Model Boat Mayhem
Mess Deck: General Section => Chit-Chat => Topic started by: cdnfurball on April 03, 2020, 10:45:24 pm
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Alright, what are you folks paying for gas or diesel in your neck of the woods out there ???
Here in Toronto, Ontario Canada. .73 cents per liter and .86 cents per liter. A month ago, gas was $1.31/liter..
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Last I looked ASDA was £1.02 for unleaded and £1.08 for diesel, about 10% down in no time. Before the epidemic diesel was about £1.24 at supermarkets
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Around Houston, Texas gas is in the $1.50/gallon range. Some as low as $1.35. It was around $2.80 to $3.00 before coronavirus.
The crude oil price war being run by Russia and Saudi Arabia, along with very low gasoline demand from many, many people staying home is killing the oil industry. <:(
Before you celebrate that, there is a long way to go before solar, wind, and all the other "new" energy sources can begin to meet the demand.
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Over here the price went down to under $1 a litre but has now gone up to $1.30+ as service stations claim they cannot survive on the margins that they had before since they are not selling the volumes they were. We have only driven a few kilometres in the last month.
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Dont forget a US gallon is smaller than an imperial gallon. If they are selling in litres then obviously they're the same measure. :-))
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Mr President T said he had spoken to his Mate...."The Shiek from Scrubby Creek"....who had advised he had spoken to his "Mate from Puten" and they had agreed to stop this overproduction >>:-( of 100,000 barrels of Crude per day
Only problem was when an independent 3rd Party [person] asked the same persons [from the Middle East & Moscow] both denied any knowledge of discussions with Mr President T, and each so ramped up daily oil production which is the real cause of the drop on the floor price of petroleum products O0
Last week, about $1.10/litre for E10 at the moment in Sydney & $0.90 for E10 in Adelaide??.......[as Brian mentions a $0.30 rise per litre in the past few days
We sold off ~~50% of our domestic production some 20 years ago ....[lets hope the PETRONAS refinery in Malaysia dosn't hickup, or worse still that we have a Diplomatic spit with these Northern neighbours
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PS.....prior to the closure of our refinery capacity, it was a Government mandate that 40 days reserve was to be held here in Australia ....current estimates are approx 14 days........[the Government blames the Fuel Co's & naturally visa versa]
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I should re-phrase this.....back when......the Australian Government allowed the three major petroleum refinery Companies ................
1. Royal Dutch Shell
2. British Petroleum
3. Multi Named hidden behind the American Chevron Oil
..........to close individual refineries and become Importers of final product Petrol
So we do have approximately 50% of "light crude" as domestic supply, however from the murky path from the undersea production platforms [that are owned by those same three multinationals] to the end product is unknown :-X maybe they trade light crude for finished product lubrication oils that are produced for heavy crude
We sell on LNG to Japan [by the shipload] .........the cost of LNG in the Japanese domestic market is lower than we as Australian consumers pay >>:-(
We also sell out LNG to Korea [by the shipload] ....they filter it, lower the pressure and fill millions of little Green Cans which is exported by container ship back to Australia O0
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If you use E10 (10% ethanol) in Oz, fill up soon as the ethanol will be used for other products like hand sanitizer. %%
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Currently, my car is doing 3 weeks to the gallon!
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Me too, but make sure you keep the battery charged on a regular basis
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I am hoping that diesel doesn't go off with age.
We ordered central heating kerosene yesterday and due to a boom in demand they are quoting up to 4 weeks delivery! I got a good price which I hope that they will honour whatever happens to oil prices in that time. I understand that they rose 50% yesterday after we put in our order.
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Diesel fuel should be OK for several months to a year. Lots of info online. It can also become contaminated by bacteria (the diesel bug) but that is more likely to happen to boats.
Colin
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hi tug try boiler juice i got 500 ltre for 164 pounds thursday
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hi tug try boiler juice i got 500 ltre for 164 pounds thursday
Prices vary by area & Boiler Juice were very nearly the same as my order and they are quoting the same "by 28th April Delivery". Makes me wonder if it is coming from the same place!
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It's interesting to hear the comments of one thing we are all dealing with during this time.
Stay safe and drink up.
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Ok so 1 gallon is equal to 3.7854 Liters.
