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Title: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: zooma on November 22, 2020, 09:06:23 pm
I noticed this part made kit advertised for sale by auction on eBay with a starting price of £40 but no bids had been received - so being a sucker for rescuing basket cases, and being a Fairey Marine enthusiast who would quite like to add a Huntsman 31 to his fleet (and noticing that the fibre glass hull hull looked like it had not been touched) I made an offer for the £40 starting price.


To my utter surprise my offer was accepted (with no haggling) so I bought it!


A very reasonable tenner was added to cover the delivery costs and the boxed kit arrived yesterday.


The seller very fairly pointed out that the kit had been badly made and that it would probably be best to take it apart and start again, and that the kit had no plans and no building instructions.


I was really pleased to see that the hull really was "as new" so anything else that I found in the box should be regarded as a bonus!  There are some other un-used die-cut parts in the box (including the deck) and I noticed that the wood really is very low grade - something that other Precedent Huntsman kit owners have previously commented on, so this one is no better.


Although this model is not the 1/12 scale that I would have preferred (making it slightly longer than the 1/12 scale Swordsman rather than slightly shorter!) it is none the less a nice size that is handy for carrying and storing and still yet it is still big enough to cope with any water condition that our local Southport Club lake is ever likely to offer.


My thoughts were that with a glass fibre hull I could "whip it together" quickly and have some fun using it over the winter months to test various motor and ESC combinations that would come in handy for when the Swordsman that I am building is finished..........or at least, that was what the thought process was used to justify adding another project that I really didn't need.


Apart from the poor wood quality (something that I was expecting thanks to previous reports about Precedent kits) everything so far looked good, so now it was time to take a look at the "poor build" warning that came from the seller.


The only part of the kit that had been put together was the superstructure.  The first thing I noticed was that this Huntsman 31 has "pointy topped roofs" and that it was not only the joints that were fairly well coated with a think layer of goo, but this goo had also been splashed about in several areas that did not have a joint.


These lumps looked a bit like the coating you would see on a toffee apple (complete with the runs) so I am thinking that the builder of the kit had attempted to glue it together with a hot melt gun?


This would have given him (or her) no time to try to position the various parts together accurately before the hot melt had set unless the parts had been pre-aligned before the glue gun was aimed at them, but clearly this had not been done as there are some fairly big gaps between layers of wood that should have been tightly glued together with no gaps.


Pointy roofs are formed when hard lumps of hot melt are formed under the roof skins preventing them from following the curve of the roof formers.  Mystery solved - Huntsman 31 boats should not have "pointy roofs"! 


I will take the sellers advice and see if I can prise the superstructure apart so I can copy the shapes in some decent wood and rebuild the super-structure without "pointy roofs" as cabin tops.


A set of building instructions would be very handy,  and ChrisF has kindly offered to let me borrow a copy of his plans, so I should have all the information I need to get this into one lump in time for some winter running (!).


I have already ordered an 11" M5 prop shaft (same size as I used on the Swordsman) but I may need to change this for a 12' shaft as this boat will be an inch longer than the Swordsman - but I will see what it looks like when it arrives and use it if I can as I like to use the shortest  shaft that I can on Fairy hulls to get the weight towards the rear of the hull to improve the "nose-down" attitude they can have as they "sit"on the water with before they get moving.



Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: madwelshman on November 22, 2020, 10:17:19 pm
Ah ha, so that's where it went. I noticed it on there and stuck it in my watched items  :-)


What's the plan for this one?

Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: zooma on November 22, 2020, 10:43:26 pm
Hi Will,

My plan is to get it finished (but with better quality plywood) and to run it on our local club lake in Southport.

I think it could be a nice model, but to make it the way I would like it , almost every part will have to be replaced and cut from new wood so it will not be as quick to put together as I had hoped it would be!

Another Fairey Marine on the water has got to be a good thing!

Stay safe!

Bob.
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: madwelshman on November 22, 2020, 10:55:56 pm
Bob,


That's great news. The quality of some of those kits are a little questionable, from what i have learned, so using better quality products will result in a nice vessel.


As you say, brilliant that another Fairey is being saved.


Was it a 34" that one, or am I thinking of a different one I have seen somewhere?


Will
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: Ralph on November 22, 2020, 11:06:38 pm
If you have one, an electric paint stripping gun would probably soften the hot glue gloop, make it easier to pull apart.


Good luck with it.


Ralph
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: madwelshman on November 22, 2020, 11:16:55 pm
If you have one, an electric paint stripping gun would probably soften the hot glue gloop, make it easier to pull apart.




That's a damn good idea Ralph.


With the mods I want to make to mine and, a few areas that aren't as solid as when the original builder glued them, I have a few pieces to get some fresh glue into. Getting them separated will make that job much easier.


Cheers.
Will
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: DaveM on November 22, 2020, 11:28:15 pm
Bob,
The quality of some of those kits are a little questionable, from what i have learned, so using better quality products will result in a nice vessel.
Will
To be fair, the 34" 1/11 scale Huntsman was not a SLEC kit - it was made when Anglian Models owned the rights and the tooling. The quality of their products was uniformly poor with the exception of the GRP hull mouldings. The SLEC Huntsman kits were totally redesigned and only marketed in the last three years; they are either 1/16 or 1/8 scale , with no GRP hull option.
Dave M
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: zooma on November 23, 2020, 10:40:00 am
To be fair, the 34" 1/11 scale Huntsman was not a SLEC kit - it was made when Anglian Models owned the rights and the tooling. The quality of their products was uniformly poor with the exception of the GRP hull mouldings. The SLEC Huntsman kits were totally redesigned and only marketed in the last three years; they are either 1/16 or 1/8 scale , with no GRP hull option.
Dave M


Hi Dave,


This is definitely a Precedent kit and it was delivered to me in the original Precedent box.


