN DONE
(https://i.ibb.co/nDZw62y/IMG-5451.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 24, 2020, 08:29:37 am
IN this pic its been all filed down an cleaned up ready to be fitted into the mast an the wires are from the RED A/C 2MM LEDS
(https://i.ibb.co/JyFtytS/IMG-5452.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 24, 2020, 08:35:11 am
an all the wires that are fitted will be fitted in a tube to stop them gettin tangeled up on the main radar shaft an i was nr a nervous wreck after doin this as the wires are so thin they will break very easy if pulled to hard so gently does it
(https://i.ibb.co/kcQ0ddR/IMG-5454.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 24, 2020, 08:44:29 am
The tube being fitted over the wires
(https://i.ibb.co/F8zrGqT/IMG-5457.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 24, 2020, 08:46:47 am
AN FITTED inside the mast
(https://i.ibb.co/G2DR8yx/IMG-5459.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 24, 2020, 08:49:08 am
here the cross member fitted into the mast with its supports
(https://i.ibb.co/F8Dy4jg/IMG-5455.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 24, 2020, 08:54:19 am
AN IT all is ok as the red anti collision lights work ok so now i can press on to the hardest part an that fitting the wires to the mini electric plugs as this mast will be able to be just unscrewed an lifted off the hangar for serveic in in the future
(https://i.ibb.co/NSkh309/IMG-5460.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on July 24, 2020, 03:30:16 pm
looking good Chris, wires for the anti collision run through the supports?
Bob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 24, 2020, 05:27:26 pm
looking good Chris, wires for the anti collision run through the supports?
Bob
HI Bob thanks for your nice comments an no the wires go through the brass box section cross member the supports are solid brass AN ive been studying the deck pics up nr the hull jiont an i think i will have to use a bit of moddelers licence an not do the cut out for where the whale boat are fitted as if i cut the hull here it will weaken the hull as its right near the hull jiont so i think i will have to have the boats mounted on either side fitted on the main deck chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on July 24, 2020, 06:12:09 pm
Hi Chris, Tigers come on :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 24, 2020, 07:20:06 pm
Chris I reckon that as the major cut is on the top deck, you should not have an issue, I guess the bit that is cut down on the hull sides is the issue
Bob
HI Bob yes you are right as on the sides of the hull where the whale boats are on there derricks thats where the main hull spars strenghener are an i darent cut through them as remember the hull is as thin as paper to save on wheight so i think id better just mount the boats on the main deck top only way i can see unless i do the cuts an try an strenghten the hull after but it will add wheight an not be strong so the jurys out on that chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 08, 2020, 08:11:21 am
HI ALL UPDATE well I've fitted on the A/C led's an they all work ok as I've lifted it on an off the mounting on the hangar bay to test the electric plugs uptakes an the led's are nice an bright as this is what the rear main mast will look like if i go sometimes night sailing
(https://i.ibb.co/YNRsccz/IMG-5463.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 08, 2020, 08:21:26 am
HERE the main mast now fitted to the hangar bay an its now taking power right from the hull so the 5 electric plugs that I've have fitted all work ok an its not finished by a long chalk but will finish this over the winter time now I've got the basics built as i now want to get onto an do the front foremast as I've just fitted a bit of masking tape to represent the big radar to get a little idea of if things looks about right an I'm happy with it
(https://i.ibb.co/yQS9GNz/IMG-5468.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 08, 2020, 08:31:41 am
WELL here goes on the front foremast an fittin on RED 2MM led's for A/C lights an the white running lights but first some shots of the yardarms that ive fitted on the mast an its again not fininshed as more have got to go on but im running out of time here as while warm wheather i want to leave the masts for winter time work an get on sprayin the hulls in their paint top coates in the garage if poss but for now back to that fore mast
(https://i.ibb.co/m6m5CPK/IMG-5491.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 08, 2020, 08:34:00 am
TOP VIEW
(https://i.ibb.co/9Vj1v0s/IMG-5492.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 08, 2020, 08:35:40 am
FRONT VIEW
(https://i.ibb.co/ZzFvgtq/IMG-5490.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 08, 2020, 08:37:32 am
BACK VIEW with the A/C lights on
(https://i.ibb.co/kHGfSQR/IMG-5489.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 08, 2020, 08:40:59 am
AN again front view all lit up for when i go night sailing an all the lights will be able to be switched on an off by R/C
(https://i.ibb.co/S0KWGD3/IMG-5485.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 10, 2020, 06:26:42 pm
HI ALL update time on what I've been doing on the model an still on them masts but they are near finished now as just the actual radars to make an fit the safety railings on both masts but this will be done over winter time as I'm struggling to finish both parts of the hulls before the cold whether get here an here the masts have extra bits fitted on an painted in their top colours
(https://i.ibb.co/ypTyDFN/IMG-5564.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 10, 2020, 06:29:04 pm
top view looking down on it
(https://i.ibb.co/TM6jTyQ/IMG-5565.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 10, 2020, 06:31:41 pm
an lit up an i want the lights this bright so i can see which is tiger if there is other models on the pond
(https://i.ibb.co/7JnGFtY/IMG-5567.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 10, 2020, 06:32:50 pm
rear view shot
(https://i.ibb.co/HVLRgPw/IMG-5571.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 10, 2020, 06:35:08 pm
Now the rear main mast all painted up with some extra bits on front veiw
(https://i.ibb.co/ftW5yzv/IMG-5578.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 10, 2020, 06:38:19 pm
An a rear view shot of it an the A/C lights are powered down as they are just running from 6v but should be 12v but i could not be bothered to change the battery as i can see that the A/C lights work ok
(https://i.ibb.co/ftW5yzv/IMG-5578.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 10, 2020, 06:40:55 pm
An next showing is the lovely brass portholes an I've about 100 to fit an they are fitted with glass in them
(https://i.ibb.co/VqCy1wy/IMG-5556.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 10, 2020, 06:43:21 pm
AN a close up shot an i think these brass portholes are a work of art an it will be a shame to paint them grey but got to be done
(https://i.ibb.co/c63Jt29/IMG-5557.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Capt Podge on September 10, 2020, 07:43:48 pm
Fantastic work on the masts Chris, they really do look just the business. Your attention to detail is showing through in the photo's. Very well done thus far :-))
Regards, Ray.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on September 10, 2020, 08:12:27 pm
Hi Chris, You must be pleased that all the working you have done has come out so well :-)) :-)) :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 10, 2020, 10:15:18 pm
Fantastic work on the masts Chris, they really do look just the business. Your attention to detail is showing through in the photo's. Very well done thus far :-))
Regards, Ray.
HI Ray many thanks for your nice comments on them masts an yes a lot of work gone into them an they still not finished but will do them over winter time all best chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 10, 2020, 10:19:58 pm
Hi Chris, You must be pleased that all the working you have done has come out so well :-)) :-)) :-))
HI yes im very pleased at how they turned out an they still not finished but over winter time they will get done but for now they will get packed away in a box till then while im now doin these portholes great fun this will be all best chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: ballastanksian on September 11, 2020, 11:12:09 pm
There are some Legends of brass working here and the masts are amazing! They will really make the model Chris :-)) :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 12, 2020, 09:44:34 am
There are some Legends of brass working here and the masts are amazing! They will really make the model Chris :-)) :-))
HI Ballastanksian yes im pleased with how the masts have turned out as it was a lot of work to get all the radar 's working an thank you for your kind comment on my efforts to build these masts cheers chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 23, 2020, 06:50:19 pm
HI Mike here is the linkpicture to see the ship HMS TIGER C20 that im building https://ibb.co/WxH3xbX (https://ibb.co/WxH3xbX) chris :-)) ps if you click on the picture it comes up bigger pps this ship is HMS BLAKE C99 but she is TIGER'S sister but both ships nr the same
(https://i.ibb.co/ngw0gHy/Tiger-class.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 30, 2020, 07:43:48 pm
HI all well the build continues an as I'm hoping to have a water cooled ESC i have fitted in the hull bottom two water uptakes to go to the water pump
(https://i.ibb.co/gPJWf3P/IMG-5581.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 30, 2020, 07:47:50 pm
An now its time for fitting the portholes an here the first 4 holes just drilled out
(https://i.ibb.co/k8TrNpq/IMG-5631.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 30, 2020, 07:49:24 pm
An the portholes fitted with their glass in
(https://i.ibb.co/kqpB4xc/IMG-5633.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 30, 2020, 07:54:03 pm
An i thought after doing just 4 P/H 's id have a rest an fit in the speaker for the whooper sound unit an its a 3 inch waterproof mylar speaker an it can be easily removed in case it needs replacing
(https://i.ibb.co/8z1gKDQ/IMG-5709.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 30, 2020, 07:55:51 pm
the whooper sound unit fits snugly in under the rear funnel mounting
(https://i.ibb.co/H7Vz013/IMG-5710.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 30, 2020, 08:00:10 pm
Now back to them portholes an now they are all fitted in a ok thank goodness an a few shots of the front section of TIGER to see if all that I'm building looks ok an i think I'm on the right track an she's big took me all my time to get her in the camera viewer
(https://i.ibb.co/k8pcdrf/IMG-5713.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 30, 2020, 08:00:51 pm
(https://i.ibb.co/M6Qsp4k/IMG-5714.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 30, 2020, 08:01:31 pm
(https://i.ibb.co/dLhwSwZ/IMG-5715.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 30, 2020, 08:02:04 pm
(https://i.ibb.co/tL7VvCg/IMG-5716.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 30, 2020, 08:03:20 pm
AN a rear view shot
(https://i.ibb.co/ZNSfn03/IMG-5718.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on September 30, 2020, 08:57:10 pm
Now back to them portholes an now they are all fitted in a ok thank goodness an a few shots of the front section of TIGER to see if all that im building looks ok an i think im on the right track an she's big took me all my time to get her in the camera veiwer https://ibb.co/VSdBKhZ (https://ibb.co/VSdBKhZ)
Bridge work is looking good Chris
Bob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Martin (Admin) on October 01, 2020, 06:35:37 am
Latest Photos embedded Chris:-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 01, 2020, 09:06:52 am
HI Again Bob yes im pleased with how the bridges turned out but still a lot to do on them as i made them both so they will lift off the main S/S an they will also seaperate so if a bridge light fuses i can get into them to rectifiy the problem
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on October 01, 2020, 12:03:07 pm
Chris I was refering to the sound unit, it looks very big, or is it the camera perspective?
HI Bob its just how big the picture has made it as its a new sound unit from components shop an its only about 3inches by 2inches so not big at all an it sounds great hope you are gettin on ok with your carrier ? chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 01, 2020, 01:00:29 pm
Hi Chris Coming along , looking good. Question the water intakes look like your planning on cooling some big heat load ?
HI Dave yea the water intakes are for the ESC FUSHION power AN it goes up to 280 amps as i will be running four motors to drive tiger so it might get hot hence the water intakes but now i dont know if i will use this type of ESC as im still confused about this BEC on a ESC
an in my R/C INSTRUCTIONS it says the R/X has a BEC CONFIGERATION fitted in it but one german gent says the R/X FROM THE GERMAN TRANSLATION has not got a BEC in so at the moment im still confused about all this all the guys on here treid to help me BLESS THEM but im now waiting till my freind comes over an we can talk it through on whitch way to go all best chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on October 01, 2020, 08:27:23 pm
HI Bob its just how big the picture has made it as its a new sound unit from components shop an its only about 3inches by 2inches so not big at all an it sounds great hope you are gettin on ok with your carrier ? chris
Ah ok, see my email, Victorious has keel cut and frame cut, waiting for new router cutter to cut the slots then assembly can start
Bob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: colin-d on October 02, 2020, 07:19:49 am
an in my R/C INSTRUCTIONS it says the R/X has a BEC CONFIGERATION fitted in it but one german gent says the R/X FROM THE GERMAN TRANSLATION has not got a BEC in so at the moment im still confused about all this all the guys on here treid to help me BLESS THEM but im now waiting till my freind comes over an we can talk it through on whitch way to go all best chris
Hi Chris, Your receiver, definitely DOES NOT have a BEC fitted...
On the lighter side of life... it's nice of you to think I'm a German Gent... but spent close on 20 years working for the British government, and for the past 20 years for the German government... Still have my British passport, just been renewed ok2
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 02, 2020, 11:06:25 am
Hi Chris, Your receiver, definitely DOES NOT have a BEC fitted...
On the lighter side of life... it's nice of you to think I'm a German Gent... but spent close on 20 years working for the British government, and for the past 20 years for the German government... Still have my British passport, just been renewed ok2
HI Colin many thanks for that bit of info i know you said it before but in the english instrucktions it says battery eliminator is installed in the receiver circutry so are they sayin this is a BEC in the R/X an they have made a mistake THOUGH ? CHEERS chris PS ive built over the last 30 yrs several big warships an used them on 40 meg an hardly no probs but this is the first time ive had to use this BEC system an boy have i a headacke lol
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on October 02, 2020, 12:10:34 pm
Chris so how did you power the rx? then, using the old style batt pack I assume, BEC is not a new thing, been around for younks
Bob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on October 02, 2020, 12:18:59 pm
Chris it says in the germa instructions basically, the rx has no power and recives it from the electronic of the bec system from esc, to prove it I disconnected my esc and guess what no power to rx.
Bob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 02, 2020, 07:04:18 pm
Hi Chris, Your receiver, definitely DOES NOT have a BEC fitted...
On the lighter side of life... it's nice of you to think I'm a German Gent... but spent close on 20 years working for the British government, and for the past 20 years for the German government... Still have my British passport, just been renewed ok2
HI Colin an many thanks to you as well about this BEC subject :-)) chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 02, 2020, 07:12:49 pm
Chris it says in the germa instructions basically, the rx has no power and recives it from the electronic of the bec system from esc, to prove it I disconnected my esc and guess what no power to rx.
Bob
AN THANK YOU as well Bob for solvein this BEC matter cheers now all i have got to do is find the right ESC with a f/s an a BEC Chris chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on October 03, 2020, 10:43:32 am
Hi Chris, Knock this up this morning
Just need to see how it can be moulded and how it come out of the mould
I’ll email you better photos shortly
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 03, 2020, 11:42:42 am
OK Dave cheers i'll wait to hear from you chris :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 15, 2020, 06:29:36 pm
HI ALL well a bit more done on her an i have been busy fitting portholes an handrails in an on the S/S an the first pic up is one of these little blighters as they are only about 3mm an a heck of a job to hold as they ping from my tweezers an i have lost about 10 to the carpet monster but my wife jen said no way an she got down on her hands an knees an felt all over the carpet with her finger tips an found up about 8 of them well done her an ive found that quite a few did not have a predrilled hole in them so i had to try an fit them in my mini vice an re-drill them out >>:-( <*< https://ibb.co/v31zxdF (https://ibb.co/v31zxdF)
(https://i.ibb.co/Yc2j7dC/IMG-5734.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 15, 2020, 06:35:27 pm
AN here fitting in a hand rail an them little blighters were >>:-( beggers to thread through but after doin a few i found the rod fitted better when the hole was opened up with a neddle https://ibb.co/Jn42xKL
(https://i.ibb.co/b1ZLHPh/IMG-5738.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 15, 2020, 06:39:24 pm
HERE the hand rail fitted to the bridges an they are apart as it was easier to work on one an then the other https://ibb.co/sKCpRPB
(https://i.ibb.co/1rMYQnS/IMG-5740.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 15, 2020, 06:40:27 pm
an bridges fitted together i;ll just be glad when i can spray them grey https://ibb.co/2W4Ybxs (https://ibb.co/2W4Ybxs)
(https://i.ibb.co/vVnvtpQ/IMG-5739.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 15, 2020, 06:45:37 pm
front S/S where the small 3" twin gun turret will fit on when i get that far an h/r an p/h fitted an a w/t door that opens https://ibb.co/0mBxy5L
(https://i.ibb.co/pbWSjqT/IMG-5741.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 15, 2020, 06:47:10 pm
other side an there is only one p/h fitted here as other fitments have to go on https://ibb.co/XzXtBmz
(https://i.ibb.co/gDyJ1sD/IMG-5742.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 15, 2020, 06:50:19 pm
NOW here the rear end of the main S/S an all the doors https://ibb.co/8sBxt7g
(https://i.ibb.co/SyxmG3w/IMG-5747.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 15, 2020, 06:52:07 pm
an to show why all the w/t doors here on the plans is what ive got to fit on the S/S https://ibb.co/xGgMZqN
(https://i.ibb.co/WFzcCvL/IMG-5758.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 15, 2020, 06:53:11 pm
DECK shot with a w/t door open https://ibb.co/prmntTx
(https://i.ibb.co/YTrbzS3/IMG-5748.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 15, 2020, 06:55:39 pm
port side of the S/S an port holes galore https://ibb.co/kMcYbjJ
(https://i.ibb.co/8X8Fvqb/IMG-5750.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 15, 2020, 06:56:35 pm
front view https://ibb.co/Zd7VFS3
(https://i.ibb.co/xhdDBYy/IMG-5752.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 15, 2020, 06:57:30 pm
STRB side https://ibb.co/DPJk9T2
(https://i.ibb.co/BHpjyFM/IMG-5753.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 15, 2020, 07:02:30 pm
moveing on i wanted to start to fit detail on the 02 deck behind the bridge but i had to remove the fore mast an to get to the main holding screws i had to use a very long screwdriver that went through all the mast to get to undo the main holding screws an same on the othe side a if you just click on the pic it comes up bigger so more detail can be seen https://ibb.co/FzzzKj6 (https://ibb.co/FzzzKj6)
(https://i.ibb.co/SBBBP9N/IMG-5754.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 15, 2020, 07:12:30 pm
AN the mast ready to lift of as i dont want to brake it this an the rear mainmast will be packed away in a box till the ship is nr ready to have them fitted back on https://ibb.co/qm5vYSd
(https://i.ibb.co/ygSrF9X/IMG-5756.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 15, 2020, 07:14:52 pm
AN now some shots of what ive got so far of the model https://ibb.co/ryczGdR
(https://i.ibb.co/5cnSWKg/IMG-5759.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 15, 2020, 07:15:30 pm
https://ibb.co/d6pT5NJ
(https://i.ibb.co/6btMWKJ/IMG-5760.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 15, 2020, 07:16:07 pm
https://ibb.co/rpHVqCw
(https://i.ibb.co/z2ZzCy4/IMG-5762.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 15, 2020, 07:18:19 pm
an starboard side an a different porthole layout an hand rails fitted https://ibb.co/ypyQr6f
(https://i.ibb.co/w7WzfS0/IMG-5763.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: kevin547n on October 17, 2020, 12:50:11 pm
very nice indeed, i used to love seen Tiger and Blake in the RN dockyards in the 70's i think Lion had gone by the time i joined up in 74
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 17, 2020, 08:18:58 pm
very nice indeed, i used to love seen Tiger and Blake in the RN dockyards in the 70's i think Lion had gone by the time i joined up in 74
HI Kevin you have seen tiger an blake oh you lucky devil i was not intrested then in ships as i was chasein girls an caught my wife jen but where was this portsmouth or elese where an you were in the R/N what ships you have served on ? chris :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: kevin547n on October 18, 2020, 07:08:30 am
HI Kevin you have seen tiger an blake oh you lucky devil i was not intrested then in ships as i was chasein girls an caught my wife jen but where was this Portsmouth or elese where an you were in the R/N what ships you have served on ? chris :-))
i joined the RN in 74 Running from Portsmouth, I did the first Commission of the Type 42 Sheffield and the last one of the GMD Fife, i may well have seen Tiger or Blake in Chatham Went in to Subs 1980 and the rest of my career was running from Scotland, did 8 years on Odin, 2 years on Churchill (refit - scrapped from under my feet), 8 years on Repulse taking her to scrap, took HMS Sceptre to Refit in Rosyth and i retired in 1998 9/11 happened and i went back in and did another 10 years, taking Sceptre back out of refit, and then time on Vanguard, nearly all my Sub career was in Scotland, That pretty well cover 34 years of my life, high must have been during my time on Repulse, lows would be Vanguard, the RN had changed for the worse IMHO but being aged 50 i had my day
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 18, 2020, 11:36:13 am
WOW Kevin you certainly had a colourful navy carreea :-)) chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: kevin547n on October 19, 2020, 07:00:18 am
just been reading some of the random posts on your build, then decided to read from the start, you have put a lot of work into this, wish i had started my GMD Fife now rather than selling it partly completed, with much more time on my hands it could have done a much better job, however the new owner has now completed it this is the fleetscale 1/72
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 19, 2020, 08:57:14 am
HI Kevin oh that looks nice HMS FIFE in 1/72 that would have been a super model if you had completed it as thats one thing ive never done an thats start a ship build an then sell it not finished as ive built about 7 or 8 big models now over the yrs an finished them all as for me its all im really instrested in as i dont like sport so i dont watch much tv for me its the building an creating the ship to the finish that matters as they are very exspensive aer'nt they ? an my wife jen also spurs me on an yes we have our lives by goin out togeather but as soon as i can im at the tiger build as in my opinion if you dont build it it wong get built will it as at the moment im havin some probs on her an that tryin to get the things i need due to this bloomin corvid an any chance of a pic from her new owner as you say she is completed now ? all best to you chris ps she's a county class destroyer isnt she ?
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: kevin547n on October 19, 2020, 12:39:37 pm
i started a build log on here but never kept it updated https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,60378.0.html (https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,60378.0.html) here is the completed vid, posted by new owner, there are a couple photod then the video, made a nice job
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 19, 2020, 03:16:00 pm
HI again Kevin oh that is a pity that you did not finish her as ive just looked through your build on her as far as you got an i think you was doin the build very good as i could not have done better myself an i cant look at the finished ship as im not on F/B as i dont like it but again to me this is a cryin shame that you dint finish her may i ask why you dint ? chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: kevin547n on October 19, 2020, 03:37:55 pm
here is another link, and lol i will answer your questions later https://modelshipworld.com/uploads/monthly_2020_03/video-1583430167.mp4.2f4edc374e72c0ffcbd55c3006dcdbfa.mp4
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 19, 2020, 07:35:36 pm
THAT was brilliant Kevin he has lit all the ship up like i do on my ships an is the gent who built this on this site ? chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: kevin547n on October 19, 2020, 08:17:39 pm
THAT was brilliant Kevin he has lit all the ship up like i do on my ships an is the gent who built this on this site ? chris
no he isnt, he did a lot of the electrics, but the rest of the build was completed by a friend of his, it was due to have its first sail early this year, but the plague got in the way
i belong to several sites it was on MSW and facebook he contacted me and asked if i considered selling, ii turned him down several times, but to be honest, i was building it as a static, and felt he would put her to better use, as there are not many 1/72 GMD on the display circuit and i wanted to build the St Nectan by Montfleet models, yet again my build log of that was quite poor on here
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 19, 2020, 09:17:50 pm
OH Kevin lovley victory model is that nr 1000 pound kit as my freind nearly built it but he died of prostate cancer before he could finish it all he had to build was the small whale boat that sit in the ships centre :-)) how sad chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: kevin547n on October 20, 2020, 05:52:06 am
OH Kevin lovley victory model is that nr 1000 pound kit as my freind nearly built it but he died of prostate cancer before he could finish it all he had to build was the small whale boat that sit in the ships centre :-)) how sad chris
sorry for the loss of your friend, yes it is the Caldercraft kit, and yes its a big outlay, but with over 3000 hours, spread over 7 years, well worth the cost, the new Amati version at 1/64 designed by Chris Watton, and at present being built by James Hatch, is going to be far better, the cost will be higher, but rumours are of it being available in 3 parts like the Amerigo Vespucci, which i also have on the go
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: warspite on October 20, 2020, 11:23:01 am
Puts mine to shame - and its still not been tested properly {-)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: kevin547n on October 20, 2020, 12:03:26 pm
love the way you have approached the build, an whilst we are chatting you are not getting on with it
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: warspite on October 20, 2020, 03:14:59 pm
If that's aimed at me and not chris ;D - she's finished and test tank tested, just not been for her maiden voyage, though the way things are going at work, I might be able to spend more time building the other projects whilst looking for a job >:-o
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 22, 2020, 12:34:07 pm
HI ALL well a couple of months ago i treated my self to a new 2.4 gig 14 cha R/C system for my TIGER an to have plenty of things workin on her an now ive got all the nessaseary thing ive decided to try it all out to see if it works ok an it does an what i like about the R/C is that its not meant for a plane but for trucks tanks an boats so just up my street had a little trouble with the instructions but now all sorted linkpic of the box firstly https://ibb.co/YRnbmyx
(https://i.ibb.co/Tvjr6bs/IMG-5560.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 22, 2020, 12:36:49 pm
An now the actual R/C an its a nice layout of the controls https://ibb.co/gD8YDt5
(https://i.ibb.co/SKgSKVh/IMG-5559.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 22, 2020, 12:47:11 pm
HERE my choise of 40 amp VIPER ESC's X 2 with BEC's an FAILSAFE in
(https://i.ibb.co/f1P7CcN/IMG-5769.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 22, 2020, 12:53:48 pm
An how they will lay in the hull layout but i think i may change this when i do come to actually fit them in as im thinging of making it work so that if i want i can use a step switch on my R/C to just stop two motors an have just two running to double my sailing time but if its windy then i just hit the stepswitch an bring the other two motors back into play for full ahead flank speed https://ibb.co/pd5RRxq
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 22, 2020, 12:54:45 pm
top veiw shot https://ibb.co/C54z7Hm
(https://i.ibb.co/qpVWWd6/IMG-5767.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 22, 2020, 12:56:40 pm
an a shot of the inline fuse box one fuse for each ESC https://ibb.co/Sv7RQpy
(https://i.ibb.co/ZT1WHCX/IMG-5766.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 22, 2020, 01:00:09 pm
an here they all are laid out as it took me two days to make the wireing harness up as its heavy gauge wire an hard on my fingers an i was glad when i done them with all 4 motors an they are johnsons https://ibb.co/CVBPmTv
(https://i.ibb.co/gty4mBw/IMG-5771.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 22, 2020, 01:05:21 pm
An in this last shot is of a smaller ESC with BEC an fail safe as this one is to power the bow thruster an yes i know the real ship dint have one but as this is a big hull its gonna catch the wind an it will be a job to controll it on the wet stuff so it will be usefull https://ibb.co/drDdJpm ALL best chris
(https://i.ibb.co/VtT7pCw/IMG-5772.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 10, 2020, 10:10:08 am
HI ALL an update time on what ive been doin on tiger well ive spent the last two wks just fittin on the bridge S/S some of the detail an it been a beggar as some of the photos ive looked at an its different so ive had to fit on what i think is about right firstly the main bridge S/S port side https://ibb.co/NSqSLkp
(https://i.ibb.co/HdydrMY/IMG-5792.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 10, 2020, 10:11:37 am
https://ibb.co/5M1NL5j
(https://i.ibb.co/DV1xQ7M/IMG-5793.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on November 10, 2020, 10:13:53 am
An a rear shot of the main BRIDGE S/S https://ibb.co/2WfT4Dq
(https://i.ibb.co/8NSHZWM/IMG-5794.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 10, 2020, 10:18:25 am
HERE in this shot can be seen all the steps on the rear of the main S/S an i think climbin all these steps they must have been very fit an the steps are just laid on at the moment so i can spray this in its top grey paint then they will be added https://ibb.co/fDcr8Zd
(https://i.ibb.co/MBXP8Kk/IMG-5795.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 10, 2020, 10:19:33 am
top veiw https://ibb.co/sKXtv2L
(https://i.ibb.co/bsG7gPp/IMG-5796.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 10, 2020, 10:20:16 am
https://ibb.co/nmFmykz
(https://i.ibb.co/bmkmVdz/IMG-5797.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 10, 2020, 10:21:03 am
https://ibb.co/sRn314P
(https://i.ibb.co/r0Yypht/IMG-5799.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 10, 2020, 10:21:42 am
https://ibb.co/s34HCRr
(https://i.ibb.co/KygwDhH/IMG-5800.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 10, 2020, 10:23:13 am
top view starboard side https://ibb.co/5hv6pr9
(https://i.ibb.co/GQk0YWJ/IMG-5802.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 10, 2020, 10:25:14 am
shot of opening W/T DOORS https://ibb.co/5Ykkk4Q
(https://i.ibb.co/CJ6668j/IMG-5804.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 10, 2020, 10:26:00 am
https://ibb.co/qgND9MS
(https://i.ibb.co/2MvFP79/IMG-5805.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 10, 2020, 10:26:40 am
https://ibb.co/cNvz4Mg
(https://i.ibb.co/VvNXfrj/IMG-5806.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on November 10, 2020, 10:27:53 am
shot of the scott domes mountings https://ibb.co/Px6Yk8n
(https://i.ibb.co/G75JmjL/IMG-5807.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on November 10, 2020, 10:30:13 am
https://ibb.co/RgTv4Gt
(https://i.ibb.co/zmVnHWC/IMG-5810.jpg)
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Post by: T888 on November 10, 2020, 05:11:53 pm
Quite a bit of progress on the detailing Chris , looking good :-)) :-)) keep up the good work
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 10, 2020, 07:41:20 pm
Quite a bit of progress on the detailing Chris , looking good :-)) :-)) keep up the good work
Cheers Dave but its not as good as i use to do but im gettin on now an when you get older you cant build in my opinion as good as i could 5yrs ago when i was detailing my norfolk oh dear only hope i can finish this ship as the time is flying through isnt chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Dreadnought on November 11, 2020, 05:57:56 am
Looks great :-)) :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 11, 2020, 07:36:14 am
CHEERS Dreadnought yes im pleased at how its comin on as its helping me through this ole lockdown an i cant wait to get fitting all the eletrics but firstly ive got to build this ship an i must say this is the hardest model ive ever tried to build but it a challange ;) %) chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: davejo90 on November 11, 2020, 08:07:54 am
The build is looking great, I'm not sure I'd like the paint job though ;)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 11, 2020, 01:10:22 pm
YEA it is an it should set the model off :-)) chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 24, 2020, 07:10:45 am
HI ALL UPDATE TIME AN I NOW built the awkward shaped gun fire controll systems an i would not want to build them again in this linkpic still building them https://ibb.co/X4XVknX
(https://i.ibb.co/thB3P0B/IMG-5859.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 24, 2020, 07:12:26 am
an built https://ibb.co/0VgTDbh
(https://i.ibb.co/3YD2rZB/IMG-5860.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 24, 2020, 07:13:54 am
rear veiw shot https://ibb.co/5F4qpmf
(https://i.ibb.co/QdQsSL1/IMG-5862.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 24, 2020, 07:18:08 am
an here some of the other bits ive built but cant fit them on the ship till its sprayed grey an the gunfire controll systems are not finished yet as again they need to be sprayed grey as well https://ibb.co/SVqnZWz
(https://i.ibb.co/L94tsb3/IMG-5864.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 24, 2020, 07:21:41 am
an here a quick sketch of my cooling idea to cool the motors as this has now got to be done before i can progress building my big funnels https://ibb.co/5vN3QcT
(https://i.ibb.co/d6dvNKB/IMG-5877.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 24, 2020, 07:28:56 am
an i have fitted x2 40mm fans to work as coolin air suction fitted into the down take just behind the rear funnell an all the downtake has still to be built but not before i build my rear funnel an i need to see how much room ive got as its nr the fans cooling downtake https://ibb.co/vHHqVBg
(https://i.ibb.co/Tkk2YTp/IMG-5867.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 24, 2020, 07:30:07 am
fans grill fitted on over the fans https://ibb.co/TBJZn8w
(https://i.ibb.co/jvqdxM8/IMG-5869.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 24, 2020, 07:32:20 am
an a shot of how it will look with some S/S FITTED on the deck https://ibb.co/6cSydLv
(https://i.ibb.co/sp4gBz5/IMG-5870.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 24, 2020, 07:34:33 am
an here a shot on the real ship of where this is located as I've drawn in saying fans downtake here an arrow https://ibb.co/2Zh0SFh
(https://i.ibb.co/cY3Kwy3/IMG-5883.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 24, 2020, 07:37:04 am
an i will also fit a big 12v 80mm fan below deck to suck cooling air from the two 40mm fans to cool the motors directly https://ibb.co/5GnG4WG
(https://i.ibb.co/2WsWh7W/IMG-5876.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 24, 2020, 07:37:48 am
https://ibb.co/2nDsd4Z
(https://i.ibb.co/Qb2CMwD/IMG-5880.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 24, 2020, 07:41:12 am
but firstly i have to now build the funnels an again an awkward shape >>:-( like the fire control systems top view https://ibb.co/5TtNGSX
(https://i.ibb.co/G7BKn8f/IMG-5878.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 24, 2020, 07:43:17 am
an front veiw an they are big over 8 inches tall https://ibb.co/q7rWdYy
(https://i.ibb.co/FmD0K4x/IMG-5873.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 24, 2020, 12:21:35 pm
many thanks Martin for puttin up my pics but i cant do this as im havin pc trouble as it keeps crashin had the engineer out 5 times so in the new yr i gonna ask to have it sent away to get it fixed any way have a lovely christmas an all the best for 2021 chris an jen
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 30, 2020, 10:06:15 am
HI ALL well ive started to build the big rear funnell as its got be built before i can do anything more on the fans cooling system as its got to be built around the rear funnel so build it is https://ibb.co/CtgyzFv
(https://i.ibb.co/sPn42rQ/IMG-5888.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 30, 2020, 10:09:37 am
here ive had to build in the funnell in with balsa wood to stop the thin platicard covering from kingin inwards https://ibb.co/Csz2WP2
(https://i.ibb.co/BKtNwnN/IMG-5891.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 30, 2020, 10:17:13 am
Now starting to cover the funnell https://ibb.co/sjFBZZ8
(https://i.ibb.co/ZdhZ00q/IMG-5893.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 30, 2020, 10:19:34 am
Here the rear funnell covered an sitting on its S/S where its got to go https://ibb.co/Yd8YPzR
(https://i.ibb.co/dp61jdW/IMG-5895.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 30, 2020, 10:20:51 am
An both funnell's covered https://ibb.co/L5Vdp58
(https://i.ibb.co/WtmvKt6/IMG-5896.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 30, 2020, 10:24:30 am
AN i bought some flexi tube off ebay as its fits the funnell tube exactly as the front funnell tube wil go down an be built in to the smoke or steam unit in the hull https://ibb.co/cxKmB5H
(https://i.ibb.co/250b92Q/IMG-5900.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 30, 2020, 10:25:28 am
https://ibb.co/4TKnp4V
(https://i.ibb.co/KqbpWVr/IMG-5903.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 30, 2020, 10:28:58 am
NOW here in this pic ive cut out the fans air cooling holes now its got to be all built in to take air down to the big fan on the deck underside to cool motors https://ibb.co/9hPbRKM
(https://i.ibb.co/nBp7hdW/IMG-5906.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 30, 2020, 10:30:56 am
AN to finish off today a boaty freind bought me this HMS TIGER mug for xmas https://ibb.co/n3gH5sN
(https://i.ibb.co/q0ytPM3/IMG-5901.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Martin (Admin) on December 30, 2020, 11:47:01 am
You can upload your own photos direct from IMGBB, just use BBCode Full code! ----- NotViewer links :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 30, 2020, 06:57:12 pm
HI Martin im now gonna try to do what you say on the pics /ibb.co/C6KS6K8
Martin Sorry but as soon as i treid to up load a different code above from imgbb the pc crashed so unless i can load linkpicks as i have been doin im sorry but i will stop posting as i dont want to upset anyone all best chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: raflaunches on December 30, 2020, 07:52:49 pm
Chris
You’re not offending anyone with your posts- I’m more than happy to click on the links to the pictures and I’m sure many others don’t mind either. I know Martin is trying his best to help you post a picture directly without the links but if it doesn’t work for you carry on as you are. I’ll be following you and know others will too. Keep up the excellent work, and I’m looking forward to your next instalment :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on December 30, 2020, 09:09:39 pm
Chris Likewise from me, martin is only trying to make it easier for you but please carry on posting and I am sure I echo Nicks comment when lots of people will be happy to click the link
Bob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 30, 2020, 10:21:06 pm
OK GUYS Sorry for causeing a fuss :embarrassed: [size=78%] an as i said i dont want to upset anyone.So if you are all happy i'll continue posting by linkpic as remember my pc is running very slowly as im liveing in a low megabyte area so thats not great an it keeps crashing as it has three times today an its still under warranty an i would like to send it back to the shop an then back to the manufactoers but in the present climate i may not get it back for months as last yr i done that an it was gone for nr six weeks an that was before all this virus hassle so im tryin to make do on it SORRY for running on but i just thought id exsplain about this [/size] SO its back to linkpics OK all an thanks all for havin me an you martin ALL BEST chris :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Martin (Admin) on December 31, 2020, 11:30:27 am
How to Add a photo using IMGBB......
1. Go to https://imgbb.com (https://imgbb.com) and upload your photo / photos
2. Upload photo
3. From Embed codedrop down box....
4. Select BBCode full
5. Copy BBCode full
6. Paste from IMGBB into Mayhem ....
(https://i.ibb.co/y4YDcL5/HMS-Tiger.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Martin (Admin) on December 31, 2020, 12:00:00 pm
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Martin (Admin) on December 31, 2020, 12:09:57 pm
Hi Chris, No one is upset, everyone is eminently enjoying this project..... it's a wonderful build and 48,500+ views testify to that.
Sorry if my post came across as a bit shouty, that was not my intention, (my pic was a bit bigger than intended and may look a bit forceful)... my apologies.
All I was saying was, you doing everything right in uploading the photos to IMGBB, just scroll down 5 lines and it posts the picture, job done...
'Martin, you going ion too much now, leave it!' Fair enough, please continue posting updates Chris, we can't wait to see it finished. :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 31, 2020, 02:21:42 pm
HI Martin many thanks for the utube vid an the fantastic photo of tiger when she was a all guns cruiser am may i dowload the pic to my pc please ? an yes i intend to carry on posting on here an happy new yr to all the guys on here from jen an i ps Martin i see you up doncaster model show about 7 yrs ago as i had my big USS NIMITZ CVN 68 NUCLEAR CARRIER there in the show not sure wheather you took some pics of it but i dint get a chance to say helo to you as there was so many poeple around my carrier chris an jen
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on December 31, 2020, 02:30:55 pm
Hi Chris,
happy new to you and Jen, keep going with the build.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 31, 2020, 06:13:32 pm
happy new to you and Jen, keep going with the build.
HI Dave yea in carryin on with the build :-)) [size=78%]as today ive done quite a bit on that cooling system so im pleased with my days progress an a happy new yr to you an yours[/size] all best chris an jen
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 01, 2021, 06:54:06 pm
HI ALL A NEW YEARS DAY UPDATE as im on a roll i think as we cant go any where due to lock down so jen has been watching her soaps an i have had another 8 hrs on tiger an im very pleased how its goin on this an just to see how the main front section now with the front funnell just laid on an its keeping up my mojo to see im getting somewhere
https://ibb.co/C6KS6K8
(https://i.ibb.co/dt4Ht4M/IMG-5909.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 01, 2021, 06:56:12 pm
angle shot https://ibb.co/VSPdjZ1
(https://i.ibb.co/WyYQxwh/IMG-5910.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 01, 2021, 07:03:17 pm
AN now back to the fans cooling system an ive been working on this all day here starting to cover the air downtakes https://ibb.co/rtHCTpM
(https://i.ibb.co/RScxZ6P/IMG-5918.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 01, 2021, 07:06:08 pm
an in the next pics it can be seen to be covering a stage at a time but i must say this is the hardest an most angleular ship i ever treid to build https://ibb.co/dgQmVK2
(https://i.ibb.co/Qd6DTmN/IMG-5920.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 01, 2021, 07:06:49 pm
https://ibb.co/zQkFnn6
(https://i.ibb.co/mbx0DDN/IMG-5921.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 01, 2021, 07:08:27 pm
an here the angles can clearly be seen an it difficult to build but im getting there https://ibb.co/xMKPWX0
(https://i.ibb.co/NLgQ5tP/IMG-5922.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 01, 2021, 07:10:07 pm
an covered hopefully this will work ok https://ibb.co/5WPGRK9
(https://i.ibb.co/4ZHKV1f/IMG-5924.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 01, 2021, 07:12:10 pm
an now here ive again just laid on the rear big funnel as its over 8 inches tall https://ibb.co/K2KzBQ2
(https://i.ibb.co/QPDjhqP/IMG-5926.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 01, 2021, 07:14:31 pm
top veiw looking down the funnell an as can be seen the funnell nestles in between the air downtakes https://ibb.co/qBYhRDs
(https://i.ibb.co/cJhRNyF/IMG-5927.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 01, 2021, 07:16:34 pm
rear angle shot for the last one today as these funnels are not finished as they have a lot more to be fitted on https://ibb.co/hZwKFBL
(https://i.ibb.co/TbdHM4Y/IMG-5928.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Chris Preston on January 02, 2021, 06:25:05 pm
Beautiful work Chris. I've been following this build since I joined Model Boat Mayhem a few years ago. Looking forward to more installments of your progress and completion, with sea trials.
Cheers,
Chris, in Victoria, BC, Canada
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 02, 2021, 10:14:40 pm
Beautiful work Chris. I've been following this build since I joined Model Boat Mayhem a few years ago. Looking forward to more installments of your progress and completion, with sea trials.
Cheers,
Chris, in Victoria, BC, Canada
HI Chris did you get my pm about the plans an email addy ? chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 02, 2021, 10:44:00 pm
HI AGAIN Chris sorry could you resend your email addy as i tried to send one to you but it comes up saying email address is wrong cheers chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Chris Preston on January 03, 2021, 01:22:29 am
Hi Chris,
Apologies, and yes - your PM regarding the plans from Jecobin came through. PM Me! (Admin)
Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: ballastanksian on January 03, 2021, 08:44:40 pm
Hey Chris, (Frogman) I am very pleased to see you are still posting up progress of your build. I think we would have been more upset if just a little bit of computer tinkering put you off keeping us abreast of your work :}
I am pleased you have managed to master the arcane science of uploading images, and we can see the beautiful work up close. Funnels are deceptively complicated beasts. I could not believe how many pipes and stays and brackets and cages and whistles etc ships funnels have, and that is just on Destroyer funnels! I remember a fellow Mayhemist showing off his build of Richelieu a few years back, and seeing the platforms and ladders inside %% It might have been Dave Wooley's Russian aircraft carrier actually, but both ships funnels were major modelling projects in their own rights.
This was interesting as it shows the use of the framework on the funnel top as a spreader for a cover, and also hints at the complexities of the funnel structure.
Raising Steam: Naval Instructional Film A76 (1942) - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwMRCU0olS0)
Keep up the good work Chris, and we will see loads of great progress throughout 2021 :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 04, 2021, 11:43:40 am
HI there im pleased you are likeing my tiger build :-)) an yes i will keep on showin linkpics or if martin can bring up the link to pics for me an many thanks to Martin for doin so just got to hope my pc will keep goin ATB chris :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on January 06, 2021, 10:24:38 pm
Navy Gets 'tiger' (1959) - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujoT_3XUp5M)
The above link is for a short video showing haw effective the 6" and 3" automatic guns on the three Tiger class cruisers were when they worked Questions also asked about the early box art for the Airfix kit of Tiger when she was gun cruiser, as red and white badge was seen on the forrard funnel, this may have been a Squadron badge but if it was it did not remain long
Bob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 07, 2021, 07:25:31 am
HI Bob many thanks for putting the utube tiger vid on here :-)) chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 10, 2021, 08:31:16 am
HI GUYS another small update on this big rear funnell an now its about 80per cent built but im not happy with the the funnell pipes as they are bendy drink straws as i tried to use the right size plastic pipes but the bends are to sharp an an heating up the pipes they just split or cracked so drink straws it is but hopefully they wont be seen much as there are the missle directors in front of them on the deck an i fitted some anti /collishion lights as the big funnel is out on the deck away from the rear mast so been havin fun building these now first linkpic https://ibb.co/rp1bJWw
(https://i.ibb.co/Lg2QfGZ/IMG-5934.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 10, 2021, 08:32:09 am
https://ibb.co/dKBmRCX
(https://i.ibb.co/0Jqsx41/IMG-5941.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 10, 2021, 08:33:53 am
close up shot of strb side https://ibb.co/KFMJjvq
(https://i.ibb.co/MMYmD0V/IMG-5942.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 10, 2021, 08:36:29 am
full shot of starb side an these pipes were some little blighters to get the right anges to glue them to the funnell https://ibb.co/BPB92cw
(https://i.ibb.co/LP13dYv/IMG-5946.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 10, 2021, 08:37:43 am
starb angle shot https://ibb.co/2NWhmQS
(https://i.ibb.co/m8bT1w0/IMG-5947.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: raflaunches on January 10, 2021, 08:38:30 am
Hi Chris
Fantastic as always-on your lower black straw that goes to the square vent you’ve got some rings going around it- are they wire or plastic card? If it’s plastic card it’s incredibly fine workmanship to get it to fit so nicely.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 10, 2021, 08:39:37 am
Fantastic as always-on your lower black straw that goes to the square vent you’ve got some rings going around it- are they wire or plastic card? If it’s plastic card it’s incredibly fine workmanship to get it to fit so nicely.
HI Nick its very thin wire just pulled arond the tube an glued should have put some on the big pipes but got ahead of my self an fitted them to the funnell but the pipe that goes straight down will unclip so i can still fit the wire around it later an thanks for lookin in cheers chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: raflaunches on January 10, 2021, 08:51:47 am
Thanks Chris
It’s very good, because the wire looked white in colour I thought it could be plastic card. Looks brilliant- keep up the excellent work.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 10, 2021, 08:52:58 am
HERE port side angle shot an again the straight up big pipe is just clipped in so i can fit the wire rings that will teach me to get ahead of myself >>:-( <*< but there is only about two wire rings to fit so a later job on that :-)) https://ibb.co/26Svgvb https://ibb.co/26Svgvb (https://ibb.co/26Svgvb)
(https://i.ibb.co/sPCKyKB/IMG-5949.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/sPCKyKB/IMG-5949.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 10, 2021, 08:55:07 am
It’s very good, because the wire looked white in colour I thought it could be plastic card. Looks brilliant- keep up the excellent work.
yea will do Nick thanks for havin a look see an i hope you are well chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 10, 2021, 08:57:11 am
an fullport side shot here https://ibb.co/kHHL8HL
(https://i.ibb.co/HFFczFc/IMG-5950.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 10, 2021, 09:03:38 am
an lastly for today the gantry platform on the funnell front an this was a little devil to fit as it was so fiddley an its only a quater of an inch wide took me three hrs to make an fit this an i got the shakes doin this so jen had to come an hold the funnell for me to fit it Aaaaaagghhh but thank goodness it went on ok so now all that needs doin is all the ladders fitting an spraying grey https://ibb.co/7twtyRg
(https://i.ibb.co/s909365/IMG-5952.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 10, 2021, 09:21:37 am
NEXT UP is fitting the front funnell now this one will be the hardest as this will be a steamer from the smoke or steam unit but to get this all fitted an workin i will have to do some surgery on the main S/S as the steam pipe must fit exctact to the steam unit so when i lift off the main bridge S/S to put in the main drive batt its got to drop dead on the steam unit so the steam pipe will have to be built in dead on for a fit OH THIS WILL BE A CHALLANGE %) chris :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Chris Preston on January 10, 2021, 06:35:50 pm
Excellent work chris - she's really stating to look like TIGER now.
Cheers,
Chris In Victoria, Canada
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 10, 2021, 08:56:43 pm
Excellent work chris - she's really stating to look like TIGER now.
Cheers,
Chris In Victoria, Canada
HI Chris yes she comin on but still a lot to do on her i'll be glad when i can get doin the eletrics but not yet im afraid as ive still got to fit this front steaming funnell an make it so that it all works an cheers for lookin in on the build ATB Chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on January 14, 2021, 03:40:45 pm
Hi Chris, Tigers coming along nicely :-)) be nice to see her all painted.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 14, 2021, 05:20:41 pm
Hi Chris, Tigers coming along nicely :-)) be nice to see her all painted.
HI Dave nice to hear from you an yes it will be nice to spray paint her but cant till the summer time as need warmer wheather an im about 70 per cent built on her but still a fair bit to build cheers for lookin in chris ps be nice to see your burke bill goin again :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 15, 2021, 07:29:55 am
HI ALL ANOTHER small update as if i try an load to many linkpics at a time my pc crashes so the first linkpic up today is an old pic showing that i built the ventilation grills with streakes plasticard to represent the vents but now i have decided to fit in the steam unit well the plasti card bottom right lower corner will have to be cut out so i can fit some real ventilation grills in https://ibb.co/qgND9MS
(https://i.ibb.co/2MvFP79/IMG-5805.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 15, 2021, 07:33:00 am
HERE IN this pic is the foremast radar motor an gearbox fitted in its place https://ibb.co/sCgxnnq
(https://i.ibb.co/XDW011t/IMG-5953.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 15, 2021, 07:38:17 am
an here ive removed the radar motor gearbox so i can cut out the vent grills an yes they are now cut out ok :-)) https://ibb.co/sjx9M4D
(https://i.ibb.co/gyqZB8X/IMG-5967.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 15, 2021, 07:40:31 am
https://ibb.co/vhrwbyY
(https://i.ibb.co/RNMv1ry/IMG-5965.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 15, 2021, 07:47:25 am
now in the main S/S behind the vent grills there will be two x 40mm fans one will suck air in a downtake to the small fan in the steam unit to help blow out the steam as the pipe to an up the funnell will be about 7inches long an the other fan will be to cool the radar motor gearbox when in a model show as it may be running for a few hrs https://ibb.co/nDpM6Hb
(https://i.ibb.co/64Q0r3m/IMG-5957.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 15, 2021, 07:48:53 am
close up shot of fans an cutouts https://ibb.co/7XrsL0c
(https://i.ibb.co/Dtw0TjX/IMG-5958.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 15, 2021, 07:55:13 am
Now here ive done some major surgery with the ole dremel an dimond cutter so i can fit in the steam pipe which will connect up with the steam unit an go to the front funnell an this all must be dead on fit as the main s/s will be needed to lift on an off to fit in the main drive batt https://ibb.co/Pt8S2jS
(https://i.ibb.co/wY1vngv/IMG-5964.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 15, 2021, 07:58:21 am
here ive been trying to bend the steam pipe into an S bend so it will go from the steam unit to the front funnel an hopefully this idea will work ok https://ibb.co/qmJHQb2
(https://i.ibb.co/yg4zjLx/IMG-5966.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 15, 2021, 08:06:11 am
An now comes the hard part which im doin today ive cut out the hole so i can get my hand in the main S/S to line up an cut the STEAM pipe to size so that when i fit on the S/S its should just drop right onto the the steam units steam pipe an if you look inside the steam unit can be seen to nr line up but its not right yet an i think this is goin to be a right pig to get right but will see how it all goes https://ibb.co/k97xHTs
(https://i.ibb.co/dLTrWvw/IMG-5962.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 15, 2021, 08:10:17 am
close up shot of the steam unit an where its all fitting in the hull an boy will i be glad when ive got this all mastered an built (phew) %) ok2 :-))
https://ibb.co/p45yqtm ATB ALL chris
(https://i.ibb.co/nQtCpHW/IMG-5963.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on January 15, 2021, 04:10:24 pm
looking good Chris, been busy, just the hundreds of rivets to add to the funnels now {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
Bob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 15, 2021, 05:58:37 pm
looking good Chris, been busy, just the hundreds of rivets to add to the funnels now {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
Bob
{-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) HI Bob very funny {-) an it gave me a good gigle but im no rivet counter so no way the funnels will have all their big ladders an the other main things but then im stoppin there but a question please can you tell me what are all them ring thingys at the funnels top ? is it for the painter to hang their ropes from to paint the funnels ? hope you both are well ATB Chris an jen :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on January 16, 2021, 12:52:13 pm
Glad it made you laugh, The RN model does not have them and I did not either, but there is a 1/72 Tiger out there were the guy has put the rivets in, but in doing so has spoilt it, becaue scale wise they must be about a foot wide, if you work it out 1/72 scale rivets heads are not a very big.
Bob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on January 17, 2021, 01:44:09 pm
Chris does this answer your question???
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 17, 2021, 09:03:44 pm
HI Dave yes it does so they are painters ring tie rings so they can paint the funnell cheers dave for the pic very nice of you thanks chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: ballastanksian on January 17, 2021, 11:21:31 pm
It always amazes me how complicated funnels are! I put a link to a you tube video somewhere else on MBM showing them firing up a destroyer in ww2. This had great info on funnel details and actual uses for a few items.
Tiger continues to get better and betterer :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 18, 2021, 09:18:24 am
It always amazes me how complicated funnels are! I put a link to a you tube video somewhere else on MBM showing them firing up a destroyer in ww2. This had great info on funnel details and actual uses for a few items.
Tiger continues to get better and betterer :-))
HI Cheers for your comment on tiger an yes im tryin to build this model to my best ability as this is my last big model i'll ever build chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 18, 2021, 07:26:57 pm
WELL HI ALL I JUST thought id finish off the steam unit build pics today so i can move onto something eles on the ship an here is the steam unit screwed down in the hull https://ibb.co/RT6Bh6J
(https://i.ibb.co/b5v2HvG/IMG-5982.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Chris Preston on January 18, 2021, 07:31:08 pm
Excellent progress Chris. I can't wait to see her on the water.
Cheers,
Chris - in Victoria, BC
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 18, 2021, 07:32:43 pm
AN IT WAS A BATTLE to get the funnel pipe to match up to the steam unit pipe as it had to be dead on if not the S/S wont fit down how it should do but i managed in the end
https://ibb.co/6ypZDzs (https://ibb.co/6ypZDzs)
(https://i.ibb.co/Bf7PTbs/IMG-5986.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 18, 2021, 07:42:25 pm
Excellent progress Chris. I can't wait to see her on the water.
Cheers,
Chris - in Victoria, BC
HI Chris i wondered where you got too an you may have to wait a few yrs to see her on the wet stuff as this build is not even halfway yet but nice to hear from you Chris ATB Chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 18, 2021, 07:45:07 pm
A shot here of the funnel pipe S bend an it was a heck of a job to get this right https://ibb.co/cbCM4tv
(https://i.ibb.co/yhYGH5R/IMG-5987.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 18, 2021, 07:52:21 pm
But i mastered it in the end as it was so awkward as i when the S/S was on the hull i could not see what's what on the pipe postioning when my hand was in the way but here its done https://ibb.co/7JqZFH0
(https://i.ibb.co/qMvcwz2/IMG-5988.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 18, 2021, 07:54:37 pm
a shot here of the funnel removed so i could glue in the steam pipe with out gluein the funnell as well https://ibb.co/3Sw7B7P
(https://i.ibb.co/6D2mgmq/IMG-5990.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 18, 2021, 08:09:56 pm
AN now for the grand finenarlly it works ok so all that work is not in vain a few steamin pics an full steam ahead https://ibb.co/gwRymx0
(https://i.ibb.co/wCzyBfn/IMG-5978.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 18, 2021, 08:10:47 pm
https://ibb.co/987cL7m
(https://i.ibb.co/h7SLjSx/IMG-5979.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 18, 2021, 08:12:19 pm
an that that today an im very pleased on how this model is comin on chris https://ibb.co/449P6BJ
(https://i.ibb.co/ZctWnyN/IMG-5981.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: ballastanksian on January 18, 2021, 08:12:54 pm
That's an excellent out pouring !!
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 18, 2021, 08:21:26 pm
HI YEA im very pleased at this result as that funnel tube is over 14 inches long an i dint think that small 25 mm fan would push the steam out ok cheers for lookin in on the build chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on January 18, 2021, 08:38:08 pm
Looks good Chris :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 18, 2021, 09:15:18 pm
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 19, 2021, 07:19:53 am
AN THANK YOU Martin for bringing up my pics from the links very nice of you cheers ATB Chris :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 01, 2021, 08:46:07 pm
HI ALL just a small update today as ive been working on the hanger bay to get it all working first up the eletronics is now fitted so the servo morph works the hanger doors nice an slowly an here they are half way goin up https://ibb.co/N2DR4rj#
(https://i.ibb.co/d4CZht2/IMG-6025.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 01, 2021, 08:52:44 pm
next the lights come on by a knock on switch fitted to a servo arm an when the servo goes back to the closed postion then the lights go out an on the hanger section her there are a lot more lights to fit to shine up the flight deck https://ibb.co/L9bpPq6
(https://i.ibb.co/KVRyGQ7/IMG-6024.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 01, 2021, 08:57:14 pm
strenghing bars fitted an W/T door which opens an closes https://ibb.co/ctqBFRR
(https://i.ibb.co/mtpjqdd/IMG-6033.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 01, 2021, 08:59:59 pm
AN on the hanger bay bottom ive fitted all the eletronics to work what ive got so far but if they cause to much top wheight then they can just be unscrewed an moved down into the hull https://ibb.co/2qztsPw
(https://i.ibb.co/nrXcnfT/IMG-6035.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Chris Preston on February 02, 2021, 06:26:21 am
:-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on February 04, 2021, 03:51:42 pm
Coming along well Chris :-)) will you be detailing the inside of the hangers ?
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 04, 2021, 06:26:29 pm
HI Dave thanks but i will put in a little detail in the hanger but i dont think its worth putting to much in as most of it wont be seen so in my opinion an i know you put in a lot of detail in your hanger on your burke an a very nice job you made of it to :-)) but not for me chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 13, 2021, 09:21:25 am
HI ALL well ive started that dreaded PHOTO ETCH 965 radar an the instructions are not brilliant an it gave me some bits that were not shown on the instructions so its guess time an here its is an its quite big nearly 4 an half inches accross https://ibb.co/LRsCFTm
(https://i.ibb.co/W5RchrZ/IMG-6052.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 13, 2021, 09:24:46 am
next i just fitted two collets with their allen screws on a steel rod to just see where they need to be fixed to hold the radar ok on the mast https://ibb.co/P56cM36
(https://i.ibb.co/wKzS73z/IMG-6058.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 13, 2021, 09:30:20 am
AN then before i started building said unit i fitted down selotape to the surface so as its shiny the P/E wont stick to the board an i also taped down the etch so it cant move an i fitted on the panel edges some 1mm sqaure plastic strips to glue to https://ibb.co/3pr1Sy1
(https://i.ibb.co/c6gJ2cJ/IMG-6065.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 13, 2021, 09:35:46 am
https://ibb.co/pKYZYCg
(https://i.ibb.co/WzmFmSQ/IMG-6066.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 13, 2021, 09:38:00 am
an sprayed grey as it would be difficult to spray in side when built https://ibb.co/VWFSv3w
(https://i.ibb.co/Z6Q8hN2/IMG-6069.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 13, 2021, 09:39:41 am
here I've now started to fit the first panel onto the faceplate https://ibb.co/r0FRk6r
(https://i.ibb.co/H4Bf7z8/IMG-6098.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 13, 2021, 09:45:54 am
An now I've fitted no2 panel to hold the collects tight an square https://ibb.co/3788NHc
(https://i.ibb.co/NskkjzK/IMG-6099.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Capt Podge on February 13, 2021, 09:47:16 am
Looks good Chris, I know what you mean ref the instructions, but John at scale warship is aware there may need some clarification update to these.
HI DAVE yes they certainly do if he had fitted the fininshed pics clearly it would have been a great help but now for me its to late as ive built it to what i see on them insturctions if ive got it wrong well that a lesson learnt but at least it strong an wont brake easy so im pleased chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 13, 2021, 10:47:42 am
AN HERE all 16 panels glued down https://ibb.co/nwCP51j
(https://i.ibb.co/9ptZC4W/IMG-6102.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 13, 2021, 10:48:37 am
an back fitted https://ibb.co/KFjrNNs
(https://i.ibb.co/qkMr00g/IMG-6103.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 13, 2021, 10:50:16 am
AN HERE I've laid a ruler so how big it is can be seen https://ibb.co/HgPGkM9
(https://i.ibb.co/s31sMDX/IMG-6106.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 13, 2021, 10:54:19 am
an built an fitted on the main mast https://ibb.co/DMGQJv8
(https://i.ibb.co/QH8MgTC/IMG-6109.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 13, 2021, 10:57:48 am
Angle view https://ibb.co/0cR8rBJ
(https://i.ibb.co/c1SMQbT/IMG-6115.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Capt Podge on February 13, 2021, 11:27:17 am
Now, that's very, very impressive Chris - fine work indeed and a credit to you and the PE producer :-)
Regards, Ray.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 13, 2021, 02:38:34 pm
Now, that's very, very impressive Chris - fine work indeed and a credit to you and the PE producer :-)
Regards, Ray.
OH MANY THANKS Ray glad you like it well it took a week to build an the instructions were not great an im not a 100 per cent happy with it but best i could do an there are a few othe little things i want to put on it but that will do for now as got to rest the ole mk one eyeballs as even with the head magnifier its was a job to see so hence the eye strain but for now im doin the small radar on the back so it will be easyier on the ole eyes all best chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 27, 2021, 11:53:51 am
HI ALL update time on what I've been doing on tiger an I've built that 278 radar in brass an had some fun doing some soldering https://ibb.co/zV78Ynt
(https://i.ibb.co/3mMfqrP/IMG-6117.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 27, 2021, 11:56:33 am
an its on its mounting behind the main mast https://ibb.co/5Kb2K9t
(https://i.ibb.co/phYnhPG/IMG-6121.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 27, 2021, 11:59:02 am
AN HERE in this pic they are revolving at about the right speed from a 3v supply https://ibb.co/5Kb2K9t
(https://i.ibb.co/phYnhPG/IMG-6121.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 27, 2021, 12:00:00 pm
https://ibb.co/FKkNhWJ
(https://i.ibb.co/7Xx8SzV/IMG-6123.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 27, 2021, 12:05:02 pm
WELL that's the radars out of the way now onto building the hello landing control bubble that's sits on the top of the hanger looking down onto the flight deck https://ibb.co/jWqgdSx
(https://i.ibb.co/dLXGSR3/IMG-6126.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 27, 2021, 12:07:03 pm
an fitting in the light green glazing https://ibb.co/4WbNGcJ
(https://i.ibb.co/31xhqwk/IMG-6128.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 27, 2021, 12:12:04 pm
an some 2mm leds fitted in the wiring is not great as it is thin as a human hair an it broke very easy as it was a job to get to outer plastic covering off an the wires broke an kept getting shorter so in the end i thought well they wont be seen when the units built https://ibb.co/nL0BMfx
(https://i.ibb.co/4Vf2RMh/IMG-6139.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 27, 2021, 12:14:11 pm
some crew member fitted in the bubble https://ibb.co/8PP497q
(https://i.ibb.co/JrrFHsV/IMG-6141.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 27, 2021, 12:15:56 pm
an a crewman now comin out https://ibb.co/GtSgQs8
(https://i.ibb.co/yYjLFhZ/IMG-6142.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 27, 2021, 12:17:42 pm
front shot of the bubble https://ibb.co/ccvdbxn an that's all for now
(https://i.ibb.co/bg3nH79/IMG-6144.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Capt Podge on February 27, 2021, 01:07:36 pm
That's another nice looking bit of modelling - your ship is gonna be a stunner with all these bits and pieces going on - good work Chris :-))
Ray.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 27, 2021, 06:27:48 pm
That's another nice looking bit of modelling - your ship is gonna be a stunner with all these bits and pieces going on - good work Chris :-))
Ray.
HI RAY MANY THANKS for your nice comments an yea im pleased with how the build is goin an yea hopefully it will look good just got to hope my wife an i can lift it lol thanks for lookin in on the build ATB chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on February 28, 2021, 05:56:04 pm
Hi Chris, With the good weather, hope you can now get out to start the painting
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 28, 2021, 08:40:43 pm
Hi Chris, With the good weather, hope you can now get out to start the painting
HI Dave yea when its warmer as got a heck of a lot to spray gray as ive made some bits that i havnt yet shown as they are ready for the paint so roll on summer cheers dave chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 09, 2021, 04:45:17 pm
HI ALL WELL the work is continuing on tiger build an as i cant do much i thought id make up flood lighting for the flight deck using 3mm ulktrabright led's an here I've just made up two to see how compact i can make them https://ibb.co/QHgNnpw
(https://i.ibb.co/wQkWCBm/IMG-6152.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 09, 2021, 04:49:14 pm
an here ive now made up four an drilled out a brass 2mm box section bar for the lights to be soldered to https://ibb.co/7y2Z9j8
(https://i.ibb.co/5cBS7Gt/IMG-6153.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 09, 2021, 04:54:48 pm
an ive soldered on the four but will they work https://ibb.co/PhW0wKm
(https://i.ibb.co/1qXj81v/IMG-6155.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 09, 2021, 04:57:06 pm
an yes they do thank goodness an the brass box section is also the negative for the lights https://ibb.co/86xzfsK
(https://i.ibb.co/Rz6hsbv/IMG-6154.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 09, 2021, 04:58:41 pm
Now to go the whole hog an fit all eight led's https://ibb.co/YRMhpbJ
(https://i.ibb.co/JB4H5C8/IMG-6156.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 09, 2021, 04:59:42 pm
an again yes they all work ok https://ibb.co/vqy2bK9
(https://i.ibb.co/NCDwXHR/IMG-6161.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 09, 2021, 05:03:15 pm
an now there is another 4 more flood light fitted on the hanger back a little above the W/T DOOR IN THE PLANS an ive treid to keep to the plans but there are more wires https://ibb.co/f8Q5CdZ
(https://i.ibb.co/WDswcv7/IMG-6157.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 09, 2021, 05:05:18 pm
an the 4 lights made up as closely as possible an they work ok https://ibb.co/rdvYYhY
(https://i.ibb.co/MB9rrHr/IMG-6160.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on March 09, 2021, 05:10:03 pm
If we put Tiger and Roosevelt on the water together at night I think we would generate enough light to light up the pond :-)) :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 09, 2021, 05:12:56 pm
an here ive fitted them onto the back of the hanger where they should go but its a bit of a tight fit an ive fitted rolled up tishuse in the tubes so that when i spray them grey the paint wont go on the leds an nearly all wires are lives an one negative for power return https://ibb.co/NY6MLBf (https://ibb.co/NY6MLBf)
(https://i.ibb.co/C05fnG4/IMG-6162.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 09, 2021, 05:15:23 pm
An a overall shot of how the light will be placed on the hanger bay https://ibb.co/8r8HVk6
(https://i.ibb.co/n7kFSpz/IMG-6163.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 09, 2021, 05:37:00 pm
If we put Tiger and Roosevelt on the water together at night I think we would generate enough light to light up the pond :-)) :-))
HAHA dave yes i reckon we would {-) %) an ive not finished yet by a long shot as want to light up tiger with floodlighting like my norfolk so still got over 100 leds to fit in the right places to flood light all the S/S an if she is goin in harms way then a simple flick of the switch an she will be all blacked out but ive flood iit all my ships an when night sailing its as you say Dave the pond gets lit up an the ship looks real as i somtimes night sail up at sheringham pond in norfolk an the holliday makers love it an some nights its a job to try an pack up as they keep comin up an askin to see my norfolk sail all lit up an boy talk about the camera phones all come out an some of them get their phones right down to the water level an theyve shown me afterwards that norfolk looks nr real an they get very pleased an askin questions well then it a really nice eveing chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on March 09, 2021, 10:41:35 pm
Chris Thought the image might be of use showing the lights locations
Bob (https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2021/03/09/port-1058.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 10, 2021, 08:41:46 am
Chris Thought the image might be of use showing the lights locations
Bob (https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2021/03/09/port-1058.jpg)
HI Bob cheers for the pic but its different to my plan pics as in your pic there are two W/T doors an on my plans only one W/T door an the lights on my plan in a different location so all i can think as this ship was such a long time building in real that the builders altered it all around an i gone by my plans but thank you all the same ATB chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 29, 2021, 10:44:29 am
HI ALL well a few more update pics on what ive been up to on tiger an in the last pics i was getting the flightdeck hanger floodlights wired up well now here they are all fitted on the hanger top an workin an they are not all lined up properly yet but will do that later an they certainly lite up the flightdeck :-)) https://ibb.co/Vtfzf19
(https://i.ibb.co/xDxBxkL/IMG-6175.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 29, 2021, 10:54:06 am
Shot from starb showing portside floodlights lit up https://ibb.co/Fb7dygX
(https://i.ibb.co/bgdGCzF/IMG-6176.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 29, 2021, 10:56:41 am
AN SHOT from port showing starb lites workin https://ibb.co/rwWhgF0
(https://i.ibb.co/719DHjC/IMG-6177.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 29, 2021, 10:59:10 am
top view shot of the floodlghts brass bar as this is the negative for all 8 lights https://ibb.co/FKmvLRy
(https://i.ibb.co/bPQhMcC/IMG-6178.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 29, 2021, 11:00:38 am
https://ibb.co/Q9drfLL
(https://i.ibb.co/rks4mYY/IMG-6180.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 29, 2021, 11:02:51 am
overall shot of the hanger bay on the rear hull section https://ibb.co/Fz6t5jj
(https://i.ibb.co/VTV8gPP/IMG-6181.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 29, 2021, 11:05:41 am
top veiw shot of the triangle shape of the emgentcy steering con an ive yet to fit on the binical https://ibb.co/BtmPXzD
(https://i.ibb.co/rmgtC7P/IMG-6182.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 29, 2021, 11:08:43 am
side view shot of it an it has like the controll bubble got lights fitted in in both of them an opening doors https://ibb.co/KWK5F1T :-))
(https://i.ibb.co/4p1FPQh/IMG-6183.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on March 30, 2021, 12:01:35 pm
Coming along, hope with the upcoming good weather you may be able to get out to do some spray painting :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 30, 2021, 05:58:29 pm
Coming along, hope with the upcoming good weather you may be able to get out to do some spray painting :-))
HI Dave ive got to still finish rubbin down the hulls as im not really happy with it an then ive got to paint humbroll maskol in all the portholes glasses so then i can spray an im starting on this over easter wkend as this nice wheather today was unexspected so next lot of nice wheather i'll be ready to spray hope your burke is comin on well :-)) chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 05, 2021, 11:04:53 am
HI all well today's update is special as today its exsacley 2yrs ago to day that i started the build an so i thought well ive never yet put her altogeather to see what ive got for 2yrs of labour of love. So yesterday i did it an wow it shocked me at the sheer size of it what a whopper an the plans dont do it justice
SO I DID A PHOTO SHOOT OF IT PORT AN STARBOARD AN HERE THEY ARE :-)) https://ibb.co/kqVSBdh
(https://i.ibb.co/j39rfpL/IMG-6187.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 05, 2021, 11:05:52 am
https://ibb.co/s16LrhF
(https://i.ibb.co/2MsXBwj/IMG-6190.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 05, 2021, 11:06:29 am
https://ibb.co/3chcPpW
(https://i.ibb.co/sq3qXKQ/IMG-6191.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 05, 2021, 11:07:15 am
https://ibb.co/0f8MGds
(https://i.ibb.co/rZT6w1d/IMG-6192.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 05, 2021, 11:08:03 am
https://ibb.co/4YmY8Dz (https://ibb.co/4YmY8Dz)
AN here in this pic ive laid a 40 1nch ruler at the hull bottom to show the size of it
(https://i.ibb.co/3MrMp82/IMG-6193.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 05, 2021, 11:08:55 am
https://ibb.co/48sb61p
(https://i.ibb.co/qN0HtJp/IMG-6196.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 05, 2021, 11:09:37 am
https://ibb.co/KKyqVjt
(https://i.ibb.co/g4gTtM0/IMG-6197.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 05, 2021, 11:10:34 am
https://ibb.co/47CKqYQ
(https://i.ibb.co/vHfVFQt/IMG-6198.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 05, 2021, 11:11:19 am
https://ibb.co/HznCHxp
(https://i.ibb.co/58BkRnx/IMG-6200.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 05, 2021, 11:11:53 am
https://ibb.co/NFxh0LM
(https://i.ibb.co/QJ9BW64/IMG-6201.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 05, 2021, 11:12:48 am
https://ibb.co/G0QbtD7
(https://i.ibb.co/JKjMyTn/IMG-6202.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 05, 2021, 11:13:35 am
https://ibb.co/x8WBfm1
(https://i.ibb.co/84qfdzr/IMG-6203.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 05, 2021, 11:14:10 am
https://ibb.co/6nX1VkW
(https://i.ibb.co/K0KLRJr/IMG-6204.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 05, 2021, 11:15:39 am
https://ibb.co/L1xYTD3
(https://i.ibb.co/1Tr7CYk/IMG-6205.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 05, 2021, 11:17:14 am
AN HERE there is a massive gap in between the two funnels as thats where a big crane will be fitted an all the ships boats will be also be fitted as there is still so much more to be built an fitted on i rekon on another 2-3 yrs build time on this model an here every thing is just laid on but later it will all be screwed down so no warping of decks an such :-)) chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 05, 2021, 11:17:52 am
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 05, 2021, 11:24:21 am
now starboard side pics not so good as im shooting towards the window light >>:-( <*< %) But they are still watchable https://ibb.co/XFTbjmT
(https://i.ibb.co/ZcCVGyC/IMG-6216.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 05, 2021, 11:25:28 am
:embarrassed: https://ibb.co/9g0G0j4
(https://i.ibb.co/V9G3G8C/IMG-6220.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 05, 2021, 11:26:50 am
https://ibb.co/dc0w9b9
(https://i.ibb.co/FWbLvsv/IMG-6218.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 05, 2021, 11:27:24 am
https://ibb.co/wQmTjKC
(https://i.ibb.co/myWmgHt/IMG-6223.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 05, 2021, 11:28:03 am
https://ibb.co/D98h4rB
(https://i.ibb.co/x1fWhFn/IMG-6227.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 05, 2021, 11:30:16 am
An last shot of that big radar as i was very pleased at how that turned out https://ibb.co/fGBmnss
(https://i.ibb.co/3YGtMnn/IMG-6230.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Capt Podge on April 05, 2021, 12:17:14 pm
Hi Chris, you've made a great job of this build to date and you're shot of the mast (taken from down below) shows just how much work has been done to produce an accurate looking mast array. Considering the size of your model you have taken great care to add all the bits. Super job, well done thus far. :-))
Ray.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 05, 2021, 12:29:49 pm
Hi Chris, you've made a great job of this build to date and you're shot of the mast (taken from down below) shows just how much work has been done to produce an accurate looking mast array. Considering the size of your model you have taken great care to add all the bits. Super job, well done thus far. :-))
Ray.
HI Ray many thanks for your nice comments an yes after 2yrs build time im really gettin into the build an more important im enjoyin it an yesterday seeing it all together for the first time well i was a bit stunned at the size of this what a whopper but i mustant become complaceant as is its all still very fragile so untill i can screw it all down got to be carefull of how i hande things ATB to you AN HAPPY EASTER to you an yours chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Capt Podge on April 05, 2021, 12:43:53 pm
Cheers Chris and hope you and your family are keeping well. Eagerly awaiting your next updates... O0
Regards, Ray.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Chris Preston on April 05, 2021, 04:33:47 pm
Outstanding work, Chris - looking forward to seeing the completed build on the water.
Cheers,
Chris Preston Victoria, BC Canada
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on April 05, 2021, 04:51:39 pm
Hi Chris, Nice to see Tiger all together, it’s coming along very well :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 05, 2021, 06:27:22 pm
Cheers Chris and hope you and your family are keeping well. Eagerly awaiting your next updates... O0
Regards, Ray.
HI Again Ray thank you for your good whishes an it may be a while for anymore updates now as im not satisfied with the hull so im gonna rub it down again before then waiting for good wheather to spray in top colours :-)) ATB Chris an jen
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 05, 2021, 06:37:38 pm
Outstanding work, Chris - looking forward to seeing the completed build on the water.
Cheers,
Chris Preston Victoria, BC Canada
AN HI Chris long time no hear from you an thanks for the nice comment on tiger an still a heck of a lot to make an fit on her an on the water well it will be about another 3yrs or so before that happens ATB to you chris ps chris have you done any modeling ?
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 05, 2021, 06:43:10 pm
Hi Chris, Nice to see Tiger all together, it’s coming along very well :-))
AN HI Dave cheers for your nice comments also an ive been enjoyin lookin at your burke an that nice work as well ATB chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Chris Preston on April 05, 2021, 07:11:40 pm
Hi Chris,
Hope you and yours are doing well and surviving COVID. Yes - I'm getting some modelling done. I'm currently working on a 96th scale USS ARIZONA, a 24th scale BPB Co. 71' 6" MTB (RCN) and a 16th scale Sherman Firefly Mk Ic (Hybrid), using Tamiya's kit as a starting point (with lots of after-market for the conversion). All are for R/C. I'm also working on Airfix's new 48th scale Spitfire Mk I, and recently completed Tamiya's 1990's kit of the Spitfire Mk I, so - keeping busy modelling-wise.
Stay safe.
Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 05, 2021, 07:25:11 pm
Hope you and yours are doing well and surviving COVID. Yes - I'm getting some modelling done. I'm currently working on a 96th scale USS ARIZONA, a 24th scale BPB Co. 71' 6" MTB (RCN) and a 16th scale Sherman Firefly Mk Ic (Hybrid), using Tamiya's kit as a starting point (with lots of after-market for the conversion). All are for R/C. I'm also working on Airfix's new 48th scale Spitfire Mk I, and recently completed Tamiya's 1990's kit of the Spitfire Mk I, so - keeping busy modelling-wise.
Stay safe.
Cheers,
Chris
HI Again Chris lovely to hear from you again an all that modeling are you putting any thing on here as i havnt seen anything chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Chris Preston on April 06, 2021, 12:23:47 am
Hi Chris,
Haven't made enough progress on the ARIZONA to post photos, and in any event, I still have to figure out how to transfer the photos from my computer to this site (and I don't have a 12 year old IT specialist at home to help with that). So............once I 've made some progress on both I'll be posting photos.
Hope you're doing well.
Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 06, 2021, 07:31:11 am
Haven't made enough progress on the ARIZONA to post photos, and in any event, I still have to figure out how to transfer the photos from my computer to this site (and I don't have a 12 year old IT specialist at home to help with that). So............once I 've made some progress on both I'll be posting photos.
Hope you're doing well.
Cheers,
Chris
HI AGAIN Chris if you are havin trouble puttin pics on this site jion the free image hostin site im on IMGBB AS IM RUBBISH ON PC's but i can upload the pics from my pc to IMGBB an then load the image codes onto here as thats better than none at all then the guys just have to hit the link an up comes the pics from IMGBB an its a very easy to work site an if you want to do it like i do an have probs than ask me an i'll try an help you the best i can chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 24, 2021, 05:40:30 pm
HI ALL this is a two part update on her an now i feel as if im getting somewhere on her an here i made up a gadget to give me a straight water line on the hull but it dint work great so had to go by the ole mark one eyeball https://ibb.co/LPXH0KH
(https://i.ibb.co/sPdzg7z/P1020528.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 24, 2021, 05:43:47 pm
tamyia maskin tape on the hull an it was a heck of a job to get it reasonabley right but i think its now ok https://ibb.co/58btqrq
(https://i.ibb.co/C7RNxbx/P1020531.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 24, 2021, 05:47:06 pm
red anti fowl paint covered up with newspaper so it will be kept clean when i spray the grey hull top colour :-)) https://ibb.co/BTZpvLy
(https://i.ibb.co/nQcG4r7/P1020532.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 24, 2021, 05:49:00 pm
an the top grey all sprayed up on the hull https://ibb.co/5vyT5pT
(https://i.ibb.co/Y8M2tn2/P1020538.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 24, 2021, 05:52:42 pm
now news paper removed an thank goodness it came up ok as this last pic for today but will post a few more over the next few day of the black water line bein painted https://ibb.co/jDGCndw :-))
(https://i.ibb.co/7KV3sHp/P1020540.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Capt Podge on April 24, 2021, 06:11:57 pm
Great to see the hull in paint Chris - hope your boot topping goes just as well :-)
Ray.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Chris Preston on April 24, 2021, 07:14:54 pm
Excellent work Chris - looks great. Looking forward to seeing photos of her on the water.
