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Title: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on April 14, 2020, 03:57:36 pm: Right then, the hull arrived this morning undamaged which is always nice, it needs a bit of sorting out around the top edge, but apart from that it's a beautiful hull, the kit it came with is actually more complete than I'd thought it would be, but having had a good look at it most of it will be binned the ply used is awful very loose grain and some parts are badly warped probably from years in storage, the parts are die cut probably with a worn out die, so I'll just use the ply parts for reference as I don't have a plan/drawing they weren't included with the GRP version, though I would have liked a plan as this is going to be almost semi scratch built, the bulkhead assembly came glued together and I've identified several issues with it, joints out of line etc. it's just not worth putting right so in the bin with that, I've ordered some decent ply for the bulkheads from SLEC.UK, I'll be building it in the traditional way rather than a drop in bulkhead assembly I think I can use the deck that came with it as it will be planked over, it also came with a Graupner 700 BB motor that I won't be using as I'll be fitting brushless motors, might come in handy if I ever build a half scale Bismarck %% I've removed the motor mount with no damage and have to repair the shaft slot already cut as I'll be fitting twin shafts, So first off to make a cradle.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: Capt Podge on April 14, 2020, 04:09:09 pm: Good to see you're making a start on this Joe, here begins another build log to follow :-))

Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: Mark T on April 14, 2020, 04:32:53 pm: Great to see you building boats again Joe - I'm looking forward to this one - Happy building :-))
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on April 14, 2020, 07:17:13 pm: Thanks guys, you know I'm still pondering over whether to fit one or two shafts, I've done a few measurements of where I'd fit two shafts fairly close together, seeing how these hulls bank in a turn and there is less than an inch between the prop blades, so I'm thinking is it really worth having two, any thoughts guys.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: ballastanksian on April 14, 2020, 07:36:41 pm: Whoop! Off to brew a cuppa and get some garibaldi out of the biscuit barrel :D

I always feel sad when stuff has to be thrown away, its just such a waste when, a better quality wood, and some more time spent on the arts provided would have made a different experience for you. The motor mount looked quite nice.

Good luck and already looking forward to the series Joe :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: Capt Podge on April 14, 2020, 07:53:07 pm: Hi ya Joe, my prop centres are 105mm apart. If we have the same hull then you should be okay?

Regards,
Ray.

Edit : 105mm is approx - can't turn my hull over at the moment for greater accuracy.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on April 15, 2020, 01:02:51 pm: Thanks for the info Ray, Yeah maybe I'm thinking of fitting them too close together over thinking the banking thing, the other consideration is a twin drive setup is twice the cost, £70 just for the two Raboesch exposed shafts, <:( Plus two brushless motors, <:( <:( ho dear I need a lie down in a dark room %% .

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on April 15, 2020, 04:10:27 pm: After queuing for an hour at Asda for weekly shop, I made a start, repaired the slot in the hull, made a cradle, and faired in the top of the hull. it's not easy to buy non essentials these days so the cradle is bits I found in the garage it serves the purpose, Talking earlier about cost, I've been adding up the "shopping list" for the running gear etc. wow I can't believe how much stuff has gone up in the two years I've not been building boats, I suspect some of it is due to our present circumstances with increased demand,. SLEC.UK are saying they have unprecedented demand and delivery will be longer than usual though their prices are still reasonable
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: Shipmate60 on April 15, 2020, 04:26:51 pm: If it was me Joe, I prefer 2 shafts, it makes the hull more stable.
Glad to see you building boats again Joe.

Bob
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on April 15, 2020, 05:53:51 pm: Yeah I think your right Bob, and I do like to build a model as per original so hang the expense two it is, just got to decide on what brushless motors to use, not a subject I'm familiar with I've got a 1100KV outrunner in my Deva and it's fairly quick but she's quite a bit smaller than the Huntsman so if there's any brushless experts out there I'd be grateful for any ideas, I've ordered a 50amp brushless ESC with water cooling capability so I'll most likely fit water cooling I figured if it's not needed it can't hurt.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: SailorGreg on April 15, 2020, 07:06:39 pm: Hi Joe, if you are going for a pair of brushless, I think you will need 2 ESCs as well - I don't think you can run 2 brushless from a single ESC, although I await the expert who can correct me if I am wrong.

If you do go twin ESC, you can also invest in a P40e mixer (https://www.componentshop.co.uk/p40e-marine-motor-mixer.html) from Action Electronics, which will make the turning a little more spritely. (It's only money - you can't take it with you!) I confess I have never used one, but I do have one waiting in the Deans Marine box I have under the bed - MGB 77 kit, twin brushless - snap!

Watching your Huntsman wirth interest.

Greg
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: Capt Podge on April 15, 2020, 07:39:12 pm: I'll just sit in the background with regards to brushless motors. Sorry mate but I've no experience with them. I've always used brushed motors and probably always will.
Looking forward to seeing how you get on :-))

Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on April 15, 2020, 08:24:17 pm: Thanks for the info Greg I never really gave that a thought, Luckily it was only a second hand ESC .

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: Mark T on April 15, 2020, 09:17:15 pm: Lets be honest - twin props just look cool 8) And Raboecsh exposed shaft props look even cooler :-)) This is going to be good!!!
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on April 16, 2020, 01:28:10 pm: So I made a start, repaired the slot in the hull keel, made a cradle out of bits I found in the garage (as you can't go and buy non essential items) but it serves the purpose and faired in the top of the hull, also after much deliberation I've decided to scrap the brushless idea and stick to what I know a pair of good old brushed motors probably around 550 to 600 after all these models come from a time before brushless motors I seem to remember brushless being used in model aircraft in the late 1990s . One good thing is the 50 amp brushless ESC I've already bought won't be waisted, you can run brushed motors with them you just use two of the three wires.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: Capt Podge on April 16, 2020, 01:51:11 pm: Well, that cradle looks pretty strong and stable so we're off to a good start :-)

Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on April 17, 2020, 04:10:49 pm: While waiting for the running gear and plywood I started to make the pair of rudders I prefer to make my own the brass blade ones are ok but I think these are more scale looking, so laminated with epoxy and tidied up I'll leave over night to harden and then profile and finish them, I'm fitting mine as the full size boat near the transom which moves the props further aft as well, I'll be using 330mm shafts plus couplings so I think I should be able to place the motors just forward of the cockpit with out a plan it's a bit of educated guessing.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: Capt Podge on April 17, 2020, 04:32:49 pm: Nice work Joe, you've certainly got the knack when it comes to making rudders.
My motors are under the driver /passenger seats, (or will be when I get that far) so pretty much the same as yours will be. :-))

Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: ballastanksian on April 17, 2020, 04:35:43 pm: You'll sort it out mate :-))

It looks like you made a good start. I look forward to your updates :D
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: Mark T on April 17, 2020, 05:39:07 pm: Great start Joe and your not hanging around either!
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: ChrisF on April 17, 2020, 06:58:28 pm: Hi Joe - due to the thread title I didn't realise this was your Huntsman build and have only just looked in!

What's the relevance of Hunters Moon, is it to be the name of the boat?

I shall be following with interest now.

Chris
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on April 17, 2020, 07:45:16 pm: Hi Chris, Yes it's to be the name of the boat I was going to give it a name befitting our present circumstances like Lockdown or Corona but thought better of it and decided to name it after Hunter's Moon caravan site we used to visit quite often when we had our caravan and dog and has many happy memories.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: ChrisF on April 18, 2020, 11:21:26 am: Hi Joe - that's a great name for a Huntsman.

As regards twin prop shafts I suppose you are limited to some extent as it's better to exit the hull between the moulded in spray rails and hence why you are a bit close together with the props. What size props were you contemplating as obviously smaller ones would give more separation. All my Fairey builds (currently 4 in progress!) are single props though I think I'll go twin on a future build for a change and the fun of it.

As for the motor position mine have all ended up quite far forward towards the front of the cabin to keep the prop shaft angle low at around 11 degrees. I'm using those couplings with the rubber in the middle which are quite long which doesn't help. Like you I have the rudder nearer the transom.

I think for the 1:11and 1:8 Precedent Huntsman models the motor is shown towards the rear of the cabin so your educated guess is spot on. I'll get into my work room later (smallest bedroom) which is currently full of stuff from decorating other rooms and dig out the drawings and also have a look at my Spearfish kit which is the same hull design.

I'm looking forward to finishing the decorating so that I can make quicker progress on the builds.

Chris
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on April 18, 2020, 01:06:42 pm: Hi Chris, Yeah I've decided on the placement of the shafts, just outside of the bottom spray rails it makes them a tad over 80mm centers I'm virtually doing the build by photos of the real boat I've found on line, and the real boat looks similar positioning of the shafts/rudders, I've ordered a pair of 37.5mm plastic props contrarotating till I see how it performs ,I'm not looking for race boat speed just as long as she gets up on the plane, I'm using rubber bonded couplings also, I've used one in my Deva and it's very quiet running.

The decal paper has arrived at last so I'm off to do some testing. :-))

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on April 18, 2020, 04:37:24 pm: Made some test decals and yeah quite successful put one of my Huntsman's decals on the cap of the lacquer can and added some name decals to my DIVA I can see these coming in handy, now to get on with the rudders.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: ChrisF on April 18, 2020, 06:03:05 pm: Just the job Joe.

I managed to dig the H31 kit drawing out which is actually the Modav one, before it became Precedent. As you can see (hopefully!) the motor is about in the middle of the cabin which if the rudder is moved back would put it at the rear of the cabin.

Chris
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: Capt Podge on April 18, 2020, 06:17:26 pm: Ref the decals - well done Joe!
Did you use a standard ink-jet printer?

Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on April 18, 2020, 06:39:57 pm: Hi Chris looking at that drawing I'd say my running gear will be fitted around 50mm further aft so that should work out ok so thanks for that.

Hi Ray yes standard ink jet, not an expensive one either, they do add something to a model, I've used vinyl lettering till now but never really looked that good slight variations in the spacing etc. so thanks for the head up.
Joe :-))
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on April 19, 2020, 02:18:08 pm: Rudders now finished, now waiting for the all the gear on order from Cornwall MB, checked status last night ho dear waiting for parts form suppliers, I guess it's due to the increased business they are doing at this time it seems it's good for some businesses, Supermarkets must be raking it in, anyway my ply from Slec is coming to morrow so I can still potter about pre fitting the bulkheads I won't bond these in till I've fitted the running gear, I've dismantled the bulkhead assembly that came with the hull it was unusable as it was, so I can use the separate bulkheads as templates to make new ones, putting each one in place I've noticed just how much the hull has closed in at the top with the mid way one pushed in place it measures just on 270mm so that's about right, though I had to spread it a good half inch, it will have to be spread on all five bulkheads and faired in with the deck supports, most likely due to being stored for quite a number of years unsupported ho well it's all good fun.

Joe.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: ChrisF on April 19, 2020, 02:51:20 pm: Those rudders do look good with some shape to them rather than just flat brass.

I've ordered a prop shaft from Cornwall Model Boats and a motor from Overlander which hopefully will arrive tomorrow. Don't need them yet but getting together what I will need.