As far as I know SLEC never made the 34" version of the Huntsman 31, but maybe when Anglian Models had the rights and tooling they made this kit?  I will check the label to see if here are any signs to indicate who actually produced this kit under the Precedent name.


You are right about the GRP hull - it is nicely moulded, but the deep V has been rounded off along the keel line - presumably to make it a little easier to mould?  A wooden hull would produce the sharper apex that would not have this softened "melted" peak look, but on the water this will not be seen and I am very happy with it.


You are also right about the wood quality not being very good and is one of the reasons why I will be re-cutting the parts in some better quality plywood. The other reason for cutting new parts is that some have been assembled and are poorly aligned and heavily coated with what looks like dripping hot melt.


If it were possible to sand this excess glue off, I would still be left with a badly assembled structure (with lots of gaps and glue) made from poor quality wood, so If I can get it apart I will copy the shapes, and if not ChrisF has kindly offered me a plan for the original 34" Modav/Precedent kit that I can make some new (cereal packet) templates from.


This will not be a "quick build" model as the need to re-cut all the wooden parts will take almost as long as building the model from plan, but it will be nice to rescue another model that should now have a better future........unless I also make a bad job of it!


Say safe,


Bob.
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: zooma on November 23, 2020, 10:53:20 am
If you have one, an electric paint stripping gun would probably soften the hot glue gloop, make it easier to pull apart.


Good luck with it.


Ralph


Hi Ralf,


Thanks for your helpful suggestion. I have not tried to get the glue off yet, but your idea could come in handy if the glue that looks like hot melt actually is hot melt!



I don't know of any other glue that would dry like this - if it were epoxy it would have "flowed" better and would have made the joint almost impossible to take apart without damage.


This glue appears to be laying on top of the surface in lumps rather than penetrating the fibre of the wood so I am hopeful that I may be able to peel-away at least some of it but a little heat could help to loosen some of the joints that are filled with the glue.


Time will tell, but if takes too long and will not come apart without causing too much damage it would be easier to make new templates from the plan.


Bob.
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: DaveM on November 23, 2020, 11:26:58 am
Trust me, Bob. I 've been closely involved with Modav/Balsacraft-Precedent/SLEC for almost 50 years and the Huntsman was my first kit for them. Anglian took on the Precedent name (and a lot of box labels and instructions) when Balsacraft was sold to Ripmax, but I doubt if you'll find any evidence of that in the kit paperwork. They insisted on using their own labour and machinery to produce the kits but they knew little about sourcing timber or the technique of die-cutting liteply. The tools need regular clearing or they distort the parts and start to crunch the wood instead of cutting it cleanly. They didn't do this, which is one reason why their kits were such a mess. The real Huntsman's keel was rounded and not sharp, presumably because it was made from hot-moulded Agba veneers laminated in an autoclave. Sharp corners are a weak point in just about any structure unless reinforced inside.
Dave M
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: zooma on November 23, 2020, 11:51:50 am
Trust me, Bob. I 've been closely involved with Modav/Balsacraft-Precedent/SLEC for almost 50 years and the Huntsman was my first kit for them. Anglian took on the Precedent name (and a lot of box labels and instructions) when Balsacraft was sold to Ripmax, but I doubt if you'll find any evidence of that in the kit paperwork. They insisted on using their own labour and machinery to produce the kits but they knew little about sourcing timber or the technique of die-cutting liteply. The tools need regular clearing or they distort the parts and start to crunch the wood instead of cutting it cleanly. They didn't do this, which is one reason why their kits were such a mess. The real Huntsman's keel was rounded and not sharp, presumably because it was made from hot-moulded Agba veneers laminated in an autoclave. Sharp corners are a weak point in just about any structure unless reinforced inside.
Dave M


Hi Dave,


Thanks for the info and for letting me know about your involvement with the kit design and its production history.


Your picture of a real Huntsman stern view is also very helpful as I did not know that the hull shape was rounded at the apex.


I don't have any paperwork in my kit to refer to - only the box label  - but it sounds like the manufacturing source of my particular kit will remain unknown, but it makes no difference as I am happy with my purchase and hope to make a model that will keep me entertained and give me some pleasure running it when it is finished.


My new cut parts will not be made from liteply as I prefer to work with birch plywood but other than that it will stay true to your original design.


Stay safe,


Bob.



Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: tonyH on November 23, 2020, 12:15:17 pm
To illustrate the points!
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: madwelshman on November 23, 2020, 01:46:59 pm

First of all, let me say, Dave M, my comments weren't a dig at you in any way shape of form, so apologies if it was taken that way.
Yes, the fibreglass hull isn't a bad mould, but as I said, or at least meant, the timber side of things let the kit down a bit.


Tony, looks like you have something you can work with there and certainly improve upon.


Will
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: DaveM on November 23, 2020, 02:19:07 pm
First of all, let me say, Dave M, my comments weren't a dig at you in any way shape of form, so apologies if it was taken that way.
Yes, the fibreglass hull isn't a bad mould, but as I said, or at least meant, the timber side of things let the kit down a bit.
Tony, looks like you have something you can work with there and certainly improve upon.
Will
Will
No offence taken or even perceived, but there are folk out there who might infer from what's been said earlier that the current SLEC Huntsman kits are poor quality. They aren't.


TonyThat is truly horrible!

