Model Boat Mayhem
The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Navy - Military - Battleships: => Topic started by: Backerther on October 24, 2021, 11:09:21 am
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Hi all;
I have restarted to build this corvette for the first time in 15 years which I had suspended due to starting newly arrived HMS Fencer 1/96 in those days. %)
This plastic model ship is generally popular with model ship fans and many fans seem to have converted to RC models already at the same time have been enjoying the sailings.
I will also want to be one of those fans and this model ship will be my winter project to be possibly finished in next spring or summer..?? O0 %%
I checked the kit contents briefly.
1;I opened the box to see how the contents were maintained for 15 years....
2;Some grease came out of the stern tube and congealed to be so sticky with some rust.
3;some nipples were also rusted heavily.
4;Rudder tube is OK.
5;Bottom of hull is also OK.
6;A micro-pump is well maintained with no defects.
7;Underside of the rear deck is good as well.
8;A rough work schedule is also found as a master plan. {-) O0 ;D
I am going to enjoy assembling this fantastic model kit as far as next summer as well as to enjoy model ship boating on the water even in the winter...?? O0 {-) %)
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HI There i like these flower class covetes an they make a nice model to sail but look a bit small on the water but after 15 yrs well better late than never lol
an good luck with your build i will be following your build an sailing
Chris :-))
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Hi frogman3;
Thanks a lot for your kind comment.! %%
This corvette 1/72 may look small on the water,but actual length is 87 cm(34.3 inches) and a rather large plastic model ship for a corvette for me...?? ok2
Pics for today on this corvette 1/72 are as follows;
I checked and cleaned the hull up in order to get her as was 15 years before.This is my first work to restart in 15 years.
1; I removed toooo old sticky grease from the stern tube.
2;Also removed the rust inside the nipples.
3;I prepared for the tests of a micro pump and homemade water jacket to see if the water should be sucked and drained through the tube.
4;I tested with 4.5 V.
5;And the result...well drained as shown..I thought 1.5V might be suitable for this kind of slow-moving ship.
This is not a fast boat.!
6;Test of smoke generator.. fundamentally OK,but could be much better with a bit more oil.This could be later adjusted.
7;Overall layout
8;The smoke generator is to be on the metal plate.
I don't think it necessary necessarily to set a water cooling for this slow ship,but in a sense I want to do it to add a scale realism by draining the water from the hull side near the waterline as often seen in a ship at anchor. {-) ;) %)
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HI Backearther love your build an your home made water cooler very well made that an your smoke unit looks good an is it an oil in it to make the smoke ? as im building boatmans HMS TIGER IN 1/72 SCALE so our ship are in the same scale so we have something in common an my build is on here but im called on here frogman 3 an i have also fitted in a water steam unit which is fairly big an uses normal tap water but i will be following your build when you post as im a regular poster on here
ALL THE BEST to you Sir
chris :-))
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Hi frogman3 and plastic RC model ship fans;
My smoke generator uses smelly oil,but this ship is intended to go lake going corvette which will normally sail about 20 or 30m away from the shore on the week days with actually no people around me so that I don't care for that so much. O0 {-)
1/2;I intend to smoke nearly this level,if possible.The pic shows the smoking test of large size unit used in my HMS Fencer 1/96(63.8in long).
3/4/5;Even if smoking volume is judged OK on the bench test,actual view of the smoking on the water/lake is like this level.. because of ship speed,wind and the distance from the shore.!!The pic shows the test run at a launching day.
6;Smoking test has not yet been confirmed after fully completed so far,because I spent much time to find the best balance conditions as an aircraft carrier is,as you may know, generally top heavy.!! {:-{ :(( <:(
But I got a best balancing method to go even on the lake with 10kg low flat lead ingots for ballast at last. {-) %% %)
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HI Backearther well it looks like youve got everthing covered an some nice pics of your carrier as i built a USS NIMITZ in 1/144 at nr 9 ft long an yes you are right to say the carriers are quite top heavy here is a link pic of my NIMITZ sailing but i did not use metal wheights but i used batteyierys as my counterbalance wheight as if you got to have weight in the ship it may as well be a power point in my veiw anyway an here in the link is my NIMITZ sailing an it did quite well even in high winds
chris ps looking forward to more of your build
https://ibb.co/Bc7xWPn :-))
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Hi frogman3;
Again,I am so much surprised to see your super carrier USS Nimitz 1/144!!!! :-)) :-)) :-))
I guess you might have been annoyed to get a good balance,since the USS Nimitz looks to much top heavier than HMS Fencer
due to an angled deck peculiar to modern USS carriers.!!!
I wonder where you built such a super carrier and how you transported her to the lake...??
Before I decided to build my HMS Fencer,I once had thought to challenge a 1/96 USS Essex in vain, as there was no space to build nor a car to transport to the lakeside ,nor to get her to the water, nor to store her...!!! O0 {-) %%
HMS Fencer 1/96 is possibly the largest to build in my work shop.
My work shop is toooo small.!!! <:( <:( <:( {:-{ {:-{ {:-{
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Hi frogman3;
Again,I am so much surprised to see your super carrier USS Nimitz 1/144!!!! :-)) :-)) :-))
I guess you might have been annoyed to get a good balance,since the USS Nimitz looks to much top heavier than HMS Fencer
due to an angled deck peculiar to modern USS carriers.!!!
I wonder where you built such a super carrier and how you transported her to the lake...??
Before I decided to build my HMS Fencer,I once had thought to challenge a 1/96 USS Essex in vain, as there was no space to build nor a car to transport to the lakeside ,nor to get her to the water, nor to store her...!!! O0 {-) %%
HMS Fencer 1/96 is possibly the largest to build in my work shop.
My work shop is toooo small.!!! <:( <:( <:( {:-{ {:-{ {:-{
HI Again yes its a pity your workshop is too small but we have to put up with what we have got hav'nt we ? an my NIMITZ was built in our kitchen on the table as my wife jen is fairly easy goin an she says as long as i hover up the dirt an such an keep her kitchen clean i could build in there as it was a big kitchen an the NIMITZ came in half like my tiger does so its easy to carry an easy to transport up our pond an i have two big congreate pond both within a 30 mins drive so im very lucky there an your fencer looks a very nice build could you please take so pics of the insides ? as i always like to see different ideas an at the moment while im building tiger i am sailing my 1/72 6ft long HMS NORFOLK TYPE 23 FRIGATE but pleased to meet you an hope to hear more from you as its nice to see each others models is;nt it
BEST WISHES
chris
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Hi backether + Chris
Few shots of my 1/96 HMS Hermes, stability no probelem, one large Armoured Car battery solved that and transported in the car (Ford Sierra) in one piece on a special frame with all seats down, tight squeeze but douablw.
Bob
(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2021/10/26/HMS-Hermes-1.jpg)
(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2021/10/26/HMS-Hermes-2.jpg)
(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2021/10/26/HMS-Hermes.jpg)
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Hi Rob47;
Your carrier is also big and long enough to have made me so impressed with her scale realism.
You did a very very good job on this model,superb carrier with a realistic weathering!! :-)) :-)) :-))
How many times do you normally sail her ?
Your country's HMS Queen Elizabeth has been around my country to keep a good job for peace,together with some navies.!
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Hi frogman3;
Inside of my HMS Fencer is like these,sorry for not good view shots.
1;Seeing the bow direction
2;Seeing the stern direction
3/4;Detachable ballast of lead ingots totalling to about 10kgs by which the planed water line is kept.
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Hi frogman3;
Inside of my HMS Fencer is like these,sorry for not good view shots.
