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The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Working Vessels => Topic started by: Taranis on March 18, 2021, 05:32:21 pm

Title: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on March 18, 2021, 05:32:21 pm
This is a static display model but I hope to modify it for the necessary.
I didn't realise how small this was going to be  {-)  so it shouldn't take too long.


Today I've ordered a 50mm RH 3 blade prop and a 211mm Raboesch waterproof prop shaft maintenance free.


I'm just going to start a photo gallery then I'll be back.

Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on March 18, 2021, 05:45:00 pm
This is one of very few Billing kits still in stock during COVID Current price at CMB £179.99


This is one I bought off Stan. According to the general arrangement drawing was first released in 2002 and likely one of the very first laser cut kits. I doubt anything has changed other than the box design.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-Ps59fNg/0/cedf43c2/X2/65208E2B-152A-4ECA-BA3D-D53BEFE376E2-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-mbVNZXt/0/85820adc/X2/61C77479-0607-4EF6-98FA-2B609900A57E-X2.jpg)


Today I assembled the keel frames and deck and made provision for a 6mm prop tube


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-TKP4R8L/0/b739fd9d/XL/A26A1076-30F7-4773-8700-E93F59EE4319-XL.jpg)


Many more pictures in the Gallery for those interested



https://techno.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-TKP4R8L
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: TheLongBuild on March 18, 2021, 06:02:12 pm
One of our group built one of these and put together a little write up with some pictures of the real vessel..


USS Hoga (runcornmodelboats.co.uk) (http://www.runcornmodelboats.co.uk/USS_Hoga.html)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on March 18, 2021, 06:04:51 pm
Nicely done thank you  O0


Stan too has given me some photos


My Facebook friend Marco Zee has sent me many dozens of photos today also, he did a lot of research before building his static model.


I hope you don't mind Marco
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-6smqdvb/0/c1590103/X3/90777D04-FE7B-439F-B0ED-02A77CD6A5E1-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on March 20, 2021, 11:58:13 am
The rudder bearings fitted.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-QkWJ4Wh/0/b21d4b57/XL/C2EA1AD1-2310-4195-8546-9AAAD972E105-XL.jpg)


The rudder assembly.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-vBLdpbW/0/64b1bee3/X2/80D052F6-624A-4A76-8A52-1940DCBAD92D-X2.jpg)


The frames shaped
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-nPq6Wdk/0/bf409510/X2/74BE233A-DB39-4175-A6F3-8A6B11F17F75-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-NS7ggJb/0/8d5cd2ff/X2/98DC9BD3-7739-4A55-A391-942B9278ED15-X2.jpg)


I can do several planks whilst waiting for internal parts.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-LmWbL5s/0/8d1e5b66/X2/EB9763B1-38B7-4C95-BFF0-58DF39D71F12-X2.jpg)


I use spacers and lead weights to ensure there is no twist in the deck.


The prop tube in this picture is a temporary one dry fitted.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-sQFWPQb/0/1672cbeb/X2/8E53BDE7-AA7B-4FC2-BE29-99D9BF0B08D1-X2.jpg)


Additionally important is a straight edge to keep the keel straight.




(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-bH63DxV/0/58a246c7/X2/B0B52E71-7236-4D44-8061-65E0534BEAD3-X2.jpg)


Just like with the Boulogne Etaples the shaping of the planks is not important for appearance as the hull will be dressed with glass and resin before painting.
So long as it is completely smooth and no gaps I'm satisfied.
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Martin [Admin] on March 20, 2021, 12:40:22 pm
 
Looking good!    :-))
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on March 20, 2021, 07:03:55 pm
Thanks boss.


CMB did well this week with delivery  :-))


Raboesch shaft arrived and fitted.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-kDLGf9X/0/779cdaa4/XL/C6B23096-4FB0-4B3A-BA69-AEADCD32705F-XL.jpg)


My home made long couplings ensure perfect alignment
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-9sHpHH5/0/047b0e92/XL/09A99DF0-34DE-4F99-BB2D-006D76F6B054-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-vHmZx3T/0/504d08db/XL/8C08EDAB-6B5E-466D-B595-C55D95151851-XL.jpg)


More planks fitted.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-zDQxbnH/0/02bb586b/XL/4E47392E-9EDD-4AE7-99E6-BF5B11355FDE-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-TNH3qk6/0/bb36dbf1/XL/9FB7F93B-A8B8-4CBE-8E2F-10758448F139-XL.jpg)


I'm now making the motor platform to fit the motor. I don't do wobbly drivetrains
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: TheLongBuild on March 20, 2021, 07:20:46 pm
How come you have gone for brushless ?.
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on March 20, 2021, 09:10:45 pm
More efficient. I would not use anything else these days.
Six of my last builds use brushless.
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on March 20, 2021, 10:39:31 pm
Motor is now epoxied in on 2mm paxolin, mount is drilled and tapped for easy removal. Upstand for cabin fitted and magnets to hold cabin in place.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-M2thdJH/0/8af14707/X2/889755C4-BC2B-4774-80E4-5F36C22A327C-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-nj4TZQm/0/d7f5b5a2/X2/4036BE75-C222-46DB-9A7C-F26016D49A41-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-V3h4VC9/0/7466a3eb/XL/7145C988-7F77-49AB-A3A1-748DAC333D85-XL.jpg)


Planking continues but tomorrow I need to sort the tiller.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-qwJkhvD/0/1dd62172/X2/D432CDF1-178D-4B39-80F1-E2B443653970-X2.jpg)



Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: barriew on March 21, 2021, 11:48:54 am
Those planks look better quality than the rubbish that was in my last Billings kit. Nice planking so far.


barrie
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: hama on March 21, 2021, 12:08:52 pm
Wow, off to a good start!
I'll tag along :-))
Hama
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on March 21, 2021, 08:01:12 pm
Thank you both. I think planking has always been a bit pot luck in the past. The new owners with their new factory should see some significant improvement.
Really its on the models the have exposed wood that need the very best quality. Mine so far are glass over models so nothing is seen in the end.


Lots of air added today and a route for a tiller servo rod. However I now find I don't have any rods so I expect ModelShopLeeds will delivery by Tuesday.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-nRTXQHw/0/dc6c4263/X3/9DCD29CF-54FB-4C19-9803-ABF880C38763-X3.jpg)


Continuing to fit as many planks as I can without impeding accesss yet.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-zCvXHmv/0/6b897fb3/X2/E240DD91-C0D9-4386-8906-CCF76CEE64E3-X2.jpg)


I fit my full planks first and then overlap and trim back for the next.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-fZCCVtX/0/82994cc1/X3/337DB79B-EA3B-43F6-A541-22CA72A70567-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Stan on March 21, 2021, 08:19:07 pm
I must have bought a good kit way back in early 2000 timber looks good. Brings back memories of my visit to Pearl and the Arizona museum/memorial.