Cheers,
Chris, Victoria, BC Canada
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: RST on April 24, 2021, 07:38:47 pm
I was always taught not to use newspaper in contact with the painted surface below because the ink can bleed through but fair enough -it looks grand!
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 25, 2021, 10:03:00 am
Great to see the hull in paint Chris - hope your boot topping goes just as well :-)
Ray.
HI Ray cheers for your good wishes on boot toppin as im painting that today an yea i feel as though im makin progress on this hull would have loved a F/G hull in 1/72 scale but they dont do one which would have saved a lot of work but onwards an upwards ATB CHRIS
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 25, 2021, 10:06:53 am
Excellent work Chris - looks great. Looking forward to seeing photos of her on the water.
Cheers,
Chris, Victoria, BC Canada
AN HI Chris an thank you for your nice comments an on the water well can you wait about another 3yrs or so lol an hope you are well ps have you found out yet how to post pics on here ? chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 25, 2021, 10:12:02 am
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[/l] I was always taught not to use newspaper in contact with the painted surface below because the ink can bleed
HI RST YEA ive heard people say that about news print in comin through onto the paint work but in all my ships ive built ive never had that happen so i carry on ATB CHRIS :-))
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Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: kevin547n on April 25, 2021, 01:43:44 pm
lovely to catch up on your build, boy its come on a long way, fantastic work
had a giggle when i saw your 9th March post and saw the wooden deadeyes under the led lighting, i thought to myself, one day you will be looking for them
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 25, 2021, 10:53:20 pm
lovely to catch up on your build, boy its come on a long way, fantastic work
had a giggle when i saw your 9th March post and saw the wooden deadeyes under the led lighting, i thought to myself, one day you will be looking for them
HI Kevin glad you like the build yea she has come a long way an still got further to go but today beginging to paint her black W/L so i'll see how that turns out an what was the woodendeyes ? ATB chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: kevin547n on April 26, 2021, 11:11:17 am
HI Kevin glad you like the build yea she has come a long way an still got further to go but today beginging to paint her black W/L so i'll see how that turns out an what was the woodendeyes ? ATB chris
OH YEA Kevin i see now what you mean yea i used them to represent loud speakers as something simlar on the plans an when the hangar is all spreyed grey so will they be so they will blend in :-)) [size=78%]an cheers for lookin in on the build an to be honest i dint think hardly anyone is lookin in on the build so nice to see you an the other guys lookin in [/size] :-)) [/size][size=78%]ATB CHRIS [/size]
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: kevin547n on April 26, 2021, 03:15:08 pm
yes all the forums seam to be quiet this year, but i still have builds i follow, and call in every now and again, i started following your build whilst doing my Fleetscale 1/72 HMS Fife
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 26, 2021, 05:34:42 pm
yes all the forums seam to be quiet this year, but i still have builds i follow, and call in every now and again, i started following your build whilst doing my Fleetscale 1/72 HMS Fife
OH WELL Kevin im glad you guys are followin the build as it makes puttin on the build worth it an is you HMS Fife on here ? chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Chris Preston on April 26, 2021, 06:36:11 pm
Hi Chris,
Yes - please continue posting updates and photos of your progress - it's very motivational for the rest of us.
Cheers,
Chris - in Victoria, BC
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 26, 2021, 07:11:00 pm
Yes - please continue posting updates and photos of your progress - it's very motivational for the rest of us.
Cheers,
Chris - in Victoria, BC
WILL DO Chris as long as my pc dont crash again an if it helps you all then good for us all then. AN im now goin to post a few more upate pics of the boot line bein done an cor it was a job to get the lines straight as poissible due to the hull curves as ive had tape on an off 4 times because the lines just dint look right but hopefully ive now manageded it chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Chris Preston on April 26, 2021, 07:14:37 pm
:-)) :-)) Chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 26, 2021, 08:32:51 pm
WELL HI all again well hope fully ive think ive mandaged the boot toppin an it looks reasonable to me after much tearin out of my hair tryin to get the lines level lol https://ibb.co/k1Td4cC
(https://i.ibb.co/zJgkXfv/P1020542.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 26, 2021, 08:33:58 pm
https://ibb.co/fXCD44P
(https://i.ibb.co/sgFWyyM/P1020543.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 26, 2021, 08:37:27 pm
an thank goodness for tamyia maskin tape as its given nice sharp lines an bottom line now bein gently removed https://ibb.co/w6c9bLQ
(https://i.ibb.co/9YZFfv4/P1020544.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 26, 2021, 08:40:00 pm
an now the top tape fingers crossed for no leaks under the tape https://ibb.co/zhxxT5Z
(https://i.ibb.co/XZLLr4t/P1020545.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 26, 2021, 08:41:26 pm
an phew seems ok https://ibb.co/yhCbjVF :-))
(https://i.ibb.co/hXNtzCF/P1020546.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 26, 2021, 08:42:06 pm
https://ibb.co/QNcWsP3
(https://i.ibb.co/KqGtC2p/P1020547.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 26, 2021, 08:43:51 pm
an yes to me it looks straight
https://ibb.co/cvNRwcZ
(https://i.ibb.co/xsMwYSB/P1020548.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 26, 2021, 08:49:38 pm
nice bow shot now it will be soon time when paint hardens off to fit all the draught markins an penant NO's an the letter nr the rear sayin TIGER then it will be time to spray her all over with clear laquer https://ibb.co/FHq4Gpf
(https://i.ibb.co/y4BFL2M/P1020550.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Chris Preston on April 26, 2021, 09:00:01 pm
Looks straight to me. :-))
Chris, in Victoria, BC
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 26, 2021, 09:07:21 pm
WELL Chris if you think it does well i'll leave well alone an carry on to the next stage cheers for your comment my self doubt has flown out of the window lol ATB chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Capt Podge on April 26, 2021, 09:15:32 pm
Looks to be a good straight line to me as well Chris. On the bow photo I think there's a very slight bit where the black has crept under the masking and onto the grey. :o
I'd hate to see you go ahead with the lacquer and then have to rub it down again. Hope you can just touch in the grey over the black ok?
Ray.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 26, 2021, 10:52:06 pm
Looks to be a good straight line to me as well Chris. On the bow photo I think there's a very slight bit where the black has crept under the masking and onto the grey. :o
I'd hate to see you go ahead with the lacquer and then have to rub it down again. Hope you can just touch in the grey over the black ok?
Ray.
HI RAY nice to see you on here an yes there is a mark just above the top black line onto the grey but its not paint its a pencil mark so i could line up the maskin tape so i will easy just paint grey over it an thank you for bein very observant as i have several other pencil lines to eraze but first im leavin the hull be an let the paint harden off then its onto the next stages cheers for stoppin chris :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Capt Podge on April 26, 2021, 11:24:19 pm
Hiya Chris, well that's good news about the pencil marks, thanks for letting us know. Just glad it's all ok... And you're right to leave the hull paint to harden off. :-))
Ray.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 27, 2021, 08:55:23 am
Hiya Chris, well that's good news about the pencil marks, thanks for letting us know. Just glad it's all ok... And you're right to leave the hull paint to harden off. :-))
Ray.
HI Again Ray yes it is good news for me as building this hull has been a heck of a battle as at times i nr give up an then i think youre got to carry on as i have to much money invested in this an a collector wants her when ive finshed with her an he asks how its comin on an like you i have sevral others askin how the build is goin so i feel oblegated to finish her an this is my last big build as gettin on an thank you Martin for puttin on my pics so quick cheers :-)) ATB all chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on April 30, 2021, 07:49:31 am
HI Chris,
Nice to see the weather has been good, so you could paint Tiger, looks a good job.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 30, 2021, 11:07:09 am
Nice to see the weather has been good, so you could paint Tiger, looks a good job.
HI Dave yea i was lucky to get that nice spell of fairly warm an sunny wheather as my wife jen said get your ship ready now as i had to paint humbroll maskol over all the porthole glass an there was quite a few to do an that took a half a day an then markin out the paint lines so i could spray paint her an yes im pleased that the outcome was positive an now im letting the paint harden for a few days or so an then all the decalls an then 4 coats of clear lauqer sprayin to give it all a good hard coat hope to see some more work on your burke when you can ATB CHRIS
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on May 01, 2021, 05:35:26 pm
Chris Thought you might like to see this, bridge work on C99 Blake
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on May 01, 2021, 09:02:48 pm
Chris Don't have Blake Chris, just one of the 1000+ images of Tiger Class in my archive
Bob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 02, 2021, 10:20:14 am
COR many thanks Bob that shot of the crane will be very helpfull to me as im now building it but ive had to fit my cable pulley wheels in side the jib as i have had to make my jib hinge in two so that the crane jib fouls back on its self as its quite big nr a foot long so when in transport it wont get damaged an im hopein to fit some led lights on the end of the jib as on my plans it shows two lights pointing down for the operater to see what he's lifting :-)) ATB Bob chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: ballastanksian on May 02, 2021, 03:21:52 pm
I caught up with your build at the two year mark and thought how much work you had crammed into two short years! Everything is lovely about this build. from the brass work to the finish of the hull. She'll be a marvel on the water Chris!
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 02, 2021, 05:32:41 pm
I caught up with your build at the two year mark and thought how much work you had crammed into two short years! Everything is lovely about this build. from the brass work to the finish of the hull. She'll be a marvel on the water Chris!
HI [size=78%]ballastanksian[/size][/size][size=78%] MANY THANKS FOR YOUR NICE COMMENTS ON my build an yes ive been gettin stuck into this build as i want to finish her before bad helalth gets me as gettin on an yes she should look nice when she's done an ive just got to hope that the pond is still there lol to sail her on [/size] [/size][size=78%]thanks for lookin in [/size] [/size][size=78%]chris [/size]
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on May 03, 2021, 01:52:32 pm
Just a little difficult to understand how this form of pollution could have been left un-cleaned >>:-( on a Vessel whilst in a Commissioned role
So can only assume the image is of the Vessel in a de-Commissioned state?...
Having said this, I do not understand the source or type of contamination/polution [fluid?] over the vertical structure siding below??
Derek
HI Derek i think by the looks of it in the pics she's bein scrapped so you are right she is [size=78%] [/size][/size][size=78%]de-Commissioned state?.. pity but im gonna make sure my tiger does'nt get to this state lol[/size] [/size][size=78%]chris[/size]
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: warspite on May 05, 2021, 10:01:33 am
Obviously hydraulic fluid leakage when they removed the lattice crane and other issues when not being in use i.e. awaiting to be scrapped :embarrassed:
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 05, 2021, 11:52:12 am
Obviously hydraulic fluid leakage when they removed the lattice crane and other issues when not being in use i.e. awaiting to be scrapped :embarrassed:
HI Warspite yea i think you are right as that would happen when scrapping things pity as she was a nice looking ship chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on May 05, 2021, 02:13:02 pm
Just a little difficult to understand how this form of pollution could have been left un-cleaned >>:-( on a Vessel whilst in a Commissioned role
So can only assume the image is of the Vessel in a de-Commissioned state?...
Having said this, I do not understand the source or type of contamination/polution [fluid?] over the vertical structure siding below??
Derek Just looking at the image shows it is not in commission and the marks are from cutters torches, this/was HMS Blake being cut for scrap.
Bob
Derek
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 06, 2021, 06:50:57 pm
HI ALL ANOTHER SMALL UPDATE ON HER AN now ive been fitting on her draught markinds an penant N/O.s https://ibb.co/qkYWrcf (https://i.ibb.co/jgkWrQ2/P1020589.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 06, 2021, 06:54:08 pm
an to make sure the markins are straight an upright i used a set sqaure on them https://ibb.co/b6mpq25 (https://i.ibb.co/Tw2zpbM/P1020579.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 06, 2021, 06:54:49 pm
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 06, 2021, 06:57:18 pm
an bow draught markins https://ibb.co/wWZTwC2 (https://i.ibb.co/mqrmXtP/P1020586.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 06, 2021, 06:58:15 pm
port side penant no.s https://ibb.co/BLYDbfV (https://i.ibb.co/NxGh5F6/P1020587.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 06, 2021, 07:01:24 pm
an again on straboad side fitting penant no.s with a set sqaure an maskin tape to make sure they are level https://ibb.co/jb1XBkr (https://i.ibb.co/ZGkDtzM/P1020583.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 06, 2021, 07:03:57 pm
an they are on ok https://ibb.co/BfH31VK next up is sprayin her in hher clear gloss lauqer 4 coats to help with the water proffin (https://i.ibb.co/0np2wjV/P1020584.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 06, 2021, 07:08:12 pm
AN NOW ive started tryin to build this big crane jib an i know its not entirely arccrute but im useing up spare brass P/E an brass angle https://ibb.co/sKVGBm1 (https://i.ibb.co/rxwSW7p/P1020565.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 06, 2021, 07:13:09 pm
an here more spare BRASS P/E to use on the jib if i can i may get the crane workin but will see on that as more top wheight i dont really want https://ibb.co/pWSDt1m (https://i.ibb.co/Rhqnxg5/P1020567.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 06, 2021, 07:14:26 pm
here the crane jib nr built https://ibb.co/BwdfJb2 (https://i.ibb.co/t3kH6gp/P1020569.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 06, 2021, 07:18:18 pm
AN IVE HAD to put the wire rope roller wheels inside the jib as i have make it to fold up so it dont get damadged in transport https://ibb.co/CQDc5yd (https://i.ibb.co/zZDMhgc/P1020570.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 06, 2021, 07:28:01 pm
an i fitted lights on as well https://ibb.co/5TDZ8cP (https://i.ibb.co/dB9Z2KR/P1020575.jpg) AN NEXT I'LL try an make up the cranes mounting but i first gonna give it a bit of thought to see if i can get the crane to work chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: ballastanksian on May 08, 2021, 02:45:27 pm
Steady wins the race! That looks a fine piece of work, and I like the planning you have done for transport. One less thing to get stuck in the roof of the car/low hanging branch at the lake side/floppy jumper sleeve!!!
I know you have done the decals now so by all means ignore me, but if you spray the areas you are applying decals with gloss varnish, it prevents silvering caused by the decal backing trapping squillions of air bubbles as found in the gaps between the matt paint particles.
The Pennant numbers won't suffer as there's no backing :)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 08, 2021, 06:16:19 pm
HI ballastanksian
JUST to be sure on them decals im gonna fit some on a scrap bit of wood an the spray lauqer them an see if ok thanks for the heads up chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on May 08, 2021, 07:59:28 pm
She coming along Chris, will be nice to see her on the water in time :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 08, 2021, 08:46:14 pm
She coming along Chris, will be nice to see her on the water in time :-))
THANKS Dave an im lookin forward to it but still a lot to do on her before that happens an your burke looks great an she will also look great on the water chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: derekwarner on May 09, 2021, 12:12:52 am
mmmmmmmmmm... >>:-( difficiult to find the correct adjective for the word 'fine'........ 'fineness' would not pass the Pub Test'
....filigree is not applicable for such light & fragile brass lattice type work *&(*&*^^%%^ ...as the elements lose their fragility when assembled
Excellent result :-)) .....will need just the lightest whisper of paint :P to maintain the delicate structure :-)) [or is it delicateness?]
Derek
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 09, 2021, 07:26:56 am
JUST to be sure on them decals im gonna fit some on a scrap bit of wood an the spray lauqer them an see if ok thanks for the heads up chris
HI[/size]ballastanksian well i did some tests on a scrap bit of wood that i used to see if the clear lauqer would attack the paint an it was ok on all the colours so last night i fitted some spare decals on the test bit an then sprayed over the decals an it looks fine as far as i can see no silvering under the decals so should be ok on that but when ever i do an anything like this i always test first as there is a lot of dosh invested in tiger an i dont want to mess it up if i can help it as a boaty m8 done this he dint do a test bit an his paint crazed on his hull how he's got over it i dont know as i havnt seen him yet as we now comin out of lockdown will have a look when i can chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 09, 2021, 07:40:40 am
mmmmmmmmmm... >>:-( difficiult to find the correct adjective for the word 'fine'........ 'fineness' would not pass the Pub Test'
....filigree is not applicable for such light & fragile brass lattice type work *&(*&*^^%%^ ...as the elements lose their fragility when assembled
Excellent result :-)) .....will need just the lightest whisper of paint :P to maintain the delicate structure :-)) [or is it delicateness?]
Derek
HI Derek thank you for your nice comment on sayin Excellent result on that brass crane jib but its not delicate in fact its quite strong but as its gonna be postioned right near the bow end hull jiont if i dint make it fold up it would be stickin out off the hull by nr 6inches an it would most certainly got damaged when in transport to the pond so makein it fold up is a must thank you for lookin in at the build :-)) chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on May 09, 2021, 09:43:53 pm
Hi Chris Hope you don't mind me posting these shots of my Tiger all wrapped up ready for the application of the BSI 381C-676 paint, finally got enough to be able to correct the incorrect grey used earlier, just need the weather now.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 10, 2021, 07:21:17 am
Hi Chris[/size]Hope you don't mind me posting these shots of my Tiger all wrapped up ready for the application of the BSI 381C-676 paint, finally got enough to be able to correct the incorrect grey used earlier, just need the weather now. (Bob Qoute)
HI Bob no probs what are you reworkin her completely ? as after a few yrs or so these ships need a repaint dont they as i have found out an done how long have you had her now ? An yes waiting for the warm wheather can take months as i have found out tryin to paint spray my TIGER as i missed the chance back in in the end of march we had a couple of days of warm wheather but i after that i kept an eye on the wheather forecast now
but yesterday we got a nice sunny warm day so it was panic stations an get the hulls down into the garage so i could spray the 4 coats of clear lauqer on the hulls
an that lauqer as it stinks something terrible an me even with a double masks on an goggles on it gave me a headacke an had to get out an away from it fast as its ok an losses the smell when its gone dry an hard but im not best pleased with the finish but like on my other ships after a little while it will wheather down an look better then i can carry on to the next stage but for now will have to leave it alone an let that lauqer go off an harden for a week or so chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on May 10, 2021, 12:17:19 pm
Chris Not a rework but when I originally finished her order the light weather works paint, did a test spray and all seemed ok, but having painted her it dried to the shade of the grey used before that, much like Cavalier at Chatham. This time decided to use an airbrush and wait till I could get enough of the grey, all in place just need the weather now
Bob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 10, 2021, 09:00:34 pm
Chris Not a rework but when I originally finished her order the light weather works paint, did a test spray and all seemed ok, but having painted her it dried to the shade of the grey used before that, much like Cavalier at Chatham. This time decided to use an airbrush and wait till I could get enough of the grey, all in place just need the weather now
Bob
YEA Bob that was my problem the weather but ive managed to spray her yestereday as it was nice an sunny an warm here with clear lauqer 4 coats chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on May 10, 2021, 09:59:51 pm
Miserable and wet with intermittent burst of sun lasting Nano seconds. Never used lacquer, much prefer one coat matt varnish, but its what works for us isn't it.
bob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 10, 2021, 10:52:13 pm
Miserable and wet with intermittent burst of sun lasting Nano seconds. Never used lacquer, much prefer one coat matt varnish, but its what works for us isn't it.
bob
HI Bob yes the weather has been a devil as you never know how it will work now one its sunny an warm nxt day its hail an sleet crazy isnt it an this is may i dont think we will get much nice weather afore sept stay well Bob ATB Chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 11, 2021, 09:34:59 am
HI Bob when you get your tiger all sprayed up can you please post some pics of her on here if you like or on your thread either one :-)) chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 11, 2021, 01:28:07 pm
Until I can get Roosevelt on the water for a test ballasting I don’t know how much more ballast she will need to bring her down to the correct water line. I’ve do prelim checks in the hot tube, this showed she still requires additional ballas [/size](Dave Qoute) from his burke thread [/size] [/size]AN hi Dave yea getting the ballast correct is a HECK of a job especially when i was building my big USS NIMITZ CVN-68 here in her test tank as there was so much over hang from the flightdeck was nr 2an a half feet wide an now my TIGER will be hopefully in the test tank in a month or so [/size]https://ibb.co/Tt46RPVchris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 11, 2021, 03:32:51 pm
AN NIMTZ at water level veiw in test tank https://ibb.co/25gM38g
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on May 11, 2021, 09:38:03 pm
Ha Ha love it Chris First three coats on Tiger, think you can see a big difference in colour not correct standards paint used.
Bob (https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2021/05/12/IMG_0972.jpg)
HI Bob glad you like my test tank as its been a very handy item an glad you getting her resprayed in normal grey an you say you are tweeking the bridge an such so is this repairing the damage you got on hitting that bit of concrete overhang as thats nearly happened to me chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on May 13, 2021, 10:46:22 pm
Chris Tweaking the bridge involves replacing the top of the mast (done) and fitting new SCOT domes platforms in correct location and adding the new SCOT domes and bases. then a coat of grey, add the pennant numbers and we are done. Bob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 14, 2021, 06:52:00 am
Chris Tweaking the bridge involves replacing the top of the mast (done) and fitting new SCOT domes platforms in correct location and adding the new SCOT domes and bases. then a coat of grey, add the pennant numbers and we are done. Bob
HI Bob oh so very glad you have repaired the mast an new scott domes on her could you please send a couple of pics of her when she is done chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 19, 2021, 08:11:34 pm
HI ALL UPDATE TIME AN im thinking of leaveing the ships crane for a while so i can think up how to get it to work if possible so ive been working on spraying the hull with clear lauqer to give her a better bit of water proffing an now ive done that ive stripped off the maskin tape so the lovely stainless steel prop tube are now seen https://ibb.co/4JVjV38
(https://i.ibb.co/GF5V5NW/P1020590.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 19, 2021, 08:21:22 pm
an now some pics on how far shes got with her stabilizers all fitted in an her big rudder as well fitted in an props all fitted on an soon now will be test tank time but first i fitted in some metal L SHAPE angels to give the hull jiont more strenght https://ibb.co/SxnqxLt
(https://i.ibb.co/7zW7z9n/P1020593.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 19, 2021, 08:22:40 pm
an all painted up a nice white so look nice an neat https://ibb.co/BBNmmfr
(https://i.ibb.co/KWwYY5L/P1020599.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 19, 2021, 08:23:17 pm
https://ibb.co/3d5xPDk
(https://i.ibb.co/Khct8Mm/P1020594.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 19, 2021, 08:23:50 pm
https://ibb.co/LRRcbbj
(https://i.ibb.co/6wwTVV9/P1020600.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 19, 2021, 08:25:34 pm
an here some shots of the props an shafts https://ibb.co/sRtnX7p
(https://i.ibb.co/GpFyrmf/P1020601.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 19, 2021, 08:26:06 pm
https://ibb.co/DwBBYXC
(https://i.ibb.co/RQXXNn0/P1020602.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 19, 2021, 08:27:12 pm
rudder shot https://ibb.co/M7JGZQm
(https://i.ibb.co/hVTZLwS/P1020603.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 19, 2021, 08:28:54 pm
https://ibb.co/sQQwwDR an now soon in the test tank for water tests
(https://i.ibb.co/82255Rs/P1020608.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on May 19, 2021, 09:23:42 pm
Paint job looking good Chris :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 20, 2021, 09:28:42 am
CHEERS Dave :-)) just got to leave it a few days for the paint to harden off an then need nice wheather an she will be in her water test tank for testing chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 28, 2021, 07:43:35 pm
HI ALL JUST A FEW PICS ON WHAT IVE BEEN DOIN ON HER WHILE I WAIT FOR BETTER WHEATHER TO DO A WATER TEST >>:-( <*< :-)) ANY WAY ANKORS FITTED https://ibb.co/NjJZBdH
(https://i.ibb.co/J7G5JwM/P1020613.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 28, 2021, 07:45:09 pm
AN LOVE TO SEE THEM DANGLE ON THEIR CHAINS https://ibb.co/6PhzRSK
(https://i.ibb.co/T8X6BGQ/P1020616.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 28, 2021, 07:45:55 pm
https://ibb.co/kgFDNKT
(https://i.ibb.co/fY7NjMW/P1020617.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 28, 2021, 07:46:48 pm
BOW VIEW https://ibb.co/ygjRKvC
(https://i.ibb.co/9y5vBK0/P1020618.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 28, 2021, 07:50:15 pm
AN I JUST PUT HER TOGEATHER AGAIN NOW SHE HAS GOT A BIT OF COLOUR ON HER HULL https://ibb.co/ByHcY85
(https://i.ibb.co/rxKFXnR/P1020619.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 28, 2021, 07:50:58 pm
https://ibb.co/5BgTh0V
(https://i.ibb.co/V2cVY18/P1020620.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 28, 2021, 07:51:54 pm
(https://ibb.co/1XR6JPB)
(https://i.ibb.co/X5F8kK6/P1020621.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 28, 2021, 07:52:34 pm
https://ibb.co/GHfLwtp :-))
(https://i.ibb.co/HhLsvx4/P1020624.jpg)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on May 28, 2021, 08:14:17 pm
She Huge, but coming long nice build Chris :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 28, 2021, 08:36:44 pm
HI Dave yea she is a biggy isnt she lookin forward to putting her in the test tank over wk end if nice weather chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 28, 2021, 09:52:19 pm
THANK YOU Martin for bringing up my pics :-)) cheers chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 30, 2021, 08:00:06 pm
HI ALL UPDATE ON WATER TESTS [/size]an i put her in the test tank an loaded her down with about 30 pounds of batts an after half an hr she had two tiny bubble leaks in her hull[/color][/size]
so took batts out an took her out of the tank an then just poured in some resin over the small areas an then back into the tank an put back in the batts an she was ok for near about 3hrs in the tank an no more leaks im pleased to say an the shock test went ok as we lift her up an give her a shake with a big batt in the centre of the hull an jen said no cracking sounds so that test passed ok[/color][/size]an stabilty was reasonable but i think im gonna fit a keel weight on her as i dont want to have to fit all those big batts in when i sail her so the keel wheight will be the way to go SO IN OTHER WORDS SHE PASSED HER TESTS OK an now some picces but they are not that good as over the yrs livin here jen has fitted around my test tank a lot of bushes an plants so i could not get right down to take pics of tiger in the tank an i took about 80 pics an here now ive just picked out the best ones an they are a little blured as the sun light was so bright on the white plasti card super structure it caused a little light reflection so my auto camera cut down the light so not so good picsanyway 1st picces just in the tank an no batts weghts in her as i just wanted to see how she floated https://ibb.co/94qjHG8[/size]
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 30, 2021, 08:00:47 pm
https://ibb.co/YNXTMKs
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 30, 2021, 08:02:07 pm
shot of the really heavy batts https://ibb.co/d7NQT5P
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 30, 2021, 08:09:32 pm
here the two areas where she had tiny leaks >>:-( <:( an just poured on some resin an more leaks <*< i thought that she would leak in about a dozen places but i was surprised :-)) one tiny leak in the stern section as you can see where by the orange resin https://ibb.co/r5mpLm1
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 30, 2021, 08:10:37 pm
an other leak in the front right nr the bow thruster https://ibb.co/r4KWZz1
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 30, 2021, 08:12:59 pm
an with all four heavy batts in to do a water pressure test an it pushed her down to about half way on her black water line https://ibb.co/m5MHLtY
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 30, 2021, 08:14:12 pm
stern area https://ibb.co/2hjNnCt
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 30, 2021, 08:16:39 pm
some shots here with her S/S ON BUT no heavy masts yet https://ibb.co/NyJxMfZ
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 30, 2021, 08:17:31 pm
https://ibb.co/d7vBhdf
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 30, 2021, 08:18:13 pm
https://ibb.co/vkqYLsv
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 30, 2021, 08:19:11 pm
https://ibb.co/PCMXmH9
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 30, 2021, 08:19:43 pm
https://ibb.co/yYnKPr7
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 30, 2021, 08:21:06 pm
an finally with her masts on https://ibb.co/7jYLbqc
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 30, 2021, 08:21:39 pm
https://ibb.co/Qk2kJtV
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 30, 2021, 08:22:13 pm
https://ibb.co/d7PF4WH
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 30, 2021, 08:22:49 pm
https://ibb.co/nCvQHfX
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 30, 2021, 08:25:02 pm
an fineally SWMBO gives the all good sign as she was helpin me on this https://ibb.co/GcZP7hC :-)) chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 23, 2021, 10:36:36 pm
HI ALL well since the water tests went well ive now been experimenting with the hull strenght as the last thing i want to happen is the hull breakin in half due to a weak jiont when loaded with big batterys up the pond so thats what been happening big batts in an my wife jen helped me to lift tiger loaded with big batts an im pleased to say she passed her lift test an no hull crackin an in the linkpic a shot of the batts against my hand for scale https://ibb.co/3CzZL24
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 23, 2021, 10:49:43 pm
BUT IM THINKING OF JUST USEING TWO 12 AMP HR BATTS RATHER THAN THE REALLY BIG 2O APM HR SO HERE IT IS https://ibb.co/mvyGz5M
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 23, 2021, 10:56:18 pm
AN IF NEEDED A KEEL WEIGHT TWO X HALF AN INCH BY HALF AN INCH STEEL BARS BOLTED TO THE HALF INCH KEEL AN A SHOT HERE AN SHE HAS GOT ABOUT 5 BOLT HOLES IN THE FRONT HALF AN THE SAME IN THE REAR SECTION HULL https://ibb.co/LzXGGRX
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 23, 2021, 10:58:33 pm
CLOSE UP SHOT OF THE BOLT HOLES AN IVE FITTED IN THE HOLES PLASTIC TUBES SO THE WATER WONT GET INTO THE WOOD KEEL https://ibb.co/Z6k6mLy
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 23, 2021, 11:03:27 pm
AN HERE the shot of both steel keel wheight as she will have 4 two the front an two on the rear section hull https://ibb.co/gWkwvbm
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 23, 2021, 11:06:14 pm
close up shot of the keel wheights all drilled out an ready to take the nuts an blots to hold on the keel wheights https://ibb.co/YTpq5cR
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 23, 2021, 11:09:40 pm
an a over all shot of the front wheights just clamped on the main keel an it wont be seen but may make a big difference https://ibb.co/JnvPMWt :-)) chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on June 24, 2021, 05:00:44 pm
Chris, I assume you will put this keel on when you get to the lake ?
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 24, 2021, 08:09:18 pm
Chris, I assume you will put this keel on when you get to the lake ?
HI Dave i will only put this keel wheight on if she needs it as this size of hull is like my nimitz carrier an i made up these keel wheights an she sailed ok an dint need it but tiger is so much different due to the fact that she has some big an fairly heavy S/S on her an for the wind to catch so this keel is a just in case job but i always like to think ahead as it easyily just bolts on so no problem an as its right under the hull an wont be seen :-)) chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on July 22, 2021, 11:11:59 pm
Chris Thought you might like to see these. 1/96 scale built by a memebr of hMS Tiger group, built in 18 months.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 23, 2021, 08:37:39 am
HI Bob oh cheers for them pics of tiger is this that admirillty model ? as it looks fantastic if mine comes up half as good as this i will be well pleased but at the moment im still stuck on my motors problem as ive got 3 motors running ok but for some reason no.3 motor was a bit stiff turning so i too all the motors out an regeased all 4 prop shafts an they turn quite easy an not stiff
an they seem ok so put it all back in an that no. 3 motor was still stiff so i dissconected it from the BECC ESC an wired it up to my 40 meg esc an usin the 40meg T/X let it on its own just run at about quarter throutle to see if it needed to be run in an after about 15 mins it started to smoke so i stopped it quick an disscneoted the batt leads an took the motor out an yes it was burning out
So i oreded two more new motors an when they came i fitted a new motor in an ran all four motor on the BECC system an i thuoght great im gettin somewhere but after a few mins that no' 3 motor was gettin very warm but yet all the other motors were hardly warm so ive taken out the motor an the motor mounts just in case its not lined up properly SO today i'll try an find out why that no'3 motor is gettin hot an try fittin in a coolin fan on it when ive fitted new mounts in chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on July 23, 2021, 09:10:10 am
Chris Nope just a home made model ike ours. You know that freq has not affect on the esc as they only do what they re told by the rx. It seems odd that one motor is burning up. Wish I was nearer. Did you try the seperate battery pack for the rx?
Bob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on July 23, 2021, 12:43:42 pm
Chris,
Sorry to hear your still having issues, it’s strange that motor 3 is alway the motor that’s giving issue. Keep with it , your get there. As Rob said sorry I’m not closer to help.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 23, 2021, 03:27:16 pm
Chris Nope just a home made model ike ours. You know that freq has not affect on the esc as they only do what they re told by the rx. It seems odd that one motor is burning up. Wish I was nearer. Did you try the seperate battery pack for the rx?
Bob
HI Bob well whoever built it can you please tell them very well done from me an yes i cant understand why this no'3 motor is getting very hot either as thats why im gonna try changeing the angle of the motor in new mounts an no ive not treid a seperate batt pack yet on the R/X im savin that if all eles fails but will see how it goes an im gonna stick at it tell i get it right ATB chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 23, 2021, 03:35:05 pm
Sorry to hear your still having issues, it’s strange that motor 3 is alway the motor that’s giving issue. Keep with it , your get there. As Rob said sorry I’m not closer to help.
YEA Dave that the probs is distance isnt it an yes i cant understand why that new motor is gettin hot either while the other three are hardly warm after running a while as ive never had this problem on all my builds but ive never had this BECC system before either but i dont think its that is the problem or all the motors would get hot crazy aint it but will stick at it untill i solve it will try fitting a cooling fan derectly onto the motor an see if that helps ATB CHRIS
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on July 23, 2021, 03:54:46 pm
Chris, what happens if you relocate the number 3 hot motor to one of the other motor location. Does the number 3 motor in the new location get or is the motor in to the number 3 location getting hot ???? [size=78%] [/size]
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 23, 2021, 04:05:08 pm
Chris, what happens if you relocate the number 3 hot motor to one of the other motor location. Does the number 3 motor in the new location get or is the motor in to the number 3 location getting hot ????
HI AGAIN Dave i'll just get me motor mounts fitted back in an then i'll give it a try out as i could take out no'4 motor an stick no'3 in its place an then try an if ok then i'll put no'4 in no3 place an see if it gets hot VERY GOOD IDEA DAVE 'll try it as ive moved this all in an out an around 5 time now an im gettin a bit frustrated i think now it i cant see the wood for the trees angle if you see what i mean but thank you will try that ATB Chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on July 23, 2021, 04:11:47 pm
Chris,
I know what you mean, just take your time and make one change at a time, this will help you to see the trees not the forest. Best of luck :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 23, 2021, 04:22:28 pm
I know what you mean, just take your time and make one change at a time, this will help you to see the trees not the forest. Best of luck :-))
OK Dave cheers for the idea an i think i'll need the luck as if i can just get this sorted then i can carry on with the build cheers chris :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: RST on July 23, 2021, 08:17:58 pm
Not sure if it's already been suggested but when I secure a brushed motor, I tend to run the motor from a single AA dry Duracell battery and find the "sweet spot". There's not enough guts in a single dry AA to turn the motor if there are any problems with alignment or the shaft. It's a knack, but pretty old skool tried and tested method over the decades. Personally I wouldn't fit a fan on that motor, it's only like hiding it under a little bit of carpet and crossing fingers.
You can always take each motor out and check the resistance across the terminals with a multimeter at different shaft positions, same for running them on the bench or in situ with a multimeter or power meter to check the current but in my experi nce a bad motor feels different to turn or sounds gnarly when held on the bench anyway. All that is quite common checks also.
Rich
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 23, 2021, 08:55:21 pm
OK Rich thanks for your reply but im not very good at eletrics in fact im lousey so when my freind comes over i'll ask him to try it what you suggest as he understands eletrics far more than me but cheers for your blog chris :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 26, 2021, 07:54:08 am
HI ALL well i think im over my probs on my tiger build thanks to the guys an especially Bob (rob 47) so hopefully i can now wire it all in an get on with the build :-)) chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on July 26, 2021, 08:48:26 am
Well let’s hope it all goes well and you can move on with your build :-)) it’s also nice to hear that MBM members able to help each other.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 26, 2021, 08:28:17 pm
Well let’s hope it all goes well and you can move on with your build :-)) it’s also nice to hear that MBM members able to help each other.
HI Dave well its all fitted back in an wired up properly bar the r/x which i will fit in the bow section an treid it today an it all 4 motors run great an no cutting out now an yes now i can move on with the build but its all thanks to all the guys helping me an yes this is a great forum to be on chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: RST on July 26, 2021, 09:59:53 pm
HI ALL well i think im over my probs on my tiger build thanks to the guys an especially Bob (rob 47) so hopefully i can now wire it all in an get on with the build :-)) chris
Hi Chris,
Did my original suggestion of trying without BEC and fitting a separate RX supply work for the ESC glitches after all? Curious as to what was the fix on the problem for the individual motor overheating though?
Glad it's sorted anyway,
Rich
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 26, 2021, 10:15:07 pm
Did my original suggestion of trying without BEC and fitting a separate RX supply work for the ESC glitches after all? Curious as to what was the fix on the problem for the individual motor overheating though?
Glad it's sorted anyway,
Rich
HI Rich i cant remember who said what now if you did many thanks but Bob rob47 told me also as he has a R/C just like mine an he told me that i could do away with the becc an use the batt postion on the R/X with a 6v batt pack an take out the two red wires an worked ok as he said that he had treid it on his r/c an no probs an i fitted in a new motor but swopped no'4 to no3 postion an new motor in 4 postion an i ran all 4 motors at about half throttle for 15 mins an reverse an no cutting out at all SO MANY THANKS TO YOU ALL WHO HELPED now i can get on with the rest of the build hooray chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 27, 2021, 07:37:35 pm
HI ALL well im now starting back on the build after being stalled due to eletric problems but thanks to you guys im back an here in this link pic is the new eletric layout an its neater an ive removed the relay an them plastic plugs that gave me trouble on my nimitz build an fitted in a new motor :-)) https://ibb.co/xMSkT9R
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 27, 2021, 07:44:53 pm
here quater deck is just laid in for now till ive got the rudder push rods fitted an the push rods also fitted to work the 4 stabillizers https://ibb.co/JmzYDjW
Nice to see your back and Tigers build moving on :-)) :-))
MANY THANKS Dave an its good to be back as i was near out of mojo on that eletric problem but when ive done this rudder fittment im stoppin the build to cocentrate on spraying all the superstruckure while its warm wheather chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 02, 2021, 07:43:38 am
HI ALL well thank goodness im over that motors probs thanks to you guys cheers :-)) an im now actually started painting her an here in this linkpic ive just painted the hangar bay deck an an walkways this will do for now as i will open it up again to fit in the detail https://ibb.co/MpfpHB1
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 02, 2021, 07:47:25 am
an next ive fitted in the main S/S two small fans to help the tiny steam unit fan to build up air pressure to blow steam out of the big funnel may fit a steam unit in the back funnel but will see on space an ship funds lol https://ibb.co/fr9vwyb
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 02, 2021, 07:54:40 am
an in this pic ive now started to mask them up in prep to to sprayin the S/S grey primer first then humbroll matt light grey no. 64 https://ibb.co/xLdqxWh
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 02, 2021, 07:59:46 am
AN Here are just some of the main parts that are now all masked up an ready to be sprayed painted an there is more to come as i just dint realise how many parts ive scratch built up to now https://ibb.co/4SwmR6T
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 02, 2021, 08:12:57 am
AN Here ive fitted in the bow thrusters motor an blue ESC an a white voltage reducer from 12v down to 6v as the bowthruster motor is only 7.2 v so this way wont blow it up an a inline 3 amp fuse to protect it all hopefully an it all works ok phew :-)) chris https://ibb.co/tLPRVCL
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 04, 2021, 08:06:12 am
MANY THANKS Martin for bringin up the pics :-)) chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on August 09, 2021, 09:15:34 pm
Chris, I know this may be to late but thought you may like it [size=78%]https://www.navalanalyses.com/2016/08/warships-of-past-tiger-class-cruisers.html (https://www.navalanalyses.com/2016/08/warships-of-past-tiger-class-cruisers.html)[/size]
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 09, 2021, 10:33:55 pm
Chris, I know this may be to late but thought you may like it [size=78%]https://www.navalanalyses.com/2016/08/warships-of-past-tiger-class-cruisers.html (https://www.navalanalyses.com/2016/08/warships-of-past-tiger-class-cruisers.html)[/size]
OH Cheers Dave anything on tiger is a help an its not to late as she is still bein built but today ive been painting all the s/s an the green decks so ive been busy today an she starting to lookin something now with a bit of colour on her cheers for lookin in on the build hope you arm aint to bad as im lookin forward to seein u sailing your burke ATB chris an jen
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: ballastanksian on August 09, 2021, 10:54:23 pm
Wowsers you have made huge strides on this build! I read of your issues with tight props and motors with interest as I bought a cruiser model with the motors and shafts installed, but one of the shafts seems to self tighten it's universal joint or loosen it depending on which way it revolves and wondered if the shaft was out of alignment or some other problem.
Keep up the good work and I am looking forward to loads of painting!
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Post by: frogman3 on August 10, 2021, 08:07:04 am
Wowsers you have made huge strides on this build! I read of your issues with tight props and motors with interest as I bought a cruiser model with the motors and shafts installed, but one of the shafts seems to self tighten it's universal joint or loosen it depending on which way it revolves and wondered if the shaft was out of alignment or some other problem.
Keep up the good work and I am looking forward to loads of painting!
HI ballastanksian (https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=14161) yes its a job on these shafts an motors but i hope my probs are now sorted an yes im now enjoyin the painting an im about half way as its so big an the green deck is a bit stripey but it think i'll leave it like that as it will look like wheathering an anyway after a few wks the paint colours settle to a uniformatey when it gets a little dusty on the decks as im not gonna do a repaint on these as im near shattered as this is the hardstest build ive ever done an i want to finish it thanks for takin an intrest in the build ATB chris :-)) [size=0.85em][/size][/size]
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Post by: Rob47 on August 10, 2021, 10:03:27 pm
Chris, I know this may be to late but thought you may like it [size=78%]https://www.navalanalyses.com/2016/08/warships-of-past-tiger-class-cruisers.html (https://www.navalanalyses.com/2016/08/warships-of-past-tiger-class-cruisers.html)[/size]
Nice to see one of my images used on that site,think copyright gone out the window. >:-o
Plans all printed up nicely now Dave, thanks again
Bob
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Post by: frogman3 on August 11, 2021, 09:42:43 am
HI Peeps well ive now started on with painting the S/S ive done the matt light grey an now the deck green an its a bit stripey but well i think it will settle down to uniform later when its a 100% dry an hope this will look like wheathering as i did it with a hairy stick https://ibb.co/0JLSHsY
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Post by: frogman3 on August 11, 2021, 10:00:12 am
rear shot of main S/S an the bridges have yet to be finished building as i have forggten to fit the window wiper boxs so they will be painted later date an ive got to fit in the bridges lights an glazein an next up will be fitting all the ladders an steps on this an then i will be doin the funnels fitting all their ladders an such chris https://ibb.co/DztYdND
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Post by: ballastanksian on August 11, 2021, 03:48:14 pm
Now she's coming together! Re the streaky paint, I over painted areas on my Little Monitor decks to look like maintenance had been done to accentuate the hand painted differences. It doesn't show as much I had hoped, but like you say, it all normalises.
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Post by: frogman3 on August 11, 2021, 06:29:28 pm
Now she's coming together! Re the streaky paint, I over painted areas on my Little Monitor decks to look like maintenance had been done to accentuate the hand painted differences. It doesn't show as much I had hoped, but like you say, it all normalises.
HI YEA i hope so as i hate streaky paint work but these bit of s/s are fairly big an the paint gives me a head acke even with a mask an goggles on so i dont want to have do any more of this painting as ive yet to do the big front deck an the big rear flight deck in grey so more head ackes comin an thats with the windows open as well thanks for lookin in on the build :-)) chris
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Post by: T888 on August 12, 2021, 05:54:08 am
Chris, Tigers coming along nice enjoying your build :-))
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Post by: frogman3 on August 12, 2021, 07:45:00 am
Chris, Tigers coming along nice enjoying your build :-))
cheers Dave im glad you are an yes so am i now ive gotten over that eletronics problem :-)) chris
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Post by: frogman3 on August 16, 2021, 07:47:53 pm
HI ALL well ive now started to fit on the main S/S some detail an thats the steps ladders an how steep they were i think you have to be fairly fit to go running up an down them any way 1st shot of them fitted to the main S/S https://ibb.co/rMC7mrh
(https://i.ibb.co/gw5j3K8/IMG-6438.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on August 16, 2021, 07:51:41 pm
next the top S/S with the steps fitted but they lift of with that section https://ibb.co/KhM4XdB
(https://i.ibb.co/B3XWtbv/IMG-6437.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on August 16, 2021, 07:53:15 pm
an here all togeather https://ibb.co/YbkLWNN
(https://i.ibb.co/fQpxSXX/IMG-6436.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on August 16, 2021, 07:55:37 pm
next up ive finished both the funnelles front funnell https://ibb.co/HHhYDtV
(https://i.ibb.co/9rZ29bN/IMG-6439.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on August 16, 2021, 07:56:24 pm
https://ibb.co/cFsXBMJ
(https://i.ibb.co/58Jx0tT/IMG-6440.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on August 16, 2021, 07:59:09 pm
an rear funnel an this has got anti collishion lights on https://ibb.co/Rh6d3mJ
(https://i.ibb.co/q0gVNf2/IMG-6442.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on August 16, 2021, 08:01:05 pm
https://ibb.co/jgjxd0t an thats as far as ive got an its all been very fiddley :-)) chris
(https://i.ibb.co/RzJM1r8/IMG-6443.jpg)
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Post by: ballastanksian on August 18, 2021, 04:29:34 pm
Excellent progress! Funnels are a project in their own right.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 18, 2021, 04:47:12 pm
Excellent progress! Funnels are a project in their own right.
thank you [size=78%]ballastanksian yes there was quite a bit of work gion into these funnels but got them all now done an im now painting the decks an when they are all done then i can start putting things back togeather as this has an still is a very long build but im enjoyin it an thanks for lookin in [/size] [/size][size=78%]chris[/size] :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 21, 2021, 09:18:27 pm
HI ALL here are a few link pics of some of the ship just put together an shown her colour https://ibb.co/VH2FfLm
(https://i.ibb.co/1s8CF06/IMG-6445.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on August 21, 2021, 09:21:37 pm
looking somthing now https://ibb.co/9ZkqKy1
(https://i.ibb.co/6X749DT/IMG-6446.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on August 21, 2021, 09:22:36 pm
https://ibb.co/mcZgp9C
(https://i.ibb.co/G5YNmWv/IMG-6448.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on August 21, 2021, 09:23:44 pm
https://ibb.co/bFVhCXX
(https://i.ibb.co/T1GX7tt/IMG-6450.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on August 21, 2021, 09:26:10 pm
https://ibb.co/BcvjF6Z
(https://i.ibb.co/S5H0Gmn/IMG-6451.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on August 21, 2021, 09:27:11 pm
https://ibb.co/QX9QrPS
(https://i.ibb.co/mSJT69Z/IMG-6452.jpg)
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Post by: T888 on August 21, 2021, 09:27:45 pm
She coming together Chris :-)) :-))
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Post by: frogman3 on August 21, 2021, 09:33:39 pm
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 26, 2021, 12:37:51 pm
An ive just fitted on the bottom bridge to see if it will fit as a coat of paint makes all the difference as these bridges are a very tight fit https://ibb.co/9HHxV0C (https://i.postimg.cc/MvsCk1b3/IMG-6462.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/MvsCk1b3)
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Post by: frogman3 on August 26, 2021, 12:39:33 pm
An both bridges fitted ok an she should look good with her gun turrets on when i make them https://ibb.co/zr0vX4x
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Post by: frogman3 on August 27, 2021, 07:23:56 am
Many thanks Bob for the great pics they will help me no end :-)) you are a very nice gentleman cheers ps cant say i'll get it all on or completetly right but i'll do the best i can :-)) ATB chris
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Post by: frogman3 on September 13, 2021, 07:09:12 am
HI ALL well only small stuff bein worked on at the moment as im trying to get the bridges painted but first i had to fit in the bridges lights white 2mm leds https://ibb.co/fXzwsDj (https://i.postimg.cc/JGnXxBr5/IMG-6489.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JGnXxBr5)
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Post by: frogman3 on September 13, 2021, 07:11:37 am
an here all marsked up to be spray painted in grey primer then matt humbroll light grey no 64 https://ibb.co/8Y9t1mH (https://i.postimg.cc/JDxycRSF/IMG-6490.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JDxycRSF)
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Post by: frogman3 on September 13, 2021, 07:15:03 am
an done an now for the really hard part of fittin in the glazein in the windows as i dont want to get any glue smears on the glass >>:-( <*< <:( if i do https://ibb.co/ZMZX4Lh (https://i.postimg.cc/jC8wDdHw/IMG-6492.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jC8wDdHw)
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Post by: T888 on September 13, 2021, 07:16:21 am
They look good Chris :-))
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Post by: frogman3 on September 13, 2021, 07:20:57 am
AN Dave made me up some consoles to fit in the bridges an here is my rough attempt at doin it as i dont think they will be seen much but if they are seen more then i will make a better job of them an here is the console an ive hollowed them all out https://ibb.co/cCxTsLz (https://ibb.co/cCxTsLz) (https://i.postimg.cc/gwDc1N4X/IMG-6485.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gwDc1N4X)
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Post by: frogman3 on September 13, 2021, 07:22:16 am
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 13, 2021, 07:24:33 am
AN IVE fitted some coloured 2mm leds stay on an flasing leds in the consoles https://ibb.co/r6Shwvt (https://i.postimg.cc/Jtt7d3X0/IMG-6486.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Jtt7d3X0)
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Post by: frogman3 on September 13, 2021, 07:25:23 am
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 13, 2021, 07:28:31 am
an im tryin to fit all three consoles Dave T888 made me an so far in done two an as ive said if seen easy then i will make a better job of them https://ibb.co/tLqmxkJ (https://i.postimg.cc/WtQVWBjY/IMG-6491.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/WtQVWBjY)
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Post by: T888 on September 13, 2021, 08:10:34 am
Chris,
Coming along :-)) if you need any more consoles I have several more as I made a batch for the OHP. They have come out better Due to I’m using a different resin that help with fine detailing. So if you do just PM me and I’ll post them. :-))
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Post by: frogman3 on September 14, 2021, 12:32:36 pm
Coming along :-)) if you need any more consoles I have several more as I made a batch for the OHP. They have come out better Due to I’m using a different resin that help with fine detailing. So if you do just PM me and I’ll post them. :-))
HI Dave cheers an i have done an many thanks for them ATB Chris
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Post by: T888 on September 14, 2021, 05:00:35 pm
Chris, Will put them in the post tomorrow.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 14, 2021, 05:26:33 pm
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 17, 2021, 06:39:47 pm
HI WELL ive managed to fit in my bridges glass an i was near a nervous wreck after doin it as just a little C/A glue on the glass an it would be a distarter but thankfully its done an i fitted in a light green glass for glazing https://ibb.co/MZsWHML
(https://i.ibb.co/5G6t3BV/IMG-6493.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on September 17, 2021, 06:41:34 pm
https://ibb.co/B4g7Cqs
(https://i.ibb.co/gvDXRzg/IMG-6495.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on September 17, 2021, 06:42:07 pm
https://ibb.co/qR3hHLF
(https://i.ibb.co/fCzZ3VG/IMG-6496.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on September 17, 2021, 06:43:14 pm
an all bridges lights goin ok https://ibb.co/7zV6Phd
(https://i.ibb.co/BPjSbk5/IMG-6497.jpg)
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Post by: T888 on September 17, 2021, 06:51:20 pm
Nice work Chris, can see why you were worried about the glue.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 17, 2021, 07:15:10 pm
Nice work Chris, can see why you were worried about the glue.
HI Dave thanks an yes it was a job trying to fit in the glazeing as just one glue smear an it would have been disarter as the bridge is in my opinion the first thing people look at when the model is on show or at shows an i dint want to heve to rework these bridges an im fairly pleased at how they turn out an just a few tiny cracks to fill up an repaint as they show up terrible in the pics an the both bridges will be able to be lifted off the main S/S an parted to fit in crew figures so a job well done i think now got to make a fit the window wipers chris :-))
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Post by: Dreadnought on September 19, 2021, 10:54:31 am
Looks Good! :-)) :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on September 20, 2021, 07:25:13 pm
I use aircraft canopy glue, dries clear and not as dodgy as suerglue
Bob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 20, 2021, 07:41:08 pm
I use aircraft canopy glue, dries clear and not as dodgy as suerglue
Bob
AGAIN Cheers for that info Bob an i think ive asked you this before but could you find me a pic of that red an white badge she had on her front funnell if possible Bob :-))
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Post by: ballastanksian on September 24, 2021, 12:14:09 pm
She's looking super fair :-)) :-))
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Post by: frogman3 on September 25, 2021, 09:39:17 am
THANKS [size=78%]ballastanksian YES IM NOW GETTING TO THE COMPLEX STAGE OF THE BUILD THE ELETRICS SOON [/size] [/size][size=78%]chris[/size] :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 25, 2021, 03:32:37 pm
HI ALL well ive managed to fit the consoles to the bridges an this was a very tricky job as i dint want to break the hair thin wires on the leds https://ibb.co/bzwxfGH
(https://i.ibb.co/r48gWXb/IMG-6655.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on September 25, 2021, 03:35:13 pm
AN LEDS lit up dint fit many as i dont want to go into overkill an just as well ive made these bridges come apart so i can fit in the crew members https://ibb.co/9YDXq6C
(https://i.ibb.co/kc7nhjW/IMG-6638.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on September 25, 2021, 03:35:49 pm
https://ibb.co/WyVdKyp
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Post by: frogman3 on September 25, 2021, 03:42:32 pm
AN Here im making up the window wipers out of half a mm brass rod an the little devils kept breaking but i made about 30 odd in the end to fit in https://ibb.co/Hqq3xVT
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Post by: frogman3 on September 25, 2021, 03:45:56 pm
AN HERE they are all fitted in an i was nr a nevous wreck after doin this but its all done an its now beggining to look like tiger
https://ibb.co/prmcxW7
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Post by: frogman3 on September 25, 2021, 03:48:35 pm
https://ibb.co/zn66Jjx
(https://i.ibb.co/PmDDQ3j/IMG-6663.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on September 25, 2021, 03:49:05 pm
https://ibb.co/GcsrwXp
(https://i.ibb.co/YpDV96Q/IMG-6664.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on September 25, 2021, 03:51:33 pm
overall shot of the bow section an she's lookin more like the real tiger now https://ibb.co/Z2VDv6r (https://ibb.co/Z2VDv6r) :-)) chris
(https://i.ibb.co/8Y0ZGDw/IMG-6662.jpg)
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Post by: T888 on September 25, 2021, 04:39:14 pm
Wipes came out ok then Chris :-))
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Post by: frogman3 on September 26, 2021, 06:06:05 pm
Hello Dave yes they did in the end thought i was goin to have to ask for your assisstant but i stuck at them wipers as the little devils kept breakeing >>:-( <*< [size=78%]as must[/size][/size][size=78%] have made about 50 or more but got them done in the end [/size] :-)) %) :} ATB chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 19, 2021, 10:52:55 am
HI ALL well im still building tiger but its been a struggle >>:-( <*< as had a disaster when i was fitting the radar scanners on the fore mast as i accidently caught my hand on the mast an broke off one of the eletric pickup pins on the plug >>:-( <*< an i could not beleive it as now the mast lights wont work unless i repair it but to repair it would involve takin the whole mast apart something i dint want to do an boy was i angry at myself as i got to complaclacent an not carefull enough but my wife jen came up an bought me some biccies an a cuppa to calm me down a she said well its broke so we will have to repair it so its just as well i made it to all unscrew an come apart or it would have been a lot of work wasted anway first linkpic the broken plug as there should be 4 pins on the plug not 3 an the one what was broke was the main live + for the red A/C 2mm led's https://ibb.co/hDpGJFW
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Post by: frogman3 on October 19, 2021, 11:08:37 am
next pic looks a bit messy >>:-( <*< as is here where i was useing a soldering iron to melt the shrink rap so i could get to unsolder all 4 wires on the old plug an fit a new plug which i did with my wife jens help as she was holding the mast while i did the soldering an boy was it a heck of a job to do what with takin the mast apart an tryin to fit new plug as its got to meet up with the plug in the main S/S it took 9 hrs from 10am till 7pm to fix it all an you may say well what the heck was we doin an the answer is the mast is very fragile an i could not get the allen screws out very easy as they had paint in them so had to dig out the paint in a 2mm allen screw in 8 gears an shafts which is inside the mast frame work to get in the allen key but it all worked out ok in the end but i would not want to go through that again as we was both shattered by 7 pm an loads of cuppas to keep calm https://ibb.co/5LkHPxW
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Post by: frogman3 on October 19, 2021, 11:14:13 am
an here is the white steamin or running lights here an yes they are very bright as i want them to show up in day light on the pond so i know which is my ship if there is serveral ships sailing https://ibb.co/Px1fhpB
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Post by: frogman3 on October 19, 2021, 11:17:03 am
AN a linkpic of the 2mm red A/C lights on the mast which what would not have worked if i hadnt fixed that eletric plug
https://ibb.co/LPKxWWS
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 19, 2021, 11:19:35 am
an ive now fitted the nav lights on an again very bright so they can be seen in daylight https://ibb.co/2jTb5G6
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Post by: frogman3 on October 19, 2021, 11:23:09 am
AN lastly a couple of shots of the bridge lights an ive still to unsrew the bridges later in the build so i can fit in the crew members standing in the bridges https://ibb.co/Jrs20QL
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 19, 2021, 11:24:29 am
https://ibb.co/0fXCJvm :-)) ATB to you all chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on October 19, 2021, 11:47:24 am
Sorry to see the damage hope you can get it all back working soon. All the best :-))
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Post by: frogman3 on October 19, 2021, 12:19:24 pm
Sorry to see the damage hope you can get it all back working soon. All the best :-))
HI Dave all damage is fixed an everything is all fixed an working in the pics that show it all so no problems now :-)) chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 26, 2021, 10:21:23 am
HI GUYS its me again with some more proggress shots of whats happening on my tiger an now im up to the eletrical stage an ive fitted in the hull jiont the 44 pins plug to carry the accessoriyes wires to work all the lights an all 4 radars an such the plug below https://ibb.co/gPmcv6G
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Post by: frogman3 on October 26, 2021, 10:23:42 am
An a hull jiont shot of the plugs all fitting nicely togeather an im pleased at the fit https://ibb.co/25cHDVT
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 26, 2021, 10:28:22 am
an just laid out the asseroryies wires on the front section as these will all have to be cut to size an routed in neatly when ive done an eltrical test of the wires from one end to the other with a circut tester firstly https://ibb.co/f87WsHC
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 26, 2021, 10:30:02 am
an the stern section of the hull wires https://ibb.co/PGY02GY
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 26, 2021, 10:32:56 am
an i was pleased at how easy it was to get the two hull sections togeather an then fastened together with butterfly nuts to hold it togeather https://ibb.co/7vgBrK8
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 26, 2021, 10:38:02 am
WELL now the hull was togeather for a long time since last time i could not resist fitting on all the S/S to see what ive got after near 3yrs build time so some link pics :-)) https://ibb.co/rsHs9VZ
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 26, 2021, 10:39:03 am
https://ibb.co/NCBRqGs
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 26, 2021, 10:39:43 am
https://ibb.co/L5bYgrC
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 26, 2021, 10:41:43 am
https://ibb.co/MCwDdnZ
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 26, 2021, 10:43:22 am
https://ibb.co/xH6yGcW (https://ibb.co/xH6yGcW)
AN IVE still to build an fit on the guns turrets chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 26, 2021, 10:43:58 am
https://ibb.co/McvVn1G
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Backerther on October 26, 2021, 01:04:42 pm
Hi frogman3;
I have been so much surprised to see your scratchbuilt HMS Tiger 1/72.!! Looks awesome in every part of the model.!!!! %% O0 :-)) When are you supposed to finish her to get it on the water.!? I am following your posts to come!!
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 26, 2021, 01:32:44 pm
I have been so much surprised to see your scratchbuilt HMS Tiger 1/72.!! Looks awesome in every part of the model.!!!! %% O0 :-)) When are you supposed to finish her to get it on the water.!? I am following your posts to come!!
HI Backearther its nice to see you found my tiger build then an yes im pleased with how its coming on as i have been building this ship for near 3yrs now started the build in late 2018 an im only now starting to do the eletrics an i also have to build the gun turrets so it will be about another 2 years before she will sail on the water as my NIMITZ build was 7 years as they take a long time when things are goin to work in them an thank you for your nice comments an yes i hope you do follow the build like i am going to follow your build BEST WISHES to you sir :-)) ps im on this site nearly every day so if you want to talk about the models i will be be on some time in the day chris chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: ballastanksian on October 28, 2021, 10:29:04 pm
She gets prettier and prettier! When the turrets g on she will look superb. Very neat and kudos to you and Mrs for the epic wiring marathon!
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 29, 2021, 09:15:30 am
She gets prettier and prettier! When the turrets g on she will look superb. Very neat and kudos to you and Mrs for the epic wiring marathon!
HI [size=78%]ballastanksian YES she's begining to look good an pretty lol but i think she looks a hansom ship as thats part of the reason i built her.An yes jen an i ( as she likes to help me if she can ) are now doin the wirein harness for her workings like lights an servos an heicopter an hangar bay an such an ive now fitted in the hull jionts the 44 pin eletric plugs to take the eletric from the bow section to the stern section linkpic below of the stern one [/size] https://ibb.co/gPmcv6G (https://ibb.co/gPmcv6G)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 29, 2021, 09:24:08 am
an the hull jionts 44 pins plugs meet up nice when ive jioned the hull togeather https://ibb.co/25cHDVT
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 29, 2021, 09:28:27 am
an here the wirein harness is just laid out on the hull to make sure its long enough to go the lenght of the ship bow section an while it was altogeather i did an eletric test with a circut tester to make sure all pins in the plugs will carry eletric an they did as some times there can be a dodgy one https://ibb.co/f87WsHC
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 29, 2021, 09:57:17 am
AN here stern shot of the wierin harness an yes the wires are here in the rainbow colours as i should done the front ones as well but the wires were late in cominin the post so i used the grey wires but no worryies on that as they all carry eletricity an these will all have to be soldered onto the tiny eletric plugs so 88 wires to do (phew) https://ibb.co/PGY02GY (https://ibb.co/PGY02GY) chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Backerther on November 01, 2021, 11:37:58 am
Hey,Chris. Are you a some kind of electric engineer as to make such a complicated wiring work in the loooong hull.?? I suppose,without this kind of electrical knowledge,it might be so difficult even to figure out the electrical design.. O0 :-) I do not know any words to express my amazing impression on the system. !! Super Dreadnought class !! :-)) :o
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 01, 2021, 02:58:54 pm
Hey,Chris. Are you a some kind of electric engineer as to make such a complicated wiring work in the loooong hull.?? I suppose,without this kind of electrical knowledge,it might be so difficult even to figure out the electrical design.. O0 :-) I do not know any words to express my amazing impression on the system. !! Super Dreadnought class !! :-)) :o
HI [/size]Kiyoshi no im not an eletrical person an im not very good on eletric thing but how can i exsplain this it really just comes out of my mind an fingers an it all works sort of like magic really perhaps thats what ive been gifted at in my life i dont know but ive wired up all my big ships an just learned as i go along an all the wires are circuts an jump circuts but i must be carefull now as im at the complex stage of wireing things up so i must think an plan ahead to make sure i dont make any mistakes but i will post some pics soon when i get all the wireing all soldered onto the mini plugs an im lookng forward to seeing your build come on as i love to study your pics [/font]BEST WISHES to you Sir [/font]chris [/font]
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 03, 2021, 06:42:34 pm
HI ALL well on the last pics i was just getting the accessories wireing harness ready to put in the ship an its now been put in the hull an ive been on a soldering marthon of soldering 44 wires to plug sockets in the bow section an again another 44 wires in the stern section so 88 wires soldered all told but my wife jen an i tested them with a 12v current goin through each wire an me with a circut tester to see if the wires carry power ok an well out of 44 wires only one was a problem so thats about 98% succsess so im happy with that but if any more of them rainbow ribbin wires fail as the grey ones are all ok then i will replace the rainbow wires an here in this link pic is the 44 wires goin down into the hull bottom to pass under the battery bay an steam unit an then they split up in to 24 wires on the starb side an 20 wires on the port an here is the bow section from the hull jiont plug https://ibb.co/ZLmdP1P
chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 03, 2021, 06:45:24 pm
an here is the stern section wires comin from the rear hull jiont plug an the wires again bein split up to go each sides https://ibb.co/ZBYq9Df
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 03, 2021, 06:50:48 pm
an here is the tiny mini plug sockets that all the wires on both sides will be soldered to an boy was i shattered took me 3 days of soldering to get them all done so 11 plugs in the bow section an the same in the stern section an in this pic im soldering the wires on an 3 wires done so far https://ibb.co/YyZkcJ3
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 03, 2021, 06:52:07 pm
bow section plugs sockets https://ibb.co/9HXV1gd
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 03, 2021, 06:53:57 pm
an stern section plugs sockets https://ibb.co/cgXDRjf
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 03, 2021, 06:57:13 pm
in this pic its shows the wires goin down to the sockets an it looks a bit of a mix up of wires at the moment but thats because all the wires havnt been sorted to the points of where they will be goin but that will come soon https://ibb.co/7rsX8L6
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 03, 2021, 06:59:29 pm
so what next well i wil have to build two of these in the pic but i will exsplain what they do in the next instalment chris :-)) https://ibb.co/2NLgkNV
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 03, 2021, 07:11:58 pm
an somehow i missed posting a shot of the tiny plug sockets but here some are https://ibb.co/3m8wNk8
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 17, 2021, 07:49:43 am
HI ALL WELL ive been ill for a wk or so but im now back an made a start on fitting some eletronics in the hull as i need to see whats gonna go where an ive got to make up a glass cover to fit over the eletrics so no dampness from the steam unit will get into them https://ibb.co/jMcQGcy
will post more when i get that far chris :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on November 17, 2021, 08:08:17 am
Good to hear your OK Chris :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 17, 2021, 08:18:25 am
THANKS Dave as its been a wk of hell >>:-( [size=78%] but i think ive got the better of this bug [/size] <*< [size=78%]an i now feel like working on tiger as i cant wait to get back to this build as im at my fav stage of fitting in the eletronics an my head is bursting with ideas so onward an upwards hope you are well also Dave [/size] ATB chris :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Backerther on November 17, 2021, 11:31:45 am
Hi Chris;
Anyhow I have felt relieved to read your post.!! O0 But please don't be careless to the bug until you fully recover from the sickness for your Tiger and a good wife as well.!!! :-))
Kiyo
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 17, 2021, 12:43:05 pm
Anyhow I have felt relieved to read your post.!! O0 But please don't be careless to the bug until you fully recover from the sickness for your Tiger and a good wife as well.!!! :-))
Kiyo
HI Kiyo nice to hear from you an thank you for your concern over my health an no im not hurrying back to the tiger build yet as today im just resting an having just dry toast to eat so that bug wont have nothing to work on in me an we hope you are well also Sir an my wife jen says helo to you an your family an hope you are havin fun doin your modeling which i have dearly missed all last week an i hope to make a proper start back on tiger on friday as got to go to hospital tomorrow to have my eyes exsaminded as i have a tiny catarak on my left eye so maybe an eye op soon for me as im getting old as near 70 yrs old an yes i feel it lol best wishes to you Sir chris an jen
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Backerther on November 17, 2021, 02:03:29 pm
Hi Chris; Oh,you Too?cataract...? I already had a surgery of cataract for both eyes just a year ago and the eyes have been working very well since then reaching a vision of 1.2 with eye glasses.The operation time for each eye was around 5 minutes or so net. No scary nor pain.! My wife is supposed to have the surgery next March,who is nearly the same age as you. I also have to go to my doctor tomorrow to receive regular checking of the present conditions. I will go to bed now,good night sir!
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 17, 2021, 03:44:41 pm
Hi Chris; Oh,you Too?cataract...? I already had a surgery of cataract for both eyes just a year ago and the eyes have been working very well since then reaching a vision of 1.2 with eye glasses.The operation time for each eye was around 5 minutes or so net. No scary nor pain.! My wife is supposed to have the surgery next March,who is nearly the same age as you. I also have to go to my doctor tomorrow to receive regular checking of the present conditions. I will go to bed now,good night sir!
GOOD NIGHT Kyio i have a chat to you on friday as im goin to be busy tomorrow chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 18, 2021, 07:35:22 pm
Hi Chris; Oh,you Too?cataract...? I already had a surgery of cataract for both eyes just a year ago and the eyes have been working very well since then reaching a vision of 1.2 with eye glasses.The operation time for each eye was around 5 minutes or so net. No scary nor pain.! My wife is supposed to have the surgery next March,who is nearly the same age as you. I also have to go to my doctor tomorrow to receive regular checking of the present conditions. I will go to bed now,good night sir!
HI AGAIN Kiyoshi well on your eye op did they fit in new lens ? as thats what i have to have done when i have my eyes op maybe in a year or so as just been to hosital today [/size]CHRIS
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Backerther on November 19, 2021, 06:00:35 am
Hi Chris;
Yes,my both eyes have been replaced with artificial lenses by which I don't need eye glasses normally in a daily life except on a driving a car at night in a rain at strange places.I addition,cost to bear directly at my side was so inexpensive beyond my previous expectation due to health insurance. :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 19, 2021, 04:15:10 pm
Yes,my both eyes have been replaced with artificial lenses by which I don't need eye glasses normally in a daily life except on a driving a car at night in a rain at strange places.I addition,cost to bear directly at my side was so inexpensive beyond my previous expectation due to health insurance. :-))
HI [/size]Kiyoshi GLAD YOU HAVE HAD YOU EYES DONE WITH LENS LIKE IVE GOT TO HAVE WAS IT PAINFULL TO HAVE DONE AN WAS IT PAINFULL DAY AFTER YOU HAD YOUR OP ? AS IM NOT THE BRAVEST PERSON [/font]CHRIS [/font]
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Dave_S. on November 19, 2021, 08:23:24 pm
I had my right eye done two weeks ago - no pain, no bother, took about 20 minutes (after a 4 hour wait). I could see much better instantly, the vision improved over the next couple of days and is as good as my other eye now. The day after the operation I was able to drive.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: ballastanksian on November 19, 2021, 10:45:47 pm
Medicine today is so advanced! To think that they could do them a couple hundred years ago, but without pain relief or dissolving sutures, so you had to lie still for a fortnight while they healed and avoided sneezing or coughing so the eyes didn't burst %%
So Chris, I reckon you really work for NASA given the sheer amount of wiring you have been doing of late. The Shuttle likely had a smaller loom :} Great and tidy work matey.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Backerther on November 20, 2021, 03:12:47 am
Hi Chris;
Don't worry so much !!!! In my case,pure operation time was about 5 or so minutes while and because I was unable to see clearly(very vague) as both eyes had been covered with something like wet paper tissue.Some kind of motions of the doctor's hand could be distinguished to some extent,therefore I understood he was operating my eyes though it's not painful at all due to the effect of anesthesia. A nurse dropped the anesthesia a bit onto my eyes around 30 minutes before operating. A doctor and a nurse were waiting in a very tiny operating room and I sat on a reclining chair,and the operation began shortly. No pain at AAALLL while 5 minutes even after the operation,next day eye guard cover was take off by the doctor followed by simple check. At the same time I could recover VERY CLEAR vision right away surprisingly though a certain restrictions were indicated by the doctor like not to take a bath for some day,not to wash my face,not to drink alcohol,etc by the list. A week or so later,the eye was nearly good conditions on the operated part which was the very center of the eye. According to the doctor,2mm or 3mm of the central part was operated. I suppose and expect you may have been relieved by the above. :-)) O0 {-)
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 20, 2021, 08:46:27 am
Don't worry so much !!!! In my case,pure operation time was about 5 or so minutes while and because I was unable to see clearly(very vague) as both eyes had been covered with something like wet paper tissue.Some kind of motions of the doctor's hand could be distinguished to some extent,therefore I understood he was operating my eyes though it's not painful at all due to the effect of anesthesia. A nurse dropped the anesthesia a bit onto my eyes around 30 minutes before operating. A doctor and a nurse were waiting in a very tiny operating room and I sat on a reclining chair,and the operation began shortly. No pain at AAALLL while 5 minutes even after the operation,next day eye guard cover was take off by the doctor followed by simple check. At the same time I could recover VERY CLEAR vision right away surprisingly though a certain restrictions were indicated by the doctor like not to take a bath for some day,not to wash my face,not to drink alcohol,etc by the list. A week or so later,the eye was nearly good conditions on the operated part which was the very center of the eye. According to the doctor,2mm or 3mm of the central part was operated. I suppose and expect you may have been relieved by the above. :-)) O0 {-)
HI Kyio MANY THANKS FOR YOU reasurrance an its now a great weight off my mind so i can conentrate on my tiger as im now trying to build them cam switches X2 [/size]best wishes to you sir [/size]chris an jen
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 20, 2021, 08:51:25 am
Medicine today is so advanced! To think that they could do them a couple hundred years ago, but without pain relief or dissolving sutures, so you had to lie still for a fortnight while they healed and avoided sneezing or coughing so the eyes didn't burst %%
So Chris, I reckon you really work for NASA given the sheer amount of wiring you have been doing of late. The Shuttle likely had a smaller loom :} Great and tidy work matey.
HI work for NASA dont i wish as yes there are a few wires but more to come yet as i love doin wirein chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 20, 2021, 09:23:32 am
HI ALL well im back on my tiger build an next in the steps as ive now fitted in the front servo an pushrods to work front stabilizers ive now got to build the cam switch which will work up to 5 things on the ship but on tiger i need to make X2 an it the big red cam as at the moment its still in in the pic in my hms norfolk type 23 frigate F230 so i designed it to just unplug an unscrew an lift out of the hull so thats what im now goin to do shot of the red cam switch https://ibb.co/8shC7vx
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 20, 2021, 09:29:45 am
an its all ok an came out perfectly so i can copy it as it was built by me 5 yrs ago an i could not rememeber how i done it so now its out i can study it to copy it X2 for my tiger an here side veiw fitted with a full size servo but im hopun to use two micro servos on the new ones just got to see if they will give enough servo throw lenght https://ibb.co/NYcFvVM
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 20, 2021, 09:32:43 am
AN TOP VEIW an the multi plug can be seen here an now to start the build of it but will have to have jens help as this is a situaion where i need three hands chris https://ibb.co/cLc7Py2
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on November 20, 2021, 11:38:15 am
Medicine today is so advanced! To think that they could do them a couple hundred years ago, but without pain relief or dissolving sutures, so you had to lie still for a fortnight while they healed and avoided sneezing or coughing so the eyes didn't burst %%
I had macular holes repaired and boy do you have to sit still for several weeks, due to the gas injected into the eyes, fully healed and discharged, but then had to fight DVLA to retian my staus as normal driver and not one with a medical condition, in the end my conslultans launched at them and they backed down, so now got my D1 back, amazing the repairs they can do, she allso did cataracts at same time, to save having to come back, liuckily full knoced out for it.
So Chris, I reckon you really work for NASA given the sheer amount of wiring you have been doing of late. The Shuttle likely had a smaller loom :} Great and tidy work matey.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on November 20, 2021, 11:41:42 am
AN TOP VEIW an the multi plug can be seen here an now to start the build of it but will have to have jens help as this is a situaion where i need three hands chris https://ibb.co/cLc7Py2 (https://ibb.co/cLc7Py2)
Chris have you considered a multi switcher electronic unit for those functions, easily worked from you RC set that you have.
Bob
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on November 20, 2021, 12:47:08 pm
Hi Chris, Nice to see you back at modelling.
FYI I use this 8way switching unit on Roosevelt, Antrim and Britannic. Its used to switch lights, radar, helo and other bits.It very easy to setup and you can have each switch other latching or not.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 21, 2021, 10:08:13 am
HI Dave that 8way switcher unit from forge eletronics looks a handy item but to get it to work from R/C do you have to use the main sticks on your R/C ? an can the items that work from it can they be made to work individagabley or all on at on togeather an how much as this is a better idea then my cam switch i think chris :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 21, 2021, 10:22:07 am
Chris have you considered a multi switcher electronic unit for those functions, easily worked from you RC set that you have.
Bob
AN HI Bob yes i have consiidered an multi switcher unit but the one i was looking at you had to work the switcher from the R/C sticks back an fourth an as you switched on one unit it swiched another off an that i dont want as i want everyhing on if i want not just some thats why ive gone for my cam switcher idea as with this idea i can have just a few thing goin or all an i dont have to touch my R/C sticks at all as its done through the knobs on the R/C T/X hope you both as best as can be ATB chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on November 21, 2021, 11:17:52 am
Hi Chris, Yes I use one of the sticks to operate the 8 way unit. But because it latches I can still use that stick for other operations.
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 21, 2021, 12:15:23 pm
Hi Chris, Yes I use one of the sticks to operate the 8 way unit. But because it latches I can still use that stick for other operations.
OH well Dave if you got to use the sticks then not for me i think i'll stick with my cam switch idea an as im makin 2 it will give me 10 things to work from the knobs on my T/X so each to his own but thank you for showing me very good of you cheers ATB chris :-))
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on November 21, 2021, 12:26:30 pm
That’s fine Chris :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Martin (Admin) on November 21, 2021, 12:33:38 pm
Topic renamed: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 21, 2021, 12:58:51 pm
OK Martin thanks :-)) chris
Title: Re: BOATMANS HMS TIGER C20 SCRATCHBUILD IN 1/72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on November 21, 2021, 01:44:35 pm
AN HI Bob yes i have consiidered an multi switcher unit but the one i was looking at you had to work the switcher from the R/C sticks back an fourth an as you switched on one unit it swiched another off an that i dont want as i want everyhing on if i want not just some thats why ive gone for my cam switcher idea as with this idea i can have just a few thing goin or all an i dont have to touch my R/C sticks at all as its done through the knobs on the R/C T/X hope you both as best as can be ATB chris
Chris easy to run from your set, you just use one of the several 3 way switches and you can have as many things running at same time as you like or not as these units can be latching or non latching. Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 21, 2021, 02:59:08 pm
HI Bob WHAT them 4 switches on the right hand side as im already useing one of those switches to open an close my hanger bay doors so would i need to use all the switches on one o those multi switcher units ? chris
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on November 21, 2021, 03:04:45 pm
No Chris, a three way switch will control an 8 or 16 multi switcher easily, had it on mine before now and will be using it on Victorious, all you do is set the latches on the items you want, then flick the switch the appropriate number of times till that item comes on, so if you wanted say a water pump to run continuiously and it was item 5, all you do is flick switch 5 times and it will run, turn off flick switch 5 times and off it goes.
Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 21, 2021, 03:14:48 pm
OK Bob thanks for the info but from what i see id be continuasly switchin switches an forget what im doin lol an wont it wear the switch out ? chris
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Post by: Rob47 on November 21, 2021, 04:49:03 pm
not sure why you would constantly be switching switches though, I use it to turn something on, say nav lights unit is electronic so not much danger of failure the ammout of times it would be used, horde for courses though, I love em as they are relaible but better still tiny which is a bonus. Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on November 21, 2021, 05:32:07 pm
Hi Chris,
I know your not keen on using a stick to operate the SW unit , I use the units to turn on, Radar, nav lights , helo, lighting in several areas and they can be Swtch on or off as required. As the units work on a quick movement of the stick, I still can use the same channel for another standard operation. As Rob said the electronic there is not much danger of failure as they are reliable. Yes as Rob also said “but better still tiny which is a bonus”.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 21, 2021, 05:32:51 pm
HI AGAIN Bob is this switcher the same one as dave t888 has got in his ship ? chris
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on November 21, 2021, 10:02:07 pm
HI AGAIN Bob is this switcher the same one as dave t888 has got in his ship ? chris
mine is from a different maker BUT they are all the same and virtually use the same chip, I also have a 5 ways sound effect switcher which works same way except obviously you only use one sound at a time
Bob
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Post by: frogman3 on November 21, 2021, 10:09:03 pm
OK BOB CHEERS AN THANKS for the info dosh is tight at the moment but i'll think about it an got a lot on my mind as some numpty >>:-( has hit my car an cause a fair amount of damage >>:-( <*< so got to think to get that sorted firstly O0 chris
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 28, 2021, 06:28:47 am
HI ALL well im back on my tiger build since bein ill an the next steps in the build is to build the what i call them cam switches an as my T/X has two knobs so ive built two lots of cam switches an there is 5 switches on each cam X2 so i can work up to 10 things on tiger seperately one at a time as the cam turns so they all will be on togeather or i can then back up an turn things off as i go so a linkpic of the cam board an here ive already built one an its all working ok an now im working on cam no.2 https://ibb.co/bJbJKqk
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 28, 2021, 06:35:03 am
AN the cam is just a plastic gear that has been ground down with my dremel ginder so there is a low point on the cam where the switches will be in off postion an then as i turn the micro servo the cams high point closes the switches so power can flow through them to what ever i want to work an here im now about to drill the hole in the base to allow the micro servo to sit down propebrly an be screwed in place https://ibb.co/Jj40C78
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 28, 2021, 06:36:20 am
https://ibb.co/Tm8hCB3
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 28, 2021, 06:40:05 am
an here ive just now fitting the switches mounting to be glued in place next to the servos an ive found this is a very good idea an never had any probs with it
https://ibb.co/SQB8hsV
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on November 28, 2021, 06:43:53 am
Hi Chris,
Good to see your felling better :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 28, 2021, 06:45:42 am
an both cams switches built an ive also fitted the front servo to work the front set of stabillizers an they work perfectly in tandem with the rudder an 4 rear stabilzers :-)) https://ibb.co/2YW7nMb (https://ibb.co/2YW7nMb)
(https://i.ibb.co/R4Ypv65/IMG-6839.jpg)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 28, 2021, 06:51:49 am
HI Dave cheers yes its great to feel better as i had my booster C jab an a flu jab both at the same time an talk about feel ill thought i was goin to die an i lost a stone in wheight in just a week never want to go through that again an hope you are well chris
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 28, 2021, 06:58:54 am
HERE a shot of what i have now in the bow section an its a bow thruster an esc an then the stabs servo an then the twin cam unit an then the main eletrics board an then the steam unit an then the main power batt but cant do any more wireing now till i wait for my mini choc block connecters to arrive in post from ebay https://ibb.co/K7tDjxP
(https://i.ibb.co/S0kcXwj/IMG-6837.jpg)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 28, 2021, 07:04:10 am
AN Here ive made up a glass cover to keep out any dampness from the steam unit that could get into the eletrics an now the fun bit starts an thats wirein it all up so no more pics for a few months till its all goin as i dont want to bore you all with just pics of all the wirein so till then bye for now chris https://ibb.co/McGY5Gz
(https://i.ibb.co/Stdh7dk/IMG-6836.jpg)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on November 28, 2021, 07:53:48 am
Chris,
We had the flue jab about a month ago and the booster last week, I was fine but the wife had a few days of felling rough. But all good now.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 28, 2021, 09:56:00 am
We had the flue jab about a month ago and the booster last week, I was fine but the wife had a few days of felling rough. But all good now.
HI Dave glad you both ok :-)) [size=78%]now but why i was ill i think anyhow was i had both jabs at the same time an was proberly to much for my ststem as my wife jen jen had the flu jab an then the C/ booster a couple of wks later an she had no probs [/size] [size=78%]an Dave a qeustion please on that power distrobuion board as im not useing the BECC can i still use that U-BEK unit to feed something that reqiures just 5v ? or will it damage the PDB board ?[/size] [size=78%]chris[/size]
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on November 28, 2021, 10:07:42 am
Yes Chris I use the UBEc to power the lighting and the Helicopter on Roosevelt. BUT Don’t over load it by running high amp items.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 28, 2021, 10:14:48 am
Yes Chris I use the UBEc to power the lighting and the Helicopter on Roosevelt. BUT Don’t over load it by running high amp items.
NO Dave there will be no high amps units in the bow section they are in the back section on the motors so on that 3 pin sockect i just use the postitive an neg ? yea ? chris
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on November 28, 2021, 12:54:58 pm
Correct Chris.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 28, 2021, 06:05:31 pm
thanks for that Dave cheers chris :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: ballastanksian on November 30, 2021, 09:08:14 pm
Looking forward to seeing you on the other side of the wiring marathon. Good luck :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 30, 2021, 09:22:35 pm
Looking forward to seeing you on the other side of the wiring marathon. Good luck :-)) [/quote)
HI [size=78%]ballastanksian youre not the only one either as ive got a fair idea of what wires will go where but as ive numbered them it should be quite easy but the main problem is just remembering what ive got to get working an hope i have enough channels to work everthing hopefully i will have more than enough but to morrow im gonna have to write out a list of whats gonna work an i had a lot more hair when i started this build lol but it will come just got to concentrate on whats what an take my time but i only hope i can get the wireing done before they call me into hospital as i have to have eye op an have new lences fitted an not looking forward to that but better than being blind [/size] [size=78%]chris [/size] :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: ballastanksian on December 01, 2021, 06:30:15 pm
Good luck with the 'Mince Pies'. Wishing you a speedy recovery to shipbuilding status.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 01, 2021, 06:40:46 pm
Good luck with the 'Mince Pies'. Wishing you a speedy recovery to shipbuilding status.
CHEERS [size=78%]ballastanksian AN YES i hope my mince pices or eyes turn out ok as ive gone to town today on this wirein an its taken my 7 hrs to wirein the hanger bay an thats 12 wires into 3 mini plugs with 4 wires each but the time just flys by so fast had a shock when jen bought me up a cuppa an some bicceis so more tomorrow [/size] [size=78%]thanks for your nice comments [/size] :-)) chris
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on December 02, 2021, 06:56:03 am
Keep with it Chris, when I built my HMS Clyde back in 2013-14 I put about 25meter of wiring in her. Tiger must be well past that now ? :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 02, 2021, 07:07:29 am
Keep with it Chris, when I built my HMS Clyde back in 2013-14 I put about 25meter of wiring in her. Tiger must be well past that now ? :-))
G/M Dave yes im stickin in on the build an wirein an yes there is a fair amount of wirein but still a bit more to go in as i want plenty of things working an ive made a start in the stern section on the hanger bay doors open an closeing an the flood light leds as these were the easyist to wire up for a start as i want to get in some practice before that bow section as thats gonna be the killer an i will have to think things through at that end as some wires will be doubled up so it will work things in the stern stern section but steady as she goes on the wireing a try it out before movin to the next lot of wires ATB Dave chris :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 04, 2021, 09:32:10 pm
HI ALL well operation wirein is not goin well as i can safely say that all the wirein i have fitted in the front section is correct so farbut the accessory's coloured ribbion wires have let me down as they are quite thin only about 4 strand wire an so far 3 have failed <:( <*< <*< [size=78%]as they are quite fragile so that main hull jiont plug has to come out an be scrapped an also ive did some more tests with the circut tester an to my amazement ive found out ive made a b*lls up [/size] >>:-( <*< [size=78%]as these mini plugs can only fit one way round as i wired them up in the same order as the front an again to my amazement this is wrong as they should have been wired in revese of what ive done as when i fit the mini plugs in they all wires come up in the wrong order lord knows how i made this mistake but they will all have to come out an be scrapped[/size] SO its now one step forward an two steps back but its just as well i did the testing or i might have damaged the R/X an thats 40 pounds worth so thats something gone right but as lately i have not been in a good frame of mind but i cant set about putting things right untill i get a new 44 pin male D-connector to solder all the new wires in so tiger is on hold untill it comes an myself i think what a plonker to have done this but i must admit ive never used these mini plugs before as i used chock block connenters in all my other ships but in my eyes no exsuce but it will all get sorted just gonna take a lot more time chris the plonker lol >>:-( <*< <:( https://ibb.co/cgXDRjf (https://ibb.co/cgXDRjf)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on December 05, 2021, 10:14:29 am
Sorry the hear this, hope you get it sorted out with min cost and rework :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on December 05, 2021, 10:38:17 am
thinking back to our email Chris, I am glad its not just me with wiring problems, although nearly all done and she looks great, once the distribution board is in will post pictures. Take a deep breath and think, the car, your illness now this thats Decembers block of three out of the way. Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 05, 2021, 06:18:38 pm
thinking back to our email Chris, I am glad its not just me with wiring problems, although nearly all done and she looks great, once the distribution board is in will post pictures. Take a deep breath and think, the car, your illness now this thats Decembers block of three out of the way. Bob
HI Bob yes they say things come in three's an looking forward to seeing your ship with the pdb in an hope to sort out my wireing prob soon chris :-)) [size=78%] [/size]
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 06, 2021, 09:18:01 pm
HI GUYS well just a little up date on doin the wirein well i thought its goin great as ive so far been working in the bow section an wired up the nav lights an the white mast running or steamin light which ever well i was on a roll today only to be again let down by some new plugs an sockests wel i found that after soldering on the wires for the above that when i tried to seperate the plug they just fell apart why must things be made of cr*p nowa days Aaaaaaaacccccchhhhhh[/size] THE PLUG an socket https://ibb.co/1d9KzrP[/size]
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Post by: frogman3 on December 06, 2021, 09:19:51 pm
AN the nav light an mast white running lights an yes they are bright as i want them to show up in daylight https://ibb.co/Xp6TqqD
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Post by: frogman3 on December 06, 2021, 09:22:44 pm
an i tried to super glue the plug to together but now it wont fit so in the morning i will have to cut this off an refit my old style plugs an sockets https://ibb.co/pJMCN59
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 06, 2021, 09:25:18 pm
anyone know where i can get more of these ? as im running short of them https://ibb.co/8BsKL0Y an they are called modular connecters <:( chris
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Post by: T888 on December 06, 2021, 10:10:46 pm
Chris,
Any good [size=78%]https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/183516399412 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/183516399412)[/size]
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on December 06, 2021, 11:42:12 pm
(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2021/12/06/Image.jpg) Trey these Chris, all screw connections and very strong
Bob
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Post by: frogman3 on December 07, 2021, 10:23:07 am
Any good [size=78%]https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/183516399412 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/183516399412)[/size]
HI Dave these are spot on what i wanted many thanks :-)) for finding them an ive now ordered some male an female connectors cheers you have done your good deed for the day an you can pat yourself on the back lol chris ps hopefully when these come i can get this wireing off to a good start as these are very handy to fit in if you want to be able to remove the said unit's
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 07, 2021, 10:28:51 am
HI Bob many thanks to you also for finding these connectors up but ive seen these an the are a bit to big for my perpose but cheers all the same all best to you an hope your wireing is goin better than mine lol chris (https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2021/12/06/Image.jpg) Trey these Chris, all screw connections and very strong
Bob
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Post by: T888 on December 07, 2021, 11:45:16 am
That’s Ok Chris, more than happy to help you out, I know you sometime have issue with your PC. :-)) :-))
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Post by: frogman3 on December 07, 2021, 06:20:46 pm
HI ALL well i cut off the ole crap plug an into the bin with it an useing the plug sockets in pic that dave has found as i had a few to use i have today managed to get working
no.1 nav lights an white running mast lights
no.2 bridge lights
no. 3 6 x 2mm red anti collishin leds on front mast
no. 4 front mast twin radars all goin
no. 5 cant do this till i rewire the stern section but it will be the rear main radars an that the first cam switch used up so all other things that will work will go on the other cam switch
so some good news at last an tomorrow i will spend time fittting on the wires cable ties to get the wireing all nice an neat an fit in a small chock block connector to take all the reaturn negative wires so hope fully im back on track
ATB chris
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 09, 2021, 06:44:20 am
HI GUYS yes the wirein as been a right PITA but im back on track for the bow section anyway useing my old plugs ive just jury rigged all the main bridge section so every thing works on that from R/C T/X so im pleased an today i will wire it in better but first some pics here the PDB board an i was brickin it when i turned it on in case of a prob as this was fairly costly unit but it all lit up just how its suppoced too phew as this unit powers all the lights in the main bridge S/S an all other lights in the ship so far ive only used one power terminal so another 3 still to use an the 5 v ubek unit [/size]https://ibb.co/LtSD24V [/color] [/size][/color]
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Post by: frogman3 on December 09, 2021, 06:52:42 am
here a shot of the new plug fitted on so i can remove the cam switches if i need too an the other cam switch will have the same plugs fitted thanks to ( Dave T888) for finding them for me on ebay as i looked an could not find them so Dave cheers from me :-)) an the plug is just lightly laid together but will go right home when im ready to use it an the last pin has not had a wire soldered on yet as this will go to feed the rear radar motor but its only a 3v motor bein fed by a 12v down to 3v voltage reducer so this pin may be a a 12v but im gonna try it on 6v an see how it goes but cant do any more on that till i get all the wirein sorted an im still waiting for that 44 pin plug then when that comes i can get stuck into it an get it sorted https://ibb.co/tmCDGss (https://ibb.co/tmCDGss)
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Post by: frogman3 on December 09, 2021, 06:55:16 am
here in this pic im now switching it all on from my R/C T/X an so far nav lights an bridge lights https://ibb.co/N3rHrj0 (https://ibb.co/N3rHrj0)
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Post by: frogman3 on December 09, 2021, 06:58:51 am
BETTER shot of bridge lights but later on i will remove the two bridges an fit in bridge crew members an yes they are bright but i want them to be seen in daylight https://ibb.co/VS1v3wn (https://ibb.co/VS1v3wn)
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Post by: frogman3 on December 09, 2021, 07:02:20 am
here a shot of nr everything goin from R/C on just the main bridge S/S https://ibb.co/yy0GPVT (https://ibb.co/yy0GPVT)
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Post by: frogman3 on December 09, 2021, 07:06:24 am
AN a good shot of the red 2mm A/C lights an both radars are goin pity i could not fit on a vid https://ibb.co/MSVwZm9 :-)) chris
(https://i.ibb.co/8s5vNHX/IMG-6849.jpg)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on December 09, 2021, 07:21:09 am
Chris,
Pleased to help, also glad the new connectors have arrived and are working.
Light look great :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 09, 2021, 07:31:49 am
Pleased to help, also glad the new connectors have arrived and are working.
Light look great :-))
G/M Dave sorry if i gave the wrong impression on the connectors as these ones are still my old one that i have enough to just use on the cam switches but the ones you found hav'nt come yet but im really pleased that you found them as i could not get them anywhere as used to get them from maplins but now they have gone well i was getting desprate to find some more as these are very tiny but they will carry 12v with ease an very handy to just unplug an remove the unit should the need arise as it sometimes does have a nice day Dave cheers ATB chris
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Post by: Rob47 on December 09, 2021, 12:59:04 pm
Looking good now Chris, wiring is a pig at times. Nice to see you use Layouts as well brilliant service. To answer your question on Vic, yes red bridge lights, nav, radar (going to be a right pig to build), fogohorn, action stations alrm and poss smoke gen
Bob
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Post by: frogman3 on December 09, 2021, 02:32:07 pm
Looking good now Chris, wiring is a pig at times. Nice to see you use Layouts as well brilliant service. To answer your question on Vic, yes red bridge lights, nav, radar (going to be a right pig to build), fogohorn, action stations alrm and poss smoke gen
Bob
HI Bob yes wireing can get you some times especially as i made a right b*lls up on my rear section wireing but its let me down by breaking at the hull jiont plug so got to all come out an be reworked but i keep it all in my head as a boaty freind came over the other day sayin he wants to buy her when im ready to let her go an saying that i ought to do wireing dioagrams but if i did that i d never get an work done on her as for me its one circut at a time that way you know what wires got to go where an feed whats what an did i see you say in your ship that you got it down to a dozen wires as if you are goin to fit all that in what you said above it will take more wires than that as my steam unit has got about 6 wires on it an thats just one unit but i really hope you do fit all this workin features in her as that brings the model to life :-)) a n yes that layouts shop is brilliant as jen phones them up for me an i pay by card an sometimes what i oredered is here the very nxt day they are very good an i'll use them again if i need to :-)) ATB Chris
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Post by: frogman3 on December 16, 2021, 09:04:20 am
HI ALL well ive fitted in the R/X at the bow an it can be lifted out an easy to get to https://ibb.co/w4YLvw9
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 16, 2021, 09:07:09 am
AN Here ive made up a gaget to start the steam unit goin from R/C via my T/X AN THE SMALL RED CAM will work both sets of cooling fans also by micro servo https://ibb.co/M2jLqFN
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Post by: frogman3 on December 16, 2021, 09:08:26 am
shot here of all the cam switches https://ibb.co/60cddxH
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Post by: frogman3 on December 16, 2021, 09:09:37 am
most of the gadgets layouts https://ibb.co/2N052Vh
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 16, 2021, 09:10:15 am
https://ibb.co/Lg8wpsG
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 16, 2021, 09:14:20 am
an here all the bow section all powered up an working from my T/X an the steam unit works ok but it was only on a few seconds but will blow steam higher when its is running longer its just that i dint want to get steam all over the ship but when its sailing the wind will blow it away https://ibb.co/M1B9Hj3
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Post by: frogman3 on December 16, 2021, 09:14:55 am
https://ibb.co/tByLwdd
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 16, 2021, 09:17:51 am
an last shot today of the cover as when steam unit working i dint want dampness to get into the eletrics an so far no steam globulues have drop onto the cover but this is just in case there are some :-)) https://ibb.co/dGrzSkp (https://ibb.co/dGrzSkp) chris
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Post by: Dreadnought on December 16, 2021, 09:38:27 am
Looking great :-)) :-)) Like a telephone exchange lol ok2 ok2
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Post by: frogman3 on December 16, 2021, 02:41:30 pm
Great stuff there matey! I am glad you know what's going on. I reckon NASA will be calling you for advice on wiring probes etc :)
COR great that would be to get the wages they pay id be more than happy to rig up a circut or two lol chris
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 18, 2021, 09:36:39 am
HI ALL well thats that right hand cam switch all wired up so looking down on it the left cam switch is for all the 6v units in the front mainly but some wires will double up an go through to the stern section an the right hand cam switch is all 12v wireing through to the stern section mostly to fit on to other voltage reducers such as 12v -9v -6v -5V -3V AN 12v to 24v if i decide to fit another steam unit in the stern section for the rear funnel but that will be thought of in the new yr all that remain to do in the bow section is to fit in the LEDS voltage checkers AN the wireing exstions to reach the r/x fitted in the bow chris :-)) an ive now got the main 44 pins plug so i can put all that stern section wirein to rights as the wirein i have fitted has failed on the hull jiont plug an broke so its all got to come out an be rewired but that will be after my eye op as they have had a concelalion so they are goin to op on my eye on dec 23 so no tiger work for a bit just got to hope things go ok https://ibb.co/KN03BF0
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 04, 2022, 08:12:24 am
HI all well cant do much on tiger for a week or so as had an eye operation to remove a caterack an have a new plastic lens fitted just before xmas but when my eye is better then the build will be back on the go meanwhile im bored stiff from watching the junk on the telly happy new year all chris <:(
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: derekwarner on January 04, 2022, 08:51:22 am
oouuch... <*< it sounds painful Chris......take care & we will look forward to the recommencement of work in a few weeks
Compliments of the Season to you from OZ
Derek
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 04, 2022, 09:01:41 am
oouuch... <*< it sounds painful Chris......take care & we will look forward to the recommencement of work in a few weeks
Compliments of the Season to you from OZ
Derek
HI Derek an thanks for the good wishes an no not painfull just stings abit when my wife jen puts in two lots of eye drops three times a day an will have to phone hos an ask how long ive got to keep puttin in them eye drops as no one said in hos or i missed it but jen said she never heard anything about it either ATB TO YOU SIR chris an jen
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Dave_S. on January 04, 2022, 10:35:32 am
HI Derek an thanks for the good wishes an no not painfull just stings abit when my wife jen puts in two lots of eye drops three times a day an will have to phone hos an ask how long ive got to keep puttin in them eye drops as no one said in hos or i missed it but jen said she never heard anything about it either ATB TO YOU SIR chris an jen
I had mine done last November I was on two drops (but a different two every other time) eight times a day for 4 weeks. Had to keep a chart to make sure I didn't miss any, but not everyone's eyes are the same, I had to have a retina reattached earlier in the year and have had uveitis (inflammation inside the eye) for 7 or 8 years, so I think most of my eye drops were to suppress any reaction from them after the cataract op. I can certainly see a lot better since the op though, definitely worth it.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Backerther on January 04, 2022, 10:58:46 am
Hi Chris; I spent a month to get into my normal life according to a chart supplied by the doctor,that showed when to be available for watching TV,washing a face,driving a car,etc....final was the swimming to wait longer than one month.
Follow the instructions by chart and the doctor in charge precisely as you do on your model ship builds.!! :-)) O0
Kiyo
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 04, 2022, 11:08:17 am
HI Guys many thanks for your replys so ive got to stick it longer then oh well its for the best i suppose as dont want any infections or anything to go wrong cheers guys chris
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on January 04, 2022, 01:08:35 pm
Chris as I had my cataracts sorted while under full aneshetic for the hole in eye to be repaired, my recovery was a lot longer at three months, but at least it was all done at once thankfully, then a year later same op different eye, but all sorted and passed DVLA test for D1 licence with a score of 100%, just got to take time.
Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 04, 2022, 01:11:41 pm
Chris as I had my cataracts sorted while under full aneshetic for the hole in eye to be repaired, my recovery was a lot longer at three months, but at least it was all done at once thankfully, then a year later same op different eye, but all sorted and passed DVLA test for D1 licence with a score of 100%, just got to take time.
Bob
CHEERS Bob i wonder if i will have to have a test ? as i can see lovley CHRIS
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on January 06, 2022, 03:40:56 pm
Chris if it was only one eye operated on for cataracts, you do not have to report, mine was more serious as it was a hole in the eye and as I wanted a D1 licence back I had to do the extra test. Thought you might like this shot
Bob (https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2022/01/06/IMG_1452.jpg)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 06, 2022, 05:41:12 pm
Chris if it was only one eye operated on for cataracts, you do not have to report, mine was more serious as it was a hole in the eye and as I wanted a D1 licence back I had to do the extra test. Thought you might like this shot
Bob
HI BOB YES ONE EYE ONLY an cheers for the pic it will all help me on the build chris (https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2022/01/06/IMG_1452.jpg)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 26, 2022, 09:09:22 am
HI ALL well i went to see the opticain yesterday for her to check my eye after eye op an ive been given the thumbs up so im now restarting on tiger build hooray as been bored stiff over xmas an all this month so if all goes well will post some linkpics on soon on the tiger build :-)) chris
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Backerther on January 26, 2022, 12:58:11 pm
Hi Chris;
Congratulations for a good result on your eye operation.!! But you had better restart slowly your build of Tiger in early stage for your eye. :-))
Kiyo
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on January 26, 2022, 02:30:54 pm
Good news Chris, looking at last photo I sent the frame work on theStarboard hangar door is not something you need to worry about, its all thats left from boarding it up after the door was removed to be fitted on Blake
Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Dan on January 26, 2022, 09:16:14 pm
Glad to see you've had the go ahead from the optician Chris! Looking forward to seeing your progress with Tiger now over the coming weeks!
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 26, 2022, 09:41:56 pm
Congratulations for a good result on your eye operation.!! But you had better restart slowly your build of Tiger in early stage for your eye. :-))
Kiyo
HI Kiyo many thanks for your kind comments an yes im still takin it easy but we have jen an i been working on tiger as jen has been soldering some wires for me as i told her what to do an how an she's enjoying doin it as she was smiling happy after she did the slodering as she said it makes a change from her jewleyaery makein eg . necklaces an earing 's so may have a new apprentice lol hope you are well chris
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 26, 2022, 09:47:44 pm
Good news Chris, looking at last photo I sent the frame work on theStarboard hangar door is not something you need to worry about, its all thats left from boarding it up after the door was removed to be fitted on Blake
Bob
HI Bob cheers an yes i thought it was that but dint know they nicked the door to but on blake poor tiger an hope you both as well as can be same as us ATB TO YOU AN YOUR WIFE chris an jen
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 26, 2022, 10:01:51 pm
Glad to see you've had the go ahead from the optician Chris! Looking forward to seeing your progress with Tiger now over the coming weeks!
AN HI Dan yes its all systems go on tiger but ive still got to take it easy for another two wks or so but will put on some linkpics soon so jen has been doin some soldering for me after i just told her witch wire goes where an solder this wire to that an she is enjoyin it may have a new apprentice lol how things goin on your type 22 eh ? ATB TO YOU chris jen :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Dan on January 27, 2022, 10:40:24 am
AN HI Dan yes its all systems go on tiger but ive still got to take it easy for another two wks or so but will put on some linkpics soon so jen has been doin some soldering for me after i just told her witch wire goes where an solder this wire to that an she is enjoyin it may have a new apprentice lol how things goin on your type 22 eh ? ATB TO YOU chris jen :-))
That's awefully good of her, I'm sure.shes doing a great job! There's slow progress on the type 22. Doesn't look much different, but I'm slowly working my way through fitting the stanchions and fittings. I haven't put any photos up because at the moment it doesn't look much different. But I'm hoping to have it completed by early April... Ready for the next build
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 27, 2022, 01:02:08 pm
That's awefully good of her, I'm sure.shes doing a great job! There's slow progress on the type 22. Doesn't look much different, but I'm slowly working my way through fitting the stanchions and fittings. I haven't put any photos up because at the moment it doesn't look much different. But I'm hoping to have it completed by early April... Ready for the next build [/ quote]
HI DAN yes she's a good wife certainly picked the right one an dont mean to be nosey but are you married yet ? an ok its slow goin on the 22 but you will get it done as you are doin a very nice job of her an exscuse me for asking but whats the next build ? ATB CHRIS
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Dan on January 27, 2022, 01:45:33 pm
Not nosey at all mate, I'm not married yet, but do live and have a young baby with my partner Shannen. She's tolerates the models.. just :embarrassed:
I've narrowed it down to two. HMS Invincible in 1:96, or HMS Tyne in 1:48. I was originally planning on doing something 1:72nd scale, but Invincible at 1:96 is just over 200cm, plenty big enough for me, and it'll match the scale of the type 22 when it's done. Id have to do it in two halves though for transport purposes. Something I'll be re-reading on your build threads when the time comes :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 27, 2022, 04:14:10 pm
Not nosey at all mate, I'm not married yet, but do live and have a young baby with my partner Shannen. She's tolerates the models.. just :embarrassed:
I've narrowed it down to two. HMS Invincible in 1:96, or HMS Tyne in 1:48. I was originally planning on doing something 1:72nd scale, but Invincible at 1:96 is just over 200cm, plenty big enough for me, and it'll match the scale of the type 22 when it's done. Id have to do it in two halves though for transport purposes. Something I'll be re-reading on your build threads when the time comes :-))
SORRY Dan dint mean to embarrareses you but good on you havin a good lady an a youngster very well done an after tiger im thinking of doin hms clyide in 1/48 scale with grp hull an with a chopper on as ive never built in 1/48th before an that will be my very last model as be to old to do any more an yes ivincable in 1/96 is a fanstatic model an if you do want to do a split hull i'll be only to pleased to help you do it but you must have an upright bench drill cos without that you wont be able to drill the hull jiont holes accruatly an if its not accrute then it will not fit togeather got mine from B/Q about 40 quid but very handy as ive used mine no end of times anyway you three all stay safe an well ATB Chris an jen
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on January 27, 2022, 04:36:09 pm
Hi Chris,
Nice to see you back online, hope the eyes are working at 20/20
If you do make HMS Clyde I can help you out , as I made Clyde base on SIRMAR GRE Hull back in 2013/14, my build was published in Model Boats mag.
Hope you don’t mind me posting a pic of on this thread.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 27, 2022, 06:11:22 pm
Nice to see you back online, hope the eyes are working at 20/20
If you do make HMS Clyde I can help you out , as I made Clyde base on SIRMAR GRE Hull back in 2013/14, my build was published in Model Boats mag.
Hope you don’t mind me posting a pic of on this thread.
HI Dave nice to see you on here again an hope you are well an no i dont mind the pic as she looks great an yes please for some help very kind of you as its in a big scale i want to make loads of stuff work on her do you know the price of the hull in 1/48th scale ? then we are two of a kind as dave wooley done a five page write up an pics of my nimitz in model boats an i was very pleased still got the mag it was feb 2015 an to my amazement the mag has got your clyde on the front cover as i am now looking at it an my nimitz is inside as well as a 3 page featuer on your clyde very well done but fancy both our ships bein in there at the same time wow chris
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Dan on January 27, 2022, 10:09:44 pm
SORRY Dan dint mean to embarrareses you but good on you havin a good lady an a youngster very well done an after tiger im thinking of doin hms clyide in 1/48 scale with grp hull an with a chopper on as ive never built in 1/48th before an that will be my very last model as be to old to do any more an yes ivincable in 1/96 is a fanstatic model an if you do want to do a split hull i'll be only to pleased to help you do it but you must have an upright bench drill cos without that you wont be able to drill the hull jiont holes accruatly an if its not accrute then it will not fit togeather got mine from B/Q about 40 quid but very handy as ive used mine no end of times anyway you three all stay safe an well ATB Chris an jen
No embarresment on my side Chris :-) I do take alot of infor from your threads, they're very useful/helpful. So the sooner you carry on with Tiger, the better for me :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 27, 2022, 10:33:57 pm
No embarresment on my side Chris :-) I do take alot of infor from your threads, they're very useful/helpful. So the sooner you carry on with Tiger, the better for me :-))
HI Dan im glad my threads are usefull to you an glad to think im helping you thats how it should be in this hatefull world an yes tiger is now being worked on but its the wireing that bein done now so i hope you like wireing Dan chris / jen
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 31, 2022, 05:17:16 am
PART TWO OF TIGER BUILD :-)) Well im back on tiger build after eye op but takin it easy an my wife jen is helping me an as i had wireing failure on the first attempt ive reworked all 44 wires in the D-connector with stronger wires an this was just before my eye op
but its all done an had just two wires get conneckted togeather by solder when wireing the H/J plug so ive turned them too one wire to carry power an here the new wires just laid out so ready to begin again when my eye is better https://ibb.co/82VGVL0
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 31, 2022, 05:25:16 am
So next i thought id wire in the sound whooper as i made this ready months ago an so i dont strain my eye doin fiddley soldering as jen has done some for me to see me through till i can do it so here is the unit laid out ready to fit an spk https://ibb.co/YZkBFdg
(https://i.ibb.co/L5tdXgK/IMG-6889.jpg)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 31, 2022, 05:27:55 am
AN here spk installed an wired up by a simple plug in system https://ibb.co/GPGxXy5
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 31, 2022, 05:30:00 am
an spk back plate all screwed down to hold it in place in sound box https://ibb.co/8b49Qc0
(https://i.ibb.co/VxpTkmt/IMG-6891.jpg)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 31, 2022, 05:35:38 am
now here the deck is fitted back in place so the sound unit can be installed an it is now just waiting for the top cover to be fitted but i will show that next time as better rest my eye but all the deck edges will be repainted to smarten it up later chris :-)) https://ibb.co/ns75RRM
(https://i.ibb.co/3ypLkkm/IMG-6892.jpg)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on January 31, 2022, 06:15:21 am
Good to see you back Chris :-))
Jenn’s done some nice wiring & soldering
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 31, 2022, 06:27:39 am
HI Again Dave CAN YOU REMEMBER how much that cylde hull in 1/48 th cost ?an was it from sirmar ? or fleetscale ? chris :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on January 31, 2022, 07:19:48 am
Chris,
I got it from Barry at SIRMAR, which was returned to them, and the price was adjusted for that. (I was very pleased with there GRE hull) The damage was so minor and the reason for the Swedish customer rejection of the hull, was just a bit of damage to the jell coat and any modeller could have repaired it. Anyway my luck, the cost back in 2011 was £135.
Be aware Chris the drawings for Clyde that are now sold by Trinity have sky rocketed in cost. Fleetscale hull is a 1/96 scale and they don’t do a 1/48 scale version.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 31, 2022, 07:28:19 am
I got it from Barry at SIRMAR, which was returned to them, and the price was adjusted for that. (I was very pleased with there GRE hull) The damage was so minor and the reason for the Swedish customer rejection of the hull, was just a bit of damage to the jell coat and any modeller could have repaired it. Anyway my luck, the cost back in 2011 was £135.
Be aware Chris the drawings for Clyde that are now sold by Trinity have sky rocketed in cost. Fleetscale hull is a 1/96 scale and they don’t do a 1/48 scale version.
HI again Dave many thanks for info on clyde so if i did get the 148 th hull then ive got too buy the plans at 1/96 th an then have them blown up to 1/48th scale oh yes exspesive then dont jecobin do them in 1/48th or are they now this trinty ? chris
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on January 31, 2022, 07:38:41 am
Chris,
Thats what I did, Jecobin 1/96-1/48 plans are now supplied by Trinity, I assume Fleetscale 1/96 plans are Jecobin (but F/S hull is of the Batch 1 shaped hulls) that again are now from Trinity. But talk to Jason at Fleetscale, he will be able to say if there plan is there own or is a Jecobin plan.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 31, 2022, 07:55:12 am
WELL Dave thats if i do build this ship as gettin old now an by the time i finish tiger i may be to old or infirm to build again but if im ok then i will do how i did on tigers plans contact jecobin -trinty an ask them to blow up the 1/96 plans to 1/48yth scale for me yes exspensive but this modeling lark is getting very costly but if you want to build the model then its PAY PAY is'nt it or pack up altogether only other option an i dont want to do that chris :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on January 31, 2022, 10:30:24 am
Thats what I did, Jecobin 1/96-1/48 plans are now supplied by Trinity, I assume Fleetscale 1/96 plans are Jecobin (but F/S hull is of the Batch 1 shaped hulls) that again are now from Trinity. But talk to Jason at Fleetscale, he will be able to say if there plan is there own or is a Jecobin plan.
Dave Totally agree about Trinity, they are beyond a joke, Jecobin may not be the most accurate at time but at least they were affordable. It now makes NMM plans cheap :)
Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on January 31, 2022, 10:31:15 am
now here the deck is fitted back in place so the sound unit can be installed an it is now just waiting for the top cover to be fitted but i will show that next time as better rest my eye but all the deck edges will be repainted to smarten it up later chris :-)) https://ibb.co/ns75RRM (https://ibb.co/ns75RRM)
Size of your hull Chris that foghorn is going to be noisy :) Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 31, 2022, 11:27:41 am
HI Dave sorry something screwy is goin on i dont know if its my laptop or imgbb but it wont let me upload anymore pics so im finishing the build blog all best to all chris
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on February 14, 2022, 08:32:20 pm
Hi Chris,
If it helps you could send the pictures to my email address and I’ll load them to you build log.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 14, 2022, 08:46:14 pm
If it helps you could send the pictures to my email address and I’ll load them to you build log.
HI Dave very kind of you an i will take you up on your offer but just give it a day or two to see if imgbb will come back online with the image codes because thats the problem but a little while ago it came up different from when i was trying to upload the linkpic from imgbb if not i'll send you a pm as im not sure if ive still got your email address many thanks chris :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on February 14, 2022, 08:50:06 pm
Chris, Email sent your email.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 14, 2022, 09:05:23 pm
OK Dave yes i see it an will copy into my laptop s memory banks many thanks an i'll let you know in a day or so ok but i will now try an send you an email ok cheers ATB Chris
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: ballastanksian on February 14, 2022, 09:27:33 pm
Computers eh Chris? :(( <*<
You can't live without them, you can't live with them!
I am leased to see that your eye ops were successful and that work has begun again on the Tiger with more lovely wiring. I reckon she'll have more wiring than the real thing :}
I do hope that you can get more images of your brilliant ship as the work is brilliant and I for one would miss seeing the progress. BUT, high blood pressure and recovering eyes don't mix, so don't get poorly stressing over the problem.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 14, 2022, 09:57:36 pm
You can't live without them, you can't live with them!
I am leased to see that your eye ops were successful and that work has begun again on the Tiger with more lovely wiring. I reckon she'll have more wiring than the real thing :}
I do hope that you can get more images of your brilliant ship as the work is brilliant and I for one would miss seeing the progress. BUT, high blood pressure and recovering eyes don't mix, so don't get poorly stressing over the problem.
HI [size=78%]ballastanksian thank you for your blog an yes i just dont know whats goin on wheather its my laptop or IMGBB but it wont let me down load any more linkpics but something different happened agan tonight when i was trying to download linkpic so it may come right or i maybe at my limit of free pics an may have to pay but it dont say so weill give it a day or two an see if my image codes come back in if not then i'll do what Dave suggested so the build may go on hoefully an yes ive been takin it easy on hospital orders regards my eye op but its now wonderfull to see clearly again an thank you for asking an no im not gonna stress my eyes as dont want to lose them [/size] [size=78%]ATB TO YOU SIR [/size] [size=78%]chris [/size]
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 14, 2022, 10:38:27 pm
HI ALL hope fully im back on as ive been pokeing about in imgbb an it looks like they have changed the place where the linkpic image code is put so im now gonna post a test pic to see if ive cracked it an if the pic comes up ive just turned every thing on but will tell more tomorrow if it works as now off to bed to rest my eye atb guys chris
https://ibb.co/ZBjR6Jq
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 14, 2022, 10:41:23 pm
HI ALL hope fully im back on as ive been pokeing about in imgbb an it looks like they have changed the place where the linkpic image code is put so im now gonna post a test pic to see if ive cracked it an if the pic comes up ive just turned every thing on but will tell more tomorrow if it works as now off to bed to rest my eye atb guys chris
https://ibb.co/ZBjR6Jq (https://ibb.co/ZBjR6Jq)
AN IT DOES so looks like im back in bussiness a few more pic tomorrow an tales of woe chris
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on February 15, 2022, 07:12:31 am
That’s good news :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 15, 2022, 09:02:52 am
YES IT IS Dave now goin hopefully to post some more linkpics if i can chris
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 15, 2022, 09:40:44 am
HI ALL well i think i can now upload some link-pickeis an first off a shot of the R/X an to show ive nearly used up all the plugs for servos funtctions as no 2 will be to work gun turrets an the last 3 plugs well ? an i fitted everything on the ship ive made work so far but abit of a dissapointment as even though ive fitted on BIG SLA 12V 12AMP HR BATTERY with everything goin it only ran for about 10 mins so may be a bad batt but will try another today if i can an if still the same then i will have to cut back on some things but first i will diconnect the small 6v fans as they are not really nessacery an see if that make any difference https://ibb.co/s61RFg6
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 15, 2022, 09:47:21 am
next pic is of the 12v to 6v voltage reducer to power the R/X an its fitted with an auto cut out in case it get to hot but one of the small 6v fans im gonna dissconect i will fit it in the front of this power reducer to cool it as it was getting rather warm wnen everything was goin so see if that helps to cool it an the wirein wll be tidyied up later https://ibb.co/y4M5z6C (https://ibb.co/y4M5z6C)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 15, 2022, 10:01:01 am
an here main eletrics bay to work all things like lights an servos an such but i may do away with the one on the right as its only got 2 x 12v things runing off an the 3 other switches dont power anything yet an now wont so if i remove it that will save a servo power on that one https://ibb.co/QPYXyrx
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 15, 2022, 10:04:03 am
AN Next the PDB board an the steam unit https://ibb.co/vYGztjL
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 15, 2022, 10:07:15 am
an the 12v 12amp hr Batt but this may need to be dicharge an recharge to get to full capastiy as this is a new batt https://ibb.co/hBydzVC
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Post by: frogman3 on February 15, 2022, 10:13:56 am
AN HERE a shot of the big 4inch cooling fan to help cool the motors an such https://ibb.co/v11ys9B
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Post by: frogman3 on February 15, 2022, 10:18:52 am
in this pic a shot of the reworked 44 wires to power things in the stern section an they are now all fitted in an reasonably tidy an away from the motors shafts so they wont catch on https://ibb.co/TWtjBVL
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 15, 2022, 10:22:34 am
an here just trying out both hanger doors to open an close an the flight deck lighting an it all work ok just wish i had a mini nuclear reactor for power LOL https://ibb.co/Qk8MMG1
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Post by: frogman3 on February 15, 2022, 10:27:33 am
an lastly an the steam unit put out some steam but when i took this pic the batt was running down so not too much steam but it was really pumpin it out when i first switched it on so got to conseserve some power somehow chris https://ibb.co/CKmswKS (https://ibb.co/CKmswKS)
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Post by: T888 on February 15, 2022, 12:57:07 pm
Chris,
Very pleased you are still able to post pictures of your build.
I hope you either have a photo graphic memory or Jen has {-) As your wiring is oarsome :-)) :-))
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Post by: frogman3 on February 15, 2022, 04:42:12 pm
Very pleased you are still able to post pictures of your build.
I hope you either have a photo graphic memory or Jen has {-) As your wiring is oarsome :-)) :-))
yes im pleased to be back posting but why imgbb had to alter it i dont know but at least i know now an yes wireing is bit of a job to rememeber but ive put on tags so i know what an where the wire feeds too but i think i'll have to lose some as i think ive overdone it lol an ive still got the 2 gun turrets to wire in yet an the working seaking helo so got to do some thinking on whats got to go chris
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Post by: dodes on February 18, 2022, 02:50:29 pm
Sorry the pic was not clearer, but it was a foggy day the old girl was towed out of Portsmouth for razor blades. I took it from the office on flag staff jetty one up from South Railway Jetty.
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Post by: dodes on February 18, 2022, 02:52:28 pm
Sorry but for some reason it would not open first time round.
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Post by: frogman3 on February 18, 2022, 05:33:31 pm
HI Doades cheers for the pic i think some one else posted the same pic further back in the build never can have enough pics thank you for posting this but its a sad day for her to be scrapped but by gum she was big wasnt she an so is my tiger model in 1/72 semi scale a real cracker of a ship an im still trying to work out my power problem but made a start at one trouble point so that may be the cause but will keep at it till it all runs for at least a half an hr if that happens then i will be happy with the model but there is a lot of workings items ATB chris :-))
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Post by: dodes on February 18, 2022, 08:34:41 pm
Wish all the best, always thought that class was probably the best looking and with her advanced gyro stabilised guns probably the best light cruiser built in this country.
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Post by: ballastanksian on February 18, 2022, 08:51:29 pm
Iv'e just read the history of her and it was most interesting what with the automatic 6inch guns being unreliable (obviously taken into account when designing and building the 4.5inch guns) and the squabbles over her completing and rebuilding.
The image looks better in that misty style. She is a huge ship ad looks much more imposing through the murk!
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Post by: dodes on February 19, 2022, 11:35:04 am
Remember my long time dead brother who was in the Andrew telling me as a youngster, that her 6" guns used to quiver when in use to maintain range due to ship movement. An old friend of mine served as a gunner on her and he said that with the 3" guns, they could jam when in auto and you had to fist punch the shells to maintain loading, said it was a bit hairy but that was it. Also they reckon that when in auto the the guns could empty the 3" mags in about 20 mins such was their rate of fire, probably explains why those guns were not extended to new builds.
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Post by: Rob47 on February 19, 2022, 12:30:42 pm
Re the guns, they were never 100% successful but when they worked they were awesome, if you search you tube for "navy gets Tiger) it shows the "3 giving it stick. Chris, think you must have a dodgy battery as the pwer drain would only affect you if you left all items runing all the time, which you never are going to do are you?. The only time I have had similar it was always batts, and the new electronic stuff really draws neglible power so batt first..
Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 20, 2022, 11:05:22 am
Wish all the best, always thought that class was probably the best looking and with her advanced gyro stabilised guns probably the best light cruiser built in this country.
HI Doades yes really aggree with you on a nice looking ship an yes she was huge an bigger still with that nice lookin hanger bay an big rardar really set her off i think anyway thats why im enjoing building her in this model chris :-))
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Post by: T888 on February 20, 2022, 11:09:07 am
I can see why you had to make the hull in two sections. Can’t wait for you to post her sea trails photos.
Very nice build Chris. :-))
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Post by: frogman3 on February 20, 2022, 11:10:49 am
AN HI COULD YOU you give me a link to her history
ballastanksian (https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=14161) chris :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 20, 2022, 11:14:29 am
Re the guns, they were never 100% successful but when they worked they were awesome, if you search you tube for "navy gets Tiger) it shows the "3 giving it stick. Chris, think you must have a dodgy battery as the pwer drain would only affect you if you left all items runing all the time, which you never are going to do are you?. The only time I have had similar it was always batts, and the new electronic stuff really draws neglible power so batt first..
Bob [/quote)
AN HI Bob cheers for info but not batt as its my fault will exsplain when i put on some new linkpics of her goin for a half an hr with nr everything goin
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Post by: frogman3 on February 20, 2022, 11:21:30 am
I can see why you had to make the hull in two sections. Can’t wait for you to post her sea trails photos.
Very nice build Chris. :-))
HI Dave yes two hulls was the way to go on all my builds so i can get the ship in the car for transport to pond but now got a smaller car but it should go in as i have mesured it but tight fit cheers for stoppin chris
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 20, 2022, 11:45:46 am
HI ALL WELL regards my power shortage an after some testing found that problem is mine as when i was wirein up this ship a few wks ago i had this eye op on my mind alot an not thinking clearly so i found when runnig it that the front 12v down to 6v voltage reducer was getting quite hot an when i checked the wireing i found that i had made a classic mistate as this unit should just have been wired up to work THE R/X an 10 servos well some how i wired it up so that it worked all the 6v things in the whole ship an it was over loading an cuttin out due to a thermal coutout in the unit so this is my fault so i set it to rights an now i have fitted in a new 12 down to 6v reducer an it all ran fine friday night had nr everthing goin for half an hr an it only used not qiute one volt from the batt so im pleased so a couple of linkpics to show the new unit fitted an wired in to work all the lights an hanger bay https://ibb.co/KGRwP8L
https://ibb.co/kqDmx7n
(https://i.ibb.co/6DtXmMh/IMG-6955.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/7z84f0R/IMG-6954.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on February 20, 2022, 12:03:32 pm
AN Now onto some linkpics here is now i ran her in the dark so all the light can be seen https://ibb.co/8jKBGQg
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Post by: frogman3 on February 20, 2022, 12:06:34 pm
an bridge lights but these wont show too much in daylight but it will show up the bridge crew members when i fit them https://ibb.co/MRW21TL
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Post by: frogman3 on February 20, 2022, 12:09:00 pm
AN Sorry pic not clear as the big main radar is turning https://ibb.co/2ywNLZ9
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Post by: frogman3 on February 20, 2022, 12:10:37 pm
https://ibb.co/qnQsL4k
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Post by: frogman3 on February 20, 2022, 12:11:57 pm
https://ibb.co/sKKnhcL
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Post by: T888 on February 20, 2022, 12:12:07 pm
They look great, she will look good at night on the water.
Pleased that you sorted out your power issues Chris. On ward and up wards %% %%
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Post by: frogman3 on February 20, 2022, 12:14:30 pm
an a shot here of hanger doors open https://ibb.co/2NNkjPS
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Post by: frogman3 on February 20, 2022, 12:17:29 pm
helo landing bubble lit up with two crew members in there an ive forgotten to fit the window wipers do thats a job for another day https://ibb.co/Bf8H4kL (https://ibb.co/Bf8H4kL)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 20, 2022, 12:21:58 pm
an here a couple of shot of the the steam unit was goin perfectly https://ibb.co/FBvG5bM
https://ibb.co/5hMKssD
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 20, 2022, 12:30:09 pm
AN a half built 1/72 seaking on flight deck but mine when built will be all workin an nav lights an such https://ibb.co/HDFj5DG (https://ibb.co/HDFj5DG)
https://ibb.co/X8MjLH6 (https://ibb.co/X8MjLH6)
(https://i.ibb.co/bgWkcgN/IMG-6951.jpg)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 20, 2022, 01:13:50 pm
HI ALL WELL regards my power shortage an after some testing found that problem is mine as when i was wirein up this ship a few wks ago i had this eye op on my mind alot an not thinking clearly so i found when runnig it that the front 12v down to 6v voltage reducer was getting quite hot an when i checked the wireing i found that i had made a classic mistate as this unit should just have been wired up to work THE R/X an 10 servos well some how i wired it up so that it worked all the 6v things in the whole ship an it was over loading an cuttin out due to a thermal coutout in the unit so this is my fault so i set it to rights an now i have fitted in a new 12 down to 6v reducer an it all ran fine friday night had nr everthing goin for half an hr an it only used not qiute one volt from the batt so im pleased so a couple of linkpics to show the new unit fitted an wired in to work all the lights an hanger bay https://ibb.co/KGRwP8L (https://ibb.co/KGRwP8L)
https://ibb.co/kqDmx7n (https://ibb.co/kqDmx7n)
Wow that regulator is huge Chris, not knicked from Tiger is it? {-)
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Post by: frogman3 on February 20, 2022, 05:18:24 pm
yea bob just save my buyin it lol no its a fair size one so it can take plenty of power as its meant for a car ciggy light plug hope you both as well as can be chris
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Post by: frogman3 on February 28, 2022, 07:37:22 pm
HI ALL GOIN TO fit a working seaking on her flight deck but the kit ive bought was not built when tiger was in servise so its gonna be a ficticional one https://ibb.co/2qdZrkH
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 28, 2022, 07:41:03 pm
the 1/72 kit https://ibb.co/SRV6GDj
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 28, 2022, 07:42:53 pm
to me the rotar blades look to thin an weak so may have to strenghen them https://ibb.co/PTzhPm4
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Post by: frogman3 on February 28, 2022, 07:49:19 pm
an gold eletric pickup pins an sockets that will give the chopper power https://ibb.co/Y8dL6CQ
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Post by: frogman3 on February 28, 2022, 07:51:44 pm
here the tiny 3v motors that will power the chopper hopefully but wont know for denite till ive mad the big rotatars an try it https://ibb.co/gytXBz9
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Post by: frogman3 on February 28, 2022, 07:55:47 pm
close up of motor an gearbox for main rotars https://ibb.co/KLFCk4V
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Post by: frogman3 on February 28, 2022, 07:57:45 pm
an the small tiny motor to work the tail rotoar https://ibb.co/Z6RMkdx
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Post by: frogman3 on February 28, 2022, 07:59:36 pm
an the leds im goin to use to light it up with nav lights an such https://ibb.co/wcR3QF9
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Post by: frogman3 on February 28, 2022, 08:02:11 pm
an ive got 4 other seaking that can be put in the hangers bays lookin like they are bein serviced https://ibb.co/smsFkGr
(https://i.ibb.co/WxBcqw1/IMG-6975.jpg)
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Post by: T888 on March 04, 2022, 07:52:52 pm
Chris, Shes coming along :-)) four sea kings in your hangers must be massive ?
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 04, 2022, 08:22:08 pm
Chris, Shes coming along :-)) four sea kings in your hangers must be massive ?
HI Dave yea the hanger is a fair size just measured it an its 13 inches long an nr 10 inches wide but i dont think the got all four seakings in their just three an one standing out on the flight deck an teid down in rough weather but i'll say this the blooming thing is made as light as possible but is stil feels heavy but i do need a fair amount of wheight anyway to get her down in the water
an im thinking of fitting them steel half x half inch counter weights on her keel while i can still turn her upside down easy yes be more weight to lift but if i wait till shes finished an then try an fit it then i'll damage the railind on the main deck an if its not needed then i can easily just unscrew them an remove them but when she finenally goes for her maiden voyage their will be a lot of exspreimenting an ive may have a chap on anther site who wants to see her an he says he will video her an put it on utube as he has an account on it so see what an how she progress through this yr but tonight i loaded up all the batts an all S/S AN GAVE HER A RUN AN IT WENT ALL OK so looking good as at the moment im now wireing in helicopter power wires to go up to the flight deck ATB
CHRIS
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Post by: T888 on March 04, 2022, 08:57:39 pm
Chris,
Will be nice to see the video once it’s done.
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Post by: frogman3 on March 04, 2022, 09:16:13 pm
WELL Dave as i exsplained to him it will be a short notice job on his phone by txt unless we get nice wheather for a few days altogeather as with the great british wheather it cant be trusted but the gent is not comin to far as he lives in suffolk so not to big a journey an some other want to see her but again getting them to understand that she may not go ethier as the rds around here have pot holes an are not great if i can get her there whole i think it will be a miricle but this will not happen for at least another yr so plenty of time an ive also got to make up her carry cradles an they are big an will take a month or so but will do this in the summer if we get one lol chris :-))
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Post by: Rob47 on March 05, 2022, 03:10:47 pm
Hi Chris, all four Wessex/ Seak Kin fitted in the hangar, otherwise not much point in having it, mind you it was a tight fit {-) image show how much space a Sea king takes up Bob
HI Dave yea the hanger is a fair size just measured it an its 13 inches long an nr 10 inches wide but i dont think the got all four seakings in their just three an one standing out on the flight deck an teid down in rough weather but i'll say this the blooming thing is made as light as possible but is stil feels heavy but i do need a fair amount of wheight anyway to get her down in the water
an im thinking of fitting them steel half x half inch counter weights on her keel while i can still turn her upside down easy yes be more weight to lift but if i wait till shes finished an then try an fit it then i'll damage the railind on the main deck an if its not needed then i can easily just unscrew them an remove them but when she finenally goes for her maiden voyage their will be a lot of exspreimenting an ive may have a chap on anther site who wants to see her an he says he will video her an put it on utube as he has an account on it so see what an how she progress through this yr but tonight i loaded up all the batts an all S/S AN GAVE HER A RUN AN IT WENT ALL OK so looking good as at the moment im now wireing in helicopter power wires to go up to the flight deck ATB
CHRIS
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Post by: frogman3 on March 05, 2022, 07:26:21 pm
HI Bob cheers for pic an on the stern that round thing is that a light ? an hope your modeling is goin well an you both as well as can be chris :-))
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Post by: Sealord on March 09, 2022, 05:15:31 pm
Hi mate, as you can see i've made it onto the site. im going to try and publish on here the pictures of my Avenger being refurbished. we'll have to see how it goes.... {-)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 09, 2022, 07:01:30 pm
HI M8 YEA SEE you made it here then now if you want to post pics of avenger i use IMGBB hosting site an its free but some charge so up to you chris :-))
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Post by: Rob47 on March 09, 2022, 09:31:43 pm
Hi mate, as you can see i've made it onto the site. im going to try and publish on here the pictures of my Avenger being refurbished. we'll have to see how it goes.... {-)
The site method of publishing images is easy and its FREE
Bob
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Post by: Capt Podge on March 09, 2022, 10:35:47 pm
It's great to see how much progress you've made since I last looked in. your doing a splendid job Chris and having the wife onboard to help when needed - big bonus O0
appreciate all the updates as well Chris. :-))
Ray.
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Post by: frogman3 on March 10, 2022, 08:47:13 am
The site method of publishing images is easy and its FREE
Bob
HI Bob well my laptop wont do it thats as i live in a low megabyte area thats why i do link pics but if my m8 sealord wants to or can load his pics through the site all well an good but up to him ATB Chris
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Post by: frogman3 on March 10, 2022, 09:16:03 am
It's great to see how much progress you've made since I last looked in. your doing a splendid job Chris and having the wife onboard to help when needed - big bonus O0
appreciate all the updates as well Chris. :-))
Ray.
HI Ray nice to see you an yes tiger is comin on with jen's help she is my apprentice lol an hope to fit on some new link pics tonight of what i have just been doin on tiger an glad you like the progress as its getting a complex model just got to hope i dont have a power shortage with all these working features an thanks for lookin in Ray much appreacaited ATB chris :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 10, 2022, 08:49:20 pm
HI ALL a few more linkpics on whats happening on her an here ive made up a unit to power my seaking if i can build it all workin https://ibb.co/XtDNBh6
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 10, 2022, 08:53:44 pm
an here under the flightdeck ive fitted coppper foil tape to take power from the pickup plug an the to the gold pickup pins when i fit them an they are all different voltage 12v - 6v - an 3v https://ibb.co/LPQBVnC
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 10, 2022, 08:56:32 pm
but had to leavethat for the time bein as i forgot about the flightdeck marking so thats what in the pic here ive just drawn them out https://ibb.co/zsKQbP5
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Post by: frogman3 on March 10, 2022, 08:58:35 pm
an here ive started to cut out the tamyia masking tape https://ibb.co/YPfhBgQ
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 10, 2022, 09:00:45 pm
an just as well no shakes thank goodness as they have cut out fairly good https://ibb.co/W3tK7TT
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Post by: frogman3 on March 10, 2022, 09:02:08 pm
an pinted white not perfect but best i can do https://ibb.co/sbz2Tqd
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 10, 2022, 09:09:08 pm
an while this paint was drying i thought what else can i do so i fitted on them keel half inch by half inch steel sqaure rod as these are bolted on to the keel an if not needed then i can simply unscrew them an remove but i think they will be needed an they look nice an neat so im pleased altough its a bit heavyier now to lift but should keep her stable on the wet stuff :-)) https://ibb.co/t8QZpRT
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Post by: frogman3 on March 10, 2022, 09:11:00 pm
an the stern section keel weights all fitted on https://ibb.co/zrTHQhp (https://ibb.co/zrTHQhp) ALL BEST ALL Chris
(https://i.ibb.co/qd3F7MK/IMG-7000.jpg)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Capt Podge on March 10, 2022, 09:28:45 pm
Hi again Chris, that's a pretty good idea of how to achieve those deck markings and thanks for putting the writing next to the copper tape - it makes it much easier to see how you're dealing with the different voltages for the helo lights and motors - it's all making sense to me now. Great work :-))
Ray.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 10, 2022, 09:44:00 pm
Hi again Chris, that's a pretty good idea of how to achieve those deck markings and thanks for putting the writing next to the copper tape - it makes it much easier to see how you're dealing with the different voltages for the helo lights and motors - it's all making sense to me now. Great work :-))
Ray.
HI Ray glad you like the deck marking i was just glad i dint get the shakes as this seems to happen to me when im trying to hard an i can feel the ole ticker goin like the clappers so had a rest to calm down an listen to some sixties music an then done that copper foil tape for the seaking just got to hope i can build it as its a weak kit so will have to strengen it an glad it makes sence to you so im not wasteing my time an thanks for looking in :-)) chris
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 13, 2022, 09:24:23 am
HI ALL WELL ive just taped an old seaking kit togeather so i can see where to fit the gold eletric pickup pins an sockets that will fit into the flightdeck here top veiw of seaking https://ibb.co/sgwN59n
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 13, 2022, 09:32:03 am
an side view an these seaking kits are very weak kits to fit in the gold eletric pickup pins as they are sprung loaded so a tight fit so i will have to strenghten the choppers outer undercart so they dont just snap off when pushing the eletric pins into the flightdeck gold sockets to give power to the lights an motors https://ibb.co/2dKKShc (https://ibb.co/2dKKShc) :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 13, 2022, 09:39:57 am
An i was not happy with these montrics vipers ESC so i have taken them out an replaced them with these two eletronize ESC an now the motors run lovely an i can also make it to cut power to the back motors by R/C an run on economy power just two props hopefully but if them two props are not powerfull enough then i can easily switch back to four props goin https://ibb.co/9ghn709
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on March 13, 2022, 09:06:43 pm
an side view an these seaking kits are very weak kits to fit in the gold eletric pickup pins as they are sprung loaded so a tight fit so i will have to strenghten the choppers outer undercart so they dont just snap off when pushing the eletric pins into the flightdeck gold sockets to give power to the lights an motors https://ibb.co/2dKKShc (https://ibb.co/2dKKShc) :-))
Chris, instead of those chunk large pins why not use small diamet brass tube and rod, much tider and easy to concela. Just a thought. Bob
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Post by: frogman3 on March 13, 2022, 10:03:51 pm
Chris, instead of those chunk large pins why not use small diamet brass tube and rod, much tider and easy to concela. Just a thought. Bob
HI Bob regards the gold pick up pins i think the pic makes them look a lot bigger than they realy are as they are only 3 mm at their widest point an ive used these before an they work great hope you both are as well as can be ATB Chris an jen :-))
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Post by: Sealord on March 14, 2022, 08:04:14 pm
hi mate, the keel weights looking good, wont really be noticeable when boat is upright, lets hope it stays that way when she's launched... {-)
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Post by: frogman3 on March 14, 2022, 08:45:30 pm
hi mate, the keel weights looking good, wont really be noticeable when boat is upright, lets hope it stays that way when she's launched... {-)
HI MR Sealord im sure she 'll be ok as them keel wheight dont half wheigh in just got to hope i can lift her when done an nice to see you on here an when are you gonna do yor avenger thread ? the ole m8 :-))
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Post by: ballastanksian on March 14, 2022, 09:36:30 pm
ballastanksian (https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=14161) chris :-))
Hi matey, It is here in Wiki. I appreciate that Wiki gets a little stick about accuracy etc, but it does have a list of sources and does say when a statement has no source/proof, so if it smells fishy check the bottom as it might give you the original source.
Here: [size=78%]HMS Tiger (C20) - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Tiger_(C20))[/size]
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Post by: ballastanksian on March 14, 2022, 09:44:37 pm
an side view an these seaking kits are very weak kits to fit in the gold eletric pickup pins as they are sprung loaded so a tight fit so i will have to strenghten the choppers outer undercart so they dont just snap off when pushing the eletric pins into the flightdeck gold sockets to give power to the lights an motors https://ibb.co/2dKKShc (https://ibb.co/2dKKShc) :-))
Chris, you might want to ask Nick whether that tape is right for assembling fuselages. Some might not be correct {-)
Your work is looking fab. I saw that copper tape being used by someone at my old club and it worked well. He was running all sorts of gizmos through his and so can say your system should be just as effective with the tape. I think he had some sort of pad arrangement to make sure the tape and contacts always touched.
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Post by: frogman3 on March 14, 2022, 11:10:03 pm
Hi matey, It is here in Wiki. I appreciate that Wiki gets a little stick about accuracy etc, but it does have a list of sources and does say when a statement has no source/proof, so if it smells fishy check the bottom as it might give you the original source.
Here: [size=78%]HMS Tiger (C20) - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Tiger_(C20))[/size]
HI MANY THANKS for the link to the tiger info a yes i had a good read an leanred a bit cheers chris
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Post by: frogman3 on March 14, 2022, 11:14:23 pm
Chris, you might want to ask Nick whether that tape is right for assembling fuselages. Some might not be correct {-)
Your work is looking fab. I saw that copper tape being used by someone at my old club and it worked well. He was running all sorts of gizmos through his and so can say your system should be just as effective with the tape. I think he had some sort of pad arrangement to make sure the tape and contacts always touched.
AN HI again glad you like her an yes that copper foil tape is very good i put it under my nr 9ft flightdeck on my nimitz to light up all the leds an it worked great chris :-))
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Post by: frogman3 on March 16, 2022, 08:30:30 pm
HI allanother small update as done the flight deck lighting an ive treid to keep the wires as neat an tidy as possible https://ibb.co/9TkFpqj
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Post by: frogman3 on March 16, 2022, 08:44:04 pm
an here the flight deck lights an proberly not the correct lights but all i had
https://ibb.co/qBTkccV
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Post by: frogman3 on March 16, 2022, 08:45:41 pm
an two halfs of the seaking fusalarge https://ibb.co/MPQHTwt
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Post by: frogman3 on March 16, 2022, 08:48:31 pm
Now here im goin to try an fit the top part of the rotar to the tiny motoran gearbox an it does about 20 rpm https://ibb.co/87MSdPW chris
(https://i.ibb.co/2kqfscD/IMG-7024.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on March 22, 2022, 07:49:47 am
HI ALL well ive been working on that seaklng chopper to get the motor fitted in an the main rotars to turn an here a shot of the main rotar head now fitted to the motor shaft by a mini collet with a allen screw into tighten on the motor shaft https://ibb.co/HhKCVw6
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Post by: frogman3 on March 22, 2022, 07:52:50 am
AN Here now ive just fitted in the rotar blades to see how they fit an they look ok https://ibb.co/s5qfP8N (https://ibb.co/s5qfP8N)
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Post by: frogman3 on March 22, 2022, 07:58:21 am
HERE the motor is now fitted into the seaking's main fusalarge an just as well that this seaking kit comes with a seperate bottom so when i fitted the two havles of the fusalarge togeather i can go up through the bottom to work on it :-)) https://ibb.co/4mynb4k
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Post by: frogman3 on March 22, 2022, 08:08:40 am
AN HERE now ive fired up the motor an the rotars all goin fine an i ran it for 20 mins an it ran ok so im pleased an it ran at about 40 rpm https://ibb.co/GW9xqW6 (https://ibb.co/GW9xqW6) next ive to fit a tiny 3v motor in the tail to work the rear tail rotar an fit red flashing strobe lights but got to wait till these motors turn up as i oreded some off ebay
chris :-))
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Post by: frogman3 on March 22, 2022, 10:44:20 am
AN HERE A SHOT of the chopper in static state after running for 20 mins so to let the motor cool down https://ibb.co/0BJ804z
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Post by: Capt Podge on March 22, 2022, 12:01:26 pm
That's looking good Chris and it's good to see that you've managed to sort out the image hosting again. Hope them mini motors arrive soon and you can get the tail rotor running ok.
Ray.
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Post by: frogman3 on March 22, 2022, 06:33:25 pm
That's looking good Chris and it's good to see that you've managed to sort out the image hosting again. Hope them mini motors arrive soon and you can get the tail rotor running ok.
Ray.
HI Ray yes im pleased with how things are progressin as this seaking is gonna be a difficult build as the plastic is not stronge so i'll have to strenthen it an yes i hope them mini motors arrive before to long as im hopeing to have it so that the tail section on the chopper will swing round LIKE THE REAL CHOPPER DOES if i fit it with a tiny hindge so the tail rotars wont get broke in transport an pc still playin up so got to hope i can still post pics cheers Ray for stoppin an lookin at the build much appreacaited ATB CHRIS
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Post by: Sealord on March 24, 2022, 05:24:52 pm
Hi Mate, all looking good with the heli,,only 3 left to do.. :-)) enjoy....
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Post by: frogman3 on March 24, 2022, 06:17:34 pm
Hi Mate, all looking good with the heli,,only 3 left to do.. :-)) enjoy....
HI MR SEALORD yes only 3 more to build but as they wont be workins ones so they will build in a couple days so they easy each one but this motorised one is gonna be difficult as im strivin to get a smaller motor as possible to fit in the tail to work the tail rotar so waiting for some comin off ebay an when will you be putting on your avenger thread ? the ole m8
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Post by: Rob47 on March 24, 2022, 06:48:30 pm
HI Bob yes brilliant pic many thanks as i hope to have my seaking rear tail rotoar swing round to proteck the rear rortars an i will use a tiny dolls house hinge that i have used on my water tight doors an they work ok just got to make it so that all six wires that go to the tail rotars will fold in an out ok hope you both as well as can be PS BOB have you any pics of the rear of the tail as i think there is a red A/C strobe on the tail top an on the rear a back faceing white light as thats what im gonna fit on my chopper :-)) chris
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Post by: Rob47 on March 24, 2022, 10:42:02 pm
Glad to help Chris, we both were playing with Merlin and Wildcats on Tuesday, great day out with the FAA
Bob
HI AGAIN Bob really glad you an judi had a good day out as thats why we are a bit depressed as around here where i live there is nothing as they have closed up RAF COLTISHALL >>:-( <*< <:( an now we dont even see an military planes how we used to which is sad an to far for me to drive to yoeinton sorry cant spell it Chris
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Post by: frogman3 on March 28, 2022, 05:30:58 pm
HI GUYS well here is a little more on the working seaking helo an i wanted to have the main door open an shut so i set about makin this work had to do a bit of filein down but it all came up good an works ok an i fitted a bit of 2x 2mm channel runners to the fusealarge for the door to slide in an here its closed https://ibb.co/BsJgLk8
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Post by: frogman3 on March 28, 2022, 05:33:24 pm
an now open as im hopein to fit some crew figures in here with a 2mm weak white led to illulimnate the cabin https://ibb.co/rH6dzkW
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Post by: frogman3 on March 28, 2022, 05:35:32 pm
an next up i want to have the chopper lit up so ive fitted in the white 2mm led for landing lights https://ibb.co/9gBNY3Y
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Post by: frogman3 on March 28, 2022, 05:41:40 pm
AN then i thought hang on a minute as id better paint the interior a dark matt green so thats what have done https://ibb.co/qJdGprj
an when i get the tiny eletric motors i will hope to fit in the tail to make the rear tail rotars spin round an anouther indea ive got is to fit a tiny hinge in tail so that the tail plane will swing round like the real one so that the rotars wont get broke in transport to an back from the pond chris :-))
(https://i.ibb.co/mNGs4cT/IMG-7056.jpg)
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Post by: Capt Podge on March 28, 2022, 06:36:27 pm
Hi Chris, ref the hinged tail section - is that because it hangs over the stern when it's extended?
You've got some brilliant ideas for this model and it all adds to the realism.
This is one fantastic build to follow - lovely job. :-))
Ray.
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Post by: frogman3 on March 28, 2022, 07:30:33 pm
Hi Chris, ref the hinged tail section - is that because it hangs over the stern when it's extended?
You've got some brilliant ideas for this model and it all adds to the realism.
This is one fantastic build to follow - lovely job. :-))
Ray.
HI RAY well regards the hinged tail section no it wont be over hanging on tiger as it will be in the flight take off postion its just that as the real chopper does that i thought well i would like to add that to my model an another reason i want the tail section to swing back is it will proteck the tail rortars in tranport
an yes ive goin to try out my ideas as i like the realism with lights as it brings the model to life rather than just a static as i lit an have my melin goin on my norfolk an here it is but it runs both rotars will go lovley https://ibb.co/qmLMXg7
AN Ray im glad you are likeing the build so far but still a lot to do on her ATB Chris
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Post by: ballastanksian on March 28, 2022, 08:10:13 pm
Crikey Chris! Motorising the Sea king is enough and then you go another two levels illuminating and adding a hinge to the tail!
This model will be amazing (well it already is) when completed. A real labour of love.
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Post by: frogman3 on March 28, 2022, 08:38:32 pm
[/size]ballastanksian (https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=14161) hi well its not built yet as still a lot can go wrong but yes hopefully my ideas will work out on this seaking as they did on my merlin an yes im really enjoying building this whole ship an the chopper thanks for lookin in on the build :-)) chris [/size][/font][/size][/color]
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Post by: frogman3 on April 05, 2022, 07:12:20 pm
HI All well still working on the seaking helo to get it all working an for a dragon kit not a good fit an i think its goin to be a devil to fit togeather but will see when i come to it an here fit some of the insides https://ibb.co/ggm17N0
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Post by: frogman3 on April 05, 2022, 07:14:16 pm
next up ive painted an fitted in the pilots hopefully right colours https://ibb.co/hHpFLLq
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Post by: frogman3 on April 05, 2022, 07:23:29 pm
An i wanted to fit weak white lights in side to light up the pilots an so did so https://ibb.co/BBjB3C9
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Post by: frogman3 on April 05, 2022, 07:30:08 pm
here ive also fitted a light inside the main fualarge so it will light some crew figures that im goin to fit in the chopper next job is fitting in he gold pickup pins an thats goin to be ver awkward an trying to get all the wires soldered but can make up the tail rotar section yet till the tiny 3 v motors come an im goin to try an make it hinge around like the real chopper an ive made the ront door hinge down with the steps on
chris :-)) https://ibb.co/b5mvTKZ
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Post by: Dan on April 05, 2022, 10:02:09 pm
Hi Chris, just managed to catch up on your build! Fantastic work! Your Heli has more working parts than my campbeltown! I'm looking forward to seeing how you construct the folding tail. Will your tail blades rotate too?
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Post by: frogman3 on April 05, 2022, 10:45:16 pm
Hi Chris, just managed to catch up on your build! Fantastic work! Your Heli has more working parts than my campbeltown! I'm looking forward to seeing how you construct the folding tail. Will your tail blades rotate too?
HI Dan yes helo is comin on an yes the tail rotar should work like my merlin helo does all im waiting for is the small 3v motors with a 3'2 mm thick motor an then i will drill out the tail an fit the motor in an the red flashing 2 mm led on the tail top an a white led in the rear of the tail i think it is an then a hinge fitted an by rights it should swing round like its folded up for storage in hanger but also to stop the rotor blades getting bustered when in transport an any more work done on your ship ? as i keep looking or has work got in the way ? ATB Dan chris :-))
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Post by: Backerther on April 06, 2022, 09:49:49 am
Hi Chris; I also used to adopt mini-motor seen in the pics for my two Seafire fighters for 1/96 Fencer. I bought them at Akihabara, Tokyo at around ￥200 each. :-))
Kiyo
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Post by: frogman3 on April 06, 2022, 12:18:55 pm
Hi Chris; I also used to adopt mini-motor seen in the pics for my two Seafire fighters for 1/96 Fencer. I bought them at Akihabara, Tokyo at around ￥200 each. :-))
Kiyo
YES Kiyo thats the motors i have sent for but i see yours are 4 mm in diameter but the ones i have sent for are smaller still at 3'2 mm dimameter so the smaller they are the easyier they are to fit in the tail as a seakings tail is very thin so even with these smaller motors i'll stilll have to use filler to fair them in so not to look to lumpy but will see when they come ATB to you Sir an keep on boating an we are havin a gala day up at norwich pond on aprill 24th so im praying for nice wheather as there normally quite a few nice big models up there chris
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Post by: Dan on April 06, 2022, 06:40:04 pm
HI Dan yes helo is comin on an yes the tail rotar should work like my merlin helo does all im waiting for is the small 3v motors with a 3'2 mm thick motor an then i will drill out the tail an fit the motor in an the red flashing 2 mm led on the tail top an a white led in the rear of the tail i think it is an then a hinge fitted an by rights it should swing round like its folded up for storage in hanger but also to stop the rotor blades getting bustered when in transport an any more work done on your ship ? as i keep looking or has work got in the way ? ATB Dan chris :-))
That'll look great Chris! Are they powered from batteries inside the hull of the ship or will you fit a small battery somewhere inside the Heli? Campbeltown is coming on very slowly. Work and family life have slowed progress, I'm still working my way through the stanchions but I'm lucky if I spend a hour a week on it at the moment unfortunately.
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Post by: frogman3 on April 06, 2022, 07:48:26 pm
That'll look great Chris! Are they powered from batteries inside the hull of the ship or will you fit a small battery somewhere inside the Heli? Campbeltown is coming on very slowly. Work and family life have slowed progress, I'm still working my way through the stanchions but I'm lucky if I spend a hour a week on it at the moment unfortunately.
HI DAN yes the helis motors are powered from inside the ships big 12 amp hr batt that drives the main motors but there is a voltage reducer fittied in the circut to the heli motors to reduce the power from 12 v down to 3v an they pick up the power from gold pick up pins fitted into the flight deck an the helicopter can still be lifted off for transport i'll show how small the motor is for the tail rotor when i can take some pics of them as they only arrived today an sorry to hear you dont get time to work on your ship but a little is better than none atb chris
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Post by: frogman3 on April 09, 2022, 06:16:12 am
HI ALL well a bit more on the helo as ive got a dragon helo kit but its a terrible fit so had to do a bit of filling with plasticard an plenty of fileing down an sandaing but have now got the two float outriggers fitted togeather an red an green 2mm leds lights for nav lights fitted in https://ibb.co/02Fj8wM
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Post by: frogman3 on April 09, 2022, 06:18:42 am
next up is the gold an brass 2mm eletric pickup pins an sockets https://ibb.co/bmw2q8t
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Post by: frogman3 on April 09, 2022, 06:20:51 am
an here they are fitted with their wires to take power to the motors and lights https://ibb.co/PwfbNVY (https://ibb.co/PwfbNVY)
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Post by: frogman3 on April 09, 2022, 06:21:39 am
https://ibb.co/w6SpSY7
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Post by: frogman3 on April 09, 2022, 06:24:31 am
an ive now drilled the holes in the fusalage to take the wireing an its now bein pushed into postion to be gluded to the fusalarge https://ibb.co/Dfsp1jn
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Post by: frogman3 on April 09, 2022, 06:26:20 am
an fitted but got to make sure they are fairly straight regards fusalarge https://ibb.co/5jZ0Zhc
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Post by: frogman3 on April 09, 2022, 06:30:28 am
an last pic for today till i can do more an the outriggers look fairly good so can press on on the other side as these eletric pickup pins are for the lights the other side will be for motors chris https://ibb.co/d2MLNDW
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Post by: Backerther on April 09, 2022, 11:31:02 am
Hi Chris; Your onboard heli is well-craftsmanship and looks complicated from the structure of heli like to install neatly the wiring work in the fuselage.!! :-)) While mine was rather simple to work in the 1/100(not 1/96) Super-marine Sea fire fighter. :embarrassed: 1;Only set a mini-motor to spin the props directly 2/3;And modified the landing gears to get them a switch for spinning the props 4; Push-down is ON while a pull-up a bit like this is OFF position and could be removed if necessary. 5;The plane was pushed down to the deck for taking-off with spinning the props and the flaps were fully down as well. {-) And wheels were just off the deck and afloat !! {-) {-) I have set 2 prop-spinning fighters,the other one is waiting for take-off with spinning the props at the rear deck. :D Looking forward to your refined lighting and rotor-spinning helicopter on the deck.!! :-))
Kiyo
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Post by: ballastanksian on April 09, 2022, 11:46:57 am
Great ideas from both of you for hiding things like power and support structures! Not easy on diddy models even with minute motors etc.
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Post by: JimG on April 09, 2022, 12:35:27 pm
5;The plane was pushed down to the deck for taking-off with spinning the props and the flaps were fully down as well. {-) And wheels were just off the deck and afloat !! {-) {-) I have set 2 prop-spinning fighters,the other one is waiting for take-off with spinning the props at the rear deck. :D
Kiyo
Just a little criticism on your setup. A seafire would not take off with the flaps full down, this was a landing setup and would produce too much drag on take off. As a Spitfire's flaps had only two settings, full up and full down they had to use wooden wedges to hold the flap mid way for take off. The procedure was to set the flaps full down, insert the wedge then set flaps up. The wedge would stop the flap at take off position, after take off and once speed had buillt up then flaps down was momentarily selected, the wedge would drop out and flaps would then go to up for normal flying. Jim
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Post by: frogman3 on April 09, 2022, 07:52:04 pm
HI Kiyo some nice work on your sefires an they look great on take off an we both have the same ideas to get the plane or helo working as you like me like a challange to try an get things working well done Sir an me im still working on my seaking as now my mini motors have turned up in post an i was amazed how small they are as i got 5 of them for only £2.95 an they are only 3mm withd an 5 mm long so one should fit in the tail of the seaking to work the tail rotor ok an i want to fit in a micro hinge so the tail will fold round just like the real thing but will see on that ATB Chris :-))
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Post by: frogman3 on April 09, 2022, 07:55:44 pm
Great ideas from both of you for hiding things like power and support structures! Not easy on diddy models even with minute motors etc.
YES THANKS we do try an i try an get things working an if i can as it brings the model to life just like Kiyo has done an thanks for lookin in chris b :-)) [size=78%] [/size]
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Post by: Backerther on April 10, 2022, 01:49:06 am
Hi Jim G; Glad to have your precious ,informative and unexpected content of comment on my flaps set up of the Seafire.. I have long been thinking that a carrier based war bird is to lay the flaps out to gain as much lift and as possible on the short deck of the carrier whenever they take off as seen in the pics below.
