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Title: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: dlancast on July 05, 2020, 10:40:47 pm
Dear Folks,


I have started the build of Amati's kit of the Endeavour "J" racing yacht.  The 1934 UK cup challenger at a scale of 1:35. This will be a static build, as I am looking for a large sailboat model to act as a visual divider between my living and family rooms.  Currently, I have a tramp steamer model on display at that location.  With a hull length of 48", beam of over 9" and mast height from deck to top of mast of 5ft.  The kit provides very good details in wood, brass PE, brittania metal fittings and full set of sails.  She should be an impressive model providing that I can do justice to the build.  The frames, keelsons, deck beams, etc. are computer laser cut from 1/4" thick sheets of birtch ply.  I have started the build with the bow, or stem section of the hull, mounting and gluing bulkhead frames to keel.  The hull will be assembled in 3 sections and then joined, primarily with deck beams.  Then the hull will be double planked with lime wood, then mahogany as final layer.  I have just finished the bow section, finding the fit to be very tight, which required a long process of sanding and fitting.  The laser cutting is very precise and the frame goes together tight and straight.  I must decide if I want to install balsa backing between the frames to provide a better platform for laying down planks and sanding the frame edges true to the proper hull curve.  I see many hours of work ahead of me, but it is nothing I haven't done before and sure love the process of a build like this.  I am really enjoying working with a large scale model and its a nice break from small scale work that I am more used to.  Well, enough blab, I do hope you folks will enjoy this build as much as I'm hoping to.  Regards,  Dennis
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: dlancast on July 05, 2020, 10:41:18 pm
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Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: SailorGreg on July 06, 2020, 04:59:13 pm
I'm looking forward to this Dennis.  I am sure we will all enjoy the build, but probably not quite as much as you will!  (In case you don't know, there are a couple of build logs of this kit over on Model Ship World (https://modelshipworld.com/forum/130-build-logs-for-ship-model-kits-by-era-launch-date/) which might prove helpful.)

Greg
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: dlancast on July 06, 2020, 08:52:54 pm
Thankyou Greg, yes, I have been referencing another on-line build that has given some very good suggestions from both the builder and members of the forum, that I am finding very helpful.  I have built "many" planked models over the years, so am used to this kind of thing.  This kit will give me a nice challenge and is just what I was looking for to display in my home.  I got a personal msg. from Roy and for some reason I can't send a response to him, so I'll respond here......   Interesting about the sail fabric supplied in the kit.  Instructions do say to "size" the fabric with a solution of white glue and water, let dry.. should give some stiffness to the sail to help eliminate sagging that you mentioned.  What I am considering doing as well, is to install wood backing as a filler between the frames to help with hull stability and provide a solid bed for planking.. you pretty much wind up with a solid hull to plank.  I did this with another planked model and it really helped to keep things solid and stable.  As I assemble the bow section, I have noticed that the fit is very tight and square and straight, but does require some sanding to allow an easier slide fit in the notches.  I have done some RC sailing, but never really got into it at a serious level.  I enjoy making a static model and try to bring in as much detail as I can.   Thanks for the kind responses, I know that I will enjoy this build... its not like I don't have alot of time on my hands... but, at 75 yrs old, time seems to be of essence.  Be well and be safe folks,  Dennis
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: dlancast on July 13, 2020, 10:36:45 pm
Framing is complete and ready for backing, then planking.  I don't know who that old fart is holding my model %%   Dennis
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: dlancast on July 14, 2020, 06:16:32 am
The hull backing between frames has started.  its going to take alot of 3/8"x1/2"x36" sticks to fill the space required.  I have started emptying all the craft and hobby stores in town of their balsa supply, then I will go on-line.  It is not cheap, but the reward will be worth the cost.  This will take some time.  Dennis
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: roycv on July 14, 2020, 11:05:03 am
Hi, having to produce a sailing version, I used 3mm liteply planking  to increase the total thickness of the planking which gave a nice base to plank on, then I diagonally planked the hull with the supplied lime (I think) wood. 
The hull is so nicely curved that it accepts the planking easily and where there are gaps they are all triangles and simple to cut from the planking.  I did not have to specailly fashion any 'stealers' at all.  Everything was straight cut short or long triangles.  Never seen that before.

