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Title: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: raflaunches on May 15, 2020, 10:31:44 AM
Hi everyone

With the lockdown affecting us all and I have a bit more time at work (at times!) adopting new shift patterns to allow for social distancing, I decided to buy a kit to build at work in my Brize Norton Barrack Block. I decided on the Manxman kit which I have eyed up since it was released about 15 years ago. after a nice chat with Ron he sold me a prototype kit with new laser cut parts for the superstructures and decks replacing the the old but familiar pre-printed plastic that we have grown to be accustomed to from Deans Marine. There were a few corrections required but this is why he asked if I could trial fit the new parts so when it becomes available later this year your versions will be okay.

A bit of history firstÖ

HMS Manxman was one of the Abdiel class Fast Minelayer used famously in the Second World War. The class were split into two sub-classes, the first four: Abdiel, Manxman, Welshman, and Latonia were armed with three twin four inch guns whilst the later two vessels, Apollo and Ariadne only had two. They were ordered after experience in WW1 and a couple of failed attempts to produce a fast minelayer (HMS Adventure) between the wars. The Royal Navy ordered the first four ships in 1938, with a further two acquired as part of the War Emergency Programme
. They were specifically designed for the rapid laying of minefields in enemy waters, close to harbours or sea lanes. As such they were required to be very fast and to possess sufficient anti-aircraft weaponry to defend themselves if discovered by enemy aircraft.
A large load of up to 150 mines was required to be carried under cover, therefore a long, flushdecked hull with high freeboard was required. The mines were laid through doors in the sterns; the ships carried their own cranes for loading.
In size these ships were almost as long as a cruiser but laid out much like a large destroyer but the three straight funnels were an instant identifying feature.  Welshman was disguised as the French super destroyer ĎLeopardí with her funnels being modified with funnel caps and suitable paint work to change her appearance. Top speed was specified as 40 knots (74 km/h). To achieve this they were given a full cruiser set of machinery and with an installed output of 72,000 shaft horsepower (54,000 kW) on two shafts, they made 39.75 knots (73.62 km/h) light and 38 knots (70 km/h) deep load. To put this into perspective, the contemporary Town-class cruisers had 80,000 shp (60,000 kW) and a full load displacement of 12,980 tons, just short of four times that of the Abdiels.
The ships were initially to be armed much as destroyers, with three twin HA/LA Mark XIX mounts for QF 4-inch (100 mm) L/45 Mark XIV guns, with an elevation of 70į, in 'A', 'B' and 'X' positions, a quadruple "multiple pom-pom" mounting Mark VIII for the QF 2pdr Mk VIII and a pair of quadruple 0.5in Vickers Machine Guns. Wartime modifications involved adding a Type 279 radar at the masthead, a primitive metric wavelength air warning set, later replaced by a Type 286 then aType 291, as they became available. A Type 285 was fitted to the rangefinder-director on the bridge, this was a metric set and could provide target ranging and bearing information. The centimetric Type 272, a target indication radar with plan position indicator (PPI), was fitted to the front leg of the foremast. Following the loss of Latona to air attack, the surviving ships were re-armed to remedy the shortcomings in anti-aircraft defence. Six single Oerlikon 20mm cannons were initially added on P Mark III pedestal mountings, although these were later replaced by powered twin Mark V mountings. Ariadne and Apollo had two twin Mark IV "Hazemeyer" mountings for Bofors 40mm guns sited amidships, replacing the pom-pom in 'Q' position, and these mounts carried their own Type 282 Radar for target ranging; Ariadne had an additional "Hazemeyer" mounting in 'B' position, replacing the 4-inch guns. In July 1945, Ariadne was refitted in the United States for far eastern service, when the Bofors mounts were replaced by American pattern models (Mark I) with off-mounting "simple tachymetric directors" (STD) fitted with Type 282 and the Oerlikon mounts regunned with Bofors guns (this combination was known as the "Boffin").