But,anyhow the Sea fire is an exception different from other warbirds ..I have know the Seafire case with your advice.!
Kiyo
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Post by: Backerther on April 10, 2022, 03:30:17 am
YES THANKS we do try an i try an get things working an if i can as it brings the model to life just like Kiyo has done an thanks for lookin in chris b :-))
Thanks a lot for your comments and interests on my posting,Chris and ballastanksian. A warship to load something like aircrafts is rather interesting and enjoyable to build while takes additional time and works to complete in exchange for the awesome result and scale realism instead. :-))
Kiyo
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Post by: frogman3 on April 10, 2022, 07:24:18 am
Thanks a lot for your comments and interests on my posting,Chris and ballastanksian. A warship to load something like aircrafts is rather interesting and enjoyable to build while takes additional time and works to complete in exchange for the awesome result and scale realism instead. :-))
Kiyo
HI KIYO yes you are right its better to have things workings if you can rather than just static as you say it makes the modeling more instresting an challenging an the model itself is more instresting as ive found out the general public loved to see my radars all 3 working on my norfolk an to see an listen to the gun turning an battle alarm whooping an to see the merlin heicopter goin with both main rotars an tail rotars an to see it all the lights on it https://ibb.co/qmLMXg7 (https://ibb.co/qmLMXg7)
an ready for take off https://ibb.co/RCBp6cv (https://ibb.co/RCBp6cv)
as a lot of the general public really thought it would an ive lost count of the people videoin it on their phones an they loved it an gave very nice comments more so the women an children than the men but in general they all like it an for my wife jen an i it makes a fanstastic day out as takin norfolk it up norwich pond again on aprill 24th for a garla day just got to hope the wheather is sunny an warm so looking forward to the day all best to you Kiyo an happy modeling :-)) chris
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Backerther on April 10, 2022, 08:56:57 am
Hi Chris; I do completely understand your present feeling toward 24th this month at Norwich.!! O0 And I wish you a best weather should come true for the day when many Rc boaters should come together with their boastful ships and boats as well as genera public who might be interested in the hobby very much!! :-)) By the way, it has become around 26 degrees C here in Tokyo today already and the day over 25 degrees C is defined as a summer day by our Meteorological Agency,which temperature is abnormal for this season originally but not so unusual in the past decade here in Tokyo. :embarrassed: Instead,I could have more chances to enjoy RC boating by the enlarged summer time.! :-)) :-)) Your heli looks so gorgeous and fantastic which will attract many general publics especially at night. Your Jen will play a role of camera woman on the day like my wife? {-) %%
Looking forward to seeing many pics of the day
Kiyo
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on April 10, 2022, 10:30:21 am
Hi Jim G; Glad to have your precious ,informative and unexpected content of comment on my flaps set up of the Seafire.. I have long been thinking that a carrier based war bird is to lay the flaps out to gain as much lift and as possible on the short deck of the carrier whenever they take off as seen in the pics below.
But,anyhow the Sea fire is an exception different from other warbirds ..I have know the Seafire case with your advice.!
Kiyo
Generally flaps on an aircraft have two functions depending on their position. When partially open they provide extra lift for take off by altering the airfoil shape at their position. When fully open any extra lift is counteracted by the extra drag they produce by being at a higher angle to the airflow, this is then used on landing to reduce the airspeed and the landing run. This drag often allows them to come in at a steeper angle on landing without raching too high a speed, a good example is the Khe San approach by military transports. A Spitfire is a low drag airframe so loses speed for landing slowly, the full flap allows it to use shorter runways. I see this when I fly my turbine aircraft which are all fitted with flaps. I may use partial flaps on takeoff on calmer days when there is little wind down the runway. On landing I need to use full flap to slow the plane down enough for landing, the drag from the flap is enough that I generally have to increase the throttle to maintain flying speed. I normally fly from a grass runway with only an occasional use of a full size tarmac runway so have limited runway length. Jim
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 10, 2022, 12:47:31 pm
CHEERS Bob but bit late now as the ship is built but thanks for the info hope you both as well as can be ATB to you sir PS Bob could you please give me a link to that chap mike site with his eletroins gun fire sound unit as i cant find it chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on April 10, 2022, 05:04:42 pm
Chris just thought you might like it, never have to much data Model Radio Workshop is what you need to search for
Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 10, 2022, 08:21:38 pm
Generally flaps on an aircraft have two functions depending on their position. When partially open they provide extra lift for take off by altering the airfoil shape at their position. When fully open any extra lift is counteracted by the extra drag they produce by being at a higher angle to the airflow, this is then used on landing to reduce the airspeed and the landing run. This drag often allows them to come in at a steeper angle on landing without raching too high a speed, a good example is the Khe San approach by military transports. A Spitfire is a low drag airframe so loses speed for landing slowly, the full flap allows it to use shorter runways. I see this when I fly my turbine aircraft which are all fitted with flaps. I may use partial flaps on takeoff on calmer days when there is little wind down the runway. On landing I need to use full flap to slow the plane down enough for landing, the drag from the flap is enough that I generally have to increase the throttle to maintain flying speed. I normally fly from a grass runway with only an occasional use of a full size tarmac runway so have limited runway length. Jim
You are quite correct to understand the effectiveness of the flap.! I used to study hard the effectiveness of it before starting to build RC scale planes with flaps which flaps were "must" to enjoy the scale like flying as well as safe and secure landings. I made it a practise to get the flaps a bit down for secure take-offs in my local so narrow a flying "baseball ground"partly with grass. {-) :-)) 1;A trainer of the flaps fully down 2;Piper Cherokee with the flaps fully down 3;1/7 Focke-wulf D-9 "Dora" at rest 4;Front 1/8 FA-18 "Hornet"is equipped with flaps which are indispensable to land. Kiyo
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 11, 2022, 06:46:22 am
HI Kiyo some very nice planes there an i really like the F/W 190 BUT could you start your own thread on this as this is my tiger thread ATB Chris :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: JimG on April 11, 2022, 11:59:57 am
Sorry Chris for taking some of the thread away from your excellent Tiger. Jim
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 11, 2022, 12:10:50 pm
Sorry Chris for taking some of the thread away from your excellent Tiger. Jim
THATS OK Jim its just that it was getting a little out of hand :-)) CHEERS have a nice day because it is nice an sunny here an jen has gone for a walk out in the fresh air but its a little to fresh for me so im stayin in an modeling ATB to you Sir chris b
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Backerther on April 11, 2022, 12:49:11 pm
Hi Chris;
I'm awfully sorry for our postings out of main theme. <:(
Kiyo
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 11, 2022, 01:56:09 pm
I'm awfully sorry for our postings out of main theme. <:(
Kiyo
HI Kiyo dont worry about it no problem an that F/W 190 looks a super plane i built one about 50 years ago an it was a controll line job as could not afford R/C THEN in them days ATB to you also Sir :-)) chris b
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 13, 2022, 07:59:06 pm
ANYWAY meanwhile back on the helo build ive just got my tiny motor to work my tail rotator an it only about 3mm by about 6mm so it should fit it the tail section of my seaking https://ibb.co/wBCDRSK
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 13, 2022, 08:01:06 pm
an it does lovely fit https://ibb.co/LpwpQLW
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 13, 2022, 08:01:53 pm
https://ibb.co/hVGhpXj
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 13, 2022, 08:04:27 pm
an here its all wired in an the red stobe flashing led is fitted an a white tail light i think they have https://ibb.co/Bs4fvRr
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 13, 2022, 08:06:16 pm
here nxt the tails two halfs goin togeather an hinge fitted https://ibb.co/KjV8VWk
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 13, 2022, 08:08:25 pm
an yes the tiny motor spun the tail rotor like a oneoh https://ibb.co/6ZC1tMx
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 13, 2022, 08:11:20 pm
here all the fusalarge bit have got to fit togeather an im dreading this as it is not a good fit so see how it goes https://ibb.co/2vHzc2p
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 13, 2022, 08:12:04 pm
https://ibb.co/2gfW50m
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 13, 2022, 08:14:17 pm
an both motors go so great i can press on https://ibb.co/86nPwX6
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 13, 2022, 08:17:07 pm
but the hinge would not go all the way back only about 60% but at least the tail rotars are out of the way an should not get broken :-)) https://ibb.co/7Rm6XFM
(https://i.ibb.co/txrW45j/IMG-7205.jpg)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: ballastanksian on April 13, 2022, 11:21:48 pm
I salute the amount of work you have put into such a small area!
Looks great :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 14, 2022, 07:21:17 am
I salute the amount of work you have put into such a small area!
Looks great :-))
MANY THANKS an yes im hopeing to get this seaking all working but as you say its so tiny an fragile got to be carefull how i handle it as it will break easy an to day ive got to wire up all the lights an then after that to try an fit it all togeather but the kit is a bad fit so see how we go on that many thanks for your salute SIR chris :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Tworrs on April 16, 2022, 04:44:24 am
It just gets better all the time Chris.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 16, 2022, 09:50:30 am
Nice work on the Sea King Chris. Would love to see a video posted of the finished product when possible. Nige
HI Nige WELL i cant do a vid im afraid but ive gent freind who lives in the next countiey called suffolk an who is on another forum has told me that he want to see tiger sail an seaking goin an he says he has an account with utube so he says he will come an video it all goin when she's saling but my main problem will be gettin the ship up the pond without breaking it as my car is a tubo sports injection an bein a sports its got a hard suppenshion on it so i feel every bump in the rd an british rds are terribele so she may have probs by the time i get her to the pond as its over 20 miles trip to the pond an lots of bumpind about so im gonna fit cushions jens best but she dont know it yet lol to see if that helps keep tiger in a goin condition but this will be in about 2 yrs time as there is still a heck of a lot to do on tiger but thank you for your nice comment an lookin in on the build ATB to you Sir chris :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on April 18, 2022, 09:24:05 pm
MANY THANKS an yes im hopeing to get this seaking all working but as you say its so tiny an fragile got to be carefull how i handle it as it will break easy an to day ive got to wire up all the lights an then after that to try an fit it all togeather but the kit is a bad fit so see how we go on that many thanks for your salute SIR chris :-))
LOL thats not tiny {-) {-) wait till I do my 1/144 ones Chris, thats tiny.
Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: ballastanksian on April 18, 2022, 09:31:55 pm
Thinking about your hard ride issues for Tiger, If you sit the hull on a medium grade of foam then it should take the worst of the jolts creating a softer ride. Perhaps sitting the hull halves on foam blocks rather than the common lining of thin rubber gasket or insulation strip on our wooden cradles?
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 18, 2022, 10:42:03 pm
Thinking about your hard ride issues for Tiger, If you sit the hull on a medium grade of foam then it should take the worst of the jolts creating a softer ride. Perhaps sitting the hull halves on foam blocks rather than the common lining of thin rubber gasket or insulation strip on our wooden cradles?
cheers for that i'll have a think about this chrisb :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on April 19, 2022, 01:24:08 pm
HI Bob yes if they work ok then great stuff as its the same scale as my nimitz as that was 1/144 an i went over to see Paul hiat over the wkend as he invited us over to see his tiger that he is converting into a gun cruiser an he's doin very nice work indeed should be a cracker of a model when he has finished it an mine is still at least 2yrs to go before she takes a dip lol hope you an judi are as well as can be as we r ALL THE BEST chris an jen :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 23, 2022, 07:13:46 pm
HI ALL WELL still building that seaking helo as its crap kit an nothing fits >>:-( <*< so thats a battle in itself >>:-( <*< https://ibb.co/c264jsX
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 23, 2022, 07:14:28 pm
https://ibb.co/rdQ4QDQ
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 23, 2022, 07:17:23 pm
an here the red tube moves in an out of the fusalarge to allow the tail section to swing round https://ibb.co/bsPXQ3v
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 23, 2022, 07:18:09 pm
https://ibb.co/80VWQfc
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 23, 2022, 07:19:11 pm
running the motors https://ibb.co/c8xdscX
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 23, 2022, 07:22:07 pm
an as its a crap fit had to clamp it to glue https://ibb.co/0X2jscF
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 23, 2022, 07:24:03 pm
an here at the cockpit can be seen how bad a fit it is https://ibb.co/qx4WqBM
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 23, 2022, 07:25:56 pm
an more gaps to fill this is the worst kit ive ever had https://ibb.co/zQcgtDj
(https://i.ibb.co/WG9XRjq/IMG-7236.jpg)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 23, 2022, 07:27:32 pm
an after a battle its fitted togeather https://ibb.co/HKgpWkj
(https://i.ibb.co/0nJVgdx/IMG-7239.jpg)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: ballastanksian on April 23, 2022, 08:53:24 pm
That is a disappointing fit for a Dragon kit. Was it an early release do you think? I recall early ones were a little less exact fitting, but that is gaping %% Still, you worked your magic on it and she's coming along fine :o)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 23, 2022, 09:26:10 pm
That is a disappointing fit for a Dragon kit. Was it an early release do you think? I recall early ones were a little less exact fitting, but that is gaping %% Still, you worked your magic on it and she's coming along fine :o )
YEA ITS BETTER NOW but i thought dragon were a good kit makers but well as you said ive fixed it so i can now press on an spray paint it in a nice dark blue cheers for stoppin chris :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Tworrs on April 23, 2022, 10:17:27 pm
Great progress Chris, you got there in the end, which is what counts. ;)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on April 24, 2022, 11:43:46 am
Think you must have a very early one there Dragon are top nothch kits normally. Still tail rotor looks good.
Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on April 24, 2022, 05:46:38 pm
Chris Design builders model of ther Tiger Class 3" turret
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: stuart22 on April 24, 2022, 07:30:09 pm
Hi your Heli is coming on great just wondering if you can tell me where you got Your micro motors from please as I am finding it difficult to get the rear blades to turn on my Seaking for my HMS Clyde as that seems to be the only way it will work.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 24, 2022, 08:45:18 pm
Hi your Heli is coming on great just wondering if you can tell me where you got Your micro motors from please as I am finding it difficult to get the rear blades to turn on my Seaking for my HMS Clyde as that seems to be the only way it will work.
HI Stuart 22 well i got my mini motors off ebay just print in your search box ultra mini motor an they will come up you get 5 motors for about £2'95p an free p&p they are about 3mm wide by about 6mm long hows that chris :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: stuart22 on April 26, 2022, 07:43:05 am
:-)) have ordered them.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 26, 2022, 08:16:44 am
HI Stuart well done now can we see some pics of what you are doin with the chopper on here? an they are vibrateing motors for phones but the little bit that vibreates will just slide off the sharft with a flat screwdriver end an then they are ready for use if you have bought the same as me an the little black rubber covers will just slide off chris
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 05, 2022, 09:30:34 pm
HI ALL well ive finished that disater of a seaking chopper an to my amazement it has turned out quite good now for some different angles pics an both rotors go an all nav light an stobe all flash chris firstly though a shot of the underside showing eletrics all done https://ibb.co/D1nPn7n
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 05, 2022, 09:32:24 pm
now some shots of the chopper https://ibb.co/TvFTgY1
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 05, 2022, 09:33:05 pm
https://ibb.co/YjDDZxC
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 05, 2022, 09:33:56 pm
https://ibb.co/FJCVkgD
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 05, 2022, 09:34:56 pm
https://ibb.co/CtMSLJV
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 05, 2022, 09:35:42 pm
https://ibb.co/pxYs1Lx
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 05, 2022, 09:36:46 pm
https://ibb.co/JtVBYtn
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 05, 2022, 09:39:08 pm
an here i fitted a hing in the tail but it wont swing round as far as i hoped about 60% but will do me https://ibb.co/G2MzPbR
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 05, 2022, 09:39:54 pm
https://ibb.co/ssPbKFC
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 05, 2022, 09:42:35 pm
https://ibb.co/ZXBWBMt
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 05, 2022, 09:43:26 pm
https://ibb.co/3RMt5Cr
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 05, 2022, 09:44:26 pm
https://ibb.co/0c9ZyPT :-)) chris
(https://i.ibb.co/mGyt5Qk/IMG-7328.jpg)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: RST on May 05, 2022, 11:16:39 pm
Nominate attached image as next "photo of the month" for the website... Rich
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 06, 2022, 01:16:21 pm
HI Rich thanks but i dint know there was a photo of the month on here :-)) chris
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Sealord on May 09, 2022, 09:09:40 pm
Hi mate , brilliant work on the helo, well done... :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 09, 2022, 09:15:51 pm
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Tworrs on May 10, 2022, 10:29:36 am
Hi Chris, it's been about 3 weeks so far since posting, 4 weeks since ordering. They say patience is a virtue {-)
Garry
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 12, 2022, 03:31:52 pm
HI ALL well me brother came over yeterday an wanted to see tiger as he had heard so much about it but had not seen it so i put her all togeather for him https://ibb.co/MgSBdtk
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 12, 2022, 03:34:34 pm
an with the working seaking chopper on the filght deck an it looks quite small to half the ship https://ibb.co/5TrgKr1
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 12, 2022, 03:44:26 pm
an for the first time ever i maneged to get the whole ship in my camers veiw finder :-)) an due to the sheer scale size of the ship here the seaking looks very tiny indeed an its a 1/72 scale seaking nr 11inches long so not that small but still tiny compared to the whole ship an its easy to see that they could get 4 seakings on her but as i keep forgetting her size till i fit her all togeather as 90% of the time she is stripped down to her main components bits so i can work on building her in my model room an in real she must have been a huge ship as she was a battle cruiser an helo carrier an i would love to have seen her in real :-)) an will be glad when ive built an fitted on her both guns turrets as there is still so much to still be fitted on her as all that empty space on her front deck stands out so much to me
https://ibb.co/Jr04B14 (https://ibb.co/Jr04B14) chris
(https://i.ibb.co/2cmQn9Q/IMG-7333.jpg)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Capt Podge on May 12, 2022, 03:53:13 pm
Well Chris, that was a good opportunity regarding your brother and the photos show very well the size of the ship. They also show how relatively small the heli is that you've been working on. Did you manage to show your brother the heli with the rotors turning? Hope he was super impressed with your efforts.
Aye, Ray.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 12, 2022, 04:07:51 pm
Well Chris, that was a good opportunity regarding your brother and the photos show very well the size of the ship. They also show how relatively small the heli is that you've been working on. Did you manage to show your brother the heli with the rotors turning? Hope he was super impressed with your efforts.
Aye, Ray.
HI Ray nice to see you yes i got it all working for him an the helo an yes he was quite bowled over as he dint realize that it all worked an was amazed as he build r/c aircraft an flys them an sometimes crashes them so he knows the amount of work that has gone into tiger as he is constanly repairing his planes but as he said they are no where near as complex as tiger but he like me enjoys the builds of them as one time he crashed his plane into a treetop an had to climb the tree >>:-( <*< [size=78%]to get it back down an he's nr 80 yrs old i could not do that the old bones would crack up lol[/size] ATB Ray :-)) [size=78%] [/size]
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 19, 2022, 07:24:49 pm
HI ALL well i cant get on with the gun turrets yet as waiting for a tank turret gear ring to come so i built that ugly box affair on her stern https://ibb.co/2Wq5VYr
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 19, 2022, 07:26:43 pm
an my vershion of it with bumber bar in case it back into the pond wall https://ibb.co/jzgSSt8
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 19, 2022, 07:28:02 pm
an fitted on tigers stern https://ibb.co/C54y3pv
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 19, 2022, 07:28:47 pm
https://ibb.co/9bDSMCn
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 19, 2022, 07:34:35 pm
an blue formation light https://ibb.co/MRdgTwF chris
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Martin (Admin) on May 19, 2022, 09:40:58 pm
(https://i.ibb.co/xMZ2v9x/IMG-7392.jpg)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on May 20, 2022, 01:26:00 pm
Chris not sure why you have built it as a box, as it is not, it is a working area same as on a carrier (correct name eludes me) hope this helps
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 20, 2022, 02:04:28 pm
well bob my plans dint show this an its a bit late now so have to leave it pity i dint know as i would have built it how your pic shows an anyway im glad ive built it how i have as its acting like a bumbper against the ship bein blown into the concrete wall so im happy with it as its solid wood covered with plasticard but cheers for the info chris :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on May 21, 2022, 10:11:11 am
Glad to help Chris. Whose plans are you using ? Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 21, 2022, 11:03:34 am
Glad to help Chris. Whose plans are you using ? Bob
HI Bob plans im usein are arries formly jecobin but now qauycraft but yes im happy that ive built that bit solid as if when she's sailing sooner or later the wind will blow tiger into the wall an as this is solid wood an a 2mm wire bumb bar fittied it will save the ship an helicopter from damage as up both norwich an sherigham ponds the wind force can be quite strong so im gonna fit piano wire 2mm bumb bars around the ship in several places as when i was up at norwich on our last garla day sailing my hms norfolk them wire bumb bars did the job of savin the ships S/S an helo from hitting the concrete pond wall so this is all justified an any more pics of what you are doin ? :-)) chris ps hope judie is ok
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Akira on May 21, 2022, 01:18:44 pm
Looking mighty fine Chris. Is that a laundry drying rack extending from the stern"bumper"? %%
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 21, 2022, 03:40:34 pm
I am pleased that your brother was impressed Chris! She is amazing.
HI ballastanksian YES he was an yes im pleased with her atb to you sir chris
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on May 31, 2022, 09:42:33 am
Chris Thought you might like this Tiger,Kent and Bulwark, laid up in the trot at Portsmouth (https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2022/05/31/IMG_0243.jpg) Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 31, 2022, 11:09:19 am
Chris Thought you might like this Tiger,Kent and Bulwark, laid up in the trot at Portsmouth (https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2022/05/31/IMG_0243.jpg) Bob
HI Bob cheers for the pic an is that a county class destroyer beside tiger ? as i have a freing goin to build the HMS NORFOLK in the county class D 21 i think he said as he has sent for the hull form fleetscale i think CHEERS chris
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Gian Franco Baldasso on May 31, 2022, 07:44:34 pm
Hello frogman3, first of all I want to congratulate you for the excellent model you are building of the HMS Tiger. I told him that she is a cruise ship that I personally like very much and I would like to ask him about where I can get the plans of it to make my own model. All the best. Gyan.
PS: I apologize if you don't understand me, my mother tongue is Spanish and I used the google translator :)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on May 31, 2022, 08:06:31 pm
HI Bob cheers for the pic an is that a county class destroyer beside tiger ? as i have a freing goin to build the HMS NORFOLK in the county class D 21 i think he said as he has sent for the hull form fleetscale i think CHEERS chris
Yep County Class HMS Kent
Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 31, 2022, 10:33:12 pm
Hello frogman3, first of all I want to congratulate you for the excellent model you are building of the HMS Tiger. I told him that she is a cruise ship that I personally like very much and I would like to ask him about where I can get the plans of it to make my own model. All the best. Gyan.
PS: I apologize if you don't understand me, my mother tongue is Spanish and I used the google translator :)
Hello Gyan now which tiger vershion do you want to build the gun cruiser or the one like i am doin the helicopter carrier ? an what scale ? 1/96 or like me the 1/72 scale ? an you can get the plans from quaycraft Email: sales@quaycraft.co.uk - hope this helps you Gyan :-)) best regards to you Sir ps many thanks for your kind comments on my tiger build Gyan an if i can help you anymore please ask me
chris
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 31, 2022, 10:37:45 pm
Hello Gyan now which tiger vershion do you want to build the gun cruiser or the one like i am doin the helicopter carrier ? an what scale ? 1/96 or like me the 1/72 scale ? an you can get the plans from quaycraft Email: sales@quaycraft.co.uk - hope this helps you Gyan :-)) best regards to you Sir ps many thanks for your kind comments on my tiger build Gyan an if i can help you anymore please ask me
chris
Hello Chis! How are you? Look, I have always liked the old cruisers or battleships converted into more modern ships like the USS Mississippi AG-128, the USS Boston CAG-1, the USS Little Rock CLG-4 or, in this case, the Tiger class in its Helicopter Carrier version. My idea is to continue contracting models in 1/72 scale so this would be my scale to build if possible. I also wanted to thank you for the reference of where I can get the plans. This morning I got in touch with quaycraft and asked him mainly about the matter of the scale (1/72) and the shipment (Generally, nobody makes this type of shipments to my country, Argentina, for a cost issue) On the other hand I have been reviewing my collection of naval modeling catalogs and I have found the plans of the HMS Swiftsure of the Minotaur class that according to what I understood would become one of the older brothers of the tiger class and that were finished during the second world war . But the truth is that I don't know what, apart from the obvious differences, would be the differences in the hull between the Minotaur and the Tiger class, since it must be remembered that in the post war the plan was presented to finish the Minotaur class hulls under the name of the new tiger class. I hope I'm not wrong in the story... :D All the best! Gian.
PD:I apologize again if the translation is not understood.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 03, 2022, 03:01:05 pm
Hello Chis! How are you? Look, I have always liked the old cruisers or battleships converted into more modern ships like the USS Mississippi AG-128, the USS Boston CAG-1, the USS Little Rock CLG-4 or, in this case, the Tiger class in its Helicopter Carrier version. My idea is to continue contracting models in 1/72 scale so this would be my scale to build if possible. I also wanted to thank you for the reference of where I can get the plans. This morning I got in touch with quaycraft and asked him mainly about the matter of the scale (1/72) and the shipment (Generally, nobody makes this type of shipments to my country, Argentina, for a cost issue) On the other hand I have been reviewing my collection of naval modeling catalogs and I have found the plans of the HMS Swiftsure of the Minotaur class that according to what I understood would become one of the older brothers of the tiger class and that were finished during the second world war . But the truth is that I don't know what, apart from the obvious differences, would be the differences in the hull between the Minotaur and the Tiger class, since it must be remembered that in the post war the plan was presented to finish the Minotaur class hulls under the name of the new tiger class. I hope I'm not wrong in the story... :D All the best! Gian.
PD:I apologize again if the translation is not understood.
HI Gian well to start my wife jen an i are well thank you an yes i understand what you are saying as the 1/72 plans for tiger for me were a speical order an were exspensive so i had to pay more for them than the 1/96 scale plans that qauy craft do so as i understand it you say they wont send the big 1/72 plans of tiger to your country due to cost is that right ? oh that is a pity so what ship will you build then them older crusiers ? an if you do i'll try an help you all i can if you scratch build your hull an there are plenty of pics on how i did mine if they are still on this thread as they should be an no worries about translation you are doin well :-)) ps an im sorry but i cant tell you the difference between the minotaur class ships hull an my tiger but as i said i'll try an help you if i can ATB chris
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on June 03, 2022, 04:53:32 pm
two very different looking ships, shame they did not take the 1/72 plans on board. This Swiftsure.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 03, 2022, 09:41:53 pm
HELLO ALL well im still thinkin through how to do the gun turrets so i thought id have a go an make the flightdeck safety nettin an frames an they hinge up an down for a break https://ibb.co/z2F7Hqm
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 03, 2022, 09:44:21 pm
an the hinges are aircraft alerons hinges https://ibb.co/D5Lhds6
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 03, 2022, 09:47:09 pm
an here now fitting them in place on the hull after covering them with the netting https://ibb.co/pXtLGWY
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 03, 2022, 09:50:13 pm
an here all of four of them fitted in place https://ibb.co/zhWnz21
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 03, 2022, 09:51:57 pm
here with seaking chopper in place on the flight deck https://ibb.co/z4DcDWw
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 03, 2022, 09:53:33 pm
https://ibb.co/crkSFtf
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 03, 2022, 09:56:31 pm
an nettin folded down https://ibb.co/ccWW5XY
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 03, 2022, 09:57:53 pm
close up https://ibb.co/C9Z39pX
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 03, 2022, 09:59:58 pm
here a good shot of the flight deck safety nettin in folded down postion https://ibb.co/b1bd1Z2
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Capt Podge on June 03, 2022, 10:06:44 pm
Hiya Chris, that's another fantastic achievement! It all looks so real. What have you used for the netting please - just thinking ahead for future reference. :-))
Aye, Ray.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 03, 2022, 10:20:37 pm
Hiya Chris, that's another fantastic achievement! It all looks so real. What have you used for the netting please - just thinking ahead for future reference. :-))
Aye, Ray.
HI Ray hello there hope you are well an cheers for your nice comments an its the missus's net curtain that she dint want thanks for lookin in on the build chris :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Tworrs on June 04, 2022, 04:28:28 am
Lovely job Chris, really looks the part. Garry
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 04, 2022, 08:58:30 am
AN many thanks Garry yea im glad them safety nettins turned out ok as by gum that 2mm steel pioano wire took some bendin to get it right at the same heights an lenghts hope you are goin ok on your I-D ATB Chris
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Dan on June 04, 2022, 09:55:22 pm
Really nice job on the Heli Chris! Looking very good :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 04, 2022, 10:16:24 pm
Hello Chis! How are you? Look, I have always liked the old cruisers or battleships converted into more modern ships like the USS Mississippi AG-128, the USS Boston CAG-1, the USS Little Rock CLG-4 or, in this case, the Tiger class in its Helicopter Carrier version. My idea is to continue contracting models in 1/72 scale so this would be my scale to build if possible. I also wanted to thank you for the reference of where I can get the plans. This morning I got in touch with quaycraft and asked him mainly about the matter of the scale (1/72) and the shipment (Generally, nobody makes this type of shipments to my country, Argentina, for a cost issue) On the other hand I have been reviewing my collection of naval modeling catalogs and I have found the plans of the HMS Swiftsure of the Minotaur class that according to what I understood would become one of the older brothers of the tiger class and that were finished during the second world war . But the truth is that I don't know what, apart from the obvious differences, would be the differences in the hull between the Minotaur and the Tiger class, since it must be remembered that in the post war the plan was presented to finish the Minotaur class hulls under the name of the new tiger class. I hope I'm not wrong in the story... :D All the best! Gian.
PD:I apologize again if the translation is not understood.
An hi Gian have you worked out yet which ship to build ? as i think that swithsure looks a nice subject chris
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Dan on June 05, 2022, 02:00:28 pm
THANKS Dan an how goes it on your build or has life taken over ? chris
Hi Chris, still slow and steady, not much more to look at, very nearly finished the stanchions. Following that I want to respray the Heli pad with the deck markings on. After that I won't have much more to do.. maybe 2 months before she's done if all goes to plan
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Gian Franco Baldasso on June 05, 2022, 04:36:44 pm
An hi Gian have you worked out yet which ship to build ? as i think that swithsure looks a nice subject chris
Hello Chris! How have you been? Look, they have responded to me from quaycraft and they have told me that it can be arranged to send the plans here at my desired scale but I have not yet responded nor have I decided whether to request them or not. At the moment I have only investigated if it is possible to build a tiger class cruiser from the plans of a minotaur class cruiser and came to the conclusion that it is possible but it will require a lot of ingenuity, trial, error, etc. to build the superstructure due because the only thing these boats share is the shape of the hull (in my opinion the most important thing). I have started to give the correct scale to the plans of the minotaur class ship to see how I will print them:
(https://i.imgur.com/p44kK96.png)
On the other hand, I am doubting whether to make a tiger-class ship this time or first the school battleship USS Mississippi AG-128 since I have more material about it:
(https://i.imgur.com/Wg26zO4.png)
Anyway, I don't rule out directly building a minotaur-class ship, it looks quite interesting:
(https://i.imgur.com/20tFEUh.jpg)
By the way, I'm loving how your model is turning out. The amount of detail it has is impressive. Keep it up! I hope to see it finished soon :)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 05, 2022, 06:28:05 pm
HI Gian we are very well thank you an we hope you an your wife are if you are married an from what i can work out from your post you are going to build the minotaur ship then am i right in 1/72 scale yes ? an yes it will require a lot of ingenuity, trial, error, etc. to build the superstructure but so did my tiger an i dont know what modeling skills you have but you can only try an see how it goes as i have done an mine turned out ok but up to you if you want the ship you got to build it anyway Gian hope to see you build some ship an thank you for your nice comments on my tiger :-)) ATB Chris
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 05, 2022, 06:41:20 pm
Hi Chris, still slow and steady, not much more to look at, very nearly finished the stanchions. Following that I want to respray the Heli pad with the deck markings on. After that I won't have much more to do.. maybe 2 months before she's done if all goes to plan
HI DAN well done if you have nr finished your ship an how long did it take to build in the end ?an how about some pics of her ? chris :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Dan on June 05, 2022, 10:13:29 pm
HI DAN well done if you have nr finished your ship an how long did it take to build in the end ?an how about some pics of her ? chris :-))
Thanks Chris! I started it when I think I was 15.. I'm now 30. Although it was sat on a shelf for about 10 years. I'm glad I've dusted it off and restarted it. I'll try and get some photos up in the next few days :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 07, 2022, 10:53:18 pm
HI Gian sorry but for some reason i cant reply on your post as the words all keep backin up so can any body eles post something on his site the Class Meko 360 - 1/72 (https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,68318.0.html) one as it may be my laptop playin up chris :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Tworrs on June 08, 2022, 12:22:25 am
Hi Chris, I have just posted something on Gian's post, so it is working. ATB Garry
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 08, 2022, 09:41:02 am
Hi Chris, I have just posted something on Gian's post, so it is working. ATB Garry
OH Thanks Garry as my laptop was makin a right dogs dinner of my post cheers as dont want Gian to think no one will talk to him well done for takin over :-)) chris
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 08, 2022, 11:20:38 am
HI ALL well just a small post today to show ive now started working on them gun turretes an this lot below is just some of what i need to make this guns turrets working but i know some of you guys on here have mastered it but im a novice on this but well onto a rd that may or may not work so will see how i get on chris https://ibb.co/ZcSdvyz
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 08, 2022, 11:31:39 am
an im useing a 1/16 R/C tank turret gear ring to turn my main gun turret with other gears to turn it fom a sail winch servo an the makers said it will give me 6 revovloutins but its not right as i treid the sailwinch straight from the R/X an i only got 2an a bit revoltuions so i fitted a servo morph on an its called exstender an tried that was better but still only got 4an a bit turns so today i will adjust the servo morph to the full exstened range an then see how may turns i get an below the turret gear ring (actual size) https://ibb.co/0jmFcrS
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 08, 2022, 11:36:09 am
AN HERE IN THIS PIC ive fitted on a 2mm plasti card base plate to the turret gear ring so i can drill a centrall hole for the spindle shaft an there are some of the gears i hope to use chris https://ibb.co/yFg89SF
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 08, 2022, 11:45:46 am
an right under the turret there is these eletronics so the turret gearing must be made to lift out an compact enough so i can get to the eletrics if a problem at all chris https://ibb.co/QPYXyrx
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on June 08, 2022, 05:40:27 pm
HI ALL well just a small post today to show ive now started working on them gun turretes an this lot below is just some of what i need to make this guns turrets working but i know some of you guys on here have mastered it but im a novice on this but well onto a rd that may or may not work so will see how i get on chris https://ibb.co/ZcSdvyz (https://ibb.co/ZcSdvyz)
Chris thats why I used the bit from mike, no gears as much traverse as needed, you only need 1 max anyway and no wires to worry about, , also lifts straight out if wanted to gain access, anyway good luck
Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 08, 2022, 07:32:50 pm
Chris thats why I used the bit from mike, no gears as much traverse as needed, you only need 1 max anyway and no wires to worry about, , also lifts straight out if wanted to gain access, anyway good luck
Bob
HI Bob can you show me a pic of what the unit is from mikes please cheers chris ps we hope judie is managine ok
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on June 08, 2022, 08:17:26 pm
chris will send one as for Judi PM on its way
Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on June 08, 2022, 08:23:00 pm
Chris About size of 10p, like i said with turret mounted on servo it can be slotted in and out and unless you are having extra bits in the turret its a clean mout with just servo lead there, Its personal choice but after using two of these I could never go back to the tank turret way which I used on first Tiger
Hello Chris! How have you been? Look, they have responded to me from quaycraft and they have told me that it can be arranged to send the plans here at my desired scale but I have not yet responded nor have I decided whether to request them or not. At the moment I have only investigated if it is possible to build a tiger class cruiser from the plans of a minotaur class cruiser and came to the conclusion that it is possible but it will require a lot of ingenuity, trial, error, etc. to build the superstructure due because the only thing these boats share is the shape of the hull (in my opinion the most important thing). I have started to give the correct scale to the plans of the minotaur class ship to see how I will print them:
(https://i.imgur.com/p44kK96.png)
On the other hand, I am doubting whether to make a tiger-class ship this time or first the school battleship USS Mississippi AG-128 since I have more material about it:
(https://i.imgur.com/Wg26zO4.png)
Anyway, I don't rule out directly building a minotaur-class ship, it looks quite interesting:
(https://i.imgur.com/20tFEUh.jpg)
By the way, I'm loving how your model is turning out. The amount of detail it has is impressive. Keep it up! I hope to see it finished soon :)
Gian for what its worth I would pick one or the other there are to many differences between the two classes it will make you task harder. Having built two Tigers I am well versed in the issues with her.
Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Gian Franco Baldasso on June 09, 2022, 02:16:40 pm
HI Gian sorry but for some reason i cant reply on your post as the words all keep backin up so can any body eles post something on his site the Class Meko 360 - 1/72 (https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,68318.0.html) one as it may be my laptop playin up chris :-))
Hello Cris! No problem. That day I also had problems with the forum. I hope it has been solved!
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Gian Franco Baldasso on June 09, 2022, 02:27:01 pm
Hello Bob! I am aware of the differences between the two ship classes. But from what I read on the web, the hulls of both classes of ships are the same. Since originally the tiger-class ship hulls were minotaur-class ship hulls that were never finished. Therefore, in theory, the frames of both types of ships should be the same. Obviously the superstructure is totally different and that's the hard part! At the moment I am going to dedicate myself to continue with my old model, the Meko 360.
Cheers! Gian.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 09, 2022, 02:34:27 pm
Chris About size of 10p, like i said with turret mounted on servo it can be slotted in and out and unless you are having extra bits in the turret its a clean mout with just servo lead there, Its personal choice but after using two of these I could never go back to the tank turret way which I used on first Tiger
HI Gian well thanks for the infomation an ive sent for the twin gun turret one as tiger has two gun turrets many thanks an i will use it if my gears idea dont work out so this way i have two chances of getting the guns to turn chris :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 14, 2022, 06:57:25 am
HI all well ive been pondering over these gears to get some to turn that big 1/16th turret gear ring that will turn the big main 6 inch gun turret an thankfully so far ive got succsses as the SAIL WINCH SERVO works the the turret left an right like a dream an nice an slow as ive set the servo morph at just the right speed an to self centre as as i had it working from a stick on my T/X but it wont stay there when i let go of the stick it just self centres so to get over this ive fitted it in a different channal in the R/X an this one is worked by a flick on off on switch an this idea works lovley so when i flick the switch up or down the big gearing turns what would be the gun turret shaft an when at the end of travel the wouldbe turret (when built) will stay in that postion till i activate the switch an then it goes back to self centreing so im pleased https://ibb.co/qCf0s8T (https://ibb.co/qCf0s8T)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 14, 2022, 07:09:16 am
AN while i was doin this i dint give no thought to how i will get the wires up the shaft to work the small blue micro servo to work the guns barrells to elevate so had a think an thought well i need a centre bolt that has a hole up the centre to take the wires up to the micro servo an i thought right that steel bolt has got to go an the idea ive come up with is a plastic rudder bolt an where the rudder shaft would have gone in the centre hole i can run me wires up that to said servo so that will be done today just got to drill the hole out bigger on my upright drill https://ibb.co/XJQ4vjh (https://ibb.co/XJQ4vjh)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 14, 2022, 07:24:16 am
here a close up shot of the sailwinch servo gear an the big turret gear an they fit like a glove an works well from left an right to back to self centre an go nice an slow like a big heavy gun turret would turn from my servo morph an its set just right an i was very lucky to get that big turret gear ring to fit my gears as it was just a guess off ebay so next up to build the gun turrets them selves so i can fit in that blue micro sevo as they will both work off a double fly lead from one channel on the T/X so so far it all seems to be workin unless muphy law strikes chris :-)) https://ibb.co/zrxcj8L
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 14, 2022, 07:37:15 am
An i have sent off for a gun fire unit that also flashes leds so it looks like its fireing so see how i get on wireing this all up as its the blind leading the blind here as ive never had had one before so that should be fun wirein it all in chris :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on June 14, 2022, 09:23:20 am
HI all well ive been pondering over these gears to get some to turn that big 1/16th turret gear ring that will turn the big main 6 inch gun turret an thankfully so far ive got succsses as the SAIL WINCH SERVO works the the turret left an right like a dream an nice an slow as ive set the servo morph at just the right speed an to self centre as as i had it working from a stick on my T/X but it wont stay there when i let go of the stick it just self centres so to get over this ive fitted it in a different channal in the R/X an this one is worked by a flick on off on switch an this idea works lovley so when i flick the switch up or down the big gearing turns what would be the gun turret shaft an when at the end of travel the wouldbe turret (when built) will stay in that postion till i activate the switch an then it goes back to self centreing so im pleased https://ibb.co/qCf0s8T (https://ibb.co/qCf0s8T)
Chris wharts the open box of electronics?
Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Sealord on June 14, 2022, 03:17:29 pm
Well done mate, I wasn't sure when you showed all those gears in the model room ,but i must admit you've done it. :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 14, 2022, 07:31:39 pm
HI Bob its a servo morph by action an servo exstender chris
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Post by: Rob47 on June 14, 2022, 08:18:15 pm
Cheers Chris, wow thats huge Bob
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Post by: Rob47 on June 14, 2022, 08:21:26 pm
Navy Gets 'tiger' (1959) - Bing video (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=navy+gets+Tiger&view=detail&mid=9CF9579CC2E9321ED7689CF9579CC2E9321ED768&FORM=VIRE)
Chris dont know if did get to see this, watch the 3" turret. Bob
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Post by: frogman3 on June 15, 2022, 08:02:40 am
Navy Gets 'tiger' (1959) - Bing video (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=navy+gets+Tiger&view=detail&mid=9CF9579CC2E9321ED7689CF9579CC2E9321ED768&FORM=VIRE)
Chris dont know if did get to see this, watch the 3" turret. Bob
HI Bob well what am i suppoced to watch for on the 3inch gun turret ? chris :embarrassed:
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Post by: Rob47 on June 15, 2022, 07:15:20 pm
Chris Speed and rate of fire and the 6" is no slouch either Bob
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Post by: frogman3 on June 15, 2022, 07:50:17 pm
Chris Speed and rate of fire and the 6" is no slouch either Bob
HI Bob well i like turrets to turn slowy like the big battle ships turrets did an i have achevied that but got a problem with that micro servo when i treid it all out it worked ok but now that little b+gger is playin up by goin into revese when i go just one way on the other way its good so i cant understand why it wont behave itself an yes ive treid other servo an still the same outcome chris
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Post by: frogman3 on June 16, 2022, 04:35:24 pm
HI ALL well with some help from the guys in the black arts section ive now got over that sevo prolem as the trouble was that i had set the servo morph to too long a train but now i shorten the train to 90 degrees on left an right an volay it all works ok an im very pleased so now i can start to build the main 6 inch gun turret an fit on the knockon switches that should work the gun fire an gun flash unit an that should be exciting as i love my wireing :-)) ATB ALL CHRIS
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Post by: frogman3 on July 17, 2022, 08:17:44 pm
HI ALL WELL the build is still goin as im building the big 6 inch gun turret an got it to work from R/C LEFT AN RIGHT an sent for a gun fire sound unit but its not right so im sending it it back but was very good for a machine gun firen but not for a 6 inch gun <:( more when i got something to show chris
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Post by: frogman3 on July 19, 2022, 09:15:31 am
HI ALL well heat or no heat im still pushin on with the 6 inch gun turret build an here at the moment its all just fitted togeather to see if im on the right track an yes i think i am today im goin to try an build the sides where there will be holes drilled out to accept the main axel bar that allows the guns to elevate up an down https://ibb.co/VvTgygm
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Post by: frogman3 on July 19, 2022, 09:22:47 am
AN A side veiw of said unit but its all got to come to bits again as ive sent off for a hundred white ultra bright leds two will be fitted in the gun barrels an painted tamyia clear orange to simulate gun flash if i can get the gunfire unit that im hopein for an the blue servo will be fitted in place to elevate the guns barrles up an down from my servo morph but cant do no more till the 3mm 3v leds turn up chris https://ibb.co/cvMmcCQ :-))
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Post by: Dan on July 19, 2022, 07:21:41 pm
This turret is going to be pretty magnificent when your done with it Chris, good to see your soldiering on through the heat!
And how's Jen doing? I hope she's on the mend!
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Post by: frogman3 on July 19, 2022, 07:52:47 pm
This turret is going to be pretty magnificent when your done with it Chris, good to see your soldiering on through the heat!
And how's Jen doing? I hope she's on the mend!
HI Dan nice to hear from you an yes the turret is comin on as this afternoon i fitted a 3mm led in just one gun barrel to see the affect an im pleased to say its looks great all i need now is the gun fire sound unit an then i can really get stuck in on the gun turrets but im not gonna make the 3 inch gun s elevate as not enough room as too small an jen well many thanks for thinking of her Dan but a fair way to go yet im a fraid as in another two wks hopefully she will have her plaster removed an the big stiches out then have xrays to see if its all healing corretly if not then maybe more surgury but i hope not if ok then she will have more plaster an a boot on an then will see from there CHEERS Dan atb chris :-))
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Post by: frogman3 on July 28, 2022, 06:20:45 pm
HI ALL well that gun turret is comin on but its a very awkward shape to build but im gettin there an here in this pic ive just fitted the side walls to get that weird shape https://ibb.co/nMrQ6QC
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Post by: frogman3 on July 28, 2022, 06:23:02 pm
an strenghtin gussets fitted to the side walls https://ibb.co/x6R1L5P
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Post by: frogman3 on July 28, 2022, 06:24:20 pm
now fittin on the out sides of the turret https://ibb.co/Sw8VygT
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Post by: frogman3 on July 28, 2022, 06:26:28 pm
an ive fitted the front part of the turret an cor this is a devil to make but still a lot more to go on https://ibb.co/QF6fbbc
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Post by: frogman3 on July 28, 2022, 06:29:01 pm
an here ive fitted in some hard wood so i can screw down the top of turret as i will need access sometime https://ibb.co/Y78BnDN
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Post by: frogman3 on July 28, 2022, 06:29:55 pm
https://ibb.co/423kHsR
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Post by: frogman3 on July 28, 2022, 06:35:07 pm
an ive just fitted a wire to pull the guns to the elevated postion but it wont work the other way as the servo trys to push the guns down so i'll still be happy to have the guns straight out on the port side https://ibb.co/k30Zc31
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Post by: frogman3 on July 28, 2022, 06:37:06 pm
guns elvated here https://ibb.co/phDVwhQ
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 28, 2022, 06:40:01 pm
an ive fitted in the gun barrels the 3mm amber leds to simulate guns flash but these are not very bright as they are on 6v so may try an put 12v to them an they will be a lot brighter https://ibb.co/drD84R5
(https://i.ibb.co/6mFj0kW/IMG-7521.jpg)
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Post by: Rob47 on July 28, 2022, 10:12:06 pm
Chris Metal linkeage not any use? thats how Phoebe/Hero will be done
Bob
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Post by: frogman3 on July 28, 2022, 10:22:59 pm
Chris Metal linkeage not any use? thats how Phoebe/Hero will be done
Bob
HI Bob sorry but what metal linkage are you on about ? do you mean the linkage between the micro servo an the gun as if you do it a wire linkage an not metal hope you are ok chris
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Post by: Rob47 on July 29, 2022, 10:39:18 am
Chris Yes but what I said was would a metal linkage not be better. Yes alright getting there slolwy, time will telll. funeral 19/08
Bob
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Post by: frogman3 on July 29, 2022, 12:00:27 pm
Chris Yes but what I said was would a metal linkage not be better. Yes alright getting there slolwy, time will telll. funeral 19/08
Bob
HI Bob no metal linkage will not give as yes one way the servo pulls the guns into the elevated postion but when goin the other way the servo will try to push the linkage forward an push the guns downwards which is no go chris
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Post by: RST on July 30, 2022, 01:43:22 am
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an ive fitted in the gun barrels the 3mm amber leds to simulate guns flash but these are not very bright as they are on 6v so may try an put 12v to them an they will be a lot brighter https://ibb.co/drD84R5 (https://ibb.co/drD84R5)
...hi sorry to ask but why would your LED's be brighter on 12v compared to 6V? Looking good otherwise!
Best wishes to Jen.
Rich
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Post by: frogman3 on July 30, 2022, 06:50:26 am
...hi sorry to ask but why would your LED's be brighter on 12v compared to 6V? Looking good otherwise!
Best wishes to Jen.
Rich
HI Rich well on 12v there is twice as much power goin through the leds an ive treid it on some spares led an yes the resistor gets a bit warm but ive ran it for half an hr so should be ok but when goin with hopefully the gun fire sound unit the leds will only flash for half a second so no probs chris
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Post by: ronnie42 on July 30, 2022, 10:37:39 pm
Have you tried using plastic gears with the servo instead of a wire rod . Made this work by using a gearwheel on the pivot cylinder gun assembly and a gear fitted to a servo.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJh35b582sU
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 31, 2022, 08:50:07 am
Have you tried using plastic gears with the servo instead of a wire rod . Made this work by using a gearwheel on the pivot cylinder gun assembly and a gear fitted to a servo.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJh35b582sU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJh35b582sU)
HI Ronnie thank you for your reply but i havnt used a wire rod it just a flexible wire thats elevating the guns an one way only as the other way the servo pushes the guns down hence the flixible wire an got no idea how you did your idea with out some pics cheers chris
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Post by: Rob47 on July 31, 2022, 09:17:08 pm
Chris Confused by the servo pushes the guns down, surly thats what you want isnt it?
I suspect that Roman 42 simply has one gear on the trunnion that meshes with another on the servo, (same as 1/1 set ups) servo gear moves as its meshesd with trunnion gear that rotates thus moving the guns, (trunnion shaft running theough the turret to hold guns)
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Post by: frogman3 on July 31, 2022, 09:47:28 pm
Chris Confused by the servo pushes the guns down, surly thats what you want isnt it?
I suspect that Roman 42 simply has one gear on the trunnion that meshes with another on the servo, (same as 1/1 set ups) servo gear moves as its meshesd with trunnion gear that rotates thus moving the guns, (trunnion shaft running theough the turret to hold guns)
HI Bob no i dont want the guns pushed down just to elevate an when the servo goes forward the guns fall down to their stops under their own weight as its brass tube the gun barrells are an not downwards as you say hope you understand me chris
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Post by: frogman3 on July 31, 2022, 10:16:13 pm
HI ALL Just small update to say that the 6 inch gun turret is now built after two months as this was a little devil to build what with all them angles but got it done now for the hard part an thats fittin in all the eletronics gun fire sound hopefully if i can to get the leds to flash with the sound of the gun firein but untill that comes im now goin to start building the 3 inch gun turret tomorrow now some pics of the turret https://ibb.co/HzDsdJB
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Post by: frogman3 on July 31, 2022, 10:16:47 pm
https://ibb.co/bv57V7b
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Post by: frogman3 on July 31, 2022, 10:17:42 pm
https://ibb.co/QNtdqSr chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on July 31, 2022, 10:25:51 pm
HI Bob no i dont want the guns pushed down just to elevate an when the servo goes forward the guns fall down to their stops under their own weight as its brass tube the gun barrells are an not downwards as you say hope you understand me chris
Ah got it now, thought you wanted control in elevation and deprrssion with the servo, not using gravity, clear now
Bob
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Post by: frogman3 on July 31, 2022, 10:34:55 pm
Hi mate, nice job on the turret, is it all up and working now ? :-))
HI M8 NO NOT all workin yet as im waiting for a gentleman who is building me a gun fire sound sound unit an thats gonna be the hard part getting it all to work with the led's flashing with the gun fire so im leavin that for now an movein onto the small 3 inch gun turret while im waiting an im thinkin of fitting 2mm ultra bright leds in the 3 inch guns but no hurry there as im enjoyin the builds ATB chrisb :-))
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Post by: Martin (Admin) on August 01, 2022, 12:55:35 pm
(https://i.ibb.co/wWjsbGM/IMG-7523.jpg)
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Post by: ronnie42 on August 01, 2022, 03:07:28 pm
Rob 47 is correct here is a pic of the way its done.(https://i.imgur.com/eIS6YLn.jpg)
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Post by: ronnie42 on August 01, 2022, 03:10:11 pm
a u tube video with the turret frame https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFqIuUf4oXs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFqIuUf4oXs)
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Post by: Rob47 on August 01, 2022, 04:59:32 pm
Chris As per your email, hope these help, Chris note the early version has positions for the gun layer port and Starboad, the shots of her at end of life only have the one. Careful which period you pick
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Post by: frogman3 on August 01, 2022, 07:47:56 pm
HI Bob cheers for them pics very good of you now i can make a start on the 3 inch guns with all them pics should be able to get it nr right hope you are ok chrisb :-))
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Post by: frogman3 on August 02, 2022, 10:07:25 am
HI Ronnie 42 sorry i dint answer to your reply but i dint notice it had been posted but ive done mine now but thank for the pic :-)) chris b [/quote)
HI Ronnie 42 your soluion looks good have you a build on here where you show how that gun turret gears all work ? an could you tell me where it is so i can have a look see chrisb
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Post by: frogman3 on August 15, 2022, 11:06:56 am
HI ALL well ive been building that weird 3 inch gun turret an it has been most difficult due to all the angles involed but got there in the end but what could go wrong on this build DID an im not too happy with it as one of the tiny 1mm leds fitted in the gun barrels to simulate gun flash as packed up but one is still workin an i can get the the guns to elevate like on the big 6 inch gun turret but on this 3 inch the 2mm brass barrels are not heavy enough to come down via gravity so i will have to use the ole mark one finger to push the guns back down most dissapionted but the big gun works fine an both barrels flash amber light well first pic is where i have fitted in the barrels the 1 mm leds
:embarrassed: <:(
https://ibb.co/fxmTcnV
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Post by: frogman3 on August 15, 2022, 11:08:23 am
3 inch guns mounting https://ibb.co/7S95yCx
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 15, 2022, 11:10:24 am
an here guns mounted an servo pulled them into elevated postion https://ibb.co/Gk6VnpR
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Post by: frogman3 on August 15, 2022, 11:13:15 am
an here the turret is near built an i have fitted in three madnets to hold on the turret top so it can be removed for servicing https://ibb.co/WpR1TNb
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Post by: frogman3 on August 15, 2022, 11:15:11 am
an here the turret top fitted with bit of a baked bean tin to attache to the magnets to keep the turret top in place https://ibb.co/YBHJBBh
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 15, 2022, 11:21:36 am
an here some views of the nearly finished turret an i will fit on the danger decals later an at the moment my pc seems to be goin quite good so i will try an load several pic one after the other https://ibb.co/RN2mqkk (https://ibb.co/RN2mqkk) https://ibb.co/BCcGqG0 (https://ibb.co/BCcGqG0) https://ibb.co/SyB11kD https://ibb.co/XSPHG3K (https://ibb.co/XSPHG3K) WONT let me load anymore wish it worked like this all the time instaed of crashin chris :-))
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Post by: frogman3 on August 15, 2022, 11:25:23 am
AN NOW SOME shots of the gun turrets just laid on the ships deck https://ibb.co/rQKrLcW https://ibb.co/4NQ3dYF https://ibb.co/b3mRWQD https://ibb.co/hFsh4Yx
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Post by: frogman3 on August 15, 2022, 11:27:54 am
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Martin (Admin) on August 15, 2022, 01:13:52 pm
(https://i.ibb.co/SyYn9tW/IMG-7584.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on August 15, 2022, 02:25:11 pm
MANY THANKS Martin for bringin up the pic ATB Chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: RST on August 15, 2022, 03:23:09 pm
Hi Chris, if your barrels aren't quite heavy enough, one of your pics gave me a thought... Have you tried a bit of elastic tied between your barrel pivots going under the back of the barrel in the turret? Maybe a bit of haberdashery elastic or a small rubber band looks like it might give enough bias back to down position (not knowing how stiff your pivot is but it looks worth a try!)? If you just use something like fishing line /thread to pull them up also -the band will pull them back down?
Rich
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 15, 2022, 04:05:24 pm
Hi Chris, if your barrels aren't quite heavy enough, one of your pics gave me a thought... Have you tried a bit of elastic tied between your barrel pivots going under the back of the barrel in the turret? Maybe a bit of haberdashery elastic or a small rubber band looks like it might give enough bias back to down position (not knowing how stiff your pivot is but it looks worth a try!)? If you just use something like fishing line /thread to pull them up also -the band will pull them back down?
Rich
HI Rich never thought of that i'll give it a try just got to hope that micro servo is strong enough to pull against the eleastic VERY GOOD MANY THANKS Rich :-)) i'll give it a go tomorrow morn cheers ATB CHRISB
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Post by: RST on August 15, 2022, 05:08:22 pm
Maybe worth a try Chris, you've always got the option I said to you of another servomorph for your elevation if you want plug-in style electrickery to do the job, or the option Umi talked about.
Coming together though. I admire perseverance with anyone building big. My attention span is far to skittish to finish big projects!
Rich
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Post by: frogman3 on August 15, 2022, 05:23:12 pm
Maybe worth a try Chris, you've always got the option I said to you of another servomorph for your elevation if you want plug-in style electrickery to do the job, or the option Umi talked about.
Coming together though. I admire perseverance with anyone building big. My attention span is far to skittish to finish big projects!
Rich
OK RICH I'LL give it a try chrisb
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Post by: Sealord on August 16, 2022, 01:12:44 pm
HI MATE, Guns and ship looking brilliant, keep up the good work.. :-))
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Post by: frogman3 on August 19, 2022, 06:05:56 pm
HI MATE, Guns and ship looking brilliant, keep up the good work.. :-))
HI Sealord cheers for your kind comment on my work on tiger many thanks chrisb :-))
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Post by: frogman3 on August 19, 2022, 06:14:48 pm
AN i have been building that small 3 inch turretan its been a disaster but some guys are sayin look ok well ok i suppoce it is an i have had trouble gettin the guns turret to train both the same way but after a bit of help an advise from the guys in chit chat an a bit of thought ive now got both gun turrets trainin the same way but the air was a bit blue at times an my solution with the 3 inch gun turret was fit another gear so that both turrets train togeather an im very pleased to say succsees :-)) an pic of them gears below https://ibb.co/3Bsw5mV chrisb
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Post by: frogman3 on August 19, 2022, 06:17:03 pm
an here she's now really begining to look the part with her foredeck fairleads an bollards in white https://ibb.co/1rVQYCX
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Post by: frogman3 on August 19, 2022, 06:24:50 pm
an here the gun turrets are workin to starb from R/C an the work great on their train but i havnt connected up the micro servos in the turret for the gun elevation yet will do that when i get the gun fire sound unit but im pleased at how it commin on https://ibb.co/sPbQ04K
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Post by: frogman3 on August 19, 2022, 06:25:40 pm
an to port https://ibb.co/0KmS5yW
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Post by: frogman3 on August 19, 2022, 06:26:25 pm
https://ibb.co/QvgJcJj
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Post by: frogman3 on August 19, 2022, 06:27:39 pm
overall shot https://ibb.co/QFkJSYJ
(https://i.ibb.co/svCgxsg/IMG-7601.jpg)
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Post by: ScottW on August 19, 2022, 06:49:34 pm
That works! :-)) Model is shaping up nicely.
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Post by: frogman3 on August 19, 2022, 07:14:08 pm
CHEERS Scott yes im very pleased an thank you for your nice comment chrisb :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Sealord on August 20, 2022, 10:45:18 pm
Everything looking brilliant mate. :-))
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Post by: Capt Podge on August 20, 2022, 11:00:21 pm
Glad to see you've managed to sort the gun movements out Chris and look forward to seeing (and hearing) the guns in action. Hope you get the delivery soon :-))
Aye, Ray.
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Post by: frogman3 on August 21, 2022, 05:38:57 am
Glad to see you've managed to sort the gun movements out Chris and look forward to seeing (and hearing) the guns in action. Hope you get the delivery soon :-))
Aye, Ray.
HI Ray so am i glad as it was testin the ole brain with all them gears but the way it now works with the gears is the complete oppisste to the big gun turret as thats what threw me by tryin to use same gears again except i could not fit a big 1/16 tank turret gear as it was to big so had to use normall size gears an a sail winch servo but no joy >>:-( <*< [size=78%] . So i treid out a normal servo an different gears sizes until i treid the three gears in the present arrement an volay yes it all worked nr enough crazy isnt it[/size] :-)) [size=78%] as it was so different to just get the guns to turn the same way but a bit of thought an yes got it right in the end. An yes when the gun fire unit comes then i hopefully can get them guns to all work togeather an guns flash with the leds but on the 3 inch gun one 1mm led has failed[/size] :embarrassed: [size=78%] so i will just have one gun barrel lighting up but better than none eh well Ray many thanks for your intrest in the tiger build[/size] more APPS comin soon ATB to you Sir chrisb :-))
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Post by: Tworrs on August 21, 2022, 06:26:05 am
Great result Chris, well done mate. Garry
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Post by: frogman3 on August 21, 2022, 07:08:12 am
HI Garry cheers for your comments an hows I/D comin on ? as it looked great in the pics you shew me ATB to you Garry an have fun building CHRISB :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 31, 2022, 07:38:25 am
HI Chaps Time for an update well ive been workin on fitting P/E stantions an brass rods for safety railins as i cant do any more on my guns till the gun fire unit comes so a shot of nr 200 stantions that im goin to fit on her but ive had to fit them firstly on the gun directors mounts before i fitted the same to the mounts an it was a good test of the ole peppers to to thread the rod through the stanion holes as they are so tiny chrisb :-)) https://ibb.co/S7qdycj
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 31, 2022, 07:41:17 am
AN A SHOT of how small they are against my finger tip an half way a round the mounting they are fitted https://ibb.co/MR1F61J
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 31, 2022, 07:45:17 am
an nr done just one more lot of bends of the brass wire an then cut off to size https://ibb.co/0hfc6Y2
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 31, 2022, 07:48:33 am
An here a close up shot of the gun directors fitted on the upper S/S https://ibb.co/thTty39
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 31, 2022, 08:13:22 am
overall shot of where they fit on the main S/S AN ITS NOW GETTIN BLOOMIN HEAVY AN IVE BUILT AS LIGHT AS POSSIBLE >>:-( :embarrassed: %) https://ibb.co/qkpwjkJ
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 31, 2022, 08:35:32 am
AN Movin on i started to build the ships crane an here a pic of the real thing but its a bit fuzzy so will have to geuss on the shape https://ibb.co/yQ168rY
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 31, 2022, 08:39:19 am
An heres my attempt of it not acrrurate but will do me an here the jib fully exstened with leds on it an they will be wired up at a later date an here im still tryin to build the crane mounting https://ibb.co/TKwVFyw
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 31, 2022, 08:42:48 am
an ive made it so the jib foulds up so it dont get broken :-)) . https://ibb.co/bPxPxkS
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 31, 2022, 08:46:00 am
an here a shot of how it will be afixed to the deck with a nut an bolt so it can be moved by hand an can be removed https://ibb.co/BPjjjjT chrisb :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: ScottW on August 31, 2022, 11:45:44 am
Crane turned out nicely for being a guess from a fuzzy photo. Having it fold like that is a neat idea.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 31, 2022, 12:01:47 pm
Crane turned out nicely for being a guess from a fuzzy photo. Having it fold like that is a neat idea.
HI Scott many thanks yes impleased with how thing are goin an yes the crane jib has to fold up so i can get the front part of the ship in the boot of my car %) :-)) as its gonna be a tight fit just got to hope me an the missus can lift it when all togeather ready for a sail :-)) cheers for lookin in hope you are well chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on August 31, 2022, 05:05:50 pm
HI Chaps Time for an update well ive been workin on fitting P/E stantions an brass rods for safety railins as i cant do any more on my guns till the gun fire unit comes so a shot of nr 200 stantions that im goin to fit on her but ive had to fit them firstly on the gun directors mounts before i fitted the same to the mounts an it was a good test of the ole peppers to to thread the rod through the stanion holes as they are so tiny chrisb :-)) https://ibb.co/S7qdycj (https://ibb.co/S7qdycj)
Chris any particular reason you are using 1/96 stanchions? Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 31, 2022, 05:18:36 pm
Chris any particular reason you are using 1/96 stanchions? Bob
HI Bob yes i was given about a 1000 of these by a freind an cant afford much now as jen cant work so im payin for every thing so im usein them an really there is not a lot of difference in height to the 1/72 ones so needs must hows that Bob an hope you are well ATB chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Akira on August 31, 2022, 10:51:55 pm
Beautiful work on the crane. Your stanchions look great as well, even if I forgot my ruler :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 01, 2022, 08:54:25 am
Beautiful work on the crane. Your stanchions look great as well, even if I forgot my ruler :embarrassed:
HI Akira many thanks for your nice comments on my work an yes the stanchions may be a bit short but with a 1000 of them i cant afford to not use them as there really is not a lot of height difference to 1/72 scale CHEERS ATB chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Sealord on September 01, 2022, 07:25:08 pm
Hi Mate, Everything looking brilliant, i'll get over as soon as i can. :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 01, 2022, 10:01:20 pm
Hi Mate, Everything looking brilliant, i'll get over as soon as i can. :-))
ok cheers m8 :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 04, 2022, 06:29:14 am
HI ALL well today a small SPECIAL update on that ships crane an what makes it special is that its the first thing on this ship that i can say its finished :-)) %) :o O0 as ive got stuck into it to get it to the fin state an im fairly pleased its not 100% accruate but will do for me an here are some pics of the fin item https://ibb.co/n1rqyGy
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 04, 2022, 06:31:50 am
different angle shots https://ibb.co/dLHpPwH
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 04, 2022, 06:32:35 am
https://ibb.co/YNVrgJM
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 04, 2022, 06:38:47 am
here a a shot of the crane travasineing to the deck edge as ive made it to go just left an right as its no good havin it go up or down as if it goes down it will hit the motor launches that will be on the deck https://ibb.co/B2NzHGz (https://ibb.co/B2NzHGz) :-)) O0
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 04, 2022, 06:42:43 am
an here a shot of the white 2mm leds that shine downwards to illuminate the load bein lifted if it was real https://ibb.co/MSJzv2T
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 04, 2022, 06:45:06 am
an some shots of the crane in its folded postion https://ibb.co/0V4DD4G
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 04, 2022, 06:45:51 am
https://ibb.co/g3955p8
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 04, 2022, 06:46:33 am
https://ibb.co/qYszW3P
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 04, 2022, 06:53:38 am
An lastly how the crane will be in its folded an stowed postion ready to go to the pond an so it doesnt get broken while in transport an ive still got to make up the carry cradles yet but that will happen in a yr or so time O0 %) :embarrassed: :-)) https://ibb.co/FHzPxMP but still loads of deck fittings an railings still to be fitted so more to come chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 04, 2022, 07:22:22 am
An a real life shot here of the real crane in action liftin a seaking thats took a dip :embarrassed: but this ship is HMS BLAKE C99 https://ibb.co/mtt4LCr CHRISB
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Capt Podge on September 04, 2022, 08:50:12 am
Hi Chris, just like everything else you've made on Tiger, your crane looks really good and looks great whether folded or extended and those led's will add even more realism to your model - I salute your efforts Sir!
Aye, Ray.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 04, 2022, 09:07:42 am
Hi Chris, just like everything else you've made on Tiger, your crane looks really good and looks great whether folded or extended and those led's will add even more realism to your model - I salute your efforts Sir!
Aye, Ray.
HI Ray well im tryin my best on this model as it may be my last an its not all accurate but the navy did swop it about a bit when she was in service an many thanks for your kind comment Ray cheers chrisb :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: ScottW on September 04, 2022, 09:49:46 am
update on that ships crane an what makes it special is that its the first thing on this ship that i can say its finished :-))
Yay! Looking good. And it brings to mind a thing where people say they don't have the extended patience to build models -- ahh, but it isn't extended patience, it is a collection of little bits of instant gratification; You got that part glued on, Yay! You got the pilot's seat painted, Yay! That kind of thing. (and now later in the morning I see a couple typos to fix) :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 04, 2022, 09:57:47 am
Yay! Looking good. And it brings to mind a thing where people say they don't have the extended patience to build models -- ahh, but it isn't extended patience, it is a collection of little bits of instant gratification; You go that part glued on, Yay! You got the pilot's sear painted, Yay! That kind of thing.
HI Scott yes when you think about it this ship model is loads of seperate models that will all come togeather in the end to make the main model so no i dont need exstended patience as each part is a model in its own right if i read your post propberly an understand it cheers for lookin in on the build as a lot more to come ATB to you Sir chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Tworrs on September 04, 2022, 10:12:40 am
A really fine outcome on that crane Chris, very well done. Garry
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 04, 2022, 10:39:24 am
Not been posting a lot but I’ve been keeping an eye on your build, must say it’s looking very good :-))
AN HI Dave nice to hear from you an glad you have been lookin in on the tiger build as yes its really gettin there now an to say im pleased would be an understatement lol some time soon im gonna fit her all togeather again to see what ive got an wheather it all looks ok an hope your venture is goin well now goin to fit more of the fairleads an bollards on the stern of her what you made me very nice of you many thanks ATB Chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Sealord on September 10, 2022, 12:28:01 pm
Hi Mate, everything looking brilliant as usual, the picture of the Helo in the water gives you a lot of information to study. good detail of the ships boat and the davits.. :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 10, 2022, 03:15:00 pm
HIYA Sealord m8 many thanks for your nice comments on my build an yes in that pic there is a lot of detail but i shant try an fit everything due id be here till doomday tryin to finish her so im fitting just the main bits an at the moment all the bridges S/S is all taken to bits so i can fit on more railins an fit crew figures in them two bridges an i was a bit worried on how it would all strip down as it hasnt been to bits for ages but it all came apart like a dream so onward an upward an are you goin to bring your eddinburgh up pond tomorrow ? chrisb :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 12, 2022, 01:53:40 pm
HI ALL WELL today only a small update on what is happening on her an here ive stripped the main S/S down to its main component parts so i can fit on more railings an paint up the bridges crew figures to fit them into the bridges an then it can all go back togeather again an here just the top bridge removed https://ibb.co/vdF84F3
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 12, 2022, 01:55:05 pm
an now the second bridge removed to fit crew figures https://ibb.co/h78dNhw
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 12, 2022, 01:58:07 pm
an in this pic all the main S/S components laid out all 5 parts an when done what i want to do then they will all fit back togeather again https://ibb.co/Rg4GsFK
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: ScottW on September 12, 2022, 02:28:05 pm
Background books are as interesting as the superstructure subassemblies. :}
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 12, 2022, 04:56:03 pm
Background books are as interesting as the superstructure subassemblies. :}
HI Scott well i gather you like startrek then ? :-)) chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: ScottW on September 12, 2022, 05:14:41 pm
Yes Chris I do. :} Because of several health things I don't watch TV and movies at all any more, never did much, but I do like Star Trek. Used to have the Starfleet Battles board and miniatures game and a number of bought and scratchbuilt miniatures. Through the Starship Modeler forum and a couple YouTubers I have kept aware of Star Trek Strange New Worlds and it looks quite good. Speaking of Star Trek, You Tube, and model boats ... ... from way back in 08, https://youtu.be/zQEsG4eKIXs (https://youtu.be/zQEsG4eKIXs) Not my model, though! {-)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 12, 2022, 08:46:31 pm
Yes Chris I do. :} Because of several health things I don't watch TV and movies at all any more, never did much, but I do like Star Trek. Used to have the Starfleet Battles board and miniatures game and a number of bought and scratchbuilt miniatures. Through the Starship Modeler forum and a couple YouTubers I have kept aware of Star Trek Strange New Worlds and it looks quite good. Speaking of Star Trek, You Tube, and model boats ... ... from way back in 08, https://youtu.be/zQEsG4eKIXs (https://youtu.be/zQEsG4eKIXs) Not my model, though! {-)
HI again Scott now that was brilliant with the enterprise in the water an pity the pool wernt black lol an yes i love the movie vershion as ive built an fitted over 50lights in my big enterprice in 1/350 scale an its big an here is a pic of my enterprise orbiting a red giant star lol https://ibb.co/sq8K7vL
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: ScottW on September 12, 2022, 09:06:28 pm
That works! Has a feel about it similar to 1970s-80s movie promotional material or a book cover illustration.
NO Scott its really my model by polarlights an a freind used a bit of computer trickery to get the picture an she did a super job an here is my enterprise NCC 1701 A https://ibb.co/jw5HYhw
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: ScottW on September 12, 2022, 10:05:21 pm
I didn't mean that it wasn't your model, I meant that is the flavor the finished image has to me.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 12, 2022, 10:15:36 pm
I didn't mean that it wasn't your model, I meant that is the flavor the finished image has to me.
oh i see well i love this ship as its my fav an went to a startrek convention to see bill shatner an yes we see him all of 5 mins an then it was pay up to get a pic of councceler troy an well we dint enjoy the day at all very dissapointing as the fans made the effort to dress up but the actors dint an was a very exspensive day an i wont go again an nor will my freinds who went with us
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 22, 2022, 09:27:38 am
HI ALL well back to my tiger build as cant do the guns yet as im waiting for the gun fire unit but the gent has been ill so i thought id fit on the safetey railins an by gum they are small them holes in the stanchions but im gettin there but still loads to fit on her https://ibb.co/qx7cvTW
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 22, 2022, 09:34:59 am
AN now some pics of the port side railins all fitted on the main S/S an ive also fitted some more detail on this S/S itself an ive removed both bridges to fit in the bridge crew members :-)) :o O0 https://ibb.co/SyF32qQ (https://ibb.co/SyF32qQ)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 22, 2022, 09:38:44 am
loads of detail i love doin this https://ibb.co/sbHyd0G
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 22, 2022, 09:39:24 am
https://ibb.co/rkSgBjW
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 22, 2022, 09:40:59 am
rear shot with the crane in as well https://ibb.co/Czzpgw2
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 22, 2022, 09:41:56 am
an starb side https://ibb.co/ftr7Y1p
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 22, 2022, 09:45:10 am
an be glad when i can refit them two bridges as i dont want to break off the eletric pins for the lights in them two bridges as they are very fragile https://ibb.co/sy0Srtx an thats the lot for today chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: derekwarner on September 22, 2022, 11:51:09 pm
Absolute superb detail here frogman3 :-)) ......one extra point ........ the flat green on the steel decks is amazing in blending into the background
Too many Warship models have the deck painting that screams out..... :o
10/10 for realism
Derek
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: ScottW on September 23, 2022, 12:21:50 am
Absolute superb detail here frogman3 :-)) ......one extra point ........ the flat green on the steel decks is amazing in blending into the background
Too many Warship models have the deck painting that screams out..... :o
10/10 for realism Derek
HI Derek glad you like my detailin work on tiger an now with the safety railin fitted im pleased that im gettin towards the finishin line but still a lot more to go on an be made an fitted as my wife jen helped me fit on them railing as she is intrested in helping me do this detailin work as she is a little diamon an the paint i use in that flat green is really meant for aircraft but ive found its also good for ships decks unless the deck is wood but ive never built a ship with wood decks an very much appreicaited for the 10 /10 for realism that will help my mojo no end an keep me at the build as im really enjoyin it now most of the hard parts are done O0 as ive now been building this model for over 3 yrs now an maybe another yr or two to the point of takin her on her maiden vouyge an i will be a bucket of nerves when that day comes as i have people who want to come an see her launched as they want to video her an put it on u tube but i bet some things wont work when i get to the pond :embarrassed: as my car is a sport with hard supenshions an i feel every bump in our terrible british rd'd so i dont think it will be smooth sailin but just got to hope that i can fix whatever goes wrong up the pond as i must admit she is a bit complex in her wirein an eletrics units an this is the most complex one ive ever built but if she will sail ok then it will be worth all the yrs of work ive put into her ATB to you SIR Chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 23, 2022, 08:54:16 am
You must be doing it right because the pictures are quickly bringing up memories of going on Dad's ships while he was in USN. :}
HI Scott yes i dont think im far off with the grey colour on hull an S/S as its humbroll no'64 matt light grey an exscuse me for askin but what ship was your dad on in USN ? atb chrisb :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 23, 2022, 09:02:36 am
HI Again Derek yes the grey i use is sort of a blueish grey but me boaty m8's have talked about the correct colour to use on warships an i find that its all to do with how the sunlight catches the grey as in the dull its the same colour but get the sunshine rays on it an the blueish grey then stand out very clearly ATB chrisb :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: tonyH on September 23, 2022, 01:05:26 pm
For the last few years I've used Vallejo paints on USN vessels. The manual from USN is on https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=US+Navy+instructions+for+painting+and+cementing which gives the full spec.Vallejo do WW2 colour equivalents on https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=vallejo+wwii+naval+color+equivalents which may not be perfect but the basics look pretty good to me. Tony :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 23, 2022, 05:06:54 pm
For the last few years I've used Vallejo paints on USN vessels. The manual from USN is on https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=US+Navy+instructions+for+painting+and+cementing (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=US+Navy+instructions+for+painting+and+cementing) which gives the full spec.Vallejo do WW2 colour equivalents on https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=vallejo+wwii+naval+color+equivalents (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=vallejo+wwii+naval+color+equivalents) which may not be perfect but the basics look pretty good to me. Tony :-))
OK CHEERS Tony chrisb :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: ScottW on September 23, 2022, 06:13:29 pm
The manual from USN is on https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=US+Navy+instructions+for+painting+and+cementing (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=US+Navy+instructions+for+painting+and+cementing) which gives the full spec.
Hmm ...
"Section 4-H ANCHOR CHAIN. Anchor chain shall be painted black, formula 45."
So does that imply that Vicks Formula 44 cough syrup is made from Navy paint?
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 23, 2022, 06:56:05 pm
"Section 4-H ANCHOR CHAIN. Anchor chain shall be painted black, formula 45."
So does that imply that Vicks Formula 44 cough syrup is made from Navy paint?
SOUNDS QUITE a mixture lol :embarrassed: ;D %)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on September 23, 2022, 07:08:42 pm
I think that the grey we use can be very much a matter of choice, I use BSI Light wetherwork grey which is the RN paint, just happened to have a gallon of it kicking about that got lost from HMS Illustrious {-) {-) I also have it mixed as a spray. If the builder thinks it looks ok then it probably is.
Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 23, 2022, 09:19:13 pm
I think that the grey we use can be very much a matter of choice, I use BSI Light wetherwork grey which is the RN paint, just happened to have a gallon of it kicking about that got lost from HMS Illustrious {-) {-) I also have it mixed as a spray. If the builder thinks it looks ok then it probably is.