Chris
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: Capt Podge on April 19, 2020, 03:26:02 pm: Hi Joe, good to see you're progressing well.
I'll try and get an update on mine late evening or sometime tomorrow %)

Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on April 19, 2020, 03:34:02 pm: Yes come on Ray do keep up %) {-)

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on April 21, 2020, 03:55:57 pm: The new plywood came yesterday excellent quality and so much stronger that the stuff in the kit, you can snap that between you fingers with very little effort, so I have now made and dry fitted the new bulkheads, I've had to temporarily glue some spreaders athwartships to hold the hull to the correct beam measurement to aid fitting the bulkheads the deck edges will be faired in with the deck support strips, so now I'm waiting for the gear from Cornwall MB and their suppliers.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: Capt Podge on April 21, 2020, 04:03:31 pm: Nice work Joe, looks like it's going to be a strong hull by the time you get the subdeck on :-))

Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: Mark T on April 21, 2020, 05:14:17 pm: I have to agree its looking good - I've never built a boat like this. Do you have to fit stringers to the bulkheads or will the hull retain that shape?
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on April 21, 2020, 07:15:25 pm: Hi Mark, It's a very robust hull and once the bulkheads are bonded in to spread the top of the hull to correct beam a solid length of 1/4" square hardwood strip will be glued in place in the notches cut in the bulkheads around the top this will even out the hull between the bulkheads, making a very strong hull.

Joe.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: Mark T on April 22, 2020, 06:32:55 am: That makes sense thanks Joe - The bulkheads you have made look far more substantial than those supplied in the kit. A nice upgrade :-))
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: ChrisF on April 22, 2020, 11:29:46 am: Funnily enough though, there are more bulkheads than in the all timber version. I suppose there needs to be to maintain the correct shape of the hull. There isn't a keel though and crucially less timber in the bow which is good as these boats tend to be nose heavy.

Some builders like to build light but I think that a bit of weight in a boat means it sits better on the water and is less affected by ripples etc.

Chris
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on April 22, 2020, 02:09:34 pm: Well there's actually only four bulkheads and a partial one near the transom it may look more because of the temporary spreaders, I'm always surprised just how buoyant model hulls are whilst I'm always mindful of weight mostly above deck, I don't skimp on bulkheads because I know when finished it'll likely need lead ballast anyway.

Shipment from CMB is on it's way minus the Alphatic glue for some reason ( could it be people hoarding) >:-o ha well I don't need that yet.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: ChrisF on April 22, 2020, 02:22:25 pm: Oh right, I see. The prop shaft for the Huntsman arrived from CMB yesterday but I'm still waiting for the motor from Overlander. Must get some lightweight cloth though as I've run out.

Reading your thread makes me want to kit the Spearfish kit out but really I've got enough builds on the go at the moment! We'll see.

Chris
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on April 22, 2020, 03:13:07 pm: Hi Chris Having more than one boat in build at the same time is something I just can't do, I have to get my head round a build so I know what and how I'm going to tackle various things before I even get to them and see it though to the finish.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: Mark T on April 22, 2020, 05:31:48 pm: Quote from: radiojoe on April 22, 2020, 03:13:07 pm
Hi Chris Having more than one boat in build at the same time is something I just can't do, I have to get my head round a build so I know what and how I'm going to tackle various things before I even get to them and see it though to the finish.

Joe

Funny that I'm the same as you Joe I can only work on one build at a time it takes all of my concentration. If you do get stuck and cannot get any aliphatic resin let me know and I'll post you some somehow. I've got a big bottle and I'm not going to use it all before the shops open again :-))
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on April 22, 2020, 05:45:59 pm: Mark, thank you for your kind offer, I won't be needing the Aliphatic for some time it was mainly for the decking, but if I do get stuck ( no pun intended) %) I will certainly take you up on it. :-))

Joe.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on April 25, 2020, 04:07:01 pm: The running gear came today, so now the fun begins decisions to make and holes to drill, today I've preparing the motors and shafts for installation, as a plus I've done a quick positioning assessment of the power trains and it places the motors right in the forward cabin just where I wanted them. :-))

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: swiftdoc on April 25, 2020, 04:36:00 pm: Hi Joe,

Good to see you back on the track :-)) I will follow your build with great interest. What kind of couplings do you use, it looks like a flexible joint in the middle?

Keep up the good work, one can feel the enthusiasm you have when reading your blog.

Kindest regards

Arno
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on April 25, 2020, 06:07:12 pm: Hi Arno, yes the couplings are bonded rubber type I used one on my last Springer they are quiet running and easier to fit, though I like to use a home made aligning tool and then fit the couplings.

Take care. Joe.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: ChrisF on April 25, 2020, 06:10:54 pm: Quote from: radiojoe on April 22, 2020, 03:13:07 pm
Hi Chris Having more than one boat in build at the same time is something I just can't do, I have to get my head round a build so I know what and how I'm going to tackle various things before I even get to them and see it though to the finish.

Joe

I suppose part of it is that I used to be a project manager in the building industry so having multiple builds on the go is second nature. Having said that I failed miserably with the project management of my models as I got two to the painting stage last year but left it too late to paint outside and another stalled at the planking of the deck stage and as it was winter I just started another! Hopefully I can paint all four at once.

Seeing your double prop etc. set-up I've definitely got to have a go at that! Either in the aforementioned Spearfish or a Huntsman 31.

Chris
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on April 25, 2020, 06:34:23 pm: my old brain likes things simple these days so one at a time for me, although I am trying to finish some paint by numbers paintings I was given four as a birthday present last year and as it's my birthday next Tuesday I'm trying to get the last one done.

Yeah go for twin shafts I'm using Raboesch 330mm x 4mm exposed shafts and p-brackets pricey but they do look cool :-))

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on April 27, 2020, 04:02:39 pm: Shafts and P brackets now installed after a lot of thought I've fitted them just inboard of the bottom spray rail makes them 80mm centres, which looks similar to a photo of the full size boat, I've allowed enough room to fit up to 45mm props, just waiting on some brass tubing for the rudder tubes and to make up a longer aligning tool as the flexi couplings are longer than the last ones I fitted.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on April 27, 2020, 06:08:20 pm: Correction to above the shafts are fitted just outboard of the bottom spray rails.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: Mark T on April 27, 2020, 06:53:15 pm: I like the way you have boxed off the openings for the props - very tidy job O0
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on April 27, 2020, 08:26:06 pm: Cheers Mark, I've found this is a good way to keep the epoxy where it's needed.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: ChrisF on April 27, 2020, 09:05:40 pm: They certainly do look cool. I'm using the Raboesch Maintenance Free in all my builds.

Chris
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: ballastanksian on April 27, 2020, 09:12:21 pm: Great progress Joe! Tidy work as usual. I swear by the boxed in resin approach for stuffing tubes etc.

As for sticking to one project at a time; that ain't happening sadly <:( I have too short an attention span.

Re testing models, Joe makes his hulls so well that he takes them water-skiing before finishing them- Honest %)
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on April 28, 2020, 06:25:27 pm: Quote from: ballastanksian on April 27, 2020, 09:12:21 pm

Re testing models, Joe makes his hulls so well that he takes them water-skiing before finishing them- Honest %)

{-) %%
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on May 01, 2020, 04:57:34 pm: So I've been waiting for some brass tube a 4mm id.and a 3mm id. so I can make a new motor aligning tool and for the rudder tubes, like a numpty I've used imperial rod for the rudder stock without checking the size, so it was too tight for the 3mm tube my first thought was to drill it out ( well that wasn't actually my first thought ) >>:-( <:( >:-o but decided it would make the wall too thin but found the answer, drill out small bits and use as bearings and use the 4mm as the rudder tubes, as a plus it provides a good space for some grease.

Joe.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: Mark T on May 01, 2020, 05:12:17 pm: Not only is that a good save.......its actually a very good way of making rudder tubes and shafts. I bet they are water tight with the grease in Joe I think I might adopt that idea!
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: SailorGreg on May 01, 2020, 05:16:26 pm: Nice neat installation there Joe. And some good lateral thinking on the rudders. I keep meaning to sort my bits and pieces of tube and rod to save me from doing something similar. So far I haven't, but next time... %%
Greg
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on May 01, 2020, 06:15:31 pm: Thanks for support guys as they say "necessity is the mother of invention" but I think Mark is right I will also make rudder shafts like that in future.

Joe.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on May 06, 2020, 03:41:32 pm: A little more done yesterday, fitted the rudder tubes and bracing, made and fitted the motor beds but thought I would wait for the fast epoxy I have on order rather than bond them with 30 minute that I already have that I mostly use for deck bonding.
It might slow up for here I managed to jamb the little finger of my right hand in the car door this morning (don't ask) and split the end of it from side to side so my hand is a little compromised at the mo, {:-{

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: Capt Podge on May 06, 2020, 05:21:45 pm: Great work on your rudder installation Joe, really neat - sorry to hear about your pinkie, just as you were getting on well - hope it heals ok and doesn't hamper your progress too much.

Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: SailorGreg on May 06, 2020, 05:23:05 pm: Ouch! :(( At least there's no blood on the boat, it's a devil of a job to get out if it soaks into wood in a visible place. Take it easy Joe and keep the painkillers handy, no point in suffering. We can wait for the build to progress - we're not rushing off anywhere at the moment!

Greg
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on May 06, 2020, 05:52:24 pm: Thanks guys, The wife came out of Asda I got out the car to help load the shopping closed the car door and my little finger was still in it,
It was one of those things that you just cannot believe you just did,
:(( twenty years ago it would have been a bruise now my skin is like parchment paper it just tore. <:(

Joe.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: DaveM on May 06, 2020, 05:52:57 pm: Did that - at a Mayhem get-together! Not a bundle of laughs, unless your surname is Abbott.....
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: Taranis on May 06, 2020, 06:02:03 pm: Hope it heals soon <:( Lovely build to follow :-)
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: Mark T on May 06, 2020, 06:37:49 pm: Get better joe - nice job on the rudders :-))
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: derekwarner on May 07, 2020, 11:43:16 pm: Ouch Dave..... >>:-( ...in OZ we have an ex-Prime minister with a surname of Abbot & I am sure he has been called many such *&@#$! names >>:-(

Is that Mercurochrome or the other?.......hope it is healing OK....

Derek
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: Joe Beckett on May 10, 2020, 01:41:05 pm: Hi Joe,

Build going well I see! Tell me, where did you get the P brackets from please?

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on May 10, 2020, 02:09:45 pm: Hi Joe, I bought the Raboesch prop shafts with exposed shaft section the "brackets" come with them they have three legs you cut off the legs not required ie to make an A frame or a P bracket, here's a pic.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on May 11, 2020, 04:58:01 pm: Not a bad day today, managing to keep the finger clear I got a bit done, motor beds in and the rest of the bulkheads the edge of the hull is a bit wavy at the moment where I had to push the sides apart to correct the beam measurements once the hardwood deck bearers are fitted I should get a fair line along the edges.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: Capt Podge on May 11, 2020, 05:51:51 pm: Hi Joe, is part of the edge being pushed in by the front edge of the stand or is it a trick of the camera?

Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on May 11, 2020, 07:31:56 pm: Hi Ray, the stand ends at the chine and the hull is very rigid there, it's the thin wall between the bulkheads that's a bit wavy, I think the deck bearers will sort it out, the hull has been stored unsupported somewhere for forty odd years and needed to be spread apart to the correct beam, I think I'll fit the deck bearers next to stabilise the top edge of the hull.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: Capt Podge on May 11, 2020, 07:41:47 pm: Ah yes, I see what you mean now.
Good idea of yours with regards to the deck bearers which should make a big difference - good thinking :-))

Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on May 14, 2020, 04:43:37 pm: The deck bearers fitted now the top sides have a nice fair line though, also made the tiller arms and installed the rudders, next I have to decide the layout of the components and what battery to use, I'll most likely use a 5000 mah 3s lipo mainly because of the power to weight ratio.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on May 16, 2020, 02:41:48 pm: Rudder servo fitted and running gear all coupled up, I've marked an estimated water line copied from a photo and with a battery similar to the one I'll use I gave her the first float test which was quite pleasing as she sat in the water just above the water line, if any thing I'd say my initial water line could be a little higher so I've got some scope allowing for the cabins etc., waiting for some connectors and servo extension leads to finish the set up but of course couldn't wait to temporarily connect the motors and rc to try it out and even with a 2S lipo those twin 600s sure do roar, so with a 3S lipo I don't think getting up on the plane will be a problem but we shall see.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: Capt Podge on May 16, 2020, 02:53:36 pm: That's a really neat installation job Joe, you've come a long way in a couple of weeks.
Following as always...

Regards,
Ray.
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Post by: SailorGreg on May 16, 2020, 06:41:34 pm: Coming along nicely Joe, always neat and tidy. I hope the finger is healing nicely.

Greg
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: Mark T on May 16, 2020, 06:53:08 pm: Quote from: Capt Podge on May 16, 2020, 02:53:36 pm
That's a really neat installation job Joe, you've come a long way in a couple of weeks.
Following as always...

Regards,
Ray.

Yep and me - lovely job very neat and tidy which harder said than done 👍
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Post by: radiojoe on May 16, 2020, 07:24:22 pm: Thanks guys always appreciated, yes the finger is healing well Greg much quicker than I had thought seeing as virtually all the skin on the top of the finger had been torn and nearly peeled off, I just pushed it back in place and put several plasters round it, should probably have had stitches really but hospital is the last place I want to be at the moment, but it's knitted back together nicely. :-))

Joe
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Post by: radiojoe on May 18, 2020, 04:02:59 pm: While waiting for some bits to complete the running gear, I thought I might as well bond the deck down, as it doesn't restrict access, and it's not a favorite part of the build there is so many areas to spread the epoxy I always get the feeling it will start to set before I get all the clamps and tape in place even though I used 30 minute epoxy, I don't know why it's never happened yet, I also started to cut out the cabin parts after getting a rough idea of the shape from the unusable die cut ply parts that came with the hull, I use the word ply very loosely it's flakey and brittle how anyone would have been able to build a decent model from the load ***$$$** is just beyond me it would have put a novice builder right off that's for sure. well on to another non favorite job cutting out the windows in 1.5 mm birch ply.

Joe
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Post by: radiojoe on May 19, 2020, 04:44:27 pm: Made a start cutting out the windows it's hard going with a scalpel but is a lot neater than my scroll saw would do, had to rest my hand after one side, so I fitted the access upstands.

Joe
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Post by: ChrisF on May 19, 2020, 05:15:22 pm: Cracking on with it Joe, despite the injury, and looking good.

Chris
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Post by: Capt Podge on May 19, 2020, 10:15:39 pm: Looking good Joe, just wish I hadn't started mine now coz your methods are so much better.
Still, it is what it is... just finished laying the deck planking - what a mess!
I'll put a couple of photos up on my build log tomorrow :-))

Regards,
Ray.
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Post by: radiojoe on May 19, 2020, 10:56:57 pm: Thanks guys, Ray we may do things in different ways but there's nothing wrong with yours you've done a cracking job especially when you consider what you started with, my hull was a clean sheet so to speak.

Joe.
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Post by: Capt Podge on May 19, 2020, 11:08:31 pm: Thanks Joe, you're analysis is correct. Just feeling a bit naff today... I'll bounce back tomorrow after a visit to our allotment, which always seems to lift my spirits - talking of spirits, I'm off to crack a bottle of whisky open now O0 ;)

Regards,
Ray.
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Post by: radiojoe on May 22, 2020, 01:52:06 pm: Finished cutting out the windows and thought it was a good time to cut the "glazing" and pre fit to each window as snugly as I could the margin between for the glazing in the window frames is quite tight, after a lot of tidying I found the die cut frames were not that bad all the grain break out was no the waste side so that saved me some more cutting out so now the glazing has been packed and marked till after painting.
so now I've been making and preparing the components for the cabins structure, if I've marked everything right and glued the fillets in the right places it should assemble on the hull ok, we'll see, the last bits for the running gear came so was able to complete that and test it always nice to hear everything burst into life, so another dip in the tub and I dare not touch the throttle she would have leapt out the slopey end of the bath one things for sure I won't need a 3S lipo, the 4000 2S lipo used for the test was more than adequate.

Joe
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Post by: Capt Podge on May 22, 2020, 03:05:44 pm: Good job on them window frames, should look good as a finished article. :-))

Regards,
Ray.
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Post by: ChrisF on May 22, 2020, 03:14:38 pm: Hi Joe. You're certainly motoring on and it's looking very nice.

Once on the water you might have to revise your thoughts on the battery. I've got a Huntress 23 which is smaller and lighter and whilst it goes pretty well on a 2S it could do with a touch more speed now and then so I'm going to move up to a 3S. Depends on what revs you get out of the motors though for the voltage.

Chris
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Post by: radiojoe on May 22, 2020, 06:19:51 pm: You may be right Chris, A lake is a lot different to a bath tub what with wind and waves etc. but I got an idea that there was a lot of thrust even holding on to the hull I only chanced half throttle which turned the bath into a violent caldron, the 4000 2S lipo is being sited under the cockpit floor there will be room for a 3S if necessary.

Joe.
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Post by: radiojoe on May 23, 2020, 03:54:17 pm: After preparing all the cabin components it was time to assemble and glue in place and with a fair bit of satisfaction it all went together nicely, she's now looking like a Huntsman, the air scoops will be operational via a void formed by the cockpit sides thus allowing air into the hull, the two corner gussets in the forward cabin are partly for bracing plus under them will be the hold down magnets,

Joe
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Post by: radiojoe on May 25, 2020, 03:44:22 pm: I realized I had made the cockpit too deep based on a figure of approx 6" tall, which meant the cabin roof would be level with the figures chin, so judging from photos it seemed the roof would be at a mans chest so luckily I hadn't fitted the cockpit floor yet so I cut 20mm off the bottom and redid the floor bearers, also my cockpit is smaller than it should be I made a boob with the center bulkhead and positioned it 20mm too far aft, ho well I can live with that, now getting on with the cabins.

Joe
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Post by: radiojoe on May 26, 2020, 02:17:39 pm: Having finally decided to use a lipo battery I could make the battery housing, fits nicely under the cockpit floor I'm initially using a 2S lipo I already had but have made the housing able to take a 3S version of this popular Turnigy lipo, I've mounted the battery on edge if it were flat the orientation of the cables could foul the coupling and even on edge the battery is still below the water line so not too bothered about CG.

Joe
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Post by: radiojoe on May 27, 2020, 04:21:49 pm: Cabin roofs now on, had to do the forward one in two panels due to the compound curves and to finish the roofs off the cockpit wall capping's, so now waiting on some more wood from Slec for the deck and trimmings etc. so I made the helm wheel not my best effort to date but well from a distance should do.

Joe
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Post by: SailorGreg on May 27, 2020, 05:18:33 pm: You certainly have the bit between your teeth Joe. Careful, you'll be finished before we are allowed to go sail our boats. Then you'll have to start another one!

Greg
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: Capt Podge on May 27, 2020, 05:57:43 pm: Ref the saloon tops, same problem as I had, - different solution but end result looks okay to me. :-))

Regards,
Ray.
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Post by: radiojoe on May 29, 2020, 05:01:16 pm: just waiting on a delivery of the deck trims and another 1.5mm birch ply from Slec, I ran out of 1.5 ply so still have the cockpit floor to do, glad really because I would have glued it in place but had time to think it will be easier to spray paint inside the cockpit with the floor left out so I'll just fit it dry for now, so while waiting I started pottering with the cockpit furniture.

Joe
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Post by: radiojoe on May 30, 2020, 04:19:51 pm: I mounted the air scoops these were a vacform that was in the box with the hull, I wasn't going to use them but they are quite sturdy so I thought I would cut them out and see what they looked like, after a bit of trimming and sanding they weren't too bad and as the cabin sides will be white they shouldn't stand out too much, also started the mahogany deck trimming.

Joe
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Post by: Mark T on May 30, 2020, 04:28:25 pm: Lovely job Joe and I really like your ships wheel I think its turned out great. What wood are you going to use on the deck to complement the mahogany trimming? Are you going to use a lighter colour?
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Post by: DaveM on May 30, 2020, 04:57:35 pm: Joe
When I first saw the photo of the new SLEC kit for H31 @ 1/8 scale on their website I wondered if they'd used the scoop moulding from the 1/16 scale one by mistake. It's much too small. Check out the various Huntsman 31 photos on the Fairey Owners Club gallery before you decide to paint the model. Leaving it like that would surely spoil an otherwise excellent model. https://faireyownersclub.co.uk/default.asp?content=boats&type=huntsman31&photo=13 (https://faireyownersclub.co.uk/default.asp?content=boats&type=huntsman31&photo=13)
If you send me your regular E-Mail address by PM then I can send a copy of the original plan, showing the correct size scoop.
Dave M
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Post by: radiojoe on May 30, 2020, 06:03:46 pm: Hi Mark, I'm using Tanganyka strip wood for the planking or at least I'm going to attempt it, I chose that because it put me in mind of old teak so there will be a contrast between the deck and the mahogany capping.

Dave thanks for your input and of course you are absolutely right the scoop is not only too small it's also the wrong shape, as I said I wasn't going to use it, I just convinced myself it looked ok but it would have bugged the hell out of me, I originally thought I would try and make something that looked close to the later larger more rectangular air scoops which I actually prefer, so the small scoops are going and thanks again for the prompt.

Can anyone let me know the depth of the cockpit on the 1:11 version I'm still not convinced I've got it right the floor is still loose so I can easily alter it.

Joe

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: Capt Podge on May 30, 2020, 06:28:21 pm: Hi ya Joe, I just nipped out and measured the depth of the cockpit floor on my model - 4.5" - but I haven't got a clue what it should be :embarrassed:
The mahogany capping on yours looks like it's supposed to :-)) .
Also agree about the air intakes :-) .

Regards,
Ray.
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Post by: Mark T on May 30, 2020, 06:35:52 pm: Joe I had to google that wood as I've never heard of it before but it looks lovely. I think your end result could look very subtle and also very nice.
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Post by: radiojoe on May 30, 2020, 06:41:47 pm: Thanks for that Ray I've just popped up and measured mine 4 3/8" so that will do for me. :-))

Joe.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: DaveM on May 30, 2020, 06:58:40 pm: Joe
Revised 1/11 scale plan on its way. There were two very different shapes of airscoops used on H31, depending on the engines fitted. The elliptical ones were the earlier version e.g. "Johmad", which was the boat modelled in the original kit.
Dave M
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Post by: ChrisF on May 31, 2020, 12:02:27 pm: Hi Joe

Looking to be a really nice boat. Totally agree about the air intakes being too small. In those drawings I posted earlier in the thread the outer lines are of the size required.