The above with also doubling the width of the keel increased the displacement to 5Kgrms and still kept the waterline correct.  You might note the extended keel.
If I remember the deck planking is 2mm wide strip wood as it has to curve rather than steam it I found the PVA glue if left for a few seconds on the plank did the job just as well.
I chickened out when it came to the mast and used purpose made extruded aluminium mast  (11.1 mm dia,) with a luff groove, my sails were made from a melamine drawing office material had half inch lengths of plastic tubing attached with adhesive sail cloth.  The plastic tubes sliding down inside the luff groove.  The boom has about 80 tiny rings attaching the sail and I soldered these in place using lots of wet tissue to stop the sail material over heating.  Eyesight would stop me now!

I attach a picture I found of her at a Model Engineering exhibition where she had a bronze medal, very much to my surprise.
She sails very well but I did attach a string bumper to protect the finely pointed bow.
regards
Roy



 
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: roycv on July 14, 2020, 11:25:13 am
Hi again I forgot I had a crew on board!  Looking at contemporary film of these craft sailing there were the Officers and the crew., mainly distinguished by their hats.
 
The officers wore peak caps but the crew all had my favourite (Rupert the Bear) sun hats.  I had some suitable size plastic figures and fashioned little plastic 'washers' to go on their heads to look like floppy hats.  My wife refuses to go out with me if I wear mine!
regards
Roy
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: dlancast on July 14, 2020, 05:11:57 pm
Thanks for sharing sir, she is a beautiful model and I am certain is quite a sight out on the pond.  Gads, she has a tall mast.  Yes, i have seen the planking method you describe done on another build, it is very effective.  I know that this hull will lend itself very well for planking, of which I have alot of experience from many plank on frame models over the years.  I really enjoy the process.  Amati requires that the builder double plank the model, starting with lime wood and finish with thin mahogany strips.  This makes for a beautiful wood hull if finished bright.  Such a shame to have to paint over such beauty.  They do suggest that you leave the bottom from waterline down bright and paint the rest blue.  I am giving this much thought as my model will be static and as a major display piece in my living room, I may just choose to show off all that lovely planking, with those beautiful hull lines, she should make a real statement.   After all, the original Endeavour had a hull of aluminum I have heard.   :-) Dennis
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: roycv on July 14, 2020, 05:15:28 pm
Hi don't forget the original is a metal hull, not wood.Roy
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: roycv on July 14, 2020, 05:54:47 pm
Hi I never used the thin mahogany planking to be honest it was not of the same quality as the Lime wood and 2 lots of planking achieved my requirements.  However it is currently being used as deck planking on a small fishing boat this minute.

My Yacht stand is probably more substantial then you would want as it was there to stop the yacht blowing over. 

The mast is the correct length and has 2 crosstrees the upper part is actually stressed with plastic covered wire to keep it from flexing. 
For travelling the whole of the mast and sails remove to fit into a specially made carrying case otherwise they would be easily damaged.  Your sails will be larger in area as I cut back the length of the main boom to enable a backstay to be mounted.

I had to double up the rudder area and even then the sails can overcome the rudder.  It was quite a game getting the tiller to operate at that angle.

I could take a photo of the shrouds location and fitting at deck level, this was taken from the film of her on return to the UK when the newsreels showed the construction close up.  This is different from the kit etched parts, up to you.  Also quite different from when she was launched.

Have you seen the Nauticalia video of Sailing in the 1920's?  Part of it covers building the of the Endeavour and launch plus there is a fleeting glimpse of more fittings at the bow.
I agree the planking was very pleasant.
Regards
Roy




Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: dlancast on July 14, 2020, 08:36:22 pm
Tks again for the info.  I haven't researched the history of the Endeavour and I really should.  My thoughts are that originally, all I wanted was a "pond boat" model that was large and would fit in my living room on top of a short wall.  I have vaulted ceilings, so I can handle a pretty tall mast.  I wanted the model to make a statement as a display piece.  I could buy one ready made, but they tend to be very simplistic in detail, being mass produced, usually in China.  When I found this Amati kit, I was very impressed.  They are not 100% perfect in detail accuracy, but pretty close.  I'm just not going to attempt to make this a perfect museum model and this kit will produce a true enough representation of the Endeavour, that I would feel uncomfortable about telling my guests that this is a representation of the Endeavour and still be able to achieve what I started to obtain... plus, I can apply my own handywork, which just adds to the whole thing.  I'm serious, my home is really starting to look like a maritime museum, I have so many ship models in glass cases in several rooms of my home.  Thankfully, I have a very understanding and supportive wife.  I so love building models.  I have sold some and given others away to friends.. still, I'm running out of room and just can't afford to buy a bigger home.  I've often wondered what other model makers around the world have done about this issue.. its not just unique to me. {:-{   Dennis
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: roycv on July 14, 2020, 11:14:53 pm
Hi Dennis, I went down the other route I just do working models.  All have radio control I like to see them sailing.  I have crewed on a few yachts with friends but more often with my son mainly on 40 foot yachts.  Even though you are on the yacht you can't see the picture it makes going through the water.  I do enjoy having a big wheel in my hands and watching the sails and compass, my son's latest acquisition almost sails itself which is how I found out I can get a bit seasick!  The main thing is you get to know what everything does on a yacht and you get to see the detail.

 I think I have 10 yachts/sailboats including a lovely schooner pond yacht about 4' 6" loa.  Then there are an assorted collection of another 30 or so model boats with another 8 - 10 in-build. In the main all packed away or in boxes I am allowed a bedroom and a large cupboard.  Mostly all built by myself but there are a few I have taken in and restored and sail when I can.

I have one rather novel 'saved from the skip' clockwork boat which I have fitted out with RC to steer and turn the motor on and off.  Do not know who constructed her from wood but probably over 80 years old now but she restored nicely and the clockwork is great.
Had to sell a few for space reasons but I still do occasional restorations, so get the pleasure without having to find another space.

Sorry, rather gone off topic.
Best regards
Roy
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: dlancast on July 20, 2020, 07:37:48 pm
Backing continues, stbd side done, onto port side.  Very slow process and lots of balsa sticks.  I know this will be well worth the effort, as it will provide a good solid base for the inner limewood planks.  Those old "J" boats had beautiful and sleek hull lines.  Dennis
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: dlancast on July 20, 2020, 07:38:15 pm
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Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: roycv on July 27, 2020, 12:34:10 pm
Hi nice to see your progress, you also mention research.  There is a web site for the J Class owners etc.  All of them have been rebuilt and in the case of Endeavour the deck layout was revised with modern machinery and probably to make her legal as well.  When found in the mud she was too fragile to move and the lead keel was gone.  This had been removed to make amunition during WW2.
 
Do note that all photos of the restored Endeavour have a waterline 12 inches (300mm) higher up than when originally launched.  This is because when racing in 1934 down below was a crude space for storage and maybe a cot but that was all.  Now Endeavour is fitted out with marble etc and has appropriate luxury accomodation.  The last asking price I have seen was 19M Euros.

The displacement is 143 tons. I think this is the current one with a glass fibre mast and most other things money can buy.  But the passenger accomodation and engine as installed now must have been an extra 25 tons at least, just my guess.  She also has a quite sizeable propellor which intrudes into the rudder area.
I do recommennd the Nauticalia video I mentioned, it will give you a feel for deck layout and rope storage etc.  It is too easy to do ropes up nicely and hang them in the wrong place.  You also get glaring errors like hanging fenders from cleats and still hanging there when sailing.  Highly frowned upon!
A book worth reading is Passage East by American Carlton Mitchel sailing a slightly smaller yacht from USA to UK with several photos of life on board but around the same time period.  His yacht was Carribee a plan which is in the Sarik archives.  The main thing wrong with that plan is that it has been collapsed in length but otherwise very good on detail. 