Bob
I've seen one and from your description I'm 99.9% certain yours is an Angian Models kit. Ian at SLEC would never have let rubbish like that leave the factory! I would probably use birch ply for the frames in your GRP hull with a combination of birch and lite ply for the superstructure.
It's nice to see such renewed interest in a kit which I designed so long ago, as well as the newer 1/16 scale version. They do look fabulous on the water.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw1C8SfZPS4&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw1C8SfZPS4&feature=youtu.be)
Dave M
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: madwelshman on November 23, 2020, 03:51:18 pm

Dave,


I understand what you're saying.
Because this thread is posted as a Precedent version, I hope people would realise that was the kit that I was referring to and not the latest kits.  Maybe I should have been a little more specific with what I said/meant, but I just presumed people would take it in reference to the Precedent kits.


Will
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: zooma on November 23, 2020, 04:46:36 pm
Dave,


I understand what you're saying.
Because this thread is posted as a Precedent version, I hope people would realise that was the kit that I was referring to and not the latest kits.  Maybe I should have been a little more specific with what I said/meant, but I just presumed people would take it in reference to the Precedent kits.


Will
 


Don't worry Will,

It is only my recent eBay purchase that started this thread, and it is about an old part-built Precedent kit of the 34" long Huntsman 31 that has a white GRP moulded hull.

Hopefully the thread will make an interesting read, but any observations made about my "new to me" kit and its poor quality wood etc only refer to this kit, even though some have found that their own Precedent kits had similar quality problems - making my scruffy example far from unique in that respect!

As with most build threads the contributions may "wander off piste" a little from time to time, but that can only make the thread more interesting and include more people who have helpful and interesting comments to make.

There must have been a lot of these Precedent kits sold (both with and without the GRP hull) so I am hoping it may help awaken some fond old memories (maybe some not so fond!) from previous owner/builders who would like to share their own experiences of either building or running one of these shorter 34" Precedent Huntsman 31 models.


Bob.
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: zooma on November 23, 2020, 05:19:16 pm


Tony  That is truly horrible!   

Bob
I've seen one and from your description I'm 99.9% certain yours is an Angian Models kit. Ian at SLEC would never have let rubbish like that leave the factory! I would probably use birch ply for the frames in your GRP hull with a combination of birch and lite ply for the superstructure.
It's nice to see such renewed interest in a kit which I designed so long ago, as well as the newer 1/16 scale version. They do look fabulous on the water. 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw1C8SfZPS4&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw1C8SfZPS4&feature=youtu.be)

Dave M




Tony kindly posted the pictures that I took of my "new to me" kit when it arrived.  "truly horrible" you say  - fair comment !     .............and it just goes to show that one picture can be worth a thousand words.  We almost have enough pictures here for a complete horror novel   {-)


The pictures of the excess adhesive show why I think it could be hot melt - not much else could make a mess like this............or could it?


Watching the Huntsman 31 on the youtube link above is truly inspirational and also shows what "weedy" little ABS plastic air intakes I have glued onto the sides of mine.  I think I will make mine a little bigger when I rebuild the superstructure as they look so much better on the featured video boat!



Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: madwelshman on November 23, 2020, 06:14:26 pm
Apologies to you too Bob, for causing a bit of a takeover of your thread  :embarrassed:


Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, it's great to see another Fairey on here (that's not aimed at you, but the boat  {-) )
I for one will be following your progress on it with great interest and look forward to seeing the end result, whenever that may be.


Will
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: zooma on November 23, 2020, 06:28:21 pm
Apologies to you too Bob, for causing a bit of a takeover of your thread  :embarrassed:


Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, it's great to see another Fairey on here (that's not aimed at you, but the boat  {-) )
I for one will be following your progress on it with great interest and look forward to seeing the end result, whenever that may be.


Will


Hi Will,

This build will not be as fast as it was intended to be due to the need to replace every wooden part in the kit, and I want to keep my 1/12 scale Swordsman build moving along as the Swordsman was my first ever r/c model boat and I built it when I was (much) younger from an Aerokits kit back in the 1960's.

This was the ONLY model boat kit that I wanted to buy and make at the time as it was (in my eyes at least) by far the best looking power boat I had ever seen.  I was smitten by the Fairey Marine design at a young age and have waited for far too long to replace it and own another one.

I may be a Fairey fancier - but I don't have a magic wand  {-)
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: Colin Bishop on November 23, 2020, 06:29:55 pm
As an aside, having built both the SLEC Huntsman and Swordsman 1:16 kits I have to say that I think they are the best designed kits I have ever constructed. The parts go together almost like an Airfix kit - quite an achievement for something that is mainly constructed of liteply. Dave is a bit of a genius although he won't thank me for saying so.

Colin
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: SailorGreg on November 23, 2020, 06:32:55 pm


The pictures of the excess adhesive show why I think it could be hot melt - not much else could make a mess like this............or could it?



Not sure that is hot melt, it could well be an epoxy, ladled on in spoonfuls and left to find its own way.  Can you mark it with a finger nail?  If it's that soft, it could be hot melt (or a poorly mixed epoxy!).  If it is hard, it's probably epoxy.  But the good news is that most "domestic" epoxies will soften with heat, so a heat gun should allow you to get the joints apart.  The glue won't go runny, but gentle use of a stanley knife should open up the joint.  You probably won't be able to clean off all those lovely gobs of glue, but at least you should be able to get a template off the piece.  It does need to be quite hot though, a hair drier won't cut it.  Good luck!

