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Title: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: madwelshman on November 06, 2020, 04:53:16 pm
Hi folks,


Being a big fan of Fairey marine products, Huntress, Huntsman, Swordsman etc and seeing there is a strong liking on here for them too, I was wondering if anyone had built a model of the Solent Spear, seeing as it shares it's hull design/shape with the Faireys of yesteryear?


Will
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: zooma on November 26, 2020, 09:33:05 pm
How long is the Solent Spear Will ?
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: madwelshman on November 26, 2020, 09:47:49 pm
Bob,

34' 9" length, 11' 9" beam.

I'm thinking a lengthened and modified transom Huntsman 31 hull might be the one to use.

Will
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: zooma on November 26, 2020, 10:10:52 pm
I wonder if the 34" Huntsman hull would work for a 1/12 scale Solent Spear?



Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: madwelshman on November 26, 2020, 10:24:31 pm
Yes, it may well do.
The bow has the right flare to it, just the transom to modify and then obviously the superstructure.


Looking at some of the pictures I have found online, I have a feeling that there may have been more than version/length of the Spear.
I will have to do some more research.


Will
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: madwelshman on November 26, 2020, 10:25:17 pm
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Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: madwelshman on November 26, 2020, 10:25:56 pm
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Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: ChrisF on November 27, 2020, 12:44:18 am
According to my Fairey book the only length is 34 feet with a beam of 11 feet. Only 4 or 5 were built with most being the one shown.

Another example is of a sleeker open cockpit version where the screen is lower and slopes down towards the rear. Otherwise identical, less practical but better looking.

The Huntsman 31 is 31 feet 3 inches long with a 9 feet 3 inch beam.


Your search is probably bringing up the Fairey Spear which is based on the Spearfish hull (transom as per the Huntsman) which was for the military and police market.

Chris
 
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: canabus on November 27, 2020, 02:42:19 am
Hi Lads


Dam nice looking boat, but all The Fairey's look that way !!!


Canabus
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: tonyH on November 27, 2020, 10:15:32 am
I had a conversation with Bob Zooma a couple of weeks ago regarding the next one for me after Ultima Dea and I thought of going for a non-kitted Fairey, the Spear being an option. BUT I concluded that, in a sense the same as Canabus, that all Faireys look the same :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: canabus on November 27, 2020, 10:24:43 am
Hi All
The cabin does not too much of a problem to make, but the stern may require a fair bit more work !!!


Canabus
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: zooma on November 27, 2020, 10:27:24 am
I had a conversation with Bob Zooma a couple of weeks ago regarding the next one for me after Ultima Dea and I thought of going for a non-kitted Fairey, the Spear being an option. BUT I concluded that, in a sense the same as Canabus, that all Faireys look the same :embarrassed:


They all look as elegant as each on the water Tony - but this one definitely has a  different look - and nobody has ever made a model of one  - so it could be an ideal "first Fairey" for you  :-))
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: tonyH on November 27, 2020, 11:40:20 am
Nah! Don't get me wrong. I fully appreciate the Fairey style and longevity but they've developed a hull form and quality and they, quite rightly, stick to a successful formula.BUT I've always, from Greek gunboats, water-jet drive Victorian torpedo boats, Iranian rocket boats etc., tried to model oddities. It's just the way my mind works.
 :-))
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: madwelshman on November 27, 2020, 01:04:45 pm

I get what you're saying Tony.
Maybe it's one I will have to attempt myself one day, maybe.


Will
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: ChrisF on November 29, 2020, 01:39:25 pm
I know what you mean as well Tony. Whilst I probably won't be doing any builds as extreme as yours I have some builds in mind/being drawn up that are a bit different to the usual Faireys and which I don't think have been done before and I certainly fancy doing something with a water jet if I can find one to suit 1:12.

But I wanted to build the classics as well as the more unusual ones which includes the River Cruiser that was a prototype and is well advanced.

Chris
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: zooma on November 30, 2020, 04:37:16 pm
It would appear that there are a few of us that would quite like to build a 1/12 scale model of the Solent Spear.


These are no known drawings of this craft and it has never been kitted, so by pooling our resources on this thread we may be able to help each other


ChrisF has advised that the size of the Spear hull is 34ft x 11 ft.


I measure the g/f Huntsman hull I am currently working on - and guess what?  - it is 34' x 11" - exactly the right size for a 1/12 scale Solent Spear ! :-))
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: zooma on November 30, 2020, 04:46:26 pm
Now we know that the 34" long 1/11th scale Precedent Huntsman has the correct dimensions and hull profile to use as a base for a perfect 1/12 scale Solent Spear -  a "new-build" from the Modav/early Precedent kit plans could be the way to go?


Changing the keel shape at the transom end to include the reverse angle of the Spear transom and adding the correct transom curvature is all that would be needed to make a perfect Solent Spear hull to base the model on.


If we could find some drawings for the Spear it would not be too difficult to graft these details onto this hull, and then the superstructure could be added too!



Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: tonyH on November 30, 2020, 06:42:28 pm
I don't know whether it's any use in terms of the basic structure but I've used the framing and method that Dave M planned for the SLEC models for Ultima Dea. It's very simple to modify to suit the dimensions and layout using a deck layout chine line and keel line as the only 3 factors and a bit of playing about. The only other data I use was the transom angle which you'll get from the stern photo.
You might find the attached interesting as well.
Tony
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: zooma on November 30, 2020, 07:19:26 pm
Thanks for the download Tony.


I have just printed it out and added it to my increasingly thick Fairey Folder.


Maybe with all this stored away information on the subject you are a secret Fairey Fancier ? O0
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: zooma on November 30, 2020, 08:26:26 pm
As a matter of interest - does anyone know how the 34ft length of the Solent Spear is measured?


This may well sound like a daft question - but........................



