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The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Working Vessels => Topic started by: hama on July 28, 2020, 08:30:24 am
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Hello!
I got the inspiration to start a new build this winter, this time another ferry favourite. I have no relation to this boat other than that I think she is a beautiful vessel. I got the GA plans some years ago together with that of Visby, Tor Britannia and Svea Corona. It was a close call between Svea and Svea Corona, which one I should build next and in retrospect I'm glad i didn't chose the Svea Corona just now.
My plans are of the Patricia, one of her sisters, the third one being Saga. Svea had a feature the others didn't, a smoke reflector on the funnel. Saga and Svea had cranes and a cargo hatch on the forecastle but this was removed later and replaced by cabins. All three vessels had long lifes for different companys around the world.
As I don't have frames plan, the underwater body is made up by myself, including a increased draft. I started to build the hull from the car deck to the keel, the car deck being totally flat.
Hama
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Hi HamaSvea looks nice. Which shipping company are you doing her as?
John
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Hello John!
At first I planned to make her as Hispania for Swedish Lloyd but I decided on making her as originally delivered as Svea.
Forgot to mention earlier for those that don't know this vessel, all three where at some point involved in traffic between Sweden and England together with Ellermans Spero that was built to a similar technical design. Svea/Hispania also traded between Southampton-Bilbao.
The model is built to a scale of 1:200.
Hama
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To continue on the build, I cut openings through the "car deck" to get access. Extensions to the frames where added and fore and aft deck installed. A bowthruster tube was installed with angled brass tubes in to take the hoses from a water pump. The sides where then covered with balsa.
Hama
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Hi Hama,
nice project what you have chosen. Will follow the building.
Pls can you tell us how much you have increased the draft of the vessel? I have the drawings for a carferry from the 1980th and will try to do it the same way as you are doing.
br Sven
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Hello Sven, and thanks!
As for my Visby I added about 1cm to the draft and that's quite substantial at this scale. The Visby is very stable and I hope this one will be too. Both of them are of an older design and therefore haven't got such a tall superstructure.
Out of interest what is the ferry you are planning to build?
All the best!
Hama
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Hi Hama and many thanks for info.
I had the chance to get original drawings from ferry MS Zenobia which sunk 1980. Vessel was owned by Nordö Line, Sweden.
Working for that company I met the contructor of that ferry and he gave me the drawing as a gift. And so I'm running with it in mind since years :}
Mange tack ock all de best för din project
Sven
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Tack Sven! :-))
Looking forward to see your build of the Zenobia eventually, interesting subject. I believe she sank off Limasol during some strange events.
Hama
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yes, she did. As I was told reason was mismatch between steering of balastwaterpumps and actuell situation, means ship have been listed to backboard and machines were working to the same side instead of pumping to starboard.
Poor company which had instaled the electrik for the pums.
Don't know when I will start, have so much projects left. Last was a small desktop model of a Hallberg Rassey 29 .
Sven
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Your build and choice is fascinating. I was initially drawn to history of Svea Corona (different ship) - off topic but what a dubious history! Reminded me of the first time I went offshore on a rig that already caught fire, sunk twice and flooded since!
I do like the lines of older ships such as Svea -good choice!
Rich
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Hello Rich!
Yes it's as the Svea Corona had a spell on her. As I understand she came back twice after being considered as total constructive loss but the third time it was final. In the early nineties I worked with an officer that served on her when she was beached at an old sawmill in Vancouver after hitting a reef, that's the first TCL. She had two sisters that had much more success and longer careers.
Hama
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I have always vaguely fancied the idea of trying to find plans for the Svea Drott if they exist. Built in 1966 for Trave Lines and then with Rederi AB Gotland .Later on she was with Sealink as 'Earl Godwin' and later yet with Moby Lines as 'Moby Baby'. And even later yet, briefly, as Anemos, with Portucalence Shipping. They get around these Ro-Ro ships.
She wasn't really a handsome ship but I have happy memories of her when she was with Sealink. Sailed on her many, many times, Weymouth to Jersey.
