Model Boat Mayhem
Mess Deck: General Section => Chit-Chat => Topic started by: Sparrow on December 19, 2019, 06:25:31 pm
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Please can someone tell me which is which as both are called the same name or is it the same boat modified over the years . Thanks peter.
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Very different boats and I'm sure Dave Milbourn will be on to emphasise this.
The Huntsman is the speed merchant, the Swordsman is somewhat larger and beamier. I have/am building the SLEC kits. My Huntsman was reviewed in Model Boats magazine and I am currently putting the finishing touches to the Swordsman.
If you Google Fairey Huntsman and Fairey Swordsman you can se that the two boats come from the same stable but are signifiantly different. As is their stablemate the Fairey Huntress.
Colin
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See this can of worms? Do you have a can opener? %)
They are basically the same hull, although both were built in different sizes (Huntsman 28, 31, Swordsman 33, 42 - and the Super Swordsman) and both had differing cabin configurations, some with a rear cabin and some without. To the untrained eye it can be difficult to tell the difference, but there are some well trained eyes on Mayhem who might be able to clarify the situation. I hope!
Good luck
Greg
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The big difference is that the Swordsman is a lot wider than the Huntsman and the two kits reflect this.
All three at Mayhem this year, Swordsman, Huntress and Huntsman
Colin
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They are basically the same hull, although both were built in different sizes (Huntsman 28, 31, Swordsman 33, 42 - and the Super Swordsman)
I'm afraid it's nothing as simple as that, Greg. Huntress was a singe-engined 23' hull and the Huntsman 28 essentially a stretched version with twin engines and a deeper freeboard. Both had moulded Agba hulls. Huntsman 31 shares only its name with the 28, being a completely new 31' design incorporating a deeply-flared bow for improved sea-keeping and the option of a 2 berth aft cabin. Swordsman was 33' and would accommodate 6 people, but its huge beam made it a bit interesting in handling! Owners refer to it as The Floating Country Cottage.
My personal favourite - certainly for its handling - is the Huntress.
There is much more information about the full-size boats here https://faireyownersclub.co.uk/ (https://faireyownersclub.co.uk/)
PM me for any info you need about the kits.
DaveM
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Dave to the rescue! Take heed!
Colin
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And here is the Fairey Huntress in RN configuration on show ar Portsmouth Dockyard.
Colin
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Always had a love for these beautiful boats, I’ve never built one (yet :} ) but have one by J Class Hulls in storage for future projects. It may have to jump to queue!
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Thanks everyone for help with the difference between Huntsman and Swordsman as I will decide which one to build I have seen plans available for the two above but not for the Huntress I assume they can be bought from someone if I decide on one thanks again Peter.
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https://www.sarikhobbies.com/product/fairey-huntress-23-2/ (https://www.sarikhobbies.com/product/fairey-huntress-23-2/)
There will also be a 1/8 scale kit out early next year.
DaveM
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Hi Guys
What about the Spearfish ?????
Canabus
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Thanks to DaveM for the clarification. :-)) :-)) The 1/8 Huntress might have to join my list of future projects!
Greg
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Just to whet your appetite, here is the Huntress prototype seen at Warwick.
Colin
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Hi Guys
What about the Spearfish ?????
Canabus
All in good time, Harrikin! 8)
DM
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Thanks Colin may wait till it arrive have birthday early next year wife think I have enough models I love making them but have not taken them to the water but plan to when weather get warmer. Peter.
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Thanks Martin. Glad you could sort out my email problems I seam to get would rather phone and talk to people than use computer, Will now get them printed so I can make a start. Thanks again Peter.
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Thanks Martin. Glad you could sort out my email problems I seam to get would rather phone and talk to people than use computer, Will now get them printed so I can make a start. Thanks again Peter.
Can I assume from this that you received the PDF copies of the plans which I sent to you this morning?
DM
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Yes Dave had them blown up been to Slec and bought ply last week so all started frames cut and now fitting keel on frames so all going well thanks again, not logged on for a while so missed your last request sorry. Thanks again Peter.
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And here is the Fairey Huntress in RN configuration on show ar Portsmouth Dockyard.
Colin
Interesting... I take it these were used for 'utility' duties and crew transfer in the RN?
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Hi Lads
Pickup this Wooden hull Huntsman/Swordsman ex IC motor.
30 and 3/4 x 9 and 1/2 with good bones.
A repaint on the outside and a brushless 38mm.
I think it maybe Veron kit, but please let me know ???