If it is measured along the "deck-line" then the steeply angled stern would be added onto the length of the 34" Huntsman hull (to make a 1/12 scale model), but if it is measured under water (to give the overall length of the hull) then the bow to stern deck length of the 34" Huntsman hull would need to be shortened as the hull is longer under-water than it is along the deck line.
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: ChrisF on November 30, 2020, 09:55:02 pm
I don't know but as the bathing platform is so substantial and moulded as part of the hull I would think that the platform is included in the length and that protrudes further than the underwater part of the hull? Therefore the 34" Huntsman hull would be a bit too long.

I reckon that the angle of the transom is about 60 degrees.

Chris
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: madwelshman on November 30, 2020, 10:16:56 pm
I don't know but as the bathing platform is so substantial and moulded as part of the hull I would think that the platform is included in the length and that protrudes further than the underwater part of the hull? Therefore the 34" Huntsman hull would be a bit too long.

I reckon that the angle of the transom is about 60 degrees.

Chris


If the bottom edge of the standard 31 transom was used as a measurement reference point to later be the back edge of the bathing platform and the transom would therefore rake forward from ahead of that, then do you think the 34" hull would be too long? The plan would have to be altered aft anyway, so the previous length aft would only be used for length reference.


If you get what I'm trying to say.


Will
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: mudway on November 30, 2020, 10:18:00 pm
Didn't MFA put out a kit of a Spear?
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: madwelshman on November 30, 2020, 10:19:15 pm
Didn't MFA put out a kit of a Spear?


No, that was a Spearfish. Different design and transom shape.
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: madwelshman on November 30, 2020, 10:41:52 pm
and they did a Fantome as well.
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: Vintage on November 30, 2020, 11:26:30 pm
Didn't MFA put out a kit of a Spear?

Yes, they did  :-))
Although, to be fair, it was a fairly crude adaptation of their popular Spearfish model...
Hope this helps.
Mark


(http://www.vintagepondyachts.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/mfa_spear-e1606778590139.jpg)
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: madwelshman on November 30, 2020, 11:43:12 pm
Yes, they did  :-))
Although, to be fair, it was a fairly crude adaptation of their popular Spearfish model...
Hope this helps.
Mark


(http://www.vintagepondyachts.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/mfa_spear-e1606778590139.jpg)




Apologies to Mudway then, my mistake. I thought it was just the Spearfish and Fantome that they did.


Will  :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: canabus on December 01, 2020, 08:05:57 am
HI All


Well I checkout my Precedent Huntsman 31 and it's 33 and 7/8"(860mm) x 10and 5/8'(270mm).


Very Close to the Solent hull size.


Canabus

Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: madwelshman on December 01, 2020, 11:08:00 am
HI All

Well I checkout my Precedent Huntsman 31 and it's 33 and 7/8"(860mm) x 10and 5/8'(270mm).

Very Close to the Solent hull size.




I reckon something could be done with a Huntsman 31 hull.
The question is, which would be easier to modify, a wooden hull, or a fibreglass hull?


Will
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: ChrisF on December 01, 2020, 11:09:55 am
Well done Mudway, I hadn't heard of one either. They will be as rare as the proverbial!

As said a crude model though and they haven't even bothered with the modified stern. Their models are only semi-scale though, only good part is the hull!


Pity I recently sold my as new Spearfish kit!  :((

Chris
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: madwelshman on December 01, 2020, 11:17:54 am
Chris, I recognise the Spear model pictured, having seen them before, but not realised they were called a Spear.
As far as I'm aware, the MFA Spear, far pre dates the Solent Spear, so the model isn't based upon the full size version of the same name, I don't think.


Could look worse though, it could be an MFA Fantome!!


Will
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: ChrisF on December 01, 2020, 11:24:11 am
You're right Will, it's the Fairey Spear.  Should have known really as I mentioned it in an earlier post! Designed for military and police use.

Yes, you have to wonder what they were doing with the Fantôme, Fairey that is! 

Chris
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: madwelshman on December 01, 2020, 11:31:38 am
The Fantome in my opinion just looks a bulky and heavy boat.
The hull is fine, its just the superstructure which doesnt work for me.
I'm sure it's a great boat with plenty of accommodation too, I just can't warm to it's looks though.


Will
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: canabus on December 01, 2020, 11:45:00 am
Hi All
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac-tNP7nWGE


Found a video of the boat !!!


Canabus
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: zooma on December 01, 2020, 12:01:28 pm
HI All


Well I checkout my Precedent Huntsman 31 and it's 33 and 7/8"(860mm) x 10and 5/8'(270mm).


Very Close to the Solent hull size.


Canabus


My glass fibre Huntsman 31 measures 34' long and 11" wide - perfect as a "doner" hull to modify for use as a Spear - and I think I know where I can find a spare g/f hull!


Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: madwelshman on December 01, 2020, 12:17:05 pm
Hi All
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac-tNP7nWGE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac-tNP7nWGE)


Found a video of the boat !!!


Canabus


I must admit, I think they look great on the water.
Certainly appear manuverable and to perform well.


Will
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: madwelshman on December 01, 2020, 12:30:18 pm
Only '3' Solent Spear were made apparently, so no surprise that info on them isn't easy to find.




https://youtu.be/P3elHzMg1UU




Will
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: zooma on December 01, 2020, 04:53:52 pm
Hi All
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac-tNP7nWGE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac-tNP7nWGE)


Found a video of the boat !!!


Canabus


Good helpful video Harry - it gives a nice 360 degree view of the boat to start with and the action shots show that it can pick is feet up too!


Thanks for sharing it with us!


Bob.
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: zooma on December 01, 2020, 04:59:00 pm
Only '3' Solent Spear were made apparently, so no surprise that info on them isn't easy to find.




https://youtu.be/P3elHzMg1UU (https://youtu.be/P3elHzMg1UU)




Will


Hi Will.


Another nice video link showing a "rare" Solent Spear (one of only three ever made).


I also found the Supermarine Swordfish 36 and the 1977 Triana Tantarella 35 interesting too!


