Model Boat Mayhem
The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Working Vessels => Topic started by: Stavros on October 13, 2007, 06:50:31 pm
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Tid tug build at last me got one thanks to Keith sorry I have deleted you from my in box and don't know your user name!!!!!!
Right well that's over Wit,having gone up to Oldham to collect this lovely tug was I impressed I was and still am smiling what a well built hull and part built superstructure,apparently this hull was started 10yrs ago with the intention of installing a Steam plant but it turned out to be too small!!!!so undeterred Keith built a bigger,this hull is 41ins long as it is.anyway the build starts here.Having acquired a plan from one of our members in 1:24 slight problem as the hull is in 1:20th so as you can imagine maths had to be used as I had to measure form plan multiply by 24 than divide by 20 to get the right size!!! so many an hour was spent with a calculator.Oh why cant model building be simple.
All the hatches doors water tanks etc were marked out and cut sanded etc prior to fitting out on the superstructure,carefully glued into place.Now me being a tight fisted so and so(must have yorkshire descendants)needed rivets fro the water tanks and inspection hatcheds and no way was I going to pay £7 for a pack of glue on plastic ones so a cunning plan was hatched,dressmakers pins were used cut down and the holes drilled for them,what a blooming chore but the results I think are satisfying,Thanks to Barty230 for that one.
My shopping list for the Blackpool show was growing by hate day till I remembered about some fittings I had bought off fleebay yippee one steam winch and tow hook bollards and portholes later sorted now list very small,so the traders at this show wont get a lot out of me!!!
Right piccies as follows of progress so far
1 Hull ready for work
2 Hull waterline marked
3 Superstructure
4 Rivet Detail
5 Hatches
6 Front view
7 Stbd side
8 as above
Stavros
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The hull has now been rubbed down masked up and red primer from Halfords applied to represent antifouling,superstructure has had 2 coats of sansding sealer applied and any blemishes will now be filled and more sanding sealer is going to be applied.
A Graupener steam winch was found in the spares box which lo and behold was the right scale and also form the same stable was a tow hook hitch has been built and sprayed black prior to weathering and detailing.All painting techniques are the same as in th build thread of the Billings Waverly in the paint section,any question just ask and I will try yo help
Stavros
9 Detail on water tank
10 Waterline masking
11 Rudder
12 Masked up ready to apply antifouling
13 Antifouling applied
14 as above
15 Winch built up from Graupener kit
16 Towing hook Graupener
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I like the shape of the hull Stavros O0 The superstructures coming along nicely, Good idea for the pins....does indeed look like rivets! Have you decided what colour your going to paint it yet?
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Yes it's going to be the same as Tid 164 at Chatham dock yard Black hull red deck yellowish superstructre and rust!!!!! if I get it right
Stavros
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Stav,
The Superstructure and inside of the gunwgales are Humbrol No 7, yes I know you use halfords paint, but might be worth getting some and painting a small amount for colour matching.
Bob
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Excuse my ignorance but what colour is Humbrol NO 7 is it a yellowish colour.Havnt got a colour chart for Humbrol Bob cheers
Stavros
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My chart in the Squires catalogue lists No 7 as Gloss Light Buff - brownish yellow.
Colin
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Hi Stavros,
go to www.modernmodels.com/Humcont.htm for colour chart.
Keith.
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I think the guy who owns TID 164 is developing his website, it seems to have more on it now than a few months ago. Still interesting though: http://www.tid164.co.uk/index.html
Chris
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Stavros,
I could bore you about the history of the colouring, but it is the same colour buff as the old wooden navy, ie Victory.
the old PAS, then RMAS.
I have tried the actual ships paint (as I am still with them right now) and it looks wrong, but No7 is spot on.
Bob
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Hiya,
I have started a TID tug build, TID 90 which was attached to RNAD Milford Haven, where I live.
it is the same livery as TID 164 but the funnel has red and white banding as well, Tid 164 would have had the same funnel colour when it was stationed at Rosyth.
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KEMO,
The red funnel banding was for Naval Armament Vessels, or any attached to a Naval Armament Depot.
In PAS Harbour tugs had a blue banding, and a blue banding just below the gunwhale capping outboard.
On this size of tug a 2 inch banding.
rmasmaster is a mine of information about the markings, they were a bit before my time!!
Bob
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Hiya,
yes RMASMASTER PM'd me rcently and quoted:
" During hostilities only, sea going craft were painted overall grey with no distinguishing bands etc, harbour craft which included all TID's were painted as in peace time, which was buff upperworks and funnel with black hull and gunwhales. The funnels where all about 18 inch black top with a 3 inch white band, 9 inch red band and a 3 inch white band. In peace time the sea going section red band was 18 inch's not 9 as for harbour craft. The gunwhales had a white band which was carried by harbour craft at all times but not by seagoing craft when painted grey.
Prior to the inception of the PAS, the CD tugs had azure blue bands, the victualling craft which included water boats where green bands and oilers where brown bands.
It gets a bit confusing because I believe , though not totally sure that the Dockyard ports during PAS had there own distinctive colour on the gunwhales for each port, Chatham was for sure azure blue as I joined the PAS service in 1974."