1;Seeing the bow direction
2;Seeing the stern direction
3/4;Detachable ballast of lead ingots totalling to about 10kgs by which the planed water line is kept.
CHEERS for the views in your carrier an yes she looks nice sailing with her planes on just like my NIMITZ as i had 54 planes on my NIMITZ how many have you got on your hms fencer as i fitted in the planes nav lights 2mm leds an tiny motors for the hawkeye propellers an they looked very good an it got put in a model boat magazine to my amazement
chris
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Hi frogman3;
I have set an another new thread for the RC aircraft carrier models on here and take a look at there.
You may post Nimitz related articles there and many aircraft carrier model fans may pay possibly much attention to that! :-))
Let's take off to the new thread for the RCed aircraft carriers models.!! O0 {-) ok2
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Getting back to main theme of the thread..
I made a brief balance test after temporarily installing main equipment in the hull.
The result is that she needs lots of ballast to get a planed water line. Therefore,I intend to decide finally how much of weight is to be fixed in the hull just before installing the decks to the hull.!
1/2/3/4;Main component layout
5/6;Temporarily installing two decks to see if an easy access is expected....OK!
7;Bath test and I found the water line came about 1.5cm lower than the planed level. O0 :-)
Next to be done is to confirm if smoking and water drain could be done by radio operation completely as well as screw prop revolution and rudder movement.
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HI Kiyoshi LOOKING forward to seein this built :-))
chris
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Looks great :-)) :-))
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Hi Chris and dreadnought;
A great thanks for your kind comments.
This kind of conversion project to RCed plastic model ship is very interesting for me as this ship is rather small to make and convenient to store in my rabbit hutch! {-) {-) O0 O0 ok2
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Hi Backerther
I built the HMCS Snowberry kit back in 1999 as my first rc model,in a flat with my wife and that place was like a shoebox lol 😂
Actually it was a great model, as it was fun to build and went together well.
When I eventually got it on the water it handled really well. :-))
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Hi Dreadnought;
Can I see some pics of your HMCS Snowberry on here? If possible, those on the water where I think is the best place for the
water crafts.??
Pics;in my work shop like a rabbit hutch truly!! {-) {-) O0 O0 <:( <:(
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Hi Backerther[/size]I sold my HMCS Snowberry quite a wile ago and sadly
I didn’t take any pictures of it at the time.
Your workshop looks very cosy lol 😂
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Hi all;
A little progress was made in the pics below.
Yes, I made what I call a "water sucking rudder" for just draining the cooling water like full scale ships generally do from the hull side near the water line. {-) %%
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Clever! :-))
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yes this gent [/size]Kiyoshi[/font] is a very clever chap an very good work on that rudder for a water intake so the rudder is doin two things steering the ship an suckin water yes very clever indeed
chris :-))
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I built mine from the original Matchbox kit in 1982, still have it and as yet not started its refit number 6 - i think - anyway, its also sank once due to U weed dragging her down and luckily was recovered by a safety marshal at the water when an event was ongoing (this has been mentioned before years ago).
From experience the weight of ballast which was to use a battery as part of that was 6lb in old money, the RC was an Acoms - so a standard 2002 servo for the rudder, a bobs board and 2002 servo, a receiver and 4 x AA cell battery pack, the motor is a 6v decaperm with a reduction gear, i think that is still in there, the motors battery power was either 2 or 4 C cell batteries, and yes it didn't last long, but it did work, in the following refits the battery was changed to gel block that became the ballast, futaba radio gear that included (and I think is still inside it) a M20 ? speed controller, and various cosmetic changes, if I was to do the next refit it would entail redoing the access as currently the whole top, bar the front anchor area, is removed for full access, I will have to do some photos.
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Hi Martin and frogman3;
Thanks a lot for your kind comments.!! And I'm terribly sorry to be late in replying to you since I came back to Tokyo yesterday from a journey by car to the mountainous park in 2 nights and 3 days for the purpose of running my 1/10 RC rock crawler and appreciating autumnal views there. %% :-)) ok2
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Hi warspite;
I thank you so much for your detailed information about the specs and experience of your Snowberry as well as many pics,which are all so informative to me for my winter project of HMCS Snowberry.
Can I see some pics of your Snowberry on the water,if you still have some?
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Unfortunately, I never went to the water with a camera and photo's obviously never taken, but if I get my finger out I will need to refit her and get her out on the wet stuff again, she needs a good cleaning and some equipment modifications etc.
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Hi all;
Some progress were made concerning steering system as in the pics below.
I used this time some parts for RC airplane application to my HMCS Snowberry as I still have lots of RC airplane parts. O0 %)
1;A rudder horn was set like this.
2:And I made this detachable plug to seal the hole in the rudder post,by which I am able to clean the inside of the rudder post in case something like the rust or other foreign matters should stay there. %)
3;I installed the plug onto the rudder post top.
4;Steering linkage was made like this using the parts originally sold for RC airplane purpose.
5;Then I set the deck to see if it should sit on properly.
6;Well then, setting was over with this,neutral position.
7;To the right
8;To the left
9;The deck hatch was set like this and all over with this process this time. %% (^^♪～♬～♫
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Hi all;
The next goes to the bath test to see if the cooling water could be sucked up through a rudder pipe smoothly and drained statically from the holes on the hull sides,unlike the dynamic draining scene of a fast boat... %)
1;Cooling water pipe was fixed with a glue gun.
2;And a cord as well.
3;A switch for driving a micro vane pump.
4;And tested on the water of bathtub...yes, water was coming through the hole down to the surface very slowly with a 1.5V dry-cell battery.!!
5;This shows a screw prop was running...
6;This kind of powerful drainage is not appropriate for a slow-moving ship like HMCS Snowberry ,isn't it? O0 {-) %)
7;A switch for smoking device coordinated with a throttle stick
8;T-type junction to blow an air for pressing the water out in a tube after sailing.
9;Latest layout..possibly will be final layout unless any problems would be found even in the future.. %%
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Hi all;
Some more progress were made around battery compartment and general layout is possibly done finally like these in the pics.
This model ship will be a regular scale model ship to be used for sailing regularly on the water as she is small enough to carry
with and comparatively high hull sides in case the weather is fine and calm, needless to say.
1/2;Batteries fixed and connected in the compartment.
3;Battries disconnected like this.
4;Final layout...All around the decks are to be fixed with screws.
5/6;Normal service hatch is foredeck mainly to change the batteries.
7;The superstructure is to be detached when necessary like changing a battery and checking the main motor,etc every time just after each run.So this is fixed to the deck with two roller catches for easy detaching.
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I found that I couldn't work out how to disconnect the communication lines from the mast to the rear gun platform, so opted to lift the whole lot off, i now know better and intend to separate the rear deck and extend the drive shaft and rudder servo to be under the main bridge area, with ballast to the rear area and as low as possible under the new motor position etc.
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Hi all;
A very little progress for today which is like a snail's speed slower than a turtle.. {-)
1;An enclosure was complete.
2;Two roller catches were also fixed.
3;The deck was reinforced.
4;The superstructure was neatly adjusted to fit.
5;Temporarily decks were put in the hull..So and so.. {-)
6;Usually these two space are used for maintenance.
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HI Backeather lovely work on your ship :-))
chris
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Enjoying this but wondering why the cooling for the motor as would not think this model would be run to warrant it ?.
Just Curious.
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Hi Chris;
I did not know of your health conditions at all so far..I thought you must have been so busy with your Tiger build..
Please take a sufficient time to recover your good health for your Tiger.
Kiyoshi
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Hi TheLongBuild;
Thank you so much for your comment.