Greg
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: tonyH on November 23, 2020, 07:17:13 pm
If it's a very old and rigid lump it's almost certainly old furniture glue heated in a bucket OR Croid, if someone had a VERY old tube!
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: Leaky Bottom on November 23, 2020, 07:19:30 pm
Hello
I've got a Precedent 34" Huntsman but mine is the wooden hulled version, I once ran it alongside a grp hulled version and mine appeared to be a lot more stable, the only thing we could conclude was that the grp one was top heavy so it may be wise to build the superstructure as light as possible.


It will be good to see it when finished :-))
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: Ralph on November 23, 2020, 09:03:45 pm
Not sure that is hot melt, it could well be an epoxy, ladled on in spoonfuls and left to find its own way


I agree with Greg - it does look more like epoxy than hot melt. An alternative to the hot air gun I mentioned before would be to run a flat tipped soldering bolt along the joints - that should burn off either epoxy or hot glue (but do it outside cos it'll stink you out with eye watering smoke).


Ralph
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: zooma on November 23, 2020, 09:14:16 pm
Not sure that is hot melt, it could well be an epoxy, ladled on in spoonfuls and left to find its own way.  Can you mark it with a finger nail?  If it's that soft, it could be hot melt (or a poorly mixed epoxy!).  If it is hard, it's probably epoxy.  But the good news is that most "domestic" epoxies will soften with heat, so a heat gun should allow you to get the joints apart.  The glue won't go runny, but gentle use of a stanley knife should open up the joint.  You probably won't be able to clean off all those lovely gobs of glue, but at least you should be able to get a template off the piece.  It does need to be quite hot though, a hair drier won't cut it.  Good luck!

Greg


Hi Greg,

I have had a chance to dig my fingernails into the "goo" and it is quite "gummy" and not hard or brittle.

The drips can also be lifted under a fingernail and pulled away from the wood, so I am guessing that it may be dried-on  hot-melt,  but the way it has flooded into the cab to front screen joints looks like it has filled the joint quite well and being a little "flexible" this could be a lot harder to get out of the joint without some heat.

I am boxing-up a nice little NTL600 power boat that I have just sold (wife's  rules = one boat in, one boat out!) and I need to get it ready for the carrier to uplift "first thing" but when I have finished I will get out into the workshop(shed) and have a proper "prod" at it and see what happens!

Stay safe!

Bob.
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: madwelshman on November 23, 2020, 10:21:27 pm
Fingers crossed it isn't as bad a job as you think it will be Bob.
You'll be on a roll once it does come apart though  :D
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: ChrisF on November 23, 2020, 11:07:11 pm
Good job you sold the NTL-600 Bob as I did have thoughts on asking how much you wanted for it!

With me it was one boat out and two in including your Scott Free! Though the two together are smaller than the Huntsman 47"! There are a couple of rooms in the house where there isn't a boat!

Chris
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: zooma on November 24, 2020, 09:46:58 am
I started to take apart some of the pre-glued cabin assembly last night.......not the best result !


The liteply is very weak and was quite happy to fall apart. This was especially tricky where the cab sides met the front and rear window screens where the glue was clogged very thickly in the corners.


The two halves of the cabin tops came away reasonably well, but I think the best thing I can do is to make a copy of the parts by drawing around them on the customary cereal packet cardboard before I loose any of the shapes as the wood falls apart.


This is bit too late for the rear screen (!) so I will be patching the pieces together today to make a card template from them.


One thing that I have noticed is just how big the front and rear cab windows are when compared with the Swordsmans front screen.  The occupants inside must have had more vision from inside a Huntsman than they would have had if they were inside the cabin of a Swordsman.


I am already thinking about changing the cab sides to those of the open cockpit type, but I don't know what cab options were made available on the Huntsman 31 hull - but I bet somebody on here does  %)
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: ChrisF on November 24, 2020, 02:15:00 pm
Voila!


Only two versions, the more common aft cabin and the Sport version designed primarily for racing. The full cockpit/Sport version looks very similar to the Spearfish so you can tick 2 boxes!


Chris

Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: ChrisF on November 24, 2020, 03:03:38 pm
Here are a couple of shots showing the interior of the cockpit. The deck by the transom is obscured but is only narrow, about 12" and follows the line of the transom.


I don't have a finished plan view as I stopped drawing when I decided to change to the aft cabin version but it's pretty simple and the coamings follow the same line as the aft cabin. So you could quite easily modify the deck piece by cutting back the area by the transom. Every time I see that side view I kinda wished I hadn't changed as it is a great looking boat, but I have too many open cockpit Faireys.

Chris
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: madwelshman on November 24, 2020, 03:37:23 pm
See, now I love Faireys, but to me, the aft cockpit version a much prettier boat than the aft cabin version. It doesn't look so bulky and heavy either.

I'm not sure what Huntsman plans I have, but I will check if any of them are of the aft cockpit version if you'd like me to Bob?

Will
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: ChrisF on November 24, 2020, 03:38:30 pm
Just remembered that I do have a shot of the transom before I converted from Sport to aft cabin. I was going to do it as a complete lift-off superstructure but it will be easier if the coamings are fixed and you use access hatches and you can make the coamings thinner as well as per the full-sized boat.

Hope this helps.

Apart from a very small scale version yours would be the first that I know about, so pretty unique! You know you want too!

Chris
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: ChrisF on November 24, 2020, 03:42:11 pm
See, now I love Faireys, but to me, the aft cockpit version a much prettier boat than the aft cabin version. It doesn't look so bulky and heavy either.

I'm not sure what Huntsman plans I have, but I will check if any of them are of the aft cockpit version if you'd like me to Bob?