Anyone building her should stretch the plan about 20% in length and then print that, then she looks right.  I have a nice letter from him as well and he included a photograph and dimensions of Carribee from his collection.  When he arrrived in the UK he entered the sailing competitions in the Solent and won just about everything.

regards
Roy


Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: dlancast on July 27, 2020, 04:08:53 pm
Thank you so much Roy for the great historical input.  I will be building this model of the Endeavour as she appeared in 1934, or at least, I will be following the plans.  As i mentioned, this model will be fulfilling my desire to have a "Pond boat" to display in my home.  I am confident that this kit will provide a beautiful representation of a "J" class challenger.  I did some basic research and noted the historical changes that were made on this beautiful yacht.  Amazing, the amount of money that was spent on her and a real tribute.  Beautiful and fast under sail, in spite of her added weight.  I will do the best job I can at producing a model that is pleasing to the eye and should impress my guests that come to visit.  To date, I have completed filling in the "backing" on the port side with balsa and will be fairing the hull today in preparation for laying on of the inner limewood planking..... Yes, I'm planking a steel hulled yacht.  The beauty and grace of her lines lends very well to planking.  I know that I will be painting the hull from the waterline up, including the white waterline stripe, i have yet to decide if I will leave the keel "bright", instead of painting red, just to try to show off the rich mahogany planks that will be the second layer of planks on the hull.  Got plenty of time to think that one through.  Take care,   Dennis
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: dlancast on July 29, 2020, 05:56:14 am
Backing is in and hull is faired to receive first layer of planking.  Sub deck is taped on to align mast.  Boat support cradle is mocked in, not glued yet.  Very ingenious of Amati, cradle is two anchor shapes that receive the keel very nicely and firmly.  Nice touch in my opinion  Dennis
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: dlancast on August 01, 2020, 10:22:24 pm
The sub-deck has been nailed down.  Sub planking with limewood strips will begin next, starting at the deck level and working down.  Dennis
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: dlancast on August 03, 2020, 02:08:40 am
Sub planking going down now.  Limewood planks 1-1/2mm thick x 4mm wide, glued with grizzly construction glue and push pins going easily into balsa backing.  Stern planks will require some tapering.  I'm not worrying about campferring plank edges as they take a radius, results in some gaping, but this planking will be covered with thinner mahogany planks, so gaps will show.  Sanding and fairing again after this first layer goes down.  I really enjoy this stage of the build.  Dennis
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: roycv on August 03, 2020, 07:55:54 am
Hi re the planking.  I did diagonal planking following the line of the rudder. 

There is no need to taper any planks! 

They lay beautifully and the spaces are all triangles.  It was the easiest planking I have ever done.
Roy
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: dlancast on August 03, 2020, 06:48:44 pm
Tks Roy, now you tell me.....hahahahaha %% ... oh well, steady as she goes.  Dennis
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: roycv on August 03, 2020, 07:05:47 pm
Hi Dennis, see reply6.Roy
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: dlancast on August 07, 2020, 07:54:47 pm
Sub planking continues at break-neck speed %% .  Dennis
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: dlancast on August 12, 2020, 07:07:33 am
Slow process, today, a few more planks and I did manage to get the mast tapered and sanded.  52".  I can now begin drilling hardware holes and making the mast ready.  I do love this hobby.... sure takes me away from the woes of the world as it is today. Cheers! Dennis
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: roycv on August 12, 2020, 10:31:45 am
Hi Dennis, I have to say I do not envy you, it took me months to make this kit.  I cheated and used an aluminium extruded mast to take the luff of the main sail.  How will you be attaching the main to the mast?  I don't think mast rings/hoops  are right so curious, when I tried to find out about the construction of the mast but there was nothing specific mentioned anywhere.

