Model Boat Mayhem
The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Working Vessels => Topic started by: chipchase on April 23, 2020, 02:45:22 PM
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Hi all I have been wanting to build a Pelagic Trawler for quite a number of years but unfortunately, I was unable to get a hull at the scale that I liked. I contacted Bill Wood as I knew he had a mould for the Girl Stephanie at 1/25th but unfortunately, he no longer had the mould, So I decided the only thing left was to build my own plug.
After giving it some thought I have decided to try and make my own mould.
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Great start Brian, I'm looking and learning from you, my long term plan is also to build a trawler but at 1/48 scale which will end up just a smidgen under 6ft.
I'll put up a build log once I get it underway. In the meantime I'll happily tag along here :-))
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This should be fun. 1/25 will be pretty big – I see you have the 25kg ballast already, in the corner. ok2
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This should be fun. 1/25 will be pretty big – I see you have the 25kg ballast already, in the corner. ok2
Steve the trawler i am building is 1/60th
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Great start Brian, I'm looking and learning from you, my long term plan is also to build a trawler but at 1/48 scale which will end up just a smidgen under 6ft.
I'll put up a build log once I get it underway. In the meantime I'll happily tag along here :-))
Great news Ray I look forward to your build, the plug i am making is for the PELAGIC TRAWLER RESEARCH LK 62 I am building at 1/60 scale, this will make the model Length 1330mm Beam 270mm The actual size is Length 79.8Mt Beam 16.2Mt. I will be attempting for the first time to make a mould to hopefully produce the hull if all goes well :-))
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The plugs I have made in the past have been plank on frame, this method takes quite a while so looking at different ways to make plugs I decided on
closed foam between the frames.
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Cheers Brian, I don't know if you can recall - I bought the plans back in 2011 for the Fairtry I. She was a stern trawler / factory freezer, processing the catch at sea.
Anyway, I hope to make a start on it this coming winter. %)
Regards,
Ray.
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know comes the dirty part car bodge, outside work plus overalls and mask for the sanding.
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The first photo is after half day sanding then more filler added to start getting the shape
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Thats starting to look really good - what a quick way to build a plug!
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Topic moved and renamed :-)
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Topic moved and renamed :-)
Cheers Martin :-))
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So nice to see the Master at work again if anything just me modelling and try to inprouth to make the next one better then the last it's watching your skill thank you Brian.
Regards Howard.
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So nice to see the Master at work again if anything just me modelling and try to inprouth to make the next one better then the last it's watching your skill thank you Brian.
Regards Howard.
Thank you Howard, it will be a totally new ball game when i start on the mould. I have just spent over £300 on materials but never mind if it all goes pair shaped i can always make the moulds into flower pot containers.
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More sanding, then primer added to show any blemishes before it gets the ok
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You've chosen another very interesting subject to model Brian, that stern gantry will be a real challenge!.
However, first things first, creating the mould - and you're well on the way to starting that. :-))
Regards,
Ray.
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Interesting 'goatee' under the bulb... grounding reinforcement?
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Interesting 'goatee' under the bulb... grounding reinforcement?
Martin I will pack with chopped strand mat to reinforce the mould :-))
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Yes Ray you are right I think this build will give me a few headache's, I will post photos on the mould construction when it gets under way.
[/size]As you have no doubt seen I am doing mods on my tug hull, I am going to try and make a mould of her before I ruin the trawler plug.
[/size]While this is all going on I have another project going on in the back ground, she is a 1/30 scale shelter deck trawler of the OUR LASS 3
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Interesting 'goatee' under the bulb... grounding reinforcement?
That's the keel Martin , all the bigger boats are built with that step in them now , the box keel is filled with lead to keep the inside of the hull clear for equipment and , in the case of the Research , bigger tanks for holding fish. These tank boats all have 12 large refrigerated sea water tanks to hold Herring/Mackerel/Blue Whiting , normal ratio is 40% water 60% fish and the water is recirculated to keep the fish fresh.