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@ BeeJay
do you mean this Svea Drott ?? If yes I can try to find some info I own the shown model build for Trave Line.
b.r. Sven
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That certainly looks like the one I'm after. Those twin funnels are a bit of a giveaway.
Thanks.
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And someone sold a GA recently on swedish auction site....
https://www.tradera.com/item/2906/403193535/ritning-m-s-svea-drott-oresundsvarvet-landskrona-svea-helsingborg
Hama
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That's what I think I will get too not more. It's to old.
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And someone sold a GA recently on swedish auction site....
https://www.tradera.com/item/2906/403193535/ritning-m-s-svea-drott-oresundsvarvet-landskrona-svea-helsingborg (https://www.tradera.com/item/2906/403193535/ritning-m-s-svea-drott-oresundsvarvet-landskrona-svea-helsingborg)
Hama
That would have done nicely. A bit expensive but you have to take what you can get,
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Hello BeeJay,
can you pls open a new threat for Svea Drott ?
I have some info but dont want do destroy this threat from Hama.
b.r. Sven
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On with the build again, hull was covered inside and out with lightweight cloth and ezekote. As I wanted this one to be illuminated I cut openings for portholes and windows. Shafts and a single rudder got installed, funnel, masts and rest of the superstructure was built. Rubbing strakes were added.
Hama
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Looking really good Hama, I enjoy this form of construction myself and am currently building a 1903 liner using very similar techniques. I do prefer Eze Kote to epoxy resin as I find it nicer to work with. My superstructure is balsa framework covered with .5mm birch ply whuch takes a lovely finish.
Colin
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Thanks Colin!
I really enjoy working with balsa and as stated earlier I'm slowly working through a stock of balsa that I bought at a very reasonable price. In hindsight though I should have followed your method and used thin plywood for the superstructure sides as it was a real pain to cut the windows breaking the posts all the time. I go by my usual policy of "looking far from good but good from a far", it sort of suits my skills and patience. Looking forward to see your liner build as you are a very talented builder and an inspiration.
All the best!
Hama
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Hejsan Hama,
looks very good, indeed. Wonder how it will lo when ready.
b.r. Sven
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Thanks Sven!
Next task was to make the stern door. It's a foldable door and not a ramp, I guess they used a connecting linkspan. Anyway, I wanted to try to make an attempt to replicate the door. I found a hinge on a box that suited, and I think I'll manage to raise and lower the door and make it fold. More on that later but initial tests are promising. Then it was time for some paint.
All the best!
Hama
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I love it :-)) :-)) :-))
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Superb painting :-))
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Looks a great rendition. Asking out of curiosity as I couldn't see in literature on-line: did she have classification for working in ice with a lower bow shaped like that, or was it just a feature of the bow door arrangement?
Rich
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Thanks everyone!
As for the bow, yes she has an ice breaking bow. Neither can I find info about her ice class but a wild guess would be that she was built ice strengthened to be able to sail on the Baltic sea if necessary or just be more easy to sell. Who knew that she would spend most of her career in the Mediterranean. She never had a bow door/visor.
Hama
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Hello Hama,
most of vessels build for the baltic have had Ice Class A1 even if they were in need of tugs in heavy ice.
b.r. Sven
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Update!
I made a sketch of the black "S" for the funnels and cut them out of thin plastic. The bridge windows were painted on.
I was lucky to find a perfect picture of the Crest on the bow. A museum had one from another ship so I made a sketch of that and clear lacquered it and glued it to the bow.
Hama
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Hej Hama,
very nice !!!! Well done !!! :-)) :-)) :-))
Sven
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Thanks Sven!
Hama
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Hej Hakan!!!!
How have I missed this latest work of art??? I have been too busy with the day job I think........ <:( <:(
She is wonderful - a great credit to your skill my friend :-)) :-)) I am looking forward to seeing her in the flesh one day soon (I hope?).
Hope all the family is well - do take care friends!!!