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Thanks for all the info lads Humbrol no7 is the colour I had thought of which is a Ford colour called codarba beige
Satvros
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It's Cordoba Beige. I thought it was just about the nastiest colour in the Ford range when I was ordering a new Capri 2.0S in late 1980, so I went for Venetian Red.
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Dave,
I said I wanted the TID to go to a good home and it certainly did!
The progress is impressive and leaves my 10 years in the shade. I shall follow progress closely and no doubt pinch a few ideas, may even post some pics of the 1/19 scale version.
Good luck,
Keith (mrsgoggins)
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Thanks for the compliment Keith If you are going to the Blackpool show it WILL BE THERE on the Gwynedd Model Boat Group stand hopefully resplendant in the hull colour of balck and red(well I hope it will)
Stavros
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Is the hull fibreglass Stavros? It looks like the 1/20th scale one that Kingston Mouldings used to make to me.
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Well spotted but it has been put right transom and rubbing strake have been corrected
Stavros
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Right more progress Hull tonight was masked up and before you all jump down my throat yes I did use newspaper due to me forgotten to get some proper brown masking paper from Brown Bros.Where was I yes firstly grey primer was applied to the hull and left to cook for an hour,cook I hear you ask well it was put in front of a super ser for that time!!!And before anyone asks of course I turned it off before I sprayed the black hull colour on ME not stupid,nobody answer that.Another hour in front of heater to cook.Primer was then applied to the superstructure no filler was applied to the gap,reason fro this I wanted something to highlight any gaps etc this will be applied in a couple of days allowing the primer to fully harden.
Although it has been sprayed in it's hull colours allready it will be redone when all the work has been completed,reasoning behind this simple it is bound to be scratched etc and anyhow more paint more protection
Piccies
17 Just to show you what I used,grey primer,red primer and satin Black
18 Masked hull ready for spraying
19 Hull in finished colours
20 Superstructure in primer
21 Front view
22 Hull with superstructure
23 View from Bow
24 Stern view
Stavros
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Hi Stavros
I hope you don't mind but I've pinched your pix for my 'sometime in the future' build of my own TID hull at 41ins.
I'm interested in your construction of the skeg and I wonder whether you could take a close-up of it for me please?
Your model is looking pretty good at the moment so keep taking plenty of pix for us all............. O0 ;D ;D
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Will do but I must admit I did not build it it was mr gogins from this forum,but I will take photos of it for you
Stavros
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Hi Kiteman 1
I have some pics of the skeg construction for my 1/19 Tid - sort of similar to how I made the one that Stavros has. I will try and put a PM together.
Regards,
Keith
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OOPS and there I thought it was Mr Goggins and it turned out to be mrsgogins will one day I will get it right.
Are you going to Blackpool Keith,if so see oyu there
Stavros
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Hiya Kiteman,
here's a photo of the one i've just fitted to my 1:24 Tid, hope it's of help to you.
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa172/KEMO54/SkegRudder01.jpg)
Keith.
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Many thanks, Kemo. It's much better to look at a pic sometimes to understand a method of approach clearly. That's another one for the album. Keep them coming. ;D O0 :angel:
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Sorry about my bad manners gents. Thanks also to Mrsgoggins and Stavros.......................
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No probs at all if you going to Blackpool look me out on the Gwynedd Model Boat Group stand just look out for the Welsh Flags
Stavros
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Thanks for that Stavros but I think Blackpool is out for this year. She who must be obeyed is not too well at the moment so the travel would be a bit much. I will be at Warwick, though, so if you are there I'll give you a shout. O0
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Found this old photo of a TID
Dave
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Hi, found another old photo, this time of 164 after she was sold out. I notice the arguments of the shade of Buff paint, another anomaly not always known, is that individual crews would mix extra varnish into thier paint. This was to gloss it up and make it last longer, this had the effect of darkening the buff, when I was a Chatham hand it was not an unusual thing to do, I remember the Oilpress crew overdid it and the paint dried a browny colour, so they had to repaint the vessel. Also ther Captain of the Port inspected the vessel every 12 months, then the vessel was painted up as though ex refit and all brass fixtures would be polished on deck.
Dave
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Hi Kiteman,
Sorry for the delay in replying. Pics attached showing area of interest on Stavros's 1/20 TID and how I have fabricated my latest version at 1/19.
Prop tube is a "dummy" in that the working tube assembly is removable.
Hope this is of interest
mrsgoggins
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Right me been at it again decided today to get the superstructure into paint,fitted all the bulwarks,Samson posts towing posts front and rear,chain guide for the steering was added nd started to add some detail work more tomorrow.