It is tooo much understandable and natural for you to have a curious impression on my water cooling system for my Snowberry. EVEN I am suspicious of the system about an absolute necessity.
On the contrary, it is a fact that the ship became warm on the water tank even at slow run in the bathtub test for a minute or so. If this ship should run in the mid-summer,the 540 class motor and water tank might get warm or hot...
Anyhow,I think it's better to have it than not.I regard this system as this level. %%
Moreover,I added this water cooling to expect and simulate scale realism rather than actual effect to cool the motor as I had mentioned before.
Moreover,this small ship is a bit large for a motor,an ESC, a receiver,a steering servo,a battery to look lonely in the hull.
And she therefore has still a lot of buoyancy for which I have to load more gears to get an adequate water line not by lead ballast,but by some meaningful gears to get them actually work in the hull. :(( %% O0
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Hi Chris;
I did not know of your health conditions at all so far..I thought you must have been so busy with your Tiger build..
Please take a sufficient time to recover your good health for your Tiger.
Kiyoshi
HI [size=78%]Kiyoshi YES BEEN ILL all week with a sickness bug but im starving myself for the last two days to kill the bug but i now feel better so hopefully tomorrow i can have somthing to eat as jen says just a bit of dry toast so i see how i get on an hope soon will be able to get on back to my tiger build [/size]
[size=78%]thank you for your concern over my health Sir an we both hope you an your family are well [/size]
[size=78%]chris an jen [/size]
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Hi Chris;
Thank you so much for your concern over our health, me and my wife.
Hi all;
A little progress was done on haws pipes,though not yet finished. O0
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HI Kiyoshi those hawser pies for the ankors look great you are really getting into the build well done
[/size]chris
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Hi Chris;
Yes,it's really easy to build a plastic model ship unlike scratch-build model ships and authentic wood model ships posted on here. :-))
Mine goes comparatively smooth to proceed to the next step to build as you know. {-)
I wish to sail this corvette in coming spring,April...on a calm water...like this tugboat on the water.
Hi all;
Two hawse pipes are nearly complete before fixing and painting. %%
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Hello Kiyoshi yes ive built plastic model ships the main one bein the lyndberg blue devil destestroyer at about a meter long a an that sailed ok an im impressed with you ALANTIC ship on how she sails looks very realistic an that a very good pic of you in the water with your boat :-)) i would never try that as id proberly fall in lol
keep the pics comin an im makin a start today back on my tiger an hope to show some pics soon but what ive got too make is a unit that feeds 5 things by eletric with a servo fitted in an ive got to make two of them so quite difficult pic below its the thing with the red disk an i call it a cam swich that works 5 imtems from my R/C on a knob controll on my R/C as i have 2 of these on my T/X
https://ibb.co/8shC7vx (https://ibb.co/8shC7vx)
chris
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Even with the top of my corvette being 'LOOSE', she handled waves similar to the screen shots from the cruel sea, although not at the same speed - a lot quicker as the wind whipped the lake up with white horses atop of the waves. Being light she rode the waves rather than crashing through them. So you should not have any concerns about her being able to take a bit of wave, she will be quite capable.
Picture of HMS Coreopsis[/font][/color][/size] that was used in the film
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Hi Chris;
Your cam switch is interesting and did a good job.!!
I suppose it must have been so difficult to make the sensitive shape of cam as well as to set it against 5 micro switches. O0
It is well contrived and your craftsmanship is stunning !!
The following pics are my 3 way switch with 2 micro switches installed in 1/24 Japan Army Type 90 tank.
Micro servo works right switch on ,both switches on,left switch on.
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Hi warspite;
Thank you so much for your pic with so dynamic scene as well as encouragement.!
I like this kind of scenes and I sometimes encounter such fierce waves on my local lake when boating regardless of my expectations... {:-{ :(( <:(
She is not a water jumper nor fond of jumping and striking into the water,needless to say.!! {-) O0
Splashed and drenched and splashed and drenched.....Though actually no water in the cabin except some water drops as she is a cabin cruiser not a runabout.
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HI [/size]Kiyoshi THANKS FOR YOUR KIND COMMENTS ON MY CAM SWITCH AN YOUR BOAT HERE IS NEAR FLYIN OUT OF THE WATER WOW IT MUST BE MOKEIN THE KNOTS AN LOOKS GREAT VERY WELL DONE [/font]CHRIS [/font] :-))
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Hi warspite;
Thank you so much for your pic with so dynamic scene as well as encouragement.!
I like this kind of scenes and I sometimes encounter such fierce waves on my local lake when boating regardless of my expectations... {:-{ :(( <:(
She is not a water jumper nor fond of jumping and striking into the water,needless to say.!! {-) O0
Splashed and drenched and splashed and drenched.....Though actually no water in the cabin except some water drops as she is a cabin cruiser not a runabout.
So the flower class corvette will handle that and heavier waves, as she will be slower as well, she is not a race horse by any means
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Hi warspite;
Yes,I'm intending to sail this Snowberry with a scale like speed to simulate the full scale one on a calm water if possible, as seen in the following video of a tugboat. Otherwise,this Snowberry will be suitable to sail on a rather rough water like in the Atlantic Ocean in the winter..??? {-) %) ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4gSfeFL-ds (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4gSfeFL-ds)
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Hi all;
A little progress for today is to apply water resistant seals around the deck.
I used a buffer rubber for a sliding door which I found DIY shop at the cost of ￥54/m,and got it at 1m. O0 {-)
This corvette is rather high water line so that I think it necessary to prudently seal the edge around the deck as much as possible.
To make the matter worse,our local lake is windy that causes a rough surface frequently throughout a year... {:-{ :((
"It is or must be better to have it than not."is my style.
1;54yen/m buffer rubber for a sliding door.
2;Cut it into two by which 2m seal rubbers could be available.The section is D shape with a sticky tape.!! :-))
3/4;Fore hull
5;After hull
6/7;All around the hull done!
8;I do want our boating lake to be like this water surface whenever I sail a scale war ship model {:-{ :(( [size=78%]...[/size]
[size=78%] [/size]
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HI Kiyoshi LOOKS GOOD dont think you will get any leaks from the seals you have fitted well done
[/size]an hope you are well Sir
[/size]chris :-))
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Have you used this type of deck seal before Backerther ? :-)
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Hi Martin;
No,it's the very first time to have adopted this way of sealing.
I happed to find this material in a DIY shop, when wandering to find something suitable for sealing material that should meet my concept for the sealing method. {-)
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Hi all;
A little and slow progress for today is temporary decking screwed on after sealing to see if the decks should sit around the hull properly..
The result was so and so as usual... {-)
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I bought this type of seal for the windows, it starts ok but after the windows have been opened and shut a few time it started to retain its compressed shape and at one point we could hear the wind whistling through the gap, will have to photo the current inside of my boat to show what I did nearly 40 years ago {-) , from memory that type of seal was not available - more the sponge type strip with a sticky back substrate almost like double sided selotape - but I never thought of using that as it would come off like it does on internal doors.
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Hi warspite;
Thank you so much for sharing useful information with us from your precious experience in the past.
I easily imagine it would be so judging from the nature of rubber sponge material...
Mine will go into the same case as you have experienced,but if such malfunction should occur,I will change the material
as required.For that kind of purpose,I fixed the decks screwed on whenever they may come off from the hull as required.
The sticky rubber sponge is so cheap and easy to apply to the hull that it is convenient for me to use for this type of ship. ok2
To tell the truth,I have no ideas about sealing easily except this style. {-) {-) :-))
Thank you for your information.!! :-))
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Hi all;
A tiny progress was made today around a main switch as shown.