Chris
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on May 31, 2020, 01:04:42 pm: Yeah the small air scoops are going and I'm going to attempt to make the later large rectangular air handlers, not sure how I'm going to do them yet but I'll have a bash.

Joe
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Post by: radiojoe on May 31, 2020, 04:55:57 pm: well it turned out to be a very satisfying afternoon, after a lot of head scratching I came up with a design for the air scoops based on a couple for photos, and I have to say I'm quite pleased with the result, they still pass air to the inside of the hull, there is a baffle in them that stops the air just passing though, the paper on the deck is a template for the sub decks I was working on before the air scoops but had to leave the deck while I was in air scoop mode {-)

Joe
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Post by: Taranis on May 31, 2020, 05:01:48 pm: Beautiful woodwork Joe :-)
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Post by: Capt Podge on May 31, 2020, 05:07:19 pm: Wow! Love the look of that one Joe, just the job (hmm, now where did I put my scrap plastic) good work and practical to boot :-))

Regards,
Ray.
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Post by: DaveM on May 31, 2020, 06:09:46 pm: 8) Dave M
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Post by: ChrisF on May 31, 2020, 08:59:31 pm: They certainly look the part Joe. First model I've seen with that style of air intake.

Chris
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Post by: radiojoe on June 02, 2020, 12:01:27 pm: I made the port air intake and finished them both to a smooth finish, I think I'll set these aside till the painting's done I've had a change of mind about the paint scheme and now it's going to be mid blue to under the water line and cabin sides and white to the cabin roofs and the air intakes I've seen a photo of this scheme and quite like it though that one had a blue transom I'll keep mine white.

so back to the decks, using the paper template I cut the sub decks out of .8mm birch ply and eventually got a reasonable fit to both sides as it turned out I'm glad I decided to do the decks this way it proved to be a lot easier to do the planking as you can clamp each plank in place and run thin cyarno under the plank it only took yesterday afternoon to do both sides, then today I gave them a scrape to remove the inevitable smudges of glue and then a rub down with 180grit and 600grit and quite pleased with them, now just need to glue them in place, I didn't worry too much about the deck calking I'd rather the joints weren't too obvious though they will stand out a bit more once sealed.

Joe
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Post by: ChrisF on June 02, 2020, 02:23:41 pm: And another first Joe, I've never seen deck planking done off the boat! Should look great.

Chris
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Post by: radiojoe on June 03, 2020, 11:05:10 am: Well the planking was a lot easier than I thought it was going to be partly because you are able to use clamps to hold the planks in place and because you don't have to fit the ends of the planks, just let them over run at the ends and trim off when the whole sub deck is done, the long tapered plank on the inside can also be allowed to over hang and trim when finished, next I glued the sub decks in place I used Aliphatic for this so I had to be quick but turned out ok, with the last layer of the deck in place I was able to fit the hold down magnets these work very well you can feel the cabin structure being pulled in place, I'm about ready to start the painting now but not sure if Halfords are fully open at the moment to go in and chose the colors and spray paints etc. when I went there about three weeks ago the shop only had a desk and till at the door and you told the guy what you wanted and he went and got it for you, not so good for choosing colors etc. I'll check tomorrow when we do our shop at Morrisons close by to Halfords.

Joe
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Post by: ChrisF on June 03, 2020, 11:45:13 am: I think you're being modest Joe! To do the planking off boat and to get it to fit as well as that is craftmanship. I agree about the caulking or lack of? I've been musing on and off about the best way to do it and I reckon at this scale that the narrower joints look right.

It is going to look lovely when painted and varnished.

Chris
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Post by: SailorGreg on June 03, 2020, 12:08:49 pm: Joe, Halfords do a click and collect scheme if you know the names of the colours you want. On the other hand, if you're like me and just stand there and go "Oh, that's nice, I'll have that one", I guess you need access to the paint rack. O0

Lovely job on the decks. Your pace of building puts me to shame!

Greg
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Post by: radiojoe on June 03, 2020, 06:03:15 pm: Thanks for your kind comments guys, yeah there are a lot of shades of blue so being able to choose would be best, if Halfords are still selling at their door I suppose I could ask the guy to bring me all the blue spray cans they have so I can chose %) but I think the response would be unprintable, {-) {-)

Joe.
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Post by: DaveM on June 03, 2020, 07:29:44 pm: Roof - Ford Olympic Blue OR Appliance Gloss White as per hull;
Hull - Appliance Gloss White;
Cabin sides - Fiat Capri Blue OR Ford Royal Blue. I can't tell the difference.
Hull below W/L - Satin Black
Works for me.

Dave M
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Post by: radiojoe on June 03, 2020, 10:54:36 pm: Cheers Dave, I had Appliance White in mind for the cabin roofs/cockpit it's what I used on my Diva, if Halfords are not fully open tomorrow I may well ask for the ford Royal Blue sounds like it will do nicely. :-))

Joe
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Post by: radiojoe on June 04, 2020, 03:26:53 pm: Halfords still just has a till at the door and there was a queue it looked like being a long winded affair so I decided to do it by click and collect when I got home that was easy enough and I got a text just over an hour later to pick up, now the trouble is they don't have a dedicated click and collect pick up so I had to join the queue anyway and at about 10 minutes per customer that was also a long winded affair still I've now got the paint for when it's needed, I've started coating the decks and going for gloss varnish on the Mahogany trims and capping's, I say varnish it's actually Birchwood Casey True Oil gun stock finish that I've used on several rifle stock refurbishing It's very hard wearing and gives a lovely finish I'll give it 5 coats and see how it looks, the planking will have a couple of coats of thinned matt varnish.

Joe
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Post by: DaveM on June 04, 2020, 03:54:04 pm: Looking good, my man.

I favour Rustin's Plastic Coating for varnishing wood decks. It's a 2-pack intended for furniture and sets up very hard indeed; it also sands and buffs up beautifully. I imagine the stuff you use will also be very hard and shiny, being made for gun stocks.

I too got stuck in the single 'Click-and-Collect + Everyone Else' queue at our local Halford's. It makes you wonder why they bother. However if you really enjoy being treated like you don't matter a tinker's cuss then try the well-known High Street pharmacy chain whose name starts with a B - I'm still seething! One day they might sort out their dreadful jobs-worth shop staff; a policy of one customer only at a time in the entire shop (3000sq ft), and a website that falls over at Checkout i.e. after you've waited three hours to place an order - but it will be without my custom.

BTW for anyone contemplating buying this kit, from today SLEC have a set of the correct size-and-shape scoop masters for vac forming so all future kits will have something that looks more like a pair of airscoops than two peas on a snare drum.

DaveM
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on June 04, 2020, 05:49:54 pm: Cheers Dave, Yeah trying times indeed to get stuff for modelling or anything for that matter, good to hear Slec have upgraded the air scoops, I'm so glad I didn't use the vac form ones.

Joe.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: DaveM on June 04, 2020, 07:20:58 pm: I forgot to say that the revised scoops are for the 1/8 scale (47") kit which is currently made and sold by SLEC. Joe's model is the 1/11 scale version which is no longer available.
DM
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Post by: radiojoe on June 04, 2020, 07:45:50 pm: That's right Dave mine is the 1970s Precedent 1:11 Huntsman 31 kit I bought for the Grp hull, just about all the rest of the contents was awful but what I paid for it was well worth it, the hull was actually very good.

Joe
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Post by: ChrisF on June 04, 2020, 10:57:12 pm: Hi Joe

As regards the planking, can I ask where you got the tanganyka from? Did you buy it in strips, and if so how thick? And did you steam it to shape?

Cheers, Chris
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Post by: DaveM on June 04, 2020, 11:00:51 pm: You'll have bought the Anglian Models version of the kit, produced after Balsacraft/Ripmax sold on the rights to them. They also bought the die-tools but hadn't much of a clue how to use them. In consequence the tools quickly became distorted and clogged up and the parts which they produced became less like they should have been. All very sad.
DaveM
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Post by: radiojoe on June 04, 2020, 11:09:38 pm: Hi Chris, it's from CMB look under strip woods in various sizes I used 6mm x .5mm no didn't steam or wet it. I chose it because I thought it looked similar to Teak.

Dave I don't doubt that everything apart from the hull was really bad quality it would never had made a decent model. {:-{

Joe
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Post by: ChrisF on June 04, 2020, 11:38:45 pm: Thanks Joe.

Chris
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Post by: radiojoe on June 05, 2020, 04:42:49 pm: So before I get too involved with the painting I thought I would fashion some handrails so they can be painted with the roof, I don't want them to stand out too much, the decks have now been sealed with thinned varnish , so now for the paint job.

Joe
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Post by: ChrisF on June 05, 2020, 07:04:39 pm: Hi Joe

Hope you don't mind all the questions! I'm putting together a list of what I need to plank the deck etc. What thickness of mahogany have you used, yours looks slightly thicker than the 0.5mm planking? I've found it in 0.5mm and 0.8mm but only 100mm wide which means that I would have to make the bow part in 3 pieces. Is this what you have done (can't see any joins!) or did you find some wider sheet?

Cheers, Chris
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Post by: radiojoe on June 05, 2020, 07:53:55 pm: Hi Chris no don't mind at all mate,, the mahogany was 100mm x 1.5mm x 900mm and 5mm x 1.5 mm x 900 mm, the sub deck was 0.8mm birch ply all from Slec and the planks Tanganyka 6mm x 0.5mm x 900mm from CMB, I couldn't find anything thinner than 1mm from Slec so got the planking from CMB, the Mahogany bow piece is done in two pieces there is a joint down the king plank,, the edge capping is cut to shape from the 100mm Mahogany not bent and the edge of the capping's is the 5mm x 1.5mm so the sub deck of 0.8mm and the planks of 0.5mm make 1.3mm so is just lower than the 1.5mm capping's hope all this makes sense Chris.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: ChrisF on June 05, 2020, 09:23:10 pm: Thanks for the detailed response Joe, much appreciated.

Is the mahogany sheet 0.5mm or 1.5mm thick? If the latter it will be 1.0mm deeper than the planking? I had assumed it was 0.8mm thick i.e. slighter thicker than the planks as the king plank looks to be slightly above the planks with a notch in the front window.

The width of the bow piece is just over 200mm in my 1:12 model so I had assumed in your 1:11 that it would be even wider, so two pieces of mahogany sheet butted together is only going to be 200mm, so not wide enough?

Chris
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: Capt Podge on June 05, 2020, 09:38:48 pm: Hiya Joe, that decking looks great and I especially like the way you've tackled the capping, I just wish I hadn't started mine before seeing yours first :embarrassed: .
Looking good mate. :-))

Chris, that's the same problem as I had - ended up with having to insert the extra width both fore and aft >:-o
If it's not too late, I would follow Joe's route. O0

Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: ChrisF on June 05, 2020, 09:51:39 pm: Hi Ray

I was originally going to plank the deck but then decided to get it laser etched but after seeing how you and Joe have tackled it decided to go back to planking.