Duane
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Ok so 1 gallon is equal to 3.7854 Liters.
Duane
That's correct for one US gallon. One imperial gallon equals 4.546 litres.
Peter.
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Didn't need to buy as CLS is still 3/4 full but diesel £1.09, petrol £1.08 today, gas unknown -dont't really see gas at any stations -the fad passed for gas a good while back and wasn't available many places. Diesel was about £1.29 last time I fueled up about a month ago.
This situation is not good for me at all as I work in O&G! Good for the consumer, not for me in terms of employment!
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I'm electric for heating and hot water and absolutely can't stand it!!!!! Gas is the way forwrad and fully controllable, combi boiler etc. Electric heating as I am on should be made outright illegal.
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All right for some. {:-{
Try bottled gas. We changed from that to reverse cycle air conditioning and reduced our heating bill by 2/3 :P
We had solar put in recently and that reduced it even further. :-))
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74 cents in Southern Manitoba last time I filled up... I was a teenager the last time it was 74 cents anywhere! Good news for my truck. {-)
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So if I convert our gas price here in Florida, USA of $1.73 per gallon it would be 45.8 cents per litre.
Duane
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<:( <:( <:(
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So if I convert our gas price here in Florida, USA of $1.73 per gallon it would be 45.8 cents per litre.
Duane
I haven't seen a price like that here for decades.
Peter.
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I use to pump gas as a part time job back in high school. Canada was just converting to Metric. It was .54 cents a liter and most people thought is was cheap. But what the majority didn't know that at the same time, the gas companies had slipped an increase. We had figured a conversion at the old price should have been .50 / liter... sneaky fellows
This was back in the year nineteen hundred and seventy nine... damn I'm getting old...
It's time for another therapy appointment with Dr. Daniels.
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Just filled up with E10 = 87.9 cents/litre .....best buy in the Wollongong area.....100m down the road U91 = 113.9 cents/litre
E10 = 90% unleaded raw fraction + 10% ethanol and has a RON of 94
U91 = 100% unleaded raw fraction and has a RON of 91
>>:-( so that's $0.26/litre more expensive {-) for a fuel with a lower RON [octane + anti knock brew]
Derek
[When ethanol was first introduced as an Australian fuel alternative, the big Oil Companies suggested that using 10% ethanol based fuel would destroy the fuel injection systems........ the manufacturers of vehicles in the Global Market [GM, Ford + Japanese] confirmed vehicles with identical fuel systems were preforming perfectly O0 on 80% ethanol in South American Countries]
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Apparently it was also done widespread when the UK converted to metric in 1971, they would round up the ½ pence even though the conversion was for less i.e the conversion was somewhere between say 12p and 12½p they rounded up to 13p, sneaky yep.
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I saw in the papers yesterday that UK petrol prices are heading down towards £1/litre and in some places are even lower. Ironic that this should happen when hardly anyone can go out and drive anywhere... :D
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Greta is probably having a giddy fit with the airlines also grounded as well {-)
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Greta is probably having a giddy fit with the airlines also grounded as well {-)
How could you tell? I've never seen such a grumpy-looking child, and that laser-beam glare she gave Trump was a stone-cold killer! Shame it didn't work....
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She may also be noticing the collateral effects of the policies she has been advocating.
Colin
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Gives a new meaning to the ''Greta Good''
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The BP station at Brize Norton is the cheapest I’ve seen petrol and diesel since I started driving!
Petrol- £1.05 per litre
Diesel-£1.11 per litre
I never thought I’d see it this cheap again!
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I can clearly remember arriving home one evening in 1967, in my 875.cc Hillman Imp, and being appalled that petrol had just gone up above 5 shillings per GALLON!
I have no idea what that is in todays prices, far too much maths at this time.
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5 shillings = 25p !!!!
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5 shillings = 25p !!!!
And that's per gallon, so for a litre it'd be 25p/4.546 = 5.49 p/litre!!!!!!!!
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ahah....the Hilman Imp...875cc of magnificence ...... %) ....not much room in the boot for luggage :embarrassed: .....where was the petrol tank?......and where was the fuel filler?
