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The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Navy - Military - Battleships: => Topic started by: midori gaoka on June 14, 2020, 01:04:57 pm
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Hello,
Now, my model "commandant l'Herminier" is completed. And why not to start a new model but from a foreign navy: the Royal Navy.
The other challenge is "how to move her ?" 2 voith schneider systems at 1/96 will be very interesting to build.
At first, I've received a jecobin plan. It was the first time I get a plan with so much details.
On the second photo, you should be able to see where voith will be.
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Given your previous gem of a ship, I look forward to your progress Midori :}
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thank you for your comments.
As you can see all the main bridge is removable.Full access to the voith schneiders is required.
I wanted to operate bow thrusters but it would have been too heavy.
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Hello,
As you can see in the last post. Voith schneider mechanism are already. I did not made it by my self but my brother did it. He is better than me in mechanic system.
So, on the photo, you will be able to see each part take place in each voith
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That is some fantastic drive engineering.
8) 8) 8)
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You can get some small, light bow thrusters on Shapeways. I use the 6mm version of the following on a 1/200th scale Smit London without any problems.
https://www.shapeways.com/product/34H64E487/bow-thruster-large-10mm-channel-diameter-driven?optionId=57441794&li=shops
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Thank your advice.
The front is on the way with a break water and some lockers above. In few days , I would like to paint the hull and the main bridge.
I 'm looking for the exact paint reference of the royal navy. But I did not find it . It's easier to find a good acrilyc paint when you have a R.A.L reference.
I had so much trouble with enamel ou humbrol paint. Soif some one give me a RAL reference, it coulb be a great help .
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You have made a lovely job on that front face.
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Thank you for your comment.
It's time to spend time to detail the 20 mm gun. It's not an easy design.
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Wow! That is a gorgeous weapons mount Midori :-))
Loads of detail.
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It’s a BSI number you want for the grey. Called light weather work grey can’t recall exact number but think BS 381C 676 is about right
Bob
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Thank you for your help.
Have you got the other reference for antifooling red and the deck grey ?
so, now the gun is already
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As per my last comments Midori. A super looking piece of modelmaking. You could put that on a base and it would look great as a stand alone model.
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For decks I have used either bSI381C 637 medium sea grey or BSI381C 638 dark sea grey
for anti fouling i have always used red car primer.
Bob
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Thank you for your help,
So, I'm back at work.
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Thank your advice.
The front is on the way with a break water and some lockers above. In few days , I would like to paint the hull and the main bridge.
I 'm looking for the exact paint reference of the royal navy. But I did not find it . It's easier to find a good acrilyc paint when you have a R.A.L reference.
I had so much trouble with enamel ou humbrol paint. Soif some one give me a RAL reference, it coulb be a great help .
BSI 381 676 Light weatherworks Grey is current RN grey colour
Bob
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Hello,
As you can see before, I 've completed the hyperbaric chamber. I did not find lots of photos about it, I wonder if it's grey or not.
Every part around are already
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I believe all NATO members have [size=0px]hyperbaric chambers [internal and external surfaces] painted in a white 2 Part Epoxy manufactured to MIL-Spec specifications[/size]
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[/size][size=0px]Our RAN [which is not a NATO signature] also has adopted this specification[/size]
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[/size][size=0px]Derek[/size]
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Having had to spend 3 hours a day for 40 days in a much larger chamber I can confirm that it was all white for hygiene reasons and that it is much easier for the operators to see if there is any foreign object inside or around. The 'crew' were very particular that nothing that could cause a spark was taken into the chamber.
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BS381C to RAL conversion chart..... https://www.e-paint.co.uk/Colour_alternatives.asp
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Having had to spend 3 hours a day for 40 days in a much larger chamber I can confirm that it was all white for hygiene reasons and that it is much easier for the operators to see if there is any foreign object inside or around. The 'crew' were very particular that nothing that could cause a spark was taken into the chamber.