Information from Wikipedia and Very Special Ships by Arthur Nicholson

The build so far has concentrated on the new laser cut parts which is why the usual running gear has not been fitted yet. The two main deck pieces are new laser cut items which I trial fitted with a little bit of trimming required at the stern and bow ends by a couple of millimetres just to sit nicely inside the GRP hull.
The forward superstructure is made up from laser cut  parts with the forward gun blast shields and side screens. The main bridge and crew shelter fit nicely together and the the strange boxes behind the superstructure are the RDF cabin and the Engine Room Vent which were slightly modifed to fit. The bridge wings or signal platforms I managed were fun and I left overnight to completely set the glue to ensure no mis-alignments. The kit is also perfect for super detailing which I will show later on once I have confirmed that all the new parts fit without any problems. The fittings pack is certainly comprehensive and I will show in the next update so you can see the 4 inch gun mounts and derrick bases. Enjoy.
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: ballastanksian on May 15, 2020, 02:41:12 PM

I built the Airfix kit of this ship years ago and was impressed with the performance then.


You have made a great start Nick. I'm looking forward to the next instalment  :-))
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: Rob47 on May 17, 2020, 09:50:29 PM

Nick
Look forward to this build, always fascinated me as a group of ships.


Sunny Brize, not far from me.


Bob
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: raflaunches on May 21, 2020, 12:53:43 PM
A bit more work done, aft superstructure is now built up and three funnel halves temporarily placed to see how it looks. Very enjoyable build so far with very little adjustment on the new laser cut parts.
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: ballastanksian on May 22, 2020, 08:41:07 PM

Are those halves of the funnels Nick? Grp I presume??


Looking bobbydazzlious :)
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: raflaunches on May 22, 2020, 09:12:21 PM
Thanks Ian


Certainly enjoying the build and Iíve got some new pictures thanks to Allnightin which will help with some detailing.
The funnel halves are vacform items which cut very nicely, just got to glue them together.
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: ballastanksian on May 25, 2020, 06:42:28 PM
That's good to hear as Vac formed kits can be challenging. I built a model of an Albacore some years back (Fleet Air arm got to drop nasty things on the DAK when their carriers were in Alex  :-) ) and that was actually quite fun. I scratch built some bits like struts because they were too one sided in vac plastic. Keep up the good work old chap :)
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: raflaunches on May 25, 2020, 07:35:49 PM
I donít mind vacform items any more, Iíve built a few aircraft kits now and got used to how you cut and glue them together. Both forward funnels on my Invincible are entirely vacform modified items from a Dreadnought kit.
Bit more work on Manxman this week coming as Iíll be on half shifts so Iíll be working on the kit on Tuesday and Thursday providing I donít get called in to work of course!
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: Georgeconna on May 28, 2020, 10:55:10 AM
Excellent, Delighted some one is making this, It was one ship that caught my eye on the Deans Marine web site especially the colour scheme.


I'll grab my pop corn and pull up a chair if you don't mind.

Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: ballastanksian on May 29, 2020, 01:07:04 PM
Excellent, Delighted some one is making this, It was one ship that caught my eye on the Deans Marine web site especially the colour scheme.


I'll grab my pop corn and pull up a chair if you don't mind.



Too right, as many of these builds are epics  :}
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: mudway on May 30, 2020, 01:11:24 AM
A possible source of extra income for Deans could be in 1/72 scale. Christian in Gib does the hull in that scale.