Carl
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I have always vaguely fancied the idea of trying to find plans for the Svea Drott if they exist. Built in 1966 for Trave Lines and then with Rederi AB Gotland .Later on she was with Sealink as 'Earl Godwin' and later yet with Moby Lines as 'Moby Baby'. And even later yet, briefly, as Anemos, with Portucalence Shipping. They get around these Ro-Ro ships.
She wasn't really a handsome ship but I have happy memories of her when she was with Sealink. Sailed on her many, many times, Weymouth to Jersey.
If you are after doing a model of the Drott - you might be interested to know that a kit will be available soon of a very similar vessel : Viking I of Thoresen Car Ferries. Not exactly the same as Drott, but so close such that a conversion on details would be very easy.
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Thanks Carl!
All is good here, perhaps a video chat again sometime soon :-))
I think you will have a success with the Thoresens Viking 1, lovely looking ferry!
All the best to you and Flo!
Hama/Hakan
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If you are after doing a model of the Drott - you might be interested to know that a kit will be available soon of a very similar vessel : Viking I of Thoresen Car Ferries. Not exactly the same as Drott, but so close such that a conversion on details would be very easy.
Thanks for that info Carl I would be interested in that. I don't think that there would be massive differences.
I would be doing the Drott as Earl Godwin in Sealink livery.
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Hello, a little update!
I've been working on the lights lately, and I think I'm done now.
In addition to what you see there is also lights on the aft part of the car deck.
Now I can move on with the rest of the electronics.
All the best!
Hama
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Hello Hama,
looks great !!!!!!
All the best Sven
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Thanks Sven!
Like most of my builds she wouldn't pass any closer inspection but I too like the overall impression. Cant wait to get her on the water but it will be some time still, work is always getting in the way! %%
All the best!
Hama
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Now I got the stern door working. It's not all that scale but reassemble the real thing. I can always make a better version later. Its manoeuvred by a sail winch and a pull/pull system.
All the best!
Hama
https://youtu.be/mZZrBbXEPTM
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Hi Hama
that is very clever .
john
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Thanks John!
It took some figuring out and testing and redesigning and testing again {-)
Perhaps a version 2.0 sometime but all good for now.
Hama
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Hello again!
Hope you are all ok.
Been working on this model every now and then and getting closer to her completion. Finished the electronics, minus the servos for automooring. I hid the rudder arm in a trailer and will add some more cars and trucks to the car deck.
Made up the davits and painted the lifeboats.
All the best!
Hama
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Hullo hama ...
I have looked & looked :o , but am still unsure what I am seeing here?..........is it 2 end hoops of a tension spring?
Derek
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Hello Derek!
That's correct, it's for the opening/closing of the stern door. It pulls both up and down and needs a little play hence the tension springs.
Hama
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Next I made the cranes and the forward hatch. As I only have the drawings for the third sister that was built without the forward hatch and cranes, I had to guess and go by pictures. I also made up the anchor winch of some bits and pieces I had.
Hama
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Hi Hama
she does look fantastic .
Regards
John
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Thank you John!
Hama
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Some cargo arrived on board.
Hama
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Very impressive hama - great work and thanks for sharing :-)
Regards,
Ray.
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Thank you Ray, much appreciated and thanks for reading!
Hama
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Not 100% done, but enough to make a side by side comparison with the Visby.
Two more ferries on my list to do.
Hama
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Made some antennas for the forward mast. Off to work for two weeks now so a break from the building.
All the best!
Hama
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Hello!
Finally the ice melted at my test facility so I could make the maiden run. It was a bit choppy but she handled it really well. I cant understand why for some period they built twin props/single rudder vessels as it really affects the maneuverability. Thanks to tank steering and a somewhat underpowered bowthruster it's still manageable in the wind gusts.
Next test in calmer conditions so I can test her full speed, and docking with the automooring.
All the best!
Hama
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She appears to sit very well in the water.
Looking forward to seeing the auto-docking in action again. :-))
Ray.
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Thank you Ray!