Have you checked that the pre-cut deck is still a good fit on the planked deck?  With my sailing version and extra thickness of the planking I had to make a new deck but did it with a 1mm thick ply.  However it does have an exaggerated affect on the highly pointed bow.
regards
Roy
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: dlancast on August 12, 2020, 07:16:42 pm
Thank you Roy, yes... sail attachment to mast and boom still pose questions in my mind.  I can see how they did it on the boom, but do question the attachment using brass rings that are split and slip into short tubes in the mast at evenly spaced locations on the mast.  How would they have lowered and raised the mast using something like that.  All of my sailing experience has been with sail tracks, slotted channels in both mast and boom for the sail to slip into.  Back in 1934... I can't seem to find a good example of how they actually did it.  Since my model will be static for display, I am just going to trust the kit designers and follow the plan, although it will be hugely difficult to do the attachment to the boom per plan (split "O" rings attached to "I" beams that run "abeam" on the boom).  I'm reasonably certain that they did not use mast hoops for the main. They had to have used some kind of slotted method which could have been rings that had a slug attached that slid inside a slot on the mast.  I can mimic the slot and just go ahead with the rings that are split with legs that are inserted into sleeved holes in the mast... that means the sail will not slide up or down and this will pose some problems in avoiding wrinkles in the sail... I know I'm rambling here.. sri... just thoughts going through my head.  I have lots of time to get this worked out.. thanks again for your ideas and help.  Regards,  Dennis
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: dlancast on August 12, 2020, 07:22:30 pm
Oops, I missed your question on the deck.  I deviated from the plan sequence and went ahead and attached the deck before planking began... the deck is actually nailed down with small flathead nails.  As I glued the first layer of sub planking down around the deck perimeter, this sealed the deck down around the perimeter nicely.  Amazingly, the deck fit near perfect, I only had to fair minimally before planking started.  The second layer of mahogany planks will again, start at the deck level, when planking is completed, the cap rail will be glued down over the top of the hull planks to finish.  Did that make sense?  Dennis
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: dlancast on August 21, 2020, 09:47:37 pm
Hull sub-planking is slowly progressing on Port side.  Same with mast, mounting spreaders and numerous eyelets.  Kit uses brass sleeves that brass clovis pins are inserted to form eyelets.  Tedious, but coming along.  Dennis
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: dlancast on August 21, 2020, 09:48:09 pm
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Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: dlancast on September 22, 2020, 06:19:51 am
Ok, finally... the first layer of hull planking is on and faired.  Next will be a thin layer of mahogany planking to finish hull. Another long process.  Planks will be laid in a more realistic ship fashion with various lengths, etc.  Trust all is well with you folks.  A difficult time across the U.S.A..... frankly, I have never seen anything like it in my home country.   Doing alot of praying.  Best regards, Dennis
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: SailorGreg on September 22, 2020, 11:08:29 am
Looking sweet Dennis.  There is something immensely satisfying about planking a hull and seeing that lovely form appearing out of nowhere.   :-)) :-))   (And given the apparent competence of those in charge in both our countries, I think praying is a very good idea!  {:-{ )

Greg
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: dlancast on September 22, 2020, 01:41:37 pm
Thank you Greg, I agree... there is something calming about laying planks on beautiful lines.  Praying is about Trust, Faith and outcome, Tks again Greg.  Dennis
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: roycv on September 22, 2020, 03:00:31 pm
Hi I found the planking supplied in the kit was excellent and as you say a pleasure to do.
Roy
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: dlancast on September 22, 2020, 11:56:03 pm
Roy,   Limewood for sub planking is very good quality.  The mahogany planks seem a bit rough on edges, but I feel will still be fine as light sanding will fair any rough edges as I go.  Dennis
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: dlancast on September 25, 2020, 12:55:25 am
Second and last layer of mahogany planking has been started on Port side of hull.  I really like this phase, very calming.  Using fast glue to adhere thin planks.  Cutting at irregular lengths.  Dennis
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: dlancast on September 25, 2020, 09:58:23 pm
Some more mahogany planking.  D.
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: dlancast on October 04, 2020, 10:44:51 pm
slowly getting there.   Dennis
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Post by: dlancast on October 04, 2020, 10:45:18 pm
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Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: dlancast on October 20, 2020, 10:42:12 pm
Ok folks, final planking is on the hull.  Light finish sanding and then sealer.  Need to mark the waterline and then white strip will either be tape or paint, then hull painting before I start the deck planking.  She has nice lines in my books.  She must have been a graceful beast out on the water.  Cheers, Dennis
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Post by: dlancast on October 20, 2020, 10:43:02 pm
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Post by: dlancast on October 20, 2020, 10:43:35 pm
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Post by: dlancast on October 26, 2020, 11:23:50 pm
Ok, getting the subdeck ready for planking.  I removed the nails that were driven in to hold the deck in position.  Drilled out the holes and tapped and glued in round toothpicks, then sanded flush, locking the subdeck in for eternity.  Dennis
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Post by: dlancast on October 26, 2020, 11:24:20 pm
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Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: dlancast on November 08, 2020, 10:36:48 pm
Gunnel trim (mahogany) installed and deck planking started (basswood 3x1mm, various lengths) has been started.  Slow, steady as she goes.  Dennis
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: dlancast on November 08, 2020, 10:37:19 pm
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Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: ericjansen on November 11, 2020, 06:54:03 am

Nice work you are doing there, my compliments.