Could there be a market for 1/72 superstructures if it means just dialling the cutter by 1/3rd to cut at 1/72?
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: dougal99 on May 30, 2020, 04:14:00 PM
1:96 is smaller than 1:72. The change factor required is 1.33.  :-))
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: mudway on May 31, 2020, 02:01:08 AM
1:96 is smaller than 1:72. The change factor required is 1.33.  :-))


Dialling as in dialling up be 1/3 which is what the Shapeway guys do for those of us who build 1/72!
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: pokherman on June 11, 2020, 10:45:29 AM
Good looking boat the Manxman. I too am building one. although i think yours is going a lot better than mine has lol.. Im up to starting the railings now. all radio gear is installed. and some of the painting has been done. If i could work out how to post a pic or two i would show. but I dont want to impose from the main man's build log here lol


I will be watching this build with interest,
Ian
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: raflaunches on June 11, 2020, 06:23:01 PM
Hi Ian


I have PM'd you and hopefully helped to answer your question. Keep and eye on this thread over the weekend as I'll give a visual example of my explanation.
Glad you like what you are seeing, the new laser cut parts are very good, I've had to correct some dimensions for Ron but that was the point of the trial build for him. I've almost finished the plastic laser cut parts and will start detailing soon with fittings and the extra bits and pieces I intend to scratch build from plastic card scrap and wire. The Abdiel class minelayer is a very handsome vessel and I have always had a liking for them but only recently I decided to make one.
Keep up your excellent work and I hope to see your model one day.
All the best


Nick
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: pokherman on June 12, 2020, 08:17:00 AM
I hope the Main man dont mind me doing so. delete if its too far.


I just thought i would show my effort so far.. I'll post a separate topic if people like, to show what I have also done with my kit ? being that mine was the none updated kit.


Looks like you had a easier time building the super structures lol. Although the plastic card was printed on, I had to do all the cutting etc myself.


My farther has brought a new updated Nubian kit from deans. we have had our issues with the new lazer cut parts etc, but Ron is a Top bloke and adjustments have been made and now we are pressing on with it. and its not turning out too bad.
Anyway. let me know if you lot think i should post about my kit.. I wont do a build log it will just be mostly pictures for all to pick holes in lol.. Im no where near as good as most peoples efforts ive seen on here, and i consider myself a complete novice when it comes to rc boats.. probably why its taking me so long!! :}



Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: raflaunches on June 12, 2020, 08:55:07 AM
Hi Ian


Great to see youíve got your photos uploaded :-))


Iím think youíre being very modest- your work is excellent and I know many modellers would aspire to that standard of build and paint.
Keep up the excellent job
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: pokherman on June 12, 2020, 09:14:02 AM
Hi Ian


Great to see youíve got your photos uploaded :-))


Iím think youíre being very modest- your work is excellent and I know many modellers would aspire to that standard of build and paint.
Keep up the excellent job


Thank you for your kind words.. But believe it or not. it is my first war ship build..  Im thinking i might take on something like the IOWA class next, but thats another story.. might be out of my league.. Ill do another post like i said, and let peps pick holes lol.. to me my boat looks a little too clean, what with the lines etc. maybe its just me,, Like i said, ill let people judge for them selves lol..


It will be interesting to see how you install and see what you are going to motorise.. I have the turrets moving and the pom poms. The top radar will go round, although the real one only rotated left and right. I have servo morphs on the turrets to slow them down, and me being me did something different to help with the turrets rotation.. I used a toothed pully system i thought up. rather than just mounting the servo underneath the turrets, my thoughts were what if the servo break? how do i get it out. and also that the standard servos dont really turn that far, without modifying or buying a winch servo ( expensive ) most servos will only turn 180 in full travel, so i used a large pully on the servo and a much smaller one on the turret, connected with a 3m toothed belt, it meant i could move the servo to a place i could remove it if i ever had to, using the pulleys added to the amount of rotation you would get from the servo.. any way, the pictures will give it a better explanation. and i still have a long way to go.


Still Im looking forward to seeing your progress with the new kit .  :-))


And thank-you for your help with the picture upload, simple really lol..