I have repaired the hull dents and removed the IC holes.
Repainted the bottom of the hull in dark blue.
The sides will be white with a red water line trim.
The deck only require a vanish.
Canabus
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I think it maybe Veron kit, but please let me know ???
The Veron kit was 42" long and of a Huntsman 28, and this clearly is neither. At first I'd have said this was the Precedent 1/11 scale Huntsman 31 model, but the internal construction isn't the same as that kit. I'd guess that someome has borrowed a kit plan and made his own version, using thicker ply for the frames and omitting the long internal "sides". The line of the windscreen on the cabin top is horribly wrong - the proper screen is curved.
DaveM
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Hi Dave
The omitted internal sides is maybe so they could get the exhaust pipe in.
Totally agree about the windscreen.
If it was a copy off a kit plan they had done a dam good job of it.
Bit of a mystery one!!!
Looks like a roof removal to add some combings , as salt water and electrics do not mix.
Canabus
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Re the windscreen, I would guess that a V shaped one was a lot easier than trying to make a template for the curved one.
Colin
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Interesting... I take it these were used for 'utility' duties and crew transfer in the RN?
No. they were used as Captain's transport on larger warships:
https://www.pnbpropertytrust.org/historic-boats/boatdetails/sultan-fairey-huntress/72/
Colin
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Hi Colin
The windscreen will be a challenge and also cutting it to sit on !!!!!
I found once to tape the sandpaper upside down on the roof and sand the screen to fit.
Canabus
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This flagged up on my FaceacheBook today in the memories section? or whatever it is they call it,
I thought it might be of interest to the Fairey 31 modelling brigade -
Footage of my pal Mike Beesley's big timber Huntsman 31 blasting through the waves on a windy rough day at Fleetwood.
HP61 glow powered and unlike the full size handles the chop quite nicely -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPpZ-nsLTWc&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR04hPSdUEhI8knXXgXASM4vC1gXSXFQWWJSlQXtzi6t5bT-TmjYafMWnOo
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By 'eck! That takes me back to the very first 46" 'Modav' Huntsman 31 with HP61F R/C at Danson Park in 1972. Was that nearly 50 years ago? Wonderful stuff - many thanks.
DaveM
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It Is such a shame that we are now very limited in where we can use our IC powered boats..... languishing at the back of the hut just waiting to see the light of day again......
I do not know where they can be used in my locallity..... I would like to be able to use them before heading to big boat yard in sky.... One can but hope.
David I can still smell the burning Methanol and Cartrol M .....
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Hi Dave,
Yes that's exactly what it is, one of your original Modav all wood kits and donkeys years old !
but one of the best handling rough water hulls I've seen in action - in spite of the crazy steep prop shaft angle !!
Mikes model has travelled from Up Noarth and completely rebuilt to a very high standard by my KLMBC pal Tony Bollard -
he of huge 1/5 scale, twin Honda engined Huntsman fame - and now resides at East Leake.
Paul
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Paul
The shaft angle on the real boat is 15 degrees! It doesn't seem to make much of a difference, though - as your video clearly demonstrates. Even on the most recent Huntsman 31, which I designed at 1/16 scale, I could only get that down to 12 degrees. My take is that if it was good enough for Alan V Burnard then it's fine with me!
DM
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Just done a swift trig calculation. The reduction in thrust through a 15 degree shaft angle c/w one parallel to the keel is just 3.5%. Not a big deal, is it?
DM
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Hi Dave,
Yes with you and Mr B re. thrust calculation it's not going to make a lot of difference - fitting the wrong prop could be a lot worse !
We did find on the revamped big 31, flattening the shaft angle helped/stopped any porpoising running on flat water,
remember the dreaded Ali trim tabs guys bolted to their transoms in the 80's/90's?
Interesting 'Fairey story' I would love to get to the bottom of -
chatting to a gentleman watching the club stands offshore racing videos from the 60's with the Fordspeed team at Warwick.
He reminisced about his parents owning a grand house up a river off the Solent, who were friends of the Twiss family,
and Peter Twiss taking him out for rides on a gas turbine powered Huntsman 28 !
He had vivid memories of the boat being silent when it approached and a loud whistle/roar when passed by.
Not managed to find anything re a Fairey gas turbine cruiser, aircraft is of course another story, you can imagine how it might of happened -
the worlds fastest pilot/driver/cabin cruiser salesman, one or two spare gas turbines taking up space in the factory stores ???
the mind boggles.