Bob
HI Bob hope u ok an yes it proberly is chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 26, 2022, 06:45:06 pm
HI ALL well at the moment im fitting in the crew figures in the bridges but a figure painter i ani't as got the shakes but no worryies as they will hardley be seen in them bridges an first pic ive fitted a few figures on the deck to be in the lower bridge https://ibb.co/rkxzDsS (https://ibb.co/rkxzDsS)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 26, 2022, 06:47:19 pm
a here again in the top bridge https://ibb.co/kSQK7mp
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 26, 2022, 06:48:50 pm
an bridges lit up so figures can be seen https://ibb.co/w45b1Mf
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 26, 2022, 06:50:53 pm
overall shot with bridges s/s an guns now on the decks https://ibb.co/HYNy9LX
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 26, 2022, 06:52:33 pm
lookin now like the real ship so im gettin there chrisb https://ibb.co/dPGwnb4
(https://i.ibb.co/GWc4gsQ/IMG-7689.jpg)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: ScottW on September 26, 2022, 07:05:44 pm
Ahh, the classic, "To see the figures they'd have to get so close their eyelashes would touch the model and it is a good bet they won't get that close." :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 26, 2022, 07:10:11 pm
Ahh, the classic, "To see the figures they'd have to get so close their eyelashes would touch the model and it is a good bet they won't get that close." :-))
NO THEY wont Scott as they are glued down lol chrisb
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Post by: Capt Podge on September 26, 2022, 07:14:28 pm
Well, those figures inside the upper and lower bridges look really, really good all lit up like that. Good work Chris, very impressed. :-))
Aye, Ray.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 26, 2022, 07:28:16 pm
Hi mate, Lights looks brilliant, have you got them working on the rear half yet? :-))
HI SEALORD well yes all lights are working last time i fitted it altogeather but some new lights ive fitted in like the ones in the back aperturs they have not yet been wired in an same with the stern formation lights also so today untill i get the gun fire unit im just stoppin building an goin to fit the ship togeather an find out what works an what dont an why as the motors havnt been run for months an some other items havnt also an as im fitting the ship together again im goin to take up the clipboard an write out what no.s on the T/X works what as ive gotten a bit ahead of myself. So it gonna be a try out day see you tomorrow m8 chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Sealord on September 28, 2022, 12:42:24 pm
:-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
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Post by: frogman3 on September 30, 2022, 08:47:11 am
THANK YOU for the thumbs up Sealord so you are likeing how the model is goin then ? chrisb :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: C-3PO on October 02, 2022, 10:04:25 pm
Long over due - almost there.... just need to do some work on randon trigger time
HI C-3PO its just great brilliant will do very nicely as the guns on the real ship were automatic brilliant work many thanks to you SIR ATB Chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 05, 2022, 08:51:00 pm
HI GUYS just a tiny update today an ive been havin trouble to get the 3 inch guns to drop back down after they elevated when turret turned so jen said some elestic may do the job so i sent for some knicker elelastic from ebay an today i fitted a small bit an now the guns pull back down lovley she has some good ideas at times an pic of the turret with the elastic fitted in https://ibb.co/P1GQkPj chrisb :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Capt Podge on October 05, 2022, 09:19:13 pm
That was a good idea Chris and I think you already know this but, it would also be a good idea to cut another few strips of the elastic to the same length, to keep as spares in case the first bit stretches over time. Good to see the problem has been overcome. :-))
Aye, Ray.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 06, 2022, 07:02:21 am
That was a good idea Chris and I think you already know this but, it would also be a good idea to cut another few strips of the elastic to the same length, to keep as spares in case the first bit stretches over time. Good to see the problem has been overcome. :-))
Aye, Ray.
HI Ray yes but it was jens idea an yes it works a treat an yes if you look at the pic ive fitted in the turret a spare bit so its all bases covered as yes i dont know how long it will keep strecting but im happy at how thing are goin on tiger as she is gettin a bit heavy now ATB to you Ray chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Capt Podge on October 06, 2022, 10:03:57 am
if you look at the pic ive fitted in the turret a spare bit
Ah yes, I didn't notice that but I can see it now so cheers Chris and thanks for the update.
Aye, Ray.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on October 06, 2022, 12:05:03 pm
To show that there is no fixed solution, here is my version of elevating and depressing the guns on Phoebe/Hero, as it is linkd proportionally I have full control over speed of elevation/depression, and like chris's soluition it works for me
To show that there is no fixed solution, here is my version of elevating and depressing the guns on Phoebe/Hero, as it is linkd proportionally I have full control over speed of elevation/depression, and like chris's soluition it works for me
Bob
HI Bob well i thought of this straight away but it was no good for me yes it was ok while the servo pulled backwards an elevated the guns ok but when the servo pushes forward then it pushes the gun barrels down onto the deck so no good so i went for the flexible wire linkage soluition an it works a treat but guns will only elevate on one side only but if it works for you Bob then all well an good :-)) chrisb
Chris i assume then from what you say yours are either on or off and not proportional, hence the path you used.
Bob
HI Bob sorry but i dont know what you mean as im usein the same micro servo as you are in your pic an yes i think they are proportionnal as i cant see what you mean by on an off as my servos all four are linked togeather to work from one channel an yes the all work great apart from the micro servo pushin forward to push the guns downwards as thats why i fitted a flexible wire link from servo horn to the guns to elevate an not when pushin forward as the gun barrels hit the deck an thats no good to me :embarrassed: O0 AN Bob on my tigers deck where the 3inch turret is mounted there is a large deck area probberly a lot bigger than on your ships chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: RST on October 07, 2022, 05:08:02 pm
HI GUYS just a tiny update today an ive been havin trouble to get the 3 inch guns to drop back down after they elevated when turret turned so jen said some elestic may do the job so i sent for some knicker elelastic from ebay an today i fitted a small bit an now the guns pull back down lovley she has some good ideas at times an pic of the turret with the elastic fitted in https://ibb.co/P1GQkPj (https://ibb.co/P1GQkPj) chrisb :-))
I did say elastic was worth a try back in August...
I don't seem to get many good ideas these days, glad it worked!
Hope Jen's leg is getting better these days All the best to both of you,
Rich
HI Rich lookin back at your link an yes you did but i took a while to get some elastic but thank you for the idea as i said jen thought of it but forgot about your idea so hat off to you sir an no jens leg is gettin worst it seems an her bone cancer is as she has had a hot water bottle laid acrross her leg to ease pain but i thought she was improvin but she says good days an bad im afraid but thenk you for your concern an thoughts Rich ATB Chris an jen
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on October 07, 2022, 11:18:44 pm
Chris What I meant by proportional, was are you using one of the sticks to control the guns? if so that thats proportional as the turre/guns will move as far or fast as you move the stick, like the rudder. if its just on a switch then its not proportional will go flat out one way and same when switch is off. If i recall that set has 4 proportional and alll the otheres are on/off apart from one which is 3 way. Well you deck would be biiger its a crusier mine is a Frigate {-) {-) {-) but my turret is bigger than you 3" {-)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: RST on October 07, 2022, 11:39:50 pm
Hey Chris no worries. As you know my ankle is full of fancy titanium also -I'm only young at mid 40's but my surgeon was a very efficient German guy and I'm sure he knocked in a few extra screws for good measures. My foot always gives jip this time of year -it's like a barometer but regular as clockwork the past 10 years. I've had hot water bottles on my foot at night for a few weeks now -it's expected.
....Just seen your other comment with Jen, I'll PM you.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 08, 2022, 07:12:38 am
Chris What I meant by proportional, was are you using one of the sticks to control the guns? if so that thats proportional as the turre/guns will move as far or fast as you move the stick, like the rudder. if its just on a switch then its not proportional will go flat out one way and same when switch is off. If i recall that set has 4 proportional and alll the otheres are on/off apart from one which is 3 way. Well you deck would be biiger its a crusier mine is a Frigate {-) {-) {-) but my turret is bigger than you 3" {-)
HI Bob yes i am usesing a stick to control my guns but it at a altering speed as i have all four servo's that two servo's working my 6 inch gun turret an two working my 3 inch gun turret goin through a slowin down altering speed servo morph which i can alter speeds an all through one channel an when goin at this speed the gun turrets look very realistic an im very happy with them an could you post a pic of your gun turret with the guns depressed so i can see how much your guns miss the deck by ? cheers Bob ATB to you Sir chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 08, 2022, 07:20:39 am
Hey Chris no worries. As you know my ankle is full of fancy titanium also -I'm only young at mid 40's but my surgeon was a very efficient German guy and I'm sure he knocked in a few extra screws for good measures. My foot always gives jip this time of year -it's like a barometer but regular as clockwork the past 10 years. I've had hot water bottles on my foot at night for a few weeks now -it's expected.
....Just seen your other comment with Jen, I'll PM you.
HI Rich SORRY i did not know that you have the same problem as jen with all that metal in your foot so very sorry to hear you get a lot of pain in the winter like jen is now does it only hurt in the cold or is it all the time ? summer as well ? but not got your pm yet ATB Sir chrisb an jen <:( O0 :((
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on October 09, 2022, 11:03:55 am
HI Bob yes i am usesing a stick to control my guns but it at a altering speed as i have all four servo's that two servo's working my 6 inch gun turret an two working my 3 inch gun turret goin through a slowin down altering speed servo morph which i can alter speeds an all through one channel an when goin at this speed the gun turrets look very realistic an im very happy with them an could you post a pic of your gun turret with the guns depressed so i can see how much your guns miss the deck by ? cheers Bob ATB to you Sir chrisb
Here you are Chris, guns at correct depression, would add the gap between the deck is because nothing is firmly attached yet
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 09, 2022, 12:28:30 pm
YES Bob i see what you mean an very good two but im not goin to mess about with my guns anymore as it would mean taken then to bits an im quite happy at how they operate but many thanks for your pics :-)) ps nice gun turret an guns where did you buy them if you dont mind sayin ? chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on October 09, 2022, 12:52:29 pm
Thanks Chris, would not expect you to change to much hassles. Turret and guns (not finished yet loads more detail to add) from Scalewarship, they also supplied the RN tread plate you can see. hope jen feeling a bit better, trouble is with htis awful disease its good and bad days, hard to live with.
Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 09, 2022, 01:14:11 pm
Thanks Chris, would not expect you to change to much hassles. Turret and guns (not finished yet loads more detail to add) from Scalewarship, they also supplied the RN tread plate you can see. hope jen feeling a bit better, trouble is with htis awful disease its good and bad days, hard to live with.
Bob
HI Again Bob yes it is to much hassle to alter guns an knowing my luck id proberly mess them up so they would not work at all an i dont want do that as a gent is makin me a gun fire sound an gun flash unit so dont want him to go to all that work for a gun system that dont work so im leaveing them well alone an yes jen is getting good days an bad an feeling sick an she in alot of pain as the cancer is now in her bones an thats proberly why she did such a job on breaking her ankle in three places an the surgion shew us the xray an she has a three inch long screw right through the back of her foot holding all the three broken bones togeather an 2 metal side plates an loads of screws in there it was more like a scrap metal yard an he said it will be nr 2 yrs before it heals up so she can walk on it proberly so she is not good but she is a fighter an tryin not to let it get her down brave lady she is in my opinion :-)) O0 ATB Bob an you enjoy your build as have you put it on here yet ? as i havnt seen it chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on October 09, 2022, 02:40:28 pm
C3PO is building your flash bang isnt he? No not on here yet, finding it a struggle to motivate at times and its colder now, fair weather modeller me :)
Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 09, 2022, 02:57:25 pm
C3PO is building your flash bang isnt he? No not on here yet, finding it a struggle to motivate at times and its colder now, fair weather modeller me :)
Bob
HI Bob yes he is an im lookin forward to when it comes so i can fininsh off them guns an i only hope i can understand how to wire it up but it looks good from what i see on the utube vid an please put your build on here Bob as it would be nice to study a master peice in a build an yes i can understand on how you feel as i may be goin through this sometime but i will post an follow your build if you post it ATB chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 15, 2022, 07:33:01 am
Hey Chris no worries. As you know my ankle is full of fancy titanium also -I'm only young at mid 40's but my surgeon was a very efficient German guy and I'm sure he knocked in a few extra screws for good measures. My foot always gives jip this time of year -it's like a barometer but regular as clockwork the past 10 years. I've had hot water bottles on my foot at night for a few weeks now -it's expected.
....Just seen your other comment with Jen, I'll PM you.
HI Rich i never got your p/m ? chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: C-3PO on October 16, 2022, 12:21:09 pm
Finally found a few minutes to spend of this project.
A few tweeks yet to be made - now using the actual sound of HMS Tiger's guns firing...
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 16, 2022, 01:14:48 pm
brilliant C-3PO JUST HOW I WANTED IT many thanks Sir when do you think you will send it as i cant wait to rig it into tigers guns as both gun turrets turn lovely now an the guns also elevate brilliant work you have DONE yahhooo chrisb an jen :-)) O0
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: C-3PO on October 17, 2022, 09:26:15 pm
Hi Chris,
Tah Dah!! - One gun fire sound & light black box
Don't fall off your seat - Will be in the post tomorrow
WOW WOW C-3PO MANYMANY THANKS im lookin forward to seein it an all your hard work now when it comes ive got to get it workin an find a mounting place for it in the hull oh im pleased wish there were more people like you in the world would be a heck of a lot better place to live in oh im excited ATB TO YOU SIR FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK MUCH APPRECIAITED an no not fell off my seat but had a heck of a chokin sestion lol chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Tworrs on October 17, 2022, 11:56:10 pm
That is excellent C-3PO, a great result for Frogman3. Garry
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 18, 2022, 08:04:01 am
That is excellent C-3PO, a great result for Frogman3. Garry
HI Garry yes C-3PO has done a fantastic job on makein this gun fire sound an gun flash unit an im lookin forward to working out how to fit it into tiger but from what i see it should go in ok
its that the wirein is goin to be rather long as to start the main power will come from the PDU unit then off up to the knock on switches then back through the hull jiont on heavy duty wires to the gun fire unit an where im hopein to place the unit it will be directly below the spk so them wires will only be about a foot long + an - to an from the speaker
an then from the gun unit the power for the gun flash will leave the unit an go with wires right down to nr the ships stern then back up an through the hull jiont again an then to the main plug system that leads to the LED'S in the guns an then back down via the negative an again through the hull jiont to the negative in the gun fire unit
so i think i have it all covered on the wirein but if not then i may have to fit another plug system in the hull jiont hope not but its doable but i will be doin some exspermenting with the unit firstly before i try an fit the unit in the hull but i think that about covers it hope this is understanable to you Garry ATB to you an hope I/D is comin on ok chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Tworrs on October 18, 2022, 08:46:38 am
Yes, I'm sure you have the wiring right Chris, as you say, when you have the unit in hand it will all be a little clearer. Garry
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 18, 2022, 10:24:51 am
Yes, I'm sure you have the wiring right Chris, as you say, when you have the unit in hand it will all be a little clearer. Garry
YES Garry another challange to fit this unit in as i love to get things working on these ships but this tiger has nr as many working features as my nimtz aircraft carrier an boy did that take some working out regards the wireing but it all worked that why it took 7 yrs to build an get it right to sail ok but i hear that nimitz is now up for sale wonder who will have her next ? :-)) chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: C-3PO on October 19, 2022, 01:15:51 pm
HI C-3PO YES i can now see the wirein dio now many thanks but im gonna rig this up on a bread board set up before i try an fit it in the ship as yes i under stand the unit uses the led negatives wires to switch from one led to another an you say about only 4 wires wil be needed so those 4 wires are all the led's negatives yes am i right but ive got to have two more wires goin through the hull jiont for + an - from batt an neg return to the unit from the knock on switches so it 6 wires an then what about the postive from the unit as on the dio it looks like the leds can be fed + straight from the knock on swiches if i read the dio correct ? but im only just starting to study this dio so im takin this slow before i power it up an yes i'll make sure it the correct polarity an what amerage fuse before it to protect the unit ? :-)) chrib
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 19, 2022, 02:08:40 pm
C3POA really beautiful piece of work, that gun fire unit. Have you ever thought of making it commercially? Jonathan
HI AKira i think the gent is to busy with his life to do that chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Akira on October 19, 2022, 05:43:53 pm
"HI AKira i think the gent is to busy with his life to do that chrisb" LOL, yes I would hope so. You chaps across the pond seem to be doing a good job of keeping him busy! :embarrassed: I am envious...Cheers
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 19, 2022, 07:26:01 pm
"HI AKira i think the gent is to busy with his life to do that chrisb" LOL, yes I would hope so. You chaps across the pond seem to be doing a good job of keeping him busy! :embarrassed: I am envious...Cheers
HI AKira well he has done such a good job on my gun unit an i cant wait to fit it into my tiger but there are some bits that have got to be sorted out firstly an im in no hurry ATB TO YOU SIR CHRISB
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 24, 2022, 09:42:18 am
HI ALL well i cant get on on the gun unit as im waiting for a 3 inch water proff mylar speaker to come an then ive got to cut all the deck to accept the spk an ive also to remove all the fitting around the rear funnell an remove that also an fit in both knock on switches underneath the main 6 inch gun turret so while ive been waiting i have been busy building another seaking model an it was a cheepy for 50p in a plastic bag from a car boot sale an part built by someone but they gave up as it was such a bad fit but i have stuck at it to build it an its a fictional chopper as the decals fell apart when i put them in the water so had to use what i had left over from other kits an its a SAR vershion an may not have been on the ship but i like it as something different %) :o :embarrassed: O0 an im hopeing to have it fitted on at an angle on the flight deck as its 20 inches long an slidein door open here chrisb https://ibb.co/R7BGXRY
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 24, 2022, 09:43:49 am
an closed here as the door slid good in its runners https://ibb.co/bmvH6bz
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 24, 2022, 09:45:04 am
an some more angle shots of it https://ibb.co/GTZHJ6X
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 24, 2022, 09:47:32 am
https://ibb.co/02MMXsx AN i thought it came out quite good an it will have pins fitted to hold it onto the flight deck chrisb
(https://i.ibb.co/DWCCbrZ/IMG-7729.jpg)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Dan on October 24, 2022, 09:07:21 pm
Looking good Chris :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 25, 2022, 12:46:02 pm
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 26, 2022, 10:44:52 am
HI ALL SORRY guys but it looks like this build has been pulled off line by the image hoster perhaps ive used up my free allowance of pics so anyone new wanting to see this build i can only appollagise to no pics on the thread an if it gets worst then i will have to finish this build an close it down pity really as you guys have been so helpfull over the yrs many thanks to all chrisb <:( O0 :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: C-3PO on October 26, 2022, 10:55:04 am
Hi Chris,
Looks like imgbb is having some technical problems - many users experiencing issues right now
I would hold the faith and check back in a few days - fingers crossed....
Regards C-3PO
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 26, 2022, 11:08:54 am
Looks like imgbb is having some technical problems - many users experiencing issues right now
I would hold the faith and check back in a few days - fingers crossed....
Regards C-3PO
HI C-3PO hope you are well SIR an ok i'll see what happens over the next few days an i have now got my spk but i ordered the big one 12 watts in case the unit is really powerfull but really its to heavy to fit in tiger so ive now ordered a smaller 3inch spk that will fit in the ship but i cant test the unit out yet as i will be busy till next wk then i will assemble it an try it all out an fingers crossed ATB TO YOU SIR chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 28, 2022, 01:49:26 pm
HI ALL just a small update today on that gun fire an gun flash unit an i wired it up right how the diogram shows an volay it all works ok even though to me it was all back to front but like everyone im still learning on this eletronics its a crazy layout bit its all ok [/size]chrisb[/color] :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 03, 2022, 09:52:02 pm
HI Guys well another small update to say that ive wired in the knock on switches under the deck to work the gunfiran flash unit an may not look much but took me 3 days to get the wirein in as its awkward an havin to have a rest but its done so an one switch is in the on postion now till i realese it so the gun turret trains back to centre O0 https://ibb.co/DG65kpB
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 03, 2022, 09:53:25 pm
an here now in the hull its all wired in up to the hull jiont https://ibb.co/JtnLk3t chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on November 04, 2022, 05:07:56 pm
Blimey Chris, more wiring there than Tiger herself had {-) {-) {-)
Bob
HI Bob yes there are a few wires but they all power something no wires are decrotive an today got the gun fire an gun flash to work ok an im pleased just got to fit in the big spk in the deck nr the second funnell as just another yr an she should be finished hopefully :-)) chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Capt Podge on November 04, 2022, 09:28:28 pm
HI ALL SORRY guys but it looks like this build has been pulled off line by the image hoster chrisb <:( O0 :embarrassed:
Hi Chris, I just had a quick look at your links on page 1 and they still work! When the imgbb opens, your older pics appear as very tiny thumbnails (hard to spot coz of a 'total jobs advert) so just had to click on the pic and it opens to full size.
Like the look of your new helo by the way :-))
Ray.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on November 04, 2022, 09:32:54 pm
Hi Chris,
Been off line for a time, so my First question is how is Jen ?
As for Tiger she is looking good, hope you have a good record of your wiring
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 05, 2022, 06:55:49 am
Hi Chris, I just had a quick look at your links on page 1 and they still work! When the imgbb opens, your older pics appear as very tiny thumbnails (hard to spot coz of a 'total jobs advert) so just had to click on the pic and it opens to full size.
Like the look of your new helo by the way :-))
Ray.
HI Ray yes i see the link pics now do all work ok im glad to say well imgbb must have had a prob but all ok now an yes new chopper turned out ok as it was a crap kit an hardly anything fitted but i beat it into shape as i bought it in a plastic bag on a car boot sale for 50p an it will be parked on the flight deck hopefully with the workin seaking as the flight deck is fairly big at 20 inches long thanks for stoppin an havin a look in ATB Chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 05, 2022, 07:06:11 am
Been off line for a time, so my First question is how is Jen ?
As for Tiger she is looking good, hope you have a good record of your wiring
HI Dave isnt it ? an jen is not too good but takin it a day at a time but many thanks for askin about her an yes tiger is comin on now ive got the gun fire unit goin ok but now have got to cut all the deck to accomadate the big spk for gun fire sound be glad when thats done as its a complex job but it will get done over the next few days an i hope you are gettin on ok with your new venture an no on the wirein it would take me longer to make wirein diograms then fittin in them wires so if a prob i'll just follow the wire back to find the cause ATB Chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Backerther on November 05, 2022, 09:52:33 am
Hi Chris. I have been following your posts and was surprised to see your latest pics of wiring in the hull.!!! :o :o O0 It's too much complicated and I thought you must be some kind of specialist in the electric circuit. You are both a shipwright and an electric engineer.!!!!! :-)) :-)) :-))
Kiyo
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Post by: frogman3 on November 05, 2022, 12:53:52 pm
Hi Chris. I have been following your posts and was surprised to see your latest pics of wiring in the hull.!!! :o :o O0 It's too much complicated and I thought you must be some kind of specialist in the electric circuit. You are both a shipwright and an electric engineer.!!!!! :-)) :-)) :-))
Kiyo
HI KIYO yes there is a few wires but all are used an have power goin through them as i have a lot of functions on my tiger as may as well as there up to 22 functions on the channels so may as well use them but they all wont be goin togeather so they should all work ok an i like you PT BOAT very good Chrisb :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 06, 2022, 07:32:44 am
Hi Chris. I have been following your posts and was surprised to see your latest pics of wiring in the hull.!!! :o :o O0 It's too much complicated and I thought you must be some kind of specialist in the electric circuit. You are both a shipwright and an electric engineer.!!!!! :-)) :-)) :-))
Kiyo
HI again Kiyo an no im not specialist in the electric circuit .shipwright or an electric engineer.!!!!! :-)) :-)) :-))
AS im just an avarage modeler who likes to try an push the limit on what can be got working on a ship model so im nothing special but many thanks for your kind comment on me chrisb :-)) ;) %) :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 10, 2022, 07:11:51 pm
HI ALL another update on her an now fitting the big 12watt spk for the gun fire sound unit an here just trying to see if it will fit in ok an it does https://ibb.co/ZN7cqb2 (https://ibb.co/ZN7cqb2)
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Post by: frogman3 on November 10, 2022, 07:16:33 pm
an sound box covered over to hold the spk in place https://ibb.co/j4yMzsX
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Post by: frogman3 on November 10, 2022, 07:19:38 pm
top veiw of spk fitted in deck https://ibb.co/NrpZMy4
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 10, 2022, 07:20:23 pm
https://ibb.co/LtNdf1S
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 10, 2022, 07:23:24 pm
here in the stern section is the gun fire unit fitted an wired in https://ibb.co/Kz0n3b4 :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 10, 2022, 07:25:31 pm
an main power is now switched on a the pdu unit https://ibb.co/Hn3RDwW
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 10, 2022, 07:28:17 pm
here both gun turrers train an elevate an the elestic worked ok https://ibb.co/cJNpbgk
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 10, 2022, 07:30:09 pm
an to port side but not elevate https://ibb.co/YLvspHH
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 10, 2022, 07:32:23 pm
an the gun fire unit worked great an the gun flash in the gun barrels https://ibb.co/GtW4Svn
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 10, 2022, 07:33:08 pm
https://ibb.co/6mH43qF
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 10, 2022, 07:34:55 pm
https://ibb.co/k6H9pWF bang bang
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 10, 2022, 07:36:57 pm
an hangar bay lights all work may have to tone them down a bit https://ibb.co/s2J09Ss
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 10, 2022, 07:38:35 pm
hanger floodlight on flight deck https://ibb.co/DLNBPZL
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 10, 2022, 07:39:59 pm
an the gun flash will show in day light hopefully https://ibb.co/9c4mZWB
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 10, 2022, 07:42:17 pm
https://ibb.co/k3nj9Fd
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 10, 2022, 07:43:58 pm
an gun flash again in daylight https://ibb.co/PDRTpvK
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 10, 2022, 07:44:43 pm
https://ibb.co/Qd1RmHv
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 10, 2022, 07:45:26 pm
https://ibb.co/HBtYCtP
(https://i.ibb.co/vV3mh3d/IMG-7897.jpg)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 10, 2022, 07:47:09 pm
an all lights work ok on her https://ibb.co/kGBgD41 chrisb :-))
(https://i.ibb.co/10QfXr6/IMG-7890.jpg)
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Post by: Capt Podge on November 10, 2022, 08:49:21 pm
Fantastic to see it all coming together Chris and I hope you don't mind but I agree with your comment regarding the hanger internal lighting, it would look better toned down a little bit. Flood lights are really good just as they are. Great work :-))
Ray.
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Post by: T888 on November 10, 2022, 09:00:53 pm
Looking good Chris :-)) :-)) :-))
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Post by: Tworrs on November 10, 2022, 09:10:24 pm
Very nice Chris, looking good. Garry
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 10, 2022, 09:20:44 pm
Fantastic to see it all coming together Chris and I hope you don't mind but I agree with your comment regarding the hanger internal lighting, it would look better toned down a little bit. Flood lights are really good just as they are. Great work :-))
Ray.
HI Ray yes she;s comin on an im pleased that the gun unit works ok an for that matter everything works just hope it does when i get to pond chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 10, 2022, 09:21:39 pm
CHEERS glad you like her as she is comin on very well an im very pleased with her but its thanks to C3PO an that gun unit that makes this model so good cheers chrisb :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Chris67 on November 11, 2022, 05:40:31 pm
Hi ! A magnificent work ! :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on November 11, 2022, 09:37:05 pm
Hi mate, Tiger looking brilliant. Cant wait to come over and see it. :-))
HI BOYO well get better first an how you gettin over here if no car or will richard bring you an yes tiger is lookin great ATB CHRISB
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 06, 2022, 05:46:51 am
HI ALL well ive i have been gettin on with it an ive been building them ships launches but not all of them as ive had to fit them on accros the beam of tiger due to H/J an they have been little blighters to build as has i got the shakes that dint help but still two more small rowin boats to fit on the main S/S an a small cabin cruiser but some pics first an here is the small cabin crusier still in build will show the finish pic later[/size]chrisb https://ibb.co/C9zND3L[/size]
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Post by: frogman3 on December 06, 2022, 05:50:06 am
AN HERE i have started to build the big ships launch a cabin cruiser about 6 inches long https://ibb.co/M9tZ3MH
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 06, 2022, 05:51:59 am
an slowly gettin built https://ibb.co/3TrpZys
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 06, 2022, 05:57:44 am
an built an in its cradle on the deck an i have had to fit it accross the deck in stead of lenght wise due to H/J an ive also built an fitted the ships whale boats fitted in their deverts but cant fit all the boats that are shown on the plans as not enough room as these boats will lift out with the deck to fit in batt https://ibb.co/QNr4QWp
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 06, 2022, 05:58:42 am
side veiw of it https://ibb.co/PTxDXfr
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 06, 2022, 05:59:32 am
https://ibb.co/bFV1RJF
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 06, 2022, 06:02:42 am
overall veiw now today ive got too fit on the motor launch an small boats on the front section https://ibb.co/1LjKP9V
CHRISB
(https://i.ibb.co/Y3w81t9/IMG-7953.jpg)
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Post by: Rob47 on December 06, 2022, 07:44:41 pm
Chris you not going to do the cut out where the David’s go? Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 06, 2022, 10:26:58 pm
Chris you not going to do the cut out where the David’s go? Bob
HI Bob oh you mean boat devits fit on the deck an no i can do the cut out as i will cut through the main hull strengher bar that goes whole ships length an if i do that cutout then the hull will fail an i dont want that :-)) chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on December 07, 2022, 12:24:14 pm
not sure i understand Chris it looks as if they are on the joint and the thickness of your joint bulkheads would not be impaired, or is there a huge bar each side? Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 07, 2022, 04:55:58 pm
not sure i understand Chris it looks as if they are on the joint and the thickness of your joint bulkheads would not be impaired, or is there a huge bar each side? Bob
HI Bob where the cutout is on the plans an the build is about 3inches back from the hull jiont an its a half an inch thick qauqron to give the hull its strenght an if i cut through it to fit the cutout then that strenghening qaudront will be weak an the hull may then brake in two hope you understand what i mean chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on December 07, 2022, 06:46:26 pm
Chris I do now, shame really but more so if it fell to bits. Hope Jen is ok and not feeling cold to much
Bob
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Post by: frogman3 on December 07, 2022, 10:10:39 pm
Hi mate ,ships boats are looking brilliant .. whats the next stage ?
:-))
got too build another boat im afraid an then build the fold down netting wherethe seacat missles will be mounted an then i hope to just jion her all up to finf out where the power section in for the aperture lights chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 10, 2022, 10:05:05 am
HI GUYS WELL a few more linkpicks as yesterday i nearly dropped the SAR SEAKING so i thought id put both choppers on the flightdeck to see if they look ok an im pleased with the result https://ibb.co/NsF5Qn4
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Post by: frogman3 on December 10, 2022, 10:06:31 am
AN HERE different angle shots ot them https://ibb.co/PNMDNt1
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 10, 2022, 10:07:13 am
https://ibb.co/QKN8QQX
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 10, 2022, 10:11:19 am
an a SAR seaking in case the below happens https://ibb.co/mtt4LCr https://ibb.co/DV4Fjk6
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 10, 2022, 10:12:25 am
https://ibb.co/vqgFVgC
(https://i.ibb.co/3dG34G5/IMG-7964.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on December 10, 2022, 10:13:25 am
https://ibb.co/FgbvCH6 (https://ibb.co/FgbvCH6)
AN now got to fit the other 2 seakings in the hangers being havin maintence done on them when i get round to it chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Sealord on December 13, 2022, 04:33:36 pm
Hi mate, Helo's look fantastic, did you get the rotars and lights working on the heli ? I like the boat davits, you've done a good job .. :-)) :-) :-)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 13, 2022, 05:52:55 pm
HI MATE yes helo rotars the main ones an tail rotoars all go an all lights https://ibb.co/3RMt5Cr an yes im pleased with how its all goin an the ships boats turned out fairly well but got to build another one as there is a big space on the deck thats got to be filled many thanks for your nice comments boyo chrisb
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Post by: Sealord on December 16, 2022, 07:19:23 pm
BRILLIANT..... :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 19, 2022, 10:23:34 am
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 19, 2022, 10:42:37 am
HI ALL WELL ive got near everything wireded up on her apart from the aperture lights in the rear hull section but so it helps with the power reqirements i have bought x2 power booster to help with that an in the first pic its a 6 v feed an a 6v output on the meter an it can be ajusted up wards so if the batt starts to run low i should still get my power reqirement that i need for the ship https://ibb.co/5MKvVbp (https://ibb.co/5MKvVbp) an here ive increased the power on the portenshiner screw up to 12v from 6v an it shows on the meter dont know if they will be any good but to me the meter is not lyin https://ibb.co/bJwXDp3 (https://ibb.co/bJwXDp3) close up of the unit https://ibb.co/qy1BYJB (https://ibb.co/qy1BYJB) so i'll see if they will do the job that i reqiure of them to do but wont know till i try it chrisb :-))
(https://i.ibb.co/tmLc5Vj/IMG-7970.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/wsG4jDL/IMG-7968.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/6nsY0XY/IMG-7969.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on December 21, 2022, 09:37:18 am
HI ALL jen an i wish every one a very happy christmas an a nice new 2023 chrisb an jen :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Geoff on December 22, 2022, 03:37:24 pm
These work well but do be aware when you jump it from 6v to 12v the current drain from the 6v battery doubles - you don't get something for nothing! I can't see any issued with LED though as the current consumption is minimal anyway.
Cheers
Geoff
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 22, 2022, 09:25:56 pm
These work well but do be aware when you jump it from 6v to 12v the current drain from the 6v battery doubles - you don't get something for nothing! I can't see any issued with LED though as the current consumption is minimal anyway.
Cheers
Geoff
HI Geoff well im usein a 12v batt so hopefully it will keep the power up for at least half an hr to work everything ok but will see when i wire it in a HAPPY XMAS TO YOU SIR Chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on December 23, 2022, 07:35:38 pm
HI Bob yes fnstastic pics im very pleased at these pics very good an buy gum she's a big ship cheers Bob yes as sealord says pity but better late than never thanks Bob an the white lines are they for divers markings ? :-)) chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on December 25, 2022, 01:01:27 pm
Yes divers lines Bob
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Post by: frogman3 on December 25, 2022, 10:56:47 pm
THANKS Bob for that info as i thought they were :-)) pity i dint fit them on my tiger but to awkward as i cant see where they come to on the bow chrisb :-))
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Post by: Rob47 on December 26, 2022, 06:47:07 pm
Chris Easy to add and as for the bow location here you are. Here is what they look like on Bristol so gives you a rough idea, they do make it stand out as well.
Chris Easy to add and as for the bow location here you are. Here is what they look like on Bristol so gives you a rough idea, they do make it stand out as well.
THANKS Bob for this info but i dont think i will put them on my tiger as it may damage the ship bY turning it upside down ATB FOR THE NEW YR CHRISB
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Post by: Akira on December 26, 2022, 11:04:31 pm
"Divers Lines" are interesting. Are they an English "thing"/ I have not seen them before and am pretty sure that the US Navy did not utilize them( Those SEALS are smart, don't need no lines...) :} As an aside, I wonder how long the lines lasted in service?
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 27, 2022, 06:48:33 am
"Divers Lines" are interesting. Are they an English "thing"/ I have not seen them before and am pretty sure that the US Navy did not utilize them( Those SEALS are smart, don't need no lines...) :} As an aside, I wonder how long the lines lasted in service?
HI Akira yes i think you are right doubt they would stay visble for long by the time the crud built up on the hull when at sea an thats part of the reason why im not bothering to paint them on my hull chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on December 27, 2022, 01:30:55 pm
Mmm seals must eat lots of carrots then if they can see in the underwater crap They stay visible for yonks and are replaced. Look at image of QE and POW and you can see them on the bulbous bow
Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 28, 2022, 12:41:11 pm
Mmm seals must eat lots of carrots then if they can see in the underwater crap They stay visible for yonks and are replaced. Look at image of QE and POW and you can see them on the bulbous bow
Bob
HI Bob well regards them divers lines well i see on the computer news it said that them ships have spent more time in dock then at sea so if that the case then yes them diver lines would still be visible woundnt they ? chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on December 29, 2022, 04:34:52 pm
Chris Not true, QE has done here fair share, and has not had to go back for repairs apart from teething troubles it PoW that seems fated but why they are blowing it up out of all proportion is beyond me, media muck racking and even if she has been at sea the line will be visible, otherwise no point in them, they are a safety feature after all
Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on December 29, 2022, 04:39:56 pm
Chris Not true, QE has done here fair share, and has not had to go back for repairs apart from teething troubles it PoW that seems fated but why they are blowing it up out of all proportion is beyond me, media muck racking and even if she has been at sea the line will be visible, otherwise no point in them, they are a safety feature after all
Bob
OK Bob i'll take your word for it then :-)) chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 09, 2023, 08:46:21 am
HI GUYS well got another prob on tiger well a boaty m8 came over on sat to see her all put togeather an goin but i found that the small 3 inch gun turret the main drive servo has seized up an burnt out in this turret https://ibb.co/XSPHG3K
AN a underside veiw of the servo an gears that have jammed so im not lookin forward to havin to rework this gun turret but as i will have it all to bits i think i will have a go at drilling out the damaged 1an half mm led an fittin in a new one so then hopefully i will have all 4 guns flashin https://ibb.co/3Bsw5mV chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on January 09, 2023, 01:31:31 pm
Ah the joys of working features. Sure you will fettle it ok Chris
Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 09, 2023, 07:30:09 pm
Ah the joys of working features. Sure you will fettle it ok Chris
Bob
HI Bob yes the joys of workin features an its my fault somehow the drive gear came lose on the turret shaft an so i just put some C/A ON THE SHAFT an gearing an unbeknown to me it got under the gears an gluded them to the S/S an as the big servo smelt i thought it had burned out but thats not the case an it all in bits now i know what the prob is so i just need to fix it will tak a couple of days i reackon :-)) an hope you are well chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 15, 2023, 11:04:41 am
HI ALL HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL AN now not done much as been ill but better now thank goodness an back to that 3 inch gun mountin well i stripped it all down to fine some c/a glue had jammed the gears an i thought the big servo had burned out well i now find that the servo is ok so had a good think on them 1an half mm leds in one gun barrel had fused so as i would like all the guns to go i drilled out the bad led an replaced it with a new one pic below an here its just gently bein pulled through into the gun barrel but had to go easy as the wire are as thin as a human hair an will break very easy but got it al fitted in ok https://ibb.co/kqcL2NW (https://ibb.co/kqcL2NW)
(https://i.ibb.co/wp6nh5x/IMG-7981.jpg)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 15, 2023, 11:08:07 am
shot of them 3 inch guns with two good leds in now an they just be seen in the gun barrells https://ibb.co/8N7RNxQ
(https://i.ibb.co/zQ4LQ2t/IMG-7983.jpg)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 15, 2023, 11:14:26 am
but as the gunfire unit that flashes the leds is 12v an the leds are 3v so i had to fit in a voltage reducer so the power is cut down from 12v to 6v an the leds flash good so i though great but when i wired them into the gun fire unit i got a problem when its was alternating the gunfire flash it only worked one big 3 mm led in the main 6 inch guns pic below https://ibb.co/5BS9jHm
(https://i.ibb.co/jgQ5wXm/IMG-7997.jpg)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 15, 2023, 11:27:08 am
SO NO alternatig flash with the big main turret but it did then on the next flash work all the guns at the same time which in my book is wrong an here all 4 guns flashin with the gunfire sound but this is in a darkened room an i dont think the small leds will show in daylight when she is on the pond so im gonna diconect the small leds an go back to havin just the main big gun leds flashin aternatly chrisb https://ibb.co/FxTStMp
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 15, 2023, 11:43:58 am
AN Here the V/R fitted in bottom right an i thought this would fix the prob but no so im gonna remove it an use it eleware but i wil keep this all on the spare list as the gun turret still turns an elevate the gun barrels but no gun flash now https://ibb.co/0tBYLKC chrisb :(( :embarrassed: <:( %)
(https://i.ibb.co/8czPwbr/IMG-7982.jpg)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Dan on January 15, 2023, 04:40:38 pm
Shame about the smaller LED issue Chris, but like you say they probably won't be seen whilst on the water unless you plan on sailing at night? How good are the 1.5mm LEDs I was going to use these on my Ocean to light up the flight deck but feel they may not be powerful enough.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 15, 2023, 07:05:00 pm
Shame about the smaller LED issue Chris, but like you say they probably won't be seen whilst on the water unless you plan on sailing at night? How good are the 1.5mm LEDs I was going to use these on my Ocean to light up the flight deck but feel they may not be powerful enough.
HI Dan yes it is a shame an im >>:-( <*< about how much time i wasted on tryin to fit these leds in the tiny 2mm gun tube AS thinkin now i should have drilled out the guntubes ends so that i could have fitted the 12v 2mm leds i have but just dint think it through proberly but never mind an yes you are right these 2 mm look ok but to shine up your flight deck you will need ultra bright white leds 3 mm fitted in a bit of aluminium tube to give maximam reflection an fit a resistor to each one or 4 in in series from 12v an they will light up your flight deck great an any more pics of your ocean ? chrisb :-))
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Post by: Rob47 on January 15, 2023, 09:59:39 pm
Shame about the smaller LED issue Chris, but like you say they probably won't be seen whilst on the water unless you plan on sailing at night? How good are the 1.5mm LEDs I was going to use these on my Ocean to light up the flight deck but feel they may not be powerful enough.
I did not use resistors for Victorious flight deck, not needed, if you go to layouts for you they do a connector block that can run up to 32 LED without the need for resistor. It also allows you to select the brightness as well, all run from a 12 v batt, and roughly a tenner. much tidier as well. Depending on the affect you are trying to create, dont forget that you are not trying to illuminate the deck but provide a minimal light for flight path, not Blackpool illuminations. The shots of Victorious I have posted look just like that but that was with brightness right up for the shoots
Bob
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Post by: frogman3 on January 15, 2023, 10:25:30 pm
I did not use resistors for Victorious flight deck, not needed, if you go to layouts for you they do a connector block that can run up to 32 LED without the need for resistor. It also allows you to select the brightness as well, all run from a 12 v batt, and roughly a tenner. much tidier as well. Depending on the affect you are trying to create, dont forget that you are not trying to illuminate the deck but provide a minimal light for flight path, not Blackpool illuminations. The shots of Victorious I have posted look just like that but that was with brightness right up for the shoots
Bob
THANKS Bob thats where i get my leds an i'll ask about that connertor block but this is my opinion though bob yes my leds are bright but if you have minimal lights on the flight deck they wont be seen in the daylight when sailing an if you cant see them then no point fittin them is there as i have a boaty m8 who has just finish his boat an he made the nav light minimal so he says like the real thing but when sailing on the pond they cant be seen an he has had people say oh a nice model but why no nav lights so thats the reason bob why i use bright leds so they can be seen in daylight but this is just my opinion an up to dan what he want to fit ps Bob an you say you have turned up the brightness on your Victorious for the shoots so if you turn the leds down to minimal they proberly wont be seen in daylight when its sailing so again they need to be bright to be seen by the G/P ATB Chrisb
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Post by: Dan on January 16, 2023, 08:39:31 am
Thanks Chris! I'll have a play around with a few different LEDs and see what will work. I'm nearly done covering the hull on ocean. Didn't get to spend as much time on it as I'd hoped lately, but I'll have more photos soon.
I'll look into the connector block thanks Bob! Would be very hand to be able to adjust the brightness.
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Post by: frogman3 on January 16, 2023, 10:23:05 am
Thanks Chris! I'll have a play around with a few different LEDs and see what will work. I'm nearly done covering the hull on ocean. Didn't get to spend as much time on it as I'd hoped lately, but I'll have more photos soon.
I'll look into the connector block thanks Bob! Would be very hand to be able to adjust the brightness.
HI Dan well ive use seveal differnt leds in my 30 odd yrs of modeling when leds first came out an i find the best for flight deck lightin is the 3mm white ultra bright leds as if you fit them in a aluminumin tube the light wont splay every where like blackpool light but the tube will conetrate the light down in a beam onto the flight deck as i have found an when fitted if you are gentle you can bend them to the angle you want so they wont be seen by all an sundry :-)) chrisb
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Post by: Rob47 on January 16, 2023, 01:03:19 pm
I did not use resistors for Victorious flight deck, not needed, if you go to layouts for you they do a connector block that can run up to 32 LED without the need for resistor. It also allows you to select the brightness as well, all run from a 12 v batt, and roughly a tenner. much tidier as well. Depending on the affect you are trying to create, dont forget that you are not trying to illuminate the deck but provide a minimal light for flight path, not Blackpool illuminations. The shots of Victorious I have posted look just like that but that was with brightness right up for the shoots
Bob
Understand your point of view, probably as a user I get a bit more pedantic, nav lights and RAS lights always visible but rest really are for static
Bob. (https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2023/01/16/dimmable-distribution-board_T_2_D_8599_I_1163_G_0_V_2sellr800x800sellr.jpg)
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Post by: Akira on January 16, 2023, 01:58:23 pm
Rob, Wonderful looking distribution block. Would you please post a link to where you found it?Thank youJonathan
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Post by: frogman3 on January 16, 2023, 02:32:24 pm
Rob, Wonderful looking distribution block. Would you please post a link to where you found it?Thank youJonathan
HI Johnathan if bob dont get you the address i can but ive just got to find it FIRST its up in my man cave but im not sure if LAYOUTSFORYOU send abroad to the USA as they do model railways but i 'll have a hunt to find the web address for you should be able to find it tonight as cant do it now ATB Chrisb
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Post by: frogman3 on January 16, 2023, 02:35:01 pm
AN HI again Bob cheers for the picy of that board i may send for one when i can ATB chrisb
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Post by: Rob47 on January 16, 2023, 04:46:12 pm
Layouts4u - Model Railway Lighting,Scenery and Electrical Accessories (https://www.layouts4u.net/)
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Post by: frogman3 on January 16, 2023, 06:47:59 pm
OK Johnathan pleased to help you hope you get that board as im thinkin of it but will see as this will come in handy to light up my 100 odd 3 mm white ultrabright leds fitted in their aluminimum tubes to light up my tiger for when she is in a show but first i want to fit in them power booster an see if they will be any good ATB to you Sir chrisb :-))
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Post by: frogman3 on February 16, 2023, 09:22:48 am
HI Bob well im not goin to buy that unit that works several LED's as i have not got enough spare wires left on the hull jiont eletric plug in tiger unless i buy 2 one for the front section an another fo the rear section an ive always managed to light up my flood light LEDs before on my other ships so it would be a bit of a waste of money but it looks a good unit :-)) chrisb
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Post by: Geoff on February 16, 2023, 11:18:43 am
I tried using bright LED's in my Iron Duke model several years ago. They were visible on a bright sunny day so they do show up and do work, however the mistake I made was using too narrow a beam/lens. They show up if you are looking directly at the barrel so most are not visible if you are off just a small amount.
The concept with ID was that as one barrel ejects the smoke the adjacent barrel flashes the light and at distance the brain will see a flash and a cloud of smoke and make the connection. It did work but as above the lens spread was inadequate so the complication was not really worth while.
I concluded what was needed was a LED with a wide beam which could momentarily project past the end of the barrel to give the spread. Not too difficult to arrange but for me it was a further complication too far for me!!
Keep up the great work
Cheers
Geoff
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Post by: frogman3 on February 16, 2023, 12:21:01 pm
I tried using bright LED's in my Iron Duke model several years ago. They were visible on a bright sunny day so they do show up and do work, however the mistake I made was using too narrow a beam/lens. They show up if you are looking directly at the barrel so most are not visible if you are off just a small amount.
The concept with ID was that as one barrel ejects the smoke the adjacent barrel flashes the light and at distance the brain will see a flash and a cloud of smoke and make the connection. It did work but as above the lens spread was inadequate so the complication was not really worth while.
I concluded what was needed was a LED with a wide beam which could momentarily project past the end of the barrel to give the spread. Not too difficult to arrange but for me it was a further complication too far for me!!
Keep up the great work
Cheers
Geoff
HI Geoff it looks like to me you are talking about the led's in the gun barrels ? well im not talkin about usein the led's for that as i have but im talking about usein th leds for lightin up the ship for floodlightin when she in a show an lightin up the S/S with 3 mm ultrabright leds as i love to see this idea as yes a warship wont be lit up like blackpool but they are when in dock an open to the public as ive made all my ships light up as they can easysily be turned off if she was goin to a battle zone so their is no probs an pic of my norfolk lit up below an the public loved it https://ibb.co/wBZ8C7X
chrisb
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Post by: Rob47 on February 17, 2023, 11:42:55 am
HI Bob well im not goin to buy that unit that works several LED's as i have not got enough spare wires left on the hull jiont eletric plug in tiger unless i buy 2 one for the front section an another fo the rear section an ive always managed to light up my flood light LEDs before on my other ships so it would be a bit of a waste of money but it looks a good unit :-)) chrisb
Fair enough. Only two wires needed to run it so very easy. I wonder how managed before, love it’s simplicity, no hassle with resistors and each led different brightness if needed still it might mean moving wires in Tiger, but defo in Vic and Phoebe Bob
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Post by: frogman3 on February 17, 2023, 03:10:18 pm
Fair enough. Only two wires needed to run it so very easy. I wonder how managed before, love it’s simplicity, no hassle with resistors and each led different brightness if needed still it might mean moving wires in Tiger, but defo in Vic and Phoebe Bob
HI Bob glad you are finding them usefull them units in vic an phobe as i want mine all the same brightness to illinate the S/S the leds need to be really bright as i fit mine so they shine along the S/S an give a nice oval light as the leds are fitted in 3mm aluminium tubes so the light doent go everywhere but on the S/S as tiger is nearly finished as i havnt shown pics lately of the work ive done on her as i have not been well but ive treid to keep pluggin away at tiger as i just want her fininshed an hope this yr will be her maiden voyge yr but ive got to get over some probs of gettin her to the pond an still got to make her carry cradles yet AN HOPE YOU ARE WELL chrisb
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Post by: frogman3 on February 24, 2023, 12:14:09 pm
HI ALL well after reason bouts of illness I've now nearly finished tiger just got to fit some bumb bars an some rigging an about 100 crew members on her an she will be finished an ready for her launch sometime this yr but ive been plugging away on her to try an get her finished so here are some of the latest pics of her build state she is in now an first off I've fitted on all her main railings https://ibb.co/T2jXHx7
(https://i.ibb.co/F3ZvBLy/IMG-8047.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on February 24, 2023, 12:16:23 pm
An now some pics of her AN MAIN RAILIN SHOW UP OK https://ibb.co/T2jXHx7
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Post by: frogman3 on February 24, 2023, 12:20:13 pm
AN Life raft containers fitted but not all as these are solid resin an heavy so ive left a few off to save wheight as she is gettin a heavy girl now https://ibb.co/v1yjm2Z
(https://i.ibb.co/Zd4MKyW/IMG-8049.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on February 24, 2023, 12:20:55 pm
https://ibb.co/SnCjr4T
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Post by: frogman3 on February 24, 2023, 12:23:42 pm
an the big 5 inch high aireals are painted dayglow orange for safetey sake so people dont take their eyes out on them https://ibb.co/mRkPHJH
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Post by: frogman3 on February 24, 2023, 12:25:48 pm
ships launches an ive had to fit them this way due to hull jiont https://ibb.co/yY8J84y
(https://i.ibb.co/RBCWCj0/IMG-8053.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on February 24, 2023, 12:26:50 pm
midships detail https://ibb.co/BGDvDh9
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Post by: frogman3 on February 24, 2023, 12:28:30 pm
top of hanger bay again with them big aerieals https://ibb.co/hHMCXYB
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Post by: frogman3 on February 24, 2023, 12:30:23 pm
choppers ready to go https://ibb.co/QH0DC8n
(https://i.ibb.co/s17W65Q/IMG-8056.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on February 24, 2023, 12:31:28 pm
https://ibb.co/4f8b79k
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Post by: frogman3 on February 24, 2023, 12:32:41 pm
https://ibb.co/WfnBrLM
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Post by: frogman3 on February 24, 2023, 12:33:43 pm
https://ibb.co/F86LtMV
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Post by: frogman3 on February 24, 2023, 12:34:40 pm
https://ibb.co/gR1wTd6
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Post by: frogman3 on February 24, 2023, 12:35:26 pm
https://ibb.co/7vfqJG1
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Post by: frogman3 on February 24, 2023, 12:36:17 pm
https://ibb.co/7vfqJG1
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Post by: frogman3 on February 24, 2023, 12:37:00 pm
https://ibb.co/GvLw2YB
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Post by: frogman3 on February 24, 2023, 12:37:43 pm
https://ibb.co/3z1RzRT
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Post by: frogman3 on February 24, 2023, 12:38:34 pm
https://ibb.co/fDNNwzm
(https://i.ibb.co/SfmmC4q/IMG-8067.jpg)
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Post by: frogman3 on February 24, 2023, 12:41:35 pm
LAST OVERALL PIC of starbord side an this yr will be launch yr an hope i can get her to the pond without too many probs https://ibb.co/QMRzCJj chrisb
(https://i.ibb.co/x60Pf28/IMG-8068.jpg)
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Post by: T888 on February 24, 2023, 02:46:58 pm
Hi Chris, Been watching your progress on Imgbb looking good 👍👍👍👍
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Post by: frogman3 on February 24, 2023, 04:12:31 pm
Hi Chris, Been watching your progress on Imgbb looking good 👍👍👍👍
HI Dave glad you are likeing what you see an the model has turned out better than i thought it would so yes im very pleased only hope she will sail ok an be stable but that will be found out on the big day an i will be a bundle of nerves as to try an remember everything i will have to do to get her all set to go but i dont think them motors are man enough to move her so may have to fit more powerful ones an hope you are well chrisb an jen
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Post by: ballastanksian on February 24, 2023, 11:04:02 pm
Well you should be super proud of all that hard work over the years as she is gorgeous Chris!
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Post by: Capt Podge on February 25, 2023, 12:46:09 am
This is the culmination of a superb build of an iconic vessel of the Royal navy and I must congratulate you on a job well done. I hope her maiden voyage justifies all of the hard work you have put in to her and I look forward to seeing her on the water and, at some time in the future, on display. Congratulations Chris - she looks absolutely gorgeous :-))
Aye, Ray B.
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Post by: frogman3 on February 25, 2023, 08:06:49 am
Well you should be super proud of all that hard work over the years as she is gorgeous Chris!
HI YES im very pleased at how she has turned out an thank you fo your kind comment an just got to hope she will be a good girl on the big day an no probs ATB to you SIR chrisb
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Post by: frogman3 on February 25, 2023, 08:25:29 am
This is the culmination of a superb build of an iconic vessel of the Royal navy and I must congratulate you on a job well done. I hope her maiden voyage justifies all of the hard work you have put in to her and I look forward to seeing her on the water and, at some time in the future, on display. Congratulations Chris - she looks absolutely gorgeous :-))
HI Ray thank you for you nice comment also an yes she has turned out better than i thought she would esp after my recent illiness but i felt rotton but plugged away on tiger to just get her movin to the finish line just some 100 odd crew figures to paint an fit as jen is goin to help me paint them all up wont be a 100% as they are model rail way figures made to look like navy crew but best i can do an just to fit 6 bumb bars on the hull to stop her from hittin the concrete wall of norwich or sheringham ponds an some wire riggin to do then she will be ready an just got to hope i can get her to the pond without damage an then it will be test time to see how she floats or sinks lol an test for stability if she passes these tests then it will be ankors AWAY an i will be sweatin like heck Ooooooooohhhhhhh lol but will see on the day as a gent wants to vid her an put her on utube cheers Ray chrisb
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Post by: Dreadnought on February 25, 2023, 09:15:53 am
She looks great!! :-)) :-)) Dave:)
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Post by: frogman3 on February 25, 2023, 01:38:34 pm
Good luck on maiden voyage Chris, if she handles and sails as well as my Tiger you will have no issues at all
Bob
HI Bob MANY Thanks yes her maiden voyage will be a very stresssin day for me as i will be a bundle of nerves an a chap is hopefully comin up from sufflok to video her to put on utube an yes gettin her to the pond will be a challange as i dont want to break anything off here an our rds are very rough so she will get a bumby ride there but im sure there will be problems but just got to hope i can get over them hope you are well mate chrisb :-))
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Post by: Sealord on February 26, 2023, 12:48:19 pm
Hi mate, ship looking absolutely brilliant. hope to come and see it soon. :-)) :-))
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Post by: frogman3 on February 26, 2023, 04:48:37 pm
Hi mate, ship looking absolutely brilliant. hope to come and see it soon. :-)) :-))
MANY THANKS an ok MR SEALORD
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Post by: Akira on February 27, 2023, 12:36:46 pm
Absolutely Best Wishes for your launch and maiden voyage. A yea tot of splice over the bow and the taste buds will calm the nerves and ensure her safe introduction to her element. Just don't try to lick it off her bow :}
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Post by: frogman3 on February 27, 2023, 03:18:03 pm
Absolutely Best Wishes for your launch and maiden voyage. A yea tot of splice over the bow and the taste buds will calm the nerves and ensure her safe introduction to her element. Just don't try to lick it off her bow :}
{-) {-) {-) HI Akira thank you for your best wishes on her launch an i'll need a couple of nerve tabs up there when its the day an my wife jen will pour a mini bottle of champers over her bow an name her for her first voyge an hopefully a gent is goint to vid her for utube just got to hope she dont do a good impression of a sub lol an no wont try lickin it off the bow as we will drink from the bottle lol but boy will i be stressed ATB to you Sir from blighy chrisb :-))
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Post by: Tworrs on February 28, 2023, 08:40:20 am
All the very best for launch day Chris, you needn't worry mate, she's a good un. Garry
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Post by: frogman3 on February 28, 2023, 09:22:39 am
All the very best for launch day Chris, you needn't worry mate, she's a good un. Garry
HI Garry many thanks for your nice comments on her but ive got resaveations on her goin ok as there are probs with gettin her to the pond an if everything will go ok as the rds are rough around here an all that bumbin up an down im sure there will be probs but im goin to try an take all the tools an such to fix her up the pond as if all ok it will be a miricale as i dont think the motors are man enough so will proberly have to buy some better ones but i will do all her stability tests an leak test before she will get underway on her maiden voyage an i will be a bundle of nerves not sure whether im lookin forward to this day an wheather probs an gettin help from my house to get her loaded into my car is another prob but my freind paul said he would help me to do that as i cant as jen due to her bad ankle so we will see on the day CHEERS Garry hope i/d is comin on chrisb
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Post by: frogman3 on February 28, 2023, 09:33:59 am
{-) {-) {-) HI Akira thank you for your best wishes on her launch an i'll need a couple of nerve tabs up there when its the day an my wife jen will pour a mini bottle of champers over her bow an name her for her first voyge an hopefully a gent is goint to vid her for utube just got to hope she dont do a good impression of a sub lol an no wont try lickin it off the bow as we will drink from the bottle lol but boy will i be stressed ATB to you Sir from bligthy chrisb :-))
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Post by: Phil22 on February 28, 2023, 09:36:18 am
Hi Chris,
So glad to have found this build. I've been going through a few pages a day, it really is inspiring work!! You got a new follower and all the best with the first sail!!
Cheers, Phil
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Post by: frogman3 on February 28, 2023, 09:42:13 am
So glad to have found this build. I've been going through a few pages a day, it really is inspiring work!! You got a new follower and all the best with the first sail!!
Cheers, Phil
AN HI Phil glad you like the build an yes it is a bit of a long build but its 4 yrs worth an cheers for your best wishes on her first voyge i think i will be lookin through my fingers lol ATB to you sir chrisb
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Post by: frogman3 on March 08, 2023, 09:11:07 am
HI GUYS well another small update on her as nearin to her finish line an yesterday i fitted on i beleive its called the pantergraph wires goin from the front mast to the rear an it just unclips off each mast so i can strip her down for transport to the pond for her maiden vouyge as just got to make an paint her crew figures an she will be fininshed just got to hope she will sail ok chrisb :-)) https://ibb.co/jkNqWTb
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Post by: frogman3 on March 08, 2023, 09:12:21 am
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Post by: frogman3 on March 08, 2023, 09:14:02 am
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Post by: frogman3 on March 08, 2023, 09:15:07 am
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Post by: frogman3 on March 08, 2023, 09:16:39 am
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NEXT an lastly will be the crew figures chrisb
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Post by: T888 on March 08, 2023, 09:58:09 am
:-)) :-)) :-))
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Post by: Capt Podge on March 08, 2023, 10:09:33 am
Steady as you go Chris - your almost there now :-)
Aye, Ray.
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Post by: frogman3 on March 08, 2023, 12:02:03 pm
Steady as you go Chris - your almost there now :-)
Aye, Ray.
THANKS Ray yes not long now chrisb
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Post by: Akira on March 08, 2023, 01:11:03 pm
Almost there Chris. I hope that you will have an escort for her.BTY, what radio will you be using for the helicopters? :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed:
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Post by: frogman3 on March 08, 2023, 08:10:38 pm
Almost there Chris. I hope that you will have an escort for her.BTY, what radio will you be using for the helicopters? :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed:
HI Akira YES I THINK SHE WILL HAVE A TUG FOR AN ESCORT IN CASE OF TROUBLE AS MY BOATY FREIND HAS HIS SUN TUG THERE HOPEFULLY AN CHOPPER ON R/C IF ONLY LOL CHRISB
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Post by: Tworrs on March 08, 2023, 09:22:10 pm
Tiger is looking amazing Chris, well done mate.
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Post by: frogman3 on March 08, 2023, 10:03:43 pm
Tiger is looking amazing Chris, well done mate. [/quot
THANKS Garry cheers lets hope she looks as good on the wet stuff lol chrisb :-)) O0 %) ok2
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Capt Podge on March 09, 2023, 12:13:51 am
Hey Chris, have a look on page 73 of your build ( reply no.1806) it looks like you've forgotten all about those pesky little window wipers for the flight controllers bubble. {:-{ Sorry to point this out but better now than later...unless you intend to leave it as it is?
Aye, Ray.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 09, 2023, 08:30:08 am
Hey Chris, have a look on page 73 of your build ( reply no.1806) it looks like you've forgotten all about those pesky little window wipers for the flight controllers bubble. {:-{ Sorry to point this out but better now than later...unless you intend to leave it as it is?
Aye, Ray.
HI Ray yes you are right an i purposely left it to see if any body noticed an you have passed the test lol as i now know from your qeustion that you have looked through the whole build WELL DONE an yes i'll proberly do them after her maiden voyge as im not sure wheather i'll do another build as gettin old an will have nothin to do then so maybe them wipers but they are very awkward to make BUT MANY THANKS FOR LOOKIN THROUGH THE COMPLETE BUILD AS ITS MADE ME THINK WELL IT WAS WORTH IT TO PUT ON HERE ATB chris
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Capt Podge on March 09, 2023, 09:09:54 am
BUT MANY THANKS FOR LOOKIN THROUGH THE COMPLETE BUILD AS ITS MADE ME THINK WELL IT WAS WORTH IT TO PUT ON HERE ATB chris
Definitely 100% because your Tiger is a real beauty and you have put in a huge amount of work and it's been an absolute pleasure to follow - thank you for sharing it with us :-))
Cheers, Ray.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Dan on March 09, 2023, 11:06:50 am
Hi Chris, just caught up with your progress. A very impressive ship you've built there! Good luck with it's maiden voyage! I'm looking forward to seeing the photos and hopefully video!
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 09, 2023, 11:19:02 am
Definitely 100% because your Tiger is a real beauty and you have put in a huge amount of work and it's been an absolute pleasure to follow - thank you for sharing it with us :-))
Cheers, Ray.
AN HI again Ray im very glad to share the build with you all as if you found it enjoyable over the last 4 yrs then i can think well ive made someone happy as thats all that matters to me an ive really enjoy building her apart from the probs causein frustraion but you guys on here helped me over them probs so thank you all ATB all chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 09, 2023, 11:32:49 am
Hi Chris, just caught up with your progress. A very impressive ship you've built there! Good luck with it's maiden voyage! I'm looking forward to seeing the photos and hopefully video!
AN HI Dan nice to hear from you an hope your ship build of hms ocean is comin on an any more pics ? an yes just her crew figures to do an my wife jen is goin to help me paint all them then Tiger will be finished apart from what ray pointed out the window wipers on the flight controllers bubble but i can do them anytime after her maiden voyage an that day is gonna be hard work gettin Tiger down stairs an into the car so will have to load her up the day before an hope like hell the wheather stays warm an not raining an then i'll be a bundle of nerves gettin her onto the pond an then it will be test time to see how stable she is an how she sits in the water an then how she sails an by then i think i'll need a rubber room lol %) ok2 :embarrassed: :-)) ps an hope gerry will be able to come an vid her as he says he will spend the night at the pond sleepin in his car so he can be there to vid her an put on utube wow ATB Dan chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: madrob on March 09, 2023, 05:31:34 pm
hiya Chris, looks like another superb build buddy. you still around the norwich area...hope to get down to see you again this year
Rob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 09, 2023, 07:16:38 pm
hiya Chris, looks like another superb build buddy. you still around the norwich area...hope to get down to see you again this year
Rob
HI Rob yes she turned out ok so far but what will happen when she gets on the wet stuff is anybodies guess an yes still around norwich area but tiger will sail at sheringham as there i can go anytime provied i can get a parkin space at the pond side as in warmer wheather in the summer its full of holl makers be nice to see you mate chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Sealord on March 10, 2023, 12:46:38 am
Hi mate,,i like the rigging with the white attachments , I said they would look ok. Get some crew figures on it and bring it to life. Ready for sailing in good weather. :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Dan on March 10, 2023, 08:32:38 am
AN HI Dan nice to hear from you an hope your ship build of hms ocean is comin on an any more pics ? an yes just her crew figures to do an my wife jen is goin to help me paint all them then Tiger will be finished apart from what ray pointed out the window wipers on the flight controllers bubble but i can do them anytime after her maiden voyage an that day is gonna be hard work gettin Tiger down stairs an into the car so will have to load her up the day before an hope like hell the wheather stays warm an not raining an then i'll be a bundle of nerves gettin her onto the pond an then it will be test time to see how stable she is an how she sits in the water an then how she sails an by then i think i'll need a rubber room lol %) ok2 :embarrassed: :-)) ps an hope gerry will be able to come an vid her as he says he will spend the night at the pond sleepin in his car so he can be there to vid her an put on utube wow ATB Dan chrisb
Hi Chris, just take things steady and I'm sure everything will be fine! Dedication sleeping in the car, fair play to him!
I've got the Ocean hull ready to fiberglass, I'm just waiting for the weather to warm up a bit before proceeding to help with the curing. Once that's done I'll get some photos.
[size=78%]Cheers, Dan [/size]
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 10, 2023, 12:50:10 pm
Hi Chris, just take things steady and I'm sure everything will be fine! Dedication sleeping in the car, fair play to him!
I've got the Ocean hull ready to fiberglass, I'm just waiting for the weather to warm up a bit before proceeding to help with the curing. Once that's done I'll get some photos.
[size=78%]Cheers, Dan [/size]
CHEERS Dan yes i'll take a nerve tab lol on the day chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 10, 2023, 12:52:52 pm
Hi mate,,i like the rigging with the white attachments , I said they would look ok. Get some crew figures on it and bring it to life. Ready for sailing in good weather. :-)) :-))
HI MR SEALORD yes she slowy comin to life when the crew goes on board just got to hope none go AWOL LOL CHRISB
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: littoralcombat on March 11, 2023, 10:20:40 pm
HI MR SEALORD yes she slowy comin to life when the crew goes on board just got to hope none go AWOL LOL CHRISB
Hi Chris, I'm interested in where you will be soucing your Crew figures. There doesn't appear to be a lot of choice out there if looking for modernish RN. Some Flight Deck Crew available, but at an eye-watering price. Nige
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 11, 2023, 11:04:59 pm
Hi Chris, I'm interested in where you will be soucing your Crew figures. There doesn't appear to be a lot of choice out there if looking for modernish RN. Some Flight Deck Crew available, but at an eye-watering price. Nige
HI Nige no there is not alot of proper R/N figures so i always on my ship models use H/O railway figures an if they are cleaned up to look like sailors an officers then that what i have been usein an will use on tiger as lets face it they only stand an inch high so they wont look out of place on their details CHRISB
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 24, 2023, 11:25:24 am
HI ALL well the end is nigh of the tiger build just goin to fit on 40 crew figures an then she will be finished as far as im concerned an the figures are not accrute but will do for me <:( :embarrassed: then she will be ready for her maiden voygue but when that will be i dont know as need a freind to help me get tiger into my car an hope it will fit in ok an then gettin her to the pond an warm wheather an that can happen anytime due to this crazy wheather we get now anway some pics of the crew figs just painted an waitin to dry off https://ibb.co/h1dwbhQ https://ibb.co/jy2hFb7 https://ibb.co/0jN2tjp an forgot just got to paint some gold braid around the officers sleeveds chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Sealord on March 26, 2023, 12:41:08 pm
Painted figures looking good m8, Cant wait to see them on the ship. Are you putting any deck crew on for the helo's...? :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 26, 2023, 02:37:01 pm
Painted figures looking good m8, Cant wait to see them on the ship. Are you putting any deck crew on for the helo's...? :-)) :-))
HI MR Sealord yes im fairly pleased with the crew figures an yes will be good to fit them on Tiger maybe today an yes i hope to fit some figures nr the SAR chopper an some on the chopper in the hanger bay but i still have more figures to paint but i was murder painting the details on the figures as got eye strain an stress but should be better to do the others as i have today bought them mighty site mag glasses with small led.s fitted in them so should esayer on my eyes an they are very good but will paint more figures soon HOPE you are well m8 chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: ballastanksian on March 27, 2023, 09:35:21 pm
They look darn good Chris! I bought a load of cheap ones from China just for that purpose.
Lovely job.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on March 28, 2023, 07:35:50 am
They look darn good Chris! I bought a load of cheap ones from China just for that purpose.
Lovely job.
HI Ballast yes crew figures make the ship come alive in my opinion as a ship with out them looks dead but that just my opinion an did yours come ready painted or have you got to paint them ? chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 04, 2023, 10:34:03 pm
HI all well i have been fittin on the bow section of my tiger about 40 odd crew members an now as far as im concernced the front section is finshed for now an now paintng up another 40 odd crew members to fit on the stern section of her an then she will be finished just got to build her carry cradles an then launch day when warmer wheather but firstly some linkpics of her crew on the bow section an ive treid to make them all doin their jobs on the ship hope you all like them an when i get the back lot done then i will fit her alltogeather for pics just got to hope she will be a good lady an sail ok chrisb https://ibb.co/QdPF8D3
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 04, 2023, 10:35:05 pm
https://ibb.co/hFcdfWw
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 04, 2023, 10:36:07 pm
https://ibb.co/0ht9Tx8
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 04, 2023, 10:37:15 pm
https://ibb.co/vYXk58B
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 04, 2023, 10:38:03 pm
https://ibb.co/RgPN9Y3
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 04, 2023, 10:39:17 pm
https://ibb.co/SfBkPvG
(https://i.ibb.co/PDg2NC0/IMG-8109.jpg)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 04, 2023, 10:40:10 pm
https://ibb.co/2P842K9
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 04, 2023, 10:41:02 pm
https://ibb.co/ngHRJjH
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 04, 2023, 10:41:50 pm
https://ibb.co/TW3w3Pt
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 04, 2023, 10:42:41 pm
https://ibb.co/mvdfM8B
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 04, 2023, 10:43:39 pm
https://ibb.co/B21hZrN chrisb
(https://i.ibb.co/zVk3R7J/IMG-8114.jpg)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Capt Podge on April 05, 2023, 12:09:51 am
Some good poses there Chris and all looking busy too - great job!
Aye, Ray. :-)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on April 05, 2023, 07:14:13 am
Hi Chris,
Crew sets her off :-)) will be interesting as to which one of them is sea sick on her sea trails {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 05, 2023, 08:04:30 am
Some good poses there Chris and all looking busy too - great job!
Aye, Ray. :-)
CHEERS Ray yes i love fittin on crew figures as i think it brings the model to life as ive seen several bueaitfull models in shows but without crew they just to me look dead an yes i know in rough wheather all the crew would be inside the ship but mine are sailing in good wheather so they can be out on deck doin ship chorses lol :-)) chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 05, 2023, 08:21:10 am
Crew sets her off :-)) will be interesting as to which one of them is sea sick on her sea trails {-) {-) {-)
AN hi Dave hope you are feelin better after your accident an will follow your new build on here an yes they may all be seasick if she sinks lol but seriously im not very confident that she will sail ok as that top wheight on her has got out of controll an even with her counter balance wheights on her hull bottom im worryied that she may not behave very well as she is gettin heavy just as well she is nearly finished but im goin to do some stabillty tests on her when i get to the pond as cant do them in her test tank as she cant sail like on the pond as when she is movin an inertia takes over she could roll over like i see up norwich pond a chap put his lovely big destroyer model on the water an he sailed it out to the middle of the pond an took a starboard turn an it just rolled over an sank with just the bow stickin out of the water so that just one of my main worryies on the big day but wll see what happens <:( :embarrassed: an if the worst happens then i will be >>:-( chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on April 05, 2023, 09:09:42 am
Hi Chris,
I’m getting there but its very slow, I’ll probably not be able to start on my HMS Belfast build until the end of May.
We also had our Scale section Captan did the same when he sailed his new Fletcher class destroyer it sunk the first time it was sent out, he end up having a local divers in to retrieve it three weeks later.
May be worth attaching some strong safety lines the hull via the counter balance weights so if does do the worst happens , then you can retrieve it.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 05, 2023, 11:17:20 am
I’m getting there but its very slow, I’ll probably not be able to start on my HMS Belfast build until the end of May.
We also had our Scale section Captan did the same when he sailed his new Fletcher class destroyer it sunk the first time it was sent out, he end up having a local divers in to retrieve it three weeks later.
May be worth attaching some strong safety lines the hull via the counter balance weights so if does do the worst happens , then you can retrieve it.
HI again Dave glad you are gettin better after your accident an come the end of may will be lookin forward to your new build an regards the captin of your scale section an [size=78%]Fletcher class destroyer it sunk the first time it was sent out, he end up with divers gettin it back three weeks later WOW should think i was rotten bein in the water that long an dint the chap do any stabillity tests on his model before he set her lose ? an regards my tiger i will be doin them tests before i let her lose as there is a lot of monyies worth goin sailin there an no point in fittin a safety line to tiger as if she sinks she will be to heavy filled with water to pull in so only way i could get it back is go in after it as both ponds i sail at are congrete an only 3 ft deep so i would have to strip her down under water to her componet parts an do a bit at a time to get her back [/size] [size=78%]ATB [/size] [size=78%]CHRISB [/size]
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Akira on April 05, 2023, 05:19:23 pm
OK Chris,She looks fantastic. All done, crew aboard, batteries charged, Launch the Beast!! :} At least I have an excuse....4" of hard water.Best of luck, I'm sure she will make you proud.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 05, 2023, 05:58:39 pm
OK Chris,She looks fantastic. All done, crew aboard, batteries charged, Launch the Beast!! :} At least I have an excuse....4" of hard water.Best of luck, I'm sure she will make you proud.
HI Akira well thanks but im still doin the crew for the stern section of tiger an as regards sailin i only hope you are right chrisb <:( :embarrassed: %)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 12, 2023, 01:03:42 pm
HI ALL well the day is here that i can say tiger build is officaly finished after 4 yrs as far as im concerned so now when i have built her two carry cradles she will be ready to SAIL or or or sink AS the case maybe an ive today finished fittin on her another 40 crew members so all told about 80 crew an will put on sailin pics if things go ok when wharmer wheather firstly though some pics of her finished with all her crew on doin their dutyities an firstly the two choppers on the flight deck with their crew figures in place [/size]https://ibb.co/9p461Vr
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 12, 2023, 01:05:57 pm
https://ibb.co/NLn4G2d https://ibb.co/kB12Kz5
(https://i.ibb.co/Zh1Zbzp/IMG-8119.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/RbyT2tY/IMG-8120.jpg)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 12, 2023, 01:08:39 pm
https://ibb.co/r2hMbtP an some crew figures in a aperture in the rear part of the hull https://ibb.co/FbyT24Y
(https://i.ibb.co/BVQMb26/IMG-8124.jpg)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 12, 2023, 01:10:46 pm
https://ibb.co/thXtkyr an some crew members on inspection on the hanger bay top https://ibb.co/thXtkyr
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 12, 2023, 01:12:13 pm
https://ibb.co/thXtkyr https://ibb.co/1QTyrVT
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 12, 2023, 01:13:36 pm
https://ibb.co/n7VP8zx https://ibb.co/TYgqFtP
(https://i.ibb.co/YcK0TpH/IMG-8130.jpg)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 12, 2023, 01:15:53 pm
an here the flight deck safety nettin in up postion https://ibb.co/TB6RZMG https://ibb.co/gwrcMtZ
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 12, 2023, 01:17:10 pm
https://ibb.co/h166prt https://ibb.co/YDfwGyn
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 12, 2023, 01:18:31 pm
https://ibb.co/vm0v3KS https://ibb.co/hXyn9Qt
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 12, 2023, 01:20:02 pm
https://ibb.co/VTgXbzc https://ibb.co/9YqDD8X
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 12, 2023, 01:23:10 pm
https://ibb.co/9YqDD8X https://ibb.co/zSCN0z7 AN in this pic above i built a small1/700 scale tiger against her big sister
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 12, 2023, 01:40:04 pm
https://ibb.co/qsbMyWk https://ibb.co/Tc0byvX
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 12, 2023, 01:41:47 pm
https://ibb.co/xMFZNxx https://ibb.co/vsXnf7Q
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 12, 2023, 01:43:36 pm
https://ibb.co/vsXnf7Q https://ibb.co/vZbY0fw
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 12, 2023, 01:49:41 pm
https://ibb.co/1vnxdhh https://ibb.co/qsbMyWk AN that is the end of this tiger build after 4 yrs now just got too make up her carry cradles x2 an then when warmer wheather an if i can park up at either nowich pond or sheringham pond to launch her an i'll be a bundle of nerves on that day as there is so much that can go wrong but we will see ATB ALL chrisb :-))
(https://i.ibb.co/Ykv7Ryp/IMG-8150.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/DVbn8ss/IMG-8156.jpg)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on April 12, 2023, 02:19:59 pm
Hi Chris,
You must be please with what you have built ? Also after four years I expect your busting to get her on the water. Enjoy her when you do.
:-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Capt Podge on April 12, 2023, 02:32:25 pm
Congratulations on what has been an epic and fascinating build and this has been an absolute pleasure to follow. Cheers Chris and good luck with the launching of your Tiger!
Aye, Ray.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 12, 2023, 03:18:00 pm
You must be please with what you have built ? Also after four years I expect your busting to get her on the water. Enjoy her when you do.
:-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
HI Dave yes i am pleased but im just hopein she wont sink as that top bridge S/S is heavy an i built it as light as possible cant understand where all the wheight is comin from just as well i fitted keel wheights will find out on the day after stabilty tests ATB Chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 12, 2023, 03:23:20 pm
Congratulations on what has been an epic and fascinating build and this has been an absolute pleasure to follow. Cheers Chris and good luck with the launching of your Tiger!
Aye, Ray.
AN HI Ray cheers on the congrats an yes its been a build an a half wont do it again as to exspensive an glad you have enjoyed the build an yes im goin to need plenty of luck on the big day when warmer wheather comes only hope i can park up ok as at both ponds its a job now to park CHEERS chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: ballastanksian on April 12, 2023, 03:57:05 pm
In the finest tradition of a Radio Joe build, this has been an epic journey with you seeing your efforts and tribulations and experiments and successes.
I wish you well on launch day. Look for a non slippery place to launch from and don't drive too fast to the lake!
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Dan on April 12, 2023, 06:23:30 pm
Well done Chris! As expected it's turned out fantastic! (As expected). Another really good build thread complete. Easy for me to say but I'm sure it'll be fine on the water and it won't take long for the nerves to disappear! Looking forward to seeing it!
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 13, 2023, 02:51:23 pm
Well done Chris! As expected it's turned out fantastic! (As expected). Another really good build thread complete. Easy for me to say but I'm sure it'll be fine on the water and it won't take long for the nerves to disappear! Looking forward to seeing it!
