Model Boat Mayhem
The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Working Vessels => Topic started by: peterpan on December 29, 2020, 06:06:28 pm
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I cant preview photos I attach so want to see what size they look like in a post befor starting a thread with photos.
Happy new year all.
Peter
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Looks OK :-))
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Test 2
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Bit Large but problem solved
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:-))
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There is something very wrong with these 2. They look very "flat". Have you done something with the aspect ratio?
Photos always look better if you crop them to only show what you are illustrating.
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That is exactly what I meant about looking better cropped although the quality of the image is poor. I am guessing that you have done that deliberately.
Perhaps if you tell us why you are needing to do all these test posts we can help. You seem to have been having difficulty for several months.
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Hello tug, many thanks for response. Its a bit of a long story.
Since lockdown I have been thinking about doing a build thread on my current project. Not having posted photos for along time and not being able to get the image server to work I started a thread “Attaching photos” and with the help of Stan established procedure to resize pics in windows 10 photos and attach them to the post using Attachments and Options which is the system he uses for his many posts. This works fine except the preview in my post window does not work.
In preparation for the build thread I have taken most of the photos I intend to use and resized them all the same in a separate file ready to attach them to the posts
Because I can not preview the photos on the posts I started this thread to see the size they appeared in a post and these are the first two pics which came out fine and gave me the info I needed.
Yesterday I started the thread Building Annie in Yachts and Sail and attached the first 3 pics to the first post which was fine and then 4 pics to the second post all from my resized file all no problems. I then attached 2 pics to the third post from the same file and they came out distorted. I had not changed anything.
My first reaction was that I had some how resized them wrong in the first place so I check and resized and posted them again but nothing seemed to work. Not wanting to keep adding useless photos to the tread I came back to this thread to test pics to see if I can find a solution.
The pics I posted here yesterday are a couple quick attempts to check changes I made on pics in my resized file but it did not work.
The photos in my resized file are all the same as the ones I successfully attached to my first two posts on the build thread, (also as pick 2 above). But, it looks like the forum has now started to reverse the height and width settings of the photo when posting it.
I will continue to use this thread to test any changes but will add a note as to what I have done.
Any help would by very much appreciated but the subject seems be an ongoing issue on the forum with no definitive solution and may be an inherent deficiency in the software. I sincerely hope not.
I do agree with your comment on cropping.
Sorry its so long.
Peter
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If it helps your sanity. Last time I posted 2 pics the forum distorted the second one of its own volition. I triple checked everything and re-uploaded the originally distorted pic then came to the conclusion it was the forum software. I think the second pic was a different aspect ratio -think the forum was stretching it to the same width as the first pic. Must admit I didn't post up in the forum errors thread.
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Never had any pictures distort like that, just put 4 on with no issue and have added hundreds before with no issue so do not think there is any problem with the forum software, at least not for me. I use Pixresizer which will do 1 to Hundreds in one swoop
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Hi Peterpan hope this helps been posted many times.
Stan.
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Hello tug, many thanks for response. Its a bit of a long story.
Since lockdown I have been thinking about doing a build thread on my current project. Not having posted photos for along time and not being able to get the image server to work I started a thread “Attaching photos” and with the help of Stan established procedure to resize pics in windows 10 photos and attach them to the post using Attachments and Options which is the system he uses for his many posts. This works fine except the preview in my post window does not work...........................................
I will continue to use this thread to test any changes but will add a note as to what I have done.
Any help would by very much appreciated but the subject seems be an ongoing issue on the forum with no definitive solution and may be an inherent deficiency in the software. I sincerely hope not.
I do agree with your comment on cropping.
Sorry its so long.
Peter
Peter
Lets take this slowly & sort out your problems.
1. You do not need to worry about the size of the photo too much. A picture with more pixels will appear bigger on the thread but only until it fills the available space with ways. If it is larger the forum will make it fit and it will nor change the aspect ratio (length to width). The advantage of them being bigger is that someone who is interested can click in the link ans see it bigger on their computer. If you look a the nice Lobster Boat picture that Stan has posted above you will see that it says that it is 1260 x 840 which is bigger than the forum puts in the thread (on my computer anyway). If you want to see it full size just click where it says "Lobster Boat.jpg" in blue and it will open full size. Somewhere around 1250 x whatever is appropriate to maintain aspect ratio will be a good starting point.
2. The reason that your photos look odd appears to be that you have lost the aspect ratio. Resizing only works if you change both width and height by the same proportion. eg half original size. Most resizing software has an option of changing one and the other sets automatically. If you have it correctly set the resized photo should look exactly the same as the original with no distortion.
