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Title: Adding Bulwarks?
Post by: tizdaz on September 01, 2019, 11:31:44 PM
hi guys, What is best method to get the right size template for each bulwark for my TID?

I need to make just under 40 of them so trying to figure out the best method?
Cheers :)
Title: Re: Adding Bulwarks?
Post by: RST on September 02, 2019, 07:14:54 AM
Theres only one bulwark on a TID. Which part do you need to make 40 off? Is it the upright stiffeners / stanchions or something else?
Title: Re: Adding Bulwarks?
Post by: tizdaz on September 02, 2019, 03:23:47 PM
sorry yup, its the stanchions :)
Title: Re: Adding Bulwarks?
Post by: tizdaz on September 02, 2019, 03:32:58 PM
heres a pic of what i mean :)
(https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/data:image/png;base64,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dont know why pic isnt showing, in preview it does but then i post & it dont :/
Title: Re: Adding Bulwarks?
Post by: tizdaz on September 02, 2019, 03:39:03 PM
cant post image links from google on here so ive uploaded it to my own server, heres the pic:
(http://www.rctugs.co.uk/temp/stanchion.png)
Title: Re: Adding Bulwarks?
Post by: Netleyned on September 02, 2019, 04:10:49 PM
Tids were a weld together kit of plates
so no rivets methinks. Just a triangular
steel plate with a cutout outboard lower
corner as a water runaway.
Ned
Title: Re: Adding Bulwarks?
Post by: coch y bonddu on September 02, 2019, 05:06:58 PM
Er dont make the same mistake as me.....each ruddy angle is different as you go along the deck !!!!!!!!!!






Dave
Title: Re: Adding Bulwarks?
Post by: RST on September 02, 2019, 05:21:22 PM
What plans are you working to? Does the body plan show the transverse sections up to the top of the gunnel? If so then trace an outline from that. If the gunnel has a horizontal plate I've found it convenient to try and make as many of the stanchions the same, glue them in position then run the gunnel. Leaves a framework you can apply masking tape to, then trim back with a sharp knife and peel-off and transfer to the flat plate for the bulwark.  You can always insert extra stanchions in-between and sand back carefully.


If they're not shown on the body plan a good estimate is to look at the plan, and the profile, so that gives you the transverse step-in for the angle. And the individual height respectively and you can draw each pair of stanchions /stiffeners from that.


Depends how exact you want to be. I try and make everything as easy as possible. Cereal packet cardboard as templates, bla bla, usual.  It might sound more complicated than it is.


... I thought the cut-outs were often referred to as rat-holes but maybe not always (slightly different reason).


Have a look at the chap making the Smit tug for inspiration. Can't remember the location of the thread. Different prototype, same principle. He's doing. A very neat job. TID lines should be a bit easier to follow.
Title: Re: Adding Bulwarks?
Post by: Netleyned on September 02, 2019, 05:30:29 PM
. I thought the cut-outs were often referred to as rat-holes but maybe not always (slightly different reason).


Limber holes
Ned
Title: Re: Adding Bulwarks?
Post by: tizdaz on September 03, 2019, 06:44:01 AM
hi guys
cheers for info, as Dave says, each one is slightly different in size so i think im just going to have to bite the bullet & just do one at a time by measuring each one. I guess I could use the first one as a rough template for the rest, I think this is going to be the area where it will take alot of patience & time to get them all done!

My TID is scratch built & The plans im working off are 1/24 but & my build is 1/12, but they dont actually show the full dimensions of each, only where they are positioned.
Thanks again guys :)
Title: Re: Adding Bulwarks?
Post by: Klunk on September 03, 2019, 10:00:19 AM
use card as a base template