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Hi all;
A brief water resistant test was done on the work bench. %%
The test was was made on the lower deck at the mid-ship,where is the lowest on the lower deck because the deck has a remarkable sheer up to the stern.That is because the water may gather at the mid-ship deck if it should come in the form of splash or heavy rolls on my local lake..... {:-{ :((
1;I poured the water with this hand pump.
2/3;The water stopped like this...no flowing..
4;No leakage in the hull
5;A very extreme sheer is a character of this type of corvettes originally modified from whale boat..?? {-)
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WELL Done it looks very good an getting thngs to work well done
chris :-))
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Hi Chris;
Sooo glad to have your kind comment.! %%
Are you going well with your Tiger and health in these days...?
I make it a practise to allot the time for building this model around half a day or so at the longest normally,as this is what they call "an easy to assemble plastic model". {-) O0 ok2
Therefore,there is no need to get it in a hurry to the goal and I'm really enjoying the assemblies very much.♬～♫～(^^♪
This kind of plastic model ship seems sooo suitable for the aged like me in these days.!! O0 O0 O0 {-) :-))
That is because I could spare more time for the operations of the RCed models in the fields regardless of their kinds for me. O0 {-)
Building while operating another model and operating another while building .... :-))
This is so called my style of RC life.! {-) %%
Kiyo
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Kiyo, to which scale did you build the Kayak in the background? {-)
Honestly, I am following your build with great interest and you are doing a great job there, as always O0 :-))
Regards,
Arno
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Hi Arno;
Very nice to hear from you again on here.You are good at joking right on here and warm as usual.
Thanks a lot for following my build of Snowberry.
By the way,what are you doing with the RC models recently.I am interested in your recent works if you should have some.
Kiyo
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Kiyo, I have hijacked Kim‘s thread, over here:
https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,54069.950.html (https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,54069.950.html)
I am still building my Shannon lifeboat at a slow but steady pace…..
Regards,
Arno
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Hi Arno;
I didn't notice at all that you had been posting so marvelous works of lifeboat Shannon so far in just the neighboring column.
As I have imagined so, and you have actually been building a outstandingly superb model as you had done in other models..
You are building the lifeboat as if it were the full scale ship in the smaller size of 1/12,aren't you?? :-)) ok2
In this sense,you are a shipwright rather than a ship modeller at all the points of the boat. {-) %% O0
Kiyo
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Hi Chris;
Sooo glad to have your kind comment.! %%
Are you going well with your Tiger and health in these days...?
I make it a practise to allot the time for building this model around half a day or so at the longest normally,as this is what they call "an easy to assemble plastic model". {-) O0 ok2
Therefore,there is no need to get it in a hurry to the goal and I'm really enjoying the assemblies very much.♬～♫～(^^♪
This kind of plastic model ship seems sooo suitable for the aged like me in these days.!! O0 O0 O0 {-) :-))
That is because I could spare more time for the operations of the RCed models in the fields regardless of their kinds for me. O0 {-)
Building while operating another model and operating another while building .... :-))
This is so called my style of RC life.! {-) %%
Kiyo
HI Kiyo yes im feeling a lot better now thank goodness an yes im back on my tiger build now an its now starting to get complaicatated doin the wireing but i love doin the wireing as i love the challenge of getting it all to work so now happy days but i wont be posting any more linkpics for a few months as i dont want to bore you all with just all the wireing goin into her but i will be following yours an everybody eles builds so have fun building an sailing
ATB
chris
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Hi all;
A little progress for today is the temporary completion of hull body such level as to be able to sail as is after sealing sufficiently all around the deck edges.
1/2;Service deck hatch
3/4/5/6;Temporarily fixed with screws
Next step is a final check to see how much of the sealings will do against a very choppy surface of the lake,using a bathtub. O0 {-)
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HI Kiyo have well have fun in tha bath then an
hope no leaks in her
chris :-))
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Hi all;
I did an ultimate drench test on my Snowberry supposing that she should meet a so choppy surface of our lake by the fierce wind of winter as if the full size Snowberry might have experienced in the North Atlantic under a certain convoy operation. {-) O0 ok2
The result was so and so,not so good at fore-deck edge on port-side where a little amount of water soaked into the hull due to insufficient sealing. {:-{ :(( :o :o On the contrary,other deck edges were generally OK with rare water drops found.
The test was done using a bath bucket pouring the water 3 time passes over the hull that was completely drenched as in the pics below. O0 O0 {-) {-) :o :o Our lake is so choppy frequently, especially in the winter...though fundamentally throughout a year. {:-{ :(( %) :o
1/2/3;The drench test done three time-passes overt the hull repeatedly! {-)
4; The starboard was so negligibly small that means OK to sail on the water for 7minutes or so.
5;The port-side is not satisfactory to me judging from many drops of water stuck to the hull that meant apparent evidence to soak in..... <:( 8) {:-{
The cause was poor sealing as seen,which shows split small seals separately...and I changed the part into one piece seal.
Starboard seal was comparatively OK as split seals were not applied adequately.
6;Around the after-deck edge was also OK fundamentally.
Frankly speaking,I never intend to sail this boat on such a choppy surface of our lake as done at this test,but I thought it necessary to do this level of violent drench test to be worthy of knowing in advance how this hull would be soaked in when she should face the risky water attack in the sailing. O0 O0 ;) :-))
As this model is intended mainly to run on the choppy lake rather frequently as my standard and regular scale ship once completed,this kind of test I think is inevitable for me to do in advance to actual sailing. O0 :-))
Moreover,this kit is,needless to say, a display model originally so that the conversion to RCed model securely require the intensive counter-measures against water leakage,as you may easily imagine. Otherwise, she might go to the bottom of the lake sometime during regular operations by unexpected incident... <:( 8) :((
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WOW, pictures 2 & 3 make the hull look more like 1:144 instead of 1:72, that is extreme flooding, NOTE - if the vessel experiences that much water then she will not be on choppy water but in the leading edge of a tsunami, the vessel, like the real ones will ride the waves not cut into them depending on her final weight.
If she is to take that kind of punishment - I would not be worried about her sinking due to the amount of water on deck - more of her splitting in two along the centre where the front two halves connect to rear two halves, as that is her weak spot.
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Very impressive test Backearther
I built this model back in 198? when Matchbox first issues it and it has many years of running in all kinds of weather, including rough weather. May I make some suggestions based on how mine was done?
#1 I went ahead and glued in the forecastle deck permanently into place.
#2 I ran similar sealing material under the main foredeck, but I made it continuous instead of in sections and just ran my securing screws through the gasket material and into the plastic ledge underneath.
#3 I used silicone glue/seal to secure the rear deck as it totally secures the deck while allowing removal, (with some effort) at some point for rudder maintenance if needed. I have never had to remove it in over 40 years.
#4 I built an inner bulwark inside the engine room casing allowing it to be lifted off while still preventing water from entering under the lip of the house at deck level.
If I was to change anything on mine I would take the seal under the main deck and install it into a trough that would allow the use of magnates instead of screws in placing the main deck. I would have done that back when I built mine, but neodymium magnets were not as readily available back then.
I must admit that my Corvette did sink once........... It was run over by a 30 pound RC tug going full speed and was rolled completely over! :-(
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Hi warspite;
Thanks for your interesting comment on my violent experiment on the Snowberry.
This is just an experiment only so that I never get her to sail on such a dangerous surface of our lake even if she should be well sealed...I am so coward to sail a scale ship and so I made such an experiment as in my bathtub in advance. {-) O0
I like this kind of weather as in the pic below for a Rced scale ship. Windspeed is below 2m/s at the fastest.