Is that true of all the photos that you have tried to post?
3. Changing the size should not noticeably change the quality. If it does we need to sort that out as well
4. I am not aware of anything in the image posting on the site that would distort a picture so lets sort out your answers to the above before we go there. Do the resized pictures when viewed on your computer before you post them look good?
I guess that they do as these are 2 of your distorted pictures.
I await your reply.
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Thanks RST Its good to know I am not alone %%
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Never had any pictures distort like that, just put 4 on with no issue and have added hundreds before with no issue so do not think there is any problem with the forum software, at least not for me. I use Pixresizer which will do 1 to Hundreds in one swoop
Never had a problem before either. I'm not lying. Actually thanks to Firefox, I just checked back and viewed on a separate browser window which confirms nothing wrong with the pic, or my re-sizing (it's childsplay resizing on windows). Just the pic in the thread where the software seems to sretch it out.
It is a shame the forum doesn't allow attached pics in preview (or in PM's)...
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RST
Is this the photo that you mean?
I will prepare a little tutorial although it is all very basic.
Back when I have doe it.
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OK Here goes.
Firstly know exactly where your pictures are on you computer, make sure that you know what you have called them & make sure that they are in a format that the forum will accept and sized suitably. As I said before 1500 in the longer direction seems fine to me .
All 3 photos that I reposted were .jpg and I did nothing to them. I simply save them to my computer and reposted them having cropped a couple of them a little.
This is how I post pictures and I have never had an aspect ratio problem. Try it and let us see what happens.
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Good luck.
PS if you want to save an image from the forum just right click on it a select the 4th option "Save image as...." Select where you want to save it & left click "Save"
Everything on my Windows 10 PC.
If it works please tell us what you did differently that resulted in your getting it wrong as posting picture problems come up frequently.
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Thanks Tug The two photos look good,I will go through your response and reply fully tomorrowPeter
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Great work TF! :-))
... other photo options here: https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,61103.0.html
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Hello Tug. First can say many thanks for a very in depth and helpful response.With this information I have spent some time double checking what I am doing. It has revelled a number of things outlined below but nothing at the moment that answers why it is happening here and apparently not to the majority members using the same method.
Its very useful to know I don’t have to worry about the size it appears in the post.
I always understood that picture size had to be less than 800 x 6000 to be posted on the forum and so I am resizing my pics by changing dimensions.When I resize in windows 10 I open the original photo, right click and get the widow attached. This is the window for the original Pic 9 before any changes. With the maintain aspect ratio ticked I change the width and the height is done automatically. I leave quality at its 80% default setting.
On pic 9 I resized the width to 550 and it changed height to 978 which I saved into my resized file and used to post here which came out distorted. This is also the size shown when you added it to this post undistorted but if you look at the distorted picture which I posted it has switched the width x Hight around to 978 x 550 which explains the distortion. It also appears to have done the same to pic 8aa and it is what has happened to the distorted photos posted in the Building Annie thread.
I think the above shows that I am resizing correctly and they do all look the same as the originals. All the posted photos have been resized the same way. What I have realized is that all my photos (which were not taken with a build post in mind) have been taken portrait and will definitely benefit from some cropping and also are very big files. Original pic 9 was 2988 x 5132 3.02mb.
I think this shows what happened but obviously not how and particular not why on Building Annie I posted 7 pics successfully and then it started to change the next 2 identically resized pics,
There have only been a total of 11 distorted posts of 4 photos so I think my next move ( subject to any comments) will be to select some photos from different sources, resize them with different settings and post them here and see what happens.
Cheers Peter
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Quick update.Just spoke to Stan who explaned different way to resize in windows 10 which may not have the same problems :-)) :-)) :-)) I will be testing outCheers
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Are you sure that it is a resizing issue.
Remember that I downloaded the photo, which looked awful, from here and saved it to my computer & then simply reposted it. I did not resize it at all & it went from being badly distorted to absolutely fine. To me this means that the photo is fine but there is a problem with how you posted it.
I might have misled you in that I did crop your image a bit.
Below is a test for me of a tall narrow photo (sorry about the subject but I wanted something tall & narrow)
Edit: That seems fine
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OK so now to look at Photo 9.
I am going to post it twice. The first will be saved by me to my computer and then simply reposted. The second will be downloaded as before and then resaved.
Edit - wow that is interesting. Both appear perfectly normal on my computer. The only difference is that I opened and then resaved "Pic9 resaved" which I did not do with "Pic9 Original".