Hi, Just asking out of interest having a background in my career of commercial sat diving (though not a diver!). I'm aware that commercial suppliers such as Divex supply to the military also, was that true for RN also? Presumably the RN doesn't have divers kept under sat but you're right in as much as hygeine inside a living chamber as far as I experienced is paramount and one thing about divers is they tend to make sure the living quarters are clean. Ear infections seemed to be one thing that could occur under sat. As for what's allowed inside I couldn't comment -in civvy street with the guys in there 28 days you might be surprised. I only went in to the chambers and the bell when they were surfaced and to be honest had a severe disiking each time. I believe the previous field engineers to me got put into the full suits and kirby morgan hats and thrown in at the national hyperbaric centre to get the experience, but that wasn't taken furrher. I have allot of respect for divers for what they do but not sure whether thay are crazy or just plain daft to do it!
I admire the little chamber posted! I don't know what it's like on the Sandown and I presume is's a treatment chamber but I can recognise most of the useful parts from it.
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Hello,
Thank you for your coments. Dear derekwarner, thank you for your help but i did not manage to open your photos.
It is time to take care of the wheelhouse. I've tried to represent the rivets around the windows
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So,after rhe wheelhouse, bridge around is needed. As you can see, i added some light as the real one. I've choosen soft yellow lights. They will have to be lighter than position lamp.
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Hello,
the second lockdown in France, is a real booster to my english mine hunter.
So , in this post, I ve taken some photos about mast and its roof.
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The top photo looks like an Escher staircase. %% It took me a while looking between the two photo to work it out. Fantastic work. O0
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Great work.
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The detail is fantastic Midori
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Thank you your each comment.
As you can see below, the wheelhouse did not have the windscreen wiper. So, I 've added it.In the next days, i' will paint motors electric cable in black.
I've started the main crane which is used to carry the mine hunting submarine
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Hello,
As you can see below, I'm working on the articulated crane. Pneumatic hose are made with 0.1 mm electric wire.
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Great detail :-)) watching this build with interest
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Hello,
On a warship, it's hard to find colours exept some parts such as dinghies. So, I take pleasure to give some colored point on model. Straps are made with cigarette paper
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Nice work. :-)) :-))
I built a sandown class (HMS Penzance) some 10 years ago, but it was at 1/48 scale.
I think I may still have some detailed photos of the real ship if they are of any help?
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Thank you T888,
I would like to know if badges on the funnel are similar on the both side. Does it mean anything such as a channel unity or scotish unity ?And where i can find the badge for each sandown mine hunter boat.
So, few photos about the yellow submarine which is the same in the french navy.
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Hi Midori,
The yellow ROV has been taken out of service some years ago, they currently use
SeaFox mine disposal system- The funnel badge is the MCMV Division = MCM 1, 2 or 3
When they are in the NATO deployment with the Standing NATO MCM Group they have the NATO badge mounted on the funnel
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I love your build thanks for letting us see it.
You might find this site helpful for ships' badges, they are shown alphabetically by name.
https://empiretocommonwealth.webs.com/navalships6.htm
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Thank you for your precisious help.
I think I will choose a boat among a MCM3 unit. the badge is the easiest to represent.
I will represent a boat at the beginning of the 2000's, it 's for that reason I've build a ROV not a seafox.
I've made some trials. It's all right but a little much noisy . It's coming from the gear mechanism. I try to find a light foam to reduce the noice.
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What I’ve done in the past is to copy the picture of the badge in to a WORD document , then scale it down to the size required and then print it off. Once I’m happy with the size it’s cut out coated with Tamyia Matt varnish. Once dry it then fixed to the funnel.
With my HMS Penzance the Vioth unit is belt drive and also wines. If you like I’ll post a couple of picture of her here, if that’s OK.
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thank you for your advice T.888
I ve some photos (but not in integrality) about a blue cylinder which can be handlled with a crane. It's located near the dinghies.
But,I don't know what it is and any idea about size.
So, the pond trial are completed, let's go back to construction. As you can guess, I've added light for corridor.