Ian
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: raflaunches on June 13, 2020, 02:07:50 PM
Hi Ian


Iíll keep everyone update with my build which usually happens during the weekdays for this model as it lives in my barrack block.
Hopefully youíll be able to see my explanation looks like in practice with the attached photos Iíve just done.
It takes a bit of practice to get the heat and the amount of pressure so Iíd practice a couple of stanchions on some spare plastic card before touching the model. Iíve placed my practice piece on my HMS Invincible model so you can see what I meant about which way the stanchions are positioned compared the wire running the length of the deck side.
I hope this helps.
All the best


Nick
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: pokherman on June 13, 2020, 02:32:20 PM
Hello Nick.. thanks again. It explains a lot. One other question.. it you look at the end of the brass photo etch. Next to the stanchions. You will c another set that have another leg as such.. where do these go? Are they supports of such.. I know the question is put simple wise but still. If you don't ask you don't know lol
Ian
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: Rob47 on June 13, 2020, 02:37:07 PM





Ian they are support and they are fitted every so often (forget the exact spacing) but if you search RN ships you will more than likely see them HTH


Bob


Hello Nick.. thanks again. It explains a lot. One other question.. it you look at the end of the brass photo etch. Next to the stanchions. You will c another set that have another leg as such.. where do these go? Are they supports of such.. I know the question is put simple wise but still. If you don't ask you don't know lol
Ian
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: raflaunches on June 13, 2020, 02:44:21 PM
Hi Ian


As Bob says they are spaced for every so many normal uprights to one support. Iíve just measured my Invincible battlecruiser plan and it appears to vary in 1/96 scale from 11cm apart to 5cm apart. I think it depends on the superstructure and fittings that the stanchions have to go around will dictate how often they are positioned.
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: ballastanksian on June 13, 2020, 03:29:18 PM

If stock fencing etc is to go by, they are to help keep several tens of feet of reasonably taut wire straight and stanchions upright(ish). Naturally, when the ship is in action its all folded down out or inboard and tension goes out the window.


I am using Horse tail hair for my wire railings and keeping it tight does cause the end stanchions to bend in and the line of stanchions around curves to lean in. I will be adding supports every so often for realistic purposes!


Re your straight lines etc Ian, They might have been painted by hand following chalk lines drawn by a Petty Officer, and thus imparting some roughness, but at scale, you cannot shrink yourself down to recreate this, so straight lines are more than acceptable. Any camo scheme gets my thumbs up  :D


You are doing a fine job with your build and, as I say often: It's your hobby. do it how you want to, that's the most important thing. If you make models for a living, or enter models in competitions then yes, they will be judged, but otherwise plough your own furrow mate  :-))
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: pokherman on June 14, 2020, 04:51:25 PM





Hi and Thank-you people for all of the info you have shared, It has helped me no end.


I thought I would post a couple of pics of my efforts regarding Hand rails. see what you think.


Ian
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: raflaunches on June 14, 2020, 06:38:41 PM
Hi Ian


Excellent job of your stanchions. I use a mixture depending on the model- Iíve used turned brass versions on different models but they are not cheap when they only come in packs of 20. Adds up when you need 400 of them! But if they come in the kit, as these do, I use them wherever possible.
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: pokherman on June 14, 2020, 08:28:02 PM
Thank you for your kind words lol..


I was looking at the turned ones, but my pockets are not that deep !!  still back to you sir.. How did you get on with your build??  did you get much done??


Ian
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: raflaunches on June 14, 2020, 09:38:42 PM
Hi Ian


Yes not cheap but they do look good on certain models.
I havenít done anything on Manxman as itís on my work address bench which gives me something to build in the evening. I used to transport my models between work and home but I stopped a few years back after a disastrous accident where the model I was building got caught between two double doors in my barrack block at Marham and the upper works were ripped off. So I tend to keep one at work (Manxman) and more at home (Invincible and Tiger with the occasional bit of work on MV Norland).
More updates coming tomorrow night and Wednesday night providing I donít get called in off Standby.
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: ballastanksian on June 15, 2020, 07:37:51 PM

TIGER?  :o You dark horse you! And a cruiser as well? Blimey, what a fleet!!