Nearly mirror-like surface of the lake is sooo ideal isn't it? :-))
Kiyo
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Hi Imagna;
Thanks a lot for your informative suggestions from your experience of the same corvette fundamentally.
The item number #1;I do think so and I'll do that.
#2;It's a good idea to use something like gasket.
#3;Using silicone glue/seal may appear perfect to use at the part,but may also seem a bit difficult to detach the deck if required for me...
#4;This must be useful very much.!
I think your way of water resistance is nearly perfect so that she has been surviving for 40 years even in the sailing under high wind so far except a sinking by accident....This fact may possibly show the excellence as if a real corvette was well designed to meet the sailings under high seas like the North Atlantic in the winter.
Kiyo
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Hi Kiyo
I am sure your efforts will work out OK. Like you say, the Corvette design was a very good seakeeping ship, even though they were also VERY wet inside in heavy seas. Watch the 1953 movie "The Cruel Sea" where they used one of the last Corvettes for filming!
I like your lake. Easy to launch and plenty of room to run! Enjoy your day.
Lou
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Hi Lou;
I just intend to search for the movie 'The Cruel Sea"which seems interesting though too old....
Our boating site is surely good enough to sail the model boats while it's too large enough though... O0 ;D ok2 ;)
Kiyo
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Kiyo
I am not certain what your sources are in Japan or if you can play US DVDs but here we can stream it on Amazon, but the least expensive way to watch it would be by buying a DVD or Blue Ray through eBay. https://www.ebay.com/sch/617/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=The+Cruel+Sea+%281953%29&_sop=15 (https://www.ebay.com/sch/617/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=The+Cruel+Sea+%281953%29&_sop=15) That way you would also own your own copy and watch it a number if times if you wish. It may be an old movie but like many of the WWII British movies made in the 50s and early 60s it holds up pretty well. Warning......... it is in black and white.
Where is your sense of adventure? There is no such thing as a lake that is too large! O0
Lou
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Hi Lou;
I just intend to search for the movie 'The Cruel Sea"which seems interesting though too old....
Our boating site is surely good enough to sail the model boats while it's too large enough though... O0 ;D ok2 ;)
Kiyo
According to the author of the cruel sea many of his charecters are based on people who met/served with during the convoys. It certainely is a good source and still a first rate film
Bob
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Hello Bob
Yes Nicholas Monsarrat himself and his stories were not far removed from his real life. He volunteered for the RNVR early in the war and was commissioned as a Sub-Lieutenant in 1940. He served as 1st officer on a couple of Corvettes and then in1943 took command of a Kingfisher class corvette. He went on to command two more Frigates during the war. His books, not just The Cruel Sea, took place on these types of ships.
What is more important is that the movie people remained true to not only Monsarrat's story, but to the feeling of that story and did not try to overpower it with their own ideas and big stars like they so many times do. I wish more films followed that format these days, more good authors would be willing to have their books made into movies if they did.
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Hi Lou and Rob47
I have just finished to see The Cruel Sea for over2 hours and been impressed deeply with every part of it as cruel,pitiful, too cold mentally and physically.....................in the battles of the Atlantic against the enemy subs in the winter.
It was terribly high waves in the North Atlantic especially in the winter where a great many of seamen were forced to fight
for their respective country.....
The Compass rose and other corvettes seemed to go on bravely,dynamically and powerfully such high seas ripping the waves by the bows. O0
I will intend to build my Snowberry with keeping the impressions I have of the movie in my mind.
Thanks
Kiyo
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Kiyo
Glad you were able to see it. Makes me think I should bring out my copy and see it again.
Another, not as good or well known, movie that shows real ships in the North Atlantic is a 1958 British movie called "The Key". Unlike The Cruel Sea, the story line is COMPLETE fiction, but the scenes of the tug at sea are real, and at times impressive. The ocean going rescue tugs of WWII were even smaller and slower than Corvettes! In that regard the movie is historically accurate.
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From Memory of the "The KEY", the weather in that was very calm compared to the cruel sea, running the tug back and forth to disrupt the training subs aim was a clever idea, though I suspect inaccurate as the crew would likely adjust to suit and get at least one or two either very close or actually hit the superstructure, adjusting the direction after the crew say the sub had fired would have been more effective.
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Hi Lou;
I am going to see "The Key" within this week as it is also interesting from the viewpoint that actual ships? might come up in the movie,which would be of some help when it comes to model ship building apart from the story line for me. {-) O0
Kiyo
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The H.M.S. Restive (W39) an Assurance class Admiralty tug was used for the tug scenes on The Key. The scene that made me think a little was when they showed the work deck virtually under water and realizing that the crew had to work there even in those conditions!
While they don't go into too much detail about the work these tugs and others did in the North Atlantic in WWII they do touch on it a little. Think of the fact that they were "Escort" tugs and as such they went everywhere the convoys went. They had to do their work when the weather was at its worst and in almost all cases they had to do it alone while the remainder of the convoy sailed on. In many cases they welcomed the bad weather as it helped protect them from the U-Boats to a certain degree while they headed to safety at two or three knots with a damaged or disabled ship in tow.
Not trying to hijack your thread Kiyo, but if you like the tug scenes in The Key then you may also like the DVD set "MAYDAY Tugs Of War Europe, They Too Were Heroes" Rescues by the forgotten Tugmen of WWII. Two disks are a documentary and bonus features and the third is an interactive PDF E-book. https://www.amazon.com/Mayday-Tugs-Europe-book-included/dp/B00236WU70 (https://www.amazon.com/Mayday-Tugs-Europe-book-included/dp/B00236WU70)
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Hi Lou;
I have just finished to see again the movie"The key"which I thought was a kind of tragic love romance between David and Stella in the background of a armed tugboat in early part of WW2. But it was also interesting for me to know another life of the seamen and officers behind the war in those days in the UK.I have felt that they should look rather rich and have much emotional leeway even under the wartime than poorer Japan very much.!!!! <:(
Please never mind of tiny deviations from the main theme of this thread,Lou.!!
I will welcome such useful deviations as you put on here for reference regarding the corvette or something like that.!!
Kiyo
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(I will welcome such useful deviations as you put on here for reference regarding the corvette or something like that.!!)
Hi Kiyo
I am again happy that you enjoyed the film. One never knows if others will like the same things that we have enjoyed.
I cannot think of too many more Corvette references unless you read Monserrat's books or possibly travel to Canada and visit the HMCS Sackville in Halifax.
If it turns out that you really like sailing the Revell Corvette, but with your large lake, would like something larger, then with the use of a filament 3D printer you could build a 1:48 scale version using the software developed by this guy: https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/hobby-diy/other/flower-class-corvette (https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/hobby-diy/other/flower-class-corvette)
I know of two people who are printing this model for static display using his files. He also offers a few other files that you can use to make several ships. https://www.cgtrader.com/bensworx His files do work and with time and some effort you could have a fairly unique larger Corvette or Frigate in your collection.
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Hi Lou;
Thanks for many information relating to my 1/72 Revell Snowberry.
My way of thinking on sailing a model ship/boat on the water is that I do prefer a rather small ship like a corvette,a destroyer
and a heavy cruiser at the largest, at larger scale like 1/48 or 1/72.
In other words,this means a comparatively larger model for a small vessel.!!!!
On the contrary,my room is so narrow to collect much larger corvette that I think 1/72 corvette is OK currently.
Pics below are 77 cm tugboat which runs on the water well enough for me,while 1/72 Snowberry is 88cm...