Chris
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on June 05, 2020, 10:04:49 pm: Chris the mahogany is 1.5mm thick don't forget I used a 0.5 plank and a 0.8 sub deck making 1.3mm as for the width of the bow you make the scarf joints at a point on the bow that is a tab under 200mm. scarf joints are much better than butt joints as they are harder to see.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: ChrisF on June 05, 2020, 10:55:32 pm: Thanks Joe

Oh I see, the mahogany doesn't sit on the sub-deck then? I was confused because in an earlier photo it showed the sub-deck covering the whole of the deck area and had assumed that the bow-piece sat on it. Further confused by a later photo with the bow-piece fitted and the sub-deck continues behind where the scarf joint is. Was a strip of the sub-deck then removed to take the 1.5mm mahogany?

That's interesting because where your scarf joint is my hull is 203mm wide and my model is 1:12 so should be narrower than yours. No problem as I can move the joint forward so that the overall width is less than 200mm.
Sorry, we'll get there in the end!

Chris
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on June 05, 2020, 11:04:31 pm: This photo is when the Mahogany capping was glued in place and a paper pattern was made to cut the sub deck to fit the planking to.

Joe.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: ChrisF on June 05, 2020, 11:17:01 pm: Thanks for your patience Joe

Ok, got it now! Didn't realise there is in fact 2 sub-decks. One that covers the whole of the deck and then one that sits inside the mahogany bow-piece and side pieces for the planking to sit on.

Chris
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on June 06, 2020, 10:56:31 am: Ok Chris, I probably confused you by calling the 0.8 ply that the planks are bonded to a "sub deck" maybe secondary deck may have been better, the Mahogany detail at the bow I just put the scarf joints at a position where the measurement was 200mm, you could do it in three pieces, I just thought the less joints the better.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: ChrisF on June 06, 2020, 01:06:43 pm: Hi Joe

I'm easily confused!

Less joints definitely better! I've now realised though that I'm probably going to have to do it directly on the boat as I've put a camber in the deck. So will use thinner mahogany to match the planks with both going on the sub-deck. Otherwise I will follow your method as it looks great.

Chris
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on June 06, 2020, 02:31:39 pm: I wouldn't worry too much about the camber Chris, I've got a camber in mine and because the planked area is in two halves they fit without a problem, when you think about it as the planks are longitudinal it's only the 0.8mm ply that has to bend and it dose that easily.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: ChrisF on June 06, 2020, 04:56:02 pm: Ok, thanks Joe, I'd certainly like to do it off the model.

Cheers, Chris
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on June 07, 2020, 04:39:45 pm: Well all masked up and got the primer coats done to hull and cabins, leaving it till tomorrow now to cure before a light rub down and then the top coats, spray painting has never been My best subject but I'll do the best I can. :embarrassed:

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: DaveM on June 07, 2020, 05:13:27 pm: Joe
Rattle-cans are no big mystery. I've been using them for yonks now and some folk say that my finishes look quite reasonable in the right light.... 8)
There are a few rules to follow, though. The first thing is not to spray if the temperature is less than about 15°C. Then:
1) Shake the can for 2 minutes before spraying and shake it again every 30 seconds or so while spraying:
2) Hold the can between 8"-12" from the model:
3) Move the spray cone along the model in one smooth movement, starting the spray just before you hit the start of the model and spraying until you've just passed the end:
4) Apply LIGHT, EVEN coats only, resisting the temptation to see what it wil look like fully-covered! Yeah - we've all done that... Allow 15-20 minutes between coats:
5) If you DO get sags or runs then LEAVE THEM TO DRY FULLY. You'll then find that most of the mess was solvent and has evaporated, leaving a relatively low "blob" of pigment which you can rub down. If you attempt to wipe it off while it's wet then you'll make a much worse mess:
6) When you've added as many coats as you need, leave the model to dry for at least 24 hours in a warm place. To check if it's fully set, shove your nose right up against it and have a good sniff. If there's even a trace of the smell of solvent then leave it for another 24 hours.
I always maintain that the worst enemy of spraying is impatience.
I hope this helps.
DaveM
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on June 07, 2020, 05:47:42 pm: Ho I know how to spray them Dave it's the last bit the impatience that I have to master :embarrassed: {-)

Joe.
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Post by: DaveM on June 07, 2020, 06:26:45 pm: PM sent, Joe. :-))
DM
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on June 08, 2020, 04:48:08 pm: Got most of the painting done today, just got the cabin sides to paint blue, I'm going to leave for a day or so to cure then I'll mask off the window frames and roof to do the cabin sides, not sure yet whether to leave the window frames gloss white or paint them silver to look something like alloy, I had a spare pair of brass props I put on to see what brass would look like these are 30mm, yes I know they are Destroyer props but I may try them out before I get the planned 40mm props just to see how they perform.
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Post by: Capt Podge on June 08, 2020, 05:08:51 pm: Neat looking paint job Joe.

She'll probably fly with those props %%

Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on June 08, 2020, 05:46:09 pm: Thanks Ray, I had planned on 40mm props, but remembered I had these in the odds and ends box so thought I just as well try them first.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on June 09, 2020, 02:32:17 pm: While the paint is curing I've been pottering about with the water slide transfers, I'm a lot happier with these than the vinyl lettering I used before that never really looked right no matter how careful I was I always got a letter or two slightly crooked, these water slides are well worth the effort and expense. ok2

Joe
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Post by: Capt Podge on June 09, 2020, 02:36:24 pm: Great work Joe, they look like they belong there - well done mate.

Regards,
Ray.
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Post by: radiojoe on June 09, 2020, 02:48:58 pm: Cheers Ray and thanks again for the introduction to water slides. :-))

Joe
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Post by: ChrisF on June 09, 2020, 05:19:34 pm: They look the dogs danglies! And finish off the model beautifully.

Chris
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on June 11, 2020, 04:36:07 pm: Thanks Chris,
finished off the paint work and mounted the air intakes, I'm now pottering with the cockpit furniture just doing my own thing I doubt it will look like the real deal but it's all good fun, I've been trying to simulate the seating I was going to try and use some fine cloth but thought as it's a fast boat the cockpit will probably get at least some water in it so I've tried to simulate a vinyl seat in styrene may look ok from a distance :o anyway next I'll be fitting the "glazing" this should be fun, {:-{

Joe
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Post by: DJW on June 11, 2020, 06:13:57 pm: Very nice build and detailing Joe, looking good..!
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Post by: ballastanksian on June 11, 2020, 09:19:34 pm: Wow Joe, I miss watching for a few weeks and you have her almost done! Lots of things to like on this build, especially the scoops and the off deck planking technique. I will copy that some :}

Again, you have built an inspiring model of the highest quality. It's folk like you that made Mayhem a joy to come back to after a bit of an enthusiasm famine.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on June 12, 2020, 03:55:28 pm: Thanks for the comments guys always appreciated, I managed to get the glazing done today I wasn't looking forward to that the rebates formed by the window frames are very small so a had to be very careful what glue I used, in the end I held the windows in place and used Rocket Hot penetrating cyano and I mean very carefully a little at a time it ran into the rebate and worked very well only had one small smudge that I managed to polish out with jewellers paste, so now to fit out the cockpit and probably a hatch of sorts on the forward roof.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: ballastanksian on June 12, 2020, 08:28:31 pm: Look at the polish on that hull :-)) It looks positively like a sunny day on the Solent sat there Joe
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Post by: radiojoe on June 13, 2020, 04:40:51 pm: Yeah I thought I would keep the topsides the original gelcoat didn't seem worth spraying it white as it was in nice condition for the age of the hull, there's a couple of marks but not that noticeable.

the cockpit furniture is taking shape it will be painted white apart from the trimming then I need to make the seat pads and back rests.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: ballastanksian on June 13, 2020, 04:45:56 pm: Very very nice Joe :-))
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Post by: SailorGreg on June 13, 2020, 06:47:56 pm: Lovely, especially the logos on the intakes. Love 'em.

Greg
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Post by: Mark T on June 14, 2020, 02:02:46 pm: Just been catching up with the forum - That is such a lovely job Joe it looks simply stunning. The decals are on another level :-))
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on June 16, 2020, 04:55:10 pm: Thanks Mark,, Got the first coat of paint on the cockpit furniture I thought I would paint by brush, too much fiddly masking to spray, going though my paint stock it seems a lot of the pots have had it well they are very old and one of them was the gloss white so I need to order a few colors, in the mean time I've been making the fore and aft companion ways, Mahogany frame doors with Rosewood panels also went off on a bit of a tangent because I kept thinking of a way to make the mast so I made it while as I was thinking of it, three pieces of 1.5mm Mahogany laminated with a captive treaded rod to fix it the bottom back half I've left flat as this supports the windscreen.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on June 17, 2020, 02:58:59 pm: I started to make a list of the little paint pots and really only needed two of tree so it was either CBM and such a small order the postage they understandably have to charge I felt wasn't worth it, or E-bay where the post was free but the paint pots were three times the price, so as I had some of the white spray left from the cabin roofs the fiddly masking seemed the best way to go they are now being left to cure before permanently fitting them in place.

Got the two companion ways finished and now to polish them with gunstock finish that should bring out the grain nicely.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: ballastanksian on June 17, 2020, 08:01:55 pm: Lovely work Joe :-))
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Post by: Fastfaz on June 17, 2020, 09:16:59 pm: Nice job Joe, very impressive. Did you make the ship's wheel or buy it? I need two similar to yours for my project, any suggestions as to where I can source them? They need to be approximately 20 mmm ish in diameter.
Cheers, Pete. :-)) :-)) :-))
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Post by: RST on June 17, 2020, 09:28:22 pm: Great work with the deck. I don't think I could have had the patience to do that so neatly! I just took hold of an order for no fume cyano for doing my windows. Wasn't brave enough to try it without and I thought other glues at my disposal might give other problems.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on June 18, 2020, 11:15:19 am: Pete yes I made the ships wheel I try to make as many items as I can not because I'm tight I just get a kick out of it especially if the item turns out good enough to use, I recon you could get a wheel from www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk it's just a bit of a pain going though all the listings of different brands {:-{
(https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=64796.0;attach=201565;image)
RST how wise you are to get some fume free cyano, I thought about it but as I already had the Rocket didn't bother but soon wished I had working close up on the inside of the cabin top the next day I had a sore nose and a slight headache all day, next time it'll be fume free cyano. :-))
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on June 19, 2020, 04:48:26 pm: polishing the companion ways today and be tween coats I've been making the seat pads, I scrapped the two original pads I thought I put too much round on the corners so these ones just have the corners and edges softened a bit , the seat pads are left unpainted apart from the blue "pipping" I think the natural styrene finish looks a bit like the white vinyl I'm trying to simulate, now starting to fix furniture in place.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on June 20, 2020, 05:06:19 pm: I got up this morning with roof vents on my mind, I don't know why but anyway off on another tangent, thought about it for a while and decided on simple mushroom vents for the fore and aft heads, I formed the "mushroom" with a bit of tube and an old aircraft alloy spinner with the tube in the vise I placed a piece of 0.5 styrene over the end and heated the alloy spinner then pushed the styrene into the end of the the tube, it took a few goes to get the heat right, but got a couple of reasonable ones, then found a couple of spare portholes that did for the bases, I think they make reasonable vents, I'll paint they white I don't want them to stand out too much.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on June 23, 2020, 03:42:09 pm: Companionways almost ready to fit, while polish dries I started on the fore cabin hatch I thought about making a plain Mahogany one like the companionway tops, but as I found a small piece of lexan left from the windows I use it in the hatch with a wood surround painted silver to kind of look like alloy, I didn't want to cut a hole in the roof so I painted the inside of the faring base dark grey to look like a darkened cabin, tomorrow I'll fit the companion ways.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on June 24, 2020, 01:39:01 pm: The more I look at that hatch the less I like it, it's too small and too chunky so I'll make another one a bit larger and without the lexan I seen a lot of different types of hatches on the 31s some have "glazing" and some are just hardwood, I have some 1.5mm Mahogany left so I'll make one and see what it looks like before I remove the current one, but for now the companionways are ready to fit, I'll leave the helm loose to do some more work on.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on June 25, 2020, 03:44:26 pm: Made the morse control last night, now have a couple of fingernails shorter than the rest %% the waterslide decals came in handy again on the instrument panel could have cut it out of paper but I think the decals look neater, so I've just glued the console in place, you may notice the holes in the cockpit side these are for the windscreen I've bee pottering with now and then, it was a die cut piece of lexan in the box with the hull and that and the windows are the few things I didn't bin, being die cut I didn't imagine it would be any thing like a fit to the scratch build cabins but with a fair bit of trimming I'm nearly there.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on June 26, 2020, 04:07:25 pm: Fitted the new hatch much happier with this one, and finally prepped the windscreen ready for fitting, I say finally because it been a bit of a ##### to fit, the bottom edge changes shape as it's wrapped around the contours of the roof camber but it's as close as I can get it, I'll fit it tomorrow as I've just glued the hatch.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on June 27, 2020, 01:42:33 pm: I been waiting for some 0x9mm brass cs screws for fixing the windscreen, they came at last took 10 days for some reason, anyway windscreen now fitted, and with just the deck fittings to do I thought it was time for a second float test the first was just the hull and running gear, she sits bang on her water line and not the hint of a list, no ballast of trimming needed, never had that happen before, and the indications are the 30mm brass props from my spares box could well do the job a burst of throttle nearly had her bows up the slope of the bath now I need to trawl though the fittings lists on CBM to find suitable cleats, fairleads etc. I doubt I'll find any 1:11 so 1;12 would probably do, I think she might look better with a skipper too, large scale boats with open cockpits don't look right running without someone at the helm, have to see what I can find.