Will


That's it Will rub it in! Maybe I'll build another hull in the future.


Chris
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: madwelshman on November 24, 2020, 03:46:56 pm

That's it Will rub it in! Maybe I'll build another hull in the future.


Chris

That wasn't the intension Chris, just personal preference.
The same applies to the Swordsman over the Super Swordsman.

Ultimately, I like all of the Fairey boats.

Will
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: ChrisF on November 24, 2020, 03:50:00 pm
It's alright, I was only joking!

I've got another Fairey in the pipeline that you might not like!!

Chris
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: madwelshman on November 24, 2020, 03:53:33 pm
Is that the Fisherman you briefly mentioned Chris?


Good news you are able to get things apart Bob, even if the wood isn't as strong any longer, at least you now have the option of doing something about it.

Will
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: zooma on November 24, 2020, 05:01:01 pm
Here are a couple of shots showing the interior of the cockpit. The deck by the transom is obscured but is only narrow, about 12" and follows the line of the transom.


I don't have a finished plan view as I stopped drawing when I decided to change to the aft cabin version but it's pretty simple and the coamings follow the same line as the aft cabin. So you could quite easily modify the deck piece by cutting back the area by the transom. Every time I see that side view I kinda wished I hadn't changed as it is a great looking boat, but I have too many open cockpit Faireys.

Chris


As I was taking the superstructure apart the rear window frame "exploded" - and a split second later I was thinking about the fast-back, and thanks to ChrisF,  I now know that this is known as the Sport.


The Sport certainly has a nice profile, and if I draw around the cabin sides as I remove them, I will try to free-hand draw the shape of the fast back and see if I can make it look as nice as the drawing Chris has made.


If I can get the shape right, I think I will rebuild my Huntsman 31 as a Sport.


My guess is that the deck width over the transom will be just over an inch wide on a 1/11 scale and with the pictures we now have on this thread I should be able to work the rest out as I go!

Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: zooma on November 24, 2020, 05:12:57 pm
Here are a couple of shots showing the interior of the cockpit. The deck by the transom is obscured but is only narrow, about 12" and follows the line of the transom.


I don't have a finished plan view as I stopped drawing when I decided to change to the aft cabin version but it's pretty simple and the coamings follow the same line as the aft cabin. So you could quite easily modify the deck piece by cutting back the area by the transom. Every time I see that side view I kinda wished I hadn't changed as it is a great looking boat, but I have too many open cockpit Faireys.

Chris



I don't think I will be using any of the kit wood Chris as it is not at all good, and I am thinking about making the cabin as a integral part of the boat with access via a lift-off cabin top, and if I do this I will piece the deck together around the superstructure (in the same way as the Swordsman).

This would give improved weather protection by keeping any "deck wash" water out of the hull, and I always think it looks neater by not having a joint between the deck top and the underside of the cabin - even with a perfectly made (but seldom seen) fit between the two.

I think a lift-off cabin top will give me enough room to get my big hands into if I ever want to change the motor, and the LiPo cells will be housed under cockpit floor which will also be a lift-out , so I will take a good look at it and see if I can make it work.
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: zooma on November 24, 2020, 05:16:29 pm
See, now I love Faireys, but to me, the aft cockpit version a much prettier boat than the aft cabin version. It doesn't look so bulky and heavy either.

I'm not sure what Huntsman plans I have, but I will check if any of them are of the aft cockpit version if you'd like me to Bob?

Will


Thanks Will - and you are absolutely right - the aft cockpit version is a much prettier boat   O0
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: madwelshman on November 24, 2020, 05:18:12 pm
Ooh, this is getting an even more interesting project now.


As the aft cockpit/Sport version of the H31 is what I was intending to attempt myself, your thread has just got even more interesting Bob

Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: zooma on November 24, 2020, 05:18:57 pm

Apart from a very small scale version yours would be the first that I know about, so pretty unique!        You know you want too!

Chris


You could be right!  :-))
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: ChrisF on November 24, 2020, 05:37:54 pm
Shots of one of the recently refurbished race boats, note the adjustable trim tabs, and an earlier shot of it at speed. Fabulous looking boat.

Chris
 
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: ChrisF on November 24, 2020, 05:47:36 pm



I don't think I will be using any of the kit wood Chris as it is not at all good, and I am thinking about making the cabin as a integral part of the boat with access via a lift-off cabin top, and if I do this I will piece the deck together around the superstructure (in the same way as the Swordsman).

This would give improved weather protection by keeping any "deck wash" water out of the hull, and I always think it looks neater by not having a joint between the deck top and the underside of the cabin - even with a perfectly made (but seldom seen) fit between the two.

I think a lift-off cabin top will give me enough room to get my big hands into if I ever want to change the motor, and the LiPo cells will be housed under cockpit floor which will also be a lift-out , so I will take a good look at it and see if I can make it work.


Hi Bob


I did it with the Huntsman 28 as that is a smaller hull for access but doubt I will be doing it again for the reasons you have given, well apart from the current builds!  %)


Chris
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: zooma on November 24, 2020, 06:22:35 pm
Shots of one of the recently refurbished race boats, note the adjustable trim tabs, and an earlier shot of it at speed. Fabulous looking boat.

Chris


That looks superb Chris!


I will base my rebuild on that one - how could I possibly rebuild it any other way  -  what a stunner!


It looks like the cabin sides go right to the back of the boat - so I will need to slightly lengthen the ones that I have taken off of this kit built superstructure when I draw
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[/size][size=78%].....and is that an aerofoil wing on the [/size][/size]too of the rear deck ?[size=78%]


Thanks for the pictures!