Stan.
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on March 22, 2021, 07:55:11 pm
I had a hectic day so not much done.
I assembled the wheelhouse and made the roof demountable. The sun visor was a fiddle but the very thin ply bent without the need for wetting etc.
The funnel also is removable.
The inside of the hull was prepped with dilute resin.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-ZJ3Zh5N/0/62cdefd3/XL/BF409752-93ED-4BD6-B780-F2AEBF3B8560-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-CgJfv7B/0/370b654b/X2/1FF8C5BC-3E8C-4AA2-9299-1E23D793E14E-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-LHxZLCb/0/fb92e062/XL/31BBDFEB-AC6D-4E09-94C8-4916B8E9F646-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-3jF2NM5/0/b75c3dd5/XL/CD50FA24-004D-4926-A078-1FD346A70A26-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-tDBZ35x/0/6e65cc13/XL/F5B16B77-824A-4699-BAA4-80A4917AC22B-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-55bQQfz/0/f1d50743/XL/DB65743D-C8E8-4964-8255-87A9E3F6460B-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-m9dQZv8/0/4bd2f6d7/X3/DA9CDED7-6F35-4F36-9A69-47D9F7D5C603-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on March 22, 2021, 08:10:37 pm
I found a picture of Hoga being lifted onto a transporter. Apart from the thousands of barnacles I noticed what looks like a 4 blade propeller. I have 3 and 4 in stock but now I'm torn  %%


Help  {-)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on March 23, 2021, 09:35:37 pm
Model shop Leeds and Modelboatbits and SHG all delivered V fast this week. So the hull can be closed up.
https://techno.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-pGSkdcj/A

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-pGSkdcj/0/7e92632e/1920/IMG_8907-1920.mp4) (https://techno.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-pGSkdcj/A)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-xkVgdf7/0/ce3abda8/XL/DB11FC64-7D38-4071-A7FF-005997829B9D-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-KfcLrrM/0/36ca8371/XL/97016547-CCD9-41C7-B2CF-7D935D9F7426-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-hgrSsPx/0/45c3b7c3/XL/4C67D977-106B-4007-A107-ED4EB8B6B58A-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-bsxPhhS/0/f7789ab0/XL/360F677A-056B-4810-983A-8AF04065175B-XL.jpg)



Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on March 23, 2021, 09:37:33 pm
50mm 4 blade I think
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-hXKKf7t/0/444fb7ad/XL/F48881C0-BE61-4A3B-AD8C-9F416437D1CA-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on March 23, 2021, 09:42:52 pm
Some fittings prepped. I put a washer between each of the components.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-vNfHzpD/0/5956cf79/XL/7F8D49EB-D10E-4DB5-AEF6-DC7C2D166BC6-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-2BZwTMJ/0/90689581/XL/32910428-6573-486C-998A-1E687E4A615A-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-5xnsZSD/0/1440b9cc/XL/34C54AF1-9AF5-46BC-8523-80299F0F6FAC-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-DRqWZNL/0/4445c901/XL/012C511E-AC53-4B10-AD2A-131AB1BC1433-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-HD6nJc9/0/bb7e7ce3/X2/9BFD6148-25E1-4D88-BA91-78C63CAE857C-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on March 26, 2021, 10:22:51 pm
Spring has sprung creating lots of competition for ones time.


However there is progress if a little slower. I'm now approaching hull closure as planking from the deck downwards and from the keel upwards converge.
If this was a bare plank model like those sailing warships of old then what I am doing must be ignored  {-)


As this is a cover all with glass cloth and resin model then the planking pattern is of no consequence as long as the desired shape is maintained. So as my planks converge they will be overlaid and marked for cutting back previously laid planks so the new ones fit in.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-tBxXWGp/0/b19c34b9/X3/CD8852B4-DAB2-4F94-873E-DA73B644D70F-X3.jpg)


Of note*
This is identified by Billing as "advanced beginner* so how hard can it be? Just requires confidence
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on March 28, 2021, 07:17:00 pm
Hull is now closed and fully resin coated inside.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-TDwXgbj/0/c4c29272/X2/F50D5956-637B-44CF-B4F2-376A1D52198D-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-RDXhF7R/0/0a55406c/L/367C4CA1-EE87-439B-952A-56B73F5C49F9-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-bGX6k8x/0/fb0053a4/X2/AAB3C81E-D066-42D4-8C33-590E82619D00-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-nwzKmWB/0/36380e14/X2/CF7908D4-3A04-4F4B-969E-43949D5ADDA6-X2.jpg)


Now rough sanding of the outside in progress to remove all the high spots. After a full resin coat any low spots will be filled before covering in glass cloth.
Starboard done
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-VJ7hbmS/0/d902c06d/X2/57D2D4B6-47F2-48C7-A58E-4541D4337D46-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-SFj3HJz/0/5536db1e/X2/38316F54-67D4-45B6-A587-70AEA492B823-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-7zkgr8Z/0/cf4fbbe6/X2/96A0F7C4-9DE9-472A-A710-CF346B05AE78-X2.jpg)




Model Shop Leeds have click and collect so I'm calling for supplies in the morning.
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Stumps on March 29, 2021, 09:51:54 am
Morning Andy,

Another lovely build and out of curiosity, are the frames what I call traditional ply or liteply?

regards
Ant
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on March 29, 2021, 09:55:49 am
I donít know without a comparison. Itís not heavy but neither is it designed to be light as itís a static display model. Thank you Ant
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Stumps on March 29, 2021, 10:08:17 am
Thanks Andy. I thought I'd ask as I've been using Liteply to fabricate the cabin frames on my Damen build. I've never used it before in a boat build, but it is one of the materials I always go to when I build my planes. So I have shed loads of it around house :). 
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on March 29, 2021, 11:28:49 am
Port side course sanded ready for resin.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-MjDwmB2/0/c89fda91/X3/07D5AB89-CD4E-4BC1-9997-539A368AE028-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-M9LrWMf/0/addc9de2/X3/81AD3E23-F2AE-462E-9C3A-793144ACC384-X3.jpg)


ModelShopLeeds cheapest by far for this product. £17.99 12oz
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-9zcRFjr/0/203a2900/XL/09DA130A-6C71-4011-BF5A-E9775EE6568D-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on March 29, 2021, 08:40:07 pm
Port side coated this morning.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-mNNfmGd/0/812990f5/X2/FC962DB8-89A9-4778-AE1D-A723674CE4BA-X2.jpg)
I found that after sanding the resin coat I could not find sufficient excuse to break out the filler  8) 

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-MNfpLsV/0/9cee8696/X2/F34566F1-F24B-47E8-A2BB-FAABA98C021D-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-2LDBsmF/0/9f6d9d81/X3/C7E6B07C-899F-425A-A8BD-C2CFC8082908-X3.jpg)


So its now ready for glass cloth when I have time.
To finish the day I fitted the deck level rubbing strake, shaped it and resin coated it and the deck. This will fill the grain ready for sanding.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-FZsK72v/0/c5ca46b7/X3/659FC48E-C09D-4AE8-904D-E86580DF4883-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: hama on March 29, 2021, 10:15:07 pm
Lovely work!! Saved some money on the filler then, almost a shame to hide this behind paint.
Hama
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on March 31, 2021, 08:49:22 pm
Thank you Hama  :-)


Not much today.
I fitted a strip of walnut around the edge of the upper deck (not in the kit)
Also ordered 1mm brass rod by the metre as the bits in the kit are too short for continuous hand railing.
Some other fittings assembled. There are no port/starboard navigation lights in this kit either, very odd.
Maybe get some cloth on the hull tomorrow.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-CT2jFwn/0/XL/i-CT2jFwn-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-fpM9zzg/0/XL/i-fpM9zzg-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-CKNmrct/0/X2/i-CKNmrct-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-cX5QGcH/0/X2/i-cX5QGcH-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-C4B9Wf5/0/X2/i-C4B9Wf5-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Capt Podge on March 31, 2021, 10:28:48 pm
There are no port/starboard navigation lights in this kit either, very odd.