HI Dan cheers for your nice comments an lets just hope she is ok on the wet stuff but she is gettin heavy now an ive tried to build light an whatch top wheight but that wheight has gone on the bridge s/s just as well ive fitted on her counter balence wheights on her keel but i think the wheight is the brass mast an the rear yard arms on the main mast so will see how things go on the day as if she will not be stable on stabillity then she wont sail an come home in disgrace lol an as you will find out dan that your ocean will be a back breaker due to gettin her to sit in the water propberly but with help you will be ok ATB CHRISB
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Dan on April 14, 2023, 04:14:21 pm
Fingers crossed for you Chris! Yes I'll have to find someone willing to lift it with me due to the weight! I have to find a lake I can park right next to the water as my nearest lake is a good 5 minute walk away from the car
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 14, 2023, 08:57:48 pm
Fingers crossed for you Chris! Yes I'll have to find someone willing to lift it with me due to the weight! I have to find a lake I can park right next to the water as my nearest lake is a good 5 minute walk away from the car
HI Dan well if the lake is 5 mins walk you really need a little a lttle trolly or a cart as that 5mins walk carryin a big model will seem a lot longer than 5mins but thats in the future for you ATB Chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Sealord on April 18, 2023, 04:51:41 pm
HI M8, Did you get the problem solved that you text me about ? the ship is looking absolutly brilliant mate, :-))
Is there a meeting at the pond this sunday ? my neibough wants to start building a boat so he'd like to come and have a look. :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 19, 2023, 12:39:15 pm
HI M8, Did you get the problem solved that you text me about ? the ship is looking absolutly brilliant mate, :-))
Is there a meeting at the pond this sunday ? my neibough wants to start building a boat so he'd like to come and have a look. :-))
HI M8 NO im still at it tryin again today an cheers for your kind comments on her an its great if your neibough want to build a boat what sort does he want to do ? an yes there is a garla day where you can get the car into pond ATB M8 chisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 24, 2023, 09:20:14 am
HI M8, Did you get the problem solved that you text me about ? the ship is looking absolutly brilliant mate, :-))
Is there a meeting at the pond this sunday ? my neibough wants to start building a boat so he'd like to come and have a look. :-))
HI M8 regards eletric probs ive finally worked out what i think is the problem but im not sayin yet till i do some experimeting an if im correct which i think i am then i'll need to do some rewirein in tiger to put it all right but will find out in a few days chrisb
Title: MOTORS AN ESC
Post by: frogman3 on April 24, 2023, 10:02:08 am
HI ALL SORRY but i just need a short answer to my question of a YES or a NO thank you if you answer now can it be possible to mix the old style of the batt powerin the R/X an Beec in the same wirein circut ? chrisb
Title: Re: MOTORS AN ESC
Post by: chipmonk on April 24, 2023, 04:01:38 pm
Hi there, the answer is NO. Use the bec circuit in the speed controller or disconnect the red wire between the rx and the esc and use a separate Rx battery. Cheers chipmonk
Title: Re: MOTORS AN ESC
Post by: frogman3 on April 24, 2023, 05:37:54 pm
Hi there, the answer is NO. Use the bec circuit in the speed controller or disconnect the red wire between the rx and the esc and use a separate Rx battery. Cheers chipmonk
OK Chipmonk cheers for your reply chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 25, 2023, 11:36:21 am
HI ALL well i dont know if you will understand this but ive found out what my eletric problem is on tiger so far an im pretty sure im right an below is a quick exslanplation of what ive done wrong an how im goin to get around it but will find out for defienet today[/size]WELL ive been up since 4 am as this eletric problem as gotten to me but up the pond on sunday i was talkin to a chap an tellin him my probs an i he told me how this BECC system works better than anybody elese has an i now know what i have done wrong. An thats ive been tryin to mix the old way of tryin to save money an usein old ESC THAT ARE batt powered R/X (receiver) to work servo's AN the newer way OF the BECC power to work the servos an no battrey to power the R/X which is the receiver from the R/C HAND SET so an to cut a long story short im goin too have to have 2 R/X (RECIEVER's ) IN TIGER an that one at the back to power the rudder an all 6 stabilizers an to also power theNEW 320 AMP ESC 'S X2 to POWER ALL FOUR MOTORS an also to power the bowthruster WHICH IS ALSO BECC POWERED in the front part of the ship .AN then the front R/X ( receveier) will power all things from its own batt power not like this BECC system to power all the other systems like all the 4 radars an all the lights an helicopter an red anti collishion lights an such but ive got to stop there as im pullin my hair out lol an im goin to try this all out TODAY how's that ALL hope you understand that as im only just gettin my head around it Aaaaaaaaccccccchhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh an tryin to keep calm ALL THE BEST TO YOU ALL an just hope im right as know this is a crazy way to do this but best i can come up with an so far ive got all 4 motors running ok so ive got a start an yes i could have it all running from this BECC system but i want to use two batts one to power the all 4 motors to give me plenty of sailin time an the other batt to power all the radars an lights an such chrisb :-)) [/color]
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on April 25, 2023, 05:06:00 pm
Chris Not sure why 2x r/x dont forget you will have to bind them to your tx, can that be done? How are you operating the stabs? not by linkage I assume, which is power free. It does seem a bit complicated, and I am a bit lost but good luck m8 sure it will work out ok, although stick with becc I think. ESC dont take power frrom the rx pack but should be wired to the main battery.
Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 25, 2023, 06:45:54 pm
Chris Not sure why 2x r/x dont forget you will have to bind them to your tx, can that be done? How are you operating the stabs? not by linkage I assume, which is power free. It does seem a bit complicated, and I am a bit lost but good luck m8 sure it will work out ok, although stick with becc I think. ESC dont take power frrom the rx pack but should be wired to the main battery.
Bob
HI BOB yes it can be done as my 2 r/x work bueatifully togeather from my T/X an yes all my 4 motors now work ok but the reason why im fittin in two R/X is because when usein becc everything has got to work from one batt yea well thats no good to me as i have two batts in her one working the becc motors an rudder for plenty of sailing time an the other batt to work all the 4 radars an bridge lights an helicopter an other thing like coolin fans an such an two batts for ballast now do you see what im doin but at the moment i cant get my bow thruster to work from this becc system as on the two ESC ive took out one red power wire that goes to the R/X that operates the motors so ive taken out the red power wire on the small esc that operates the bow thruster an soon as i conect it up to the batt trminals the motors wont work properly then i take them wires off the batt an the motors all work fine so thats my prob at the moment if you understand what im sayin ? as the bow thruster ESC is only a small ESC rated a 5v 1amp so ive fitted in the circut a voltage reducer to cut down the 12v power to 6 v so that should be ok for that small ESC but no joy ATB BOB chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 25, 2023, 06:52:39 pm
AN BOB im operatin the stabilizers by push rods from the rudder mountin an all 6 work great chrisb :-))
Title: Re: MOTORS AN ESC
Post by: frogman3 on April 25, 2023, 07:01:26 pm
HELP AGAIN PLEASE
HI ALL yes it can be done as my 2 r/x work bueatifully togeather from my T/X an yes all my 4 motors now work ok but the reason why im fittin in two R/X is because when usein becc everything has got to work from one batt yea well thats no good to me as i have two batts in her one working the becc motors an rudder for plenty of sailing time an the other batt to work all the 4 radars an bridge lights an helicopter an other thing like coolin fans an such an two batts for ballast now do you see what im doin but at the moment i cant get my bow thruster to work from this becc system as on the two ESC ive took out one red power wire that goes to the R/X that operates the motors so ive taken out the red power wire on the small esc that operates the bow thruster an soon as i connect it up to the batt terminals the motors wont work properly then i take them wires off the batt an the motors all work fine so thats my prob at the moment if you understand what im sayin ? as the bow thruster ESC is only a small ESC rated a 5v 1amp so ive fitted in the circut a voltage reducer to cut down the 12v power to 6 v so that should be ok for that small ESC but no joy SO is it possibe to have a third ESC workin from BECC with the red power wire removed anyone know how ? chrisb
Title: Re: MOTORS AN ESC
Post by: Andyn on April 25, 2023, 08:22:57 pm
Some photos would help…
Title: Re: MOTORS AN ESC
Post by: frogman3 on April 25, 2023, 09:02:17 pm
HI Andy WELL sorry but what pics do you want to see as my problem now is that i cant get the bow thruster to work from becc system as ive got all my motors to work ok chrisb
Title: Re: MOTORS AN ESC
Post by: Andyn on April 25, 2023, 10:12:49 pm
From what I can tell, what you’ve described should work photos of how you’ve set it up would help identify the issue
Title: Re: MOTORS AN ESC
Post by: frogman3 on April 26, 2023, 02:58:51 pm
From what I can tell, what you’ve described should work photos of how you’ve set it up would help identify the issue
HI Andy many thanks for your offer of help but ive now sorted the problem cheers for your time chrisb
Title: Re: MOTORS AN ESC
Post by: frogman3 on April 30, 2023, 10:09:40 pm
WELL HI ALL well got all 4 motors running ok from my BECC esc x2 AN thought id cured the motor problem but if i leave it in its present configureration it all ok but i was hopein to have a cutoff switch fitted in the system so i could just cutoff the back motors an sail on the outboard motors but yes the back two motors cut off how they should but when i release the cutoff the ECS wont come back online so no back motors only way i can get the ESC TO come back online is to switch off the main switch then i suppoce the esc goes back online again is there anyone can tell me how to get around this ? chrisb
Title: Re: MOTORS AN ESC
Post by: philk on May 01, 2023, 08:29:22 am
You could try putting the esc for the back motors on a different channel and just throttle them back
Title: Re: MOTORS AN ESC
Post by: frogman3 on May 01, 2023, 11:17:22 am
You could try putting the esc for the back motors on a different channel and just throttle them back
HI Philk thanks for your reply an really its not a solution to my prob as i dont really want two throttles an if i just throttle back the back motors back a bit then they are still usein power which is the whole point of the cut off switch to cut power completely to give me more sailin time but cheers for your suggetion thanks sir CHEERS chrisb
Title: Re: MOTORS AN ESC
Post by: JimG on May 01, 2023, 11:46:46 am
Does your transmitter have the option of mixing 2 channels? If so try putting the rear and front motors on seperate channels then use a mixer to connect them. Put the front motors on the throttle stick then use a switched mixer to add the rear motors. This way you can switch off the mix when you only want one pair running. Jim
Title: Re: MOTORS AN ESC
Post by: Colin Bishop on May 01, 2023, 01:04:12 pm
Why do you need to switch off the back motors. If you want to slow down or use less power then easing off on the throttle should do the job - or is there another problem?
Colin
Title: Re: MOTORS AN ESC
Post by: frogman3 on May 01, 2023, 02:30:30 pm
Does your transmitter have the option of mixing 2 channels? If so try putting the rear and front motors on seperate channels then use a mixer to connect them. Put the front motors on the throttle stick then use a switched mixer to add the rear motors. This way you can switch off the mix when you only want one pair running. Jim
IH Jim sorry new t/x an very poor instructions so i dont know about this chrisb
Title: Re: MOTORS AN ESC
Post by: frogman3 on May 01, 2023, 02:34:34 pm
Why do you need to switch off the back motors. If you want to slow down or use less power then easing off on the throttle should do the job - or is there another problem?
Colin
HI Colin why i wanted to cut out the back motors was to give more sailin time running on just two motors instead of 4 motors an if the wind gets up an not enough power then i could just hit the switch to go back to 4 motors hows that but it wont work on these BECC esc so i'll have to forget it thanks for your reply atb chrisb
Title: Re: MOTORS AN ESC
Post by: Colin Bishop on May 01, 2023, 03:29:25 pm
Chris,
Just slowing down on 4 motors will increase your sailing time. If you were to switch to two motors then they would have to work harder to maintain the same speed. Basicaly you only have a fixed amount of power in your battery. The amount you use will depend on how many motors you are running and how fast they are going.
So four motors going at half speed will be roughly equal to two motors going at full speed and use the same amount of power. (and so on down the speed scale).
Also, if you cut two motors out then the props will become a drag on the hull and the remaining motors will have to work harder to overcome it. So it is best in most cases to run all four motors all the time and use the throttle stick to control the speed. The slower you go the longer the battery will last.
A final point - if you have a single rudder thn the inner motors will improve the steering of the model as the wash from the props is likely to hit the rudder blade and help turn the boat.
Colin
Title: Re: MOTORS AN ESC
Post by: frogman3 on May 01, 2023, 05:17:03 pm
Just slowing down on 4 motors will increase your sailing time. If you were to switch to two motors then they would have to work harder to maintain the same speed. Basicaly you only have a fixed amount of power in your battery. The amount you use will depend on how many motors you are running and how fast they are going.
So four motors going at half speed will be roughly equal to two motors going at full speed and use the same amount of power. (and so on down the speed scale).
Also, if you cut two motors out then the props will become a drag on the hull and the remaining motors will have to work harder to overcome it. So it is best in most cases to run all four motors all the time and use the throttle stick to control the speed. The slower you go the longer the battery will last.
A final point - if you have a single rudder thn the inner motors will improve the steering of the model as the wash from the props is likely to hit the rudder blade and help turn the boat.
Colin
OK Colin i'll leave all 4 motors going then an try an fit a rachet on the throttle as on my T/X its so easy to push up to flat out an many thanks for your info on my probs but had all 4 motors going today so i think I'm getting over my probs CHEERS SIR chrisb
Title: Re: MOTORS AN ESC
Post by: John W E on May 01, 2023, 07:09:27 pm
Hi there
I think understanding of the speed controllers and how they work may help.
Basically, modern day speed controllers they rely on feedback from your transmitter to set up the internals of the speed controller. So, basically when you switch the speed controller on and then switch the transmitter on - the speed controller looks for the centre position of your stick. Also to complicate things more, inside the speed controller, keeping it very simple - your power supply from the transmitter to the speed controller and from your speed controller to your motor is all connected.
This is why you are having problems.
So, if you put a switch in between your battery and the speed controllers - it is interfering with the signal that is coming from your receiver. The next thing I think you should be looking at is a mixer if you haven't one fitted already. The type that slow down the outside props when turning, as you will find if you don't have your props turning in the right direction; Steamboat Phil will be after your model for straight running O0 . Take note about what Colin Bishop has said about the props turning inboard towards the rudder.
My experience of this was with my model of HMS Ajax; even though I had all the fancy mixers and whatnot fitted - I had the props fitted in the wrong direction and everyone thought it was just a free running model :-) . It refused to turn.
Good luck as they say, Happy sailing :-))
Title: Re: MOTORS AN ESC
Post by: frogman3 on May 01, 2023, 07:32:06 pm
I think understanding of the speed controllers and how they work may help.
Basically, modern day speed controllers they rely on feedback from your transmitter to set up the internals of the speed controller. So, basically when you switch the speed controller on and then switch the transmitter on - the speed controller looks for the centre position of your stick. Also to complicate things more, inside the speed controller, keeping it very simple - your power supply from the transmitter to the speed controller and from your speed controller to your motor is all connected.
This is why you are having problems.
So, if you put a switch in between your battery and the speed controllers - it is interfering with the signal that is coming from your receiver. The next thing I think you should be looking at is a mixer if you haven't one fitted already. The type that slow down the outside props when turning, as you will find if you don't have your props turning in the right direction; Steamboat Phil will be after your model for straight running O0 . Take note about what Colin Bishop has said about the props turning inboard towards the rudder.
My experience of this was with my model of HMS Ajax; even though I had all the fancy mixers and whatnot fitted - I had the props fitted in the wrong direction and everyone thought it was just a free running model :-) . It refused to turn.
Good luck as they say, Happy sailing :-))
HI John no have no mixer fitted as tiger is complex enough now for me anyway an yes props turning inwards to help rudder control an i need to have switch in between the bat an esc 's as they the fans on them dont stop till i switch it all off so they would be goin all the while till i took off the s/s an disconect the batt leads thank you jOHN for the info very helpfull cheers to you sir chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 03, 2023, 08:37:40 am
HI ALL well i think ive cured tigers eletric probs bar just the bow thuster an ive thought up a way to get that goin with out interferin with them BECC ESC so today i just got to tidy up the wiren that plugs into the R/X an just find out what cha 9 does as its plugged into the R/X but does not seem to do any thing as ive made out a list of all the functions but not cha 9 so on a search today to see where the wires go to what an then when done can write it down on the list an last the to make up a bob's board to work bowthruster an then should be test tank time in the wet stuff to see how she floats an check foe any leaks as the hull is already 4 yrs old so see how things go an if a succsses the maiden vouge time bob oh boy will i be neverous chrisb :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 08, 2023, 06:45:26 am
HI ALL well ive today now fainaly finished the eletrics in tiger as i still had to get that bow thruster workin as when i fitted in a esc TO WORK IT then the becc esc wont work the motors so there is some kind of sensor that the becc esc picks up in the circutry an they wont work so a big headache for me an after tryin several esc 's STILL NO GO so i had a good think how i can get the bow thruster to work an not cause the becc esc to cut out an ive finally worked it out by makin a home made esc from 4 mini knock on switches an as there is no eletrics from it to the R/X for them becc esc to sence it all works perfeckly an a pic of my home made esc that now works the bow thruster left an right thrust to push the bow to where i want it in case of high winds https://ibb.co/qB4S0kj (https://ibb.co/qB4S0kj)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 08, 2023, 06:54:10 am
An here the finished model of HMS TIGER C20 now she is already to go into test tank to see how she behaves eg. reagards how she sits in the water as i think she will float bow down as the wheight of all 4 servos in the bow to turn the guns turrets an guns elevation WILL result in me havin to fit some lead in her stern but will see when she is in test tank but to do this i need at least a couple of days of nice warm wheather so for now the finished model https://ibb.co/4j1PthS chrisb :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Capt Podge on May 08, 2023, 07:31:58 am
Hi Chris, it's good to know you've finally found a solution to the bow thruster electrical conundrum and hope all is well when you get her in the test tank.
Ray.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 08, 2023, 07:57:52 am
Hi Chris, it's good to know you've finally found a solution to the bow thruster electrical conundrum and hope all is well when you get her in the test tank.
Ray.
G/M Ray an many thanks for your kind wishes on tiger an i'll get into test tank as soon as i get warmer dry wheather as i want tiger ready for june 11 th if poss as its a warship day up at norwich pond so just got to hope i can get her sorted in time but this wheather now is the problem cheers Ray for stoppin chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on May 08, 2023, 06:32:55 pm
Hi Chris,
So pleased you got all your electrical problem resolved, wish you all the best with the test tank sail, just take your time check and check again and most of all be proud of what you have achieved.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 08, 2023, 06:59:10 pm
So pleased you got all your electrical problem resolved, wish you all the best with the test tank sail, just take your time check and check again and most of all be proud of what you have achieved.
HI Dave cheers an i will be proud if she sails ok an yes after all the eletric probs as i had more hair at the start of this build lol chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 17, 2023, 07:36:16 pm
HI ALL well the wheather stayed fine today so filled the test tank with water an got tiger down an on her table an just the hulls togeather with 20 pounds double batts in her an then she is in test tank an left her for half an hr an there was 6 small leaks through her stablilizers an her bow thruster an they were nothing bad just drippin in so removed the stabs an put vasalene on the shafts an then put her back in tank an that fixed the leaks im very happy to say an then fitted on her full S/S an well ? more later on an pics when ive resized the pics to load but firstly she fitted in me car just nice an here the bow section in the boot [/size]https://ibb.co/Kjc88X8[/color] an the stern section fitted ok on back seat ok [/size]https://ibb.co/V2NhKmVchrisb [/font][/color] [/size][/color]
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 17, 2023, 07:41:41 pm
an here some shots of her in test tank https://ibb.co/g3LbwWb (https://ibb.co/g3LbwWb) https://ibb.co/85PpkRX (https://ibb.co/85PpkRX) https://ibb.co/f1sLLjr (https://ibb.co/f1sLLjr) https://ibb.co/g3LbwWb (https://ibb.co/g3LbwWb) https://ibb.co/y8M43Wd (https://ibb.co/y8M43Wd)
next is her maiden voyouge up norwich pond on june the 11th on warship day chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on May 17, 2023, 08:02:20 pm
Hi Chris,
Looks to be well trimmed, I assume the 6 leaks were fixed with no major issues?
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 17, 2023, 08:36:34 pm
Looks to be well trimmed, I assume the 6 leaks were fixed with no major issues?
HI Dave yes they were leakin just drips through the stabilizers an an tiny drop through the bow thruster an i widrew them an fitted on vasealene an the bow thruster i just srewed it down very tightly an then no leaks but what will happen when she sails i dont know so just have to take it a step at a time i bet the prop shafts leak but as a navy guy said to me the real ships leak that why they have pumps in the bilges so its doin the real thing lol chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 19, 2023, 08:15:13 am
HI ALL forgot to put on this shot of tigers full lenght inship eletronics https://ibb.co/zFHWzB4
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Sealord on May 20, 2023, 06:41:43 pm
Hi Mate, ship looking brilliant on test tank, she'll look brilliant on the pond ! The figures bring it to life a bit ,, I hope i get to see it sail on warship day...
Dave,, :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 20, 2023, 09:33:57 pm
Hi Mate, ship looking brilliant on test tank, she'll look brilliant on the pond ! The figures bring it to life a bit ,, I hope i get to see it sail on warship day...
Dave,, :-))
HI M8 THANK YOU an yes so do i chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Akira on May 21, 2023, 01:41:29 pm
She looks wicked! I especially like the way you have her tied up side to an iceberg. :} :} :} :} :}
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 21, 2023, 08:45:51 pm
She looks wicked! I especially like the way you have her tied up side to an iceberg. :} :} :} :} :}
HI AKira yes she does look good on the wet stuff an yes thats a goodun an iceberg indeed as thats the test tank cover to keep the tank clean but i hope i wont need to use it anymore as i dont know if i will build any more ships as gettin old an mojo is goin awol ok2 {:-{ ATB chrisb :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 26, 2023, 08:17:39 am
HI ALL well the date for tigers launch is still on wheather permittin as i was still again havin eletric probs on them motors as i wanted to have all four motors running an then hit a switch on my T/X to cut off the back set of 2 motors so she can run on just 2 motors for enconomy sailin an it dint work before as when i swiched off the back motors yes the front motors went ok but when i came to switch the back motors on again no joy but today i had her all four motors running an cut out the back ones an then switch the back ones into the circut again an hooray now all 4 motors go again ok dont know what i did but it must be the eletronics but im now very happy with her just how i wanted it looks like she decided to play along lolchrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on May 30, 2023, 04:39:07 pm
HI ALL well as there are only about 2 wks to go for tiger's launch ive been thinkin on how i can know on the T/X what lever sticks or switchs does what on her so ive numbered them all from 1 to 14 with red numbers on the T/X an a chart thats stuck by double sided sticky tape on the back of the T/X so all ive got to do now is check the number on the T/X against THE number on the chart an i will know straight away what i will be workin on her while hopefully she sails ok an here a shot of the T/X transmitter with the numbers on an chart an no 12to 14 still are free channells to use on whatever i can think up linkpic of T/X with its numberes an chart [/size]https://ibb.co/BsnjS59 [/color] [/size]chrisb[/color] :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: ballastanksian on June 05, 2023, 04:19:29 pm
Crikey I was looking at your image of the hull wiring and thought 'I bought a Dreadnought project that looks like that last year!
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 05, 2023, 07:01:44 pm
HI ANY chance of a piccy of this dreanought ? chrisb
I'll see what I can do. I bought it from a chap on here about a year ago but haven't had the time to do anything to it apart from move the halves about!
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 12, 2023, 01:01:10 pm
Seen the photos of Tiger sailing, she looks very good, well done you must be very pleased with what you built :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
HI Dave just askin but where did you see the pics of tiger sailin as i have not posted them yet now goin to or was it some one elese posted the pics ? chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on June 12, 2023, 01:12:38 pm
Chris,
Seen them on https://frogman2.imgbb.com/ (https://frogman2.imgbb.com/)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 12, 2023, 01:28:48 pm
Seen them on https://frogman2.imgbb.com/ (https://frogman2.imgbb.com/)
AH I see Dave ok anyway now goin to post the linkpics on here chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 12, 2023, 01:33:15 pm
HI GUYS well Tiger went for her maiden vouyge an it was a bit of a dissopintment as i had trouble with her keep blowin 40 amps fuses but she sailed ok an was nice an stable an to my suprise Gerry w Wife Shirrley came up to see the launch with all her family an it was so nice to see them an was in a bit of a shock TBH but had a chat with her about poor Gerry but its a job to know what to say but she was very understandin an i was in a bit or a twirl in my mind as to what was the problem was in tiger but spent most of the day with the guys all havin a look inside tiger an some sayin bloomin heck look at the wires to which i just laughed off AN now some pics for you guys an boy was it a hot day got a good tan an so did jen anyway the linkpiccies [/size]https://ibb.co/gRdFmw4
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 12, 2023, 01:34:53 pm
https://ibb.co/yS5bvyc https://ibb.co/7S3j8Cc
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 12, 2023, 01:36:14 pm
https://ibb.co/nfB1xCB https://ibb.co/qnyHSsv
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 12, 2023, 01:37:44 pm
https://ibb.co/C0ST3yd https://ibb.co/2M14cyj
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 12, 2023, 01:39:04 pm
https://ibb.co/S3jkNvF https://ibb.co/1vjsLPr
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 12, 2023, 01:41:29 pm
https://ibb.co/ctNmmkP https://ibb.co/0QvC6mY
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 12, 2023, 01:42:55 pm
https://ibb.co/mvXZFv6 https://ibb.co/C8N2j0T
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 12, 2023, 01:44:26 pm
https://ibb.co/MSSSRqF https://ibb.co/YfvQx4F
(https://i.ibb.co/yPPP8LH/IMG-8258.jpg)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 12, 2023, 01:53:06 pm
https://ibb.co/1bC36sz AN Last pic as she dint sail for many mins as she kept blowin 40 amp fuses an im fairly sure ive got some bad motors in so im goin to change them for better motors when i can get some as the ones i used came from my brother as he does eletric flight an he did say there might be some probs with them but i treid them an ran them an they seemed ok but when on the water with water prop load then it blew them fuses but just on the motor my brother gave me an the back johnsons went ok but she was slow sailin when she was ok before the fuses blew an terrible turning circle must have been 50 ft so im not happy with her an she is back in drydock for modifications chrisb >>:-( <*<
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on June 12, 2023, 02:10:40 pm
Hi Chris,
This is the part of modelling I enjoy, problem solving, I know you will get there in the end. :-))
Pictures look good
Title: MOTORS
Post by: frogman3 on June 12, 2023, 03:03:45 pm
HI ALL just askin for some advise here as tiger sailed ok an a good trim an very stable but the old motors i have fitted in her need to come out as they keep blowin 40 amp fuses an i was tryin to save on dosh but im not goin to worry now so can anybody direct me to some good 7v to 15v brushed motors as i need some powerfull motors as tiger is really heavy an its takin a lot of boost to get her movin ? so can anybody help me ? chrisb <:(
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 12, 2023, 03:28:30 pm
This is the part of modelling I enjoy, problem solving, I know you will get there in the end. :-))
Pictures look good
HI Dave well you may enjoy problem solvin but im at my wits end as ive changded the ESC an the motors about 5 times because of these probs but now ive bought some good esc all the problem is now is which motors to buy as at the moment i havnt got a clue but 7 v through to 15v there about if i can get 4 motors as yesterday was a good day to see her sail but not when the fuses blew after only a few mins sailin an i hate havin to take the ship apart like i did yesterday an what with the heat of the day i was not enjoyin myself an was shattered when jen an i was shattered when we got home an i left unloading tiger till today chrisb
Title: Re: MOTORS
Post by: davem99 on June 12, 2023, 03:46:21 pm
We need a little more info please regarding tiger (type of vessel, length, breadth, weight. No. of props and pitch/size). What speed controller(s) are you using? Without knowing about your tiger it is difficult to give any advice. davem99.
Title: Re: MOTORS
Post by: Martin (Admin) on June 12, 2023, 04:54:31 pm
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: JohnG on June 12, 2023, 06:13:07 pm
Lovely to see her. thanks for sharing. sorry to hear of the motor/power frustrations - hope you solve it. (on the bright side, at least the fuses are doing what they're supposed to...!) she looks really impressive on the water - the clean detailing is super to see. - do the signal flags spell out a message? hope i see her in person some day! john g
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 12, 2023, 08:11:43 pm
Lovely to see her. thanks for sharing. sorry to hear of the motor/power frustrations - hope you solve it. (on the bright side, at least the fuses are doing what they're supposed to...!) she looks really impressive on the water - the clean detailing is super to see. - do the signal flags spell out a message? hope i see her in person some day! john g
HI JohnG GLAD you like her yes she does look nice on the wet stuff an yes im only just now thinking about the motors but there is no hurry a yes the fuses were a little too good at their job but better than any damage in the ESC 's or such an yes if i rember rightly one line spells out tiger an the other the ships call sign if i have them right that is an yes hope you do see her in the flesh so to speak ATB Chrisb
Title: Re: MOTORS
Post by: Shipmate60 on June 12, 2023, 10:23:13 pm
What motors were in her Chris?
Bob
Title: Re: MOTORS
Post by: tonyH on June 13, 2023, 08:52:34 am
This is an early pic on the thread....may have been changed?
Title: Re: MOTORS
Post by: canabus on June 13, 2023, 02:05:27 pm
The motors look like 380's !!!
540 65 turn rock crawler motors on 12 volts about 11,000 rpm (free running) would be the maximum rpm of 30mm 5 blade props and 35mm props 10,000 rpm.
Canabus
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on June 13, 2023, 03:25:06 pm
Hi Chris, bit of a downer day for you, especially as I had a brilliant day at Bournville Navy Day. Reworked Bristol was absolutely running spot on and lovely weather and clear flat water. . 50 ft you must be near scale turning circle for that. Still good images from the day and better next time I am sure.
Title: Re: MOTORS
Post by: Andyn on June 13, 2023, 06:39:03 pm
Someone pass the microscope so I can see that motor %)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 13, 2023, 08:43:58 pm
HI Bob yes pretty fed up on the big day as fuses blown an just took the motors over my brothers as he is good at eletrics an he found no.4 motor is faulty so im goin to wings an wheels at the end of this month an will buy 4 brand new motors to fit in her an hope that will cure the prob an the reason i think it took so long to turn was she never got up to speed up so the rudder dint bite an love your bristolan glad you had a nice day atb chrisb an jen :-))
Title: Re: MOTORS
Post by: frogman3 on June 13, 2023, 09:06:05 pm
SORRY GUYS have been out now the motors have chachged about 4 time but the motors i ended up sailing her were nearest to the rudder was 2 x johnsons cant tell anymore as no details came with them an the bigger motors are graupner 600 speed motors an my brother tested them tonight an he says no. 4 is faulty an may be the cause of the fusein but many thanks guys for you input all but im thinkin of goin to wings an wheels at end of the month an buyin 4 bbrand new motors to sort it cheers all chrisb
Title: Re: MOTORS
Post by: Martin (Admin) on June 14, 2023, 02:11:45 pm
Try four of these Chris!
775 3500-9000RPM Large Torque High Speed Motor Gear Ball Bearings- DC12V-36V
Title: Re: MOTORS
Post by: frogman3 on June 14, 2023, 02:42:43 pm
HI Martin i think i did get two of these motors an the guys on here said they are to much current drain so i took them back to the shop an im goin to replace all 4 motors with the all the same as thats been my trouble mixin motors an im hopein to get 4 motors the size an voltage an shaft size at wings an wheels at end of month but many thanks for your help Sir ATB chrisb :-))
Title: Re: MOTORS
Post by: Martin (Admin) on June 14, 2023, 05:48:49 pm
I'll see you there! :-))
Title: Re: MOTORS
Post by: frogman3 on June 14, 2023, 06:06:02 pm
Title: Re: MOTORS
Post by: tonyH on June 14, 2023, 07:32:13 pm
Or 4 of these at under a tenner each. 4800 revs, decent torque and low power drain. https://www.componentshop.co.uk/mabuchi-555-dc-motor.html.html (https://www.componentshop.co.uk/mabuchi-555-dc-motor.html.html) I've a single one in a 12lb trawler with a 3 inch prop and it's got good pull from a standing start with a soft start ESC. :-))
Title: Re: MOTORS
Post by: frogman3 on June 14, 2023, 09:38:48 pm
thanks Tony i'll have a think ;) on them if i cant get what i want at w/wshow cheers chrisb :-))
Title: Re: MOTORS
Post by: Andyn on June 14, 2023, 09:56:18 pm
For my 2p, I’d definitely go with 555 motors. I’ve had them in boats in the past drawing just a couple of amps on full bore :-))
Title: Re: MOTORS
Post by: Shipmate60 on June 15, 2023, 11:21:22 am
Yes 555's all the way.
Bob
Title: Re: MOTORS
Post by: HMS Invisible on June 15, 2023, 10:50:23 pm
Would those who advised fogman3 to use a 555 motor also suggest a 555 if the same prop was on a 1/72 Flower Class corvette or would there be a more suitable alternative for a flower class in 1/72?
Title: Re: MOTORS
Post by: NickelBelter on June 17, 2023, 12:33:57 am
Would those who advised fogman3 to use a 555 motor also suggest a 555 if the same prop was on a 1/72 Flower Class corvette or would there be a more suitable alternative for a flower class in 1/72?
Yes, you size the motor to the prop not the hull. A 555 would do nicely to turn the 30mm prop on a Flower, but you might go up to an 8.4 or 9v pack for best performance.
Title: Re: MOTORS
Post by: HMS Invisible on June 17, 2023, 09:19:51 am
Yes, you size the motor to the prop not the hull. A 555 would do nicely to turn the 30mm prop on a Flower, but you might go up to an 8.4 or 9v pack for best performance.
Can anyone state a logical counter argument to NickelBelter's?
frogman3 et al. I attach an image of 555 data which can be copied and pasted. The version on sale will be the 55-turn 3255 (https://i.postimg.cc/bs6P3BbW/555-data.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bs6P3BbW) It doesn't show the power curve which peaks at 50% of the no-load rpm. To get a picture of that:- goggle motor curves (https://www.google.com/search?q=dc+motor+curves)
An easy to understand graphical comparison can be made with the 600, the drill motors or 385 by referreng voltage and related tabular data, up or down, to equalise peak power on each motor. I suspect the drill motors were overloaded in the last iteration.
A £7 infra red tachometer (https://www.ebay.co.uk/b/Test-Equipment-Digital-Tachometers/181970/bn_16570752) tells you in a second if a motor is overloaded. If the motor is below 50% of no-load rpm, gear down or switch motor or prop.
Title: Re: MOTORS
Post by: Shipmate60 on June 17, 2023, 05:03:40 pm
I know a RE 385 on 6 volts via a 30mm brass prop powers a 1/72 scale Flower Class Corvette convincingly.
Bob
Title: Re: MOTORS
Post by: chas on June 17, 2023, 07:05:18 pm
My flower class has had a 385 in it for 15 years, with a 7.2 volt battery I run on half throttle. It's probably the ideal motor for these.
Title: Re: MOTORS
Post by: HMS Invisible on June 17, 2023, 10:34:40 pm
HI ALL just askin for some advise here as tiger sailed ok an a good trim an very stable but the old motors i have fitted in her need to come out as they keep blowin 40 amp fuses an i was tryin to save on dosh but im not goin to worry now so can anybody direct me to some good 7v to 15v brushed motors as i need some powerfull motors as tiger is really heavy an its takin a lot of boost to get her movin ? so can anybody help me ? chrisb <:(
Chris, I think I saw a photo of coarse pitched scale brass props on your build thread and I think I saw the figure 30mm mentioned somewhere. On 12v the 555 would measure in the region of 3~3.5 amps at 3,000 to 2750 rpm. In my opinion the 555 is the optimum choice.
Question for those considering efficiency, endurance or optimum by a definition other than cost. I have a 30mm scale brass prop sold by Radestock recommended the 1/72 Flower Class corvette. It was a near match to the plastic kit rendering. If it gives the same rpm and current measurements above then, to match the same rpm (or power output) an RE385 motor will draw what?
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Sealord on June 18, 2023, 03:39:28 pm
Hi mate , ship looks brilliant on the water, i hope to see it sailing soon. :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 18, 2023, 05:06:18 pm
Hi mate , ship looks brilliant on the water, i hope to see it sailing soon. :-))
YES so do i m8 but got to get new motors first hope to get some at wings an wheels chrisb :-))
Title: Re: MOTORS
Post by: unbuiltnautilus on June 18, 2023, 07:25:59 pm
A RE 385 based on experience, but not science, is an ideal choice at say 7.2v/7.4v for a model such as a 1/72 Flower Class with a probable current drain between 2 and 3 1/2 Amps. I would argue that a 35mm prob would be a better choice though! The drill motors in Tiger were from the start a terrible choice, especially at 12v. I use a pair on 5:1 reduction boxes and 60mm 3 blade brass props at 6v in a 74" landing craft to great effect. I also use a pair of them at 3.3:1 reduction and 14.8v in a 38" motor torpedo boat with 42mm Graupner handed hydro props, also to great and speedy effect. I would not exceed 35mm and 7.2v direct drive as the current will skyrocket due to the excess load. I would have chimed in earlier but it would have been to little effect, so I just waited till everything went pop instead..
Title: Re: MOTORS
Post by: roycv on June 19, 2023, 09:51:28 am
Hi all, loads of information there, thanks for the 555 specs. The RE and RS designations are R = round. E = metal brushes S = carbon brushes. For Mabuchi basic specs look up www.mabuchi-motor.com/product/knowledge/classification/designations.html regards Roy
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: ballastanksian on June 19, 2023, 11:22:10 am
What a lovely looking model on a lovely looking pond! She looks majestic on water whatever the motors and fuses might have done to spoil things. Be proud of yourself Chris as you have worked so hard and the end is in sight even if through a small mountain of blown fuses {:-{ . But as previously mentioned, they stopped this masterpiece from melting or being damaged, and that will allow you to get her up and reliable so you can enjoy some cruises around that super looking pond.
Title: Re: MOTORS
Post by: HMS Invisible on June 19, 2023, 11:53:22 am
If me bleating on about this seems familiar It's because I've said this all before. https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=56555.0 The difference here is that Unbuiltnautilus has come up with a figure to work with.
Tabular data for the RE 385 is in pdf form https://www.mfacomodrills.com/pdfs/RE385.pdf (It says Stall Current: RE385 at 12v = 5.55A)
Ignoring nonlinearity due to the presence of iron, 8 volt stall current (6x1.33v NiMH)will be (8/12) x 5.55 = 3.7 amp. For 7.2v it's 3.33 amp and 6.0v it's 2.8 amp Six freshly charged, cooled down NiMH cells has a no-load voltage of (6x1.33=) 8 volts. The voltage out the battery terminals drops under the motor load so take your pick of these three for a lower voltage. For simpicity's sake I'll assume it is measured at 7.2 volt.
Look at performance curves of https://www.google.com/search?q=dc+motor+performance+graph (https://www.google.com/search?q=dc+motor+performance+graph) or look closely at and to the left of the 55 turn, 555 graph.
What you see is:- * (drain) current at peak power output is half the stall current. (It is just above 50% because of iron loss) * rpm at peak power is half the no-load rpm * efficiency, because of iron loss at full load, is slightly under 50% at peak power (In a coreless motor there is little or no iron loss and the efficiency peak is high and well to left of the graph but quickly drops off.)
If you increase prop load such that tacho measurement is below 50% of no-load figure or ammeter is greater than 50% of the stall current you pass the point of diminishing returns and larger or coarser props slow the model down to burn off most of your power as copper cosses in the motor.
In this theoretical case, the RE 385 at 7.2 volt is overloaded beyond 0.5x3.33= 1.67 amp. That is to say, if a 30mm prop actually gives a current drain of 2 to 3 1/2 amp then you would be well advised to drop to a smaller prop. You could carry on with the larger prop and use an appropriate reduction gear to take it nearer the peak efficiency at (7.2/12 x 0.99)=0.6 amp then raise the voltage for more power and speed. You'd be even better advised to switch to a 555 motor instead.*
If you still don't believe me then you will see it yourself in your results. The 555 and published data for the MFA com drills motors is correct and performance is referred up to 75 Celsius.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 19, 2023, 12:13:42 pm
What a lovely looking model on a lovely looking pond! She looks majestic on water whatever the motors and fuses might have done to spoil things. Be proud of yourself Chris as you have worked so hard and the end is in sight even if through a small mountain of blown fuses {:-{ . But as previously mentioned, they stopped this masterpiece from melting or being damaged, and that will allow you to get her up and reliable so you can enjoy some cruises around that super looking pond.
HI ballastanksian cheers yes i am proud of her but to me it was a big dissaponintment to have probs on her first voyouge regarding blowin 40 amp fuses but she is a very heavy model an i can understand that yes there is a high current goin through to them motors an hopefully new set of 4 motors will cure this prob an ive cured the rudder problem as it also had a faulty R/C PLUG that dint connect proberly on the signal wire but ive cut that off an soldered on a new plug an now the rudder is workin proberly an hope that the turning circle will be better so for now TIGER is U/S until i get the new motors an fit in but building her has been a quite enjoyable 4 yrs an many thanks for your nice comments on her an yes she does look good on the wet stuff at least she dint sink which i have seen some big models DO so thats something ATB to you SIR CHRISB
Title: Re: MOTORS
Post by: chas on June 19, 2023, 12:42:18 pm
Just to put in a couple of actual figures, measured in my snowberry corvette. Mfa 385 motor, 15 years old, 7.2 nimh pack, 35 mm s pitch 2 blade propeller. Very non scale but very effective. Current with boat held stationary in the water, 1.8 amps flat out. Current with normal cruising throttle, boat held stationary 1.4 amps. The battery is 3.3 ah, it powers the motor, rsdio, revolving guns and a home made mister smoke unit. I've never run the battery down in our Sunday sailing sessions. I also use 2 of these motors in my Deans Marine Emden, also from the same 7.2 battery with 35 mms prop shop props. It runs at a perfect scale speed on about 80% throttle. This is my actual experience with these motors. After 60 years of making models I rate them as being one of the most adaptable for scale boats. I also have a ferry model, the Ionic, similar to Vic Smeeds Bardic, this is a bigger heavier model and has a pair of 555 motors which are very well suited to the model. I've always found that other people's experience with equipment is helpfull, so I hope the above will help others.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Akira on June 19, 2023, 01:28:17 pm
Chris, She looks spectacular on the water. Sorry about your motor issues, but even the full size ones have issues, sometimes they never go away(think USS Zumwalt). I am sorry that you will prevail and she will be the envy of all who see her. If I may, when you swap out motors, make sure that your shafts spin freely, just a thought.Jonathan
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Phil22 on June 19, 2023, 02:15:08 pm
Huge congrats Chris, she looks stunning on the water! What a superb effort indeed.More pics please of the next sailing O0 Cheers,Phil
Title: Re: MOTORS
Post by: unbuiltnautilus on June 19, 2023, 07:27:39 pm
Very helpful. Mine was a guestimate, yours we can take to the bank as they say! For Tiger it looks like four 555 motors will be a perfect choice, as suggested by a number of well respected members (and Bob!). Still, the dance continues though :-)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 19, 2023, 09:55:34 pm
Chris, She looks spectacular on the water. Sorry about your motor issues, but even the full size ones have issues, sometimes they never go away(think USS Zumwalt). I am sorry that you will prevail and she will be the envy of all who see her. If I may, when you swap out motors, make sure that your shafts spin freely, just a thought.Jonathan
HI Johnathan thank you an yes she looks good an yes i exspected some probs like you say on the real ships but for me not the motors an yes ive had others say do the prop shafts spin freely thinkin thats makin the motors work harder so drawin more amps but no they spin easy so that not the problem cheers for lookin in on the thread chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 19, 2023, 09:58:45 pm
Huge congrats Chris, she looks stunning on the water! What a superb effort indeed.More pics please of the next sailing O0 Cheers,Phil
AN HI Phil yes im pleased at how she sailed all 3 mins of it before the fuses blew but hope to sort out the probs with new motors an yes there will be more pic an hopefully under power goin at flank speed cheers ATB chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Dan on June 20, 2023, 04:29:14 pm
Hi Chris,
Just caught up on your thread. It looks fantastic on the water! You should definitely be happy with that. But I'm sorry to hear about your issues! Now you've found the motor issue, hopefully you can get that sorted relatively easily with your new motors. Fingers crossed for you. What sort of throw do you have on the rudder? Can it be increased? I'm fully aware of how issues like that on the water can shadow the joy of completing a model like that and it's hard to see through it at the time. But it does look fantastic, and like others have said, many people think the same.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 20, 2023, 05:41:34 pm
Just caught up on your thread. It looks fantastic on the water! You should definitely be happy with that. But I'm sorry to hear about your issues! Now you've found the motor issue, hopefully you can get that sorted relatively easily with your new motors. Fingers crossed for you. What sort of throw do you have on the rudder? Can it be increased? I'm fully aware of how issues like that on the water can shadow the joy of completing a model like that and it's hard to see through it at the time. But it does look fantastic, and like others have said, many people think the same.
HI YOUNG Dan thank you for your nice comments an yes im pleased with her how she sailed but oh so heavy she is but got to be to set her down in the water but motor drain like i had was totally unexspected an i was amazed at blowin 40 amp fuses as my nimitz an my norfolk all sailed ok on 30 amp fuses so hope 4 new motors will do the trick an rudder was not workin properly as a freind saw that the signal wire in the rudder plug was not makin connection properly but it is now so one thing less to go wrong an the rudder goes as far as it can an its a big one but in scale of the ship an how goes your ocean ? as havnt seen much or is life gettin in the way chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: littoralcombat on June 24, 2023, 12:45:20 am
Chris, despite your electrical issues (which are part and parcel of any large Ship construction whether it be full-size or model variety), Tiger looks absolutely brilliant on the water. You should be rightly proud of your creation, I applaud you Sir. Nige :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 24, 2023, 10:06:17 pm
Chris, despite your electrical issues (which are part and parcel of any large Ship construction whether it be full-size or model variety), Tiger looks absolutely brilliant on the water. You should be rightly proud of your creation, I applaud you Sir. Nige :-))
HI Nige many thanks for your nice comments on my tiger have been to a model show W/W an bought 4 new motors so i hope they will do the job of getting her sailing properly fingers crossed cheers sir chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on June 25, 2023, 11:08:26 pm
HI GUYS well i went to wings an wheels an bought 4 motors for tiger i bought 540 X 4 MOTORS but wheather they will be powerfull enough to move tiger i can only hope so will fit the in this comin week chrisb :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 01, 2023, 12:24:06 pm
HI all well im not all that pleased with the new motors that i got at w/w as i was goin to buy some treble 555 motors but when i told the gent what ship i wanted to power he said they would be to low powered an sold me 4x MFA 540 motors but for now i have just fitted in two an left the rear johnsons motors in as the 540 motors dont sound to pokey so i am taken her up Nowich pond again tomorrow to try her out with the motors ive now fitted in her but im begininng to think i may need bigger motors an maybe a bit bigger props but will see how she goes tomorrow an linkpic to see new motors fitted in with yellow an black tags on the motors https://ibb.co/ctkPtbt
chrisb %) ;) O0
(https://i.ibb.co/sQbhQ5Q/IMG-8279.jpg)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on July 02, 2023, 10:20:28 am
Good luck Chris I just had a Mtronik esc go up in smoke for no reason, so you're not the only one with problems :)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 02, 2023, 09:16:35 pm
Good luck Chris I just had a Mtronik esc go up in smoke for no reason, so you're not the only one with problems :)
OH DEAR Rob VERY SORRY to hear that an it seems to me the eletronics they make nowadays are rubbish an did you have a fuse in front of it wired into the ESC circut ? an my day was a disater as yes i sailed tiger at 9am this morn without the S/S on an i was not pleased with them motors as i thought it was slow an sluggish an still a 50 ft turning circle an then to make matter worst the flamein wind got up really high an blew my hat off an only a few small boats were able to sail in this wind but i dint dare put tiger on the pond as it would have been blown into the concrete sides of the pond an then to make maters worst i just left her on show for the day shootin off the guns an such an then when we were packin up i done a silly thing as i put the main S/S in a box to protect it in travel on my chair an that blasted wind blew it off onto the concrete so there is a little damage which can be rapaired but i think tiger is jinked im at a loss on what motors an maybe bigger props to to fit to get her movin OH DEAR chrisb :embarrassed: %) <:( >:-o >>:-(
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Martin (Admin) on July 02, 2023, 09:22:07 pm
HI Martin many thanks for the info an ive just oredered 4 motors so i'll try these out i bet at the end i will have the biggest stash of motors anwhere lol cheers chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 05, 2023, 11:00:19 pm
HI Martin well them motors come today what you said try well they are some whoppers but i will see how i get on with them cheers for the info chrisb :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Akira on July 06, 2023, 05:56:17 pm
Chris, I guess I do not understand why you are blowing 40 amp fuses. I run a pair of MFA 850 motors in my 1/48th Fletcher class and use a 25 amp fuse for protection for each motor. I have never blown it, YET, even with weed wrapped props. Neither the MFA 385, nor the 540's should come anywhere near close to blowing 40 amp fuses, even with two motors drawing thru the fuse. Given the size of you build, you should have plenty of power with four 540's which should not be drawing more than 2-3 amps, depending upon whether you are running 6 or 12 volt. 6 amps is a far cry from 40 so I would suspect that something is creating some serious drag on the shafts. Please forgive me for being nosy, but if you disconnect your motors, can you EASILY spin each shaft with just two fingers? Spin the shaft, not the prop. If it takes any effort at all, there is any issue, as you are no doubt well aware.Good luck with you quest. Jonathan
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 06, 2023, 07:45:16 pm
Chris, I guess I do not understand why you are blowing 40 amp fuses. I run a pair of MFA 850 motors in my 1/48th Fletcher class and use a 25 amp fuse for protection for each motor. I have never blown it, YET, even with weed wrapped props. Neither the MFA 385, nor the 540's should come anywhere near close to blowing 40 amp fuses, even with two motors drawing thru the fuse. Given the size of you build, you should have plenty of power with four 540's which should not be drawing more than 2-3 amps, depending upon whether you are running 6 or 12 volt. 6 amps is a far cry from 40 so I would suspect that something is creating some serious drag on the shafts. Please forgive me for being nosy, but if you disconnect your motors, can you EASILY spin each shaft with just two fingers? Spin the shaft, not the prop. If it takes any effort at all, there is any issue, as you are no doubt well aware.Good luck with you quest. Jonathan
HI Johnathan no you not bein nosey at all as i appreciate any help from all you guys many thanks an yes i can easy spin all the shafts by hand that was not the prob but i cured that fuse blowin as it was a faulty motor in one motor circut that also supplyed the power from the ESC to the R/X an that caused everythng to have no power
so as i said thats cured an she sailed abit last sunday but the motors i have fitted two 540 an two johnsons motors are just not powerfull enough as it was flank speed an tiger struggled to move accross the pond an the turn was terrible about 50 ft so im goin to make the rudder bigger
an hopefully fit to more rudders on the outer props an fit new big props an an i could not sail anymore to test her as the wind got up to galeforce an if i put her in the pond the wind would have blown her into the concrete pond edge so no more sailin an then to make matters worst
as i was packin up i put all the S/S AWAY in their proteckive boxs but the wind was so strong that it blew the box off my chair onto the concrete an this was the front main S/S an caused a bit of damage but i can repair it thank goodness an cant do any more on them big motors now as she is promised to go in a model show in october so after that then i will try an fit in the new bigger motors that martin recommened an then go from there but its always the case of alter one thing an a knock on affect happens so i may have to strip down tiger stern end an redo everything anyway thanks for stoppin an hope you are well sir chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 07, 2023, 02:29:00 pm
HI ALL well been to model shop an bought some more bits to fit them big motors in tiger as the 540 wont hardly move her on the pond so i'll try these but its goin to be a whole lot of modifocation as im goin to try an fit twin rudders an maybe to rudders on her out board props so 4 rudders in all https://ibb.co/whZWP6D (https://ibb.co/whZWP6D) an im tryin to get some of these props as the props i have on are not big enough so im goin for 45 mm diamiter an 4 mm shaft thread an 5 bladed two l/h an two r/h https://ibb.co/nrhqbzB (https://ibb.co/nrhqbzB) chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Akira on July 07, 2023, 02:32:28 pm
Hi Chris, I understand about the motor issue now. I am glad that it is not a shaft issue and hopefully the new motors will help. My two Fletchers, both 1/48 and 7+ feet have single rudders. Both turn like the prototype, terribly!!!! I often find myself using throttles to help in the turns, especially when my eyes and depth perception fail me. That said, I might suggest using a rudder throttle mixer rather than messing with rudder size. I think that action makes one that folks have found to be reliable. Easy install too!Best of luck. I am waiting for the grand video. :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed:
Jonathan
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 07, 2023, 02:48:19 pm
Hi Chris, I understand about the motor issue now. I am glad that it is not a shaft issue and hopefully the new motors will help. My two Fletchers, both 1/48 and 7+ feet have single rudders. Both turn like the prototype, terribly!!!! I often find myself using throttles to help in the turns, especially when my eyes and depth perception fail me. That said, I might suggest using a rudder throttle mixer rather than messing with rudder size. I think that action makes one that folks have found to be reliable. Easy install too!Best of luck. I am waiting for the grand video. :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed:
Jonathan
HI AGAIN Jonathan well i treid a mixer on my USS NIMITZ 9ft carrier an it dint work very well im afraid to say so i went an fitted 4 ruders on her an she sailed great an turned quite quick which was a surprise to me an that why im goin to try an alter the rudders on my tiger but not goin to look nice but if it does the job to me thats all that matters as the ole mojo is now running low an a pic of my nimitz rudders https://ibb.co/qxx7FZs
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 07, 2023, 02:57:35 pm
AN Jonathan a pic of my nimitz on the pond an she sailed very good https://ibb.co/pb1BBP3 chrisb :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on July 07, 2023, 06:01:16 pm
Hi Chris I think you should play with the motors before adding rudders, although the single should do so not sure what going on. Out of interest my Bristol which is nearly Tiger size runs on 2x MFA Torpedo 850, and she is responsive with those and turns nicely, the thing about having tad more power is she cruises sedately at scale speed and turns like a dream, if tighter turn needed forward one prop and astern the other.
Hope it is sorted as seems a shame, Phoebe/Hero now running, ready to fit deck, when found thread on starboard stabiliser had stripped, easy to fit with deck off but means waiting for the new one.
When are you sailing again? its Navy day at Kingscote MBC on Sunday so if storms have not washed them away a day out.
Bob
Title: Re: MOTORS
Post by: frogman3 on July 07, 2023, 07:02:05 pm
For my 2p, I’d definitely go with 555 motors. I’ve had them in boats in the past drawing just a couple of amps on full bore :-))
HI ALL you guys who said that the 555 motors would best well they are what i asked for at w/w an the chap said no they be to low a power an sold me them 540 motors which are badly underpowered so ive found on her last sail she was hardle movin so ive gone on what martin recomended an will try them thanks for all your advise guys chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 07, 2023, 07:11:42 pm
Hi Chris I think you should play with the motors before adding rudders, although the single should do so not sure what going on. Out of interest my Bristol which is nearly Tiger size runs on 2x MFA Torpedo 850, and she is responsive with those and turns nicely, the thing about having tad more power is she cruises sedately at scale speed and turns like a dream, if tighter turn needed forward one prop and astern the other.
Hope it is sorted as seems a shame, Phoebe/Hero now running, ready to fit deck, when found thread on starboard stabiliser had stripped, easy to fit with deck off but means waiting for the new one.
When are you sailing again? its Navy day at Kingscote MBC on Sunday so if storms have not washed them away a day out.
Bob
AN HI Bob well im not goin to sail her anymore this yr as im takin my norfolk an given myself a break from tiger as ive got to try an fit in them new big motors an get some bigger props so she is in drydock for maybe 6 months if not longer if i have to drill out all 4 prop shafts an reset them oh dear but she is a very heavy ship an that little rudder just ain't up to the job so im fittin two rudders an its goin to involve a bit unsitely but needs must chrisb chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Martin (Admin) on July 08, 2023, 08:06:31 am
Super simple motor layout from Trucker's Severn Supporter build ....
HI Martin many thanks for the info and pic but I'm committed to the direct drive an with bigger props but i do see what you mean sir as with your idea the motors can be placed in a different position an save having to drill out the prop shafts but i will see when i get round to doing it after the lowmex model show in October cheers sir chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on July 08, 2023, 06:00:05 pm
AN HI Bob well im not goin to sail her anymore this yr as im takin my norfolk an given myself a break from tiger as ive got to try an fit in them new big motors an get some bigger props so she is in drydock for maybe 6 months if not longer if i have to drill out all 4 prop shafts an reset them oh dear but she is a very heavy ship an that little rudder just ain't up to the job so im fittin two rudders an its goin to involve a bit unsitely but needs must chrisb chrisb
Hi Chris, would not have said the rudder was small!!, I think because you are not getting the RPM from the motors you will not be getting a good flow over the rudder, hence poor turning, also if I recall all your props turn same way so that will not help. Fit the motors first and give it a whirl, as a point Victorious which is nearly 5 foot has a rudder about 25x20mm and it turns lovley, because the motor has the power and rudder in line with prop. Give it a try might save a lot of hassle and tears later.
Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 08, 2023, 07:15:38 pm
Hi Chris, would not have said the rudder was small!!, I think because you are not getting the RPM from the motors you will not be getting a good flow over the rudder, hence poor turning, also if I recall all your props turn same way so that will not help. Fit the motors first and give it a whirl, as a point Victorious which is nearly 5 foot has a rudder about 25x20mm and it turns lovley, because the motor has the power and rudder in line with prop. Give it a try might save a lot of hassle and tears later.
Bob
HI Bob no my props all turn inwards an not the same way dont know where you got that from sayin the props turn all the same way an bob the rudder needs too be made bigger hence why im fittin two rudders an the props may hit the hull so i may have to drill the shafts out an reset them an i cant fit them big motors till ive found out about props but ive got to find somewhere to buy my bigger props as looked on cornwall model boats site but could not understand it to complex ATB Chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on July 09, 2023, 08:31:09 pm
Hi Chris
Raboesch 40mm M4 Threaded 4 Blade L/H Brass C-Type Propeller RAB170-06 | Cornwall Model Boats (https://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/acatalog/40mm-M4-Threaded-4-Blade-L-H-Brass-C-Type-Propeller-RAB170_06.html#SID=1228) Hope that helps, not sure why you found it difficult, I typed that into search. As for prop direction you told me that a long time ago :) :)
I don't think your plans for the rudder will make much difference to be honest, it has to be something else, as My Tiger ran on plan rudders, also asked a few other Tiger/Blake owners and they say same thing. Good luck anyway but I really would try and sort the motors and run it once more. Happy days today at the Navt Day sail at Knightscote, lovely weather and great water
Bob
Title: Re: MOTORS
Post by: frogman3 on July 10, 2023, 11:14:53 am
Or 4 of these at under a tenner each. 4800 revs, decent torque and low power drain. https://www.componentshop.co.uk/mabuchi-555-dc-motor.html.html (https://www.componentshop.co.uk/mabuchi-555-dc-motor.html.html) I've a single one in a 12lb trawler with a 3 inch prop and it's got good pull from a standing start with a soft start ESC. :-))
HI Tony well when i went to wings an wheels i went to the components shop stand an was goin to buy these 555 motors an the chap said they would be too low power an recommened me to buy the MFA 540 X4 MOTORS an i fitted in just two an two jonsons motors they were no good an hardley moved tiger as she is a very heavy model so ive bought the one that martin reccomened so will try them an some new bigger 45 mm props as cant go any bigger as the props will hit the hull so i may have to drill out all 4 prop shafts an reset them to take bigger props an cheers for this info chrisb :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 10, 2023, 11:54:56 am
AN HI ALL SORRY to ALL you guys who put info on here as i must have missed your posts as ive only just seen them regards motors chrisb :embarrassed: O0
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 10, 2023, 12:02:39 pm
Raboesch 40mm M4 Threaded 4 Blade L/H Brass C-Type Propeller RAB170-06 | Cornwall Model Boats (https://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/acatalog/40mm-M4-Threaded-4-Blade-L-H-Brass-C-Type-Propeller-RAB170_06.html#SID=1228) Hope that helps, not sure why you found it difficult, I typed that into search. As for prop direction you told me that a long time ago :) :)
I don't think your plans for the rudder will make much difference to be honest, it has to be something else, as My Tiger ran on plan rudders, also asked a few other Tiger/Blake owners and they say same thing. Good luck anyway but I really would try and sort the motors and run it once more. Happy days today at the Navt Day sail at Knightscote, lovely weather and great water
Bob
AN HI Bob sorry but i dont want 4 bladed props as the real ship had 5 bladed props an could you please find out for me as i cant work that cornwall model boats site as my p/c is not goin properly as i live in a low megabyte area but could you find out for me how much these props are in linkpic below an 4mm thread an 45mm diamiter cheers Bob https://ibb.co/nrhqbzB Chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: tonyH on July 10, 2023, 01:54:45 pm
Hi Chris, Just a thought regarding your headache. I noticed that the props from Raboesch have a pitch of under 1, i.e. they're not the most productive in using the torque/power at lower, non-racing, revs. It may help using a coarser pitch prop (>1) and experimenting before spending another £100 with cheap brass props and a pair of pliers or even cheap plastic ones. Could be worthwhile speaking to PropShop since they have a more precise knowledge and, for example, their standard 45mm 5 blader has a pitch of 48mm i.e >1 Sorry to introduce another variable %% Tony
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Akira on July 10, 2023, 02:16:26 pm
Allen, Off hand, it sounds like you need to do some programing in your transmitter. If you identify the model #, it will make it easier to help.Jonathan
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on July 10, 2023, 03:29:57 pm
Chris I was just showing you the site is ok, this is the nearest I could find and is the style for Tiger period
Just a thought as it has not been mentioned, but are you getting sufficent rudder throw either side, as you dont mention if this large turning circle is in both directions
Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 10, 2023, 05:07:40 pm
Hi Chris, Just a thought regarding your headache. I noticed that the props from Raboesch have a pitch of under 1, i.e. they're not the most productive in using the torque/power at lower, non-racing, revs. It may help using a coarser pitch prop (>1) and experimenting before spending another £100 with cheap brass props and a pair of pliers or even cheap plastic ones. Could be worthwhile speaking to PropShop since they have a more precise knowledge and, for example, their standard 45mm 5 blader has a pitch of 48mm i.e >1 Sorry to introduce another variable %% Tony
HI Tony so if understand you correctly you are sayin that them props that i was goin to go are not very good then on thrust ? am i correct there ? chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 10, 2023, 05:18:57 pm
Just a thought as it has not been mentioned, but are you getting sufficent rudder throw either side, as you dont mention if this large turning circle is in both directions
Bob
AN HI Bob yes the turning circle was terrible both ways but the rudder goes full over an its got a futatbba 303 servo on it an quite powerfull so if i dont cut the hull an fit two rudders then i need to make the rudder itself bigger yes? cheers has ive never had this probs before an i must admit im lost but im sure i need bigger to 45mm props an then i will try her with the motors that are fitted in with them bigger props if not still enough go then i'll fit them monster motors as i am tryin to sort this but spending money but not gettin anywhere sorry guys to be a bug bear cheers chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on July 10, 2023, 06:01:04 pm
Hi Chris,
As Rob said, I would not add additional rudders just yet, I’d first change the motors and test them with the Five bladed props.
I’m surprised you were told the 555 motors were not suitable, USS Roosevelt is running on these motor and 50mm five bladed props and as you know she runs at a good scale speed.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: tonyH on July 10, 2023, 06:27:49 pm
HI Tony so if understand you correctly you are sayin that them props that i was goin to go are not very good then on thrust ? am i correct there ? chrisb
Hi Chris, No I'm not saying that and I'm sorry if this is preaching but the angle that the blade cuts into the water has an effect on the push that the prop gives. So a shallow cut would normally be combined with a faster revving motor and a steep angle would combine with a slower revving motor. So a 45mm prop would have anything from a 40mm pitch to a 60 or 70mm pitch where the low pitch angle would suit a faster and the high angle would suit something like a steam engine. One of the main factors is the torque produced by the motor so if you have a fairly high torque motor like the 555 it will take a prop with a higher pitch angle while a standard 540 won't, even though the power could be the same. So check the torque rating for the motors you've got and see where they lie. The "C" type Raboesch props in Rob's earlier post have a shallower angle than the "A" type in his later one but even those could be a bit steeper, the normal scale type Prop-Shop ones being steeper still. Not a lot but. as I said, it could be worth talking with them. Tony
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 10, 2023, 08:22:17 pm
Hi Chris, No I'm not saying that and I'm sorry if this is preaching but the angle that the blade cuts into the water has an effect on the push that the prop gives. So a shallow cut would normally be combined with a faster revving motor and a steep angle would combine with a slower revving motor. So a 45mm prop would have anything from a 40mm pitch to a 60 or 70mm pitch where the low pitch angle would suit a faster and the high angle would suit something like a steam engine. One of the main factors is the torque produced by the motor so if you have a fairly high torque motor like the 555 it will take a prop with a higher pitch angle while a standard 540 won't, even though the power could be the same. So check the torque rating for the motors you've got and see where they lie. The "C" type Raboesch props in Rob's earlier post have a shallower angle than the "A" type in his later one but even those could be a bit steeper, the normal scale type Prop-Shop ones being steeper still. Not a lot but. as I said, it could be worth talking with them. Tony
AN HI Tony well to cut a long story short to me if ive got this right is the more the angle of the prop blades bend towards the prop boss the more the prop thrust will be yes ? an it then needs a high touge but low power motor like what martin reccomened as i have bought them big motors yes ? chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: tonyH on July 11, 2023, 08:46:45 am
Yup! The right prop will make the best use of the torque and power you've got going for you. Speak to prop-shop! :-))
Title: Re: MOTORS
Post by: HMS Invisible on July 11, 2023, 11:56:09 am
HI ALL you guys who said that the 555 motors would best well they are what i asked for at w/w an the chap said no they be to low a power an sold me them 540 motors which are badly underpowered so ive found on her last sail she was hardle movin so ive gone on what martin recomended an will try them thanks for all your advise guys chrisb
My caveat along with "In my opinion the 555 is the optimum choice." included:- "I think I saw a photo of coarse pitched scale brass props" and "On 12v the 555 would measure in the region"
All those guys were right but so was Iain at Component Shop if its taken into consideration.We both would have learned DC Motor theory in first year doing electrical engineering and the fundamentals don't leave you after decades.
The motor with the higher rpm on the data sheet will initially be higher power. You need a prop that will give thrust whereupon the 555 outputs more power at its peak and there is still headroom above 12volts before it reaches its own thermal limit due to losses. It's probably a good thing that you went for a much higher power motor because I've experienced the wind effect when trying someones eleven foot King George V battleship. It was like a giant scary yacht at the mercy of the elements while you slam four decaperms and props from full ahead to reverse power as you change the angle to battle the wind.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 11, 2023, 03:00:28 pm
to HMS Invisible so to keep this simple are you sayin that ian from compornets shop did right by steerin me away from the 555 an puttin me onto the MFA 540 MOTORS ? An yes i know i need bigger props as cant go any bigger than 45mm diamitter or the props will hit the hull chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: HMS Invisible on July 11, 2023, 03:59:26 pm
to HMS Invisible so to keep this simple are you sayin that ian from compornets shop did right by steerin me away from the 555 an puttin me onto the MFA 540 MOTORS ? An yes i know i need bigger props as cant go any bigger than 45mm diamitter or the props will hit the hull chrisb
For the props you originally had the 540 was right and so might the speed 600 for that matter. As you go to more blades, coarser pitch and bigger diameter the 540 can't run efficiently, would be SLOWER so therefore less mechanical power output and drawing more input electrical power than the correctly matched motor. So the next in line is the 540LN then 555 and onto a bigger size of motor as the prop thrust increases. If you are talking the coarse pitch 45mm 5 blader the 555 motor and upwards will cope. I wholesaled 555s by the hundred box to some of the traders and kit makers for 3 inch multi blade props that prop shop would cast. The anecdotal replies from others about 555s directly driving big props are no surprise to me.
A cheap infra red tacho and motor data sheet tells you that at a glance and you don't have to break open the circuit for current measurement or use wattmeters that electric flight users would do. Component shop is electrical rc gadget oriented so maybe sells them. I got one from Ebay. ..... I could add when you overprop a motor you can install reduction gearing to the same motor as an alternative to fitting a 540LN or 555 or larger on direct drive. The drive shaft turns faster if you had it overpropped on direct (1:1) ratio.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 11, 2023, 05:11:41 pm
For the props you originally had the 540 was right and so might the speed 600 for that matter. As you go to more blades, coarser pitch and bigger diameter the 540 can't run efficiently, would be SLOWER so therefore less mechanical power output and drawing more input electrical power than the correctly matched motor. So the next in line is the 540LN then 555 and onto a bigger size of motor as the prop thrust increases. If you are talking the coarse pitch 45mm 5 blader the 555 motor and upwards will cope. I wholesaled 555s by the hundred box to some of the traders and kit makers for 3 inch multi blade props that prop shop would cast. The anecdotal replies from others about 555s directly driving big props are no surprise to me.
A cheap infra red tacho and motor data sheet tells you that at a glance and you don't have to break open the circuit for current measurement or use wattmeters that electric flight users would do. Component shop is electrical rc gadget oriented so maybe sells them. I got one from Ebay. ..... I could add when you overprop a motor you can install reduction gearing to the same motor as an alternative to fitting a 540LN or 555 or larger on direct drive. The drive shaft turns faster if you had it overpropped on direct (1:1) ratio.
HI HMS INVISABLE A FREIND has shown me this site for props
(https://raboeschmodels.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/favicon-apple.jpg) raboeschmodels.com45mm brass 46.1 pitch. only 4mm shaft though. About £21 each. an this prop above may be the ones i need 45 mm diamitter 46.1 pitch an 4 mm shafts so im goin to try an get these from cornwall model boats if poss chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on July 12, 2023, 08:20:16 pm
Chris With what you describe I think I may have part of the answer. You say she was moving slowly and although rudder hard over turning circle was huge, this I believe is the same as large 1/1 vessels have, lack of steerage way i.e. they are not travelling fast enough for the flow of water over the rudder to have any effect, hence you see tugs assisting at slow speeds.
Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: HMS Invisible on July 12, 2023, 10:26:35 pm
Chris With what you describe I think I may have part of the answer. You say she was moving slowly and although rudder hard over turning circle was huge, this I believe is the same as large 1/1 vessels have, lack of steerage way i.e. they are not travelling fast enough for the flow of water over the rudder to have any effect, hence you see tugs assisting at slow speeds.
Bob
Indeed. Look at the control surfaces relative to the prop on a fast attack sub. {-) Los Angeles Class (ssn) (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles-class_submarine) Your post has reminded me of the mention of pumps used as stern thrusters in the sub model build threads.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 13, 2023, 09:29:41 am
Chris With what you describe I think I may have part of the answer. You say she was moving slowly and although rudder hard over turning circle was huge, this I believe is the same as large 1/1 vessels have, lack of steerage way i.e. they are not travelling fast enough for the flow of water over the rudder to have any effect, hence you see tugs assisting at slow speeds.
Bob
HI Bob an hms invisable yes i realise now the prob an have done all last two wks or so as thats the reason ive treid cornwall model boats to try an order 45 mm bigger props but we have phoned them 3 times an all we get is leave your phone no. which jen did but no reply an ive sent them an email an no answer as they are busy so will have to try an find some other prop maker as ive also looked at prop shop but cant really understand the website an find the props i want so till i do im stuck chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Akira on July 13, 2023, 12:35:59 pm
Chris, Try George Sitek. His props are right up there with the Prop Shop. Beautiful stuff. I have them on my Fletcher as well as my Juneau.http://gsitek-props.co.uk/
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 13, 2023, 03:26:10 pm
Chris, Try George Sitek. His props are right up there with the Prop Shop. Beautiful stuff. I have them on my Fletcher as well as my Juneau.http://gsitek-props.co.uk/ (http://gsitek-props.co.uk/)
HI Akira well ive looked at mr Sitek's site an found the 5 bladed props an not really happy as it dont say the pitch of the blades as i need 45mm dimater an pitch 46.1 an 4 mm thread but from what i see the props are just the normal petal props but i was hopein for some in my linkpic below https://ibb.co/nrhqbzB chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on July 13, 2023, 03:42:04 pm
Chris not sure why you having problems, but 5 bladed are clearly shown. Click on products, Type M props and there you are.
he is not the most reliable now sadly though
Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 13, 2023, 04:00:15 pm
Cornwall models, I know you have had problems but that's my choice, never has issues with them but as you say might be busy time.
Bob
YES you maybe right Bob but when will they be unbusy ? so i can get an answer off them ? an you say sitek is not very reliabele so that cut down the odds of me gettin my props an i find prop shop site is complex anyone else know where i can get my props made ? chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Martin (Admin) on July 14, 2023, 08:45:17 am
HI Martin many thanks for the info but ive just found out this morning that i think i may have to fit 55mm bladed props as it been well over ten try since i bought any props an i have forgottern what type of props i need to push this very heavy model along so i contacted a boaty m8 who bought my HMS EDINBURGH an its a big model an i asked him what size props i fitted on edinborough an he say 55mm diamitter an she sailed lovely so no 45 mm now so that means i will have to drill out all 4 props shafts an clean them up an refit them back in the stern section so at least another 6 months work there so she wont sail anymore till 2024 oh dear :(( but no good buyin a lot of moneies worth of props if they are still not big enough chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Martin (Admin) on July 14, 2023, 03:14:44 pm
HI Martin many thanks for the info but ive just found out this morning that i think i may have to fit 55mm bladed props as it been well over ten try since i bought any props an i have forgottern what type of props i need to push this very heavy model along so i contacted a boaty m8 who bought my HMS EDINBURGH an its a big model an i asked him what size props i fitted on edinborough an he say 55mm diamitter an she sailed lovely so no 45 mm now so that means i will have to drill out all 4 props shafts an clean them up an refit them back in the stern section so at least another 6 months work there so she wont sail anymore till 2024 oh dear :(( but no good buyin a lot of moneies worth of props if they are still not big enough chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on July 14, 2023, 07:15:48 pm
Chris why do you need to drill the prop shirts out to change props assuming you are sticking to M4 Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 14, 2023, 08:57:59 pm
Chris why do you need to drill the prop shirts out to change props assuming you are sticking to M4 Bob
HI Bob well i need to drill all 4 prop shafts out an reset them as because the bigger props will hit the hull as im goin to fitt 55mm props now an not 45mm as i was intending so it gonns be a lot of work providein i can do it that is as the hull curves in where the prop shafts are so not good but got to be done but will be done over nxt yr chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: ballastanksian on July 15, 2023, 06:17:39 pm
I hope the refit goes well matey. You'll get there.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 15, 2023, 11:04:54 pm
As Rob said, I would not add additional rudders just yet, I’d first change the motors and test them with the Five bladed props.
I’m surprised you were told the 555 motors were not suitable, USS Roosevelt is running on these motor and 50mm five bladed props and as you know she runs at a good scale speed.
HI Dave yes i was surprised that ian from components shop said the treble 555 motors were not the ones i needed but thats what he said an reccommed the mfa 540 motors which are not what i needed an yes your props look great an they are the sort that i want but im goin for 55 mm dia an what pitch are your props an are they 4mm thread an were did you buy them from ? please as i will try there ATB chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: unbuiltnautilus on July 18, 2023, 09:56:25 am
If you are changing prop size again you will also need to reconsider your motor choice. Better options for 55mm props are available but I am loath to start another longwinded debate about alternatives. I wish you well with the build but all I see is constant complications being imposed on the construction. I assume the model is 1/72 scale and about 92" in length? Just my input but, I have two models of similar size to this, SS Ohio 100", this has a single 60mm prop on a car blower motor at 12v, and Derrflinger a 96" battlecruiser, this is triple shaft with three Torpedo 800 motors on 12v and using a pair of Quicrun 880 speed controls. The first model is slow as befits a tanker, the second has a good turn of speed as befits a battlecruiser, must finish it though! So feel free to take the advice given or don't, but the above works so why feel the need to tickle the specs yet again?!
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: unbuiltnautilus on July 18, 2023, 10:02:16 am
Ah forgot, 45mm 4 blade Rivabo props, not sure about the pitch but most brass props have enough pitch to do the job needed of them.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Geoff on July 18, 2023, 11:50:08 am
Just as a thought, whilst not entirely scale, if you are going from 45mm props to 55m props that's only 5mm each side so you may just have enough clearance anyway, or maybe extend the prop shafts by say 1 inch and this may give you clearance to try the bigger props without significant surgery.
Cheers
Geoff
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 18, 2023, 01:28:10 pm
Just as a thought, whilst not entirely scale, if you are going from 45mm props to 55m props that's only 5mm each side so you may just have enough clearance anyway, or maybe extend the prop shafts by say 1 inch and this may give you clearance to try the bigger props without significant surgery.
Cheers
Geoff
HI Geoff well i wish you was right on this but im afraid you are wrong sorry to say no i have fitted on 33 mm props what shew on the plans an they are nowhere big enough so i was goin for 45mm props an yes i could have just got away with them but then i contacted my boaty m8 who has bought my hms edinbough type 42 at in 1/64 th scale an 7ft 3" long an a fairly heavy model as she sailed great an asked him what size props i fitted on her an he replyied that the props are 55mm so i think to be on the safe side due to the cost of these props im goin a bit bigger at 55mm an hope they will be enough as this is the last throw of the dice as im not throwin any more money at this model as this is the most exspensive ive ever done but due to size of her it a hit an miss job on gettin things right first time which hasnt happned an yes the surgery will have to happen all 4 prop shafts drilled out an new big motors fitted an then maybe new A -frames an them shafts all reset should take about 6 months i reckon CHEERS chrisb cheers Geoff for takin an instrest
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on July 18, 2023, 04:36:57 pm
Chris I still think you are wrong to rip it all out, without trying the new motors, I notice you said 33mm props I take it that is a typo error as I have just looked at my plans and 333mm is for a 1/96 scale. Try the motors first with current props you may be surprised, also its what lots are telling you to do. Not criticism, just trying to save you doing lots of work that you don't need to. Have you got through to Cornwall models yet?
best wishes
Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 18, 2023, 06:57:35 pm
Chris I still think you are wrong to rip it all out, without trying the new motors, I notice you said 33mm props I take it that is a typo error as I have just looked at my plans and 333mm is for a 1/96 scale. Try the motors first with current props you may be surprised, also its what lots are telling you to do. Not criticism, just trying to save you doing lots of work that you don't need to. Have you got through to Cornwall models yet?
best wishes
I Bob no shant bother with cornwall boats as jen rang 5 times an no answer but a boaty m8 came to see me today an he was horrified when i said what i was goin to do an he thinks that yes the present props are for 1/96 scale tiger like he is building an he says go with the 45 mm props as with them big motors they should be enough to get tiger goin an just make the rudder a bit bigger but keep it in scale Sooooooooooo ok Bob i'll listen to you all an fit 45mm props an i then wont have to tear up the hull an he is goin to get me some props from prop shop hopefully so see what happens as no i dint want to cut the hull but i was thinkin i was out of options an cheers Bob for your intrest an post ATB TO YOU SIR :-)) Chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on July 18, 2023, 07:15:45 pm
Great News Chris, yes I have been interested in the build having built it twice %% . Glad you are going to try props and motor first, shame to waste all that effort. Good luck in the future and hope Jen is still ok. very surprised about Cornwall Models, they usually answer straight away.
All the best
Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 18, 2023, 10:19:42 pm
Great News Chris, yes I have been interested in the build having built it twice %% . Glad you are going to try props and motor first, shame to waste all that effort. Good luck in the future and hope Jen is still ok. very surprised about Cornwall Models, they usually answer straight away.
All the best
Bob
ok cheers Bob will see how things go AN YES with cornwall all jen kept gettin was an engaded tone an thanks for your best wishes ATB chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 20, 2023, 08:19:57 am
Great News Chris, yes I have been interested in the build having built it twice %% . Glad you are going to try props and motor first, shame to waste all that effort. Good luck in the future and hope Jen is still ok. very surprised about Cornwall Models, they usually answer straight away.