Stavros
25 Sprayed superstructure
26 View of full boat
27 Rudder servo installed
28 Buller motor installed
28 Front bollard
29 Rear towing bollard
30 Rear Grating and below it is the rudder access
31 Steering chain guide
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More piccies
31 Front portholes
32 Water tank vent
33 Hand rail
34 Funnel partly completed
Stavros
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Many thanks mrsgoggins................ O0
Stavros....Boat coming along nicely. Will be looking to see a pic on the water soon............. O0
8) ;D ;D
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Right went sailing this am tried it out it floats had problems with speed controller went to buy a new one ended up buying a new motor as well.Arhg found out it was not speed controller but my fault for not changing parameters on hand set.Now what Tug can I build using a Robbie 1000 motor Hmmmmmm
Right decided to cheers myself up with some detail work soon to be hand painted and rust applied with an airbrush,come on up Voyager I'll make the tea!!!!!!
Piccies
35 We are sailing well almost!!!!
36 still afloat
37 Port side detail
38 Front view showing door handle and portholed
39 Towing guides
40 Fire monitor
41 Vent engine room
42 Stbd side showing hinges and vent
Stavros
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Right not a lot done today but Painted wheelhouse and all the extra detailing.Some weathering was done using my new Badger 200 airbrush,highly reccomended
Stavros
43 Window frame painted
44 Showing some of the fine detail work that has been painted
45 Rust applied by airbrush
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That's really coming along now Stavros, I do like that superstructure colour....it sets it off well O0 Are you going to do any further weathering, or are you go to leave it at that?
I really need to make the jump and start working with wood!? I will only learn by doing!!!
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Thanks for that Wayne weathering only just started ! Lots of work left
Stavros
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A couple of photos for you, one is 164 after she was sold out. Is she an old Chatham boat as the number sounds familiar, I think it was 167 that sank in the basin after being girted by the Hebe.
Dave
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Oh Having a week off in the shed is therapeutic and it means the Tid comes along quite nicely,come on Keith get on with it so we can play!!
Right whats been done well a drain pipe and jointer was purchased from B&Q and turned into a funnel,Port and Stb'd lights fitted tank for fuel for the stove was built and fitted,Mast stayes fitted.
Oh and yes I managed to go sailing as well
Stavros
Piccies
50 Nav Light
51 """"""""""
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54 Mast with lights made from Brass
55 Mast supports yet to be painted
56 Stove Exhaust
57 Oil Tank for the stove and heating
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WE ARE SAILING must admit not impressed with the motor which is from Alistain of motors direct it is a Buller it has got to run on 24v to get some oomph in other words to get it moving !!!!!!!!!!!!
Stavros
69 Sailing today on LLanberis Lake in the company of Dave Rose and his Mountfleet Trawler
70 Sailing
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74 Note the tight turning circle just by the water movement
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Looks well Stavros. All you need now is some tea to stain the fender and it will really look the bees knees.......... O0
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that tug is looking quite tasty :) seems to sail as well as it looks as well. :)
good work stavros :)
Ghostie
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Nearly finished !!!! Right all lights finished and working detail work carried out in wheel house,deck sprayed and weathered funnel rope dyed and weathered just the odd job left to finish off.Will install a smoke generator at a later date and steam engine sound to go with it.
Stavros
75 Electric wiring for the lights
76 Yes they work
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70 Int wheelhouse
80 Captain Pugwash at the helm {-)
82 Tow hitch
83 Ready to go
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Great looking Tid, and some good detailed shots, however colours on the interior shots look a little weak compared to the other shots, if you run it through levels in photoshop, you'll get much better colouring, keep up the good work though.
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Lovely job, Stavros.
She looks capable of accounting for herself. Smashing condition. Well done.
Ken
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Pt 109 they allready have been photoshopped due to the fact that some were too dark and to be honest as it was too late to redo had no option but to lighten the photos up on Photoshop by adjusting the levels
Stavros
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A great model in the making, if you want any old photo's for info, have found a good site with a large number of photo's of virtually any vessel you can think of, including several TID's. The site is www.photoship.co.uk/old ship picture gallery, the range of vessels old and new is incredable and it is free.
Dave
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Here it is folks - Stavros' TID doing what it was intended for - towing stricken vessels O0
More specifically towing an "Odin" which had run out of power - note the "Ironsider" standing by to assist if needed !
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was that towed from the dam up the river back to the landing stage??
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Went sailing today good day out ended towing Odin back home
Stavros
84 All on my own
85 Feeling lonely
85 Odin Joined me
86 Bully boy tactics and yes we moved it
87 Salvage rights
88 Northsider in attendance
89 Trying his best to steal the tow
90 Is that a pirate flag you hoisted Welsh Druid
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Ghost he was towed from the river back to the slipway
Stavros
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that is a fair distance, and a what, 20 min walk if i remember
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Right it's update time.Have taken out the Buller motor that I had installed and replaced it with a Pitman 720 which revs to 4200rpm and only draws 3amps on full load,well what a transformation.Last week when I was towing Odin back up the lake we were hit by a gust of wind which litterally stopped me in my tracks and I could not thrust through the wind,today towing Odin straight into a stronger wind could accelerate through it with ease.If you look at some of the earlier piccies you will see me and Odin bullying the moored pleasure cruiser well the differance today was I did not need Odin help it was moved with ease,now who said you don't need a quicker motor for that tug WELL I DID !!!!!!!
Stavros