Hmm, that is odd - can't see them on the box art either, nor on the instructions manual photo  :((


Ray.
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 01, 2021, 01:27:52 pm
Port side glassed
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-SJKNwWz/0/L/i-SJKNwWz-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-gGspjZz/0/L/i-gGspjZz-L.jpg)



Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Akira on April 01, 2021, 02:31:25 pm
A very nicely done build.In regard to te forward nav lights. Navsource shows her sister Montezuma, YT-145, clearly carrying side lights, here:http://www.navsource.org/archives/14/140814503.jpg
In that they were built at the same yard, at the same time, I suspect that Hoga also carried side lights rather than the single forward nav light.
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 01, 2021, 04:51:25 pm
Yes there should be nav lights but it's not a big hurdle to overcome. Thank You  :-))


First side trimmed and sanded
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-VqjR2BH/0/X3/i-VqjR2BH-X3.jpg)


Starboard away
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-T2d8Fct/0/X3/i-T2d8Fct-X3.jpg)


Most excess resin is skimmed off with a credit card before it's too hard. Saves on finish sanding.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-TbKkKjt/0/X3/i-TbKkKjt-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Nordlys on April 01, 2021, 07:31:59 pm
Did you put resin on first then lay the cloth on top or the other way round?
Did you fit the strip around the deck after glassing?
That's a large bend on the walnut strip around the stern too, what method did you use for that.
I'm full of questions as I'm about to do similar operations on my whaleback this weekend.
Nord.
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 01, 2021, 07:45:28 pm
The hull was all resin coated and sanded some days ago.
Today glass cloth was tacked in place with ca then resin coated again.
Strip around the deck was fixed with ca to the first resin coat.
The strip around the stern is not a strip but four pieces of laser cut plywood so no bending
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Nordlys on April 01, 2021, 07:51:56 pm
Thank you. That's not what I expected! One coat followed by the cloth with a second coat.
N.
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 01, 2021, 07:52:51 pm

How I build is not the bible Nord you could just as well put the cloth on bare wood and resin it but for me the first coat does a lot of filling and levelling as well as giving a stronger job in the end.  :-))


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-tWBR5xD/0/L/i-tWBR5xD-L.jpg)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Nordlys on April 01, 2021, 08:18:06 pm
Agree. I get that. Just never thought of that sequence, with two coats.
I did buy a spray adhesive to hold the cloth in place this time.


Bending strips etc I find quite challenging even after soaking the timbers. I use a profile of nails/pins on a board.
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Mark T on April 01, 2021, 08:51:10 pm
Another lovely build there Andy it has a very nice shape to the hull.  I honestly don't know how you have so many builds on the go at once.  But not only that you do them all the justice without compromising any of them.  I wish I could multitask like that but I can't and I admire the way you can pick up and put down builds with what seems like no interruption in the proceedings.  Looking forward to the finished boat its going to be another beauty  :-))


Nordlys - I just put the cloth on with a 1" roller dipped in epoxy.  Its one of those jobs which is easier to do than explain. 
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Nordlys on April 01, 2021, 08:55:34 pm
Yes, thanks Mark. It's a messy process, sometimes it goes well though.
N.
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 02, 2021, 03:58:14 pm
Aah well I have repeatedly tried the one project at a time Mark and failed miserably  :embarrassed:
Thanks for the compliments  :-)

Being surrounded by part built models isn't so bad I just wish I had more space  {-)


Last night I began the bulwarks. The ribs may all look alike but they are quite different and must be located exactly as the instructions.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-5SZvvFq/0/L/i-5SZvvFq-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-Kbzx4Sc/0/XL/i-Kbzx4Sc-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-VkNH8d4/0/X2/i-VkNH8d4-X2.jpg)


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(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-Bq9CF9G/0/X2/i-Bq9CF9G-X2.jpg)


There's more pictures in the gallery for those interested.
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 02, 2021, 08:27:56 pm
Getting close to primer.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-KHq5HCP/0/X3/i-KHq5HCP-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Mark T on April 02, 2021, 08:35:13 pm
We really need a like button on the forum - lovely work!
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 02, 2021, 09:23:02 pm
Thank you I agree about a like tab. It works fine on Facebook and allows a show of appreciation without a need to make a post.
I donít think Martin is keen on the idea
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 03, 2021, 09:15:36 am
Strakes added.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-jCXqb8L/0/X2/i-jCXqb8L-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Martin [Admin] on April 03, 2021, 09:35:53 am
 
  :-))    ( 'Like' tab! )
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 03, 2021, 09:41:30 am
Would be a very good addition  :-))


Iíve just discovered that the cabin assembly is designed wrong by Billing
They have made the cabin roof parallel to the deck making it too high at the front.
The side elevation of the general arrangement clearly shows 5mm difference between stern and bow and that is a lot at 1:50  %%
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: kevin547n on April 03, 2021, 10:34:40 am
very nice indeed, the hull looks great
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 03, 2021, 11:19:29 am
Thank you Kevin.


This is after major surgery but it is not taking long to modify, just reassembling the under side now.
I'll post later with how to do it.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-fJwV85H/0/X3/i-fJwV85H-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708 Cabin correction
Post by: Taranis on April 03, 2021, 01:19:38 pm
This picture illustrates how the cabin should be so that all vertical lines are at 90 degrees to the water line. See I marked 40mm at the rear and 35mm at the front in pencil.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-M7zzJzk/0/XL/i-M7zzJzk-XL.jpg)


I had to think how could I mark a line for cutting? The easy solution was to pack up the rear by 5mm and then use a 5mm strip to mark a line 5mm off the deck to the front.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-d7jfSV7/0/XL/i-d7jfSV7-XL.jpg)


I wanted to preserve the parts to reuse
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-vt2Nw2M/0/X2/i-vt2Nw2M-X2.jpg)


Then a pull saw to take out the front floor.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-9x2Tg9R/0/X2/i-9x2Tg9R-X2.jpg)


Planed the sides to the new line
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-n7vRNmq/0/X2/i-n7vRNmq-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-rk8cPcG/0/X2/i-rk8cPcG-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-6BL6V8X/0/X2/i-6BL6V8X-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-HKwKPCz/0/X2/i-HKwKPCz-X2.jpg)


All done and recoated in resin.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-Cd63cJK/0/X3/i-Cd63cJK-X3.jpg)


I think its beer o'Clock
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: hama on April 03, 2021, 01:48:50 pm
It made a big difference to the appearance, well done :-))
Hama
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 03, 2021, 02:52:05 pm
Thank you Hama. I may well be the only one who has ever noticed this, the benefit of a cross hair laser.
As a static display it would likely go unnoticed but on the water it is obvious to me.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-XBjvMB3/0/X2/i-XBjvMB3-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 03, 2021, 03:57:25 pm
I must say that I was never impressed or motivated by this model. It was only that Stan was selling it at an attractive price  O0  I never really thought I would build it but now I'm into it the appeal is growing as more detail is added.
The saving has largely paid for the prop shaft, propeller, motor and ESC

If we had a like tab I would give myself one  {-)


Cheers
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-r32BjSp/0/X3/i-r32BjSp-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 03, 2021, 09:33:24 pm
There is lots of missing detail in this kit but I will fit some without becoming obsessive as there are so many points in time where things were changed.


There are numerous vents around the cabin at deck level. For these I will use 1.5mm brass rod and split pins as pipe brackets.
The cabin rear too is zero in detail but I will do a little there also.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-BK4L8Zj/0/523caea5/X2/35739DB8-DD43-4E3D-9C56-9D802AD2A93F-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: RST on April 03, 2021, 11:03:53 pm
I'm no fan of thanks buttons. I have the politeness to say well done rather than press a button! So here it is. Actually I had to remove a tenner and stuff it in my jar -I lost a personal book you'd have had the glass cloth on a couple of days before.  Nevertheless an amazing quick build again!!

I was intrigued with the conundrum of the profile of the deck house. I couldn't see much difference on pics if the USS Hoga. I note it also has nav lights in different positions in different pics -which one will you go for?  It seems another model with just a bit of small effort would bring it to life.  I'm not a fan of Americana but the ST tugs have some character.
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 04, 2021, 09:12:38 am
You can blame the good weather and two days I had to spend on garden maintenance  {-)  Also two MOT's and vehicle repairs.


Nav lights will be on the outside centre of the roof railings.