I've also build the dinghies jerricans storage and jerricans in the same time. I think it is the same grey as superstructure
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Do you have a picture of the blue cylinder?and I will find out for you
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Hi
The blue cylinder is a dummy mine that they deploy when training with the ROV.
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I think the size is approx
Dia 0.6m - 1m
Length 2.7m
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I would assume closer to the 500 - 600 mm diameter as a 1m would be a diameter that would go from the waist to above his hard hat, whereas the diameter at 600 mm would be about the width of his waist, length maybe use the height of the crew to guess at under their height say maybe 1.8m or just at 2m, but as always I could be wrong. ;D
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Checked online Sea mine size is 533mm dia and 2096 mm length
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Thank you T888,
As we said in french you are a "gold mine of knowledges". One of my project: to be able to laid down a dinghy on water.
So, on the first photo, you can see 2 servos. The first one is used to give the crane rotation. The second one is linked to a stripe and a cable. So the rotation bring 8 cm, it's enough to see the dinghy on the water
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Hello,
Now, it is time to prepare stanchions. I've found some 0.3 mm brass tube on a chinese site. I wanted less smaller but it did not find it.
I used masking tape to stick tube during soldering. As you can see, there is 2 colours .The black one is for flexible part.
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Hello,
It's good sometimes to leave details for a basic working: painting.
More we take time to display making tape, better is the result.I should improve myself a little bit.
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Love the crane and small boat. Railings are looking good. 8)
Did the brass come on a spool? did you have to straighten the material?
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hello,
the brass are coming from 30 cm stripes. I did not need to straigten . So , painting are finished, it's time to add details on bridge . At first, stanchions.
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Good morning,
So , I 've just added the gun. Eventhough, I've spend few hours on it, the result is correct. I wonder what the red label on door represents ? and does "Z" mean "Zulu" ?
And my other question, how big is a link chain ? .On the second photo, I've started to detail an upper bridge. I varnisihed every woody parts in oder to protect them.
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This link should help https://www.navy-net.co.uk/community/threads/history-of-damage-control-and-fire-fighting-and-1982.35141/page-2 (https://www.navy-net.co.uk/community/threads/history-of-damage-control-and-fire-fighting-and-1982.35141/page-2)
But what I’ve assumed is the lettering is for telling the crew which doors should closed or open during such vents like damage control, Battle stations etc.
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thank you T888 for your help.
I would like to have the same knowledge as you about some good web sites. As you can see, i did not display chain anchor because I'm not very sure about the size of a link. Research continues
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I use Cornwall model for my chain.
At 1/96 it’s 10 links / per inch see link attached
https://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/cgi-bin/ss000001.pl?RANDOM=NETQUOTEVAR%3ARANDOM&PAGE=SEARCH&SS=Brass+split+anchor+chain&TB=O&PR=-1&GB=O&SX=0&ACTION=Search&SO=1_3_4_0 (https://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/cgi-bin/ss000001.pl?RANDOM=NETQUOTEVAR%3ARANDOM&PAGE=SEARCH&SS=Brass+split+anchor+chain&TB=O&PR=-1&GB=O&SX=0&ACTION=Search&SO=1_3_4_0)
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Thank you for for help T888.
I'm nearly close to to finish the mast. I've used a 0.02 mm elastic thread to represent shrouds. I'd like to represent my sandown class mine hunter in operation on french coast with another NATO boats. So, I would like to add the NATO and French courtesy pavilion in the mast. But which size? Is there any particular label (with balls and triangle) when they hunt mine ? And in a same time, I would like to order the white british royal navy flag for the back of the boat, but which size ?
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Use BECC flag size calculator http://www.becc.co.uk/contents/en-uk/d50.html (http://www.becc.co.uk/contents/en-uk/d50.html) you then order the correct flag from Cornwall models.
She looking a good build. :-))
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hello,
So, I've ordered flags at cornwall model. So, the choice is made....The model will be ... HMS Blyth
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Hello,
Theses are my latest photos. For the moment, I try to give the best diection for electric and servo wires, but it is not so easy in a smal boat.
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Hello,
After checking a part of electric wires, it's time to see if light in the front ship is working.
