The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Working Vessels => Topic started by: Martin (Admin) on March 01, 2020, 09:03:41 pm
Title: Card TID Tug
Post by: Martin (Admin) on March 01, 2020, 09:03:41 pm
GPM Card TID Tug 1:50
https://www.super-hobby.com/products/TID-164.html
Title: Re: GPM TID Tug ( Card )
Post by: Martin (Admin) on March 22, 2020, 11:58:05 pm
Stuck at home all weekend, so I thought I'd have a go at at this card TID kit.
Good start.... followed by a grinding halt.... instructions are all in Polish!
After faffing about with OCR, Google Translate & Yandex for a couple of hours, I managed to translate them into ... Chinglish! The instructions are next to useless and don't tie up to the diagrams and there seems to be huge chunks missing or the instructions & diagrams are done by two different people entirely!
Anyway, a couple of bottles of superglue and a few hours later I got the hull frames glued together...
Title: Re: GPM TID Tug ( Card )
Post by: Howard on March 23, 2020, 10:08:10 am
Hi Martin, looking good shame about scale being 1:50 as my SD14 is 1:70 or we could of got you to tow it mind mine will have a all up weight of about 140lb plus I think are you going to make it r/c. Regards Howard.
Title: Re: GPM TID Tug ( Card )
Post by: Martin (Admin) on March 23, 2020, 11:18:04 am
Yes, 1:50 scale.... it will still look 'in scale' next to your behemoth!
First Card model so static....
Title: Re: GPM TID Tug ( Card )
Post by: dougal99 on March 23, 2020, 11:59:50 am
I was a bit worried when I read 'after a couple of bottles' :police: Fortunately, it was only glue {-)
Title: Re: GPM TID Tug ( Card )
Post by: Martin (Admin) on March 23, 2020, 10:08:39 pm
Part too!
Title: Re: GPM TID Tug ( Card )
Post by: Howard on March 23, 2020, 10:52:56 pm
Awwwww Martin, That's Girly boat all the slots are already cut out for you that's Cheating lol but still enjoy. Regards Howard.
Title: Re: GPM TID Tug ( Card )
Post by: Martin (Admin) on March 24, 2020, 12:31:52 am
You wait until part 3! >>:-(
Title: Re: GPM TID Tug ( Card )
Post by: Martin (Admin) on March 24, 2020, 03:10:09 pm
You won't believe how unbelievably tedious and frustrating this is! ... nearly 400 snips to cut the4 bottom part out alone!!!!----- Aaaaaargh! %%
Title: Re: GPM TID Tug ( Card )
Post by: mrzippy on March 24, 2020, 06:23:01 pm
Nick Mrs Mayhem's pinking shears !
Title: Re: GPM TID Tug ( Card )
Post by: Howard on March 24, 2020, 06:37:55 pm
Hi Martin, now you know why the SD14 is not a weekend job I give up counting a long time ago the SD14 is nearly eight feet long well over 5,000 parts to cut out never mind all the slits some over 40 per peace. keep up the good work and the photo's am like others are watching. Regards Howard.
Title: Re: GPM TID Tug ( Card )
Post by: Martin (Admin) on March 24, 2020, 09:27:14 pm
Part 3 - More annoying than Lockdown!
Title: Re: Card TID Tug
Post by: nemesis on March 24, 2020, 10:12:26 pm
that is modelling, Martin. Boring at times, but we all LOVE it really. Keep Well nemesis
Title: Re: Card TID Tug
Post by: tsenecal on March 25, 2020, 01:23:44 am
Martin, you need to invest in a pair of pinking shears
Title: Re: Card TID Tug
Post by: Martin (Admin) on March 25, 2020, 05:33:43 pm
OK, lost again!
It seems there are two layers for the hull 'plating', an inner / under layer ( Light grey on the hull frame ) and an over / out layer that's colour / 'paint' layer. ( dark pieces at he top ) ... does that sound about right for a card / paper model?
Also, what is all the 'pinking' for?
The instructions translate as: See also Hatch aft cz.1m + n. Keel plating cz.3 top up cz. 3a, similarly, the sides of the cz.4L and P, 4AL - P and 4bli P. We glue them to the skeleton, then stick them to the cz. 5P and L, merged with cz.5aL and 5aP [Figure 4]. Mount a stand under model, with cz.60 and 60A [Figure 2]. We can install as two separate elements: cz. 6L and P + 6AL and P. 6bl and P + 6cl and P. Po they are connected to the hull by straps of cz.6d L and P + 6eL and P.