Engine room is large on these boats so they have the space for huge chilling units to keep the fish fresh.
(http://trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/data/681/medium/img179.jpg)
^^ Tanks kept empty in harbour , tanks filled with water so it can be chilled only once they are out of the harbour(http://trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/data/681/medium/research5.jpg)(http://trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/data/681/medium/research_1.jpg)(http://trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/data/681/medium/research_2.jpg)
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Thats the old Research Davie, I am building the new vessel.
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Not a lot of photos of the new one around that can be linked to ( quite a few on private groups on facebook though )
The new boat is stunning
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Yes she looks great Davie :-)) I have been given lots of info on her. Really looking forward to this build I want to totally build her from scratch from the plans, the plug is taking shape I hope every thing goes as well with the mould and making the hull.
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Nothing stopping me know, after getting the mould off the Stvens Arctic plug with a little friendly persuasion, I have started to wax up the Trawler plug. up to now she has had 8 coats of wax, hopefully today I will be putting on the gel coat then its first glass coat.
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Just a small update on the plug, port side glassed and former remove ready for glassing starboard side
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Just a small update on the trawler removed the plug from the mould today. It came out no problem, next job laying up the hull.
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Looks good to me. :-))
Regards,
Ray.
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Looks good to me. :-))
Regards,
Ray.
Cheers Ray she is progressing, hopefully I will get down to start building a model once I get the hull out.
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I admire you guys building a plug, then a mould then taking a moulding. That's dedication and for me building three times over! Do you sell on more mouldings after or leave them as one-offs?
Rich
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Just building the trawler as a one off Rich, I have been looking for a Pelagic Trawler hull around 1/50 scale for quite some time but I could not find anyone that did one, so I started emailing builders and owners of this type of vessel. eventually it came up trumps I received the the info I needed to build the RESEARCH LK 62
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Hi, yes it's a lot of work so far. Very admirable.
I was actually in Denholm Seafoods in Peterhead a few times in my last job and what these boats can bring in in terms of tonnage, and revenue in one unloading is just immense. They are quite awesome floating machines in their own right, no wonder the cost of them! Nothing like a regular trawler can output by order of several magnitude.
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/9reid9/albums/72157713846958926
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Great set if photos, godsend if you are building her. First time I have seen a ballroom for a bridge. Excellent. nemesis
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Did I really spot a tropical fish aquarium in what I assume is the crew's mess? Is it just me or is that slightly bizarre in a fishing boat?
Maybe it is just me. Or maybe it isn't an aquarium. %%
Greg
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Looks like a flat panel monitor set up to display fish , wouldn't be a fish tank aboard , these boats only work a maximum 4 months a year on very strict quotas so be a bit of a pain to have to go down every day to feed fish lol
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After looking at those photos of the work decks I hope you like soldering Brian. ok2
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Great photos Davie, I have quite a lot of detailed deck photos on the Research that a friend let me have I'm looking forward to the build, I will be pulling the hull out of the mould tomorrow :-))
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Did I really spot a tropical fish aquarium in what I assume is the crew's mess? Is it just me or is that slightly bizarre in a fishing boat?
Maybe it is just me. Or maybe it isn't an aquarium. %%
Greg
Looked more like one of those living fire units (no fire just an illusion unit), the rest look like 50" TV's, Nice work place but the concept of taking so much out in each trip is not sustainable unless the area is managed and the stocks replenish in excess of whats taken - just my opinion.
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Removed the hull from the plug today I'm really pleased the way she has turned out.
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Wow,
Now that is a cracking hull
Well done Brian.
You just have to decide which model to build.
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Well impressed - congratulations mate :-))
Regards,
Ray.
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Hi Brian nice job did you get that felling of satisfaction when it came out of the plug, What now is it full ahead on the Research or is it a little bit on both Stevens and Research happy building and stay safe look forward to seeing your progress which ever one you do like I said before its a pleasure and inspiration to watch your builds all the best mate.