Kiyo
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I agree with you about size and scale.
When I started in RC Boating, one of my first models was the then Matchbox Corvette, I still have it and with only a small amount of work it can still sail quite well. But soon I found that I wanted a boat that could carry more weight and do something other than just sail back and forth aimlessly. Also I noticed that a three foot long 1:72 scale looked smaller out on the lake than a three foot long 1:32 scale ship at the same distance. Also all of the small details on a smaller scale warship tend to break more easily. :-(
So in order to keep things manageable, both in my workshop but in my car and on the lake i started building tugboats and today I sail almost nothing else. I do have a 1/72 scale 3D printed model of the USS Olympia of 1898 that is almost 5 feet long that I need to build. It will then be my largest ship.
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The boat I am using the most right now is a 30 inch tug very similar in looks to the one you show in your picture.
Lou [/size]
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Hi Lou;
I think so too when it comes to model ship boating on the water,a larger boat of large scale for a small boat do look actually bigger when seen from distant place. O0
On the other hand,there are mainly three restrictions for me when deciding a model boat building currently as to its size. <:(
The size of work shop, size of "sleeping bed for the model"(1.8m long),size of transportation car(luggage space is about 1.9m long)
From these background,I am naturally obliged to select the model ship less than 1.8m long at the longest !!!!! <:( <:( {:-{ :((
To tell the truth,I am living in a small house typically in Japan possibly unlike yours... {-) O0 <:(
1/2;1/15 scale luxury boat "Najade"(105cm long) Very large scale!! %% %% {-) {-)
3/4;Very small work shop !!!! <:( <:( <:( The aircraft carrier is 162cm long...
5/6/7;Sleeping bed for my Beauties... Outer length of bed is 1.8m long.. {:-{ :((
Kiyo
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Yes is probable that you are living in a smaller house than I am. But I have to share my house with my wife and I still have two kids at home who all take up more space than I have available for my boat hobbies! The only place I have where I could have a sleeping bed for my boats like you do would be the basement or the attic! My work space is also our eating table.
For vehicles to transport my boats I have three possibilities. My car is a Mini Cooper so you can guess how small that is. %% Next, I can use my wife's car, (And most times do) that is a Honda CRV. It is able to pretty much carry any boat I can get in and out of the water. If I ever get it built and running I also have a 3D printed warship, the USS Olympia[size=78%] [/size]
(https://modelshipworld.com/uploads/monthly_2021_06/35DC650B-7F6A-40B0-8DBF-B637A7F8B998.thumb.jpeg.38013787c3d9e9b05c50772311f07396.jpeg)
Is almost as big as your carrier and I think that if I am ever able to finish it, that I will have to use the family car, a Honda Pilot, with the seats folded down! It is almost 152cm long!
My biggest problems comes in getting the boat into and out of the water as well as into and out of the vehicle. I am 72 years old and have had five surgeries on my back, hip and foot. I do not move as freely as I once did! :((
Right now I have two boats that I can run. I have the 22" Southampton tug and the larger 30" Horizon Proboat 30. I suppose I could take both to the lake at the same time but usually I only take one at a time.
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Hi Lou;
Oh,what a coincidence in age with you!! :D :o %%
As for transporting and getting the ship into and out of water and my car,I have been using very primitive ways as seen below. But I made a another trolley after modifying a cart for farming use as seen below though not tested yet with the absence of opportunity to go boating for the carrier.... <:( <:(
On the launching day and thereafter
1;The carrier in my car
2;getting th ship out of my car
3;Ready for launching
4/5;On the very launching ON THE WATER at last like this!!! toooo heavy of 25KG ..??
But new trolley was completed like this at last !!
6/7;foldable and stretchable up to 1.8m long made of aluminum
8/9/10;a handle and side guards are also detachable.
With this trolley ,I could go to the boating site at a time.!!!! %% {-) O0 %) :-))
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It looks like you are very well set up for getting to the lake and running your boats Kiyo.
My cart may not be as nice or as solid as yours, but it has worked out so far with the boats I need to get to the pond and back home:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BUUUIGK/ref=redir_mobile_desktop?_encoding=UTF8&aaxitk=f63359cea6fdd7688cffe864de81b914&hsa_cr_id=1810435525&pd_rd_plhdr=t&pd_rd_r=538649db-2ef4-47e7-a87c-b1b050bc9e39&pd_rd_w=WnYM3&pd_rd_wg=SvubC&ref_=sbx_be_s_sparkle_mcd_asin_0_img&th=1
It has worked quite well and in addition my wife likes it because it folds up when not in use and stores out of sight. I addition I use a luggage cart:
https://www.amazon.com/Sutekus-Folding-Portable-Truck-Loading/dp/B07LBHXP6P/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=folding+wheeled+luggage+cart&qid=1639151177&sr=8-5
for getting the boat in and out of the water without having to get into the water myself. This has worked well for me so far but I could see where it may not work as well if i was launching off of a dock high above the water, or from a gently sloping shore.
I did not pay as much as the Amazon samples I am showing but what I bought was much the same
Lou
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Hi Lou and all;
1:Once I used this one but I felt it a little bit weak for my carrier... {:-{
Anyhow,RC boating is pleasant,isn't it..!!?
2;1/96 HMS Fencer
3;1m class cabin cruiser boat "Princess"with a water-cooled brushless motor of 2050KV 3S,150A ESC
4;77cm Tugboat sailing with a scale like speed ..??
5;1m class "JupiterF-99"wooden model with a water-cooled brushless motor of 2250KV 3S,120A ESC
6;105cm Krick Najade with a brushless motor water-cooled
They are very good runners currently on the water now in service. %)
Getting back to my subject of this thread.. Revell HMCS Snowberry 1/72 plastic model under building to be finished by next March to take part in my Beauties group for sailing !... {-) %% ok2 %)
7/8;Foredeck has almost been built like this..
Both RC boating and building are pleasant for me.!!! :-)) :-)) :-)) ok2 ;)
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Hi all;
A little progress was made like this.
A winch and anchor chains were set and I got the chains longer enough to let them use for mooring a buoy in the future at our local lake on a very calm day. O0 ;D %%
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Nicely done, did you motorize them?
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Hi Lou;
Yes,I did it in the very beginning. O0
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Hi all;
My Snowberry is going securely and slowly ahead like the real one,to go for expected happy sailing on the water.
A 4-incher main gun is recent works as per the instruction manuals.
1;Cutting out the openings for aiming the targets.
2;Done!
3/4;Assembled after painting and boring the muzzle
5;The gun mount was set on the platform where many shells were ready to fire ..?
As this is a small corvette so that no space to raise such shells from the shell room under the deck was to be realised...?
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Nicely done Kiyo
Yes the circle of shells around the platform was the ready ammo that would be used first in any gunnery action. The 4" gun could fire a round about every five or six seconds. This was as a rule, a little faster than additional rounds could be brought up from below through the ammo handling system and placed in the breach. Especially in rough weather where it was not uncommon for water to pour down the open ammo hatch and into the ship adding to the general discomfort of all concerned.
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Hi Lou;
Thanks for your comment together with a very interesting information on the gun mount as well as its relating story of the crucial and cruel warfare in the North Atlantic operations of convoy....A corvette Less than 1000 ton of displacement must have been so hard to sail beyond our imaginations especially in the winter in terms of its seaworthiness.....just like a leaf in the rough water... {:-{ :(( My late father was a chief engineer of a small cargo liner nearly the same as the corvette before and after the Pacific war though just an infantry during the war in east New Guinea on the front line...76 years ago...