Title: Re: Card TID Tug
Post by: Tug Fanatic on March 25, 2020, 07:00:21 pm
Is the "pinking" on a bend/join line & effectively glue tabs?
Title: Re: Card TID Tug
Post by: Howard on March 25, 2020, 07:40:12 pm
Looks like a line of fold over tabs to glue another to as to glue the side pace to the bottom but looks like if you was careful you could use pinking scissors' Regards Howard.
Title: Re: Card TID Tug
Post by: Martin (Admin) on March 28, 2020, 05:55:04 pm
OK 'bit the bullet' today and decided to affix the hull plates, nothing fix or I'm doing something wrong..... OK, agreed, probably the latter.
Stuck myself to the model count: Today = 4 Total = 9
Title: Re: Card TID Tug
Post by: Howard on March 28, 2020, 06:37:24 pm
Hi Martin, So pleased to see others enjoying card ship modelling but makes you think plastic, wood or ply isn't as bad as we seam to think. still am still enjoying my SD14 will be even better when I get to sail it. Regards Howard.
Title: Re: Card TID Tug
Post by: Martin (Admin) on March 29, 2020, 12:43:42 am
Video:
Title: Re: Card TID Tug
Post by: Martin (Admin) on March 29, 2020, 05:19:45 pm
It's amazing how confident you can feel ..... when you don't have a clue! {-)
Title: Re: Card TID Tug
Post by: Martin (Admin) on March 29, 2020, 07:04:38 pm
Trying to work out what goes where with the Hull plates.
Stuck myself to the model again count: Today = 6 Total = 15
Title: Re: Card TID Tug
Post by: SteamboatPhil on March 29, 2020, 07:06:17 pm
Oh I so reconise the super glue activator.........do you need more (and cyno ) as I still have a very large stock......of course I am in lockdown in France..but after we get our freedom back..... :}
Title: Re: Card TID Tug
Post by: Martin (Admin) on March 29, 2020, 07:12:04 pm
Hey Phil!
Yes please, the superglue and activator are really good stuff! :-))
Title: Re: Card TID Tug
Post by: SteamboatPhil on March 29, 2020, 07:28:59 pm
Leave it with me.... :-))
Title: Re: Card TID Tug
Post by: Martin (Admin) on March 30, 2020, 10:48:37 am
The bottom plate doesn't sit flat... would it be OK to put a slits down the middle and glue it down?
Title: Re: Card TID Tug - Part 5
Post by: Martin (Admin) on March 30, 2020, 04:54:35 pm
Sole plate has pronounced 'bow' in it after my last efforts, Lets try and fix that ......... this isn't going to be pretty!
'Stuck myself to the model again' count: Today = 4 Total = 19
Title: Re: Card TID Tug
Post by: Howard on March 30, 2020, 05:02:11 pm
Looking good Martin, get it finished then do another three then maybe you cant tow my sd14. Regards Howard
Title: Re: Card TID Tug
Post by: Martin (Admin) on March 30, 2020, 06:58:07 pm
Yeah! {-)
Title: Re: Card TID Tug
Post by: Martin (Admin) on March 31, 2020, 05:24:19 pm
Second / outer layer of hull plating.
Stuck myself to the model count: Today = 3 Total = 22
Title: Re: Card TID Tug
Post by: SteamboatPhil on March 31, 2020, 06:39:10 pm
I warned you the glue was good spent, 20 mins stuck to my granddaughters playmobil gallon (I was just trying to improve it ).....panic not dear readers all family isolated together :-)
Title: Re: Card TID Tug
Post by: Martin (Admin) on March 31, 2020, 07:09:24 pm
Oh I so reconise the super glue activator.........do you need more (and cyno ) as I still have a very large stock......of course I am in lockdown in France..but after we get our freedom back..... :}
Looking for something else ( the way I always find things I'm not looking for! ), I've found 2 more bottles, so I'm good for now Phil! :-))
Love to Steff & family. :kiss:
Title: Re: Card TID Tug
Post by: Howard on March 31, 2020, 07:18:10 pm
Hi Martin, Delux materials Roket Card Glue is what you need what am using on that big ship your going to tow. Regards Howard.
Title: Re: Card TID Tug
Post by: Martin (Admin) on March 31, 2020, 08:10:24 pm
Now he tells me! <*<
Let me check to see if they're open through the 'duration'!