Joe.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: ChrisF on June 27, 2020, 04:06:46 pm: Looking really smart Joe. Don't forget the bow rail!

Chris
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on June 27, 2020, 04:26:11 pm: Funny you should mention that Chris I've been pondering over it for a couple of days I know the large pulpit is quite a noticeable part of the Huntsman but I can see it being vulnerable to damage from getting the boat down the stairs, in and out the car etc. I may not have one, I'll give it some more thought {:-{

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: ballastanksian on June 27, 2020, 05:38:15 pm: Could you make the pulpit strong enough to be a handle Joe? If its in your hand then it isn't going to get bonked unless you have severely impacted your hand first. It all depends on the mounting of the stanchions etc, but some brass structures can be quite strong.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on June 27, 2020, 06:23:23 pm: See what you mean Ian, the only problem I can see is the gauge of the rod to make the pulpit, a full size one would be 25 to 30mm stainless steel so on the model I would guess around 2 to 2.5 rod, there's only four fixing points to the deck and two joints in the pulpit, I think these would have to be silver soldered to be of any strength, I don't have the equipment to silver solder, and may not look right in brass and probably even worse painted, this is why I thought about omitting it. {:-{

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: ChrisF on June 27, 2020, 06:41:21 pm: Hi Joe
I have one of the big 47" Huntsman and that is cumbersome, yours should be Ok. Making it strong enough to use as a handle isn't really practicable and if it were you might as well carry it with one hand under the bow.

If you do fit one you could always extend the stand to protect it or better still a carry box. They look Ok if painted silver if you don't want to use chrome paint.

It looks great anyway.

Chris
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: DaveM on June 27, 2020, 07:44:42 pm: Hi Joe
There are actually two struts each side, making six attachment points and four soldered joints in total. I would use S/Steel TIG welding rod, with low-temperature silver-solder and flux from Cupalloy. 3mm brass would also do the job but it must be silver-soldered and painted chrome - and don't even think of using it as a handle.
DaveM
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on June 27, 2020, 10:37:06 pm: Yes I have seen them with four legs, I was going by the pic I've been using as a reference that only has two, and as I said a couple of posts ago it would need silver solder that I don't have the equipment to do and I would never do enough silver soldering to make the cost viable, so rather than botch something together I think I'll leave it off.

joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: ballastanksian on June 27, 2020, 11:27:49 pm: I see now that it certainly does not protrude as much as I recall seeing on other models, therefore not best as a handle!

If you can lug it about with your hand on the bow then you will have a good part of the pulpit protected.

I definitely agree with Chris about boxes.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on June 28, 2020, 11:03:29 am: Yes I too agree a carry case would be the best protection if I were sailing boats on a regular basis two or three times a month but I don't sail anything like that more like a couple of times a year so a case would be overkill for me.

There was a length of 2.5mm wire in the box with the hull and from the markings stamped on the end it's clearly welding rod it's copper coated steel and obviously meant for the pulpit, Now as always with the welcome comments from you guys and the discussion about the pulpit my interest in low temperature silver soldering has been piqued, so I've ordered a few thin rods and some easy flow to practice with and see if my small butane torch will do the job, it was cheaper than I had thought, If I do make the pulpit I'll use brass rod not the steel welding rod, the problem is brass rod by post is 12" or 300mm long and I need at least 18" for the main part of the pulpit so I need to find somewhere to get longer lengths.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: DaveM on June 28, 2020, 11:18:01 am: CMB strikes again! https://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/acatalog/brass_rod.html (https://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/acatalog/brass_rod.html)
Here's an alternative https://modelshop.co.uk/Shop/Strip-Shape/Circular-Rod/Metal/Item/Brass-rod-long/ITM1943 (https://modelshop.co.uk/Shop/Strip-Shape/Circular-Rod/Metal/Item/Brass-rod-long/ITM1943)

Do take care not to overheat the brass as it will become soft with heat and may bend out of shape unless you make up a holding jig like this one. BTW the reason why the pulpit doesn't overhang the bow by much is that moorings are charged by boat length. These Fairey owners might be rich but they're careful!

DaveM
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on June 28, 2020, 11:25:41 am: Thanks Dave, I knew they did 12" and 300mm , must have missed the longer ones :-))
Yes I was thinking of a mockup of the bows if I do the pulpit

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: warspite on June 28, 2020, 12:44:41 pm: Ever considered having it removable?, store in the cabin area whilst in transit, fit at the lake side !
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Post by: Mark T on June 28, 2020, 02:20:15 pm: Hi Joe the build is looking beautiful mate :-)) I wish that I had seen this earlier as like you I don't have any special silver soldering tools but I do use this

https://www.cupalloys.co.uk/low-temp-silver-solder/index.asp

I just clean up the brass or stainless steel with wire wool and apply a tiny bit of this out of the syringe. Its very low temperature so I just use a blow torch of the sort you can buy at B&Q. It works great and its very strong and its saves messing with separate flux and rods.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on June 28, 2020, 04:47:12 pm: Quote from: warspite on June 28, 2020, 12:44:41 pm
Ever considered having it removable?, store in the cabin area whilst in transit, fit at the lake side !

Well it's worth considering, I initially thought the holes in the deck would enlarge with constant removal ,but a bit of brass tube in each hole would cure that my only other concern would be vibration from motors or waves etc. but still worth thinking about. :-))

Joe.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on June 28, 2020, 04:50:47 pm: Quote from: Mark T on June 28, 2020, 02:20:15 pm
Hi Joe the build is looking beautiful mate :-)) I wish that I had seen this earlier as like you I don't have any special silver soldering tools but I do use this

https://www.cupalloys.co.uk/low-temp-silver-solder/index.asp (https://www.cupalloys.co.uk/low-temp-silver-solder/index.asp)

I just clean up the brass or stainless steel with wire wool and apply a tiny bit of this out of the syringe. Its very low temperature so I just use a blow torch of the sort you can buy at B&Q. It works great and its very strong and its saves messing with separate flux and rods.

Thanks for the tip Mark, I've been using solder paste for years but didn't know you could get it in Silver solder. :-))

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on June 30, 2020, 04:10:23 pm: I invested a tenner in some Silver solder rods and easyflo flux, it came today so I did a few practice pieces first with brass and then brass/steel, my butane torch was fine with this size metal, and did some quite reasonable joints, so I thought I'll do a practice pulpit using the steel rod that came with the hull, well when I'd finished it I was actually quite pleased with it and thought it was good enough to actually use, I've gone for the four footed version like the Fairey Hunstman picture not because it was easier but I think my fore deck could be a bit shorted than some others, maybe I've got the cabins further forward, so for me it looks ok, now need to get some chrome paint, and still looking for some suitable cleats and fairleads I've trawled though CMBs lists but can't find any that look right.
I've always said this Forum pushes you to do more than you think you can do, I still believe that, I'll use Silver Solder from now on and only use soft solder for electrical joints :-))

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: DaveM on June 30, 2020, 05:02:35 pm: Super job, Joe. I told you it's not difficult.
DaveM
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: roycv on June 30, 2020, 06:10:01 pm: Hi as far as the pulpit goes I used brass tubing with hard brass wire that was a close fit. I found that ordinary solder wire was a good fit inside while I carefully bent it to shape then retrieved the solder. The solder prevents the brass tubing from deforming.

I used close fitting brass wire as the supports and also in the ends of the pulpit to anchor it into the deck. Where the uprights go into the tubing I made a small hole so the wire could locate and then soft soldered the joint. My model is to 1 : 24th scale so a bit smaller at 15 1/2 inches loa. The chrome type paint now available brings it up to the right look.
regards
Roy
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: roycv on June 30, 2020, 06:18:17 pm: How will you represent the 'supports' and framing for the wrap around wind screen? I am just at that point doing a repair job to my one.
regards
Roy
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on June 30, 2020, 06:42:35 pm: Quote from: DaveM on June 30, 2020, 05:02:35 pm
Super job, Joe. I told you it's not difficult.
DaveM

Thanks Dave and also for your continued encouragement.. :-))

Joe.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on June 30, 2020, 07:12:24 pm: Quote from: roycv on June 30, 2020, 06:18:17 pm
How will you represent the 'supports' and framing for the wrap around wind screen? I am just at that point doing a repair job to my one.
regards
Roy

Hi Roy, all I did with the screen was to bond strips of mahognany to each side of the screen where it fits to the cockpit sides and masked off to represent a frame, sanded the area to be painted with 600 grit and painted it silver, the screen is not glued just fixed with tiny brass screws so easily removed if it get damaged,
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Post by: roycv on June 30, 2020, 07:28:40 pm: Hi radioJ I should have looked more carefully as the reflection was close by. My previous screen was carefully masked 2 or 3 coats of paint which stood up well. I will go down the paint road, I tried some lining tape but it is too wide.

If you look under a thread Pleasure / leisure/ diana 14 inch semi scale Huntress on this forum. I posted a picture of my boat (it is not Diana), when the thread was on about power trains.
I worked out my model is a bit over 35 years old. You can see where I have repaired the pulpit with some tubing.

best regards
Roy
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: ballastanksian on June 30, 2020, 08:44:31 pm: Silver solder paste? %% Wow, that sounds like a good idea as does the low temp silver solder.