Thanks for sharing it with us!

Bob.
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: zooma on December 01, 2020, 09:32:08 pm
We have pictures and video of "ORA" and "BARCHI" who both appear to be enjoying life in the sun in Australia - but does anyone know the name and location of the third (and last) member of the class?
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: madwelshman on December 01, 2020, 09:46:29 pm
We have pictures and video of "ORA" and "BARCHI" who both appear to be enjoying life in the sun in Australia - but does anyone know the name and location of the third (and last) member of the class?


The only one I knew of was Barchi.
ORA, is a new one on me.


Well done guys, good hunting, interesting too.


Will
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: ChrisF on December 01, 2020, 11:22:07 pm
Here's the open cockpit version (pity it has a cover on) and is probably the only one of this type. Guess what it's called!  :-)


Chris
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: zooma on December 01, 2020, 11:27:54 pm
Thats original!
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: madwelshman on December 01, 2020, 11:29:53 pm
Bet the owner took ages debating what to call it  {-)
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: ChrisF on December 02, 2020, 12:02:23 am
In all seriousness I think it's just the manufacturers name in the same way that Huntsman is shown on some boats. Reason I say that is because I read a 2005 boat test including a hard-topped version and that had Solent Spear on the transom in the same size and style lettering. May well have been named since then and the open cockpit one?

The other two boats have obviously had it replaced by the name. Anyway, that's three!

Chris
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: RST on December 02, 2020, 12:24:48 am
I actually quite prefer that open cockpit version -if you take the hood down the lines look better to me and then it reveals its size also.  I quite like fairey boats modified with cabins but on this it looks a bit too much like a "cuddy" out the box to me.  Interested to see if there are any more pics with the hood down.
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: ChrisF on December 02, 2020, 12:39:50 am
Yes, that's my view also and if I was building one would be the version I'd build. having said that it does look a bit like a big speed boat due to the low height of the cabin above the deck!

Chris
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: RST on December 02, 2020, 01:24:26 am
Yes I agree to me it looks more like a speedboat pedigree and less like a day fishing boat. Much sleeker lines. Maybe why they never sold many?
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: canabus on December 02, 2020, 04:16:47 am
Hi All


On checking the video, the Barchi is registered at the Royal Marine Yacht Club in New South Wales Australia.


It maybe at Broken Bay or Newport ???


I sent of an email to the club to see if I get an answer.


Canabus
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: zooma on December 30, 2020, 12:34:09 pm
Do we have any collectors of the manufacturers sales brochures who may have copy of the Solent Spear info by any chance?

Fairey brochures usually give the waterline length and this would help to determine the amount of adjustment that will be needed to a 34" MFA Huntsman 31 hull to get the correct length.

The side profile drawing would be handy too!
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: tonyH on December 30, 2020, 02:11:20 pm
Try  https://faireyownersclub.co.uk/default.asp?content=boats&type=spear
 :-))
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: zooma on December 30, 2020, 03:38:30 pm
Try  https://faireyownersclub.co.uk/default.asp?content=boats&type=spear (https://faireyownersclub.co.uk/default.asp?content=boats&type=spear)
 :-))


Hi Tony,

That is a very helpful reference for the Fairey Spearfish and the Fairey Spear that I find very interesting and helpful (for future projects!) but the Solent Spear is not covered in this reference.

Its a shame that Solent re-used the "Spear" name (in some ways) as it can cause some confusion, but your reference has helped quite a lot to differentiate between the two types.

Bob.
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: tonyH on December 30, 2020, 06:31:34 pm
 :embarrassed: And you wonder why I question the number of Faireys?
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: madwelshman on December 30, 2020, 10:03:21 pm
I've done quite a bit of searching Bob, but never seen a brochure for a Solent Spear.
Pretty sure I haven't seen a side profile drawing either, but will have to check on the laptop, in case.


Will
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: tonyH on December 31, 2020, 10:22:23 am
Maybe another daft question, but has anyone interested downloaded a copy of the Motorboat and Yachting review for Dec 2012? Generally available for a couple of quid.It may give an indication of whether it's done in more than 1 length and should certainly give a better feel for the boat. :-)
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: madwelshman on December 31, 2020, 11:18:18 am
Tony, I'm pretty sure I saw the review online and had a read of it, but to answer your question, I didn't download it.


Will
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: ChrisF on December 31, 2020, 11:21:19 am
Charles Lawrence, author and Fairey Owners Club archivist, has drawn side views of both the open and closed versions of the Solent Spear. His email can be found via the club, otherwise I'll PM it to someone.

Drop him an email explaining what you want it for and for a reasonable fee he should send you a copy. Or buy a copy of his book which is excellent and will provide you with all the Fairey information that you will ever need and more.

Chris
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: madwelshman on December 31, 2020, 06:33:35 pm
Chris, the Fairey book is one I intend purchasing at some point.
I've read a lot of good reviews on it.
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: zooma on January 01, 2021, 03:29:26 pm
Maybe another daft question, but has anyone interested downloaded a copy of the Motorboat and Yachting review for Dec 2012? Generally available for a couple of quid.It may give an indication of whether it's done in more than 1 length and should certainly give a better feel for the boat. :-)


I will take a look at that Tony............this is what came up on my search:


http://magazineexchange.co.uk/cw/motor-boat-yachting-magazine-december-2012-issue.html


I think I need to try again..........................although it is very interesting............... %)


Bob.
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: tonyH on January 01, 2021, 04:31:19 pm
Or.....  https://www.mby.com/digital-editions  give a list of options, including Zinio
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: zooma on January 05, 2021, 03:55:03 pm
Or.....  https://www.mby.com/digital-editions (https://www.mby.com/digital-editions)  give a list of options, including Zinio


I have found lots of nice boat shapes and ideas following your links Tony  - really good - but nothing about the Solent Spear.
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: ChrisF on March 05, 2021, 09:58:41 pm
Just to add a little more to this following a bit more Googling.