Thank you  :-))


P.S. I meant to inform that the propeller will fit without removing the rudder. Loosening the tiller grub screw allows the rudder to turn a full 90 and thus room to fit the prop.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-HSTT3Gb/0/L/i-HSTT3Gb-L.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-DtnLn3j/0/X3/i-DtnLn3j-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Mark T on April 04, 2021, 02:40:44 pm
It made a big difference to the appearance, well done :-))
Hama


I agree. - that's the little difference between a good model and a great model.  Such amazing attention to detail  :-))
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 04, 2021, 04:42:27 pm
Thanks again Mark  :-))  like tab is better aint it buddy  O0


I felt the need to tick the railings off today but I've used stainless steel instead of brass as it won't bend accidentally in use.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-kVGGKXT/0/541d2b9e/X2/95FB5C47-7FD8-4558-9CE8-81ADEDD49B1F-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-Tt44zSR/0/5bddc996/X2/DC9DCCEA-B680-4689-B421-3449EBB2C90E-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-MFb4sZn/0/d3f2c241/X2/33731284-60AF-4DCF-95A9-5D958CB16D29-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-qKpBx5F/0/1662656e/X2/9E71AAA8-D685-4D1D-BA81-7438C64D70FF-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-rqkvGTX/0/ac53f257/X2/7A663411-6DD9-4D75-BD33-6B3617CB19A0-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-PvhrqRx/0/6b5f8da4/X2/574F9AC7-FC76-492E-BB1F-B41380197079-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 05, 2021, 09:55:02 pm
Various bits n bobs
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-SXzGw5G/0/55818514/L/C8A9CBC7-126B-4FDA-86E3-0E8A0D73D802-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-M4JVfj5/0/e7759a5d/L/E1EBCF55-5C65-4FD1-9DD7-62FB23A4D4A8-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-rqjcqKP/0/8b2894de/L/7663A652-73B7-4599-BCCE-D41C2A9EDAD0-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-fkDPGrt/0/aea97cd3/L/BD15A750-F7DA-4579-B82F-01FA67EB8B7C-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-8FmSm7N/0/347a61d4/L/0F6BB1D2-C0B7-43B8-9DA3-1BFFBF91311F-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-7GBm73B/0/5bddd811/L/845E2FFC-F444-406C-A122-5591358787D0-L.jpg)


Space dearth of detail in the kit adorned with left over scrap wood.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-Z6LH3BP/0/1014241b/L/DC587E97-2E6D-4D5D-92C4-05EB56ED75C1-L.jpg)


Doors for above from scrap and hinges to all doors from styrene rod.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-cKbn86s/0/ac0fe22b/L/AA994A1E-08C0-4CB7-A6AD-60B8F87243A9-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-TBZkBr4/0/e788f775/L/06FFB980-F794-49D5-8E6D-0C39A043F4DE-L.jpg)

Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 07, 2021, 05:02:47 pm
More bits.
I had to seek advice with these and found it on billing facebook group eventually.
First I had to open out the holes to 1.5mm using smaller bits first
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-Fszr9jm/0/a1dbd28d/L/A613BFF6-B4EC-4FB5-A06D-B947CF127209-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-6MJn4tc/0/48be50f4/XL/215F1447-E115-4FF7-B674-8770ED3D2E52-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-wpHRHxP/0/d4220783/X3/D41C0415-2A33-45AC-BAB5-D4F3FA10B926-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-5NdHLZk/0/a24e1a2e/X3/DAC66D2C-8468-4D3B-A675-61298FCE610F-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-7Mjh9j4/0/7a63d41f/X3/02B587EE-9F4C-4C16-B21D-03F528496FCD-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-X8CKfw7/0/fee85638/X2/A9536D7F-985E-4594-B942-E4F83C135A53-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-HXpdTwR/0/4c1e8ae5/X2/6E66CF7E-C3C6-42F0-8D88-1D2FD97AEAE1-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-6LmXMRs/0/6903dba0/XL/66FBECFB-A876-4936-9EDD-9CC1EC303E1F-XL.jpg)


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Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 07, 2021, 10:28:13 pm
I'm no fan of thanks buttons. I have the politeness to say well done rather than press a button! So here it is. Actually I had to remove a tenner and stuff it in my jar -I lost a personal book you'd have had the glass cloth on a couple of days before.  Nevertheless an amazing quick build again!!

I was intrigued with the conundrum of the profile of the deck house. I couldn't see much difference on pics if the USS Hoga. I note it also has nav lights in different positions in different pics -which one will you go for?  It seems another model with just a bit of small effort would bring it to life.  I'm not a fan of Americana but the ST tugs have some character.

This is my solution Rich

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-3WVRM7g/0/6421facc/XL/7BC16CF3-3D78-4A57-A3A8-4E1A2B784277-XL.jpg)


and location
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-NQ3zTFw/0/ab9f3122/XL/990D0C30-3537-4525-99C9-8D0017CC56A3-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: RST on April 07, 2021, 10:50:52 pm
Ha yes that looks about right to me. I found pics probably the same as you of them on the wheelhouse, either side the deckhouse below and none at all which is what I guess Mr Billings looked at. All on Hoga, probably all different times! There's a good build of an American yard tug on rcgroups I've been watching though it's gone quiet recently. Americana is not my thing but in the tugs seems you can go as little or as much as you like and there's a pic to prove it either way.


Next conundrum which Derek Warner might pick-up on. Black back-boards or coloured? And I don't know for US tugs that era!

LED's or grain of rice bulbs -only joking. I don't do working lights either!



PS where did you get the polystyrene ladders from?  Been looking for a pack for ages but they've all been out of stock.
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 07, 2021, 10:55:03 pm
Some of the pictures of nav boards look like theyíre a lash up improv and they all seem to be grey.
The ladders are a billing fitting F307/J included in the kit.
You might find them at CMB


These measure 7.5mm x 55mm


I cannot find those on google but nearest alternative =
https://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/acatalog/Billing-boats-fittings-F483-Ladder-5x50mm-BF483.html
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: RST on April 07, 2021, 11:57:13 pm
Ah no worries , thought they were slaters ones. Forgot they might be in the kit.  I have plenty just a shortage of the polystyrene ones but no bother, they come in handy sometimes.
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: tsenecal on April 08, 2021, 12:40:59 am
classic US Navy statement:

if it doesn't move, paint it gray.  If it does move, salute it.
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 08, 2021, 06:25:47 pm
 O0  dib dib


The nav light boxes need to remain parallel to the waterline, hence why they look so crude in pictures.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-xLF62CC/0/fb73502f/X3/F4C9DC71-E7DB-49E6-A2EF-DC748D7E26ED-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-NvRmGQm/0/1fba31ce/X2/31B09BE0-8C55-4AD3-A20A-C5C3130AE3D0-X2.jpg)


A visit to MSL for these click and collect.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-zcCB4BV/0/8a5a7d60/X2/59F00CE9-4B70-4F60-8974-CE053AA12D48-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-ZC7Hwc3/0/f7e7c24a/X3/EBB685C8-3C20-4258-9468-11D939E7BDA6-X3.jpg)