Anyhow, the boat progresses well, and the screen is a super example of precision model making (as does the pulpit.)
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: Shipmate60 on June 30, 2020, 10:10:49 pm: Looking good Joe.

Bob
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on June 30, 2020, 10:44:01 pm: Thanks guys, this is another model that has taught me a lot and to try new things.

just can't find the right cleats and fairleads like these in the pics well that stile anyway.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: Capt Podge on June 30, 2020, 10:53:49 pm: Just done a catch up on your build Joe and Wow, that has to be the neatest windscreen I've seen so far.
The pulpit seems to cause problems for a lot of people but you'll find a way that looks right O0 .

Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on July 01, 2020, 08:03:47 am: The pulpit's already done Ray on the previous page,, do keep up that man. {-) O0 {-)

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on July 01, 2020, 02:06:41 pm: I liked the look of the shiny silver pulpit but I don't think the steel would have faired too well in the wet stuff especially in the salt lagoons of Walpole Park, I did think of clear lacquer but it only needs a scratch for rust to set in, so I've given it a couple of undercoats and I found a half empty met silver spray in the garage that was enough for four coats, I'll give it a couple of coats of lacquer for good measure, the ferrules on the feet are the ones that come with servos just big enough to cover the mounting holes, it will be permanently bonded to boat if she's pounding the waves there's a good chance it'll jump off if left removable.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: Capt Podge on July 01, 2020, 04:14:51 pm: That's a good idea ref the ferrules - duly noted for future reference. ;)

Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: ballastanksian on July 01, 2020, 08:11:30 pm: Sometimes we can over complicate things and do the things we are trying to prevent by accident!

Lovely work as ever Joe :-)) :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on July 01, 2020, 10:56:40 pm: Thanks Ian,
well I've drawn a blank searching for deck fittings to suit a Huntsman, so it looks like I've no option but to try and make masters and cast some, my stock of mould and casting materials have long past there shelf life I binned what was left of the resin months ago and the catalyst for the mould rubber has dried up, so I've ordered some more materials, a bit costly for a few fittings but heck it's fun to do and who knows what I'll do next. ok2

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on July 02, 2020, 04:15:26 pm: I've been having a bit of fun today making the master deck fittings ready for when the casting materials get here, they were very fiddly but enjoyable to see what I could come up with, the good thing about the masters is they can be made out of anything, wood, plastic, metal or a combination of them, as you can imagine these are quite fragile so I'll probably make a mould of the cleat and crucifix bollard and take a casting then refine the detail on the casting, then make another mould using the casting as the master, these two moulds will have to be semi split moulds to help extraction of the casting, the fairlead master is one I made quite a while ago for another model I'm going to take a casting of it to see if it can be used, this one dose not have to be split as it can be extracted easily.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: Mark T on July 02, 2020, 06:55:14 pm: Lovely work Joe this is such a nice build to follow :-))
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on July 03, 2020, 03:14:37 pm: Thank you Mark, my casting materials come this morning, great service from Easy Composites, so I've got the cleat and bollard curing in the silicone rubber 24 hour cure time so I'll see how they turn out tomorrow, and I took a casting of the fairlead that was made for my 1:48 MCMV Brocklesby to see if it could be used, it's around 2 feet long at 1:48 and will be around 6 to 7 inches on this boat, It didn't look too bad for length but I thought I would reduce the width a bit so it didn't look too heavy, possibly a little high but I think it will do, it was fiddly enough making this one let alone a lower one, I've got some chrome paint ordered for the deck fittings that I hope will look ok, I'm using Zencast P6 toughened polyurethane resin that sets to a translucent white, it is a vast improvement on the last resin I used that was yellow and quite brittle when set.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: SailorGreg on July 04, 2020, 02:11:39 pm: Coming along nicely Joe. Regarding the fairlead being too high, could you simply file off the top/horns and a little of the sides and add a new, lower top? Easy for me to say, a bit trickier in practice I guess. Still, it will look great whatever you do. :-)) :-))

Greg
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on July 04, 2020, 03:31:27 pm: Hi Greg. Thanks for your suggestion, I looked again at the fairlead, the top of the "hooks" were quite thick so I sanded a bit off to make them thinner the difference in the height is subtle but definitely better, the new toughened resin I'm using is a lot stronger than the old stuff and these little fittings are actually quite strong,

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: T888 on July 04, 2020, 04:08:03 pm: Joe, nice to see your still making and casting fittings. I must say not had any issue with the resin I use, it can be sanded quick after de moulding and is very hard after a day. Yes it is not cheap but works well. Nice non grey build Junior %%
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on July 05, 2020, 08:41:42 pm: Thanks Dave, Yes I find casting quite fascinating to see what I can do, the old resin I used was fine but this zencast P6 has more tensile strength.

Joe.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on July 06, 2020, 04:42:29 pm: In between making the deck fittings I challenged myself to make one of those ubiquitous s/s roof vents, we used to call them Force4 vents where I used to work, so anyway here it is, made up but laminating various thicknesses of styrene the main body is three pieces of 1.5mm styrene 22mm diameter glued together with a hole though the center with a nut and bolt in it and spun in a Dremel and shaped with the edge of a craft blade and obviously holes drilled round the edge, the rest is made up of 0.5mm styrene and a lot of fiddly sanding, the inside of the holes will be painted black and the rest silver.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: Mark T on July 06, 2020, 05:13:03 pm: Thats nice Joe - A nice little side line would be selling these mouldings to other Huntsman builders ok2
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: ballastanksian on July 06, 2020, 08:17:58 pm: Smart work as always Joe. The new reinforced resin sounds like a good product.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on July 07, 2020, 12:08:12 pm: This morning I'm preparing the roof vent to make a mould, It will have to be carefully filled with the silicon so air isn't trapped in those holes, we'll see how it comes out tomorrow.
I wasn't happy with the cross cleats so I've decided to use the anvil cleats I made for my Diva, Diva is a smaller boat than the Huntsman so the cleats could be a similar scale, I've started to paint the fairleads with the Humrol chrome paint not that impressed really, I prefer the metalic silver.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on July 08, 2020, 04:44:09 pm: The mould for the vent came out fine with all holes intact, and the first casting was ok too, I only need two of these but casting was easier than trying to make two identical vents plus I've as many as I want for future use, also made the ensign staff deck fitting today.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: ChrisF on July 08, 2020, 06:09:29 pm: Pity your model is a different scale to mine!

Nice work as usual Joe.

Chris
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on July 09, 2020, 11:34:58 am: Thanks Chris, if you think about it up to a point deck fittings are quite scale tollerant, the fairlead was made for a 1:48 scale but for me dosen't look out of place on this scale, the 9" roof vent in full size could be fitted to say a 14 foot cabin boat or a 50 foot cabin cruiser, I could fit one to my smaller Diva but would look silly on my 1:48 mcmv.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on July 09, 2020, 04:13:11 pm: After a few days of making moulds and casting I now have all the deck fittings painted and ready to fit, I'll leave them over night to let the paint harden a bit more.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on July 10, 2020, 04:18:02 pm: Made the ensign staff and did all the deck fittings today, the staff is quite vulnerable at the stern so I made it removable and will be stowed in the cockpit, just got to make some sort of bow roller now, I've made them in styrene before but not that strong so as I've got some thin copper sheet I think I'll try that.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: ChrisF on July 10, 2020, 08:30:44 pm: Overall it's looking superb Joe. Will be great seeing it on the water and seeing how it goes with twin motors.

Chris
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on July 11, 2020, 12:17:13 pm: Thanks Chris, Yep it's getting near sea trials time,, been working on the bow roller today a bit of trail and error but nearly there, made the kit, now to paint and assemble it.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on July 13, 2020, 03:20:51 pm: Finished the bow roller yesterday, and marked today as trails day, the conditions seemed just right at home but as all too often happen at Walpole Park the cross winds off Haslar creek were whipping up a 2 to 3 inch chop, but decided to get her bottom wet anyway, she ran well but not there yet performance wise, not quite on the plane, I'd say about half plane but very pleased with how she handles a nice heel on turning and handled the chop ok, I ran her for half an hour at full throttle then brought her in despite the spray over her decks she was dry inside, motors just warm, shafts just warm, ESC cool, conclusion she needs more power, I used 30mm three blade brass props and a 2S lipo today, so I'll be ordering a pair of 40mm three blade brass props that I always intended to use and a 3S lipo and we'll see how that works.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on July 17, 2020, 02:39:24 pm: Down to the lake this morning with larger props fitted and a 3S lipo, she took off like a rocket way to much power at full throttle on a turn the outer prop cavitates and loses thrust, I can certainly see why some guys fit single shafts to these H31s , so I have to throttle back for the turns but she dose bank very nicely, but after about ten minutes the ESC went into protection mode so bought her in and sure enough the ESC was very hot as were the motors, the shafts being virtually water cooled were fine. put her back in and run ok again, so thought I would try the 2S lipo with the larger props.

Back to the lake this afternoon with the 2S lipo much better still need to throttle back on turns and got the hang of her after a while it sure looked like a H31 performance, she looks great on long turns but again after twenty minutes or so the ESC got too hot ran her slow for a while and the speed kicked in again, so I think some sort of cooling is required I have to give it some thought. not much in the way of photos I was on my own and she's a two handed boat. O0

On getting home and cleaning her I noticed the windscreen was split no idea how it happened, may have just been stress I should have put a radius on that corner, Ho well it's all in the fun, clear plastic on order, at least I can use the screen as a template and save all the fitting I had to do on the original.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: SailorGreg on July 17, 2020, 02:42:54 pm: Good job Joe. :-)) :-)) Shame about the windscreen but as you say, it should be a relatively simple fix.

So what's next??

Greg
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: ChrisF on July 17, 2020, 03:05:04 pm: Nice to see it finished and on the water. I think models are subject to higher speeds and tighter turns relative to the full sized boats and hence the problem with a prop coming out of the water.

Good to see the twin props replicated though even if you do have to restrain your throttle hand!

Chris
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: Capt Podge on July 17, 2020, 03:27:39 pm: Just a thought Joe - is the crack on the screen possibly created from an overtightened screw?

Other than that she's looking great!
Well done mate :-))

Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on July 17, 2020, 03:59:39 pm: Quote from: SailorGreg on July 17, 2020, 02:42:54 pm
Good job Joe. :-)) :-)) Shame about the windscreen but as you say, it should be a relatively simple fix.

So what's next??

Greg

Thanks Greg, Yes the windscreen quite an easy fix I think I'll get a couple of sheets of Lexan and make up a couple of spare screens. what's next? not sure but I'll have to build something ok2

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on July 17, 2020, 04:06:58 pm: Quote from: ChrisF on July 17, 2020, 03:05:04 pm
Nice to see it finished and on the water. I think models are subject to higher speeds and tighter turns relative to the full sized boats and hence the problem with a prop coming out of the water.

Good to see the twin props replicated though even if you do have to restrain your throttle hand!

Chris

Thanks Chris, Yeah I think I've got the measure of her now on the 2S lipo , so next time out I'll be driving her at a more scale speed, 3S lipo was just crazy, %%

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on July 17, 2020, 04:14:18 pm: Quote from: Capt Podge on July 17, 2020, 03:27:39 pm
Just a thought Joe - is the crack on the screen possibly created from an overtightened screw?

Other than that she's looking great!
Well done mate :-))

Regards,
Ray.