Bob.
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: zooma on November 24, 2020, 07:26:06 pm
Sorry - I don't know what happened to the text size in my last contribution to this thread - but the site will not allow me to correct it - so I hope you can read it OK.



Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: ChrisF on November 24, 2020, 07:41:31 pm
Hi Bob


That happens with the text sometimes.

Sorry but the photos are only low resolution. The piece at the rear of the deck is just an upstand that runs round the inside of the deck and butts up to the coamings and forms a backrest where seats are fitted.

Chris
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: zooma on November 24, 2020, 10:49:08 pm
I have seen some pictures online of the inside of a glass fibre hull like this one,  and it has a pair of parallel splines running from bow to stern with cross members and bulkheads to fit inside the g/f hull.


This looks like a good idea and the edges of my hull are a little wobbly so with an obechie strip running along the inside edge to straight the wobbles and some bulkheads and or cross members  to push the moulding out so that it is symmetrical I should get a good straight hull to build onto.


Old glass fibre hulls with unsupported sides like this one are bound to be a bit twisted - they may have even been like that when they were new.


OK - so thats the first thing for me to so -  get the hull sides wobble free and straight.........while I work out a suitable shape for the Sport cabin sides.
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: ChrisF on November 24, 2020, 11:37:19 pm
Yes, I seem to remember Harry saying that the Spearfish hull, which is basically the same, benefits from fore to aft timbers being fitted.

Chris
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: ChrisF on November 25, 2020, 12:42:02 am
Came across this site when Googling which is a new business. Very interesting and the boats look very expensive!

https://www.faireymarine.com/huntsman-31-aft-cockpit

Chris
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: madwelshman on November 25, 2020, 08:07:21 am
Came across this site when Googling which is a new business. Very interesting and the boats look very expensive!

https://www.faireymarine.com/huntsman-31-aft-cockpit (https://www.faireymarine.com/huntsman-31-aft-cockpit)

Chris


I dread to think what sort of area the prices are in.
As soon as a boat has the Fairey name to it, the price seems to double.


Absolutely gorgeous though.


Will
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: canabus on November 25, 2020, 10:08:46 am
Hi Lads


Yes, when I did some work on my mates Spearfish.


I added two 10mm stringers inside the Mark 1 hull because of drumming at speed.


This fix the problem and was the mounting for the 4S 5800mah Lipo Battery.


He replaced the old rudder with a stainless steel one because it kept on bending.


Dam thing turns on a penny and goes like a bat out of hell !!!!


It runs a 3648-1450kv with a 2 blade 40mm prop and a 120A ESC.


Harry



Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: ChrisF on November 25, 2020, 10:36:52 am

I dread to think what sort of area the prices are in.
As soon as a boat has the Fairey name to it, the price seems to double.


Absolutely gorgeous though.


Will


Yes, the original Faireys were expensive though and cost more than my parents house which was quite a big and expensive one. You can pick up a nice Huntress for around £30k. to £40k. now so cheaper than a nice car. Upkeep is expensive though.


They are doing a similar thing to those companies that build updated versions of Jaguar E-Types etc.


Pity they don't do a Huntress as I'd have one!   %)


Morning Harry, was hoping you would confirm that.


Chris
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: madwelshman on November 25, 2020, 11:49:19 am

Yes, the original Faireys were expensive though and cost more than my parents house which was quite a big and expensive one. You can pick up a nice Huntress for around £30k. to £40k. now so cheaper than a nice car. Upkeep is expensive though.


They are doing a similar thing to those companies that build updated versions of Jaguar E-Types etc.


Pity they don't do a Huntress as I'd have one!   %)


Morning Harry, was hoping you would confirm that.


Chris



There's quite a nice looking Huntress on ebay at the moment, unless it's finished. £23k I think it is/was.



Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: ChrisF on November 25, 2020, 02:17:31 pm
Nice. A few years ago I would have been interested as we had somewhere to moor it.

Chris
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: zooma on November 26, 2020, 04:27:59 pm
I have finally managed to separate the sides of the cabin from the grip of the hot melt !


Where the hot melt had been built-up in the corners the only way was to cut through it with my razor saw. As the saw started to cut through the thick layers of hot-melt it started to smell like melted hot melt, so any small doubts that I may have had about the type of adhesive used largely disappeared as soon as I smelt it.


The dried-on blobs of hot melt that had obviously been dripped at random over different parts of the assembled super-structure gave me a false sense of optimism as they did not have such a firm grip as the areas where the intended  joints had been made.


I have drawn around the two cabin sides and averaged-out the differences between them (!) and than drawn around the rear cabin of my Swordsman cabin sides in the hope that Fairey used a similar line on the rear of the Huntsman Sport - but it does not look right, so I am going to focus on getting the internal hull frames installed first so I can get a better idea of where the cab sides need to end before cutting any wood.


Sadly I have not been able to locate a plan for this 34" version of the Huntsman 31, but I am still hopeful of finding one to refer to and take some measurements from it to help locate the superstructure, rudder and prop shaft etc in the right place.


I have also found out that the building instructions that came in the glass fibre version of both sizes of the Precedent kit are the same!  This should have doubled my chances of finding a copy - so I am still hopeful of finding one to read.  I can work it out and make my own frames etc, but it would be nice to see how Precedent intended the hull to be fitted-out.
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: tonyH on November 26, 2020, 06:35:51 pm
Belated Frames
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: tonyH on November 27, 2020, 09:50:27 am
The instructions.....but ONLY the cover :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: zooma on November 27, 2020, 10:22:09 am
The instructions.....but ONLY the cover :embarrassed:


I bet there are a lot of these building instructions for the glass fibre hulled Precedent Huntsman (both sizes) that are of no use to anyone once the model has been completed,


Sadly, most will have been thrown away (possibly with the plans too!).