Not sure how detailed you will go on the standing and running rigging, but Endeavour I had a more complicated rigging than presented in this kit.
At the time of her re-fit for Elisabeth Meijer at the Royal Huisman Shipyard, I worked at Lewmar, and we did all hydraulics, including the winches, powerpacks, etc.
I still have some drawings of Gerard Dijkstra, the naval architect responsible, mainly of the re-fit, but some going back to the original.
I also built a 1:25 Endeavour II in her original, 1937 racing layout, with each and every line where it belonged.
Ask if needed.



Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: ballastanksian on November 15, 2020, 05:15:05 pm
She'll be a super graceful beast in your house that's for sure! I like the planking Dennis, very handsome.
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: dlancast on November 18, 2020, 07:51:33 pm
Beautiful model, is inspiring me.  I like the look of the below waterline being red...   I am considering leaving mine "bright" to show off the planking that I worked so hard to do.  I'm trusting the kit plans to give me proper 1934 rigging details.  the hull lines are so striking that I am certain she will make a great static display piece between my living and family rooms.  I have vaulted ceilings, so I can handle the tall rig on the model.  She will be mounted on a 4ft short wall that divides the two rooms.  My dear wife has offered to make the sails for me. Although, the model is beautiful even without sails.  Have to think about it.


Ok, I have finished laying the STBD half of the deck planking, now on to Port.  A very slow process.  What with the shut-in requirements due to Covid, gives me something to do.


Be well,  Dennis
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: dlancast on November 18, 2020, 07:52:09 pm
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Post by: raflaunches on November 18, 2020, 10:50:05 pm
I admire your planking- I know how much effort goes into recreating this very prominent feature on a yacht of this type. Keep up the excellent work :-))
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: dlancast on December 04, 2020, 02:04:52 am
Deck planking is done and varnish on.  I placed the completed deckhouse in its location as a preview.  I'm working on all deck structures at this time.  Getting ready to strike waterline and start hull painting.  Dennis
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: dlancast on December 04, 2020, 02:05:25 am
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Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: Geoff on December 07, 2020, 04:05:38 pm
Coming along very nicely - keep up the good work


Cheers


Geoff
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: dlancast on December 24, 2020, 08:00:48 pm
Well folks, the hull is finally painted.  After much thought, I decided to leave the hull below the waterline "bright", in order to show off the mahogany planking, instead of covering it up with red paint.  I like the contrast.  Really accentuates the beautiful hull lines of this magnificant yacht.  Wish all a very Merry Christmas.  It will be a quiet one for us, snow is on the ground and we are warm and cozy.  God Bless, Dennis
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Post by: dlancast on December 24, 2020, 08:01:19 pm
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Post by: dlancast on December 24, 2020, 08:01:52 pm
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Post by: Mark T on December 24, 2020, 08:31:26 pm
Thats one of those hulls that looks fast whilst stationary - what a lovely job you've done and happy Xmas to you!
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: dlancast on January 06, 2021, 07:01:58 am
Deck fittings going on now.  Dennis
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Post by: dlancast on January 06, 2021, 07:02:40 am
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Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: dlancast on January 20, 2021, 08:59:16 pm
Ok, the hull and deck are complete now.  Next, will be making the sails. My dear wife has offered to do the sewing, which will require a ton of seam line detail.  The material provided in the kit seems to be a type of thin nylon.  Plans state that I need to soak the material in a solution of water and white glue. Then, air dry and finally, ironing smooth before cutting and sewing is done.  I'm guessing that the glue adds a sizing to the material.  Sails are huge, finding a spot in our home where we can lay the fabric out over the plans to transfer the sail lines will be a challenge.  Thinking ahead to rigging is blowing my mind.  I want to rig such that I can unclip the standing rigging in order to collapse the rig so that I can transport the model if I need to.  Things to think and ponder a solution is driving me a little nuts.  Its been an interesting project.  Dennis
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
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Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: roycv on January 20, 2021, 10:36:28 pm
Hi Dennis I have sent you a short PM.
Roy
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Post by: dlancast on January 21, 2021, 07:37:50 am
Got it Roy and thankyou.  Had already considered that.  A very good point.   Best regards,  Dennis
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: Geoff on January 21, 2021, 11:54:49 am
There is a book called Enterprise to Endeavour by Ian Dear and whilst long out of print its readily available for about £15. Its all about the J class. On page 16 there is a shot of Westward which clearly shows mast rings for the sail attachment but can't figure out how they would pass the mast spreaders. Other shots show Enterprises duralinium mast and its clear no mast rings so it must have been a track, some of the boom shots suggest this is so as well.