Pics are my seaworthy JupiterF-99 like a RC crawler on the land..??ha-ha-ha {-) O0 :-))
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Your cabin cruiser looks like it can be a lot of fun on a windy day! I have run my Matchbox Corvette in similar conditions many years ago.
The real Flower class Corvettes were very seaworthy............ but at the same time they were also extremely uncomfortable as they rolled even in calm waters. It was not uncommon for ma corvette to roll 40 degrees to each side in heavy seas and do it VERY fast. Their motion in the water would make even strong sailors seasick! But according to records no seaman was ever lost overboard due to sea conditions on a corvette.
If your lake gets that rough sometimes it will be interesting to see how she will look when you finally get to take her out on a rough day. I know that with mine it was a little scary at times.
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Very seaworthy but the US modified ones, based on the bulk of the Canadian built ones, seemed to have a lot more top-hamper as well.
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Hi Lou,
To tell the truth,I am not confident at all about sailing on such a rough water with my Snowberry, so I may get her sail on calm water unlike the real ship... O0 {-) %%
Hi tonyH;
Thanks a lot for your comment and so nice a pic of corvette.! :-))
1/2/3;I know the terror of our lake from some sailing experience in the past as seen below...
as if she were to sink in a sudden windy weather on a trial sailing...as if hit by a torpedo....
4;I wish to sail a scale boat/ship on this kind of surface....except a skipper O0 O0 %%
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Hi Lou,
To tell the truth,I am not confident at all about sailing on such a rough water with my Snowberry, so I may get her sail on calm water unlike the real ship... O0 {-) %%
The Corvette can take rough water with no problems , especially if you have properly waterproofed it. I used to sail mine in conditions where I had water breaking over the bridge when going head first into waves.It used to get some water inside as I had not fully sealed off the hawse holes but generally no more than a few teaspoonfuls. I did not have a removeable deck, the superstructure was removeable with coamings around the hatches. Access to the inside was reduced but omce everything was fitted there was never any need to get in and replace it, only access needed was to charge the batteries.
Jim
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Hi Tony
The 18 American corvettes were pretty much used just as they were received from the British, Ireland, and Canadian shipyards. The only immediate changes made were the removal of the British 4" mount forward and in the modified Flowers the two pounder on the boiler room casing. These were replaced with an American DP 4" forward and a 3" at the after end of the boiler casing. This made them more heavily armed than the British/ Canadian ships. Very few if any superstructure modifications were made with the possible exception of the bird cage radar being replaced with a later model lighter radar mounted on the mast instead of the platform behind the bridge. A few of the US ships were also equipped with a quad 40mm mount where the British ships had the 2 pounder located but this was only done on ships located in high enemy aircraft areas. Some of the later ships also had hedgehogs added and the forward 4" reduced to a 3" DP gun. Other than the ships equipped with the quad 40mm I don't know of any other alterations that would have increased the top hamper.
I don't know if I would have taken an aircraft carrier very far off shore in weather like that Kiyo!!!! :o I suppose that if buit right they are no less seaworthy than other ships, (After all several of these carriers and more survived a hurricane in the Pacific in 1944.
(https://www.history.navy.mil/content/history/nhhc/about-us/leadership/director/directors-corner/h-grams/h-gram-039/h-039-2/_jcr_content/body/media_asset/image.img.jpg/1577121540345.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/600x315/a9/29/9e/a9299e5c4d82a05b5a4360ddb7d09142.jpg)
It was a wonder that so few ships were lost, but a number of them were damaged.
My Corvette was similar Jim. The forecastle was permanently glued down forward of the gun platform/breakwater. The after deck was also permanently glued except I did it with silicone glue incase I needed to remove it for rudder maintenance some day, (I never have) I installed a combing under the boiler room casing and even with the rear deck completely under water no water could get in that way. The bridge mid deck was attached using magnets and had a gasket underneath similar to what Kiyo had done, except that mine was a continuous seal instead of shorter pieces like he has done. I also have had solid water go over the bridge when heading into the waves and would roll 45 degrees when turning with the wind and waves coming from the beam. I always found those days of sailing great fun but even though I had great faith in my corvette they were also a little nerve racking as well.
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Here is a guy out your way who prefers smooth water when sailing his RC ships Kiyo.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5-hsp6N8vQ6q56Eh-wqhpQ/videos
Of course when you realize that most of them are 1/700 then it is not surprising! Quite the talented builder, I wish he showed more than just the ships or items running around on the pond.
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(https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=59501.0;attach=196195;image)
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Hi Lou,
I've always assumed that the US/Canadian ones carried extra weight higher up. The supposed displacement of the British built was just over 1000 tons but Navsource gives the displacement of USS Intensity etc as just short of 1400. Mistranslation of units? Certainly, when I converted a 1/72 kit some time ago there was a lot more going on upstairs. The photo below is my 1/144 version of the US one......very tender on the pond!
Tony
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This is the 1/72 version
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Hi tonyH;
Thanks for some nice pics of 1/72 corvette,superb work ! :-))
By the way,is this built from the kit of Revell and RC conversion model?
Kiyo
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Hi Lou,
You did find very unusual model warships mainly of IJN and indeed they are running at 1/700 scale very well on the mirror-like surface. O0
Judging from the captions, the author must not be a Japanese... %) ok2 :-)
Kiyo
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Hi Kiyo,
Basic kit and rest scratch built apart from 3inch gun, d/c rails and railings which were 3D printed from Shapeways. Same for the 1/144 model
Thanks for the comments.
Tony
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Hi JimG;
Thank you so much for your style of building information.
I think your way is better than my style,but even my style is able to detach the foredeck within 1 minute by loosening 6 tiny screws for battery change at the sailing site,which I think is quite OK.
Anyhow, there must be various ways when it comes to RC conversion procedures,depending upon theirs respective and favorite methods coming from their past experiences...
Frankly speaking,I was at a loss in the beginning how I should do to change a battery..The result was this kind of primitive style!!..... {-) {-) {-) %%
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Hello Tony
I kind of hate hijacking Kiyo's build yet again, but hopefully he doesn't mind too much.
I would have to drag out a few books pertaining to corvettes and even then there may be mistakes and discrepancies between ships, navies and all sorts of things. Corvettes are hard to get exact numbers on in many cases as there were at least two major designs and many smaller differences that were dependent on the shipyard where they were built and where they were stationed.
I don't have all the numbers right at hand but your sources could be talking about two different designs. The 1000 ton ship could be an early corvette before they added the extended foredeck/crew quarters/ fuel storage etc. They also altered the main deck house and bridge and enlarged both of them. Along with added guns these changes between early and later corvettes could easily account for many tons in additional weight. I know that Wikipedia gives the tonnage between the two as being almost the same at about 1000 +- tons. I am not certain that you could make the internal and external changes that the modified Flowers had and still keep them at the same tonnage. That does not also say that all the added weight was all bad and caused one ship to be more tender than the other. ALL corvettes were considered tender and would roll excessively in almost any seaway. Even that does no mean that they were bad seakeeping ships, in fact quite the opposite was true. They were also noted as being very seaworthy and able to handle virtually anything they encountered but the same may not be said of the crew. The constant violent pitching about that was sometimes so violent that one had to be strapped into his bunk to keep from being thrown out and water ran over even the lower decks. Add a few design picadillo's to the mix like the Galley being located in the shack between the bridge and the stack and required that the mess attendant carry the food across the open deck to get it to the crewman's mess forward. As far as I know this was not changed on the modified corvettes.