One of the boats for sale, not recently, states that the length is 10.67m and a width of 3.35m which is 35 feet and 10.99 feet. Other references state that since the introduction of integral bathing platforms it is usual to include the platform in the overall length.

Given that the platform isn't very wide then I think, as you guys have said, is that the fibreglass Huntsman hull is pretty much spot on for conversion. Angle the transom forward above the platform and you will have it!

Chris   
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: zooma on March 05, 2021, 10:06:08 pm
Just to add a little more to this following a bit more Googling.

One of the boats for sale, not recently, states that the length is 10.67m and a width of 3.35m which is 35 feet and 10.99 feet. Other references state that since the introduction of integral bathing platforms it is usual to include the platform in the overall length.

Given that the platform isn't very wide then I think, as you guys have said, is that the fibreglass Huntsman hull is pretty much spot on for conversion. Angle the transom forward above the platform and you will have it!

Chris   




Very tempting Chris  ;)


If only we could find a copy of the brochure or some side elevation drawings to help to get the shape right this could be a winner !


I do have a spare hull............................ O0


Bob.
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: madwelshman on March 05, 2021, 10:21:28 pm
A side profile drawing of a Spear would be of much help and I keep searching every now and then to see if I can find anything new and or helpful.


Chris, I'm sure I have seen somewhere a 35' listed length does include the platform.


A fibreglass 34" hull at the right price will come along at some point I'm sure and be handy to keep hold of until enough info is gathered to attempt a build.


Will
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: ChrisF on March 05, 2021, 10:28:16 pm
Cough, cough!!

See my post #56 above! There are side views in the Fairey book but for copyright reasons I can't show them. A jpeg or pdf would be better than the smaller images in the book.

Who's going to be first then! Won't be me as I've got other Faireys in the pipeline and I haven't got a hull!

Chris
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: madwelshman on March 05, 2021, 11:45:06 pm
I remember your post Chris, but I do think that Charles Lawrence can't be the only person who has drawn these and they must be out there in the abys of the world wide web somewhere.


Like yourself, I doubt if I will be the first person to attempt to build one either, I have more than enough boats to keep me occupied for a long while yet, let alone thinking about starting on any others.
The only H31 hulls I have, 34 & 46, are both wooden ones and at present, I would like to keep both at H31, but converting the 34 to Sport configuration and keeping the 46 as Aft cabin.
If a fibreglass 34" hull comes along at the right price, I would be tempted to buy it and keep it to one side, but for now, I'm happy leeting someone more skilled than myself be the first to build a Solent Spear.


Will
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: zooma on March 06, 2021, 10:07:46 am
Cough, cough!!

See my post #56 above! There are side views in the Fairey book but for copyright reasons I can't show them. A jpeg or pdf would be better than the smaller images in the book.

Who's going to be first then! Won't be me as I've got other Faireys in the pipeline and I haven't got a hull!

Chris




I actually did try to find a copy of the Fairey book Chris, but "cough cough" (as you say) the price is eye watering for what it is, and at that time it was being re-printed but not yet available.

Amazon do stock the book and the last time I checked it was still unavailable.

I also checked to see if any used copies were available but at that time there were none for sale, but I will keep checking as this could produce a copy at a reasonable choice.

...but it is still a lot of wonga just to get a glimpse of a couple of small side view images.......although they could be the "missing link".

I have not seen the images in the book, but there are a few photographs available that have been shown on this thread and they do give enough information to make a reasonable  free-lance model that may be quite close, but the side elevation views would enable a more accurate rendering of the original so I will keep looking for an affordable used copy.

......and when we are allowed out to play again I will see if the local library can get a copy for me to read. :-))
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: ChrisF on March 06, 2021, 01:41:21 pm
Hi Will - given that there was only such a small number produced I'm not really surprised that other drawings haven't been found and no brochure so far.

Bob - Like you I tried a number of sources when I heard about the book but it wasn't in stock anywhere. But then Dave M said he was getting one direct from the author and did I want one?

Coffee table type books are often expensive due to their limited appeal and small print runs but I don't think it's too bad  compared with the price of other things we buy! Of course it's not just about the Solent Spear drawings but all the other information - it's certainly a labour of love given all the drawings produced, many of which required boats to be measured up. I've found it an invaluable source of information and has been the inspiration for 4 of my builds including 2 I wouldn't of known anything about. No, I'm not on a cut!

Chris
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: zooma on March 06, 2021, 04:32:11 pm
Thanks Chris,

I have seen the side drawings you refer to now  :-)) and they look like there is enough information shown to make a good start on some side templates.

Now it's down to me to find some time and see what I can come up with.

Bob.


Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: jpdenver on March 06, 2021, 08:13:22 pm
Greetings from this side of the pond. 

I have a question for the "group".
Does the UK have a "Fair Use Doctrine" pertaining to copyrighted materials the same way the US does? 

In the US, we may use/access/repurpose/or display copyrighted materials in certain "fair uses" as long as
the use is non-commercial, and as long as the use does not diminish the commercial value of the original
copyrighted item. 

From the US Copyright Office Web Site:
"Fair use is a legal doctrine that promotes freedom of expression by permitting the unlicensed use of copyright-protected works in certain circumstances. Section 107 of the Copyright Act (http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107) provides the statutory framework for determining whether something is a fair use and identifies certain types of uses—such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research—as examples of activities that may qualify as fair use. " 

My daughter is a Contracts and Intellectual Property Attorney here in Colorado.  I asked her if posting a picture out of a copyrighted book or article
where the use was to educate about and discuss the item shown in the picture would constitute "Fair Use". 

Her answer was "Most Certainly" as long as there was not a charge for viewing the image, and if it was used for the purposes of education and research. 

So -  It seems to me that a photo of a boat that was published in a catalog of full size boats, when used as a focal point of discussion and for the
non-commercial use of designing a model, should certainly be allowed. 