Some more to the cabin rear
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-HcTXtVN/0/32ea5bf8/XL/F856B1E7-B299-405D-8268-3C194F87A225-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-SzD2VFJ/0/33d18700/X2/486C7824-8EA3-46C4-A69D-84D017FFF52B-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-9vr37gJ/0/73631fb3/X3/144F40A5-CDEB-4A13-A4F0-5D4F94403738-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Stephen 24601 on April 09, 2021, 08:49:05 am
Hi, great model, I have started the same, but after a 40 year gap in model making.  Please can you list here or send to me privately, all the additional parts you bought to make it RC.
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 09, 2021, 10:10:55 am
Try this....
https://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/cgi-bin/bb000001.pl?WD=waterproof%20raboesch&PRODUCTPAGE=Raboesch%2DWaterproof%2DPropshaft%2D211mm%2DM4%2D%2DRAB301_03%2Ehtml#SID=1163 (https://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/cgi-bin/bb000001.pl?WD=waterproof%20raboesch&PRODUCTPAGE=Raboesch%2DWaterproof%2DPropshaft%2D211mm%2DM4%2D%2DRAB301_03%2Ehtml#SID=1163)

https://www.modelshopleeds.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=24581 (https://www.modelshopleeds.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=24581)

https://www.modelshopleeds.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=49016&gclid=CjwKCAjw9r-DBhBxEiwA9qYUpUZehxnzG-q-MYeY-MG8zUqqy7BbhBNtFYWoHCeDkIqzGMOlq1nHDRoCs28QAvD_BwE (https://www.modelshopleeds.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=49016&gclid=CjwKCAjw9r-DBhBxEiwA9qYUpUZehxnzG-q-MYeY-MG8zUqqy7BbhBNtFYWoHCeDkIqzGMOlq1nHDRoCs28QAvD_BwE)

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BRASS-MODEL-BOAT-PROPELLER-50mm-4-BLADE-RIGHT-HAND-M4-CLOCKWISE-ROTATION/203294708470 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BRASS-MODEL-BOAT-PROPELLER-50mm-4-BLADE-RIGHT-HAND-M4-CLOCKWISE-ROTATION/203294708470)

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Model-Boats-Tiller-Arm-Single/162888627048?var=462071765751
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 09, 2021, 05:19:33 pm
A bit more aft detail this afternoon.
A prominent item is this ventilator.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-zcZWcWC/0/9f993e0b/XL/A63B7BFB-6C81-425E-AFDF-7E014C09575B-XL.jpg)


I kept whittling away at it until the size was more reasonable.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-mRNknbc/0/8b737654/XL/FE1C7BFA-A55E-44DA-BB3A-C99F51A401CC-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-TtrDrMk/0/56b27bd0/XL/EAED3510-FDFC-485D-BEC1-519C24C3195D-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-gPwrxfj/0/6f601f1f/XL/4C03B79F-421F-4130-8086-021E9CE33ABC-XL.jpg)


Thinking ahead I don't want to get hung up on painting so I will be going for the all grey version with black highlights.


I hope to sort the windows and frames this weekend.
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 09, 2021, 09:58:36 pm
Final push today, some snorkel vents. 1.5mm rod some plastic tube turned in a drill chuck and some split pins.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-tjRxLFJ/0/31b52114/L/F8F75E8D-9279-44D9-B021-ABD22BEC049F-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-GMvcNbd/0/a7ae5cad/X2/12BEC400-8019-48B5-BE14-AD6A506EB4D9-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-xS5Bgkg/0/086308f4/X2/2D58B361-FCEA-4E48-83C0-90E0BDA83C6D-X2.jpg)


Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Mark T on April 09, 2021, 10:00:19 pm
Beautiful work Andy - what colours are you going to paint it in?
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 09, 2021, 10:01:07 pm
GREY n BLACK  {-)


Cheers
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Mark T on April 09, 2021, 10:05:44 pm
GREY n BLACK  {-)


Cheers


With a dash of white???  {-)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 09, 2021, 10:12:07 pm
The decals are white  O0
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 10, 2021, 08:22:30 am
I have never encountered a boat that has had so many alterations modifications back and forth to fit whatever task it was given. I could spend many weeks messing with it and still never be right.
So apart from the few additions, I am doing the minimum in paint similar to how it sits in the outdoor museum today.
Otherwise it will go back on a shelf unfinished or prevent me getting on with bigger fish  O0
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 10, 2021, 09:13:53 pm
This picture was taken during builders trials in 1941. This also most accurately reflects the Billing kit, even the bollards a midships are missing that were fitted later.
https://www.navyhistory.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/YT-146_100855F-edited.jpg (https://www.navyhistory.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/YT-146_100855F-edited.jpg)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 11, 2021, 05:02:17 pm
So with internet pictures as a guide I now have snorkel vents on starboard side also.
This picture shows the bow is not ballasted and the bow is well out of the water.

(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-P5jPwzF/0/L/i-P5jPwzF-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-jqpGDqB/0/L/i-jqpGDqB-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-Pwvj5mL/0/L/i-Pwvj5mL-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-3MXSkL4/0/L/i-3MXSkL4-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-7VgfsG7/0/L/i-7VgfsG7-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-LHFC5bm/0/L/i-LHFC5bm-L.jpg)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: RST on April 11, 2021, 05:16:43 pm
For me I think this is a benefit of a prototype which changed along the way.  Nobody is going to say after it's not right.  My kind of modelling anyway!


It's also interesting to see the different layouts and fittings between different countries.


Black hull, grey tops would look good against the many all grey US military tugs but then I guess I'm a bit biased as that's how I did my Loyal Class tender.


You should send a pic or two to Billings at the end!
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 11, 2021, 05:21:04 pm
Billing see all my pictures Rich I'm a moderator on their official builders group but you dotedoo Farcebook  %% 


I'm part thinking of doing the antifoul coat and clear coating the rest.


FYI the group grows daily and is now heading towards 3 thousand members, the majority are building or want to build a billing kit.
There are always problems with interpretation of instructions and this is where builders helping builders is a big winner.
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Stephen 24601 on April 12, 2021, 09:23:24 pm
Try this....
https://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/cgi-bin/bb000001.pl?WD=waterproof%20raboesch&PRODUCTPAGE=Raboesch%2DWaterproof%2DPropshaft%2D211mm%2DM4%2D%2DRAB301_03%2Ehtml#SID=1163 (https://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/cgi-bin/bb000001.pl?WD=waterproof%20raboesch&PRODUCTPAGE=Raboesch%2DWaterproof%2DPropshaft%2D211mm%2DM4%2D%2DRAB301_03%2Ehtml#SID=1163)

https://www.modelshopleeds.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=24581 (https://www.modelshopleeds.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=24581)

https://www.modelshopleeds.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=49016&gclid=CjwKCAjw9r-DBhBxEiwA9qYUpUZehxnzG-q-MYeY-MG8zUqqy7BbhBNtFYWoHCeDkIqzGMOlq1nHDRoCs28QAvD_BwE (https://www.modelshopleeds.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=49016&gclid=CjwKCAjw9r-DBhBxEiwA9qYUpUZehxnzG-q-MYeY-MG8zUqqy7BbhBNtFYWoHCeDkIqzGMOlq1nHDRoCs28QAvD_BwE)

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BRASS-MODEL-BOAT-PROPELLER-50mm-4-BLADE-RIGHT-HAND-M4-CLOCKWISE-ROTATION/203294708470 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BRASS-MODEL-BOAT-PROPELLER-50mm-4-BLADE-RIGHT-HAND-M4-CLOCKWISE-ROTATION/203294708470)

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Model-Boats-Tiller-Arm-Single/162888627048?var=462071765751 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Model-Boats-Tiller-Arm-Single/162888627048?var=462071765751)


Thanks for this, Iíll get ordering stuff.  :-))

[size=78%] Can I ask about servos and also about rudder and bearings? [/size]
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 12, 2021, 09:40:33 pm
Bearings was probably a poor choice of word in hindsight. They are simply brass tube to fit whatever brass rod you use for your rudder. My servo is what I had in stock, a mid sized Corona DS-339MG that you can find at hobbyking or anything similar.


Beware, my neighbour asked how many rolls of wallpaper I bought for the living room. I told him 15. A week later he said he had 3 rolls left over, I said so did I  {-)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Stephen 24601 on April 12, 2021, 11:13:12 pm
Bearings was probably a poor choice of word in hindsight. They are simply brass tube to fit whatever brass rod you use for your rudder. My servo is what I had in stock, a mid sized Corona DS-339MG that you can find at hobbyking or anything similar.