Thanks Ray, Well there's a screw though the wood that holds the screen in place about 12mm from the spit, but to be honest I think it's more to do with me not following good engineering practices, the split is right on the corner as it go's into the cockpit defo a week spot {:-{ the next one will have a radius at those points.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: Capt Podge on July 17, 2020, 04:18:26 pm: ... so it's probably a simple Stress Factor.
I'll bear this in mind for when I get to that stage on mine O0 .

Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: Mark T on July 17, 2020, 09:29:12 pm: Beautiful job there Joe and it looks so lovely on the water - We don't get enough of these shots O0 I'm sure that you will repair the windscreen in no time.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: Capt Podge on July 17, 2020, 10:19:02 pm: Quote from: Capt Podge on July 17, 2020, 04:18:26 pm
... so it's probably a simple Stress Factor.

Oops, that was supposed to read 'Stress Fracture' :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on July 17, 2020, 10:53:17 pm: Quote from: Mark T on July 17, 2020, 09:29:12 pm
Beautiful job there Joe and it looks so lovely on the water - We don't get enough of these shots O0 I'm sure that you will repair the windscreen in no time.

Thanks Mark, I always think they look much smaller out on the water, I need some clear pvc at least 500mm long for the screen, I found some at good old Slecuk .

Joe.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on July 19, 2020, 10:55:26 am: While waiting for the screen pvc from Slec, I've rigged up a fan over the ESC just to see if it makes a difference, running on the 2S lipo the ESC only went into protection mode once so it may be just enough,

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on July 23, 2020, 03:08:23 pm: I had searched the web for some clear pvc that was at least 500mm long for the new windscreen most places only stock it in 300mm, so when noticed on the Slecuk. site the it was 500mm long I ordered two sheets to make the postage worth while, well it came yesterday, in my rush to order it I only saw the 500mm. it's actually 560mm X 680mm I have two %% I'll probably never run out of it again, {-) . anyway Slecuk did their usual great service.
so I made the new screen and fitted it today, I took the opportunity to restyle the aft of the screen more in keeping with the photos I've seen and put a radius on the little corners as it enters the cockpit, the old screen material was from the seventies so could have been a bit brittle, let's see how long this one lasts. one things for sure I can make plenty more. :-))

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on July 24, 2020, 04:11:04 pm: With the new screen done I thought I would try another combination of the drive train the 3S lipo and the original 30mm props and took her to the lakes the Yacht club were racing on the large lake so I used the small lake that was actually more sheltered and hardly any chop and had it all to myself, she ran perfectly taking turns at full throttle with no cavitating just a lovely bank, gave her fast runs around the lake for 25 minutes with no over heating, took her out to check inside the ESC was just warm the motors were very warm, very happy with her now just the sort of performance I was looking for like a true H31.

Joe.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: ChrisF on July 24, 2020, 04:34:27 pm: Hi Joe

That's good to hear. I did wonder if the smaller props would be better given the twin motor set up.

A boat to be proud of.

Chris
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: SailorGreg on July 24, 2020, 04:43:42 pm: Well done Joe. Lovely to see everything come together. :-)) :-))

Greg
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on July 24, 2020, 05:25:22 pm: As always thanks for your comments guys, I guess when you think about it the smaller 30mm props are actually quite close to scale, now I'll have to think of a boat for the pair of 40mm props I've got spare, though I have been thinking of a yacht for my next build, I've had three Yachts, I built the Graupner Optimist back in the seventies then sold it, then I had the Graupner True Blue not much to build there sold it, then the Victoria again not much to build and only suitable for a very light breeze so of course sold it, but I do enjoy sailing Yachts so might think about that, probably wood construction around 800mm length as I now have a much smaller car, the Aeronaut Bella fits the bill, we'll see. ;)

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: Capt Podge on July 24, 2020, 07:41:41 pm: It's great to see her finished Joe, you've made a smashing job of it.
Your build log has also revealed some good ideas for other people to pick up on - well done that man. :-))

Regards,
Ray.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: Mark T on July 24, 2020, 09:57:00 pm: Quote from: Capt Podge on July 24, 2020, 07:41:41 pm
It's great to see her finished Joe, you've made a smashing job of it.
Your build log has also revealed some good ideas for other people to pick up on - well done that man. :-))

Regards,
Ray.

Fully agree with Ray - fantastic build and well done :-))
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on July 25, 2020, 09:39:45 am: Thanks for your kind comments ,always appreciated, I'm already having building withdrawal symptoms, is it just me or dose anyone else get that when they finish a build, it's like what the heck can I do now, I must take my time and not rush into anything O0 .

Joe.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: ChrisF on July 25, 2020, 05:36:49 pm: Whilst I enjoy giving the boats a run, I like many, if not most of us modellers, find the building the most satisfying part and so can understand your withdrawal symptoms.

What to build next is somewhat easier for me as it's got to be a Fairey! Just started another one even though I've got the others to finish!

Chris
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: DJW on July 25, 2020, 05:59:47 pm: Hi Joe

I was thinking about the larger props cavitating. It may be that the larger diameter, so faster prop tips were actually either pulling down air from the surface in a banked turn, or air bubbles are being drawn down the full length lift strakes so ventilation is occurring.

Sounds academic anyway as the smaller props are probably less demanding on the motors and ESCs.

Maybe if the problem occurs even with the small props when in choppy conditions it would point at the lift strakes.

Great to hear the boat is out on the water after all the hard work.

:-))
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: RST on July 25, 2020, 06:12:51 pm: I really would be surprised if you're cavitating. Tell tale will be the surface of the prop tips breaking down and pitting on the surface of the blades. I think you'll get aeration, which in my modest experience of full scale powerboating as well as any model can be handled with left hand on steering and right in throttle.

Really nicely done model by the way, I've been watching throughout while I've been building my Amera stand-off plastic kit.

Rich
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on July 25, 2020, 06:44:15 pm: Yeah for me it's all about the build, though it's nice to see something you've built out on the water running just as it should, I've been down to the lake more times in the last two weeks than the last two years. %%

I was thinking the smaller props would be less demanding on the motors and esc. this seems to be the case and they are certainly big enough to do the job, cavitation was probably the wrong word, it was more like props breaking the surface and as you say drawing in air, anyway the balance is just right now. :-))

Joe.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: ballastanksian on August 05, 2020, 10:38:17 pm: I've just caught up wit your build and have to say she looks amazing (but then that doesn't surprise me :-)) )
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on August 05, 2020, 11:01:02 pm: As always thanks for your interest Ian. :-))

Joe.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: ChrisF on October 04, 2020, 01:05:30 pm: Hi Joe

Finally got around to getting the deck planking. Blimey it's thin stuff isn't it! As My build is 1:12 I've gone for the narrower 5mm. Not ready to start yet as I've got the sub-deck to fit but had a trial go at bending it.

Obviously it bends upwards as you bend it sideways. Did you glue one piece all and one go and how did you keep it flat? Haven't decided yet on whether to go for the mahogany edging yet or not though I've got the sheet and will be doing the bow piece. I take it you cut it to shape?

Chris
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on October 04, 2020, 01:55:30 pm: Hi Chris yes I fitted and glued one plank at a time, the good thing I found about planking on a sub deck is you can use clamps to hold most of the planks, I noticed on a photo of a full size H31 that the first plank on the outer edge was tapered of at the bow end quite early this reduces the curve on all the planks so I did the same and each plank was clamped in place dry and then glued with thin cyanoacrylate run in to the joint, and yes I did cut out the Mahogany bow piece, you'll notice I have a joint along the centre line this was because the sheet of Mahogany was only 100mm wide so I had to make it in two pieces.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: ChrisF on October 04, 2020, 03:51:41 pm: Thanks Joe. I shall give it a go!

Chris
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: ChrisF on October 04, 2020, 04:25:49 pm: Sorry Joe, I should have been clearer. I meant the mahogany edging along the sides. Seem to remember you cutting it out of sheet rather than bending it. If so, cutting narrow strips must have been tricky?

Chris
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on October 04, 2020, 04:53:58 pm: Ahh Right yes because the gunwale edging was quite wide I thought it would be difficult to bend so I cut it in two sections each side scarfed onto the bow detail and another cut to shape across the transom, turned out ok and a lot easier than trying to bend it.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: ChrisF on October 04, 2020, 06:27:44 pm: Cheers Joe.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: ChrisF on October 05, 2020, 01:22:53 pm: Sorry for all the questions Joe!

I have decided to go with the mahogany along the sides, one plank wide, in my case 5mm. Easy enough to make a card template to get the shape of the deck edge but how did you mark out the width and then cut it out? I'm guessing that you measured off the distance at points along the edge and joined up the dots?

Wish I hadn't dismantled my drawing board now as it would have been a doddle on that!

Chris
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on October 05, 2020, 02:50:15 pm: Hi Chris No worries, nearly right, I marked out the Mahogany bow detail, gunwale capping and transom capping on the deck including all the scarf joints and then copied all the components with tracing paper, once these were all cut out and glued in place and flushed off with the hull edge I glued a 5mm x 0.5mm Mahogany on edge all around to cover the joint, I hope this all makes sense.

Joe.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: ChrisF on October 05, 2020, 04:05:45 pm: Thanks again Joe. I've nearly finished fitting the sub-deck so once I've trimmed/sanded it flush I can make a start.

I've got a large roll of good quality tracing paper from my draughting days so that will be just the job.

Chris
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on October 05, 2020, 04:30:37 pm: Nice one Chris, you can see the Mahogany marked out here

(https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=64796.0;attach=201512;image)
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: ChrisF on October 05, 2020, 05:33:16 pm: Cheers Joe, I'll post some pictures up when I start.

Chris
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: ChrisF on October 28, 2020, 06:22:07 pm: Hi Joe

Just got the first plank fitted to the Huntsman. Has taken me awhile as I decided to do the mahogany edgings and sub-bases to three hulls whilst I was in the groove! Those sub-bases certainly take some time to do having to sand progressively to get a good fit. Glad they're done though now.

What was the matt varnish you used for the planking?

Cheers, Chris
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on October 28, 2020, 07:11:43 pm: Hi Chris, sounds like you have a production line going on there, {-) I used U-POL CLEARCOTE the same lacquer I used on the decal waterslide transfers, it's waterproof and does the job well at least I've had no problems yet and the decks have been wetted a few times, got it on E-BAY.

Joe
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: ChrisF on October 28, 2020, 08:10:34 pm: You could say that Joe, all Faireys of course!

Thanks for the info. on the lacquer.

Chris
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: ChrisF on October 31, 2020, 12:33:50 pm: Hi Joe

Finished the planking to the Huntsman last night, it does fit better than that, it's not glued down yet!

Would like to say thanks for sharing your method, inspiration and answering my many questions! Swordsman next!

Cheers, Chris
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on October 31, 2020, 04:43:49 pm: Lovely job Chris, no problem at all so glad you found it useful, beautiful wooden hull there mate.

Joe.
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: ChrisF on October 31, 2020, 06:02:18 pm: Thanks Joe

I won't say that doing the edging, sub-bases and planking was easy though! Finding the planking on the Swordsman easier now that I've done it before.

Chris
Title: Re: Hunter's moon build
Post by: radiojoe on October 31, 2020, 06:45:34 pm: Hi Chris, I wonder if the craft we build were easy would we have so much fun. ok2

Joe.