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The screen in contention before is a faux fireplace! Actually I'm amazed at the layout of this In general, the crew quarters look really good andcand nicely laid out but these boats are well known for it.
One or 2 questions if you don't mind as I'm in inyrigued from the flicker link -my perspective has only been before o the wharf looking up from the quayside at denhholm seafoods bit in Peterhead.. there are carousels and pumps which look like they are deployed subsea. Bend restrictors. Nothing looks like it ties in with my experience offshore though I know these boats carry little ROVs. Also I know some boats carry fish pumps but I can't see anything quite big enough in here? Absolutely fascinating on equipment. I been in the processing plant often enough to understand the discharge from these boats.
....sorry for my questions! Nice moulding!
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Hi Brian nice job did you get that felling of satisfaction when it came out of the plug, What now is it full ahead on the Research or is it a little bit on both Stevens and Research happy building and stay safe look forward to seeing your progress which ever one you do like I said before its a pleasure and inspiration to watch your builds all the best mate.
It was a great feeling with both the hulls as I took them from the mould, another part of modelling that I'm happy with know, I have always been a bit apprehensive about working with glass fibre as i have a chest problem but with an industrial mask and good ventilation it worked out OK. (I won't be turning hulls out for a living LOL) As far as the models go I will be building them together up to deck level and then concentrate on either the Trawler or the Tug :-))
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The screen in contention before is a faux fireplace! Actually I'm amazed at the layout of this In general, the crew quarters look really good andcand nicely laid out but these boats are well known for it.
One or 2 questions if you don't mind as I'm in inyrigued from the flicker link -my perspective has only been before o the wharf looking up from the quayside at denhholm seafoods bit in Peterhead.. there are carousels and pumps which look like they are deployed subsea. Bend restrictors. Nothing looks like it ties in with my experience offshore though I know these boats carry little ROVs. Also I know some boats carry fish pumps but I can't see anything quite big enough in here? Absolutely fascinating on equipment. I been in the processing plant often enough to understand the discharge from these boats.
....sorry for my questions! Nice moulding!
Hi RST this is the first time I have attempted a Pelagic Trawler and it will be a totally new learning curve lots to learn, I know my way around Tugs but Trawlers will be a new experience, the last time i had anything to do with fishing was 55 years ago and that was on board the Ben Glass a side trawler owned by Richard Ervin from North Shields, I quickly learned that this was not the carrier for me
(a lot easier ways to make a living, I take my hat off to these guys )
I have attached a couple of photos showing the fish pumps system.
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'tis fish pumps then. Used to sell that kind of stuff for (onshore) use. I always felt sorry for the fish going through though they come out of the other end supposedly quite unhurt, or the mortality rate is acceptable.
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A small update on the hull, bulwarks trimmed and rubbing strakes added
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Good work on those bulwarks Brian, must be a bit of a nightmare getting those to the correct shape. :o
Incidentally, I also started in the fishing as deckie-learner aboard the Ben Glas, probably about 6 years after you as I was about 17yrs old at the time. :-))
Regards,
Ray.
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Good work on those bulwarks Brian, must be a bit of a nightmare getting those to the correct shape. :o
Incidentally, I also started in the fishing as deckie-learner aboard the Ben Glas, probably about 6 years after you as I was about 17yrs old at the time. :-))
Regards,
Ray.
Its a small world Ray, both my mates were on the same trawler, they both ended up as first mates years later.
she is starting to take shape, the thin strips along the top i left on as they join onto the wheelhouse superstructure :-))
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Got a start adding a bit detail with the hull, bow deck and runners dry fitted I won't be able to make this permanent until I have made the bow thrusters, I have cut the holes through the hull for stern and bow thrusters. I also made the prop shaft as I will be fitting the nozzle and prop over the new couple of days, the prop is 70mm supplied by Simon from Protean Design, excellent quality as usual from Simon.
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Also got a bit done to my shelter deck trawler.