All the best
Bob
HI Bob just askin a qeustion here has your carsons R/C got a ratchit on the throttle stick at all ? chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on July 20, 2023, 01:55:15 pm
Chris Think it did but best person to ask is RAF launched on here as he now has Queen Elizabeth Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 20, 2023, 10:56:58 pm
HI GUYS well here i go again for the 5th time im now fittin in tiger them motors that martin reccomened an will see how these go with 45 mm props fitted when i get them an fittin the big motors in has been a job as had to grind out the motor mountin to get the big motor to fit an now got to cut off the wire eletric motor terminals an refit new ones as they are a differnt size an to add to my problems the chap in the model shop sold me the wrong size motor mountin bolts so got to go back today an hope he can sell me the correct size bolts an a couple of linkpics of the big motor fitted in the hull https://ibb.co/GCfthnQ https://ibb.co/h75R9g5 so will try these an with 45mm props will see what hppens ATB ALL chris
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: rnli12 on July 21, 2023, 09:39:35 am
Chris, I have the same set up in my 1/72 Type 22 Batch 3 at over 6' ft runs perfectly at scale speed, I use 2 x LiPo 3s 8000Mah. 45mm type c props
Rich
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 21, 2023, 12:53:38 pm
Chris, I have the same set up in my 1/72 Type 22 Batch 3 at over 6' ft runs perfectly at scale speed, I use 2 x LiPo 3s 8000Mah. 45mm type c props
Rich
HI Rich is yours a fleetscale grp hull as i also built HMS CAMPBELTOWN F86 an she was 7ft 3" long an made a very nice model an sailed very well does yours sail well be nice to see a pic of yours on here as ive now posted a linkpick of mine but small pic so you will have to zoom in on it chrisb https://ibb.co/7VLdD2m
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: rnli12 on July 21, 2023, 04:42:30 pm
Hi, yes same model. I have a Batch 2 Type 22 as well same hull as attached. Rich
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 21, 2023, 09:00:05 pm
Hi, yes same model. I have a Batch 2 Type 22 as well same hull as attached. Rich
HI Rich looks a lovely model an sails well great stuff chrisb :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 26, 2023, 07:25:05 am
HI Bob just been lookin but have you put your bristol build on here at all as i would love to have seen some build pics an you motor arrangment ? chrisb :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on July 26, 2023, 06:24:10 pm
Hi Chris Yes I did have a build but when photo bucket changed it wiped all my images, so there is only one page and that is dealing with the divers lines I painted on her. Motor set up two torpedo 850 motors with each having its own esc, one on each up and down stick, motors mounted along side each other, so nothing really out of the ordinary.
Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on July 26, 2023, 09:13:59 pm
OK Bob what a pity on your bristol build <:( yes that photo buckect took a lot of my NIMITZ build pics off as well >>:-( <*< but im glad i have found free imgbb site for pics very good site that is an well on tigers motors i managed to get some motor fixin bolts to hold motors in their mountins an im just goin to try just 2 big motors an the 2 smaller johnsons motors with the new bigger 45 mm props when they come as my m8 ordered them for me from prop shop an it was a surprise really so will sail with these an if still not enough power then i'll remove the johnsons motors an fit the other 2 big motors an then see how she goes an pic of them big motors all fitted in https://ibb.co/LYMCYPF chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 10, 2023, 05:32:43 pm
HI ALL well them props have finely come as they were delivered to my boaty mate on monday an as jen an i got invieted to his an his SWMBO for tea i picked them up an they are made from bronce just like the real ships props an not brass an they look the bussiness so ive now fitted them on the shafts an now just got to make the rudder bigger an on warship day will try her out again for the 3rd time wish me luck all an pics of them props an they are now 45mm size up from 33mm[/size] chrisb[/color]
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 10, 2023, 05:40:30 pm
AN Linkpics of them props https://ibb.co/F5BzDgR an fitted on the shafts https://ibb.co/BZsSyBy https://ibb.co/QKyBGbX chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on August 11, 2023, 03:08:34 pm
Hi Chris Nice looking props, that rudder looks about the same size as the 1/96 on my Tiger, so if that's case could be why it was not working 100%.
Good luck, get out on the wet stuff while it last :)
Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 11, 2023, 04:29:12 pm
Hi Chris Nice looking props, that rudder looks about the same size as the 1/96 on my Tiger, so if that's case could be why it was not working 100%.
Good luck, get out on the wet stuff while it last :)
Bob
HI Bob hope you are well an yes props hopefully will do the job accordin to prop shop chap an yes im makin the rudder bigger too so hope when i try her at warship day at Norwich on sept 10th she will sail ok but till the its a big ? mark ATB chris an jen
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 13, 2023, 01:34:04 pm
HELLO GUYS well i made the rudder big as i can to try an keep it in scale an a few pics an if this dont turn her i dont know what will as the rudder is now nearly 4 inches long so hopefully should give her a good turn circle whatwith them new bigger props :-)) if not i shall be >>:-( <*< <:( chrisb
the new bigger rudder below https://ibb.co/bvQ7grh an fitted to hull an it dont look to bad https://ibb.co/xJ7W7Fc an in turn to port an starboard an the rudder should catch quite a bit of propwash https://ibb.co/JqkKBkB https://ibb.co/QJR8LWp
(https://i.ibb.co/pJLcLhs/IMG-8313.jpg)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Akira on August 13, 2023, 01:37:55 pm
Chris, That rudder should do the trick. I hope that your servo can stand the load! A quarter scale servo might be in order. :} Best of luck on your next trial.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 13, 2023, 04:57:31 pm
Chris, That rudder should do the trick. I hope that your servo can stand the load! A quarter scale servo might be in order. :} Best of luck on your next trial.
HI Akira yes i only hope so but you may have a point on how heavy a load that rudder may be under an if i need a bigger servo then that will have to happen an i will get a bigger servo in fact i think i will fit in a brand new servo as the one ive fitted is an old one many thanks for pointin that out Sir cheers chrisb :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 14, 2023, 07:36:18 am
HI Akira yes i only hope so but you may have a point on how heavy a load that rudder may be under an if i need a bigger servo then that will have to happen an i will get a bigger servo in fact i think i will fit in a brand new servo as the one ive fitted is an old one many thanks for pointin that out Sir cheers chrisb :-))
HI Agan Akira just fitted tiger togeather an tried that rudder servo an i think it will be ok as when tryin it i could not stop it turning with my fingers so servo very strong so should take water load on the rudder ok fingers crossed cheers for pointin out what maybe a problem sir chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on August 14, 2023, 06:46:26 pm
Hi , Chris
Props look nice :-)) I agree with Akira the rudder servo May have more work and your right to change the current servo for a new one. But my personal view is a standard servo should be OK.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Sealord on August 14, 2023, 09:07:28 pm
Props look nice :-)) I agree with Akira the rudder servo May have more work and your right to change the current servo for a new one. But my personal view is a standard servo should be OK.
HI Dave yes AKira may have a point to a future problem regards that rudder servo but wont know till i try TIGER out on warship day on sept the 10th so till then its a wait an see job as could take her up sheringham pond but the water is a bit to high an as Tiger is a big model with a high S/S an mast it may get damaged due to the ponds concrete overhang but if bad wheather on sept the 10th warship day at Norwich then i'l be forced to take Tiger to sheringham providein i can get parked up due to holl makers cars takin up car parkin spaces %) <:( cheers chrisb :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 15, 2023, 05:55:30 am
AN cheers to you m8 also yes lets hope she does sail ok as its not for the lack of tryin just hope wheather is good an not to high a wind as due to how big tiger is she catches the wind very easy an then difficult to controll from hittin the ponds side concrete walls ATB M8 chrisb PS be nice when you can bring EDINBURGH up the pond be nice to see them together
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: derekwarner on August 15, 2023, 07:29:31 am
Chris......yes the larger propellers look good %)
The extended rudder surface area to a degree is balanced around the rudder pintal shaft so with the push-pull with 2 equal length servo rods would appear sound, however we must remember the model is a relatively large & heavy mass <*< resisting any moment in change of direction
Do you have independent motor control for Port & Stdb?........the full size Tiger had the capacity to stop, or reverse the pair of propellers on either side to accomplish a sharper turn........so have you considered this function or ability?....if you had this installed, Tiger could literally turn on a 'sixpence'....Action electronics have this controller
Looking forward to seeing Tiger on the water again :-))
Derek
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 15, 2023, 02:06:28 pm
The extended rudder surface area to a degree is balanced around the rudder pintal shaft so with the push-pull with 2 equal length servo rods would appear sound, however we must remember the model is a relatively large & heavy mass <*< resisting any moment in change of direction
Do you have independent motor control for Port & Stdb?........the full size Tiger had the capacity to stop, or reverse the pair of propellers on either side to accomplish a sharper turn........so have you considered this function or ability?....if you had this installed, Tiger could literally turn on a 'sixpence'....Action electronics have this controller
Looking forward to seeing Tiger on the water again :-))
Derek
HI Derek yes i know its a mixer unit from components shop isnt it as they do the action parts an ive had other modelers tellin me to fit one but i dont know if it will do any good as the two props near the rudder are only about 3 inches apart so im not sure if it will do any good as i fitted one to my nimizt 9ft carrier
an that dint work at all i think the props should be a fair way apart before i will get any benefit from such a unit but thanks for your idea Derek an i'll have a look at how much one costs as i have components shop catalouge
cheers for your thoughts on the subject an if not to dear i'll get one an try it as im gettin deperate now as tiger is nr sendin me round the bend lol PS IF i do go down this way it means i will have to alter all the motors wirein as its wired up one ESC to work the 2 motors nearets the rudder an the the other ESC CONTROLS the two big motors at the back an if i go on this way i wont be able to have the cut off for the back motors for economy cruisein so i'll lose either way ATB SIR CHRISB
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on August 15, 2023, 05:11:50 pm
Hi Chris I use this method of steering on all my multi shaft boats but I don't use and gizmo mixer to achieve it, I simply set them for what is known as tank steering, so port on left stick and starboard on right stick, then as Derek says you can sop and reverse on side and have other going forward as per real ship, as they did not have mixers .
It works a treat and costs nowt.
Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 15, 2023, 08:07:06 pm
Hi Chris I use this method of steering on all my multi shaft boats but I don't use and gizmo mixer to achieve it, I simply set them for what is known as tank steering, so port on left stick and starboard on right stick, then as Derek says you can sop and reverse on side and have other going forward as per real ship, as they did not have mixers .
It works a treat and costs nowt.
Bob
HI Bob no can do on two throttle sticks i havnt got good hand corddination enough to do that so will have to stick with throttle on one stick sorry hope u r well sir i know you are tryin to help me an many thanks chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 17, 2023, 12:42:22 pm
HI GUYS well i put tiger all togeather to tests all the workins an everything worked great then out of the blue another problem has rose its ugly head an thats one of the 3mm orange LED's in one gun barrel on the main 6 inch turret has i think has fused but it could be one of 3 things 1. the gun fire unit has gone faulty 2. or the resistor has failed or 3. the LED has fused so tommorrow it looks like i will have to open up the main gun turret to find out the problem Aaaccrrrhh just as well i made it so it all screwed togeather an can be stripped down but not lookin forward to it OH DEAR OR DO YOU GUYS THINK I SHOULD LEAVE IT TILL AFTER THE NEXT SAILIN ? chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Akira on August 17, 2023, 04:07:13 pm
Sail her Chris! Anyone asks, just tell them that that barrel failed. :}
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 17, 2023, 11:32:52 pm
Sail her Chris! Anyone asks, just tell them that that barrel failed. :}
HI Akira well i suppose the led's will take a few days to come an then wont be long till sailin day so yes i'll sail her first then after model show in oct then i can take my time to find that problem cheers sir chrisb :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on August 18, 2023, 11:46:07 am
Hi Chris,
If it’s a quick fix then go ahead, however if it’s a bit tricky then do it after when you have more time :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 18, 2023, 02:42:35 pm
Hi Chris,
T888
If it’s a quick fix then go ahead, however if it’s a bit tricky then do it after when you have more time :-)) :-))
HI Dave {:-{ no its not a quick fix im afaid as the wirein under the deck what feeds the LED's is very tightly fitted together so it wont get caught in the big turret gearrin as its turning the turret an tryin to find out which wire or if its the resistor or the led an if it is that then ive got to drill out the led in the gun barrel
an jen has offered to help me by holding the gun turret deck but one wrong slip an i coud damage the other led what works so yes its complex but i never thought id have this problem as led's are suppose to last thounds of hrs so yes i will do it after both shows that are comin up in sept an october then as you say i will have more time cheers for stoppin an im enjoyin your type 26 build immensly keep up the good work sir :-)) chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 18, 2023, 06:15:25 pm
HI Dave here is a pic of that gun deck underside an you can see the 4 wires that go to work them led's but beleive it or not but just treid it again an the damm led now works so its either the resistor gettin hot an cuttin out an will only work when cooled down or the led is faulty crazy anit but yes i'll leave it till i can strip it down proper an it is in the knock on postion to work against the knock on switch https://ibb.co/THTsQGs :embarrassed: >>:-( <*<
chris
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: ballastanksian on August 19, 2023, 01:51:45 pm
Could there be a bit of dry joint in the circuit? I'm not questioning your soldering skills Chris :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 19, 2023, 04:54:31 pm
Could there be a bit of dry joint in the circuit? I'm not questioning your soldering skills Chris :embarrassed:
HI IM not rulein it out an could be but when younger i was a welder so i know that i have to do good jionts but im thinkin my probs could be the resistor or the led but wont know till both my modell shows are over then i can set about it to find the probs :-)) chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on August 26, 2023, 09:08:55 pm
HI GUYS well over the week ive been tryin out them motors with the johnsons motors against them two monster motors an well i found with the big motors alot more wind thrust from the props than the johnsons so its all change again for about the 5th or 6th time as ive lost count so its all change an out come them johnsons an in go them other two monster motors an talk about the wind thrust off the bigger props now so now there are all 4 monster motors in her so these should move her an to help the steerin bigger rudder an ive now teid in the bow thruster to help her turn so when i hit the stick to turn the rudder the bow thruster comes in on auto to help steerin an pic of the all 4 big motors now fittered in her AN Martin these are the motors you recommened to me so will see if they do the job [/size] https://ibb.co/NKZPRRT[/size]
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 09, 2023, 04:32:14 pm
HI ALL well tomorrow is warship day up at Norwich pond sept the 10th an im takin TIGER up for more sea trails with her new refit eqiupment new bigger motors x4 an new bigger x4 45mm bronce 5 bladed props an new bigger rudder an ive fitted the bow thruster into the rudder controlls so when i turn the rudder the bowthurster will come into play on auto to help the bow turn if it will that is :-)) so its fingers crossed tomorrow guys will hopefully put on some linkpics if all goes well chrisb :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: littoralcombat on September 10, 2023, 02:11:47 am
Good Luck Chris. I look forward to seeing your pictures of Tiger.
Nige
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on September 10, 2023, 06:18:03 pm
Hi Chris,
Well how did she go ? I’ve seen your photos on ImgBB she looks great and the stern wash looks as if she was working well.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 11, 2023, 02:45:24 pm
Well how did she go ? I’ve seen your photos on ImgBB she looks great and the stern wash looks as if she was working well.
HI Dave yes she went an was sailin great all probs fixed then due to the heat of the day a big problem happened an will now do a post on what happened an linkpics of her sailin chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 11, 2023, 02:57:42 pm
HI Guys well took tiger up Norwich pond on warship day an it was a paritshall success as the guys lifted her into the water an i then switched it all on an i asked my boaty mate Dave to hold on the bow to stop her from movein an well the prop thrust was a shock as it nearly pulled my mate into the water an he said Lord there is a heck of a thrust from Tigers props[/size]so i said right push her out to the pond centre an WOW she took off like a bomb an then right in pond centre she blew her 30 amp fuses so as no wind i had to get a tuggy chap to push her back to pond edge well i was not impressed blasted fuses gone againSo i fitted in them 40 amp fuses an Tiger was off again an this time SHE SAILED GREAT an at only half throttle so the boys an jen got me some pics an she was turning at about only 20 ft turn instead of a 50 ft turn like last time she was tryin to sail SO the props were a success an the MOTORS an the rudder so it was all goin great for about 5 mins an then i found she would not turn hardly again so thought now whats the matter so brought her in an due to how hot the day was well because i was melting it was so HOT WOW SO i had a look inside her at the motors an notice one of the prop shafts was not turning AN DUE TO THE HEAT THE RED PLASTIC UNIVERSAL JIONT HAD OPENED UP an the METAL PINS HAD ALL DROPPED OUT OF THE MOUNTIN so no more sailing to day an has it was SO HOT i said to jen we will pack tiger back in the car an go home as the heat just drained us of energy an we left the pond at 13-30 hrs an i felt faint from the heat so put on the aircon in the car an pulled up on rd side to recover BOY IT WAS HOT an wont go again if its this hot any way some pics an my freind neil was vidoein her sailin so he said he will put her on U TUBE but when i dint know SO A SUCCESS OF A KIND IM PLEASED TO SAY but i was talkin to a chap with a big MTB an he shew me some metal ONES for high tourke prop shafts UNIVERSAL JIONTS so im goin to try an get some an replace the plastic univeral jionts https://ibb.co/7JFnSkghttps://ibb.co/gPTNRmh https://ibb.co/qyfyXGqan here she shot away from me an it was only half throttle AN Mirtin this is them motors you told me about boy are they powerfull https://ibb.co/yYsKRvTan sailin niceley at half throttle about walkin speed wow https://ibb.co/jrTdDHxhttps://ibb.co/ZhZ5N4yhttps://ibb.co/BwnNSdd[/size]
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 11, 2023, 03:08:14 pm
https://ibb.co/kqzrCwV https://ibb.co/PCvd8Gj https://ibb.co/tQ7w3v4 an sorry guys but some of the pics may be a bit blurred due to her speed an it took me all my time to get her in the camers viewer https://ibb.co/PCvd8Gj https://ibb.co/7JFnSkg an here a pic of the univesal jiont that broke on the prop shaft https://ibb.co/HF8LjCG AW well better luck next time eh as tomorrow will have to repair it all as the prop shaft has slid down the outer tube an jammed by the motor vibrations ATB ALL chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on September 11, 2023, 04:15:34 pm
Hi Chris, :-)) :-))
Sorry it didn’t go fully ok, but looking at your photos of the UJ, too me it look as the new motors may be to powerful the coupling an could be not strong enough to take the toque there putting out. I use these but I’m not a great fan of them. The only time I’ve had this happen its been when prop has been jammed up with something caught in it. Looking at the pic the lock nut looks as if it’s move or have you already started to dismantle the coupling .
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 11, 2023, 10:00:15 pm
Sorry it didn’t go fully ok, but looking at your photos of the UJ, too me it look as the new motors may be to powerful the coupling an could be not strong enough to take the toque there putting out. I use these but I’m not a great fan of them. The only time I’ve had this happen its been when prop has been jammed up with something caught in it. Looking at the pic the lock nut looks as if it’s move or have you already started to dismantle the coupling .
HI DAVE no ive not tuched it yet but im keepin the motors in if poss as the other U/J are ok as this one may have been weak plastic so i will fit nother in an then try again at halve throttle an ive had the prop shaft slid down the outer tube so im hopein to tap it back up into postion an then try her again on the 8th of october at tug an steam day ATB Dave to u both chris an jen
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Backerther on September 12, 2023, 05:56:02 am
Hi Chris,
I have seen your stunningly awesome Tiger sailing very realistic on the water with still photos. Didn't you take a video for a good chance to sail in the Norwich pond.?? A video is, needless to say, much better to appeal a moving model like your excellent Tiger to other people. :-)) I was surprised to know that the coupling had been broken with the slow sailing scale model..... I wonder why it came to such accident ??
Anyhow, your Tiger looks so realistic and generated such an atmosphere as the real ship. :-)) :-)) :-)) I do look forward to a video from the bottom of my heart next time.!! %% You had better ask your Jen to operate the camera in the special occasion. O0 :-))
Kiyo
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 12, 2023, 07:36:30 am
I have seen your stunningly awesome Tiger sailing very realistic on the water with still photos. Didn't you take a video for a good chance to sail in the Norwich pond.?? A video is, needless to say, much better to appeal a moving model like your excellent Tiger to other people. :-)) I was surprised to know that the coupling had been broken with the slow sailing scale model..... I wonder why it came to such accident ??
Anyhow, your Tiger looks so realistic and generated such an atmosphere as the real ship. :-)) :-)) :-)) I do look forward to a video from the bottom of my heart next time.!! %% You had better ask your Jen to operate the camera in the special occasion. O0 :-))
Kiyo
HI Kiyo many thanks for your kind words on my Tiger build an yes i was pleased at how she sailed but it only sailed for about 5 mins before the Universal jiont failed an this was at only half throttle so im goin to if i can turn down the power on my T/X DUAL RATES to about 70% INSTEAD of a 100% an then see how she goes but i think the reason the universal jiont failed was due to the heat of the day as it was 31C an it may have been a faultly one as all the other 3 are ok an the prop shaft turns freely an we are not use to this heat as we had to go home early as to hot an a video well a freind did a video of her sailin an he says he will put it on utube but when i dont know but if i find its on i will mention it on this forum ATB to you sir chrisb an jen :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on September 12, 2023, 04:00:34 pm
Hi Chris Sorry to hear another unsuccessful day, think I agree with Dave, that the prop may have fouled something but the motor just cracked on and found the weakest link, i.e. the coupling. Again fuse blowing, I think you have a major wiring issue somewhere and don't envy you trying to sort it. Trouble is having changed everything in one go, it will be hard to source the issue. Having said that she does look good on the water, hopefully next trip can be measured in hours not minutes. I don't think that the heat was the cause of the failure though.
Best to you both
bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Geoff on September 12, 2023, 04:40:20 pm
Looking very good but surprised you are still blowing fuses. As an off the wall thought, where is the thrust going as in looking at some earlier pictures I couldn't see any external thrust collars to transmit the force to the prop shaft casing and thence to the ship structure.
If the thrust is going to the engines via the couplings this could be a possible source of your issues as this will put significant pressure on the forward engine bearings which may overheat and cause drag and increased current consumption, the same with the couplings - a significant horizontal thrust will break the couplings as they are not designed to take this.
If the thrust is being picked up by the "A" frames then this will cause some distortion and misalignment of the "A" frames and again significant drag on the shafts and high current consumption, none of which will be apparent when trying the model out of the water.
Apologies if I missed the pictures with the thrust bearings, and I'm completely wrong, but just puzzled at the apparent high current consumption. My large 78 inch battleship has four props, two engines and weights about 60 pounds and runs on 6 volts and at full speed the current consumption is in the region of 3.5 amps. I protect each engine with a 5 amp fuse and the speed controller with a 10 amp fuse.
I'm sure you will sort it out but in the meantime you should be congratulated on a very fine and unusual model.
Cheers
Geoff
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on September 12, 2023, 04:40:46 pm
Chris,
Looking at your photo of the broken coupling, to me it looks as if the lock nut has came loose and it could have locked up on the outer shaft tubing. If this was the case this could also explain why the fuse blow.
Sorry if I’m miss reading your pic 👍
All the best to you and Jen.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 12, 2023, 04:42:56 pm
Hi Chris Sorry to hear another unsuccessful day, think I agree with Dave, that the prop may have fouled something but the motor just cracked on and found the weakest link, i.e. the coupling. Again fuse blowing, I think you have a major wiring issue somewhere and don't envy you trying to sort it. Trouble is having changed everything in one go, it will be hard to source the issue. Having said that she does look good on the water, hopefully next trip can be measured in hours not minutes. I don't think that the heat was the cause of the failure though.
Best to you both
bob [/quote
HI Bob nice to hear from you sir an today ive just started investigatein that universal jiont prob an firsly i have removed that U/J an had a close look at it an i see that to me the U/J is faulty as one of the brass pins that goes through it has no rivet top on it just flat an can be pulled through the plastic an lookin at the other pin which did not fail this pin has rivet heads on it so the pin wont pull through an it did not so i think that was part of the problem an the other problem i see today is to do with how much currant the motor was takin an the motor shaft is very stiff to turn so more currant drain an its a lot more harder to turn than the other 3 motors so im gonna order another motor to replace this bad one so then will give it another try wish me luck all as i'll need it had more probs on this ship than all the others put togeather Aaarrrccchhhhhhh ATB Bob we hope you are well sir an thanks for your info chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: JimG on September 12, 2023, 07:35:48 pm
Just a thought about the coupling, in the dim past I had one of these open up like this. It was being used in a fast electric at the time (less wattage than the modern versions). What I did was reassemble it then wrap the stem of the coupling with thread to stop it opening again under load. Did the job while the model was still under use. Jim
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 12, 2023, 09:14:57 pm
Just a thought about the coupling, in the dim past I had one of these open up like this. It was being used in a fast electric at the time (less wattage than the modern versions). What I did was reassemble it then wrap the stem of the coupling with thread to stop it opening again under load. Did the job while the model was still under use. Jim
HI Jim good idea but not for me not worth the hassle as bought 2 new ones from my local model shop for a fiver so when my new motor comes then i can begin to assemble it again for the umpteen time cheers Jim chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 12, 2023, 09:19:35 pm
Looking at your photo of the broken coupling, to me it looks as if the lock nut has came loose and it could have locked up on the outer shaft tubing. If this was the case this could also explain why the fuse blow.
Sorry if I’m miss reading your pic 👍
All the best to you and Jen.
HI Dave sorry i missed your post an yes you could be right on that lock nut as yes it had come undone but the shaft turned freely when i treid it with my fingers an cheers from jen an i chris jen
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: littoralcombat on September 13, 2023, 12:40:28 pm
Sorry to read of your new issues Chris. But on the plus side, Tiger ĺooks absolutely stunning on the water. Keep chipping away at the problems Mate. Nige
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Akira on September 13, 2023, 01:05:14 pm
Chris, Tiger looks wicked! :} . Sorry to hear about the u-joint. I have been using similar u-joints on all of my 1/4 scale models and have not, yet, had an issue with one. That said, the torque specs for these units are not that impressive. I carefully avoid shock loading them, as much as possible, when running them. usually when they fail, the metal hub spins in the plastic part. I have taken these units apart to make up imperial/metric ended units, without any issues.I hope tht you find your cause.Stay out of the heat, it make one drink too much ale. :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 15, 2023, 11:31:05 am
Sorry to read of your new issues Chris. But on the plus side, Tiger ĺooks absolutely stunning on the water. Keep chipping away at the problems Mate. Nige
HI Nige yes new probs but yes im chipping away at them as bought a new U/J but have found that the toruge that goes through that prop shaft was massive an i think it has bent the motor armiture an that is 5mm steel rod as now the motor has gone right stiff an treid it on a 12v batt an it runs but how stiff it is now i think it will draw more amps than the other motors so im takin it out an fittin in a new motor when it comes till then Tiger is u/s in the dockyard chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Akira on September 15, 2023, 01:15:20 pm
Chris, I would be VERY surprised if you managed to bend the motor shaft. Being supported by two bushings or bearings, it would be doubtful. That said, I bought a series of motors fro Action and one of them was bound up. I found that the armature shaft had slid in the bearings, maybe it was dropped, and the commutator was shoved into the brushes. A light tap with a hammer moved the shaft enough and it ran free. It is possible, especially if you have not fitted a thrust bearing, that the motor shaft has done the same thing.Try removing the motor and tapping, gently, the commutator end of the shaft. If it works then you have found your issue. Also, if it works, then you need to install thrust bearings, which I would suggest to be between the shaft tube and the A frame on the outer shafts, and the prop and the tube on the inner shafts. You might be advised to address all of your shafts and motors this way to eliminate end thrust upon the motor shafts. An added advantage is that this will also eliminate end thrust upon your u-Joints, which are not designed to carry any anyhow. Good luckJonathan
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 15, 2023, 01:25:00 pm
Chris, Tiger looks wicked! :} . Sorry to hear about the u-joint. I have been using similar u-joints on all of my 1/4 scale models and have not, yet, had an issue with one. That said, the torque specs for these units are not that impressive. I carefully avoid shock loading them, as much as possible, when running them. usually when they fail, the metal hub spins in the plastic part. I have taken these units apart to make up imperial/metric ended units, without any issues.I hope tht you find your cause.Stay out of the heat, it make one drink too much ale. :embarrassed:
IM TEETOTAL LOL an glad you like the pics of her sailin an yes i was pleaded for 5 mins till it happend ive had more probs on this ship than the other big 7 ship Aaarrrrgghhhhh chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 15, 2023, 01:33:09 pm
Chris, I would be VERY surprised if you managed to bend the motor shaft. Being supported by two bushings or bearings, it would be doubtful. That said, I bought a series of motors fro Action and one of them was bound up. I found that the armature shaft had slid in the bearings, maybe it was dropped, and the commutator was shoved into the brushes. A light tap with a hammer moved the shaft enough and it ran free. It is possible, especially if you have not fitted a thrust bearing, that the motor shaft has done the same thing.Try removing the motor and tapping, gently, the commutator end of the shaft. If it works then you have found your issue. Also, if it works, then you need to install thrust bearings, which I would suggest to be between the shaft tube and the A frame on the outer shafts, and the prop and the tube on the inner shafts. You might be advised to address all of your shafts and motors this way to eliminate end thrust upon the motor shafts. An added advantage is that this will also eliminate end thrust upon your u-Joints, which are not designed to carry any anyhow. Good luckJonathan
HI Johnathan yes will give it a try but cant fit them thrust berins on the prop shaft between them aframes as i cant get the shafts out as they have seiced tight when i was F/G RESIN in them as should have fitted talcom poweder to the resin to make it thick but forgot so it has sealed the shafts in their utter tubes hope you understand what i mean an yes you are proberly right on that motor shaft but got a new motor comin so will wait till it here ATB SIR CHRISB
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Geoff on September 15, 2023, 04:43:10 pm
To clarify the thrust bearings slide over the solid rotating prop shaft and typically use a grub screw to lock them the the shaft. They are only a cone shaped piece of brass with a brass washers at the end such the thrust of the rotating shaft passes to the fixed outer casing so no need to de-resin anything. This will transfer the load/thrust to the outer casing and hence to the ships hull. You will need a similar arrangement on the inside to take the thrust when going astern but a simple collet will suffice or a couple of extra lock nuts. Its also important to have about 1mm clearance or float each way so the shaft can find its natural position.
Best
Geoff
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on September 15, 2023, 04:57:44 pm
Chris I am confused about your reply about the thrust bearing, why would you take the tube out, bearings simply fit over the shaft and are secured y grub screw, easy job to do. or have I misread it?
Regards
Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 15, 2023, 05:34:22 pm
To clarify the thrust bearings slide over the solid rotating prop shaft and typically use a grub screw to lock them the the shaft. They are only a cone shaped piece of brass with a brass washers at the end such the thrust of the rotating shaft passes to the fixed outer casing so no need to de-resin anything. This will transfer the load/thrust to the outer casing and hence to the ships hull. You will need a similar arrangement on the inside to take the thrust when going astern but a simple collet will suffice or a couple of extra lock nuts. Its also important to have about 1mm clearance or float each way so the shaft can find its natural position.
Best
Geoff
HI Geoff the thrust bearing fit up the prop shaft dont they? but my prop shafts are a full lenght tube so no can do an to add to your answer Bob an if you still dont see what i mean i will fit on a link pic ? chris
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Akira on September 15, 2023, 10:42:31 pm
Going back and looking at your photo of your motors, It certainly appear the the fan inside the starboard motor is pushed back relative to the port motor.I think I understand about your shafts. One possible way to deal with the issue is to build a thrust block, between the stuffing tube and the u-joint inside. You could then use a simple caged bearing the the shaft nut would bear against. Room does appear to be getting tight in there... :D
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: derekwarner on September 16, 2023, 03:22:26 am
Akira is certainly correct with the motor internal fan positioning, however from this, it also appears the complete armature shaft has been forced backwards out of the motor by ~~2 mm?
Many of these general series of motors have a nylon spacer & two stainless shim washers [one at either end of the motor shaft], collectively these 3 components take up any torque related longitudinal movement/backlash between the stator & the rotor
The rotor carbon brush segments are now also out of the original alignment by the same ~~2 mm...........
From this occurring, it is possible that the nylon spacer has melted during the episode where the shaft coupling was destroyed
This motor may rotate under power, however it will not mirror the output or performance of the opposite motor
If the motor endcap is fusion, or spot welded to the stator body shell, then it could be considered as not suitable for reinstallation in Tiger [C20]
Derek
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 16, 2023, 07:48:37 am
HI Akria an Derek to keep this simple yes im doin away with that motor an have a new one on the way so should when i fit this new motor TIGER should be ok for another sortie an to cut the power down a bit im goin to reduse the power to these motors by reducein the daul rates in the T/X down to about 70% an if i can see if i can fit in my T/X a rachtit on the throttle lever so i can keep TIGER at a steady speed an not flank speed so as not to blow them 40 amp fuses an hope this idea will work but thank you both for you ideas an info cheers both an thank you for stoppin to talk much apperciated ATB chrisb :-)) ps an ive fitted in on them all prop shafts near the universal jionts a mountin tube to hold the prop shaft strurdy but the force was massive when this U/J broke the mounting was broken out from the hull bottom so that regluded so see how she goes
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on September 16, 2023, 01:48:42 pm
Chris,
Not to teach you to suck eggs, but once you have installed the new motor and UJ I would put a bit of light oil on the motor bearings and run the motor in for half and hour and keep an eye on motors and shaft temps. All the best let’s hope this is hopefully your major issue with the drive system. :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on September 16, 2023, 04:47:31 pm
HI Geoff the thrust bearing fit up the prop shaft dont they? but my prop shafts are a full lenght tube so no can do an to add to your answer Bob an if you still dont see what i mean i will fit on a link pic ? chris
Chris but your prop shafts are not full length as they run into A frames so its a case of pulling the rotating shaft back a touch slide the bearing on and push it so its close to the tube and job done
Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 16, 2023, 07:39:09 pm
Chris but your prop shafts are not full length as they run into A frames so its a case of pulling the rotating shaft back a touch slide the bearing on and push it so its close to the tube and job done
Bob
HI Bob if you look at the prop tube its that a prop tube with the prop shaft inside so no way can an they are full are full lenth stainless steel tubes chrisb https://ibb.co/QKyBGbX (https://ibb.co/QKyBGbX)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on September 17, 2023, 12:12:47 pm
HI Bob if you look at the prop tube its that a prop tube with the prop shaft inside so no way can an they are full are full length stainless steel tubes chrisb https://ibb.co/QKyBGbX (https://ibb.co/QKyBGbX)
Chris hate to disagree with you but the prop tube is not full length. Remove propeller, disconnect shaft, slide it clear of A frame put thrust bearing over shaft and reassemble making sure the bearing is no to tight against end of tube, same internally. if you like I will take a couple of pics to show it.
Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on September 17, 2023, 04:50:09 pm
two image Chris and the bearings can be seen clearly so no problem that I can see for Tiger
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: littoralcombat on September 17, 2023, 10:30:10 pm
Hi Bob, Is the second image the arrangement you have on your HMS Bristol by chance? Nige
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Geoff on September 18, 2023, 09:35:51 am
From the last posted picture of Tiger's shafts it does appear that the trust bearings are absent so the thrust will pass straight to the engines and put a lot of pressure on their bearings longitudinally which they are not designed to take, both significantly increasing friction and therefore current consumption. As the bearings overheat they may partially seize and then blow the fuses. It will also overload the universal joints, and as the other picture shows there seems to have been some longitudinal movement within one of the engines this all seems to suggest the prop thrust is being born by the engines. The thrust will also probably be sufficient to push the engines slightly out of alignment so again further friction and stress.
I would counsel you remove the prop shafts by sliding them aft and fit some thrust bearings to abut against the outer casing as the later pictures show on another model. This should fix your problem.
However if I understood an earlier comment that some resin had dropped onto the rotating shaft precluding its removal then there are two solutions:
Firstly run the engines on the bench and use a file to file off the resin until you reach metal and then the shaft can be removed by sliding it aft. A bit like a miniature lathe.
Secondly you can construct a strong internal "L" shaped bracket fixed to the hull bottom with a hole which the shaft goes through and use that to take the thrust with a collet and a couple of washers either side. It may mean that the engines will need to be mover forwards about an inch
Hope this may help.
Cheers
Geoff
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 18, 2023, 01:25:34 pm
Chris hate to disagree with you but the prop tube is not full length. Remove propeller, disconnect shaft, slide it clear of A frame put thrust bearing over shaft and reassemble making sure the bearing is no to tight against end of tube, same internally. if you like I will take a couple of pics to show it.
Bob
HI Bob an Nige an Geoff please understand that my prop shafts are INSIDE the stainles steel prop tube SO NO WAY CAN I FIT them thrust collors on i hope you under stand guys as Bob your pics show just the prop shaft doesnt it well mine are in STAINLESS STEEL prop tubes FULL LENGHT RIGHT DOWN TO ALL 4 A FRAMES https://ibb.co/QKyBGbX (https://ibb.co/QKyBGbX) chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on September 18, 2023, 01:39:17 pm
HI Bob an Nige an Geoff please understand that my prop shafts are INSIDE the stainles steel prop tube SO NO WAY CAN I FIT them thrust collors on i hope you under stand guys as Bob your pics show just the prop shaft doesnt it well mine are in STAINLESS STEEL prop tubes FULL LENGHT RIGHT DOWN TO ALL 4 A FRAMES https://ibb.co/QKyBGbX (https://ibb.co/QKyBGbX) chrisb
Chris you have totally lost me and I cant understand the problem, you are saying yours are different because you have tubes and I only have shafts, if you look you can see the tube just showing as per 1/1 scale, yours cant be full length otherwise you would not have the shaft running through the A frame, the method of fitting has been explained here, remove prop disconnect saft from motor pull back couple of inches the slide the bearing over the shaft and tighten all up. You say your tubes run down al the way to the A frame, but that's not what your picture show. It shows a prop tube stopping just out side the hull then the exposed prop shaft running into the A frame exactly the same as both the pictures I have posted. I cant explain it any better Chris
Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Geoff on September 18, 2023, 02:39:58 pm
Okay, I think I understand. What we are seeing in the picture is an outer stainless steel cover which does not rotate. There is another solid inner shaft inside this which rotates so there is no way a shaft bearing will fit in the traditional way, is that right?
If this is correct then theoretically the thrust can be taken by the "A" frame as this is directly linked and supported to the hull by the outer stainless steel casing, in which case no other thrust bearing is needed.
If this is correct, and I've never seen it built this way before, which explains the confusion. Sadly it may also introduce significant drag between the rotating shaft proper and the outer stainless steel casing depending upon the internal clearances and therefore higher current consumption.
So, with all engines disconnected do the four shafts rotate easily.
There are always solutions to any problem.
Cheers
Geoff
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Geoff on September 18, 2023, 03:21:58 pm
As an add on, if the thrust is not taken by the "A" frames then it will push directly onto the couplings and the engine bearings which will cause issues.
Cheers
Geoff
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on September 18, 2023, 05:14:23 pm
Geoff Are we talking about bearings in the engineering sense i.e. inner and out or the thrust bearings that you can see on my images i.e. the conical parts with grub screw? these are what I call thrust bearing along with a collet at the other end, which in essence creates a tube with a shaft in it which can rotate but with a bearing either end has no lateral movement.
Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 18, 2023, 05:20:49 pm
Okay, I think I understand. What we are seeing in the picture is an outer stainless steel cover which does not rotate. There is another solid inner shaft inside this which rotates so there is no way a shaft bearing will fit in the traditional way, is that right?
If this is correct then theoretically the thrust can be taken by the "A" frame as this is directly linked and supported to the hull by the outer stainless steel casing, in which case no other thrust bearing is needed.
If this is correct, and I've never seen it built this way before, which explains the confusion. Sadly it may also introduce significant drag between the rotating shaft proper and the outer stainless steel casing depending upon the internal clearances and therefore higher current consumption.
So, with all engines disconnected do the four shafts rotate easily.
There are always solutions to any problem.
Cheers
Geoff
HI Geoff yes youve got it in one you are correct just hope Bob can understand what you are sayin as yes you are correct as ive fitted these long prop shafts tubes in nearly all my models eceptin on my edinbough an never had this trouble before but glad you see what i mean as yes them STAINLESS STEEL PROP TUBES do look like the inner shaft but they are the outer tube glad we have this sorted ATB guys chrisb
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Post by: frogman3 on September 18, 2023, 05:25:22 pm
Geoff Are we talking about bearings in the engineering sense i.e. inner and out or the thrust bearings that you can see on my images i.e. the conical parts with grub screw? these are what I call thrust bearing along with a collet at the other end, which in essence creates a tube with a shaft in it which can rotate but with a bearing either end has no lateral movement.
Bob
HI Bob i fitted these prop tubes as they are a lot cheaper than your idea im afraid to cut costs hope you understand chrisb :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on September 18, 2023, 05:48:23 pm
Chris Nope still not with it and as my full set of bearing cost £5 your shafts must have been dirt cheap Fleet scale do them set of 4 around £10 think i get what you are saying, seems an awful convoluted way of doing things, why make a simple task harder. Amway I am out of this now, have fun sailing
Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 18, 2023, 08:17:12 pm
Chris Nope still not with it and as my full set of bearing cost £5 your shafts must have been dirt cheap Fleet scale do them set of 4 around £10 think i get what you are saying, seems an awful convoluted way of doing things, why make a simple task harder. Amway I am out of this now, have fun sailing
Bob
OK Bob sorry you dont understand atb chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: ballastanksian on September 18, 2023, 10:27:03 pm
Cor! I liked the look of her on the water. Very regal indeed and quite American Navy looking in some ways.
I hope you get your drivetrain all sorted out and the new motor does its job. I reckon she will be a wonderful sailer for you!
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 19, 2023, 09:34:03 am
Cor! I liked the look of her on the water. Very regal indeed and quite American Navy looking in some ways.
I hope you get your drivetrain all sorted out and the new motor does its job. I reckon she will be a wonderful sailer for you!
HI Well as soon as the new motor comes i will fit it in an then try her again an yes im pleased at how she looks on the water but OH MY she is heavy ATB CHRISB
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 19, 2023, 09:46:36 am
Not to teach you to suck eggs, but once you have installed the new motor and UJ I would put a bit of light oil on the motor bearings and run the motor in for half and hour and keep an eye on motors and shaft temps. All the best let’s hope this is hopefully your major issue with the drive system. :-)) :-))
HI Dave yes i will do that really should have fitted oil ways in the prop shafts tubes but i thought that the grease in side the tube would do the job but havin said that all 4 shafts spin freely so why this shaft problem happened i dont know but them motors are very powerfull as my boaty m8 held onto her bow to stop her from floating away an when i tested the throttle she shot forward an nearl pulled my m8 into the water an he was shocked at the motors props thrust so to move this very heavy ship its just what i needed an to cut down the power a bit im thinkin of lowerin the dual rates on the T/X from 100% down to 70% so the eletrics wont get full power to blow fuses an wirein an such but will see how that works against the wind as she is big an a good wind cather ATB HOPE you feel better sir chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Geoff on September 19, 2023, 12:05:13 pm
Okay, to clarify a little further, Tiger has been fitted with long narrow prop tubes and shafts such that from the pictures it looks like the silver bit is the rotating shaft but actually its the exterior of the prop tube so does not rotate. I am still of the opinion that issues are being caused by where the thrust is going. As Tigers shafts are completely cased and therefore directly support the "A" frames then the thrust can be taken by the "A" frames (as its really pushing on the outer prop shaft casing) without causing any distortion. So I would counsel you check the clearances at the "A" frames to make sure that is where the thrust goes first and not onto the couplings and direct to the engines. Put one of two small brass washers between the prop and the "A" frames and they will act as thrust bearings. You want about 1mm float at this point- but important the shaft is free to move forwards on to the "A" frames to take the thrust.
Its important to ensure that there is room for the plastic part of the couplings to slide horizontally a few mm as this will prevent the thrust going to the engines. This can be done simply by making sure there is a 1mm gap between the brass collet (brass grooved thing) and the plastic part of the universal joint at each end). This will mean there is no direct horizontal thrust acting on the universal joint or the actual engine. Same for reverse - put two lock nuts on to stop the shaft pulling out.
As the shafts rotate freely this will remove any thrust bearing issues and consequent overloading of the engines and high current consumption and will eliminate this aspect as a concern.
I only ever use grease in my prop shafts and don't bother with oiling tubes as in practice I have found little or no leakage for years.
Hope this may assist.
Cheers
Geoff
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 19, 2023, 01:04:47 pm
HI Geoff yes you are right that the prop shafts tubes are long about 15 " stainless steel prop tube an ive always uesed these in my ship as the prop tube is a lot cheaper than the short tube an uncorvded out prop shaft as to buy these would could me a lot of money x4 so for me the prop tube an shaft inside are the way to go an yes with grease inside them them are good an stronger too than just a open prop shaft an yes i have about a 1mm move ment on them shafts so they normally are good an the other 3 all motors an prop shafts all work ok an my m8's put a amp meter across the motor terminals an found each motor is drawin near 8 amps each x4 so thats 32 amps in all 4 motors so havin 40 amp fuses fitted in the system should be ok just be glad when the new motor comes but dave may be right as when i looked in the hull after the accident with u/j the lock nut had come lose so when i put it all back in i' make sure them lock nuts are tight
CHEERS chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 19, 2023, 03:21:06 pm
HI Bob this is for you so you can understand my prop configeration an here is a stainless steel prop shaft cost 18 pound an lenght 16" so you if poss you can see what i mean on them prop shaft not bein able to fit thrust collars like you have on your ship an there is also a close up shot showin the inners drive shaft inside the outer tube fitted with a prop now i hope you can see what i was talking about ATB Bob chris https://ibb.co/sbqQWt5 https://ibb.co/W5vqTtV
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Geoff on September 19, 2023, 03:28:43 pm
Interesting, and I assume the props were in the water when the ammeter was attached? If not once in the water the current consumption will be higher. In my opinion 8 amps per motor still seems very high which continues to suggest a miss-match in some way. As mentioned before Iron Duke is running two car blower motors driving four 45mm 4 blade props on 6 volts and max current is 3.4 amps. I don't know what the RPM is but would speculate its not more than 3000 rpm so on the low side.
Do please consider it may be better to put a 10 amp fuse on each engine and a 40 amp fuse on the speed controller as in that way you could loose one engine and not leave the model stationary.
Also have a good look at the fuses as there are different types, quick blow = pretty nearly instantaneous, slow blow = they will take more amps for a few seconds but blow if sustained and then continuous rating = they will run certain amps all day without blowing.
As another thought, I assume you are running tiger on 12 volts, what happens if you run on 6 volts as this will immediately and approximately half your current consumption. 12 volt motors will run happily on 6 volts, just less power but if she goes fast enough?
Cheers and good fortune
Geoff
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: tweety777 on September 19, 2023, 04:20:27 pm
As another thought, I assume you are running tiger on 12 volts, what happens if you run on 6 volts as this will immediately and approximately half your current consumption. 12 volt motors will run happily on 6 volts, just less power but if she goes fast enough?
This sounds really off. The engine needs a certain amount of power, cut the voltage in half and you'll need double the amps to get that power. The engines will simply take what they need so I don't see how this will do any good.
I agree that even 8amps per motor sounds really much. My Well Enhancer (probably a lot smaller then this cruiser) runs happily at less then an amp at full power with 2 38mm props, so those are not that much smaller. Could it be that the props are too small for the ship causing them to have lots of friction to actually get the ship moving? Also, maybe a 1:2 gearbox can help, this can also help take away the problem with the u/j.
Greetings Josse.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 19, 2023, 04:26:15 pm
Interesting, and I assume the props were in the water when the ammeter was attached? If not once in the water the current consumption will be higher. In my opinion 8 amps per motor still seems very high which continues to suggest a miss-match in some way. As mentioned before Iron Duke is running two car blower motors driving four 45mm 4 blade props on 6 volts and max current is 3.4 amps. I don't know what the RPM is but would speculate its not more than 3000 rpm so on the low side.
Do please consider it may be better to put a 10 amp fuse on each engine and a 40 amp fuse on the speed controller as in that way you could loose one engine and not leave the model stationary.
Also have a good look at the fuses as there are different types, quick blow = pretty nearly instantaneous, slow blow = they will take more amps for a few seconds but blow if sustained and then continuous rating = they will run certain amps all day without blowing.
As another thought, I assume you are running tiger on 12 volts, what happens if you run on 6 volts as this will immediately and approximately half your current consumption. 12 volt motors will run happily on 6 volts, just less power but if she goes fast enough?
Cheers and good fortune
Geoff
HI Geoff yes in the water for load on motor amps test an i think 6v is not enough power for these motors as the range starts at 12v an up to 36v an the ESC are rated at 320 amps so i should not blow them an fuse type it dont say what type they are just 40 amps so im gonna fit it all back togeather when that new motor comes an try tiger out at a low power by dual rates an see how she goes fingers crossed cheers Geoff for your input atb chisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: tweety777 on September 19, 2023, 04:38:35 pm
HI Geoff yes in the water for load on motor amps test an i think 6v is not enough power for these motors as the range starts at 12v an up to 36v an the ESC are rated at 320 amps so i should not blow them an fuse type it dont say what type they are just 40 amps so im gonna fit it all back togeather when that new motor comes an try tiger out at a low power by dual rates an see how she goes fingers crossed cheers Geoff for your input atb chisb
How many ESC's do you use? 1 per engine? 2 or only 1? Is it possible that you wired the ESC's and/ or engines such that they actually get either 6V or 3V? That could also explain the high amps, especially since Tiger sails pretty well which seems to suggest that the props are powerful enough.
Greetings Josse
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 19, 2023, 04:40:33 pm
This sounds really off. The engine needs a certain amount of power, cut the voltage in half and you'll need double the amps to get that power. The engines will simply take what they need so I don't see how this will do any good.
I agree that even 8amps per motor sounds really much. My Well Enhancer (probably a lot smaller then this cruiser) runs happily at less then an amp at full power with 2 38mm props, so those are not that much smaller. Could it be that the props are too small for the ship causing them to have lots of friction to actually get the ship moving? Also, maybe a 1:2 gearbox can help, this can also help take away the problem with the u/j.
Greetings Josse.
HI Josse yes i feel you are right on the batt voltage an i dont want to change things anymore as its all been changed abot 5 times so im goin with what ive got if i can get 15 mins sailin with her then i'll be pleased an yes this is the first time ive had motors on direct drive as all my other big ships had a 3 to 1 ratio cambelt drive an i never had any probs but i hope to cure this just got to keep tryin as ive invested to much dosh in tiger cheers chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 19, 2023, 05:05:21 pm
How many ESC's do you use? 1 per engine? 2 or only 1? Is it possible that you wired the ESC's and/ or engines such that they actually get either 6V or 3V? That could also explain the high amps, especially since Tiger sails pretty well which seems to suggest that the props are powerful enough.
Greetings Josse
HI AGAIN i am usein 2 x 320 amp ESC so its 1 esc to power two motors an the same on the other two motors an i alway used this layout with multi engins ships like my big USS NIMITZ CVN 68 aircraft carrier at 9 ft long but again with 3-1 ratio cambelt drives an they were made by MFA but they dont make these units no more but NIMITZ sails lovely so this direct drive may be a bit of my problem https://ibb.co/pb1BBP3 cheers chris
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Geoff on September 20, 2023, 01:49:31 pm
HI Josse yes i feel you are right on the batt voltage an i dont want to change things anymore as its all been changed abot 5 times so im goin with what ive got if i can get 15 mins sailin with her then i'll be pleased an yes this is the first time ive had motors on direct drive as all my other big ships had a 3 to 1 ratio cambelt drive an i never had any probs but i hope to cure this just got to keep tryin as ive invested to much dosh in tiger[/size]cheerschrisb
Okay, there is the miss-match. You are on direct drive so similar motors to those you have used in the past will draw massively more current. If you are using relatively high speed motors then the props are overloading them hence the unusually high current consumption. When you gear them down they are not overloaded as they have much more torque so they draw very much less current. This difference is causing all of your problems.
You need relatively slow revving engines for direct drive in this application.
The observation re current consumption on 6 volts vs 12 volts is in error as on 6 volts the potential difference is so much less the current consumption will drop significantly.
I have measured this with ammeters in the water. ID runs on 6 volts and draws 3.5 amps. On 12 volts it draws over 7 amps and has far too much power. In practical terms about 4 times. Whilst any electrical item will draw what it needs the available voltage makes a huge difference. Its quite a common practice to use 12 volt motors on 6 volts to reduce current consumption assuming the delivered performance is ok.
Many years ago I made a test rig using standard 540 type motors on direct drive for a 6 ft battleship and the current consumption was in the 20 amp range each. When I used belts to a 3 to 1 ratio they only drew 3.5 amps and gave more than enough performance.
In ID I run on 6volts and have a total capacity of 24.5 amp hours and can sail her for about 3 hours plus. The motors are two car blower motors which are designed to run on 14 volts.
The short answer to cure your issues is to do what you have before with a 3 to 1 ratio and this will transform the performance.
Cheers
Geoff
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Geoff on September 20, 2023, 03:40:03 pm
As an add on it will also completely stop any direct thrust to the engines.
G
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 20, 2023, 06:51:54 pm
HI Geoff as an add on will stop thrust to engines ? dont understand what you are sayin sir chris {:-{
Since the propshaft is connected to the gearbox rather then the engine there is no thrust transferred into the engine anymore. An additional benefit when using gears only is that a slight movement of the propshaft will not result in loss of power on the propshaft. When using a belt drive this is more of a problem but still less then it is now.
@Geoff,
Thanks for the clarification, I didn't expect that but if the engines are too powerful it sounds logical indeed.
Greetings Josse
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 20, 2023, 09:07:48 pm
Since the propshaft is connected to the gearbox rather then the engine there is no thrust transferred into the engine anymore. An additional benefit when using gears only is that a slight movement of the propshaft will not result in loss of power on the propshaft. When using a belt drive this is more of a problem but still less then it is now.
@Geoff,
Thanks for the clarification, I didn't expect that but if the engines are too powerful it sounds logical indeed.
Greetings Josse
HI Josse from what i can understand here in the posts if the motors are too powerfull then i am goin to cut down the power fed to them motors by the daul rates on the T/X to about 70 % power an see how that goes chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: tweety777 on September 20, 2023, 09:19:42 pm
HI Josse from what i can understand here in the posts if the motors are too powerfull then i am goin to cut down the power fed to them motors by the daul rates on the T/X to about 70 % power an see how that goes chrisb
I'm not really firmiliar with dual rates, if that actually cuts the voltage it could work, if not only lowering the voltage will really have effect. But I'm really only guessing here.
Greetings Josse
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 21, 2023, 08:03:41 am
I'm not really firmiliar with dual rates, if that actually cuts the voltage it could work, if not only lowering the voltage will really have effect. But I'm really only guessing here.
Greetings Josse
HI Josse yes dual rates work well cutin down the power to the motors BUT they are in the T/X an it says so in my T/X instruckions that i can do this an when my new motor arrives in about novemeber an lord knows why its takin so long to come but when it does i'll fit it in an let it run for a while to bed it in an then try out these D/R just got to hope it works on seperate channels an not all of them at once as i have these D/R on my 40 meg futtaba 6 cha R/C an they do cut down the power to my HMS NORFOLK FRIGATE or fit in a ratchet on the throttle on my carsons T/X so i know they work ive just got to find out how on my carsons 14 channel T/X cheers for your reply sir Chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on September 24, 2023, 11:43:05 am
Hi Chris,
PM and email sent to Martin
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on September 25, 2023, 01:24:00 pm
Great your back online :-)) :-)) :-))
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Post by: frogman3 on September 25, 2023, 01:30:13 pm
Yes Dave ITS GREAT TO BE BACK i felt as though id lost my best freind :-)) an thank you Martin :-)) many thanks from me to you BOTH chrisb :-))
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Post by: frogman3 on September 25, 2023, 01:36:53 pm
HI GUYS now im back on site any of you got any ideas of why my motor has seized up as i did what someone said that it may need runnin in so i let it run at half throttle for 30 mins an it just got worst an i put a little 3in 1 oil on the bearins an sqirted some wd40 into the motor an now its seized up funny this as ive never had this happen before with a motor so what you guys think ? :-)) chris
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on September 25, 2023, 01:44:53 pm
Chris,
The motor should not have seized on no load run, did the motor get hot? I assume it a new motor or was it the old one ?
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 25, 2023, 02:07:59 pm
The motor should not have seized on no load run, did the motor get hot? I assume it a new motor or was it the old one ?
HI Dave it was a brand new motor that i bought what martin recommened an my god they are powerfull as ratein is 12 to 36v an no it was not under load just fitted in its mountin an screwed down to table top an let run for 30 mins at half throttle chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on September 25, 2023, 02:12:46 pm
Then there is an issue with that motor from new, it’s good that you test run it as it could have seized on the lake.
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Post by: frogman3 on September 25, 2023, 02:24:41 pm
Then there is an issue with that motor from new, it’s good that you test run it as it could have seized on the lake.
WELL Dave its the motor that broke the universal jiont an prop mountin in side the hull why it did that i dont know as the prop shaft turned easy an all the other 3 motors run great so perhaps it was faulty as i contacted the person who was sellin them motors to tell him that it has seized up but no answer yet an i'll post a pic if i can of them motors what martin kindly shew me chris
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Post by: frogman3 on September 25, 2023, 02:38:46 pm
HI again Dave here is a linkpic of them motors that Martin recommened an they are a very powerfull motors an im very pleased with them as they moved tiger with ease https://ibb.co/58Lntjc an im thinkin of orderin 2 more for my next ship if i do one chrisb
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Post by: T888 on September 25, 2023, 03:15:37 pm
Chris,
They look powerful :-)) the last time I had to use powerful motor like that for a warship model was on HMS Clyde, for her I used 2 MFA Torpedo 800 motors.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 25, 2023, 03:20:09 pm
They look powerful :-)) the last time I had to use powerful motor like that for a warship model was on HMS Clyde, for her I used 2 MFA Torpedo 800 motors.
any clue on why its seized up though Dave ? an i may do that hms clyde or hms starling as that has gun turrest on an look a nice ship so at them moment just got to get tiger all set to go ATB to you an Andrea chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 25, 2023, 03:23:44 pm
The motor should not have seized on no load run, did the motor get hot? I assume it a new motor or was it the old one ?
AN NO Dave motor has a big coolin fan fitted in it so no not got hot just started to go slower as it seized up an yes all 4 motors are new an this one had about 5 mins run on load on pond chrisb chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on September 25, 2023, 03:49:31 pm
Chris,
No, but you did say that Tiger blow a 30amp fuse and you fitted a 40 amp fuse, so other than if the prop was jammed, locknut came loose and locked up against the prop or coupling. Without sitting down with you face to face and to go through everything that happened, it’s a bit of guess. sorry can’t help.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 25, 2023, 04:04:59 pm
No, but you did say that Tiger blow a 30amp fuse and you fitted a 40 amp fuse, so other than if the prop was jammed, locknut came loose and locked up against the prop or coupling. Without sitting down with you face to face and to go through everything that happened, it’s a bit of guess. sorry can’t help.
Never mind Dave yes it did but the prop shaft was not locked an it turned easy an no weed in pond unless i hit a big fish as there are some in the pond an that caused the prop to stop abrutly well never know an cheers for your help today sir atb chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Akira on September 26, 2023, 01:01:45 pm
Chris, Why are you fitting a 9000 rpm motor? To me, that sounds ridiculously fast. I hope that you get straightened out so that you can run reliably.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: unbuiltnautilus on September 26, 2023, 01:14:07 pm
Bit of a left field suggestion, the mounting screws that attach the motor to the mount are not slightly too long are they? Slacken them off a turn or two and see if you can turn the motor over by hand.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on September 26, 2023, 01:44:36 pm
Good call Alan, :-)) Chris worth looking at.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Geoff on September 26, 2023, 01:52:25 pm
My understanding of Dual Rate simply means that you can adjust the throw of a servo - same as with a speed controller. It just means that when you move the stick instead of getting 100% of the power you only get a lesser amount of power. You get the same physical movement but it limits the throttle so the motor won't go as fast. Rather like just using a little throttle instead but fundamentally it may not change the issues of the props overloading the motors. If you geared the motors down or used toothed belts as you have in your other models all of the issues you are having will be resolved.
Cheers
Geoff
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: C-3PO on September 26, 2023, 02:24:45 pm
https://youtu.be/cDkaDY_OeVU
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 26, 2023, 07:33:05 pm
Chris, Why are you fitting a 9000 rpm motor? To me, that sounds ridiculously fast. I hope that you get straightened out so that you can run reliably. [/ quote]
HI AKira well tiger is very heavy model so to move her these motors are just right better to have to much power then as ive foun out with them smaller motors not enough power chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 26, 2023, 07:36:43 pm
Bit of a left field suggestion, the mounting screws that attach the motor to the mount are not slightly too long are they? Slacken them off a turn or two and see if you can turn the motor over by hand.
YES i could turn it by hand but i took the motor right out of the ship to try running it in but it just got so tight only way i could turn the motor shaft was with plyiers so new motor comin chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 26, 2023, 07:38:08 pm
HI AKira well tiger is very heavy model so to move her these motors are just right better to have to much power then as ive foun out with them smaller motors not enough power[/size]chrisb
Hi Chris,
I think Akira is more referring to the RPM's being high, the power of the engine is not related to the RPM's. These propellers should not need much more then say 4000 to 5000 RPM to move the ship at a nice topspeed, assuming 45mm propellers if I remember correctly. That means that you could perfectly add a 1:2 gear ratio to get even more power from the eniges while they most likely will run more efficiënt.
Greetings Josse
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 27, 2023, 08:50:11 am
I think Akira is more referring to the RPM's being high, the power of the engine is not related to the RPM's. These propellers should not need much more then say 4000 to 5000 RPM to move the ship at a nice topspeed, assuming 45mm propellers if I remember correctly. That means that you could perfectly add a 1:2 gear ratio to get even more power from the eniges while they most likely will run more efficiënt.
Greetings Josse
HI Josse yes i understand what you are sayin an yes i would like to have fitted in a cambelt drive where the prop is geared down to 3to 1 ratio but MFA who made them dont make them any more as ive never had this prob while usein them in my big nimizt carrier an other big warships ive built but this is the very first time ive used motors in the direct drive so thats why im goin to try out them dual rattes to slow down the motor an if you think about it it better to have more power than not enough if yu get my meaning but thanks for your reply Josse chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 27, 2023, 12:12:01 pm
HI GUYS well been havin another look at that seized up motor as i took it out of the ship an tuningthe shaft took a pair of plyeires but when takein out the mounting holdin bolts i found that it then turned freely an ive been running it again at half throttle an it runs ok forward an back so all i can think one of the mountin bolts must be a bit to long so when i tightened it up with their allen key it must have been hitting the armature in the motor so part my fault an the manufacter an it must have locked when runnin an the shock of the locked motor broke the universal jiont so thats a mystrey clearded up an i will dump that bolt as it came in a pack of 20 bolts just my luck to pick out the bad bolt to fit in the mountin to hold the motor :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed: O0 O0 O0 %) %) %) >>:-( OH BOY chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Capt Podge on September 27, 2023, 01:37:19 pm
Well Chris, its good to know the problem has been identified, and good call by Unbuiltnautilus. :-))
Cheers, Ray.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 27, 2023, 02:33:21 pm
Bit of a left field suggestion, the mounting screws that attach the motor to the mount are not slightly too long are they? Slacken them off a turn or two and see if you can turn the motor over by hand.
yes sir you were right very well done it was just one which was hittin the armature in the motor would have treid your suggetion earlyer but been busy thank for your info sir as capt podge has said :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed: O0 O0 <*< >>:-( at myself lol chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on September 27, 2023, 02:54:10 pm
Chris,
First pleased the new motor is OK.
So this has sorted the NEW motor when you were running it in ?
Are you thinking this was the reason for the UJ braking ?
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 27, 2023, 10:10:27 pm
So this has sorted the NEW motor when you were running it in ?
Are you thinking this was the reason for the UJ braking ?
HI Dave yes i am but my brand new motor has come today so im goin to fit that in an keep the old motor as a spare an i will rig it all up tomorrow an then try it out chris
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: unbuiltnautilus on September 28, 2023, 12:35:35 am
yes sir you were right very well done it was just one which was hittin the armature in the motor would have treid your suggetion earlyer but been busy thank for your info sir as capt podge has said :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed: O0 O0 <*< >>:-( at myself lol chrisb
Glad to be of help. Over the years I have seen most things that can go wrong, go wrong! It is all about remembering how I fixed the issue these days!!
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 28, 2023, 07:45:29 am
Glad to be of help. Over the years I have seen most things that can go wrong, go wrong! It is all about remembering how I fixed the issue these days!!
HI unbuiltnautilus YES MANY THANKS for your help an the new motor turned up yesterday so today i'll be fittin it in an bein carefull of how tight i do them motor mountin bolts up as dont want this happening again an i will chuck that old bolt away an fit a new one then connect her all up an try her out at half throttle an fingers crossed but i'll keep the old motor as a spare as its goin ok now but back to this happening the force must have been massive as it not only broke the universal jiont but also broke the prop shaft mountin in the hull an that was fibreglassed in place so hopefully she should be ready for her last sail this yr on octber the 8th at Norwich pond as its a great lake with stright up concreate walls as i not to sure about usein sherigham pond as tiger is qiute big an that pond has over hanging concrete walls so if tiger sails close to the sides it may damage the fore mast so cheers all you guys for your info on this problem chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: unbuiltnautilus on September 28, 2023, 08:32:19 am
When reconnecting all your running gear, make sure you lock nut the UJ at the inner propshaft end. Your photo from quite a few posts ago clearly showed the lock nut hard against the propshaft bearing, not the coupling. If this happened while you were afloat it would seize up the shaft, then rip the coupling to bits. Makes much more sense than a seized up motor causing the failure. So, before sailing, tighten one against the other, don't leave if floating loose. Good luck with the sail.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 28, 2023, 11:13:48 am
When reconnecting all your running gear, make sure you lock nut the UJ at the inner propshaft end. Your photo from quite a few posts ago clearly showed the lock nut hard against the propshaft bearing, not the coupling. If this happened while you were afloat it would seize up the shaft, then rip the coupling to bits. Makes much more sense than a seized up motor causing the failure. So, before sailing, tighten one against the other, don't leave if floating loose. Good luck with the sail.
HI YES i will do as it may have been my fault but as id already did 3 other shafts i may have forgoten to tighten this lock nuts up but for sure it wont happen again as im goin to double check all shafts lock nuts CHEERS SIR for that reminder atb chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Geoff on September 28, 2023, 12:35:44 pm
You may need several lock nuts because:
- one to lock the coupling in place - two more to stop the prop shaft pulling out the coupling when going astern
Cheers
Geoff
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 28, 2023, 02:27:46 pm
- one to lock the coupling in place - two more to stop the prop shaft pulling out the coupling when going astern
Cheers
OK THANKS Geoff will have to go to model shop to get some more nuts chrisb
Geoff
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 28, 2023, 07:43:37 pm
HI CANT put any more lock nuts on that propshaft as there is no more thread on the shaft an short of movin the motors all back an the new motor is all fited in an ive tightened the lock nut up on prop shaft to against the U/J an running the motors at just over half throttle i found out that for some reason the brass mountin is gettin very hot an i think thats the reason the plastic U/J failed so im goin to fit a small fan near it to blow cold air onto the brass mountin to cool it an i cant understand the reason for this gettin hot as none of the other 3 do an the shaft turns easy so another prob but if the fan cools it then it should be ok OH BOY Chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: unbuiltnautilus on September 28, 2023, 08:29:49 pm
You don't need fans on your coupling, that's just crazy talk! You do say you have tightened the locknut on the propshaft, you should be tightening it on the coupling! Working back from the motor it should be as follows, motor, plain brass insert, UJ, threaded insert, lock nut tightened against threaded insert, about 1/32" free floating fore and aft, a washer, the propshaft assembly, then a washer, a lock nut tightened against your propeller and the back side of the boat. Everything should run nice and free and you should have the slightest fore and aft wiggle on the coupling assembly. Now come on, crack on chap, no excuses!
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on September 28, 2023, 09:28:12 pm
Chris,
Looking at past photos of your prop shaft install, it looks like you have Two washer between the UJ lock nut and the brass bearing mount. If I’m correct, have a look at reducing the washers to one. My reason behind this is, is the motor thrusting and coursing the washers to drag on the bearing and generating heat ? Just a thought.
Also Alan’s( unbuiltnautilus) advice is spot on.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 28, 2023, 10:47:21 pm
You don't need fans on your coupling, that's just crazy talk! You do say you have tightened the locknut on the propshaft, you should be tightening it on the coupling! Working back from the motor it should be as follows, motor, plain brass insert, UJ, threaded insert, lock nut tightened against threaded insert, about 1/32" free floating fore and aft, a washer, the propshaft assembly, then a washer, a lock nut tightened against your propeller and the back side of the boat. Everything should run nice and free and you should have the slightest fore and aft wiggle on the coupling assembly. Now come on, crack on chap, no excuses!
sorry unbuiltnautilus) i got that wrong the way i worded it i have tightened the locknut against the U/J BRASS coupling an not on the prop shaft as yes it would just lock on an yes im crackin on an no exscuses chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 28, 2023, 10:56:33 pm
Looking at past photos of your prop shaft install, it looks like you have Two washer between the UJ lock nut and the brass bearing mount. If I’m correct, have a look at reducing the washers to one. My reason behind this is, is the motor thrusting and coursing the washers to drag on the bearing and generating heat ? Just a thought.
Also Alan’s( unbuiltnautilus) advice is spot on.
OK Dave an (unbuiltnautilus) i'll take off one washer an give it about a 1mm play an just hope that stops the heat build up honest in all my 30 odd yrs of building big warships ive never had this probs an ive never done direct motor drive either but im still learning on this but cheers for your help guys chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 29, 2023, 03:59:44 pm
OK Dave an (unbuiltnautilus) i'll take off one washer an give it about a 1mm play an just hope that stops the heat build up honest in all my 30 odd yrs of building big warships ive never had this probs an ive never done direct motor drive either but im still learning on this but cheers for your help guys chrisb
HI Dave an unbuiltnautilus) WELL I REMOVED the motor an u/j AN took off the lock nut an removed one of the washer to stop heat build up an now there is a easy tuning prop shaft an abouta 1mm of play on said shaft
AN THEN put it all back togeather an tightened up the lock nut against he U/J AN RAN THE MOTORS for about 5 min an it still gets hot an the other shaft has also fitted with 3 washers so the match but the one with red U/J DONT GET HOT crazy isnt it an some linkpics https://ibb.co/C0KQRx6 AN HERE IVE REMOVED THE LOCK NUT AN ONE WASHER SO THERE IS ABOUT 1MM OF PLAY ON THE EASY TURNING SHAFT https://ibb.co/GcGtmDX AN IN THIS PIC CAN BE SEEN THE 1MM PLAY GAP https://ibb.co/jZGKV31 AN THIS SHAFT has 3 washes on but it dont get hot https://ibb.co/myb2crK so will try it out but may have to buy all metal u/j
chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on September 29, 2023, 05:08:13 pm
Hi Chris,
Just don’t under stand it. Some questions
So is it just one of the shafts that is getting hot ?
If so is it the one that broke the UJ ?
I assume it’s just the steady bearing that’s getting hot ?
Am I correct in assume that all shaft spin freely?
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on September 29, 2023, 07:07:24 pm
Seems pointless to buy metal Uk, as the problem probably will still be there. Need to find out what is causing it first in my humble opinion Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: JimG on September 29, 2023, 08:35:27 pm
Check the alignment of the motor and shaft, if it is slightly out it might put a side load on the shaft and increase friction causing it to heat up. When fitting the motor to the tug I am building I used a 3D printed tube to replace the coupling and it seemed to be well lined up. On testing the motor it was running warm off load and the shaft bearing was also heating up. After moving the motor forward and fitting a double coupling everything now runs cool. Everything felt free running with the original setup and single coupling. Jim
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 29, 2023, 08:40:02 pm
So is it just one of the shafts that is getting hot ?
If so is it the one that broke the UJ ?
I assume it’s just the steady bearing that’s getting hot ?
Am I correct in assume that all shaft spin freely? [/quote
HI DAVE YES on all 4 qeustions
AN yes you are right bob but to hell with it im just gonna sail her at half throttle an see if it happen again as i have a spare s/s prop shaft so if there is somthing up with that prop sharft then i'll knock it out an fit n the new shaft but this will be the last resort chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: minimariner on September 29, 2023, 09:04:43 pm
Hi Chris, In one of the photo`s the thread looks slightly to long, the thread needs to be no longer than the brass UJ insert, if its to long it may rub on the centre brass UJ joint part. Taking washers off would make it screw in further. Just a thought.
Bryan.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 29, 2023, 10:14:25 pm
Hi Chris, In one of the photo`s the thread looks slightly to long, the thread needs to be no longer than the brass UJ insert, if its to long it may rub on the centre brass UJ joint part. Taking washers off would make it screw in further. Just a thought.
Bryan.
HI Bryan thanks for your reply but lookin at it close up the prop shaft is not touchin the center brass in the U/J where the heat is is in the brass couplin that connects to the prop shaft as ive just been able to hold it when stopped an takin that washer off would only make it 1mm longer so i should not think this is the problem CHEERS Bryan chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 30, 2023, 05:32:31 am
HI Bryan thanks for your reply but lookin at it close up the prop shaft is not touchin the center brass in the U/J where the heat is is in the brass couplin that connects to the prop shaft as ive just been able to hold it when stopped an takin that washer off would only make it 1mm longer so i should not think this is the problem CHEERS Bryan chrisb
i think the prob may be the prop shaft perhaps the bearin have broken or it grease inside as dreid up so im takin the prop shaft right out an rescirtin new grease into the tube then refittin the shaft an try that cheers guys chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on September 30, 2023, 08:33:37 am
Morning Chris,
Can the steady bearing be removed, so you can check it for wear, any damage and alignment check.
ATB to you and Jen :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on September 30, 2023, 09:07:43 am
Can the steady bearing be removed, so you can check it for wear, any damage and alignment check.
ATB to you and Jen :-))
i dont know yet Dave as im goin to have a look at it today as the bad shaft is on the far side on the hull an due to the size of the hull i cant see it but when running the motors yesterday i found that shaft was vibratein so today im goin to have to angle the hull on the table so i can see that prop shaft better an withdraw that shaft an have a gander an if it looks ok then i'll refill it with new grease an if that dont cure the prob then i'll have to try an take out the shaft an fit a new one ATB Dave chrisb :embarrassed: >>:-( <:( <*<
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on September 30, 2023, 11:29:49 am
Good luck hope it goes well. :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 01, 2023, 01:33:27 pm
Check the alignment of the motor and shaft, if it is slightly out it might put a side load on the shaft and increase friction causing it to heat up. When fitting the motor to the tug I am building I used a 3D printed tube to replace the coupling and it seemed to be well lined up. On testing the motor it was running warm off load and the shaft bearing was also heating up. After moving the motor forward and fitting a double coupling everything now runs cool. Everything felt free running with the original setup and single coupling. Jim
HI Jim alinement of motor looks ok an cant move the motor as no room but thanks for your info on the subject chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 01, 2023, 01:34:19 pm
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 01, 2023, 08:35:12 pm
HI GUYS well today ive tried to cure this U/J HEATING UP by removein the 16" long prop shaft an regreasein the shaft an the refitted it in an ran the motor an shaft for 5 mins at half throttle an it dint get warm so fingercrossed ive made it better but will only know for sure when she sails again on sunday october the 8th[/size]cheers all chrisb :-)) [/color]
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: ballastanksian on October 09, 2023, 05:01:08 pm
I hope you had a successful sail?
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 09, 2023, 09:21:05 pm
[quote author=ballastanksin I hope you had a successful sail?
HI GUYSwell yesterday took Tiger up for her forth sail an it was a beautifull day nice an warm but not as hot as last time an the modifications i have made to Tiger seemed to have worked very well as she was sailin just great an did not blow them 40 amp fuses so great i thought she's a success but then something strange happend i noticed that when sailing ahead the outer props went into full astern while the rear props kept goin ahead an i was practically pullin my hair out now whats wrong i thought an all i can think of is one of them ESC is playin up as i first thought it might be the R/X given the ESC false signals so i fitted a new spare R/XAN then treid her again an yes she's goin great really good propwash very powerfull an she surgerd ahead an was sailing great an i gave her some full head flank speed an she sailed again i was very pleased but then to my amazement it did the props ahead an outer props in astern AGAIN SO right today im goin to remove that ESC that works the outer motors an have all 4 motors goin through just ONE ESC an it should be able to take the power current load as its rated at 320 AMPS an also i think i need to fit in a bigger one qauter scale heavy duty big servo to work the rudder an stablilizers as she dint answer the helm properly when under ahead forword so more cost buyin one of them but i think im gettin her right its just the gremlins to get rid of as i was very pleased at how she sailed when sailin ahead so im gettin there slowy an not givin up its just a matter of getting it all right OH DEAR an i'll fit some pics of the day tomorrow as gettin late now :-) :-)) so i think i will need a bigger qauter size servo on the rudder anyone know what the number is for one ?chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: ballastanksian on October 09, 2023, 10:39:49 pm
That is progress Chris! No more searching for issues and having to rebuild gubbins, just (all being well) a modification to control, and she's off to the races!
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Capt Podge on October 09, 2023, 11:13:35 pm
Well Chris, I'm glad you were able to give her another set of trials, but oh, I wish I had remembered you were sailing on the 8th - I've just been in East Dereham since Thursday night and just got back home at 1600 today!... and home is all the way up in Northumberland! What a crazy journey that was... Anyway, I just hope you get them electrical problems sorted and maybe I can get back down that way sometime so I can see Tiger up close.
Cheers, Ray.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on October 10, 2023, 05:21:21 am
Hi Chris
Both pleased and sorry for you that Tiger sailed well, but with ESC issues, so >>:-( >>:-( Howels Models do this servo, bit pricey at £38.99
The HS-805 uses a heavy duty nylon gear train and a heavy duty 10mm 15 tooth output shaft. The HS-805BB develops enough torque to move just about anything, be it a big plane, boat, or Car.
I found this on eBay. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/324017324641?var=0&mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=710-53481-19255-0&campid=5338749368&toolid=20006&customid=GB_220_324017324641.140118387062~1871005637659-g_EAIaIQobChMIz7Lv9c_qgQMVg7jtCh0DrgWREAQYBiABEgImPfD_BwE (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/324017324641?var=0&mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=710-53481-19255-0&campid=5338749368&toolid=20006&customid=GB_220_324017324641.140118387062~1871005637659-g_EAIaIQobChMIz7Lv9c_qgQMVg7jtCh0DrgWREAQYBiABEgImPfD_BwE)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 10, 2023, 07:49:30 am
That is progress Chris! No more searching for issues and having to rebuild gubbins, just (all being well) a modification to control, and she's off to the races!
HI well there was a few isuses regardin hanger bay door not working an a couple of small things im not happy with %) O0 [size=78%] so im goin to sort these out over the comin week but overall yes she could be ready for another sortie thanks for your reply [/size] chrisb :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 10, 2023, 07:56:20 am
Well Chris, I'm glad you were able to give her another set of trials, but oh, I wish I had remembered you were sailing on the 8th - I've just been in East Dereham since Thursday night and just got back home at 1600 today!... and home is all the way up in Northumberland! What a crazy journey that was... Anyway, I just hope you get them electrical problems sorted and maybe I can get back down that way sometime so I can see Tiger up close.
Cheers, Ray.
AN HI Ray yes thats a pity as you was fairly close an youre welcome to come an see Tiger as she an my hms norfolk will be in a 2 day show at lowestoft on 28th an 29th of this month will put on a poster soon for the show ATB chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 10, 2023, 08:01:06 am
Both pleased and sorry for you that Tiger sailed well, but with ESC issues, so >>:-( >>:-( Howels Models do this servo, bit pricey at £38.99
The HS-805 uses a heavy duty nylon gear train and a heavy duty 10mm 15 tooth output shaft. The HS-805BB develops enough torque to move just about anything, be it a big plane, boat, or Car.