Beware, my neighbour asked how many rolls of wallpaper I bought for the living room. I told him 15. A week later he said he had 3 rolls left over, I said so did I  {-)


Ha ha thanks again for your quick response.  :-)


Unlike you, I donít carry any ďstockĒ,  so all purchases are carefully made. 


Need to also buy an RC controller and possibly twin batteries for either side of hull?
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 13, 2021, 11:32:02 am
For all the rudder parts I just used what I had to hand. The rudder shaft here is actually a brass tube with a brass rod inside. This is why the bottom end is stepped and uses a piece of the same tube as a bush in the keel. The other bush is larger to fit the tube of the rudder.
The grub screw in the tiller arm secures the tube to the rod.

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-vBLdpbW/0/64b1bee3/X2/80D052F6-624A-4A76-8A52-1940DCBAD92D-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 13, 2021, 02:47:27 pm
I haven't got to the ballasting stage yet but I am considering this or similar in front of the motor. Only 1" high and could use the alternative twin pack that have 6000mah.
I will be using lead shot along the keel as required.

https://hobbyking.com/en_us/turnigy-nano-tech-shorty-4200mah-2s2p-65-130c-hardcase-lipo-pack-roar-approved.html?queryID=564e5fc12461eab5b2a35cd0f1dfb02d&objectID=30789&indexName=hbk_live_magento_en_us_products (https://hobbyking.com/en_us/turnigy-nano-tech-shorty-4200mah-2s2p-65-130c-hardcase-lipo-pack-roar-approved.html?queryID=564e5fc12461eab5b2a35cd0f1dfb02d&objectID=30789&indexName=hbk_live_magento_en_us_products)


or https://hobbyking.com/en_us/turnigy-nano-tech-ultimate-4600mah-2s2p-90c-hardcase-lipo-short-pack-roar-brca-approved.html?queryID=961a49390fbf41647ede39f49f40e2ad&objectID=30790&indexName=hbk_live_magento_en_us_products (https://hobbyking.com/en_us/turnigy-nano-tech-ultimate-4600mah-2s2p-90c-hardcase-lipo-short-pack-roar-brca-approved.html?queryID=961a49390fbf41647ede39f49f40e2ad&objectID=30790&indexName=hbk_live_magento_en_us_products)

or https://hobbyking.com/en_us/turnigy-nano-tech-ultimate-6000mah-2s3p-90c-hardcase-lipo-saddle-pack-roar-brca-approved.html?queryID=7f2cbee4abfe35f906a4d7b271861672&objectID=30802&indexName=hbk_live_magento_en_us_products
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 13, 2021, 04:17:41 pm

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-MsR3gFV/0/1920/i-MsR3gFV-1920.mp4

(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-MsR3gFV/0/1920/i-MsR3gFV-1920.mp4) (https://techno.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-MsR3gFV/A)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-X5wRm5p/0/X3/i-X5wRm5p-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 13, 2021, 05:33:40 pm
Worth a punt at £22 delivered
https://www.amazon.co.uk/VORJAY-5000mAh-Battery-Connector-Truggy/dp/B08DY45PC6/ref=pd_lpo_21_img_0/262-0067409-7003256?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B08DY45PC6&pd_rd_r=2db3e180-0a53-4f72-9ac3-5dd235d9efad&pd_rd_w=P062P&pd_rd_wg=sO897&pf_rd_p=d8b3a5b8-7766-4dff-b57a-24ee5d46250d&pf_rd_r=BHVBGMAKNFDSJGSXB3E9&psc=1&refRID=BHVBGMAKNFDSJGSXB3E9 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/VORJAY-5000mAh-Battery-Connector-Truggy/dp/B08DY45PC6/ref=pd_lpo_21_img_0/262-0067409-7003256?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B08DY45PC6&pd_rd_r=2db3e180-0a53-4f72-9ac3-5dd235d9efad&pd_rd_w=P062P&pd_rd_wg=sO897&pf_rd_p=d8b3a5b8-7766-4dff-b57a-24ee5d46250d&pf_rd_r=BHVBGMAKNFDSJGSXB3E9&psc=1&refRID=BHVBGMAKNFDSJGSXB3E9)


OOPS noticed last one so I bought it  {-)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: tsenecal on April 13, 2021, 11:52:59 pm
so, that battery claims to have a 100c discharge rating, and a 5ah (5000mah) capacity...  which means - hypothetically - it should be able to discharge at a rate of 500 AMPs...   all that through 12ag wire, and a deans connector?
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 14, 2021, 07:17:57 am
In the unlikely event that anyone would require to take advantage of that I think you would need to replace the leads  {-)
As itís designed for use in RC cars the leads are supplied appropriate to that.


However I don't want to get into a discussion about Lithium batteries and how manufacturers rate their comparisons.
This will not be required to delivery more than 5 amps mostly.


Battery tray made to size
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-NNH3xLk/0/X3/i-NNH3xLk-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-frHxq24/0/XL/i-frHxq24-XL.jpg)


Bracket and velcro for RX
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-CvLdsZx/0/X2/i-CvLdsZx-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-dVPdmpd/0/XL/i-dVPdmpd-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 14, 2021, 10:59:01 am
I've been getting the feeling that most folk who might have been modelling for many years and use brushed motors only seem to think that brushless just means fast and not controllable. Videos here with no load and with load it is even better.
Hobbywing waterproof ESC average £24 motor £17.99
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-bgBCs8W/0/1920/i-bgBCs8W-1920.mp4 (https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-bgBCs8W/0/1920/i-bgBCs8W-1920.mp4)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-bgBCs8W/0/1920/i-bgBCs8W-1920.mp4) (https://techno.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-bgBCs8W/A)

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-9mr74kP/0/1920/i-9mr74kP-1920.mp4 (https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-9mr74kP/0/1920/i-9mr74kP-1920.mp4)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-9mr74kP/0/1920/i-9mr74kP-1920.mp4) (https://techno.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-9mr74kP/A)

For Stephen
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-VRw6rmp/0/1920/i-VRw6rmp-1920.mp4

(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-VRw6rmp/0/1920/i-VRw6rmp-1920.mp4) (https://techno.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-VRw6rmp/A)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Stephen 24601 on April 14, 2021, 06:02:42 pm
Thank you
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: RST on April 14, 2021, 08:25:08 pm
Stephen I don't think there's any rule either way when it comes to brushed or brushless, well not for lower powered stuff anyway.  If you're buying from scratch there's no real reason I suppose not to go brushless from the start.  It's horses for courses.  Ni-mh or Li-po I suppose also if you can handle either.  You just need to research the specs either way and make your choice.  There never seems a 100% difinitive thing either way unless your making something like an airfix or Lego kit.  Heed the advice posted in the wonderful modelboats website and magazine for some really good and fundamental beginners guides.
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 14, 2021, 10:31:17 pm
Stephen had a gap of 40 yrs from modelling just a little less than myself  :-))


Today I clear lacquered the hull before starting the waterline in indelible pen. Any errors are easily wiped off with isopropanol. This is quite time consuming to get right. I will now lacquer the hull again to protect the line and whether I paint it or leave it clear the line will be there to mask up.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-PV5fLNB/0/843470cf/XL/F8AA8165-6682-4E5A-9002-F848BB967EE8-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-xN3ZsXK/0/ddce9be3/XL/DE760ACB-70D7-4EA8-8670-8D6F9B41D731-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-DtWG6JN/0/bd3df83c/XL/4FFBBD7F-FC16-4238-B7C9-763DD4C12CB6-XL.jpg)


I might partially ballast this tomorrow.
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 15, 2021, 03:42:21 pm
I was dreading carving out these bow fairleads but it had too be done and I'm relieved that it has gone ok.
I then resin coated the bare wood.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-fCJHGGK/0/XL/i-fCJHGGK-XL.jpg)


After a rub down and a re lacquer to preserve the waterline
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-QCcgb69/0/XL/i-QCcgb69-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-swCVhxw/0/XL/i-swCVhxw-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-Lk5mTMT/0/L/i-Lk5mTMT-L.jpg)


For placing the waterline I used all weapons necessary
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-KxJhB5X/0/X2/i-KxJhB5X-X2.jpg)
 
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-jr2mH99/0/XL/i-jr2mH99-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-PDHQRqF/0/XL/i-PDHQRqF-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-9mCj8HH/0/XL/i-9mCj8HH-XL.jpg)


Anywhere that the line went adrift I just wiped it off with isopropanol and used Tamiya masking tape to replace the line.