Somewhere here is you problem
I will have a think
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"maintain aspect ratio ticked" :-))
.... something weird with image bellow, I saved from the page and looked at it... it is the right ratio, so no idea what going on there!
As you can see, re-posted, all OK ????
(https://i.ibb.co/Qv1Cb5R/boat1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Ld2JkGW)
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NB: What is the boat you're building? :-)
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Hi Martin see Building AnnieHi Tug just doing test pic if ok may have explination to my problemCheers
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Martin
If you take the photo that you saved & do nothing at all to it but repost it you will find that it is distorted. If you simply hit save & over write the original it then posts perfectly.
The problem must be in how the resizing software saves the file - it must surely be in a format that our computers can deal with but the forum cannot even if it is called a .jpg.
Peter
Looking good. What have you done differently?
What are you using for resizing? Windows has various options that have changed over the years. I don't think that this forum likes whatever you are using.
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Topic renamed & Merged :-)
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Hi Tug apparently it has been renamed ???????
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Hi TugHi Tug was in the middle of replying and my internet went down. Apparently its been merged witha Martin topic.I managed to find it and it has been renamed?????????? (https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/Themes/core/images/post/xx.gif) PeterPan's AnnieHi Tug and now in Vessals (https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,66121.msg708437.html#msg708437)
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Sorry about that... all here now.....
.... on with the build. :-))
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The problem with the images may be their size. Some of them are 60Kb which is very low resolution. I try to keep my images to around 500kb, that will keep almost all of the high resolution clarity.
The smaller that you resize an image the less detail it can retain. If you work on standard screen resolution being 72 pixels per inch you can quickly figure out what size you need. Print resolution needs to be 300ppi.
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Peter
You could try what I did which is simply to resave the image for a second time after you have resized and saved the resize. If that doesn't work then given what we now know I think that the problem is with the resizer having an incompatability with the forum. You need to try a different resizer
Martin lists alternative resizers in the 2nd & 3rd posts here:
https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,61103.0.html (https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,61103.0.html)
Personally I use Irfanview which I use for all my photo processing and is a very popular free tool. Like everything you learn to use it but I find it invaluable.
https://www.irfanview.com/ (https://www.irfanview.com/)
Steve makes a point about the file size. I doubt that it makes much difference to the forum software but the quality of 7b is very poor. I am not sure how you achieved that when the others are so good.
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Hello Tug. After posting Pic “Paint resized” yesterday I was in the middle of trying to send this post when internet went down.
I think I may have found an answer.
After talking with Stan I realised that his IT guy had set windows 10 up on his computer for his photos to go straight into paint when he selects them which we know is a stable platform for resizing and posting on the forum. He has never had a problem.
As far as I was concerned I have been using the same procedure but have checked and find that when I select a photo to resize it seems to take me into a resizing app in Photo.
Paint, which is an old MS app is still there but to use it I have to open it first. Then the procedure is the same as Stan’s.
So, this photo app is resizing my photos OK but could be allowing random width x height switches when posted.This could explain why when you upload the changed pic to the resized pic on your computer and then post it back it is fine. Also I wonder if other members who have the same problem are perhaps resizing with this MS app.
I am no IT expert and this is a lot of conjecture but have attached a couple more Paint resized test pics to test Cheers
PS A brief cautionary tale.
I am using a new laptop which came with window 10S which supposedly is more secure but turns out to be a bit like Apple, restricting you to Microsoft approved apps which MS say makes it more secure There was an opt out back to normal window 10, which after much agro I managed to do but it still tries to force me into the software it wants you to use.
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I cropped this pic
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Hi Martinis it possible to put this thread back into Chit Chat as Photo Test ?CheersPeter
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Testing pic cropped in paint
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Hi Martinis it possible to put this thread back into Chit Chat as Photo Test ?
Cheers, Peter
Yes, can do..... but why?
Aren't you finishing the build?
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Now photos sorted will be going back to carry it on.
Will put a note on explaining the distorted pics (dont think I can remove them) and refering anyone interested to this thread.
Just got to resize all my pics on paint first :}
Cheers
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I am glad that you worked that out. It isn't exactly an obvious answer although we had got to the right place. Like you I am an amateur & struggle my way to an answer that works.
Looking forward to the build.
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Hi Tug. Definitely would not have got there without your encouragement and input.
Many thanks.
Peter
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Test I started the hull painting in Sept 2020. I have access to a large barn with overhead infrared heaters and I decided to use Halford’s spray cans for all painting.
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Just another quick test
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Experimenting with physical size of posted pic
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