The entire purpose of this forum is EDUCATION.  And the primary reason I am here is RESEARCH. 

So - while it is up the moderators to make the decisions, and we all abide with those,  :police:   
I would encourage some investigation as to what constitutes Fair Use in the UK, and if we might
be permitted to post portions of copyrighted works in order to discuss, research, and be educated. 

Just my thoughts from the back yard patio.
Regards to all,
Respectfully,
JPDenver
Jim Pope
Denver, CO USA 





Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: ChrisF on March 06, 2021, 09:05:37 pm
Hi Jim

I don't know exactly what the situation is in the UK, though I think it's similar, without looking it up and because of that I always err on the side of caution.

Also, the author of the book has been very kind in providing me with information with regards to some of my builds and out of courtesy, nevermind copyright, I'd always ask his permission beforehand, which he was happy to give for a club article.

The other problem, is that once shown on a forum, they often get picked up by the internet and then appear in Google etc. searches over which we have little control. A number of my images show up if searches for Fairey are made which have come from my build blogs! I don't have a problem with that but I wasn't very happy a few years ago when a photograph of myself and my wife (just standing by my motorcycle!) appeared on the internet after one of our trips that I'd posted on a motorcycle forum. So I'm very careful of what I post!

So even if UK copyright does allow it I won't post any information from books etc. without permission.

Chris
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: jpdenver on March 07, 2021, 02:22:59 am
Chris,
I agree that permission is always a better route to take.   Especially if you know the author/creator
of the work you are posting.  And if the product is still commercially available (and I mean from a legit source,
and not as a "used" book with a stupidly high price)  then you should encourage the purchase and use of the
work in an "original" form. 

My main point to make, and my apologies for going "off-topic", is that one should not be afraid to post an excerpt
or scan of a picture just because the original work was once published even if it is technically "copyrighted".

I will go back to my own thread now,  again - apologies for the minor hijack.
Regards,

Jim 



Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: ChrisF on March 07, 2021, 11:10:06 am
No problem Jim.

You weren't to know that I am in contact with the author from time to time. And yes, it is still available from him, now in updated form.

I was even more cautious because they weren't just photos but drawings actually produced by him with all the work that they entail.

Chris
 
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: Stuw on March 07, 2021, 11:36:15 am
Chris,
I agree that permission is always a better route to take.   Especially if you know the author/creator
of the work you are posting.  And if the product is still commercially available (and I mean from a legit source,
and not as a "used" book with a stupidly high price)  then you should encourage the purchase and use of the
work in an "original" form. 

My main point to make, and my apologies for going "off-topic", is that one should not be afraid to post an excerpt
or scan of a picture just because the original work was once published even if it is technically "copyrighted".

I will go back to my own thread now,  again - apologies for the minor hijack.
Regards,

Jim


Good points by all. Now get back to making those screens Jim!  {-) %%
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: zooma on April 13, 2021, 06:24:48 pm
Yes, they did  :-))
Although, to be fair, it was a fairly crude adaptation of their popular Spearfish model...
Hope this helps.
Mark


(http://www.vintagepondyachts.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/mfa_spear-e1606778590139.jpg)


I may have just bought one of these ugly ducklings.....by mistake!

As I was checking my eBay account I saw a picture of what looked like a perfectly good mk2 Spearfish that had been adulterated by adding a wooden box to the top of it.

When I saw that it had received no bids, I put in a cheeky offer as I thought the hull would be good for a future project, although the superstructure was probably not worth the bother of saving.

My offer was accepted and the boat was delivered safely yesterday.   Although the superstructure looks a bit "naff" it was well put together and got me thinking about how I could convert this ugly cabin into something a little more attractive, so I started looking to see what I could find to give me some ideas for a revised cabin.

I was given a couple of drawings of the full sized Fairey Spear (Not the Solent Spear) - two versions - one looked like a military type and the other is more like a leisure craft - and they both looked a lot better than this one!

My online search then found the picture of an MFA box lid - the same picture that had been previously posted on this thread by Mark, and having taken a better look at it, I realised that boat that I have just bought may not be a mk2 Spearfish with a bodged-up cabin - it may have been built from the MFA Spear kit!
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: ChrisF on April 13, 2021, 06:38:24 pm
Hi Bob

Thinking some more about it I'm guessing that if it was a Spear then the cabin would be in plastic rather than timber? If so it makes the decision what to do with it easier!

Chris
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: zooma on April 13, 2021, 06:47:50 pm
You may be right Chris, but if anyone has a better picture of the MFA Spear I would really like to see it as I cannot be certain (from what I can see on this box-lid  picture) if this is a model boat that was built from an MFA kit or not and the picture suggests that the "box-like" structure is made from wood.

This box lid also shows a tantalising glimpse of six smaller pictures of the model in action - but I just cannot see them clearly - so if anyone has some clearer copies of these pictures they would be very interesting to see.

Also, any of the model boat magazines that may have done a build review of this model (or even printed an advertisement showing the MFA Spear)  would also be very helpful to see as well.

I would hate to destroy a rare vintage model (my guess is that this kit is "rare" because it is so ugly that it would not have sold very well!) by using the hull or by converting it to a nicer model of a Fairey Spear.

As I have a few other things "on the go" at the moment  I will not be doing anything to this model for some time,  so I am hoping that some further information such as good pictures of a completed model/advertisments/magazine articles will throw up some more information that my internet search has failed to uncover.
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: Vintage on April 13, 2021, 10:03:00 pm
You may be right Chris, but if anyone has a better picture of the MFA Spear I would really like to see it as I cannot be certain (from what I can see on this box-lid  picture) if this is a model boat that was built from an MFA kit or not and the picture suggests that the "box-like" structure is made from wood.

This box lid also shows a tantalising glimpse of six smaller pictures of the model in action - but I just cannot see them clearly - so if anyone has some clearer copies of these pictures they would be very interesting to see.