Was it true, that you needed to fully open the rear window to enable the boot lid to be fully opened? {-)
Never released in OZ was the Hillman Esky Estate version.........looked like a small Hearse but not much room in the back for a coffin, as some dingbat put the engine there
Derek
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Wonderful little motors, the Imp and its variants, I've had six of them at various times, including a Husky, which was the last one. Most of them had tuned engines, and the Husky ended up with a 990 cc version, it was lots easier to work on than that the standard car, just lift out the boot floor. :-))
My first Imp had a Rallye Imp fuel tank (in the front of course) and it was a 10 gall tank which filled the original boot space totally!
I worked for the firm that made Imp body shells, Pressed Steel, and we did all the testing for them, including a rig to test those cursed rear window locks. I hate to think how many of them I've fitted and re-fitted in my life. {:-{
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1976 Austin Mini 998cc. Installed a second fuel tank ( otherside to keep her balanced ) I could run for a few weeks once they had been filled up. Learned how to truly drive a car.... Keeping revs up, cutting apexs in corners. Might as well have left a brick on the gas pedal and just work the clutch and oh poop pedal.
Always wished for a 1275
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Gosh, I remember, I'm sure it used to cost 99p when I was young. 10 years ago I was paying £.1.65/litre co-inciding with a car only doing 22 to the gallon (Japanese and 2 turbos so cheap fuel only good for granny driving, would struggle to join a motorway safely) I've just been put on 3 or 4 day working weeks for next 2 months as France announces recession (my source of income). Not that price per bbl has much to do with pump prices but I'm gonna start panicking soon. Is see another 2014 coming for those of us in the industry.
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The current price of Texas oil is -$25 barrel. Yes, that's minus.
They should be paying us to fill up. :D
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Yesterday at one point is was -$40, can't see asda refunding my card at the pump
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The current price of Texas oil is -$25 barrel. Yes, that's minus.
They should be paying us to fill up. :D
That's OK, but where in Australia are you going to go with the cops stopping you and asking about your journey? https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/15/thousands-of-dollars-in-fines-have-been-issued-by-police-clearly-loving-the-freedom-to-penalise-pretty-much-anyone (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/15/thousands-of-dollars-in-fines-have-been-issued-by-police-clearly-loving-the-freedom-to-penalise-pretty-much-anyone)
I can still remember complaining to the pump attendant (remember those?) when the cost of petrol topped 50p/GALLON.
DaveM
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And that's per gallon, so for a litre it'd be 25p/4.546 = 5.49 p/litre!!!!!!!!
For some reason the Forum just didn't post my final calculation in the previous posting. >:-o
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Don't panic everybody. The price will soon get back up again when we are allowed out and actually need the stuff!!
John
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Guaranteed these folks will make their money back. Just how fast and will you feel them reaching into our pockets for the $$$$$$... >>:-( >:-o <:(
I figure our grand childern's grand childern will be paying for this.
Just a matter of time before the oil companies will own the battery plants too. Or maybe they do :-X
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That's OK, but where in Australia are you going to go with the cops stopping you and asking about your journey?.
DaveM
That's right Dave, and I don't have a problem with it. We have been very fortunate here because the federal and state governments acted quickly to reduce the risk of spreading the virus. One of the measures was to severely restrict travel. Queensland closed its border but strangely NSW didn't. This meant that, while we in NSW couldn't go to Queensland without a compelling reason (work, medical appointments etc) Queenslanders could still come to NSW. We live only and hour's drive from Queensland and have some of the best beaches in the world, so people from south east Queensland were flocking here, with the attendant risk of community transmission of the virus. NSW police decided that this would not be allowed, and warned anyone with a Qld number plate to go home or risk a A$1000 fine. Eventually it was decided that only essential travel would be allowed, shopping, medical etc, and only in your own area. Anyone disobeying the order was fined A$1000. The restrictions have worked, and our infection rate nationally has dropped dramatically from hundreds per day down to single digits. Some saw the measures as draconian, which they may be but, as I said, they have worked, and worked well so far.
Peter.