Nice book but more general rather than technical in nature


Nice buikld


Cheers


Geoff
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: dlancast on January 22, 2021, 11:10:59 pm
Ok folks, I'm having a real stupid moment in my old brain.  My kit instructions say to "size" my sail material with a solution of 70% water and 30% white glue.  I'm estimating that it will take me a cup of liquid to brush on to the sail cloth.  For one cup of liquid, how much glue should I add to make 30% of glue required?  Does this make sense?  Help!!   Thankyou.... humbly, Dennis
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: roycv on January 22, 2021, 11:14:18 pm
Hi Dennis I am sure glue woud be OK but I would start with a spray on starch, easy to get, your wife will know where!  Then iron the sail and it comes out quite stiff.
Roy
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: dlancast on January 23, 2021, 07:36:22 am
Tks Roy, I didn't even think of something like that.  Should work.   :-))  Dennis
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: dlancast on February 09, 2021, 07:22:24 am
Just a side question.  I have been very prolific with my model making, six of them are in cases, most are WW2 U.S. Navy vessels.  I'm not getting any younger and my kids don't really have the room or would want them.  Selling them is a real challenge and I could try to do that, but am open to suggestions of what to do with them.   Thankyou,  Dennis
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: roycv on February 09, 2021, 08:27:13 am
Hi, if these are non-working models you will probably have the same situation we have in the UK.  Basically no-one wants them.  Also kit models are often a compromise between manufacturer and original prototype.

Museums are getting strict here about construction materials and then there is repair.  Such people are getting rare and consequently expensive and models made from kits are I suspect not favoured.

I turned an ornamental kit model into a working one wirhin the last 12 months and there are clear issues regarding glue joints,  What might tack together an ornamental model is not going to last as long as a working one with more substantial construction.  Which has implications on length of life.

I was in Australia a few years ago passing through a seaside holiday resort on a hot day and stopped at an ice cream Parlour.  They had this lovely pond yacht in the window that needed an hour's expert TLC to restore the rigging but much as I would have liked to stop and do the job, we had to move on.  There comes a point when such a model becomes an eyesore and is then dumped.

We modellers over 90% of the time are loners in our families and much as the skills are admired the product is not sought after.  Sorry Dennis as a club Secretary I have been part of many disposals of late members models.  The family are very proud of the modelling and engineering expertise but beyond being a talking point are not interested.

My best advice is to do what one of our members did about 7 years ago.  He was told he had terminal cancer and I have to say he was a lovely man incredibly bright and full of ideas.   His ability to create small working steam engines was a joy to see.  In the last month of his life he went around to his many friends and gave everything away also telling them how everything worked and instructions on how to look after them.

 For me it had echos of the phrase " That which is given willingly is twice given".  He asked me to resolve any issues after he was gone, but there were none.  He gave me two books for my trouble which I still dip into.  It all turned out to be a pleasurable way to know that someone will appreciate your work after you have gone.