Yes the mooring require that the servos with the magnets are placed correctly inside the hull and its difficult to get this 100% right until full-scale trials.
Hama
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Looks Fantastic on the water.
John
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That did turn out well.
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Thanks both of you, really appreciate it :-))
Hama
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Great job Hama, she looks super in and out of the water.
Wilhelm
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Thank you Wilhelm, glad you like it!
Hama
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It was a calm and sunny morning so I took the opportunity to make a second trial. I did some testing with moving the ballast around, time will tell how I fix it. The docking went ok, both magnets connected but I think I'll have to adjust the starboard one slightly.
All the best!
Hama
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Very nice hama ...that is quite a bow wave for her reported 18 kn %) top speed..... Derek
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Yes Derek, but that was during her Supersonic speed trials {-)
Hama
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Hi Hama,
great work, I'm speachless, no words for a comment.
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Sven
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Looks good
Almost Finnjet bow wake LOL
John
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Thank you both for your comments and interest!
Even though it wouldn't stand a close inspection I really like her looks and performance on the water, and being as small as she is at 1:200 scale.
Hama
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that is absolutely fantastic, you have also answered my question about the auto docking, thats a clever idea
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Thanks Kevin!
Yes the automooring consists of a servo manoeuvred magnet in the hull that meets a magnet on the quayside. This is the third boat that I have installed it in and they all use the same dock.
All the best!
Hama
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Thanks Kevin!
Yes the automooring consists of a servo manoeuvred magnet in the hull that meets a magnet on the quayside. This is the third boat that I have installed it in and they all use the same dock.
All the best!
Hama
i i only build statics, so as for the dockside does that mean there is a standard distance between the magnets on the shore side, or do you mean the magnet also move position in the hull to match shore side , sorry for stoooopid question
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Not a stupid question!
The quayside magnet is a fixed position so the one in the hull must be placed to match. I have one long ferry that only dock stern first and she has a magnet on an extension of the dock. The other two use the magnet seen on the picture (hidden in the fender element).
Hama
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Not a stupid question!
The quayside magnet is a fixed position so the one in the hull must be placed to match. I have one long ferry that only dock stern first and she has a magnet on an extension of the dock. The other two use the magnet seen on the picture (hidden in the fender element).
Hama
Thank you
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Hi hama
Nice looking model with a good paint job. Well done.
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Thanks! :-))
Hama
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Good evening!
Some shots at dusk, showing her lights.
All the best!
Hama
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Great photos you've posted Hama.
The 1st & 2nd ones in particular are very realistic - well done :-))
Ray.
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Do you have a sketch of how you operate the door? and its hinge mechanism, just fascinated in how it looks so minimalist, i.e. at the hinge there appears to be little to show how the top part rotates just short of 180°
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Good very good. Did you build the funnel in layers of balsa or another way
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Great photos you've posted Hama.
The 1st & 2nd ones in particular are very realistic - well done :-))
Ray.
Thanks Ray, very kind!
Hama
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Do you have a sketch of how you operate the door? and its hinge mechanism, just fascinated in how it looks so minimalist, i.e. at the hinge there appears to be little to show how the top part rotates just short of 180°
Thanks for your interest, I'll try to explain!
The pull-line for opening goes through a hole in the upper part of the hatch and is attached to the lower one n the inside on a nail.
The pull-line for closing is attached to the upper hatch on the inside to a shorter nail. I needed something to help in the closing phase so a piece of rubber band is attached between the two halves of the hatch to help, the rubber band wants to force the lower part to flip out sort of.
I hope the pictures explain some of it.
Hama
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Good very good. Did you build the funnel in layers of balsa or another way
Thanks very much, glad you enjoyed it!
You can see the basic structure of the funnel on the first page. It was built from a framework and covered with sheets and planks of balsa.
Hama
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Many thanks. I've a similar funnel on my current build and I needed ideas
Seaspray
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That looks Fantastic with her lights on .
john
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That looks Fantastic with her lights on .
john
Thanks John!!
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