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Hi Brian nice work that foredeck must have been a bit of a pain I think looking at the superstructure your going to have some frustrating times ahead of you cheers all the best keep up the good work.
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Hi Brian nice work that foredeck must have been a bit of a pain I think looking at the superstructure your going to have some frustrating times ahead of you cheers all the best keep up the good work.
Cheers Towrope, I think you are right about the superstructure, but never mind you know me I like a challenge. Hopefully starting on her becker rudder today, I have just received a good photo of the rudder and nozzle from a friend who has supplied me with a lot of info on the Research.
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Hi all been doing a bit on the Trawler over the last few days, stern thruster done and fitted nozzle fitted and becker rudder made.
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Those becker rudders are tricky things to get right, so it's good to see your result - nice work Brian. :-))
Regards,
Ray.
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Those becker rudders are tricky things to get right, so it's good to see your result - nice work Brian. :-))
Regards,
Ray.
Cheers Ray
I had to alter it a couple of times but got there in the end :-))
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started to build the bow thruster today the photos show the progress, hopefully get the motor mount made tomorrow.
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Another showing the extension tubes in place
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Just love watching the Master at work.
Regards Howard
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Just love watching the Master at work.
Regards Howard
Cheers Howard :-))
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Fantastic work looking forward to watching her develop.
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Hi Brian nice bit of work did you manage to have the stern thruster working or is it just for visual affect looks a bit tight to have it working
take care and be safe
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I have just caught up with your build Brian and I really like the mould and quality of the process.
I appreciate you not wanting to make them as a product but with the mould being so good, could it not be sold for further use by a company?
I look forward to your build log and progress :-))
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Hi Brian nice bit of work did you manage to have the stern thruster working or is it just for visual affect looks a bit tight to have it working
take care and be safe
just for visual effect, it would be nice to have the stern truster working but as you have noticed its quite tight. I am trying to have her looking more or less like the Research. The stern thruster sits just above the keel on the research but on the model it would be a bit of a headache as the main prop shaft runs over the top of the thruster. :-)) [size=78%] [/size]
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I have just caught up with your build Brian and I really like the mould and quality of the process.
I appreciate you not wanting to make them as a product but with the mould being so good, could it not be sold for further use by a company?
I look forward to your build log and progress :-))
I have had a few enquiries about a hull but I have decided not to sell any hulls until after I have made the model, then I will give it some thought.
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thanks for that Brian thought it would be a bit tight I know your more than capable but it would give you a head ache trying and with having the Becker rudder I don't think you would gain much in the water
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A bit more progress today, fitted the bow thruster and cut out the port and starboard keels also decided to get at start on the bow thrusters for the other two models I'm building
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Thats one of them done, one more to go :-))
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very good Brian the shipyard must be looking very full with three on the slipways and all the relevant bits ready to go keep up the good work
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I have been adding a bit more detail to the hull today, I had plans to fit the bow thruster into the Arctic but thought i would make a start on the Trawler wash ports instead ( very time consuming 18 on each side
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Started work on the inside of the hull, the deck I that you see in the photos is the main net drum deck. When the model is finished the net drums will be visible along with quite a bit of detail, I am building a removable hatch under the net drums just case of any breakdown with the rudder linkage.
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You must of had the night shift on Brian looking good the amount of detail on that thing is really going to test your patient's keep up the good work
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Managed to get a bit more done on the hull over the last couple of days.
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A bit more done, fitted a batterie box at this stage as once I start adding more detail it would not be as easy. The box holds two 150 x 100mm and one 100 x 65mm batteries. I did a water test to check for ballast with the two bigger batteries and she still sits well above her water line :-))
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A small update the decks are dry fitted, they will be secured at a later date as a lot of detail has to be done before they can be secured
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She's looking solid Brian - I wouldn't expect anything else, going by your previous builds.
Coming along nicely. :-)
Regards,
Ray.