I found this on eBay. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/324017324641?var=0&mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=710-53481-19255-0&campid=5338749368&toolid=20006&customid=GB_220_324017324641.140118387062~1871005637659-g_EAIaIQobChMIz7Lv9c_qgQMVg7jtCh0DrgWREAQYBiABEgImPfD_BwE (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/324017324641?var=0&mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=710-53481-19255-0&campid=5338749368&toolid=20006&customid=GB_220_324017324641.140118387062~1871005637659-g_EAIaIQobChMIz7Lv9c_qgQMVg7jtCh0DrgWREAQYBiABEgImPfD_BwE)
AN Many thanks dave for info on that servo as i feel fairly sure that the normal servo is not up to the job as when turning she dint turn well cheers chrisb
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Post by: frogman3 on October 10, 2023, 08:28:52 am
AN now for some linkpics of the day an jen an i arrived early at 8-30 am an it was nice wheather no wind an warm sun an several boatys turned up as you can see by the cars there https://ibb.co/23WQXzX an here just unloaded her from the car an put her alltogeather on her table https://ibb.co/27bpKWH AN on the table i had the lowestoft model show poster out an several people were usein phones to photo it so hope they will attend the show https://ibb.co/XXfRm6C an now here she has just been lifted in the water for tests https://ibb.co/9Ytmdk8 an some other boats with her https://ibb.co/Qv7qV1z
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Post by: frogman3 on October 10, 2023, 08:32:21 am
AN While i was doin the testing of functions my m8 paul took some close up pics of her https://ibb.co/hYqTbBm https://ibb.co/hdc02sb (https://ibb.co/hdc02sb) https://ibb.co/2jBpjm9 (https://ibb.co/2jBpjm9)
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Post by: T888 on October 10, 2023, 08:35:00 am
She does look nice :-)) :-))
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Post by: frogman3 on October 10, 2023, 08:38:43 am
AN now testin completed she is now gettin underway as can be seen by the propwash an this was at half throttle O0 https://ibb.co/FYqGc2H (https://ibb.co/FYqGc2H) an then i just stopped her as some people wanted to take photos https://ibb.co/LCkFHqd (https://ibb.co/LCkFHqd) https://ibb.co/L6Jstbk (https://ibb.co/L6Jstbk) https://ibb.co/0Xy5KsR (https://ibb.co/0Xy5KsR) AN SORRY pic a bit blurred as i had just switched on the smoke unit :embarrassed: O0 {:-{
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Post by: frogman3 on October 10, 2023, 08:39:49 am
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Post by: frogman3 on October 10, 2023, 08:45:15 am
an a nice steamy tug standing by lol :} https://ibb.co/8XLJb62 an sorry again here she is sailin ok but jen took the pics but she dont know about zoomin in on the pic so TIGER is fairly small but she is a fair way away https://ibb.co/y88bBt7 an headin back again https://ibb.co/QKDTwzy
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Post by: frogman3 on October 10, 2023, 08:54:55 am
an some closer pics thank goodness an her bowwave is lookin nice like her propwash was an for once i was happy with the model https://ibb.co/k24n7zn an this was about about half throttle https://ibb.co/9pHVvmK https://ibb.co/9pHVvmK an last pic as this was when she started to play up when i openened up the throttle so i then took her off the pond an just put her on display for the public an there was quite a bit of intrest in the ship an phone photos galore an some chap sorry dint hear his name said he was videoin her to put on Norwich model boat club site an i havnt looked yet https://ibb.co/gFpnrGb hope all you guys enjoy the linkpics chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: littoralcombat on October 10, 2023, 12:27:26 pm
She looks very realistic underway Chris. Just those last little tweaks to fix the things you're not 100% happy with and you'll be home and dry. Well done Sir. Nige
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 10, 2023, 01:52:04 pm
Both pleased and sorry for you that Tiger sailed well, but with ESC issues, so >>:-( >>:-( Howels Models do this servo, bit pricey at £38.99
HI Dave well I popped to my local model shop an bought a heavy duty servo that will push up to 15 k/g for £15 .99 an its got all metal gears an water proff so i will try that an see when i can ATB SIR CHRISB :-))
The HS-805 uses a heavy duty nylon gear train and a heavy duty 10mm 15 tooth output shaft. The HS-805BB develops enough torque to move just about anything, be it a big plane, boat, or Car.
I found this on eBay. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/324017324641?var=0&mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=710-53481-19255-0&campid=5338749368&toolid=20006&customid=GB_220_324017324641.140118387062~1871005637659-g_EAIaIQobChMIz7Lv9c_qgQMVg7jtCh0DrgWREAQYBiABEgImPfD_BwE (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/324017324641?var=0&mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=710-53481-19255-0&campid=5338749368&toolid=20006&customid=GB_220_324017324641.140118387062~1871005637659-g_EAIaIQobChMIz7Lv9c_qgQMVg7jtCh0DrgWREAQYBiABEgImPfD_BwE)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 10, 2023, 01:55:35 pm
She looks very realistic underway Chris. Just those last little tweaks to fix the things you're not 100% happy with and you'll be home and dry. Well done Sir. Nige
an cheers Nige im glad you like her as yes im pleased at how she turned out an she had plenty of people around her up the pond as i was amused as they all kept callin her a battleship O0 %) [size=78%] an i said no she's a light helicopter crusier lol[/size] cheers for your reply sir :-))
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Post by: ballastanksian on October 10, 2023, 04:33:35 pm
Very very sleek and busy looking! Worth the hundreds of hours you have put into her Chris.
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Post by: frogman3 on October 10, 2023, 07:05:58 pm
Very very sleek and busy looking! Worth the hundreds of hours you have put into her Chris.
HI [size=78%]ballastanksian THANK YOU VERY MUCH SIR yes there is hundreds of hrs but they were very enjoyable hrs but still got to sort out some isuses on her but will do that after a 2 day model show at the end of the month then i will set about her an show her who is boss lol[/size] [size=78%]chrisb [/size] :-))
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Post by: Akira on October 11, 2023, 02:01:13 pm
Wonderful Chris. She looks beautiful, as does your "test tank" So glad that your propulsion plant issues appear to be sorted out.
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Post by: frogman3 on October 11, 2023, 02:34:45 pm
Wonderful Chris. She looks beautiful, as does your "test tank" So glad that your propulsion plant issues appear to be sorted out.
HI AKira thanks for the kind words Sir an yes she sailed ok but the propulsion plant went ok for a while then went very strange an the rear props kept givin ahead but the outer props went into astern when i had the throttle set for goin ahead so ive got to sort out why it did that maybe the ESC is givin trouble or faulty will see on that soon when i can get the time CHEERS for your reply sir :-)) chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on October 11, 2023, 05:12:01 pm
Chris recently had same thing on Phoebe, nothing to do with esc in my case down to signal, affecting rx, usually when the passenger boats come in their radios walk all over out 2.4 signal, I know you are in a paddling pool type water so could be anything, just so you know its not just you {-)
Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 11, 2023, 06:18:49 pm
Chris recently had same thing on Phoebe, nothing to do with esc in my case down to signal, affecting rx, usually when the passenger boats come in their radios walk all over out 2.4 signal, I know you are in a paddling pool type water so could be anything, just so you know its not just you {-)
Bob
HI Bob well im goin to experiment by removein that ESC that was workin the outer props in astern an have all 4 motors goin through one ESC as it should take the power as its rated at 320 amps so will try that as that way all motors will have to go the same way an how are you keepin sir ? as i have been lookin at your phoebe an not seen much on your progress atb sir chrisb
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Post by: Rob47 on October 11, 2023, 06:30:21 pm
Keeping well Chris, loads of progress on Phobe and Victorious
Bob
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Post by: frogman3 on October 11, 2023, 09:31:36 pm
Keeping well Chris, loads of progress on Phobe and Victorious
Bob
OK Bob any chance seein some pics sir ? chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Shipmate60 on October 12, 2023, 09:12:26 pm
Is the ESC a chinese one rated at 320 amps?
Bob
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Post by: Capt Podge on October 12, 2023, 09:25:25 pm
I can't make it to the Lowestoft show this time around Chris which is a shame really but it's too close to family things. I'll keep my eyes peeled for other shows though. :-))
Cheers, Ray.
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Post by: frogman3 on October 12, 2023, 09:33:11 pm
I can't make it to the Lowestoft show this time around Chris which is a shame really but it's too close to family things. I'll keep my eyes peeled for other shows though. :-))
Cheers, Ray.
NEVER MIND RAY atb chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 13, 2023, 11:34:26 am
HI GUYS well ive still got eletric probs regards them ESC NOW IM JUST askin your advise guys now ive found with them big motors in that they dont like to power two motors from one 320 amp esc so im now goin to try one esc per motor so all in it will be 4 esc one each to power one motor so on the r/c wire where i take out a red wire with 2 esc but now im hopein to have 4 esc in do i remove 3 red wires an leave just one in ? i hope this is understandable ? :(( chrisb O0
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Akira on October 13, 2023, 01:44:10 pm
Chris, You have said that your rear prop would being going ahead, but your outer props would go astern?( something like that) It sounds like you have your two inboard motors wired to one ESC and your two outboard motors wired to the second ESC, is that correct? If so, I have had a similar situation. I am using a FrSky with Open TX. I found that is my servo output is at maximum, the control signal from the receiver is too much for the ESC and the ESC, upon reaching full throttle, goes into reverse. I solved this by reducing the servo output range in the transmitter.I would be very surprised if two of your motors maxed out a 320 amp ESC, but then again, Chinese rating are no what they seem.Good luck.Jonathan
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 13, 2023, 06:58:16 pm
Chris, You have said that your rear prop would being going ahead, but your outer props would go astern?( something like that) It sounds like you have your two inboard motors wired to one ESC and your two outboard motors wired to the second ESC, is that correct? If so, I have had a similar situation. I am using a FrSky with Open TX. I found that is my servo output is at maximum, the control signal from the receiver is too much for the ESC and the ESC, upon reaching full throttle, goes into reverse. I solved this by reducing the servo output range in the transmitter.I would be very surprised if two of your motors maxed out a 320 amp ESC, but then again, Chinese rating are no what they seem.Good luck.Jonathan
HI Akria yes the first bit is right an that happened which it should not an how i have the motors wired up now the back two nearest the rudder are wired through the rear ESC an the last two motors are wired THROUGH the the futherst to the front ESC OK AN yes my T/X is at full servo rateting but i can reduce it to say about 80% by setting the dual rates in the T/X so thats what im goin to do as it seems to much power is goin through an im goin to fit 35 amp fuses an not 40amp an then try it when the new ESC 's come but i have taken the old ESC an repaired them by fittin in them new wirein that goes to the R/X but im just keepin them as spares so if i use 4 X esc one to power each motor do i take out 3 red wires an leave one in to power the R/X ? CHRISB
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Akira on October 13, 2023, 11:11:09 pm
Chris,Whenever you use multiple ESC's and one of them supplying power to the receiver, as a BEC, then the power leads to all the other ESC's need to be removed(taped off) so that they do not connect to your receiver. It does not matter how many ESC's are involved, as long as we are talking about more than one. Jonathan
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 14, 2023, 09:49:13 am
Chris,Whenever you use multiple ESC's and one of them supplying power to the receiver, as a BEC, then the power leads to all the other ESC's need to be removed(taped off) so that they do not connect to your receiver. It does not matter how many ESC's are involved, as long as we are talking about more than one. Jonathan
HI Jonathan AH thats the answer i been hopein for many thanks Sir as i cant understand why this problem has happened as them R,X WIRES are not supposed to carry more than 6v to the R/X all i can think of is a faulty ESC as they do come from china so maybe thats where im goin wrong as this is the first time i have used this BECC system an i must say im not impressed at all as on all my other ship ive used ELETRONISE ESC an they have been no problems but now the gent has closed down the company its sad as all that knowlege an exspertise has been lost forever what a shame pity he dint sell it SO SIR MANY THANKS FOR YOUR REPLY an thats what i will do when the new ESC's arrive cheers ATB TO YOU SIR an you have made me very happy as i must admit i felt like jumpin on tiger lol but i know my work on building tiger is sound its just this eletronics thats lettin me down Aaaarrcchhh chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 14, 2023, 10:03:21 am
Chris, You have said that your rear prop would being going ahead, but your outer props would go astern?( something like that) It sounds like you have your two inboard motors wired to one ESC and your two outboard motors wired to the second ESC, is that correct? If so, I have had a similar situation. I am using a FrSky with Open TX. I found that is my servo output is at maximum, the control signal from the receiver is too much for the ESC and the ESC, upon reaching full throttle, goes into reverse. I solved this by reducing the servo output range in the transmitter.I would be very surprised if two of your motors maxed out a 320 amp ESC, but then again, Chinese rating are no what they seem.Good luck.Jonathan
HI again Jonathan yes when i get them new ESC 's fitted im goin to try an cut the power of the servo throw on the throttle by usein them daul rates down to about 80% as its in my instoction booklet so will try that thank you sir chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Shipmate60 on October 14, 2023, 10:43:34 am
Sorry to take so long to answer but those Chinese ESC wont handle anywhere near 320 amps, just chech the wiring on them. WE have been using them for years and have become wary of rge voltage and tend to use them as fairly dispposable unless on 6 volts and fairly low current cunsumption motors.
Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 14, 2023, 11:24:51 am
Sorry to take so long to answer but those Chinese ESC wont handle anywhere near 320 amps, just chech the wiring on them. WE have been using them for years and have become wary of rge voltage and tend to use them as fairly dispposable unless on 6 volts and fairly low current cunsumption motors.
Bob
HI Bob ok thanks i'll bear that in mind as that may be my trouble but pity you dint tell me sooner as ive sent for some more but at higher ratein but not your fault sir but thanks for tellin me trouble is near everything is now made in china isnt it ? chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on October 14, 2023, 04:49:59 pm
Hi Chris. Have never knowingly used Chinese Esc. Mtroniks for me. Elektonise we’re ok but the size of the things Solve the problem of Phoebe props doing similar to yours, down to duff battery. New battery fitted and the 2 Esc do all they are meant to Did not want hassle as getting ready for Hereford engineering Halloween show end of month Keep at it Chris you will sort it Bib
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 14, 2023, 05:31:28 pm
[quote author=Rob47 link=topic msg Hi Chris. Have never knowingly used Chinese Esc. Mtroniks for me. Elektonise we’re ok but the size of the things Solve the problem of Phoebe props doing similar to yours, down to duff battery. New battery fitted and the 2 Esc do all they are meant to Did not want hassle as getting ready for Hereford engineering Halloween show end of month Keep at it Chris you will sort it Bib
HI Bob Mtroniks well i bought 2 of them 40 amp ones cost over a 100 quid from hobbies an fitted them in a they would only work for a few minutes an then the red an green lights kept fickin on an off an the esc kept cuttin out so i have just packed them away as they run one 540 motor ok but not these big motors so that why i have bought these chink ones but why them wires all melted i dont know seems to me to much power goin through them so they got hot an melted but i thought they should only have 6v reunning through them so goin to try some more new ones as i took the big esc to bits an repaired both of them an now they run a motor fine crazy anit %) O0 chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Akira on October 14, 2023, 10:38:31 pm
Hi Chris,I have been using these controls now for about 6 years.https://www.modellbau-regler.de/shop/index.php?cPath=1 I just received my latest batch of six of them. My fingers are crossed and I am knocking on wood as I type this, I have never had an issue with any of them. I use the 40 amp controls for my motors, which have been Johnson 970 12V 3300 rpm and Component Shop 800 5000 rpm motors. these are more expensive controllers, I feel that I am getting what I paid for. If Electrolize were still in business I would be going them, but these have served me well.I hope you get sorted.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on October 15, 2023, 09:38:49 am
Chris strange that about Mtroniks. When you say large motors could you give me the dims for them please Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 15, 2023, 10:06:29 am
Hi Chris,I have been using these controls now for about 6 years.https://www.modellbau-regler.de/shop/index.php?cPath=1 (https://www.modellbau-regler.de/shop/index.php?cPath=1) I just received my latest batch of six of them. My fingers are crossed and I am knocking on wood as I type this, I have never had an issue with any of them. I use the 40 amp controls for my motors, which have been Johnson 970 12V 3300 rpm and Component Shop 800 5000 rpm motors. these are more expensive controllers, I feel that I am getting what I paid for. If Electrolize were still in business I would be going them, but these have served me well.I hope you get sorted.
HI Jonathan now which ESC have you used sir as there are seveal on that page from what i understand of the page ? an what size ship have you got 1/96 or like me 1/72 ? as remember my tiger is quite big an very heavy 88lbs an she is a dead wheight in the water an to get her goin i need them big motors that i have fitted an they do the job great but is my problem them chink ESC bein cheap is this where im goin wrong as ive ordered another batch of chink ESC 2 X 480 AMP but if you sir can recommend a good powerful esc even if a tad more exspensive then i'll buy them an you say these controllers do you mean they are esc 's ? an i have used the johnsons motors an not very POWERFULL for tiger as she struggled to move on the pond so anyway ive ordered them chink esc so i'll see how they go but i cant understand why them R/X WIRES melted ON BOTH ESC 's as they are only suppossed to have 6v goin through them arent they ? as ive never used this BECC system before as always had them eletronise esc in so hope you can help me sir Chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 15, 2023, 10:37:53 am
Chris strange that about Mtroniks. When you say large motors could you give me the dims for them please Bob
HI Bob these are the motors recommened to me by Martin an they seem to be nice an powerfull an move tiger great so i think these are the motors for tiger an they are 775 MOTORS PIC BELOW https://ibb.co/ZKB9JNq (https://ibb.co/ZKB9JNq) Chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Akira on October 15, 2023, 02:17:52 pm
Hi Chris, First, I build in 1/48 scale and my last two builds were destroyers, at 7+ feet. My current is a light cruiser at 11'3". I have been using the As12/40RW versions. They use to have an Easy version, but have now gone with the full Lipo version. The difference protects Lipos if you are running them for power. it makes no difference if you are running gel-cell or car batteries as a power supply. These units have their own temperature protection so if the ESC finds too much current going thru it, it shuts down to 25% power. these also allow you to limit reverse power to 50%, ut now that we can do that with our transmitters, it is redundant.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 15, 2023, 03:12:22 pm
Hi Chris, First, I build in 1/48 scale and my last two builds were destroyers, at 7+ feet. My current is a light cruiser at 11'3". I have been using the As12/40RW versions. They use to have an Easy version, but have now gone with the full Lipo version. The difference protects Lipos if you are running them for power. it makes no difference if you are running gel-cell or car batteries as a power supply. These units have their own temperature protection so if the ESC finds too much current going thru it, it shuts down to 25% power. these also allow you to limit reverse power to 50%, ut now that we can do that with our transmitters, it is redundant.
HI Jonathan well i have looked at them esc what you say you are useing an at nr 54 euros each i cant affort them for time X 4 of them as be nr 200 pounds so i'll just try an turn my dual rates down to 80% on my T/X an hope these new ESC will do the job an still gives me enough power but have you any idea why my R.X wires burned out on both ESC THOUGH as there should be only 6 volts only goin through them ? chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: HMS Invisible on October 15, 2023, 03:43:22 pm
...i cant understand why them R/X WIRES melted ON BOTH ESC 's as they are only suppossed to have 6v goin through them arent they ? as ive never used this BECC system before as always had them eletronise esc in so hope you can help me sir Chrisb
There is only one way this happened. If asked, I can show why it is the only way to counter any alternative suggestions that you may be given. It applies to any brand of speed controller where the two black wires are connected internally. You stated a liking for Electronize speed controllers in the past. I'll repost their instruction leaflet warning and follow with my very old explanatory diagram. It shows the arrowed path of the current that causes the mentioned "motor noise" and puts a rough 5% percentage figure so that you can quickly see if you are in the danger zone from excessive current in black (or brown) R/X WIRE. (https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=67206.0;attach=214770) (https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=67206.0;attach=214765) The 5% comes from each cable's resistance based upon typical lengths of 22 awg, pvc insulated "R/X WIRE" and 16 awg for the main wiring.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 15, 2023, 04:54:02 pm
There is only one way this happened. If asked, I can show why it is the only way to counter any alternative suggestions that you may be given. It applies to any brand of speed controller where the two black wires are connected internally. You stated a liking for Electronize speed controllers in the past. I'll repost their instruction leaflet warning and follow with my very old explanatory diagram. It shows the arrowed path of the current that causes the mentioned "motor noise" and puts a rough 5% percentage figure so that you can quickly see if you are in the danger zone from excessive current in black (or brown) R/X WIRE. (https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=67206.0;attach=214770) (https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=67206.0;attach=214765) The 5% comes from each cable's resistance based upon typical lengths of 22 awg, pvc insulated "R/X WIRE" and 16 awg for the main wiring.
HI Sir could you make the diagam smaller so i ca read it all at once as by the time ive gone down to the slide bar ive forgotten what ive read an TBH i dont understand what you have put sorry sir an wil this happen again ? chrisb chris
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: HMS Invisible on October 15, 2023, 06:26:38 pm
This is what is written in the leaflet that came with your electronize controllers. I've reduced the width to 640 pixel.
Their point is the thick and the thin black wires of the controller are connected internally. If you wire another controller to the same propulsion battery you make a double connection between the propulsion battery's negative terminal and the negative connection on any servo plugs connected to the receiver.
Current doesn't take the least path of resistance but takes any path it can. It splits in inverse proportion to the resistance of each available path. 22 gauge servo wire is 0.053 ohms/metre resistance and heavier 16 awg wire is 0.013 ohm/metre which makes a backdoor resistive route that conducts 5% of the motor current that has already passed through the thick red, yellow and blue wire. You should notice the insulation of the black R/X WIRE has melted first.
Four preventative measures I can think of: *Separate propulsion batteries. *Keep -ve propulsion battery wires as short as possible before joining together. *Opto isolator on 2nd controller. (Please don't ask me to explain) *Buy a £10 laser tacho & four 555 motors at 18v to 24v and use the smaller props if it suits.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on October 15, 2023, 09:19:18 pm
This is what is written in the leaflet that came with your electronize controllers. I've reduced the width to 640 pixel.
Their point is the thick and the thin black wires of the controller are connected internally. If you wire another controller to the same propulsion battery you make a double connection between the propulsion battery's negative terminal and the negative connection on any servo plugs connected to the receiver.
Current doesn't take the least path of resistance but takes any path it can. It splits in inverse proportion to the resistance of each available path. 22 gauge servo wire is 0.053 ohms/metre resistance and heavier 16 awg wire is 0.013 ohm/metre which makes a backdoor resistive route that conducts 5% of the motor current that has already passed through the thick red, yellow and blue wire. You should notice the insulation of the black R/X WIRE has melted first.
Four preventative measures I can think of: *Separate propulsion batteries. *Keep -ve propulsion battery wires as short as possible before joining together. *Opto isolator on 2nd controller. (Please don't ask me to explain) *Buy a £10 laser tacho & four 555 motors at 18v to 24v and use the smaller props if it suits.
OK SIR many thanks for that info an i'll see how things go cheer Chrisb
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Post by: Rob47 on October 16, 2023, 03:52:15 pm
HI Bob these are the motors recommened to me by Martin an they seem to be nice an powerfull an move tiger great so i think these are the motors for tiger an they are 775 MOTORS PIC BELOW https://ibb.co/ZKB9JNq (https://ibb.co/ZKB9JNq) Chrisb
Hi Chris Thanks for the motor info, wow they are quite small aren't they, was expecting something like the old MFA car heater style. They are looking smaller than the ones in Phoebe, I don't use rates as I feel it is cutting your 100% power when you need it in an emergency, to many fast boat drivers seem to forget other craft are on the water. To sail at scale speed, all I do is jut nudge the sticks in appropriate direction and off we go. Works for me and I feel able to escape most emergencies. Still each to their own. Hope you resolve all these issue you are getting.
Bob
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Post by: frogman3 on October 16, 2023, 05:50:07 pm
Hi Chris Thanks for the motor info, wow they are quite small aren't they, was expecting something like the old MFA car heater style. They are looking smaller than the ones in Phoebe, I don't use rates as I feel it is cutting your 100% power when you need it in an emergency, to many fast boat drivers seem to forget other craft are on the water. To sail at scale speed, all I do is jut nudge the sticks in appropriate direction and off we go. Works for me and I feel able to escape most emergencies. Still each to their own. Hope you resolve all these issue you are getting.
Bob
HI Bob well there would not be room for big car heater motors in the hull an these motor are in my opinion quite big compared to the johnsons or the 540 motors an they seem to power tiger just great so motors im happy with an yes i do see what you mean about them dual rates turning them down so will see how she goes when i get the new esc an im thinkin of puttin in 4 ESC IN HER an havin one on each motor so not a great power build up an see how that goes as with the becc ive never had this before an im not really impressed with it an cheers Bob chrisb
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Post by: Geoff on October 17, 2023, 10:58:47 am
My personal opinion is the BEC's can often be more trouble than they are worth so I always use a separate receiver battery pack and never suffer from the problems that a lot of people do when using BEC.
As you are using 12 volts its not an issue that will effect you but typically there needs to be a 1.5 volt differential as a minimum for for a BEC to work properly. Typically receivers work on 4.5 volts (they can take 6.5 volts but not more). So if you are using a 6volt battery the BEC will work for a while but as the battery is used the voltage can drop below 6 volts and the BEC will shut off immobilising the model. After a few mins drifting the model may come alive again for a few seconds because the battery has recovered and the voltage has climbed back to 6v but as soon as you use it, it will drop and be immobilised.
A freshly charged 6v battery will probably read 6.5 volts anyway. A lot depends on the current consumption as how how much the battery voltage will drop so some people get away with it but others don't, its a little variable.
So for the weight of a small 6v battery pack in a large model which will have a negligible effect on trim it removes a lot of issues.
Cheers
Geoff
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Post by: frogman3 on October 17, 2023, 03:31:25 pm
My personal opinion is the BEC's can often be more trouble than they are worth so I always use a separate receiver battery pack and never suffer from the problems that a lot of people do when using BEC.
As you are using 12 volts its not an issue that will effect you but typically there needs to be a 1.5 volt differential as a minimum for for a BEC to work properly. Typically receivers work on 4.5 volts (they can take 6.5 volts but not more). So if you are using a 6volt battery the BEC will work for a while but as the battery is used the voltage can drop below 6 volts and the BEC will shut off immobilising the model. After a few mins drifting the model may come alive again for a few seconds because the battery has recovered and the voltage has climbed back to 6v but as soon as you use it, it will drop and be immobilised.
A freshly charged 6v battery will probably read 6.5 volts anyway. A lot depends on the current consumption as how how much the battery voltage will drop so some people get away with it but others don't, its a little variable.
So for the weight of a small 6v battery pack in a large model which will have a negligible effect on trim it removes a lot of issues.
Cheers
Geoff
HI Geoff yes as im finding out this bloomin ole BECC is a PITA as this is the first time ive used it an had more trouble than all my other big models put togeather as i used ELETRONISE ESC's IN THEM an NO PROBS but no need for me to use a small batt pack as i use a small eletric voltage reducer unit to cut down the power from 12v to 6v for the R/X an this way i dont have to worry about them batts goin down as ive always used these units they are very good an the power all comes from just one battery but thank you for the info an im goin to try out 4 ESC 's so each one will power a motor an hope not to much power build up in the R/X wires just got to wait till they all come cheers Geoff for your reply :-)) chrisb
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Post by: Rob47 on October 17, 2023, 04:38:06 pm
Chris If I have read it right you have a reducer feeding power to the rx as well as the esc providing power, so would you not be putting more power into it than should be? Frustrating you having there issues as not having a sperate battery pack is such a relief, one less thing to worry about, How we managed in the days when everything was brick sized {-) {-)
Looking at earlier pics of the motor location I reckon there is bags of rom for these Still that's not what we are trying to solve MFA heater motors, they might sound big but they are compact.
Still that's beside the point, are you running port and starboard esc or forward set and rear set, out of curiosity.
Frustrating not being able to get hands on as this modern stuff in my opinion is so easy almost plug and play, there cant be many suggestions left on what to do, sure you will get there right in the middle of the "its to bloody cold to go sailing" {-) period
Bob
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Post by: frogman3 on October 17, 2023, 06:54:14 pm
Chris If I have read it right you have a reducer feeding power to the rx as well as the esc providing power, so would you not be putting more power into it than should be? Frustrating you having there issues as not having a sperate battery pack is such a relief, one less thing to worry about, How we managed in the days when everything was brick sized {-) {-)
Looking at earlier pics of the motor location I reckon there is bags of rom for these Still that's not what we are trying to solve MFA heater motors, they might sound big but they are compact.
Still that's beside the point, are you running port and starboard esc or forward set and rear set, out of curiosity.
Frustrating not being able to get hands on as this modern stuff in my opinion is so easy almost plug and play, there cant be many suggestions left on what to do, sure you will get there right in the middle of the "its to bloody cold to go sailing" {-) period
Bob
HI Bob my freind yes i have a small 12v to 6v voltage reducer to power the R/X an i should as havnt treid it yet but accordin to my T/X INSTRUCTIONS turn down the power to the ESC'S by the dual rates to about 80% but i dont really want to but in case i have to as when i get all them ESC 's fitted in as again wont know till i get water load on them props an ive gone over this in my head no end of times till its nr sending me round the bend lol but its just try it an see CHEERS for your reply my freind Chrisb ps yes i wont be sailin anymore till next yr so ive a long time to wait to see how thing work out as everything works great when ship on table its when she in water my trouble start as water load on props AN Bob why cant you get your hands on this modern stuff then ?
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Post by: Rob47 on October 18, 2023, 09:50:37 am
Ah Chris grammar error should have been a comma after hands on %% no problem getting the modern stuff When you say works perfect on the bench then when in the water, isn’t that the most frustrating thing ? One more big sail this year at Hereford engineering society for their Halloween bash. Bob
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Post by: frogman3 on October 18, 2023, 02:20:34 pm
Ah Chris grammar error should have been a comma after hands on %% no problem getting the modern stuff When you say works perfect on the bench then when in the water, isn’t that the most frustrating thing ? One more big sail this year at Hereford engineering society for their Halloween bash. Bob
HI Bob yes it is frustrating when things all work fine on bench then when on water probs start its near sending me mad lol but at least i can say i treid with tiger an so far i havnt given up an yes there isnt many more ways to do this as im running out of options but all 4 of my ESC's have come this morn so tomorrow i will wire them all in so each motor gets its own ESC an power down to about 80 % an see how that goes but firstly i will have to make another differnent heavy duty wirein harness so that will keep me busy for a few days an so far now ive got 6 ESC 's 4 to fit in an 2 spare double ESC 's in case it does it again an yes its soupin up the dosh but im desperate to get this ship to sail an work ok an i wont sail anymore this yr but i an my m8 paul are puttin both my norfolk an tiger in lowerestoft lowmex model show at end of this month so thats something to look forward too an i hope you sir have a good last sail for the yr yes Bob halloween is my jens birthday but cant say her age as you know women get finiky when they get asked that lol ATB Bob chrisb
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Post by: frogman3 on October 20, 2023, 12:37:14 pm
HI ALL NOW can anyone recommend a good english ESC as i think this is my trouble buyin ole cheap chinesnes ESC's an they keep clappin out as they cant handle the power goin through the circut please chrisb
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Post by: frogman3 on October 22, 2023, 10:16:14 am
HI GUYS well ive managed to wire up all 4 ESC's an removein 3 red power wires one just one feeds the R/X an then wired them all togeather an to 4 motors on a bread board arrangement an then swichted on an opened the throttle on my T/X an the ESC 's an all 4 motors run great so today ive now got to try an wire them all in a 5 inch sqaure space an gonna be tricky as its a job tryin to bend this heavy duty wires so not lookin forward to that but i will be glad when its all in an some link pics of them firstly just the ESC'S NOW fitted with their connectors https://ibb.co/Nrbh5SZ an then here they are again but now with their 4 way fuse box fitted with just 20 amp fuses as now each ESC will work just one motor an fingers crossed this will work ok when on water load on props an im goin to power down if i can to 80% on my T/X daul rates an see if any better for this the 6th attempt https://ibb.co/CQ9nCDC
chrisb
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Post by: T888 on October 22, 2023, 11:13:07 am
Hope this all works ok this for you :-)) :-))
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Post by: Rob47 on October 22, 2023, 02:45:24 pm
Crikey Chris that looks complicated, hope it works though, still don't get the rates bit, would the stick you are using allow you to control the power from just tick over to full blast? I assume you are still planning to use just the one stick again, going to be fun getting that lot running {-)
Thought I had caught you problems, testing Hero for Saturday and port motor was jerky then today it was dead, esc working, direct power to motor ok wiring ok, so what could it be, finally sourced to a screw not fully tightened in the line connector, Sorted it and all running spot on. At least at Hereford its a purpose built pool so if a boat dies on with waders and rescue it, looking forward to this although weather is not looking good. Lets know how the latest set up goes. useless info, did you know your Tiger is only 6" longer then my Bristol!! yours a Cruiser mine Destroyer, how things change
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Post by: frogman3 on October 22, 2023, 03:26:17 pm
HI Dave so do i as been at fixin these just 2 esc's in for 2hrs now as only a 5 inch space to fit all 4 esc's but its that heavy duty wire that makin it difficult as it keeps bendin the esc's all over the show untill im sure that the wires terminals will reach where i want them to connect to fuse box an negative wires >>:-( :embarrassed: %) <*< hope your type 26 is goin easyier :-)) an while i was doin that a bloomin great hornet came out of hibination as room was warm an put the wind up me as our cat lilleiy was chasein it around the room flamein thing looked as big as a lancaster bomber an im terrified of them so it was let battle commence an i got it out of the window without gettin stung but talk about the shakes got me an tryin to keep lilliey from goin for it was a battle in itself wow chrisb chrisb
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Post by: frogman3 on October 22, 2023, 07:47:25 pm
HI AGAIN GUYS well i have fitted them 4 ESC 'S in but im not happy but they all work ok but they are too tight so im goin to try an move the esc;s nearest the fuse box an place them on the other side as this layout is not on an could get hot an catch fire but on the esc's they have only given me about 4 inches of positive wire so i think some exstenishions will be needed knew it would be tight but https://ibb.co/w6ZHkCN (https://ibb.co/w6ZHkCN) CHRISB
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Post by: frogman3 on October 22, 2023, 08:11:58 pm
Crikey Chris that looks complicated, hope it works though, still don't get the rates bit, would the stick you are using allow you to control the power from just tick over to full blast? I assume you are still planning to use just the one stick again, going to be fun getting that lot running {-)
Thought I had caught you problems, testing Hero for Saturday and port motor was jerky then today it was dead, esc working, direct power to motor ok wiring ok, so what could it be, finally sourced to a screw not fully tightened in the line connector, Sorted it and all running spot on. At least at Hereford its a purpose built pool so if a boat dies on with waders and rescue it, looking forward to this although weather is not looking good. Lets know how the latest set up goes. useless info, did you know your Tiger is only 6" longer then my Bristol!! yours a Cruiser mine Destroyer, how things change
HI Bob you say you dont get the rates bit well hopefully as i havnt treid it yet but usein them dual rates on the transmitter i can turn down the power to what i want an here in the pic is a shot out of the t/x instructishions talkin about it if you have read it ok an then i hope you will understand chrisb https://ibb.co/7QjRz7f (https://ibb.co/7QjRz7f)
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Post by: Rob47 on October 23, 2023, 10:44:39 am
Hi Chris I fully understand what fuel rates are but not why you are using them to reduce your power. Surely the easiest and safest way is how far you push the stick which which will give you 0% to 200% available power, most useful in an emergency Just my view but if your happy loosing some power then that’s fine, just not my thing I am afraid Bob
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Post by: frogman3 on October 23, 2023, 11:30:01 am
Hi Chris I fully understand what fuel rates are but not why you are using them to reduce your power. Surely the easiest and safest way is how far you push the stick which which will give you 0% to 200% available power, most useful in an emergency Just my view but if your happy loosing some power then that’s fine, just not my thing I am afraid Bob
HI Bob well my hand cordanation is not good when usein one stick on the rudder an one on the throttle on the left side stick an its easy to be a full throttle unkown to me as Norwich pond gets busy at times with other craft on the water an i dont want to hit them so im concentratein on that rather than my throttle if you understand what i mean sir an no i dont want to lose power but i may have to as the pond is only 60 ft accross so not a lot of time to take avioable action chrisb
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Post by: Rob47 on October 23, 2023, 12:34:28 pm
understood Chris Bob
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Post by: frogman3 on October 23, 2023, 02:34:54 pm
HI Bob will you be puttin on some pics of your models soon as be nice to see them :-)) chrisb
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Post by: Rob47 on October 23, 2023, 04:59:50 pm
Chris will be posting after the Halloween sail this Saturday Bob
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Post by: frogman3 on October 23, 2023, 09:28:32 pm
Chris will be posting after the Halloween sail this Saturday Bob
OK Bob great chrisb
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Post by: Rob47 on October 29, 2023, 10:11:58 am
Sadly Chris Event cancelled due to site being flooded out, and although probably drained now th3e integrity of the rail beds and surrounding area will not be usable for some time. They hope to reschedule it in the near future.
Bob
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Post by: frogman3 on October 30, 2023, 09:40:07 am
Sadly Chris Event cancelled due to site being flooded out, and although probably drained now th3e integrity of the rail beds and surrounding area will not be usable for some time. They hope to reschedule it in the near future.
Bob
AN HI Bob SORRY to hear that well always another do sometime stay safe an ive sent you an email chrisb
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Post by: Rob47 on October 30, 2023, 10:18:13 am
Chris not got any email
Bob
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Post by: frogman3 on October 30, 2023, 12:48:04 pm
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Post by: frogman3 on November 07, 2023, 10:05:17 am
HI GUYS well ive altered the layout of them 4 ESC 's so they arent so close but the wirein is not much better so i dont know if it better or worse but it all runs ok so its fingers crossed job an linkpic pic below chrisb https://ibb.co/ZmbhPCN
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Post by: frogman3 on November 07, 2023, 11:54:24 am
AN a linkpic of Tiger on show for the two day at last weeks lowmex show at lowestoft an very good show it was very enjoyable but after two days jen an i were shattered by the time we got back home https://ibb.co/XVb5RH8 chrisb
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Post by: frogman3 on November 07, 2023, 12:03:16 pm
AN Bob i gather you had a good talk with my mate paul hiatt about the tiger assoiation as he said you sent him some tiger pics chrisb :-))
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Post by: T888 on November 07, 2023, 02:33:00 pm
Looks impressive Chris :-)) :-))
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Post by: ballastanksian on November 07, 2023, 03:38:47 pm
She looks better and better every time I see her Chris. The lighting helped create a scale effect and made her even more detailed.
Blake appears in two of the third series of Warship called The Ides of Mark and again in 'The Buccaneer'.
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Post by: frogman3 on November 08, 2023, 09:26:05 am
She looks better and better every time I see her Chris. The lighting helped create a scale effect and made her even more detailed.
Blake appears in two of the third series of Warship called The Ides of Mark and again in 'The Buccaneer'.
thanks ballastanksian yes im pleased with her for a scratch build she turned out quite good an glad you like her as yes she looks good with her lights on an cheers for your kind words i just hope that the ESC layout now does the job when i try her out next yr ATB SIR chrisb
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Post by: Rob47 on November 08, 2023, 01:48:17 pm
AN Bob i gather you had a good talk with my mate paul hiatt about the tiger assoiation as he said you sent him some tiger pics chrisb :-))
H Chris Yes managed to chat to him, nice to see he is building the proper Tiger as many would say i.e. the ship before she got the shoe box. Sounds well on the way with it as well. Have you tested that layout yet?
Bob
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Post by: frogman3 on November 08, 2023, 08:35:53 pm
H Chris Yes managed to chat to him, nice to see he is building the proper Tiger as many would say i.e. the ship before she got the shoe box. Sounds well on the way with it as well. Have you tested that layout yet?
Bob
HI BOB i hope you enjoyed the chat to paul as he is a very nice gent an no i cant test out the new layout till nxt yr till i can get into norwich pond im afraid :embarrassed: :(( chrisb
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Post by: frogman3 on November 11, 2023, 12:34:26 pm
HI GUYS well ive been thinking about drilling that bad led out of one of the 6 inch guns that was playin up for about a month now on the best way to go about it so today jen came up to model room to give me a hand as just as well she did i opened up the gun turret so i could see the wires on the led the wires were both black so i dint know positive or negative so i got me trusty small dremel drill an procced to drill out the bad led in the gun barrel
but unknown to me when i c/a the led in postion in the gun barrel the c/a had run down the gun barrel an gone hardSO a problem there as the gun barrel was longer than the small 2mm drill bit so i had a thunk an fit an glued in the 2 mm drill into a brass tube which was longer than the gun barrell right / wrong so i stuck the long drill into the gun barrel an carryied on drillin an i hit a block of something hard an i though what can it be but again unknown to me the small drill bit must have been weak drill bit as an jen was lookin in the back of the gun barrell where the wires must come out
AN she found something that i dint exspect an that was a broken drill bit had jammed in the backend of the gun barrell god it took some gettin out but with jens help we managed it but it took most of the day an when we got a hole right through the gun barrel simple matter of threadin the led wires down the barrel right / wrong the bloomin wires wont go through an we tried for hrs to get the wires through an jen in the end got her tiny hand into the gun turret an manged to get the wires through PHEW what a tryin time but then it was just a matter of tryin to find out which wire was positive an neg an wirein the wires an soldering them in an covered in shrink rap to stop any short outs SO NOW BOTH GUNS FLASH AMBER IN TIME WITH THE GUN FIRE UNIT boy am i glad we got that done an as i thought it wasnt goin to be easy an it wasnt CHRISB AN JEN :-))
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Post by: T888 on November 11, 2023, 12:58:21 pm
Woo Chris,
That sounds like it was a real pain, but pleased you got it sorted :-))
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Post by: frogman3 on November 11, 2023, 01:35:09 pm
That sound like it was a real pain, but please you got it sorted :-))
HI Dave yes it was a real pain to do an i was dreadin doin it but when i treid out the guns it made me annoyed to see only one gun flash but two gun bangs so i asked jen to help me as i knew it would not be a simple drill out the failed led in the gun barrel an fit in a new led an just as well jen helped with her small hands in the gun turret as i could not get my hands in so in the end not a simple task but yes im pleased now the only thing that now dont work is the smoke unit as the mister has packed up but got another on the way but really tiger is now already for her next voyage cheers dave chrisb an jen :-))
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Post by: ballastanksian on November 13, 2023, 01:51:08 pm
You and your Jen are a great team. You hear sadly of so many partners and spouses whose sole reaction to ones hobby is eye rolling and grumbling about mess/expense/space/better things to do.
I am sure this isn't exclusive as I also see many very supportive other halves both in the trade side and hobby side of several historical miniature parts of our diverse creative hobby 8)
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Post by: frogman3 on November 14, 2023, 09:03:21 am
You and your Jen are a great team. You hear sadly of so many partners and spouses whose sole reaction to ones hobby is eye rolling and grumbling about mess/expense/space/better things to do.
I am sure this isn't exclusive as I also see many very supportive other halves both in the trade side and hobby side of several historical miniature parts of our diverse creative hobby 8)
HI Ballast yes jen is a great help to me an a great wife as she understands how much the model an gettin it goin right means to me as to me thats what married life is all about helpin each other as jen is in some ways a modeller as well as she does diamon art pictures an with her small hands she can do them easy as must be a difficult marrige where your partner wont help you oh dear divorse soon in the air lol
chrisb an jen
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Post by: frogman3 on December 06, 2023, 01:45:57 pm
HI all well tiger is now up to scratch an now ready for her next sail to see if i have anymore eletric probs so fingers crossed but got to wait till new yr so to sail at norwich pond if poss :-)) AN A HAPPY CHRITMAS TO YOU ALL FROM JEN AN I chrisb :D
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Post by: T888 on December 09, 2023, 04:48:17 am
Hi Chris
Please you got Tiger ready for her next sail, will be awaiting photos and video :-)) :-))
Have a happy Christmas
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Post by: frogman3 on January 01, 2024, 03:07:38 pm
Please you got Tiger ready for her next sail, will be awaiting photos and video :-)) :-))
Have a happy Christmas
HI Dave cheers an yes im lookin forward to her havin a new years sail but i wonder if anyone can tell me where i can get a heavy duty power distrobuition board as i think that may be my problem as all the wires in the front section goin through a PDB have no problems just the motor wires an there is not a PDB FITTED there so if i can get one i will fit it in an see what happens an sorry Dave cant do video CHEERS ALL chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: HMS Invisible on January 01, 2024, 06:30:13 pm
HI Dave cheers an yes im lookin forward to her havin a new years sail but i wonder if anyone can tell me where i can get a heavy duty power distrobuition board as i think that may be my problem as all the wires in the front section goin through a PDB have no problems just the motor wires an there is not a PDB FITTED there so if i can get one i will fit it in an see what happens an sorry Dave cant do video CHEERS ALL chrisb
This four gang opto isolater will require minor modification to work. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/273038938262 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/273038938262) Mtroniks will offer a working drop-in solution with probably three singles at many times its £5 cost. It would break the dashed-line fault current path in my diagram if you limit the removable red jumper links to one in number. That dashed line is a noisy motor current that leaks into the brown -ve signal wiring to upset the Mtroniks escs and melted the low temperature pvc brown/red/orange ribbon in th next escs. The longer you make the battery wires, or the more escs and negative wire paths you add, or more jumper connections you plug in beyond a single, the lower the relative back-door path resistance to motor current in the brown signal wires. A power distribution board worsens this effect by adding resistance in the supply negative.
You'll possibly get offers and recommendations for power distribution boards as a solution for erratic behaviour but it won't work.
In the meantime, as a diagnostic proof test, if you disconnect three escs at the receiver you will find the remaining connected esc will work perfectly. You will find all four escs work in isolation but the problems you had in the past only show when you have a path for an unwanted dashed-line motor current in the signal wires.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 02, 2024, 01:57:18 pm
This four gang opto isolater will require minor modification to work. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/273038938262 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/273038938262) Mtroniks will offer a working drop-in solution with probably three singles at many times its £5 cost. It would break the dashed-line fault current path in my diagram if you limit the removable red jumper links to one in number. That dashed line is a noisy motor current that leaks into the brown -ve signal wiring to upset the Mtroniks escs and melted the low temperature pvc brown/red/orange ribbon in th next escs. The longer you make the battery wires, or the more escs and negative wire paths you add, or more jumper connections you plug in beyond a single, the lower the relative back-door path resistance to motor current in the brown signal wires. A power distribution board worsens this effect by adding resistance in the supply negative.
You'll possibly get offers and recommendations for power distribution boards as a solution for erratic behaviour but it won't work.
In the meantime, as a diagnostic proof test, if you disconnect three escs at the receiver you will find the remaining connected esc will work perfectly. You will find all four escs work in isolation but the problems you had in the past only show when you have a path for an unwanted dashed-line motor current in the signal wires.
HI There well TBH i dont really understand what you are sayin about this gizmo an i have not got Mtroniks esc's in her now but many thank for you tryin to exsplain sir as im not that good on eletronics but cheers for you takin the time to try an exsplain CHEERs Chrisb :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on January 02, 2024, 04:07:26 pm
Happy ew Year Chris, hope it works this time. Thinking about my approach and why I have not issues,everything on my boats is 12 volt or servo 12v through a cheap simple fuse box, LED are through a board that can cope with masses of led with output having its own resistor and dimmer, Stll hope you find the solution.bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 02, 2024, 07:15:31 pm
Happy ew Year Chris, hope it works this time. Thinking about my approach and why I have not issues,everything on my boats is 12 volt or servo 12v through a cheap simple fuse box, LED are through a board that can cope with masses of led with output having its own resistor and dimmer, Stll hope you find the solution.bob [/qu ote]
HI BOB an happy new year to you too an so do i roll on summer so i can take tiger for another sail ATB TO YOU SIR chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: HMS Invisible on January 02, 2024, 11:01:12 pm
HI There well TBH i dont really understand what you are sayin about this gizmo an i have not got Mtroniks esc's in her now but many thank for you tryin to exsplain sir as im not that good on eletronics but cheers for you takin the time to try an explain CHEERs Chrisb :-))
I posted in October where you progressed to two 480a fan-cooled Chinese escs. Here: Link (https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,63106.msg755879.html#msg755879)
In there, you asked why the pvc insulation of the brown/red/yellow of both escs melted so I appended a 12 year old gif titled loop_current with the fault current path marked in dashes and arrows. I followed up with a list of four asterisk highlighted options to prevent a recurrance.
If you now lengthen the battery wires and add a P.D.B. with screw terminals go further with two more escs my 5% calculation of motor current coursing through the brown coloured Rx wire is more like 15%. That's okay with four 555 motors on 18-24 volt but not the motors you chose.
If you scratch out the possibility of using 555 motors and add a screw terminal P.DB. I would elevate one of the two remaining remedial measures (optoisolation or propulsion batteries for each esc) to an essential measure to prevent one or more escs biting the dust.
Mtroniks sell a single channel optoisolator for £10 and you'd possibly get it from shops and Ebay. It will work for any brand of esc . I suggest you:- 1) unhook two of the four escs 2) buy the optoisolator with the jazzy glitch buster name and £10 price 3) use an Rx pack so you don't need two of the above 4) trust me when I say the Mtroniks, Chinese 480 will handle the current of two 775 and the flashing leds and melty wire problems were down to motor current in your Rx wires.
Proof test. If your boat goes batshit crazy or the Rx wires melt but don't smoke & fuse. Stop! Unplug all but one of the esc-to-Rx plugs. If each esc works this way but the problem comes back when you plug in the other escs or switching bec then you know your £10-per-esc optoisolator will permanently solve the issue. So will one battery per esc.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 03, 2024, 11:45:29 am
I posted in October where you progressed to two 480a fan-cooled Chinese escs. Here: Link (https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,63106.msg755879.html#msg755879)
In there, you asked why the pvc insulation of the brown/red/yellow of both escs melted so I appended a 12 year old gif titled loop_current with the fault current path marked in dashes and arrows. I followed up with a list of four asterisk highlighted options to prevent a recurrance.
If you now lengthen the battery wires and add a P.D.B. with screw terminals go further with two more escs my 5% calculation of motor current coursing through the brown coloured Rx wire is more like 15%. That's okay with four 555 motors on 18-24 volt but not the motors you chose.
If you scratch out the possibility of using 555 motors and add a screw terminal P.DB. I would elevate one of the two remaining remedial measures (optoisolation or propulsion batteries for each esc) to an essential measure to prevent one or more escs biting the dust.
Mtroniks sell a single channel optoisolator for £10 and you'd possibly get it from shops and Ebay. It will work for any brand of esc . I suggest you:- 1) unhook two of the four escs 2) buy the optoisolator with the jazzy glitch buster name and £10 price 3) use an Rx pack so you don't need two of the above 4) trust me when I say the Mtroniks, Chinese 480 will handle the current of two 775 and the flashing leds and melty wire problems were down to motor current in your Rx wires.
Proof test. If your boat goes batshit crazy or the Rx wires melt but don't smoke & fuse. Stop! Unplug all but one of the esc-to-Rx plugs. If each esc works this way but the problem comes back when you plug in the other escs or switching bec then you know your £10-per-esc optoisolator will permanently solve the issue. So will one battery per esc.
HI There many thanks for your info BUT to be honest i dont understand as im not as good as you on eletronics im afraid so im just goin to try my idea out in the summer an see how things go as in the 30 odd yrs ive built these big ships with eletronise ESC in ive never had these probs only since ive gone onto this BECC system cheers for your help maybe i should not be building these complex model but this is proberly the last ship anyway as gettin to old now
ATB TO YOU SIR chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: HMS Invisible on January 09, 2024, 05:29:40 pm
I hope all goes well Chris but I think there is a very high chance that you are going to needlessly lose an esc. Single strands from multi-strand wire for diy fuses or 0.5 amp 16v resettable polyfuses in the negative wires of the 3-way plugs to each esc will not do the job of optoisolators. They are another chore but would insure against loss of £50, however.
To anyone else: using a distribution board, look at my loop_current gif diagram to see the dashed line where the full motor current goes if one of the negative esc to battery screw connections goes high resistance or works loose. It takes out an internal esc track or the negative wire to receiver in a split second.
Optical computer mice contain optocouplers but component parts and resistors can be bought for a few pennies. You can glue such simple circuits to varnished plywood and get circuit suggestions from youtube.
I incorporated onboard optocoupled links in my sub products for the simple reason that they are needed where power devices share a main battery then feed a negative connection from the battery cathode back to the receiver. I put the warnings and safety steps to share batteries on the esc instruction sheets. Electronize didn't write their instruction sheet warning for no reason, Mtroniks didn't later sell stand alone optocouplers for decoration and Robbe and Engel Modellbau didn't put multiple batteries, servo-operated microswitches or relay boards without a reason. Such suppliers would be negligent if they didn't take these steps.
There is no such responsibility or consequences for the end users who build there own models. That's what to consider when following in the footsteps of others. You may miss key details.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 10, 2024, 02:39:08 pm
I hope all goes well Chris but I think there is a very high chance that you are going to needlessly lose an esc. Single strands from multi-strand wire for diy fuses or 0.5 amp 16v resettable polyfuses in the negative wires of the 3-way plugs to each esc will not do the job of optoisolators. They are another chore but would insure against loss of £50, however.
To anyone else: using a distribution board, look at my loop_current gif diagram to see the dashed line where the full motor current goes if one of the negative esc to battery screw connections goes high resistance or works loose. It takes out an internal esc track or the negative wire to receiver in a split second.
Optical computer mice contain optocouplers but component parts and resistors can be bought for a few pennies. You can glue such simple circuits to varnished plywood and get circuit suggestions from youtube.
I incorporated onboard optocoupled links in my sub products for the simple reason that they are needed where power devices share a main battery then feed a negative connection from the battery cathode back to the receiver. I put the warnings and safety steps to share batteries on the esc instruction sheets. Electronize didn't write their instruction sheet warning for no reason, Mtroniks didn't later sell stand alone optocouplers for decoration and Robbe and Engel Modellbau didn't put multiple batteries, servo-operated microswitches or relay boards without a reason. Such suppliers would be negligent if they didn't take these steps.
There is no such responsibility or consequences for the end users who build there own models. That's what to consider when following in the footsteps of others. You may miss key details.
HI There sir so from wha i can gather you are sayin id be better off buyin an fittin in a 4 way optoisolators ? so could you please draw a diogram on how i would go about fittin one in do i do away with my 4way fuse box an fit that [/size]optoisolators in its place ? that then feeds the ESC 's ? many thanks for info if you can sir [/size]chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: HMS Invisible on January 10, 2024, 03:58:31 pm
I'd be glad to do a diagram because it should make the whole subject clearer. A diagram is not going to appear by today's end, even if it is a photo of a hand drawn sketch. I had the intention, but not the workspace to produce a small batch last summer. Some for myself and some for a local Mayhem member. I already have surplus component parts from years ago. From memory, a four pin TLP121 (https://www.futurlec.com/Datasheet/LED/TLP121.pdf) was costing less than 5p at 1,000+ qty. A home made Rx to ESC interface would be terminated with male & female servo connectors rather than screw terminals. I'll try posting a photo or two by Thursday morning. It could happen Thursday evening.
The opto project wouldn't replace main power fuses which are essential in my opinion. If space is a problem, blade fuses can be replaced by tin-plated copper wire or in line cylindrical fuses. Those are items I used to give away like sweets with esc orders along with 47nF disc capacitors & polyswitches. Main power switches are the redudant & trouble prone things to abandon.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 10, 2024, 06:47:47 pm
I'd be glad to do a diagram because it should make the whole subject clearer. A diagram is not going to appear by today's end, even if it is a photo of a hand drawn sketch. I had the intention, but not the workspace to produce a small batch last summer. Some for myself and some for a local Mayhem member. I already have surplus component parts from years ago. From memory, a four pin TLP121 (https://www.futurlec.com/Datasheet/LED/TLP121.pdf) was costing less than 5p at 1,000+ qty. A home made Rx to ESC interface would be terminated with male & female servo connectors rather than screw terminals. I'll try posting a photo or two by Thursday morning. It could happen Thursday evening.
The opto project wouldn't replace main power fuses which are essential in my opinion. If space is a problem, blade fuses can be replaced by tin-plated copper wire or in line cylindrical fuses. Those are items I used to give away like sweets with esc orders along with 47nF disc capacitors & polyswitches. Main power switches are the redudant & trouble prone things to abandon.
OK Sir many thanks hope i can understand your diogram to try an sort my probs out on tiger as in all my big ship models ive never had this prob before untill i was forced lnto fittin this becc system
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 15, 2024, 09:38:23 am
I'd be glad to do a diagram because it should make the whole subject clearer. A diagram is not going to appear by today's end, even if it is a photo of a hand drawn sketch. I had the intention, but not the workspace to produce a small batch last summer. Some for myself and some for a local Mayhem member. I already have surplus component parts from years ago. From memory, a four pin TLP121 (https://www.futurlec.com/Datasheet/LED/TLP121.pdf) was costing less than 5p at 1,000+ qty. A home made Rx to ESC interface would be terminated with male & female servo connectors rather than screw terminals. I'll try posting a photo or two by Thursday morning. It could happen Thursday evening.
The opto project wouldn't replace main power fuses which are essential in my opinion. If space is a problem, blade fuses can be replaced by tin-plated copper wire or in line cylindrical fuses. Those are items I used to give away like sweets with esc orders along with 47nF disc capacitors & polyswitches. Main power switches are the redudant & trouble prone things to abandon.
HI Invisible any chance on that diogram then ? an please make it simple sir chrisb :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: HMS Invisible on January 15, 2024, 12:19:42 pm
The easiest to digest would have been a photo with a unit soldered together. The diagram below will do for those who dabble in electronics. I don't have a permanent work area set up to solder but I'm sure I can make single coupler units & photograph it by tomorrow. That's what you need short of a complete item. (https://i.postimg.cc/Jy039zwN/20240115-114717.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Jy039zwN) The lowest component solution using my component inventory that I would be satisfied with would be one servo extension cable with an optocoupler & three resistors per channel. The aim is to leave the recommended single connection from 12v battery -ve to the -ve rail of your receiver.
For the electronic nerds:- ........................ TLP521 datasheet (https://www.futurlec.com/Datasheet/LED/TLP521.pdf)
There is no need for a pcboard using resistors. Single coupler leads could be soldered, potted and heatshrunk as an optoisolated extension lead. G indicates it has 100% to 600% ctr. R1 and R2 can be chosen to suit the ctr
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 15, 2024, 02:27:20 pm
The easiest to digest would have been a photo with a unit soldered together. The diagram below will do for those who dabble in electronics. I don't have a permanent work area set up to solder but I'm sure I can make single coupler units & photograph it by tomorrow. That's what you need short of a complete item. (https://i.postimg.cc/Jy039zwN/20240115-114717.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Jy039zwN) The lowest component solution using my component inventory that I would be satisfied with would be one servo extension cable with an optocoupler & three resistors per channel. The aim is to leave the recommended single connection from 12v battery -ve to the -ve rail of your receiver.
For the electronic nerds:- ........................ TLP521 datasheet (https://www.futurlec.com/Datasheet/LED/TLP521.pdf)
There is no need for a pcboard using resistors. Single coupler leads could be soldered, potted and heatshrunk as an optoisolated extension lead. G indicates it has 100% to 600% ctr. R1 and R2 can be chosen to suit the ctr
cheers sir
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: HMS Invisible on January 18, 2024, 10:38:10 am
...There is no need for a pcboard using resistors. Single coupler leads could be soldered, potted and heatshrunk as an optoisolated extension lead. G indicates it has 100% to 600% ctr. R1 and R2 can be chosen to suit the ctr
Hot glue chips in heatshrink insulation works for sealing soldered cables but it wasn't optimal in the first attempt. There are three wire ended 1/8 watt resistors and repeat flexing will damage the components or solder joints.
I'll encase others I made in glass microstrands in epoxy & possibly supported in 1/4" wide, 1/32" thick epoxy fibre board. All this was to avoid the use of copper clad and punched veroboard & surface mount components. For the DIY minded people I would recommend buying the PC817 modules from Ebay then adapt with a dremel or Stanley knife to replicate the circuit I sketched in the prior post. ...................... I'll take any further discussion to the Electrics & Electronics (https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/board,151.0.html) section if optoisolation of interest to anyone.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 27, 2024, 12:41:08 pm
Hot glue chips in heatshrink insulation works for sealing soldered cables but it wasn't optimal in the first attempt. There are three wire ended 1/8 watt resistors and repeat flexing will damage the components or solder joints.
I'll encase others I made in glass microstrands in epoxy & possibly supported in 1/4" wide, 1/32" thick epoxy fibre board. All this was to avoid the use of copper clad and punched veroboard & surface mount components. For the DIY minded people I would recommend buying the PC817 modules from Ebay then adapt with a dremel or Stanley knife to replicate the circuit I sketched in the prior post. ...................... I'll take any further discussion to the Electrics & Electronics (https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/board,151.0.html) section if optoisolation of interest to anyone.
HI INVISABLE well im sorry to say that what you have posted in your diograms is beyond me but thank you for tryin as ive looked up on ebay for this [/size]optoisolated an there are sevarl on there an i dont know which one to get or how to wire it into the circut between the fuse box an the ESC 's sorry as im not that good on eletronics but if you could exsplain it a bit more in the eletronics section an please a simple layout of where this board fits in the circuts thanks sir AN WILL IT FIX MY PROBLEM ? [/size]CHRISB
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on January 27, 2024, 01:52:43 pm
HMS Invincible,
Am I correct in ready what you posted is for Chris to make four of the units in your diagram and install them between the receiver and each of the ESC ?
Also am I correct in what that your saying, these will protect from power surge in the wiring, therefore protecting each ESC, apposed to using fuses ?
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: HMS Invisible on January 27, 2024, 04:24:13 pm
I wanted to avoid drawing this out on the HMS Tiger thread. I'll answer individually starting with the easiest that won't require caffeine.
Am I correct in ready what you posted is for Chris to make four of the units in your diagram and install them between the receiver and each of the ESC ?
I completed one exactly as per my hand drawn diagram, plus eight more requiring potting after a connector & test for each of them. I also wanted to draw vero stripboard layout and drilled ply diagrams before making a thread about what the circuit does.
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Also am I correct in what that your saying, these will protect from power surge in the wiring, therefore protecting each ESC, apposed to using fuses ? [/size]
Opposed to as in the optocoupler leads will make the the arrangement work reliably and safely while the fuse will inevitably rupture, save the escs but act as a wake up call. Give me until 6pm. I need do do a diagram but also have a coffee and deal this guy who's batted back ten Whatsapp messages about his broken ebike and now phoning.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: HMS Invisible on January 27, 2024, 08:46:49 pm
T888, I've redrawn the diagram that shows the unwanted motor current leaking onto signal wires as three (3) amp. That's the current that upset the signal inputs to Chris's Mtroniks escs & heated the brown wire of the Chinese escs & melted the pvc insulation. (https://i.postimg.cc/D4QvdHvh/loop-current-3.gif) (https://postimg.cc/D4QvdHvh)
Anticipating the question: Why the 27:3 split in the case of the diagram? Answer: Because the short fat black wire from the left esc to the Y-split has a parallel path of two brown wires + the right hand esc at nine times the resistance.
Solutions: keep strictly to one battery to receiver -ve connection with opto leads, or more batteries, or low current motors. ..................... Chris, it looks like you have a choice between what I have, and can supply at post cost, or adapt the Arduino ones with a dremel or scalpel after taking better photos than Ebay or finding a confident diy electronic enthusiast. I know the Arduino ones can be made to work but I can't say what needs done because I decided not to buy one. I was going to get a Mayhem member to independently demo ( including blown fuse or polyswitch) but his club took a weather break yesterday. I can post out on Monday. ADDENDUM This image shows a single optocoupler lead in situ where there are two escs and no external ubec. (https://i.postimg.cc/Mvfg9yZ3/NO-loop-current.gif) (https://postimg.cc/Mvfg9yZ3) The second connection from battery -ve to receiver -ve rail is broken so motor current is kept out of the signal wiring. The Arduino couplers need slight modification by cutting tracks and soldering because they are wired to invert the signal where rc application needs a non-inverted coupler. There is discussion of this in this forum (https://forum.pjrc.com/index.php?threads/basic-optoisolator-advice.47895/).
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 28, 2024, 11:43:18 am
T888, I've redrawn the diagram that shows the unwanted motor current leaking onto signal wires as three (3) amp. That's the current that upset the signal inputs to Chris's Mtroniks escs & heated the brown wire of the Chinese escs & melted the pvc insulation. (https://i.postimg.cc/D4QvdHvh/loop-current-3.gif) (https://postimg.cc/D4QvdHvh)
Anticipating the question: Why the 27:3 split in the case of the diagram? Answer: Because the short fat black wire from the left esc to the Y-split has a parallel path of two brown wires + the right hand esc at nine times the resistance.
Solutions: keep strictly to one battery to receiver -ve connection with opto leads, or more batteries, or low current motors. ..................... Chris, it looks like you have a choice between what I have, and can supply at post cost, or adapt the Arduino ones with a dremel or scalpel after taking better photos than Ebay or finding a confident diy electronic enthusiast. I know the Arduino ones can be made to work but I can't say what needs done because I decided not to buy one. I was going to get a Mayhem member to independently demo ( including blown fuse or polyswitch) but his club took a weather break yesterday. I can post out on Monday. ADDENDUM This image shows a single optocoupler lead in situ where there are two escs and no external ubec. (https://i.postimg.cc/Mvfg9yZ3/NO-loop-current.gif) (https://postimg.cc/Mvfg9yZ3) The second connection from battery -ve to receiver -ve rail is broken so motor current is kept out of the signal wiring. The Arduino couplers need slight modification by cutting tracks and soldering because they are wired to invert the signal where rc application needs a non-inverted coupler. There is discussion of this in this forum (https://forum.pjrc.com/index.php?threads/basic-optoisolator-advice.47895/).
HI again invisable oh many many many thanks for you sir to go to all the trouble drawin this all out i cant thank you enough but i can understand some bits of you diogram but not enough to wire this in im afraid but i have a freind who is good at eletronics an he says give me a while to look at what you sir are sayin in your diograms an he will then hopefully exsplain it in a more easy way for me to understand so till i hear from him i'll leave it at that but thank you sir chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: HMS Invisible on January 28, 2024, 12:14:06 pm
I've made up enough leads and the chap they were initially made for is eying up a dual mixable esc which isn't going to need them. Four could be yours for cost of posting (https://i.postimg.cc/f3T9JGF1/20240128-115320.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/f3T9JGF1)
Bear in mind is not just what I'm saying. Robbie, Engel, OTW, Mtroniks, Electronize all address the potential issue. It's very real in your case with high current motors and now with four escs. An electronics hobbyist should have no trouble adapting the four way Ebay modules for non-inverting use and be able to digest the diagrams and Electronize warning in no more than two seconds.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 28, 2024, 03:51:15 pm
I've made up enough leads and the chap they were initially made for is eying up a dual mixable esc which isn't going to need them. Four could be yours for cost of posting (https://i.postimg.cc/f3T9JGF1/20240128-115320.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/f3T9JGF1)
Bear in mind is not just what I'm saying. Robbie, Engel, OTW, Mtroniks, Electronize all address the potential issue. It's very real in your case with high current motors and now with four escs. An electronics hobbyist should have no trouble adapting the four way Ebay modules for non-inverting use and be able to digest the diagrams and Electronize warning in no more than two seconds.
OK SIR whats the cost of postage ? an how can i pay you ? an will i still have to buy from ebay this [/size]optocoupler ? an which one please can you advise me on this sir ? an when you send these leads could you please put in a compleate wirein diagram for me thats simple to understand ? [/size]thank you sir [/size]chris
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: T888 on January 28, 2024, 04:33:58 pm
HMS Invisible,
Thanks for the update diagrams, just to confirm if Chris take up your offer for the units, he would not require to purchase the eBay unit ?
Thanks and Chris sorry to post on Tiger thread but I think it will help you in the end.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: HMS Invisible on January 28, 2024, 04:46:44 pm
Yes, Chris will benefit and I hope it's found that only two escs are needed. If one had switching bec there'd be only a need for one opto lead.
£1.55 by 2nd and £2.30 1st these days covers large letters.
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an how can i pay you ?
Paypal friend/family or use PayPal to create a label image which can be emailed. (https://www.royalmail.com/sending)That was the way I used to do it anyway.
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an will i still have to buy from ebay this optocoupler ?
No, I used scrap connectors and surplus components to make individual leads that fit between escs and the receiver. Each one is like a short servo extension lead.
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an which one please can you advise me on this sir ? an when you send these leads could you please put in a compleate wirein diagram for me thats simple to understand ?
Yes, it was my intention to make a straightforward guide in a separate thread. That may not be ready for a few days since I've had a near six year break from these tasks.
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thank you sir chris
I'll pm tomorrow. I'm up at 4.30 each morning, these days.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 28, 2024, 06:07:15 pm
Yes, Chris will benefit and I hope it's found that only two escs are needed. If one had switching bec there'd be only a need for one opto lead.
£1.55 by 2nd and £2.30 1st these days covers large letters.Paypal friend/family or use PayPal to create a label image which can be emailed. (https://www.royalmail.com/sending)That was the way I used to do it anyway.No, I used scrap connectors and surplus components to make individual leads that fit between escs and the receiver. Each one is like a short servo extension lead.Yes, it was my intention to make a straightforward guide in a separate thread. That may not be ready for a few days since I've had a near six year break from these tasks.I'll pm tomorrow. I'm up at 4.30 each morning, these days.
HI again sir if you pm me your address then the only way i can pay you is to send you payment of cash in the post an i'll send my address also for you to send me the the leads an diogram is this ok chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on January 29, 2024, 10:36:41 pm
Yes, Chris will benefit and I hope it's found that only two escs are needed. If one had switching bec there'd be only a need for one opto lead. Hi that’s how my Tiger ran, one sc for port two motors and one for starboard, worked a treat Bob £1.55 by 2nd and £2.30 1st these days covers large letters.Paypal friend/family or use PayPal to create a label image which can be emailed. (https://www.royalmail.com/sending)That was the way I used to do it anyway.No, I used scrap connectors and surplus components to make individual leads that fit between escs and the receiver. Each one is like a short servo extension lead.Yes, it was my intention to make a straightforward guide in a separate thread. That may not be ready for a few days since I've had a near six year break from these tasks.I'll pm tomorrow. I'm up at 4.30 each morning, these days.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 30, 2024, 09:27:53 am
HI Bob you Qoute below If one had switching bec there'd be only a need for one opto lead.Hi that’s how my Tiger ran, one sc for port two motors and one for starboard, worked a treatBob
Well Bob ive done that twice now or maybe three times with dfferent ESC 'S an no joy im afraid so i'll see if i can understand an do it mike's way an see what happens but thanks for your Qoute Chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on January 30, 2024, 02:04:53 pm
HI Bob you Qoute below If one had switching bec there'd be only a need for one opto lead.Hi that’s how my Tiger ran, one sc for port two motors and one for starboard, worked a treatBob
Well Bob ive done that twice now or maybe three times with dfferent ESC 'S an no joy im afraid so i'll see if i can understand an do it mike's way an see what happens but thanks for your Qoute Chrisb
Hi Chris that did not come out righ fr some reason {-) what I tried say was ,two esc, one port one starboard. Left stick and right stick. I know you want it all on one stick. Hope that make more sense
Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 30, 2024, 02:41:20 pm
Hi Chris that did not come out righ fr some reason {-) what I tried say was ,two esc, one port one starboard. Left stick and right stick. I know you want it all on one stick. Hope that make more sense
Bob
AN HI BOB yes i just want them ESC 's all to work from one stick which is cha 2 on my T/X chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: HMS Invisible on January 30, 2024, 04:29:22 pm
The opto lead connection diagram asked for.
This simplified diagram is for two thumbs controlling two independant throttle channels. If ESC number 4 supplied 5 or 6 volt to the receiver and servos the disconnected red wire in the bottom Y-lead would have to be restored.
If a separate b.e.c. is used all four escs would require opto leads.
Click on the thumbnail to open it on postimg.org, the image host. To see it full size on a mobile device hold over the image on postimage.org and open in a new tab. (https://i.postimg.cc/1grxWfBn/3-opto-escs.gif) (https://postimg.cc/1grxWfBn)
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 30, 2024, 05:06:46 pm
This simplified diagram is for two thumbs controlling two independant throttle channels. If ESC number 4 supplied 5 or 6 volt to the receiver and servos the disconnected red wire in the bottom Y-lead would have to be restored.
If a separate b.e.c. is used all four escs would require opto leads.
Click on the thumbnail to open it on postimg.org, the image host. To see it full size on a mobile device hold over the image on postimage.org and open in a new tab. (https://i.postimg.cc/1grxWfBn/3-opto-escs.gif) (https://postimg.cc/1grxWfBn)
HI Mike well from what i can make out first from the left is the motors an then the big sqaures are the ESC 'S ? YES? AN then the ESC leads go into a Y lead yes ? an then to the R/X SO CAN I THE LINK BOTH LEADS INTO ANOTHER Y LEAD SO THEN ITS JUST ONE Y LEAD TO THE R/X ? CHRIS
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: HMS Invisible on January 30, 2024, 05:52:37 pm
In other words, you are considering a four way splitter.
You may as use a four way splitter or one high current ESC that I just bought to have a look at and no opto leads if you keep inner & outer motors Y- leaded at present. {-) I'm up for that. It'll make room for your tools and cut down the wiring to a tenth.
Most suggestions will be Y-lead the left motors & the right motors as two pairs, as Rob47 suggested. It would give you the possibility of steering with the motors in addition to or instead of the rudder.
I further suggest plug two Y-leads into a tiny £2.50 v-tail mixer then into receiver. If you don't get used to it in 5 minutes, take out the mixer to use the 4 way splitter or the esc I described in this and following post. https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,69839.msg758575.html#msg758575
There are other options.
Fleet Systems, as standard, included a Tx switch that would combine twin throttle over on one stick. I think they also had an on-board hardware mixer available. Some modern sets should allow you to wire in twin throttle & mix for single stick throttle then change to "four way splitting" mode.
Your description of the diagram is correct but I am doubting you see the diagram in the largest possible size. Readers should be able to make out text and details within the three opto lead symbols after viewing the postimg page without even downloading the 800x 800 pixel image I uploaded.
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 30, 2024, 06:41:25 pm
In other words, you are considering a four way splitter.
You may as use a four way splitter or one high current ESC that I just bought to have a look at and no opto leads if you keep inner & outer motors Y- leaded at present. {-) I'm up for that. It'll make room for your tools and cut down the wiring to a tenth.
Most suggestions will be Y-lead the left motors & the right motors as two pairs, as Rob47 suggested. It would give you the possibility of steering with the motors in addition to or instead of the rudder.
I further suggest plug two Y-leads into a tiny £2.50 v-tail mixer then into receiver. If you don't get used to it in 5 minutes, take out the mixer to use the 4 way splitter or the esc I described in this and following post. https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,69839.msg758575.html#msg758575 (https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,69839.msg758575.html#msg758575)
There are other options.
Fleet Systems, as standard, included a Tx switch that would combine twin throttle over on one stick. I think they also had an on-board hardware mixer available. Some modern sets should allow you to wire in twin throttle & mix for single stick throttle then change to "four way splitting" mode.
Your description of the diagram is correct but I am doubting you see the diagram in the largest possible size. Readers should be able to make out text and details within the three opto lead symbols after viewing the postimg page without even downloading the 800x 800 pixel image I uploaded.
Well Mike im stickin with the 4 way splitter an fit in your opto leads an the take the leads down to another single Y LEAD THAT WILL GO TO the R/X an it will work all from one stick on my T/X an i have to wait till warmer wheather an when i can get into Norwich pond when they have a open day then i will take tiger an see what happens many thank sir chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 31, 2024, 09:49:49 am
HI again Mike will i need to fit them suppression capasitors accross the motor terminals that you sent ? as if i remember rightly my new R/C says in instructions that i dont need to do this as the motors wont affect the R/C with interferance an thats why i havnt fitted none on them motors CHRISB
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: HMS Invisible on January 31, 2024, 09:54:12 am
No, suppressors, polyswitches and spare opto leads can go to your club for "tea money"
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 31, 2024, 10:08:07 am
No, suppressors, polyswitches and spare opto leads can go to your club for "tea money"
SO that a no i dont need to then an jen an i take a flask of coffee lol an many thanks sir for your help much apprecaited cheers will let you know how it all goes when an open day at the pond at Norwich as i cant sail Tiger on the sherigham pond as the water is high an tiger is a big high model an if the wind catches her an blows her into the pond over hang then it will smash all the masts off an i dont want that job of repairin all that ATB Mike to you an yours chrisb :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: HMS Invisible on January 31, 2024, 10:13:54 am
Sheringham? Say hello to Geoff. :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 31, 2024, 12:37:13 pm
Hi Chris. HMS Phoebe, but not touched it for a while to cold in garage
Bob
OK Bob thanks at least now i'll know where to look as i though you was building HMS BRISTOL but its now HMS phoebe ok that a type 12 isnt it ? as a freind gave me a 1/96 plan for one of them nice lookin ship :-)) chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on January 31, 2024, 06:13:21 pm
Bristol was yonks ago, {-) built victorious,Leviathan since then Phoebe is Leander class which is branch of T12 Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on January 31, 2024, 10:25:49 pm
Hi Chris, have you tried Tiger out with new layout for electrics Bob
Hello Bob No not yet as too cold to go to pond an have to wait till a club open day maybe about late march to aprill as cant sail her at sheringham as she is too big an may smash her mast on the pond over hang but when she does go i'll let you know what happened sir An hope you are well ATB chrisb :-))
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on February 09, 2024, 10:50:38 pm
Hi Chris. I meant have you dry run the system to see if all the new bits work, rather than a fail at the pond.
Yes all well here getting on with Phoebe hard part at moment is making the urinal for her. Will do some new pics for you soon Hope you both coping with this cold weather
Bob
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on February 10, 2024, 11:46:23 am
Hi Chris. I meant have you dry run the system to see if all the new bits work, rather than a fail at the pond.
Yes all well here getting on with Phoebe hard part at moment is making the urinal for her. Will do some new pics for you soon Hope you both coping with this cold weather
Bob
OH sorry Bob i dint think about the dry run to just see if it all works but cant yet as tigers all packed away an cant fit new leads yet but wil fit new leads when i get her out when a sailin day comes up as my building table is all covered with a big 1/32 scale plastic TOMCAT build that im doin till the warmer wheather an jen an i are glad you are ok sir an yes be nice to see some pics of phoebe on this forum in your blog an yes jen an i are copein with the cold wheather with the CENTRAL Heatin on ATB SIR chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: frogman3 on April 02, 2024, 11:41:20 am
OH sorry Bob i dint think about the dry run to just see if it all works but cant yet as tigers all packed away an cant fit new leads yet but wil fit new leads when i get her out when a sailin day comes up as my building table is all covered with a big 1/32 scale plastic TOMCAT build that im doin till the warmer wheather an jen an i are glad you are ok sir an yes be nice to see some pics of phoebe on this forum in your blog an yes jen an i are copein with the cold wheather with the CENTRAL Heatin on ATB SIR chrisb
HI Bob well next wk i will be tryin out them new opto leads in tiger to see if they work ok an only another 2 wks before i can sail tiger great stuff chrisb
Title: Re: Chris' HMS TIGER (C20) - 1:72 SCALE
Post by: Rob47 on April 02, 2024, 04:08:03 pm