Title: Re: Card TID Tug
Post by: coch y bonddu on March 31, 2020, 08:50:10 pm
I warned you the glue was good spent, 20 mins stuck to my granddaughters playmobil gallon (I was just trying to improve it ).....panic not dear readers all family isolated together :-)
YOU are a danger to yourself remember that fateful day i telephoned YOU ad YOU stuck the telephone to you HAND
check your messages
Dave
Title: Re: Card TID Tug
Post by: RST on March 31, 2020, 09:51:52 pm
Make sure you have a bottle of nail varnish remover handy when you're working with CA a lot, just in case (just make sure it contains acetone). In any case, warm water and not panicking helps otherwise if things you don't want on your own apendages get stuck.
I've started to use micro tip applicators with thin CA. They're cheap enough for a pack. It helps place a dot much, much better. Luckily they all seem to have standardised on CA bottle tip size because the applicators seem to fit all the bottles I have from all sorts of places so far.
Keep with the build, it's intersting to watch.
Cheers,
Rich
Title: Re: Card TID Tug
Post by: Martin (Admin) on March 31, 2020, 10:26:41 pm
Title: Re: Card TID Tug
Post by: RST on March 31, 2020, 10:31:06 pm
Quote
Quote from: Howard on Today at 07:18:10 PM
Hi Martin, Delux materials Roket Card Glue is what you need what am using on that big ship your going to tow. Regards Howard.
NB: Is this stuff any good for card / paper models?
The model railway guys like this stuff for card buildings -I have a tub somewhere, it doesn't seem much different from PVA to me. Roket Card Glue from Deluxe is a bit different -it's a bit like CA and sticks really quick. Bit strange stuff.
Title: Re: Card TID Tug
Post by: Howard on March 31, 2020, 11:12:01 pm
Martin Honest you'll be very pleased with the Roket glue the bottle go's a very long way it's the best stuff I have found. Regards Howard.
Title: Re: Card TID Tug
Post by: Martin (Admin) on April 01, 2020, 02:38:33 am
On order from Amazon - £8.50 :o :o :o
Title: Re: Card TID Tug
Post by: coch y bonddu on April 01, 2020, 10:02:16 am
Title: Re: Card TID Tug
Post by: Howard on April 01, 2020, 10:20:50 am
Sorry Martin Dave's Right under £7 on flea bay not cheap by some other makes/kinds but I think its the best. I do hope your still enjoying. Regards Howard.
Title: Re: Card TID Tug
Post by: Taranis on April 01, 2020, 10:32:53 am
Title: Re: Card TID Tug
Post by: Martin (Admin) on April 01, 2020, 10:49:32 am
Beat me to it Tranis! ok2 Plus I use Amazon 'prime', no quibble guarantee.
Title: Re: Card TID Tug
Post by: Taranis on April 01, 2020, 10:51:49 am
I always check total bottom line. I'm also an Amazon prime member but that glue is not on prime and free delivery to anyone. The Proxxon 250 Lathe is hundreds of pounds cheaper than anywhere else O0 but I can't afford it <:(
Title: Re: Card TID Tug
Post by: mrzippy on April 01, 2020, 12:00:30 pm
Hi Martin, Any old PVA or Aliphatic 'white glue' kicking around that's going thick? will be similar to above, or leave the bottle top off a while to thicken it - white glue will allow time to position parts and none of the white staining soaking through the card, that can happen with cyno.
Finger pressure will transmit heat through card and part set white glue in moments, or because this is more akin to aeromodelling - get the pins out ! my recent revelation - good old BluTack for positioning, this has taken over from pins, clamps and jigs etc wonderful stuff.
Title: Re: Card TID Tug
Post by: Martin (Admin) on April 01, 2020, 12:53:10 pm
my recent revelation - good old BluTack for positioning, this has taken over from pins, clamps and jigs etc wonderful stuff.
... funnily enough, I've ordered some Neodymium magnets to help with the clamping!
Title: Re: Card TID Tug
Post by: mrzippy on April 01, 2020, 02:30:09 pm
...good, outside the box thinking Batman, they would work well, small flat lead weights can also be useful ! PVA poured in a dish and left while to evaporate and thicken should work a treat depending on how thick/absorbant your card is, its too 'wet'? straight out of the bottle. 50 years ago (pre cyno) it was the only glue available in the commercial art world for assembling mock up card packaging etc, then along came Spraymount and changed the game ! would like a £ for every can of that I've inhailed over the years !!
I'll be joining you on the card modeling front before long, the way things are going - had no idea of the wide range of model subjects available in card kits, stunning projects to build.