I'm absolutely certain that your model was built from the, exceedingly rare, MFA "Spear" kit.  :-))

I'd been watching the model on eBay and the seller, quite some time ago, offered it to me at quite a discount from the listing price. I didn't purchase it because I already have too many projects (apparently :)

I do have some old MFA catalogues somewhere so will see if I have some better reference, don't hold your breath though as I just don't have the time currently...

Mark
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: zooma on April 13, 2021, 10:39:13 pm
I'm absolutely certain that your model was built from the, exceedingly rare, MFA "Spear" kit.  :-))

I'd been watching the model on eBay and the seller, quite some time ago, offered it to me at quite a discount from the listing price. I didn't purchase it because I already have too many projects (apparently :)

I do have some old MFA catalogues somewhere so will see if I have some better reference, don't hold your breath though as I just don't have the time currently...

Mark


Thanks Mark,

I am pleased (in a way) that this is a genuine and rare MFA Spear, but it kind of puts the brakes on my plans to improve it and to make it look more like the real thing.

If I did "improve" it there would be even less originals left in circulation, but some of the details on mine may not have been built "as per kit instruction" (such as the front cabin roof) and may need correcting to improve the appearance in any case?   I have no idea really - hence the search for some more info.

Any extra pictures or information would be good - and you are the man with the Vintage info!

Any pictures of the "real thing" would be good too as there is nothing to be found about them on the net.

Stay safe,

Bob.
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: canabus on April 14, 2021, 12:14:53 am
Hi Zooma
I look at that bucket but he would not post to Australia.
Only the hull was passable.


Canabus
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: madwelshman on April 14, 2021, 08:28:28 am
Bob, as far as the real thing is concerned, have a look here and there are two brochures:


Spear and Spearfish - The Fairey Marine Hull Production Archive (google.com) (https://sites.google.com/site/scottpett/The-Fairey-Production-Archive/spear-and-spearfish)


These might give you some ideas of how it should look.
The mk1 brochure, has some side line views which could help if you are thinking of remaking the wheelhouse.



Will
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: Vintage on April 14, 2021, 09:52:11 am

Thanks Mark,

I am pleased (in a way) that this is a genuine and rare MFA Spear, but it kind of puts the brakes on my plans to improve it and to make it look more like the real thing.

Bob.

Hi Bob - I did, rather rashly and not having seen pictures, assume that the model you've just purchased was the one that I'd spotted some time ago on eBay.

However, having just checked my ebay account, I notice that that particular model is still for sale. What are the chances of two being available...

Here's the current listing:  Fibreglass Model Boat (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/fibre-glass-model-boat/123730943017)

Because I'd been watching it, and it has been listed for several weeks, the seller offered it to me at substantially less than it is listed for currently.

I will search through my early MFA catalogues when I get a chance and see if I can find further reference for you...

Mark
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: zooma on April 14, 2021, 10:21:12 am
Bob, as far as the real thing is concerned, have a look here and there are two brochures:


Spear and Spearfish - The Fairey Marine Hull Production Archive (google.com) (https://sites.google.com/site/scottpett/The-Fairey-Production-Archive/spear-and-spearfish)


These might give you some ideas of how it should look.
The mk1 brochure, has some side line views which could help if you are thinking of remaking the wheelhouse.



Will


Thanks Will,

I have downloaded and printed copies of these brochures  - they are full of information that I could not find anywhere else.

The real life Spear is a much better looking boat than the MFA kit suggests that it should look like  (assuming that my model is the genuine MFA Spear that we believe to to be) .

I actually think that the Mk1 Spear and the Mk2 Spear are both attractive looking boats.  The Mk1 has a more "classic" look and the Mk2 is a more modern all moulded GRP  patrol boat that also has its own appeal.

My eBay purchase has opened some new doors for me - the Spear is not an ugly duckling after all - and a Mk1 Spear could be made into a very attractive model boat using the information that I now have to refer to.

Many thanks - Bob.
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: ChrisF on April 14, 2021, 10:22:15 am
Mark - interesting.  Obviously the owner doesn't know what it is and with that description won't be picked up by many folks. Also many would think it was a Spearfish that someone had grafted a raised enclosed cockpit on not knowing about the MFA Spear, as many of us didn't, myself included.

Will - I'd forgotten about that resource, some really useful information there. The Faun that will be one of my next builds is also there.

Chris 
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: zooma on April 14, 2021, 10:39:36 am
Hi Bob - I did, rather rashly and not having seen pictures, assume that the model you've just purchased was the one that I'd spotted some time ago on eBay.

However, having just checked my ebay account, I notice that that particular model is still for sale. What are the chances of two being available...

Here's the current listing:  Fibreglass Model Boat (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/fibre-glass-model-boat/123730943017)

Because I'd been watching it, and it has been listed for several weeks, the seller offered it to at substantially less than it is listed for currently.

I will search through my early MFA catalogues when I get a chance and see if I can find further reference for you...

Mark



The model I have is based on a Mk 2 Spearfish and I think the one that you refer to looks like it is based on a Mk 1 Spearfish and has had an additional fishing platform added on top of the cab roof.

It would be interesting to find out if MFA only made the one variant based on the Mk1 Spearfish kit. This model has a one piece lift-off top and makes access to the internals much easier.

My model is a Mk 2 and the builder has added a large roof hatch to the front cabin to be able to gain access to the motor.  I am thinking that my boat is not an original MFA Spear and if so it would make an ideal "doner" as a base for a "closer to scale" replica to be made - and this also resolves my hesitation to spoil a rare collectors model as it is probably not an MFA Spear.

Your MFA references could finally confirm this of course, but at the moment I am thinking that my Spear is a "freelance" model based on a Mk2 Spearfish.
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: canabus on April 14, 2021, 11:00:15 am
Hi Lads
I think MFA try to market the Solent from the Mark2 kit from what I found, but boy they got it wrong !!!