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Agree 100% with your comments Peter, & support the Commonwealth actions to date however I think the Singaporean model of the Corona-19 mobile telephone APP to track you is fraught with danger & non acceptance by our population
I was stopped buy our :police: at lunchtime yesterday....I was on each back road going North from Wollongong
The young Officer was not conducting breath testing but asked for the purpose of my travel......so thinking instead of telling a yarn about just been to my Doctor, I loosened the top button of my shirt & displayed the adhesive electrode disk still attached to the top of my chest..........then mentioned I had just been unplugged <*<
Young :police: female Senior Constable [2 x stripes] wished me well on my way home
Derek
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One advantage of having had chemo is that I no longer have to have my chest shaved before having the dots attached. :embarrassed:
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I see the BBC is complaining that NHS workers are having to pay 1.10 pound per litre. over here it's $0.95 which equates to under 50p. Someone should start a petition for the UK government to reduce the excise duty
>>:-( 59p.
Not that I have been allowed out to buy any for over a month. Must try and start the car if only to charge the battery.
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Well just thinking :o
'If Fuel Duty in the UK is included in the price you pay for petrol, diesel and other fuels used in vehicles or for heating. You also pay standard rate VAT at 20% on most fuel, or the reduced rate of 5% on domestic heating fuel'
So my question is if heating diesel has 15% less Fuel Duty [VAT], what is there to stop motorists filling their diesel vehicles from their own home heating oil tank?........then getting the heating oil tank refilled with diesel that carries 15% less duty [VAT]?
This is probably a good question for DaveM, as I think he spent a lifetime extracting <*< the last Penny from poor people...or something like that {-)
Derek
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Home heating fuel is I believe red desiel and is supplied with a red dye, if you are found with this in your car or truck fuel tank you are hit with a very hefty fine as it's illegal to use it in vehicles other than those used for agriculture or construction i.e. off road vehicles.
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This is probably a good question for DaveM, as I think he spent a lifetime extracting the last Penny from poor people...or something like that (https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/Smileys/Tug/grin.gif)
If you don't like the models I've designed or the electronic gizmos I've made, Derek, then there's nothing to say you have to buy them. 8)
As far as reducing the duty on road fuel goes, Brian, dream on. HMG will need every penny it can get after this debacle. As we know from recent history, this will undoubtedy come in the main from poor folk, as the rules say that only the rich are allowed to get richer. <:(
DM
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Red diesel/gas oil is different to home heating oil, which is normally kerosene of some type. A car will run on red diesel/gas oil, just don't try running it on kerosene! All my heating oil kerosene deliveries have been clear and not red dyed.
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No..no...please do not misunderstand me Dave.........I am the proud owner of many ACTion electronics ...all excellent...good value for $ and totally fit for purpose....on this MBM and other Forums I have recommended ACTion gizmos in glowing comment
I was hinting at your previous life as some sort of TAXman >>:-( for Her Majesties Treasures ..[or something]
So...... now that there is no need to pay for the rent, lodging & security for Harry & Megan........should that not save a few bob? :P
Derek
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1. does the red dye in heating oil diesel emit some sort of fluorescent exhaust to alert the :police: that the vehicle driven has contravened the rules?
2. how is this monitored/policed?
3. do you hear of many guilty drivers?........what is the punishment? ....beheading in the Tower of London? [or being deported to OZ {-) ]
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Better not let any of our pollies read this. Our excise is 42 cents per litre or about 21p. :embarrassed:
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Derek
The main way to check for red diesel is usually tank dipping, on RAF flying stations we are checked once in a while if you drive an old diesel car for AVTUR (or jet fuel) as these cars can run on it if mixed with normal diesel. The engine runs a little hotter but if you tried it with a modern diesel car it would burn out the injectors hence the checkers will only dip tanks on pre 2006 diesel cars! Surprising how many are still on the road in the UK and used by military personnel!
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Someone should start a petition for the UK government to reduce the excise duty
And a lot of good that would do. NOT.
We've been saying the Government has been overtaxing the driver for decades, but we're a cash cow as far as they're concerned.
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I found this article, although I have great difficulty believing that they have 49 RFTU's, unless 40+ of them operate inside the M25. https://www.twinfm.com/article/fuel-testing-to-catch-the-fraudsters (https://www.twinfm.com/article/fuel-testing-to-catch-the-fraudsters)
Derek - when you get the chance, Google the meaning of "irony". :kiss:
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A thing I was told about the red dye is that once in the tank, traces of the red hang around for ages, and testable traces remain after several refills.
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The UK Government announced plans in Sunak's budget to remove the lower taxation element of red diesel. This is, in part, to combat the sales of red diesel to non agricultural vehicle users and loss of money to the Exchequer.