Double check
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-bSf4nJv/0/XL/i-bSf4nJv-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Mark T on April 15, 2021, 07:29:28 pm
Next time I need to do a waterline I think I'll pop around to yours and borrow that lazer.  Nice work especially on that carving - very nice and square and that's hard to do  O0
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 15, 2021, 08:18:23 pm
I donít believe you havenít got some super duper levelling kit from USA  :kiss:
You are most welcome to use mine  O0


Just bring a malt with you  :}

Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 15, 2021, 08:29:16 pm
Ready to start ballasting
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-GVFh2Hd/0/f9fb430d/X2/74946DB2-5593-4B92-9BEA-6485BF18F406-X2.jpg)


For a small hull I'm surprised at how much lead she'll need
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-JtKHXxD/0/6c5420ba/L/6A4ABB7B-523D-424E-A027-06DC2BD18096-L.jpg)


Some shot set in resin for a start but much more needed.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-pWmcFbQ/0/f6e344b4/X3/0686B716-4C81-463E-B33D-D749EDC8D39B-X3.jpg)


A visit to local gun shop tomorrow for more shot.
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 16, 2021, 03:53:19 pm
Continued
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-LhXJcQV/0/ebe79ab2/XL/B03D1F2C-8350-4573-9C44-49F60E309B46-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-msXdN6M/0/71b752bd/X2/1DF8E9CE-1C00-426F-931D-924CB7413185-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-S5PKd2P/0/d7cb6581/XL/9D2F06B9-62E0-4FA4-B0B1-689AB2B51C68-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-q7tJpWB/0/613942e8/X3/56601DC1-0940-47D5-A37A-8B04853125E8-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-DGj9vzw/0/35acf7fc/XL/B44DBEF4-5381-448E-96F0-87059AAAB81F-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-jr6xgxT/0/1fec68c4/X2/C7B060D9-BCB1-47F8-93B5-4D90C6950FB6-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-f7wXZrG/0/357826c4/XL/FBCABBF7-239B-4E2E-A2A3-74D1F9E602E8-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 16, 2021, 05:22:44 pm
Ballast completed with a little spare
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-D5kZ4nJ/1/5801a846/XL/2BD14E32-C460-4671-8327-34AFC720B619-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-nv2n2sS/1/8fa59cfd/XL/793AF4A5-AF90-420F-AA40-609C9056B8E1-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-FPp5vk9/0/247099c4/X3/2C0BC7AA-0FBA-45E1-AF24-01FEE08E5481-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-JGJqGr6/1/6a02a463/X2/007793A6-F86E-4726-9915-FE6DE67EC231-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-6pnsMdZ/0/5a901ac5/X2/D0266DF4-E6C7-493C-83D7-78DDB3F7B120-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Mark T on April 16, 2021, 05:35:40 pm
What's the total weight Andy?  I'm yet to build a boat thats not less than 9KG all in.  Looks nice in the bath and I can see that you nicked my waterline/levelling/superduper spirit level  {-)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 16, 2021, 05:45:03 pm

I left a little headroom incase I paint but she can go to 2.6 easily

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-xxtcL39/0/0f327c0f/X2/25766035-441E-4D61-B52D-2C6EF0046A7C-X2.jpg)




Boulogne Etaples
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boulogne-Etaples/i-shWsRXZ/0/5e0aece0/XL/78823F70-2D24-4B7F-9D76-DA4A45A9C7D7-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Mark T on April 16, 2021, 05:46:46 pm
Thats a nice weigh to lift in and out of the water - nice one  :-))
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 16, 2021, 05:50:28 pm
Should tow ok too with a 50mm prop  O0
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 16, 2021, 05:56:50 pm
Thats a nice weigh to lift in and out of the water - nice one  :-))
A bit of relief from my 34kg tug  %%
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Mark T on April 16, 2021, 05:59:54 pm
A bit of relief from my 34kg tug  %%


Thats what I mean Andy - Its nice having big boats but boy are they heavy.  I really like the smaller boats and your right - A 50mm prop thats going to have some pulling power  :-))
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 16, 2021, 06:04:35 pm

What's the slow speed control like with this ESC?


It's for an RC car so excellent.  :-))

See https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,66489.msg716944.html#msg716944 (https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,66489.msg716944.html#msg716944)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Stephen 24601 on April 16, 2021, 08:35:08 pm
Looks really good, hope mine turns out half as good as that. :-))
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 17, 2021, 08:33:24 pm
Thank you Stephen  :-)


My delivery arrived from eBay Spain
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-thfcCXt/0/f886b31a/X2/69D00EBB-8AD7-4EA4-BA5D-3D95A82A5009-X2.jpg)


The ladders in the kit are definitely too small
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-CXdG927/0/dcb2ef50/XL/FD328A1C-0561-439D-8B4A-5EE9C52A329D-XL.jpg)


So I have used 1:48 scale Plastruct ladders and mounted them with 0.8mm piano wire.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-pJ97hh3/0/b52ac023/XL/FC1AF6B4-9BA4-461C-B4B3-667624DA6C03-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-wCvCrVZ/0/1e8e40fd/XL/E8713CC1-D328-45CA-BBCE-BEA98548F118-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-JDJNrsq/0/1cd6cf38/XL/1C44E2C2-AEDA-4134-8659-242AE3CB4763-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-QVHXfck/0/32e45009/XL/98736C5E-C558-41D8-937E-908514BB4CF3-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-f9NHH2r/0/df2a6034/X3/BB69BD49-0804-44BF-A289-F27B1CF04EF9-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 18, 2021, 02:31:25 pm
Mostly there now. Many more pictures in the gallery


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-vPFDLkh/0/0533a9d1/X4/01CC900F-4E59-419F-B6E2-B60B5A585C1D-X4.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-bnBNc6W/0/c7f49f53/X4/11FC4259-DD97-46FA-80F3-77B9CCB500C7-X4.jpg)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 18, 2021, 04:32:52 pm
I'm happy with the battery  :-))
I'm not experienced with Deans connectors but so far my findings are CRAP! push them fully together and they lose contact.
Next job is to cut that off.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-nZvSW58/0/eccdda88/X2/EC8793DB-D046-408A-BBED-59EEB8FA8AB1-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-mDNC5C2/0/5340c01a/X3/00988102-B103-4A35-887B-75DA2DE57185-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: SailorGreg on April 18, 2021, 07:42:07 pm

I'm not experienced with Deans connectors but so far my findings are CRAP! push them fully together and they lose contact.
Next job is to cut that off.