This boat has been on sale for over two years and I thought it was personal add on!!!


It a rare kit, but, not right and over priced!!!


Canabus

Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: zooma on April 14, 2021, 02:10:21 pm
(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2021/04/14/75301E15-3952-4517-875B-2D7A10D47040.jpg)
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: zooma on April 14, 2021, 02:16:25 pm
My first attempt at up-loading a picture has produced a bit of a monster!

It is a picture of the "Spear" that I have just bought (pictures originally taken from the eBay listing).

I copied the picture from my iMac onto the Mayhem album and imported it - but how do I shrink it to a more manageable size?
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: DJW on April 14, 2021, 02:36:39 pm
Hi Zooma


I normally resize images to 650px wide, and keep the aspect.  I use Windows, but someone may be able to recommend a quick resizing tool for the Mac.


Best regards
David.
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: ChrisF on April 14, 2021, 02:54:33 pm


The model I have is based on a Mk 2 Spearfish and I think the one that you refer to looks like it is based on a Mk 1 Spearfish and has had an additional fishing platform added on top of the cab roof.

It would be interesting to find out if MFA only made the one variant based on the Mk1 Spearfish kit. This model has a one piece lift-off top and makes access to the internals much easier.

My model is a Mk 2 and the builder has added a large roof hatch to the front cabin to be able to gain access to the motor.  I am thinking that my boat is not an original MFA Spear and if so it would make an ideal "doner" as a base for a "closer to scale" replica to be made - and this also resolves my hesitation to spoil a rare collectors model as it is probably not an MFA Spear.

Your MFA references could finally confirm this of course, but at the moment I am thinking that my Spear is a "freelance" model based on a Mk2 Spearfish.


Given that there are so few about and obviously not many were sold I doubt that MFA would have deemed it viable to bring out a Mk. II version and agree with you that it is an adapted Spearfish.


As said a better built version of the Spear would make a nice pair with a Spearfish.


And I thought I was  a Fairey fanatic!


Chris
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: Stuw on April 14, 2021, 02:58:03 pm
Looks a bit of an ugly one Bob! But under the wheelhouse and Police signs even I (with my short time on here) noticed it was a Fairey of sorts. Since joining this forum I have started to quite like the look of the Faireys (full size and models). Perhaps I shall try to build one from a plan in the future. Or buy an old vintage and tinker.... %%


I saw that on eBay and thought it might have been a crude home made addition to an otherwise reusable boat. I decided that I have more than enough to do with my single boat let alone start adding to my collection and wondered if you might give it a good home.  {-)


I tend to email back to myself on my iPhone any pics to upload as I then get the option to reduce resolution as I try to send it. However half the time they seem squashed or wide like yours so I wouldn’t worry. We can scroll left and right to take in all the details!
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: zooma on April 14, 2021, 03:37:03 pm
Looks a bit of an ugly one Bob! But under the wheelhouse and Police signs even I (with my short time on here) noticed it was a Fairey of sorts. Since joining this forum I have started to quite like the look of the Faireys (full size and models). Perhaps I shall try to build one from a plan in the future. Or buy an old vintage and tinker.... %%


I saw that on eBay and thought it might have been a crude home made addition to an otherwise reusable boat. I decided that I have more than enough to do with my single boat let alone start adding to my collection and wondered if you might give it a good home.  {-)

I tend to email back to myself on my iPhone any pics to upload as I then get the option to reduce resolution as I try to send it. However half the time they seem squashed or wide like yours so I wouldn’t worry. We can scroll left and right to take in all the details!


Hi Stuw,

If you fancy building a Fairey from plan I strongly recommend that you start with a 1/12 scale Swordsman.

It makes a nice size of model at 33" long - only 6" shorter than your Javelin - but still big enough to use in any water conditions that you would use the Javelin in - it may even be even more capable! (I raced my 1/12 scale Swordsman off-shore !).

The Swordsman builds easily and makes a good first "build from plan" model to take on. It was the first model boat that I ever built back in the 1960's.

New plans for the Phillip Connolly Swordsman can be bought online from Sarik and Aerokits plans can still be found from time to time on eBay. Both make the same size model.

The Aerokits version has a fixed superstructure with access via the removable cabin tops and the Phillip Conolly plans build a model with a complete lift-off superstructure that give unparalleled access as it only sits on the deck, and these plans also come with the drawings for the bulkheads etc.

The Aerokits plans are those that would have been included in the kit box so they have no details of bulkheads etc so you need to work them out for yourself..........or borrow my cereal packet templates that I have used to build mine from !  ;)

Finding a secondhand Swordsman to "tinker with" will not be easy.  They are highly prized performers that are seldom seen for sale anywhere.


BTW - my new Spear is NOT a "bit of an ugly one"........it is a very ugly one .............but I like it, and I will like it even more after I have made a few changes!

Stay safe,

Bob.
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: zooma on September 06, 2021, 08:57:53 pm
Yes, they did  :-))
Although, to be fair, it was a fairly crude adaptation of their popular Spearfish model...
Hope this helps.
Mark


(http://www.vintagepondyachts.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/mfa_spear-e1606778590139.jpg)


I may well have just acquired one of these ugly (but original) monstrosities  :police: :police:
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: zooma on September 07, 2021, 10:00:43 am
Does anyone have one of the original boxes for this MFA Spear kit by any chance?


I don’t especially want a box, but I would like to see some clear photos of the pictures shown around the box of the finished boat as it would be a very helpful reference.


Does anyone know if MFA included the regular Spearfish building instructions in the Spear kit - but perhaps printed some additional instructions for the Spear kit? These would be good to see and read!
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: ChrisF on October 13, 2021, 12:54:29 pm
You are in luck Bob.

A chap has recently started building a Spear kit on RCGroups/Boats/Scale Boats.

Chris
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: zooma on October 13, 2021, 01:36:45 pm
You are in luck Bob.