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Really starting to come on now Brian some great detail you can start to see it take shape keep up the good work
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Thanks for the positive comments lads, I have managed to get a bit more detail added to the stern over the last couple of days :-))
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Am watching and enjoying as always Brian.
Regards Howard.
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Those vertically oriented protective bars must have tried your patience but they look great :-))
... and so close together as well!
Regards,
Ray.
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Those vertically oriented protective bars must have tried your patience but they look great :-))
... and so close together as well!
Regards,
Ray.
They were a bit of a headache Ray but worth it in the long run :-))
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Am watching and enjoying as always Brian.
Regards Howard.
Pleased your enjoying the build Howard :-))
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Nice build :-)
Is it possible to move the sterngate/roller up and down?
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Nice build :-)
Is it possible to move the sterngate/roller up and down?
Thanks RuneG, the stern gate is fixed as I did not see any advantage for the gate to drop. I will be putting a lot of detail onto the main net drum deck this will be seen from above.
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A bit more progress, I decided to put on her first coat of primer to see how much more rubbing down was needed, quite pleased with the outcome the hours i have spent rubbing down has paid off :-))
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That coat of primer shows her lines off beautifully - shows your quality workmanship nicely as well O0
Regards,
Ray.
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That coat of primer shows her lines off beautifully - shows your quality workmanship nicely as well O0
Regards,
Ray.
Thanks Ray
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Looks a bit of a beast have you worked out what the total weight is going to be when complete Brian, looking forward to seeing the superstructure and the detail going on nice work
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I wondered the same in a glancing thought a few weeks back, then after today's question......looked again :o at the hull on the garden furniture & thought maybe 35 to 40kg?
Then remembered I had read the hull size & scale some time earlier
The vessel was listed as 16.2 metric tonnes and the scale was 1:60
Hope the batteries in my solar powered ABACUS are charged up
....so....16200 divided by the cube root of scale = 75kg .!!!!!!!! O0
Derek
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Ballast question, when I first made the hull i checked her out in the bath (she just fit LOL) 25kg took her near enough to her water line. I decided at that stage she would need some permanent ballast, I fitted 12kg of lead under the net drum deck and two 12AH batteries 4kg each placed forward from midships and a 2kg block of lead was placed in the bow section, she was put back in the bath at this and she looked OK, I still have plenty of manoeuvrability for all the deck fittings she has. :-))
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Sorry Chip %% .......just cannot rely on these Chinese batteries in my Solar Powered ABACUS >>:-( [or maybe an early morning typo on my part?]
Appears your trial ballasting of 25kg was pretty close :-)) ...
Derek
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The real trawler is 3862gt ( 80m overall length x 16m beam x 7.7m draft ) Derek and closer to 5200gt when full of fish.... your looking at a fishing trawler with a displacement close to that of the Type 23 Frigates but 53m shorter !!
Biggest trawler in the world though is the old Atlantic Dawn built for Ireland and now Dutch owned called the Annelies Ilena and she's 144.7m x 24.3m x 11.4m and 14,055gt empty and can carry 7,500t of fish....
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Morning Gents,
I have said it before and I'll say it again when will Martin put you in the Master build section where you truly deserve to be Brian
If anyone keeps me going and wanting to improve my modelling skills it's you Brian.
Regards Howard. :-))
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Sorry Chip %% .......just cannot rely on these Chinese batteries in my Solar Powered ABACUS >>:-( [or maybe an early morning typo on my part?]
Appears your trial ballasting of 25kg was pretty close :-)) ...
Derek
:-))
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I'm not sure what gross tonnage has to play with it as that is not really associated with displacement, nor solar power or abacuses but as I'm interested in this in the background I also worked out from curiosity beforehand it was somewhere about 30kg from what I could glean on-line from the model dimensions or the real thing but I might have been a bit high on guestimate block co-efficient. Never the less, a very impressive model it will make. I continue to watch in the background thanks! It reminds me standing watching the big boats moored at Peterhead (Denholm), while I was a few minutes quayside mobbing my adjacent DSV on the north Breakwater.