If anyone has one of these little building guides and/or a plan for the g/f hulled Precedent Huntsman that they would be prepared to part with, please contact me if you would like to sell them as I would find either of them very helpful - and the plans would help me to reconstruct some of the missing parts and see where the rudder and prop shaft should be positioned  - without having to go "free-style" :-))
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: canabus on November 27, 2020, 10:28:59 am
Hi Zooma


Did I not send you that info. as I have it all on PDF ????


Harry
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: zooma on November 27, 2020, 10:32:31 am
Hi Zooma


Did I not send you that info. as I have it all on PDF ????


Harry
 


Thanks Harry,


I have just received a copy of the Balsacraft building instructions from you and printed them.


These instructions cover the 34" and the 46 1/2" wood and fibre glass hull versions and I have never seen these before.


I will still try to find a printed copy of the plans (if I can) as that would still be helpful as the instructions refer to part numbers and diagrams that are drawn on the plan, but the construction sequence is good to read and is very interesting and helpful.


Thanks for sending me the info!


Bob.
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: grasshopper on November 27, 2020, 07:45:53 pm
Let me get this straight....are you looking for a full instruction pack from the precedent Huntsmankit?


I’ve got a set on PDF I did for another Mayhemmer.....happy to send if you’d like a copy.
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: zooma on November 27, 2020, 09:41:57 pm
Let me get this straight....are you looking for a full instruction pack from the precedent Huntsmankit?


I’ve got a set on PDF I did for another Mayhemmer.....happy to send if you’d like a copy.




Basically - YES - I would like to have a full instruction pack from a Precedent Huntsman kit.


Being an old fashion non-computer literate old codger I would prefer a printed paper copy - BUT - I do not have any plans for the 34" Precedent Huntsman 31 so I would be very pleased to have a PDF as it will let me see some of the details that I would find helpful.


Thank you for your offer.


Bob.



Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: grasshopper on November 27, 2020, 09:51:09 pm
Hi Bob,
Pm me an email address and I’ll send you a copy of the instruction pack from my FG hulled kit, I know the file is too large to send  via the Mayhem mail facility.

Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: zooma on November 27, 2020, 10:06:16 pm
Hi Bob,
Pm me an email address and I’ll send you a copy of the instruction pack from my FG hulled kit, I know the file is too large to send  via the Mayhem mail facility.


Have done - thanks  :-))
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: grasshopper on November 27, 2020, 10:26:37 pm
PDF sent.....let me know you've rec'd it okay.
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: zooma on November 28, 2020, 10:09:25 am
PDF sent.....let me know you've rec'd it okay.


Hi Phil,


I received the PDF and printed all 12 pages this morning - thank you very much!


These instructions are from the Anglia Models kit and show the different parts and identify them so they are really helpful and they also compliment the 3 page Balsacraft Precedent building instructions that Harry sent me very well.


I now have all the information I need to build my 34" glass fibre Huntsman without a plan.


My guess is that the Precedent instructions were intended for use with the kit plan, but the Anglia Models illustrated building instructions would allow the construction without the use of a set of plans.


As I still don't have a copy of the plans, the Anglia Models illustrations are a great help as the part numbers are included in the illustrations.


Many thanks!


Bob.
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: grasshopper on November 28, 2020, 10:50:28 am
Glad to hear you’ve rec’d them.


Be nice to see pictures of the completed model, good luck with it.


Regards.
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: zooma on November 29, 2020, 02:20:26 pm
Glad to hear you’ve rec’d them.


Be nice to see pictures of the completed model, good luck with it.


Regards.
 


Thanks Phil,


I have now seen on page 7 of the comprehensive build guidance notes that you sent to me the following statement:-




"Further note that since redesigning the Huntsman Kit, both wood and glass, a full size plan is no longer necessary and is not provided. The positioning of parts that would otherwise have needed a plan for guidance is covered by interlocking parts using slots and tabs, making assembly easier and error free"




This explains that plans were not included in these kits - at least since Anglia Models started making them - and is why the building instructions have been expanded over 12 pages as they include a lot more construction notes and several "exploded" drawings to show how the parts fit at the different stages of assembly.


I have to admit that this would work very well when you have nice new cut parts to work with and does answer most of the questions that I had regarding assembling the kit as per the manufacturers intended sequence.


Bob.
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: ChrisF on November 29, 2020, 03:26:12 pm
Hi Bob

Yours was certainly a bargain as that other one that had the prop shaft and engine mounts fitted went for £97. Anyone on here?

Chris
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: zooma on November 29, 2020, 04:03:43 pm
Hi Bob

Yours was certainly a bargain as that other one that had the prop shaft and engine months fitted went for £97. Anyone on here?

Chris


Hi Chris,


Yes I am very pleased with my purchase, but to be fair the one that has just been sold on eBay was well worth the extra £57 as the superstructure had not been assembled - although I do know that the kit did not include the windscreen or any plans (I did ask!) and there could well be some other parts missing too!


I also noticed that it has a rudder and a prop shaft that was already bonded into the hull.


My hot-melt impregnated superstructure did not come apart at all well  - and is why I am still looking for a copy of the plans so I will be able to make the new replacement parts.  The earlier plans would not show the inter-linking tabs and slots - but that would be fine as I will be cutting mine from 4mm birch plywood and I could fit them without the interlocks.