A chap has recently started building a Spear kit on RCGroups/Boats/Scale Boats.

Chris


Thanks for that Chris - I will try to find that site and take a look  :-))






............found the site and the article thanks Chris - I will follow the kit build with interest!


Bob.
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: madwelshman on October 13, 2021, 10:23:56 pm
You are in luck Bob.

A chap has recently started building a Spear kit on RCGroups/Boats/Scale Boats.

Chris


Another build blog to subscribe to. Cheers Chris.
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: zooma on October 13, 2021, 10:27:07 pm
Here you go Will :-


https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?3984015-New-build-MFA-Spear-Police-boat
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: madwelshman on October 13, 2021, 10:30:48 pm
Thank you Bob.


Always good to see other peoples take on a Fairey.


Will
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: canabus on October 14, 2021, 07:42:30 am
Hi All


Well I made the full windscreen for a start using the Spearfish windscreen, only higher and a longer.


Used 2mm clear Perspex/ Plexiglass/Acrylic


I think it look better than the MFA one .


Canabus
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: zooma on October 14, 2021, 09:54:43 am
Are you going to add a thin plywood frame to the windscreen Harry?
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: canabus on October 14, 2021, 10:35:25 am
Hi Zooma


Thin plywood or white plastic, working on the multi-shape roof at present.


Harry
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: Rhodeislander on October 31, 2021, 01:33:32 am
Hi all,I have a box in pretty good shape. Will try to get some pics for you.Bud
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: zooma on October 31, 2021, 10:51:04 am
Hi Bud,

I bought a complete used MFA Spear on eBay - and by the time it was delivered, the courier had converted it to a flat pack  >:-o

The wooden cabin sides and screen were all separate and the glass fibre wheelhouse roof was also detached so I will have to rebuild the model when it becomes next on my project list.

As far as I can see everything is there and the parts are complete and at least good enough to re-use - or copy and replace with nice new clean wood (which is probably what I would choose to do.

My Spear has previously been powered by a glow engine and so the inside of the hull needs some serious cleaning and degreasing, but all of the parts that should be glued into place are now loose, so once the cleaning is finished I will probably start again with all new plywood.

Although the temptation is to preserve what is quite a rare model kit (not many were sold), I may take the opportunity to improve the shape of the wheelhouse so that it more closely resembles a full size Spear, and I am hoping that some of our Mayhem readers will have some pictures of some real life Spear's that they may like to share to add to the data base that we have to work from.

As far as I can see, most of the original Spear craft were used for "official" use and patrol duties etc, but some may well have found their way into private ownership (especially in their later years) and may well have enjoyed some subtle refurbishments that could make for an interesting model.

Any pictures would be handy for anyone that has an MFA Spear that they would like to improve - or for any MFA Spearfish owners that fancy a change and would like to convert theirs to a Spear as it should be quite an easy conversion.

The Fairy Spear was quite a commercial looking design that was built for functionality, and whilst it is still not the ugliest boat on the water, it cannot begin to compare with the later Solent Spear that really is a good looking craft.
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: Rhodeislander on October 31, 2021, 04:04:04 pm
Zooma,If you need pictures or anything I can provide from my kit, let me know.I agree its not a great looking cabin, but as my first real build I may stick with stock. I have looked online for old police boat pictures and came up empty.Again, dont hesitate to ask for what you need.Bud
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: zooma on October 31, 2021, 07:27:42 pm
Thanks Bud,


I will let you know if I need anything when I start work, but apart from a copy of the kit building instructions (it would be handy to take a look at them) I think I should be OK with what I have.


Stay safe,


Bob.
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: Rhodeislander on November 01, 2021, 02:13:40 am
Here are box pictures I have.I will load instructions tomorrow.Bud
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: zooma on November 01, 2021, 08:50:32 am
Hi Bud,


Those box pictures make the MFA Spear look really long, low, and sleek on the water - as if the pictures had been stretched slightly  :o


I must put my loose superstructure parts together again and take another look  %) 


Mine looks more chunky - just like the main box lid picture you posted previously.


Bob.
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: tonyH on November 01, 2021, 09:50:46 am
Don't despair Bob, you don't need new glasses! Bit of wide screen wander!
 :-))
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: zooma on November 01, 2021, 10:09:05 am
Don't despair Bob, you don't need new glasses! Bit of wide screen wander!
 :-))


Ha - I think the MFA Spear would benefit from a little wide screen wander  {-)
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: Rhodeislander on November 01, 2021, 10:53:14 pm
Haha,I load pictures as attachments and it changes them. Is there a way to load photos without the distortion. Really, its looks much better in pictures.Bud
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: tonyH on November 16, 2021, 01:41:28 pm
This is the one that Bob appears to have acquired.....as advertised and, ahem, as received. Shurely Shome Mishtake!
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: zooma on November 16, 2021, 02:44:04 pm
Thanks Tony,


The pipes and tubing from the previous ic engine power were taken out and thrown away on arrival, but the inside still needs a good wash-out.


Most of the internal parts that were glass fibered into the hull had a very loose bond - possibly due to the fuel saturation(?) so that makes everything inside the hull quite easy to remove too so a clear inside should make it easier to wash-out and clean.


The hull is un-damaged so the model had a good solid base.


As for the CKD superstructure - well that wasn't fastened together very well either, so all of the component parts fell apart during delivery making it easy to reassemble and perhaps make copies of for future reference.
Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: Stuw on November 16, 2021, 07:47:09 pm
Like your positive attitude! As you say, At least the glassfibre hull should end up clean and undamaged by the fuel (unlike some plywood hulls!)



Title: Re: Solent Spear - Has anyone built a model of one?
Post by: zooma on November 17, 2021, 10:04:00 am
Like your positive attitude! As you say, At least the glassfibre hull should end up clean and undamaged by the fuel (unlike some plywood hulls!)


..........there speaks the voice of experience.. O0