Hmmm...   That's odd.  I use nothing but Deans and have never had that problem.  Quite stiff to pull apart, but that's a different issue, and a function of the normally excellent electrical contact.  Difficult to tell exactly from the photo but yours appears to be slightly smaller than a normal Deans fitting - perhaps the plastic isn't rigid enough to maintain good pressure against the springs in the contacts.  But I guess you don't need the hassle of a long-winded experiment to find the best Deans connectors if you already are happy with - what do you use? XT60?
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: RST on April 18, 2021, 07:57:32 pm
All my deans connectors are overly tight, usually enough to be a bit of a pain in the ass to get them together they're so tight. All mine are a very dark red / burgundy though -yours look much "redder" in the pic and it looks like it has dimples from the moulds that I've not got? Chinese copy perhaps?
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on April 19, 2021, 11:24:44 am
A google search identified issue between deans connectors of different manufacture.
XT60 are made by numerous sources also but I've not encountered a loss of continuity between any of this type. 12 awg is at the limit of what is doable on an XT60 so I changed it.
If a connector is very tight I use an extension cable on the ESC that allows disconnection clear of the model so not to inadvertently cause damage.


Having looked for another battery I have concluded that this was a give away price, sad it was the last one. Anything similar is considerably more expensive and most are lower capacity for around £35 upwards.


EDIT
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-kp2kNZt/0/X2/i-kp2kNZt-X2.jpg)


The car speed controllers have a very short cable as standard so it's a no brainer to put an extension on it.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-KdnMpg3/0/X3/i-KdnMpg3-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on May 02, 2021, 11:21:40 am
All went well  :-)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-Dk9cvRm/0/L/i-Dk9cvRm-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-WcMFqxK/0/L/i-WcMFqxK-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-5KxLdSC/0/XL/i-5KxLdSC-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-fqW77Rc/0/1920/i-fqW77Rc-1920.mp4) (https://techno.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-fqW77Rc/A)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Martin [Admin] on May 02, 2021, 02:57:25 pm
 
Hi Andy!
Look great on the water.....

1. Motor & ESC combination?

2. Slow speed control?

3. How noisy?

4. What did you have for breakfast?   %)
 
 
 
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on May 02, 2021, 03:06:09 pm
Itís all in the blog Martin.
Breakfast was a bacon sarnie  :-))

Thank you

Try this....
https://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/cgi-bin/bb000001.pl?WD=waterproof%20raboesch&PRODUCTPAGE=Raboesch%2DWaterproof%2DPropshaft%2D211mm%2DM4%2D%2DRAB301_03%2Ehtml#SID=1163 (https://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/cgi-bin/bb000001.pl?WD=waterproof%20raboesch&PRODUCTPAGE=Raboesch%2DWaterproof%2DPropshaft%2D211mm%2DM4%2D%2DRAB301_03%2Ehtml#SID=1163)

https://www.modelshopleeds.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=24581 (https://www.modelshopleeds.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=24581)

https://www.modelshopleeds.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=49016&gclid=CjwKCAjw9r-DBhBxEiwA9qYUpUZehxnzG-q-MYeY-MG8zUqqy7BbhBNtFYWoHCeDkIqzGMOlq1nHDRoCs28QAvD_BwE (https://www.modelshopleeds.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=49016&gclid=CjwKCAjw9r-DBhBxEiwA9qYUpUZehxnzG-q-MYeY-MG8zUqqy7BbhBNtFYWoHCeDkIqzGMOlq1nHDRoCs28QAvD_BwE)

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BRASS-MODEL-BOAT-PROPELLER-50mm-4-BLADE-RIGHT-HAND-M4-CLOCKWISE-ROTATION/203294708470 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BRASS-MODEL-BOAT-PROPELLER-50mm-4-BLADE-RIGHT-HAND-M4-CLOCKWISE-ROTATION/203294708470)

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Model-Boats-Tiller-Arm-Single/162888627048?var=462071765751
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Mark T on May 02, 2021, 03:32:08 pm
Two maiden voyages in one day - I'm so jealous  {-)   The little one looks great mate  :-))
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on May 02, 2021, 03:36:50 pm
Sheís a sweetie and Iím calling her the Stan tug  {-)


Iíve just fixed the ballast inside the rudder compartment instead of the bag of lead shot on the deck  :-)) Iím
pretty sure sheís good for a couple of hours on that battery  O0 
As with the Riva Iíve limited throttle output on the transmitter but still at full speed she has clout


The new kit today has been reduced in price at CMB £155 delivered is a bargain


Not as good as £80 delivered by Stan  :}


Notably Riva and Stan use the same brushless motors which demonstrates how flexible they are for different jobs
Same ESC too
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Martin [Admin] on May 02, 2021, 03:52:47 pm
Itís all in the blog Martin.
Breakfast was a bacon sarnie  :-))

Thank you

Usual brushless 'while' on dry land, how about on water?
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-9mr74kP/0/1920/i-9mr74kP-1920.mp4
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on May 02, 2021, 03:54:24 pm
Good point Martin.
Better in the water with resistance  :-)  10/10


Brushless ESC responds to feedback which is far better when load is applied
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on May 02, 2021, 04:00:46 pm
Lobster boat
Boulogne etaples
Riva Aquarama
Hoga


All use similar motors and same esc
The differences are propeller sizes and battery voltages


28/30 28/36 brushless are more than adequate for a vast range of small to medium vessels whether fast or slow
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: hama on May 02, 2021, 05:05:16 pm
She looks amazing on the water and she's a real masterpiece! Your builds are a joy to follow, you are extremely talented.
Hama
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on May 02, 2021, 05:53:08 pm
Thank you Hama. Someone hopefully a long long time from now will find it in a junk shop take it home and paint it  {-)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Stan on May 02, 2021, 05:59:23 pm
Paint the Stan tug I think not.


Stan. :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on May 02, 2021, 06:01:23 pm
Brushless motors will be old technology by then  {-)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on May 02, 2021, 06:23:46 pm
So in the following years there may be other small details added but unlikely.
To finish off, the bag of lead shot on the stern in the pictures is now integrated into the fabric of the model.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-DwDBRFV/0/XL/i-DwDBRFV-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-JLmRHBZ/0/XL/i-JLmRHBZ-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on June 27, 2021, 07:00:12 pm
At Balne Moor today
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-HBQ6Wk2/0/a8fa99c5/X2/EA1466F3-874B-4333-992D-B20F25BE4E4E-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-cpJwdvf/0/aa79be5f/X2/0FDB031B-A85F-4E63-9629-491ADC7358CF-X2.jpg)


Sorry but video previews have been disabled
https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-wkGDHN4/0/89037f13/1920/IMG_0704-1920.mp4
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Stan on June 27, 2021, 07:11:08 pm
Nice to see Stan's tug on the water. Hopefully at K M B C in the future


Stan.
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Phil22 on November 22, 2021, 04:19:47 am
Hi Andy,

We thoroughly enjoyed reading through the build log and picked up some useful tips on the way.

She looks terrific on the water! Superb work!
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on November 22, 2021, 08:28:00 am
Thank you both  :-)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Hande on December 18, 2021, 09:49:38 am
Thank you, Andy, for the encouragement (it IS possible) and the many things that I have learned from your build blogs. I admire how you do what you want - combined with the skills to do it very well!
"Stan tug" is so beautiful it takes my breath away. And it's "only" a Billings kit. I can see that you like to work on wood. Although, just thinking about "Stevns Arctic" makes me gasp.
A fan, Hande
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: awvs on December 19, 2021, 03:51:50 am
Hi Andy,
congratulations, she looks great on the water.


Best
Wilhelm
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Taranis on December 19, 2021, 09:34:26 am
Thank you both, it seems so long ago now already.
IMG_0704-1920.mp4 (https://photos.smugmug.com/Billing-Boats-Hoga-tug-708/i-wkGDHN4/0/89037f13/1920/IMG_0704-1920.mp4)
Title: Re: Billing Boats Hoga no. 708
Post by: Dave_S. on December 24, 2021, 11:53:27 am
Just bought a shiny new Hoga kit, so will spend some time reading through this thread in anticipation of the kit arriving and my workbench being finally reinstalled.