Oh, Post war Tiger IIRC.
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: pokherman on June 30, 2020, 07:35:16 AM
I was really hoping for some updated photos of this build lol.. where are you ???  :} :}
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: raflaunches on June 30, 2020, 09:54:20 AM
Yeah, I kind of hoped Iíd get some work done on Manxman last week but the C-130J Hercules fleet had other plans- more bird strikes, recovery from lightning strikes, and a mysterious fault as to why the engines wouldnít start on one of them meant I was working 12 hour shifts swapping from line work to rectification work and back again! So inconsiderate of the great green flying skips! {-)


Hopefully this week will be quieter and the Manxman will be worked upon. :-))
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: ballastanksian on June 30, 2020, 10:25:39 AM
Was the battery flat on the Herc that wouldn't start?
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: raflaunches on June 30, 2020, 10:31:17 AM
If only it was that simple! :}
It turned out to be the mission control computers not talking to each other! At least it turned in to a Avionics snag instead of a mechanical one!
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: ballastanksian on June 30, 2020, 11:03:36 AM
Hm, not something for a multimeter and a battery fluid test pipette then  {:-{
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: raflaunches on June 30, 2020, 02:40:46 PM
More like black square box out, replacement black square box in... followed by hours of functional testing! You certainly wouldnít want to mess around with two aircraft batteries (28v and probably four times larger than a car battery!) :-)
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: pokherman on June 30, 2020, 04:08:28 PM
sounds like you have had your hands full then lol...


Ive been trying to rebuild the kitchen for the last 2 weeks
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: ballastanksian on June 30, 2020, 08:46:20 PM
sounds like you have had your hands full then lol...


Iv'e been trying to rebuild the kitchen for the last 2 weeks


I hope it doesn't involve black boxes pokherman?


Yup, I think those batteries might tip my car sideways if installed.
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: ivorthediver on July 10, 2020, 08:39:06 PM
Good work Guys , I built mine  [ Pun intended ]  2009 as my return to modelling and it took a while but after overcoming several er errors in detail you might say or misinformation , it turns out fine
Like you I had two areas which were very tiresome i.e. railings and etch brass work but got around those problems as you do ....
 
Mine was also RC and sailed very well and added Action units which included sound units , L e d's as signal lamps and a smoke unit under a section of gutter linked to the three funnels which whilst being a shoe horn job turned out well .


Bad side was the etch brass which I found a pain in the **** but a great model that looked brilliant and ran well on two 380 motors ......good luck and most say your railings are better than mine were  :-))
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: pokherman on July 11, 2020, 09:30:44 AM
Thanks for the input on the railings.. I have done more to them, although not as much as I wanted, been having kitchen renovated so only had an hour or so here and there.. I won't post My more pics here as I don't want to act like a topic stealer..I'm going to get a program that will make a picture story of my progress and share that some how..
And I must agree with you the etchings are a real pain in the #£_& lol..
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: raflaunches on July 11, 2020, 10:07:28 AM
Hi pokherman


No worries mate, Iíve given all the feedback to Ron regarding the new lasercut plastic but whilst work is getting in the way of modelling again (I might be on the cusp of getting my third stripe so I have to play ball!) and I am currently finishing off a model I was building for Model Boats magazine before it was put on hold which I need to finish off for the new editor. Fingers crossed that Iíll be re-starting the Manxman build in less than 2 weeks time. The LCM is almost done writing and building. :-))
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: pokherman on August 12, 2020, 09:18:12 AM
Has there been any more progress on the Manxman?
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: raflaunches on August 13, 2020, 03:14:38 PM
Hi everyone


But if work carried out on the Manxman over the last two days after this numbskull forgot this superglue! I had intended to finish off a build for Model Boats Magazine but the superglue forgetfulness has meant I could stick a few bits together on Manxman. The 0.5inch machine gun wings on the forward superstructure were added to each side. A bit of filler was added to blend the edges of the all the superstructures together and the range finder and 0.5inch machine guns were fetched out of the fittings tray and given some basic tidying up with a file.
The rear emergency conning position was constructed together- I had to refer to some pictures to understand how it went together but it made sense in the end!
Hopefully Iíll be on Manxman full time by the end of next week. :-))
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: pokherman on August 20, 2020, 10:28:23 AM
Looking really good there chap!!!