So I suggest you find out now if anyone looks at your models and likes them then act accordingly when you see fit.  I think you will get more pleasure giving them away than selling them!
Regards
Roy


Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: dlancast on February 09, 2021, 07:11:12 pm
Thankyou Roy, very good advice, of which, I have already started "gifting" my models as those doors open.   Best regards,  Dennis
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: dlancast on February 10, 2021, 09:51:04 pm
Sails and rigging have begun.  My wife and I tried to use the fabric supplied in the kit, it was a very thin nylon that was very difficult to handle, cut and sew.  We abandoned that for a cotton based white fabric that seems to be working very well.  My dear wife has sewn all seam lines into the sails after cutting to size.  She is working on the bordering that is glued to the edges of the sails, adding stiffness.  We will spray starch as a final step.  Very tedious work and I am so thankful for the talents of my wife to help me with this step.  I'm working now on the standing rigging and have stepped the mast.  Wow.. what a tall stick.  All standing rigging lines are attached to the deck with wire hooks that will allow me to remove if I ever need to drop the mast.  I'm anxious to see how the model is really going to look with all sails on.  Dennis
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Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: AndyBiggs on February 11, 2021, 06:15:42 am
This is looking wonderful. A real sailing boat unlike the current “boats” being used for the AC in NZ.


Look forward to seeing it finished
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: dlancast on February 11, 2021, 07:15:41 am
Tks Andy,   you got that right.  I have seen vids. of the Endeavour sailing and she is one very big, very beautiful ship, slicing her way through the waves.  A timeless design, why did they ever change it?  Yes, I know the "J's'" are still sailing and that is a good thing.  I will be proud of this display piece as she sits on top of a 4ft wall between our family and living rooms.  Good thing our ceilings are vaulted, cause that mast is gonna be way up there!  Dennis
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: dlancast on February 27, 2021, 11:53:54 pm
Finally, the main is hanked on.  I'll do my best to get the wrinkles out as the rigging goes on.  I almost feel like I can hop aboard and go sailing its so big.  I'm trying to design the rig to be removable, should that become necessary down the road  As it is, it will be interesting how we are going to be able to move the model out of this room, down the hallway to the family room and its final resting place.  Two people and tilting the model at an angle through the doorways I guess.  Its gonna be fun.  Dennis
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: Capt Podge on February 28, 2021, 12:10:39 am
Yes Dennis, one person up front to ensure the mast/rigging doesn't foul up and one to carry the hull at 90°(that's if she can be manoeuvred around obstacles in that manner) - a bit like moving bulky furniture about!
Hope all goes well when you get to that point  :-)


Ray.
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: roycv on February 28, 2021, 12:42:57 am
Hi Endeavour is not heavy.  My one has a sailing lead keel and I find that just holding the keel in one hand by my side and the hull at about 45 degrees and point it the way you want to go.
Roy
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: dlancast on February 28, 2021, 02:02:43 am
Tks for the suggestions... this is gonna be good %% .   Dennis
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: dlancast on March 08, 2021, 11:57:07 pm
mounted what I am calling the stay sail or inner jib.. could be wrong on that term.  Halyards and tack or installed.  The main is finished for rigging.  Outer jib or club jib? goes on next.  This baby is nearing completion.  Cheers,  Dennis
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Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: Capt Podge on March 09, 2021, 12:14:40 am
I know I've said it before Dennis but, your abilities with rigging are outstanding. Following this build to completion. She's gonna be a stunner.


Ray.
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: SteamboatPhil on March 09, 2021, 05:42:45 pm
Looking really good now  :-))
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: dlancast on March 21, 2021, 07:38:41 pm
Ok folks, the Endeavour model is finished and mounted to her final resting place.  I've enjoyed the build and am very happy with the results. She sure makes a visual statement in our home.


My next project I think, will be posted in the Working Vessels section of this forum.  A number of years ago, I built a static model of my interpretation of a 1920's era Tramp Steamer.  I kit bashed a Millfred Star kit of a fish trawler that had the right hull shape. That kit was designed for RC sailing and I always had it in the back of my mind to convert my model to RC.  If, I can do it.  I'll need to cut the super structure off, so that I can get inside the hull and install ballast and radio gear etc.  I don't have alot of experience in RC, so I'll be asking this group a ton of questions and know that I will get good info on how to do it.


Cheers to all and see you soon on the Working Vessel section.


Dennis
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Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: Capt Podge on March 21, 2021, 07:45:13 pm
You've pulled off another beauty there Dennis - congratulations  :-)


Watching for the next one  :-))


Ray.
Title: Re: Endeavour UK Challenger 1934
Post by: JayDee on March 21, 2021, 09:50:22 pm

 A Very good Model,well presented, a Model to be Very proud of for years to come !!
 John.  :-)) :-)) :-))