Hope your builds are coming along well - my Swordsman builds have come to a stop for the time being while I try to sort-out the information I need to complete this pre-started kit.


I did not realise that this Precedent kit had been "re-kitted" sometime between the various known manufacturers of it.


At some stage the early 3 page instructions that Harry kindly sent to me by email would have been accompanied by a full size plan and this would have given me all the information that I needed.


Fortunately Phil noticed my plight and came to the rescue with the later 12 page build guide that included the drawings to identify the parts by number and to show the interlock assemblies that allowed the modified kit to be built without a plan.


My kit is stranded between the two types as the interlocking slots and tabs on the superstructure have been lost as the parts "exploded" when I tried to get them apart. I think the heat from the hot melt and the use of liteply did not go well together.  I suspect the wood had been embrittled by the heat and when combined with its likely age it fractured even as I gently tried to cut through the blobs of hot melt with a sharp razor saw!


...........hence the reason that despite all the very helpful information that I have been given (all of which have been gratefully received) I still need to find a copy of the 34" Huntsman 31 plans to enable me to make templates for the cab sides and ends and internal bulkheads and roof spars along with the internal cockpit "capsule"parts that were also "lost".


The good news is that the plywood roof panels came off cleanly enough to make new patterns from - so it is a shame I don't need them as I will be wrapping a single piece of 1/16 ply roof panel across the front and rear cab sections instead  %)


Keep smiling!


Bob.
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: zooma on December 01, 2020, 07:13:36 pm
I have now made a stand to fit this glass fibre hull so I can return the one that I "liberated" back to my Swordsman.


The Swordsman has a fairly constant deep V hull compared to this Huntsman that has a hull form that reduces the V shape as it becomes more shallow towards the stern - and this became a lot more obvious when the Swordsman stand did not fit the rear end of the Huntsman hull anything like as well as it did the front end (which was quite passable).


Now I have a firm base to work on I can make some progress on fixing a rudder and a shaft (when they arrive from MBB!) but until then I can "glass-in" the bulkhead and hull spacers that I have temporarily held in place with a few spots of super-glue while the wobbly edges of the hull have straightened themselves out.
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: zooma on December 03, 2020, 08:00:34 pm
Taking a look at the front screen of the 34" Precedent Huntsman, I have to say that I don't think it looks quite "right" when compared with pictures of the real power boat.

The model has quite a high "dome" shape to the top of the front cabin window and this continues along the roof line.

A look at the kit's front cabin window shape looks OK along the bottom and sides, but the top line curves upwards to make a dome shape that I do not see on any full size pictures of the Huntsman 31.

The Nexus plans for the Huntsman 31 and it's shape of the front screen looks a lot better and is more realistic looking, so I can base my new 34" Huntsman front cabin screen on this......and what I can see on photo's of real Huntsman 31 power boats.

I have to make a new front window screen for my model in any case so I will change this part rather than just copy it again.

The Aerokits Swordsman front screen looks a lot more realistic and more like the real Swordsman power boat so I am not sure what went wrong with the Huntsman kit shape, but it wont be too difficult to improve it along with the cabin roof curvature.

As I plan to make the cabin tops removable,  I should be able to do this at the same time.
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: ChrisF on December 03, 2020, 10:22:48 pm
Hi Bob

Funnily enough I've been drawing up the front window and have made sure that the top of the window is low enough and of a gentler enough curve that it looks right. The dome that you mention is caused by using ply sheet that doesn't like being bent in two directions. I use strip wood to avoid that and give a nicel smooth curve. Some models don't look right because the front window hasn't been angled back enough and therefore has the top too high and sharply curved. The angle should be about 45 degrees. 

I've also been working on the cabin/cockpit sides for the Sport but am having to redraw them to lower the roof at the front  to match the Modav drawings which then has a knockon effect with the cabin side windows that have to be altered as well

Chris.
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: zooma on December 03, 2020, 10:26:30 pm
Hi Chris,

I think that will be a massive improvement to the weakest area of the 34" Precedent Huntsman 31.

Well done!

Bob.
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: zooma on December 11, 2020, 08:22:49 pm
A full size printed copy of the Modav Huntsman 31 plans arrived in the post today - thanks to a very generous Fairey Marine enthusiast.

Along with some side elevation drawings of the Huntsman Sport,  I have plenty to get stuck into the next time I take a break from building my 1/12 scale Swordsman (from a copy of the original Aerokits plan).

I might just need to buy some more wood before the Christmas holidays!

Bob.
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: ChrisF on December 13, 2020, 05:19:59 pm
Sorry if I'm hi-jacking your thread Bob but just wanted to follow up on previous posts.

Having finished drawing up the sides and the front and rear windows I've mocked up the front to make sure it looks Ok before committing to ply. I've photographed straight on to get the right perspective rather than looking down. I could reduce the height by a couple more mm but want to make sure I've got enough timber below and above the side windows so will leave it there. It will look different with the frames in as well. Now back to the Swordsman to draw up the same parts.

Chris
Title: Re: Precedent 31. 1/11 scale 34" long Fibre Glass Hull. Forty quids worth!
Post by: zooma on December 13, 2020, 05:37:47 pm
Thats more like it Chris! :-))

Your picture is very much relevant to this Huntsman 31 thread and it shows exactly what this lovey looking craft should look like.

The roof line will follow the top of the cab front and will make your model look much more like the real thing.

I will be making something very similar when I rebuild the superstructure on my 34" Precedent model.

Many thanks for sharing your picture with us (nice varnish too!)

Bob.