I have now arrived back home from our uk holiday so I too will be trying to make some progress on my Manxman build.. Im still searching for a program that will do a slide show of my build.. I dont really want to spend hours typing out what i have done process wise, as it has been what seems an age building this thing lol.. if anyone wants to ask questions they can lol..


I do have a question for you though..


do you know or trust what the instructions say on the motorboat and whaler etc for size wise??  the reason im asking is . I want to try and buy 3d printed versions, they look a lot better than what would be produced by the vac forms in the kit. ( this is not to knock the kit in anyway ) I just want to tidy some of the look up on the finished result.. the instructions say the motor boat is 25 foot, but gives no sizes for the other two, would you know any more details about them? or where i could find out?[size=78%]  [/size]


I have tried the website shapeways but to no result. they do a 26ft motor boat in 1/96. do you think i could use this and get away with it??   


I appreciate any input you give, and im enjoying seeing another Manxman kit coming to light.. you dont see many build logs an this kit for some reason lol  shes a pretty ship..
Ian
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: raflaunches on August 20, 2020, 09:46:14 PM
Hi Ian


Itís great to be back on Manxman too, my other project for Model Boats magazine is now finished so Manxman will take my full attention at work now.


The information on the ships boats are correct- a 25ft motor boat can be obtained from Quaycraft (usually via Model Dockyard in Truro or Cornwall Model Boats websites) and are made from resin. Very nice sets available in quite a few different scales. The whaler would be 27ft and are a standard Royal Navy ships boat and are available from Quaycraft too or on Shapeways from a designer called MicroMaster. Not cheap but look very good when painted up. I have yet to find a 3D printed 25ft motor boat.
Hope this helps and next update to my build will start next week. :-))
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: pokherman on August 20, 2020, 11:38:48 PM
Excellent !


Thanks for the info.. i will be looking at the sites you have sugested


Ian
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: pokherman on August 21, 2020, 12:48:25 AM
forgot to ask..


Have you any pics of this other build you did for the mag??


You have my email


Ian
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: colin-d on August 21, 2020, 05:16:14 AM
that a Boy Nick...  getting the priorities correctÖ back on to the Manxman, and Maybe just a Little work..  {-) {-)

i was contemplating whether to put this comment in this thread or put it in my Enchantress thread

Deansmarine also have resin ships boatsÖ there just not advertised..
on the left the Whaler, at the top the Dingy, and on the Right two different Version of the 25ft Motor boat, as a Little kit..
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: ballastanksian on August 21, 2020, 08:51:42 AM
Lovely Colin!


Hows the stripe hunting going Nick? What rank would that give you and does it come with a payrise? (Both well deserved by the way) Ignore the last question if it is being too nosey.
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: raflaunches on August 21, 2020, 09:07:54 AM
Hit and miss at the moment Ian!
My assessment (SJAR) is due next month regarding promotion prospects so Iíll find out in November or December if Iím in for a chance of getting that elusive third stripe. Iím doing most jobs of a Sergeant at the moment so it wouldnít be a big jump in responsibilities and unfortunately the pay is held for two years as technically Iíd be on probation until my SNCO courses are completed. Itís a strange system at times!


Iíve bought some Prop Shop props and some shafts so they will be exposed. Got some nice A frames to go with them too. Pictures to come next week.



Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: raflaunches on August 21, 2020, 09:10:22 AM
that a Boy Nick...  getting the priorities correctÖ back on to the Manxman, and Maybe just a Little work..  {-) {-)

i was contemplating whether to put this comment in this thread or put it in my Enchantress thread

Deansmarine also have resin ships boatsÖ there just not advertised..
on the left the Whaler, at the top the Dingy, and on the Right two different Version of the 25ft Motor boat, as a Little kit..





Iím getting my priorities correct, the model boating of course!
I remember now that Ron has some resin boats too, Iím always short of the 27ft whaler for some reason! :D
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: pokherman on August 21, 2020, 09:42:50 AM
O dear  {:-{


Ive now ordered the whaler from shapeways and the 16ft dingy from dock yard,


Bummer lol


looks like i will be ordering the 25ft motor boat from Deans then  %)   
i wish they would get their website up together lol  o well,
Still, I should be able to do some more to the boat today. does anyone know where i can buy some search lights that are 1.96th that will work on the Manxman kit?? I dearly i want them to work, my trouble is I know nothing about Navy things, I just like the boats and the building of them.. so in other words, as to what size the lights are in real terms and what sort they would be, Im at a dead end..  same as the green and blue light units either side of the bridge, ( if i have the colours right that is lol )
I could just put a bulb there but that would nt look right would it..


cant wait to see more pics..
Ian


o. ps,  congrats on the semi promotion !!
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: colin-d on August 21, 2020, 10:50:42 AM
So it will be two Sgt's talking to each other... {-)   and when does the flight com into the equation {-)


@Ian..
What I do is hollow the fittings out, then install a micro LED..
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: raflaunches on August 21, 2020, 12:14:03 PM
So it will be two Sgt's talking to each other... {-)   and when does the flight com into the equation {-)




When he gets told he can! After all, we know the military is run by the NCOs, officers only think they do... ;)
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: raflaunches on September 03, 2020, 10:17:21 PM
Update


I have fitted the updated running gear, I decided on having exposed prop shafts and used some custom made ones from SHG Models. The new props are lovely cast bronze items from Prop Shop as are the A-frames. Rudder is temporarily sitting in place but the shafts and A-frames are permanently attached using a mix of P38 and P40 car filler. Very pleased with the results.
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: pokherman on September 04, 2020, 03:30:45 PM
Looks really good!
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: raflaunches on September 15, 2020, 10:23:01 PM
Thanks Ian :-))


A bit more progress this evening. Iíve started to use the photo-etch parts from the kit, the windscreen which is very sturdy for a piece of PE brass. Iím using some etch brass eyebrows for the portholes which I believe Iíve had for a few years but canít quite remember where they are from! Using photo references Iíve started to add vents to the bridge superstructure using plastic strut.
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: colin-d on September 16, 2020, 06:42:28 AM
Coming along nicely. . :-))


Those porthole eyebrows might be from the group I bring over to the deansmarine open days..


I like the way of trying to hide the tin of paint...  {-) %% :D :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: pokherman on September 16, 2020, 08:53:11 AM
Nice detail to add with the port holes! And the vents.. I bought a book called "very special ships" to learn about these boats a little more.. have to say though.. there are no pictures of the Manxman with her dazzle effect in play.. buy on the flip side of that I do like the Abdiel dazzle effect.. very similar just sharper angles.. I'm waiting for parts to arrive for mine as I have ordered bits from micromaster.. hopping they will arrive soon.


Keep up the good work it's looking really good.
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: deadbeat on September 16, 2020, 12:51:14 PM
Many years ago I was considering this build so I collected a good few photos of the class and all but Manxman showed some dazzle pattern or other. All the photos of Manx showed her either with nothing or wearing the dummy hull shape on her side.