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Very nice!
Hama
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Thank you Hama for your coments,
I've just checked the light system at back of the model. It looks OK. So 15 LED's light the boat as real as it could
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Looking really sharp & clear, and whilst it's of no consequence now, you appear to be getting bleed thru of the navigation light [possibility light colour plastic?] to areas 22.5 degrees more than aft of the lights axis....which is a no-no
For the future, you may want to check the Rules, but is a bulkhead wall mounted downward facing flood light [facing @ 90 degrees to FWD] allowed to be illunimated if so close to a navigation light?
Derek
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Looking very nice.
If you are still wondering, the day shape for minesweeping ops is 3 black balls in a triangle = 3 green lights in a triangle at night (If memory serves me correctly)
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Thank you for your help,
A small shop not so far away from my house, made my letters and insign for 4£50, which is not so expensive.
After putting the boat vinyl letters, I've added few varnish edges with an air spray.
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They came out alright :-))
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Hello,
As you can see, I'll use an F14 futaba but with an 2.4 ghz system.
2 channels for each inclinations of blades, one for forward speed (backward would destroyed blade inclination mechanism), one for smoke generator, one for crane rotation and one for the rise of the cable.
On second photo, you can see servo footprint and hole for cable
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Hello,
So, the crane trials are completed and it works. I'm looking for divers. I'm painting some sailors in order to represent a mine hunting scene.
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So many wonderful details. 8) 8) 8)
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:-))
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Hello,
It's time to add details at the back. With you help, T888, the blue cylinder is made with a hook in order to be carryed. With the aerodecked advice, I have put 3 balls in a triangle for the mast.
The other rails are missing, they will be there in few days
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Hello,
Second "sea" trial is made. This one was made to check if weight was correct or not. I was a little bit afraid about the 700 g weight, but hull was in its lines.
Before, I've had some light yellow pigment to represent shell.
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Very nice you must be pleased, I do like these ships hence why I’d built HMS Penzance
FYI ive attached the link to my model club video when it went to sea for her first sea trails.
http://srcmbc.org.uk/2016/01/02/hms-penzance/ (http://srcmbc.org.uk/2016/01/02/hms-penzance/)
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Dave,
Is yours voith powered?
Bob
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Yes Bob, and has bow thruster
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Hello,
On the first photo, you can see big gear are linked to a servo. So, when the servo move, big gear move and so the small one as well. The small one is connected to blades. Arrows on small gear help me to see how blades will react. With many trials, I've found how remote control will operate on blades.
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Hello ,
Aerodecked an T888, with your precious help, I 've completed the mast. After that, I've also finish the dinghy trials. I 've added some piece in lead, about 1g, in order to correct its tilt.
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Super work Midori!
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So ,
Sometimes, as the real one ,a model need few trials to be operational.
Let's go for the second one. The main goal was to check maneuvrability. So, she sails very well but it take times to understand how voith work both together.
I will have to check if she sails longer without lights on. Because, for this trial , the HMS Blyth sailed just 20 min. She works with a liPo 2S 7.4 v and 2500 mAh.
But, I need a voltage reducer for 6v LEDS and 3v for radar
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Midori, thank more than happy to have help you build a lovely model :-))
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Hello,
This new trial was made to check if crane work properly. I had to change the crane rotation servo because each time I switched on the receiver, the rotation was different. In same time, I 've checked the smoke generator. So, the model is nearly finished and I wonder if a british model boat magazine should be interested by an article about this kind of model.
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You could send an article to MRB :-))
(its our national model boat magazine chaps O0 )
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Hello,
Photos are coming from the tast "sea trial". Everything is looking good, except noise. But I'm thinking about it. So the model is completed . I 'll make a break for some weeks before starting a new boat. But which one ? I've break my hart for the Bourbon Orca but how can I get plan ?
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That's a fab model Midori! Super detail is an understatement :-)) :-)) :-))
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Thank you for everythings.
So now, I can say that the subject is closed.
Bye.
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I hope you share your next build.
This has been fantastic. 8) 8)