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So let me get this correct.... Red dye for heating oil..... What colour is it the automotive diesel ? Over here, some folks are using restaurant waste deep fry oil.. I'm told that a few thousand dollars ( or less ) they can set up a small processs system and use it for their cars or trucks in warmer weather. The only thing is, your car smells like an order of fish and chips when it's running.....
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So let me get this correct.... Red dye for heating oil..... What colour is it the automotive diesel ? Over here, some folks are using restaurant waste deep fry oil.. I'm told that a few thousand dollars ( or less ) they can set up a small processs system and use it for their cars or trucks in warmer weather. The only thing is, your car smells like an order of fish and chips when it's running.....
...go for it! Just make sure your car is faster than the CRA cars are I guess. In most countries you can use non-taxable fuel, or fuel components -up to a point. But the whole subject of fuel duty is entirely mixed with politics and conspiracy theories and in my opinion should not be discussed on a modelling forum (much as I normally like free speech!!!!!!).
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What happened to the Rolls Royce engine that would run on any oil. Including butter?
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So let me get this correct.... Red dye for heating oil..... What colour is it the automotive diesel ? Over here, some folks are using restaurant waste deep fry oil.. I'm told that a few thousand dollars ( or less ) they can set up a small processs system and use it for their cars or trucks in warmer weather. The only thing is, your car smells like an order of fish and chips when it's running.....
Probably plain like ours, as we also have the red stuff for heating and blue stuff for ag/industry (although I don't know how much it gets used in industry as they often have to fuel up a variety of things from one tank on the jobsite)
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What happened to the Rolls Royce engine that would run on any oil. Including butter?
To my knowledge, engines like that are low power, and high fuel consumption. There are many engines like this, some that burn a mix of oil sludge and water.
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a good friend that used to use veg oil in his diesel and had a processing unit told me that you are allowed to use up to 2500 litres a year with no additional tax, so every tankfull of diesel in my old volvo is thinned out with sunflower oil from asda, the big 5 litre bottles that have been as cheap as £3.75.
as for red diesel, most inshore boats use this but have to declare the proportion used for heating (usually a 60/40 mix) and pay tax accordingly. unfortunately there is some talk that marinas are going to be forced to stop selling red for propulsion, and that every boater will have to have their propulsion tanks specially cleaned to remove the dye, and that if they wish to use red for heating this will have to be from a separate tank. I can see the uproar when they find the cost of cleaning their tanks will come out of their own pockets.
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Most of us that work in the oil industry just watch you guys flapping about bbl prices and pump prices and why do we get scammed at the pumps as if it bears much comparison! Petrol and DERV in UK is pretty much government controlled and we are not worst prices. Brent crude goes up and down wildly -you have Government to complain to about what you get at the pump, not necessarily the oil producrs though granted, it's not quite that simple.
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A long standing good friend used the reclaimed cooking oil in his diesel car. It ran OK, but needed constant renewal of the bits of rubber tubing. He knew it needed renewing when he saw the veggysel dripping out underneath it. Probably cost more in lost oil, replacement rubber, and extra hand washing and aggravation than it was really worth. I gathered that was his opinion when he went back to using "proper" fuel.
I'm currently running a Citroen. It does demand the expensive stuff for its diet. Using Asda fuel caused a pollution prevention system warning light to come on after a couple of tankfuls. But that's a more modern car with lots of the modern electronic gubbins.
Long ago, the firm decided to stop using huge standby batteries and go for smaller ones with a diesel standby generator and automatic control box with a big enough tank to last a fortnight or so. Many buildings were also oil* heated. Being the spare hand on the staff, I spent a lot of time covering for other people. So it was that I went to one building, and about 11 or so a tanker rolled up with the intention of dropping off about 1200 gallons. He had, by habit, parked near the boiler room, I let him at it, signed his chitty, and away he went. Next morning my boss rang.
"Have you run it?" HE said, eagerly
"Run what?" Said I, puzzeledly
"Your new genny" said HE, worriedly.
So next morning the tanker came again, and the juice got put in the right tank. Both boiler and standby generator worked fine, it was the same stuff. For all I know, most of that original oil is still down there. It certainly never got more that routine test use since the early '70's.
*35 sec it I remember right.