By the way instead of Manxman I built a 1/24 S100 S boat instead.
Keep up with the log, as I'm enjoying your build. I saw Manxman in Portsmouth just prior to scrapping and one of my bosses was Navigator on Manxman when she took part in a movie. I can't remember the name of it unfortunately.
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: pokherman on September 16, 2020, 01:50:24 PM
I think the film was " the king's sailer " or something like that.. I watched a clip of it a while a go. They had triple turrets on the front though 🤔🤔 so I think it was a mix of ships used possibly?
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: Akira on September 16, 2020, 11:16:40 PM
Very nice! I have always appreciated her look, and her history.
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: raflaunches on September 17, 2020, 09:44:02 PM
Glad everyone is liking the build so far. :-))
The bridge superstructure is being detailed with plastic strip around the conning position and the crew shelter for the forward upper twin 4 inch gun. The kit watertight doors are very nice and add a nice level of detail. Iíve loosely assembled the two forward twin 4-inch guns minus shields just to see how it all looks.

Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: ballastanksian on September 17, 2020, 10:08:23 PM
Looking great Nick!


Is the brass etch .5mm? I use it in one of the its I sell for rails on a Bedford Portee, and it is very rugged for it's thickness as you say. I was impressed when I first test fitted some.
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: raflaunches on September 17, 2020, 10:32:45 PM
Thanks Ian :-))


Just measured the brass and I think itís thinner than that possibly closer to 0.25mm. Itís amazingly tough though!
Iíll speak to Ron this weekend to find out about the actual brass and thickness as itís very impressive/ usually I struggle with PE!

Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: ballastanksian on September 18, 2020, 10:14:18 PM
.3mm rings a bell as a standard thickness available along with .5 and .75/.8mm. I assume there are thicker etch is available, but I expect t would cost a lot more as the etching is where the cost comes in. The more holes you want, the more it costs.
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: pokherman on September 19, 2020, 03:58:45 AM
I'd agree with that the etching is expensive.. I found that there was not enough Ladders in my sheet I had in my kit.. I was short by about 10 inches of it.. I couldn't believe that there was Ladders only one side of the boat, ie like the plans show. But I took a load of pictures of deans ship they have on the shelf. And yes to my belief there are indeed Ladders both sides of the boat in relevant places, another item on the etch sheet that there is a low number of is the support stanchions. I believe that they are probably a good 10 to 16 short as well.. if you are to go by scale. Then these are supposed to be in every 5th or 6th post. Again I can't do this so I'm having to make alternative decisions.. I'm hoping it is just my kit. Same as the brass wire for the railings and also the masks..
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: Allnightin on September 19, 2020, 09:52:23 AM
I'd agree with that the etching is expensive.. I found that there was not enough Ladders in my sheet I had in my kit.. I was short by about 10 inches of it.. I couldn't believe that there was Ladders only one side of the boat, ie like the plans show.


It might have been worth looking around for a generic set of ladders at a more reasonable price - these at Scalewarship perhaps:


https://www.scalewarship.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=82_74&product_id=108 (https://www.scalewarship.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=82_74&product_id=108)


On the subject of brass thickness for PE,  I used PPD Photoetch earlier this year to do the etching for me of a self drawn sheet of various items I needed for a WW2 destroyer in 1/200th.  They offer a wide range of thicknesses from 0.1mm up to 4mm typically increasing in 0.05 mm steps up to about 0.7mm.  As my model is a working one I went for 0.3mm in the end for robustness when handling it but this meant the minimum width of an etched item would have to be 0.4mm which was acceptable.


On costs, the total charge for a useable etched area of 27cm by 40cm was around £90 for a single sheet but each additional copy of that sheet would have only cost another £24 - over half the costs were the one-off costs for the set-up of the Photoetch mask.  It did take a while to master a suitable drawing software programme - Inkscape in my case - but it has opened a whole new field of possibilities for me in the future to produce what I need for a particular model.
Title: Re: Dean's Marine HMS Manxman upgrade lasercut plastic
Post by: JohnG on September 19, 2020, 04:09:12 PM
thanks for the ladders link - been keeping an eye out for similar... 


lovely to see the detail nick - inspiring...