As for the handling of your model corvettes, we have much better leeway over the real thing. We can compensate for many handling issues through ballast and running gear and the fact that the rest of the model top hamper is mostly empty. I never built/ran the 1/144th corvette model so I can not speak for it but my 1/72 model ran quite well and was stable enough and I was never worried about her capsizing unless she was ran over. (It happened once and she sank fairly quickly!).
Both your corvettes look fantastic. It is hard to think that they are able to stay so pristine as RC ships. I wish mine looked so nice! DO you also have pictures of the interior layout?
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A question I forgot to ask Tony. Is it possible that you have your ships ballasted too light? That would also make them roll much more.
Lou
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Hi all and the persons concerned with this thread;
I came up here at snail's pace like the real Flower class corvettes while many earnest arguments have been done among the corvette enthusiasts with which I have been surprised to know their huge amount of information and knowledge.... :-)) :o
I just have set the 4"main gun temporarily to check if it sits on properly as per the instruction manuals...
Judging from the both openings beside the gun port,it may look a dual purpose gun though it is impossible to elevate the gun much higher angle due to limited elevating arc teeth...just a plastic display model..??But it does not matter at all for me as I only do expect her to be a good and stable runner on the water realistically that is my final purpose to build her. :-) ;) %) O0
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Looking very nice Kiyo
The British 1917 MK IX 4" even without a shield like was used in the corvettes was not considered a DP gun. it was pretty much considered a surface to surface gun.
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Hi Lou, and I agree that apologies to Kiyo are in order from me too! PM Sent.
Tony :-))
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Hi Lou and tonyH,
I have understood this point very much.
Judging from the profile and supposed caliber(length by bore seemed short for AA purpose)of the 4"gun,even I couldn't believe it a dual purpose gun. O0 :D
Kiyo
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In the grand scheme of things [trajectory] ...[a new word for the year that Politicians have discovered :P and used a lot with Covid & the aim of our economy] is that the manually driven [powered] train & elevation mechanism of these 4" gun mounts, was such that attempting to judge the speed and position etc, of an incoming aeroplane, and compensating for pitch & roll of a 1000 ton vessel bobbing around like a cork was an absolute impossibility
If any Flower Class vessel fitted with such a gun mount actually succeeded in shelling an incoming aircraft is described as a feat of luck over anything else
The Vickers machine guns fitted to the Flower Class were however acknowledged as being far superior in defending the vessels against air attack
However Mighty little Warships O0
Derek
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I beleive that many of these 4" gun mounts were reused ex WW I, no real need for high angle mounts at that time . I would not class a Vickers .303 machine gun as being particularly effective against WW II aircraft, more of a scare gun. The 20mm Oerlikons and the 2pd pompom would have some effect although lacking in numbers for real anti aircraft. Not too much of a concern as mid Atlantic there were only a few FW200 to be defended against and near land at either end there was air cover available.
Jim
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The 4" gun on the Flowers were definately incapable of AA fire.
This is why ships in the Med and on the Arctic convoys had 4 extra Oerlikons.
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I also would question the effectiveness of a Vickers as a AAA gun other than the possible psychological value to both the crew that they were doing SOMETHING and a warning to the pilot to not get any closer than rock throwing distance. In areas where aircraft were more common they were quickly replaced with 20mm when those guns became available. This was not only true of corvettes but in almost any ship equipped with .303 or even .50. They just didn't have the needed range, or on the case of the .303 the real stopping power.
On the other hand, on those ships taken into US operations the weaponry was soon replaced with American weapons. Some American corvettes appear to have retained the British low angle 4" and it is possible that some may have been equipped with MK10 4"/50cal guns. but with a maximum angle of 20 degrees they were not much of an anti aircraft gun either. Most US ships ended up with the 3"/50 DP guns both fore and aft. I find no evidence of British or Canadian ships getting the same treatment even though in certain areas they also seemed to switch over the the 20mm whenever possible.
Here is one example of A British corvette being transferred to US use and how she looked after conversion:
USS Saucy still with British guns and radar, even still in British camo but already renamed and flying the American flag.
Here she is after a more complete refit for American use.
The British birdcage radar is gone as are the original guns.The mast has been strengthened to hold the SO type radar that has been deleted from the picture by censors. It appears that in this case the forward 4" gun and shield were replaced with a 4"/50, probably from an old four stacker. A DP 3" has been added on the rear boiler casing, and the 2 pounder replaced with at least 20mm guns within the pagoda, and two more singles in tubs on each side just aft of the stack. There are also 20s on the bridge wings and the wings themselves seem to have been cut down.This is just one ship. I believe you would have to go over each ship you were interested in individually to really get it right. Not an easy task with so much conflicting information.
Sorry for being so long winded yet again Kiyo
Lou
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Here are the pictures I tried to use in the above post but I just could not get them to insert. >>:-(
https://www.navsource.org/archives/12/120906502.jpg
https://www.navsource.org/archives/12/120906501.jpg
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With the credentials of the Vickers 0.5" machine gun as below, I don't really think a swipe as 'rock-throwing' is a fair suggestion
I don't understand how comparing a single shot .303" projectile velocity at best of 840/Ms, to a .5" machine gun at 600 rounds per minute and a velocity of 770 M/s makes any sence
It is understood that the Flower Class weapons package at the commencement of WW11 was below par, however that was the state of the vessels
Simply installing a bigger gun, is not necessarily the answer
BB63 at her last weapons upgrade/refit installed four [4] Phalanx CIWS......[a version of a machine gun] to deal with 'as last chance' defensive armament
Derek
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Hi gents;
I think it may be about the time to take a very short intermission by posting my Snowberry pics ,though passionate exchange of opinions and comments are going on energetically.... %%
The 4"gun mount platform is set with handrails as seen below as per the instruction manuals as usual; O0
It's very interesting for me to assemble this kind of plastic model ship as it goes very smoothly,securely and rapidly to the goal of sailing on the water. :-))
I don't know if the projectiles are OK with this color.... :((
By the way,the gun looks so short like my 1/6 US M4A3 Sherman tank's barrel....38cal/3"barrel...like a howitzer! {-)
WW2 US naval guns seem to have adopted longer 50cal...50cal/3" ...50cal/16"for BB63 ...except 38cal/5" like a Sherman tank...
Merry Christmas to you all of model boaters.!!
Though I'm a Buddhist ... {-) %)
Kiyo
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The 1917 BL 4" MKIX naval gun was a .45 Cal weapon. This would make the barrel 180" long or 2.5" in 1/72 scale.
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Hi all;
The ship has come up here at slow pace though..
The main gun was installed permanently aboard the ship at last.! O0 :-))
The assembly step is just on page17 of whole 45.
I think that one of the merits to assemble this kind of "pla-model"(we Japanese normally call like that) is to be so easy to know or estimate how long the rest of time is required to complete, as referring to the page number. O0 %% :-))
In this sense,my Snowberry will be ready to go on sailing next spring..April??when the water may be getting warmer.. :-))
♪～♬～♩～(^^♪～
Kiyo
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Can I possibly make a suggestion Kiyo?
If you cover the gun pedestal railings with very thin plastic or even thin cloth coated with paint it would look like what they did in many of the real ships and make the railings stronger and less able to get damaged. I used brass railings on my corvette and was glad I did. They held up pretty well over many voyages and trips to the lake.
I really like how your work is progressing.
Lou
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Hi Lou;
I thank you so much for your suggestion and have seen some model ships as done as you suggested to do on the railings.
I quite understand your way is surely far better than mine which method was indicated in the instruction manual.
But I prefer CA to soldering as the later is a bit difficult to do precisely and neatly for me even if the former is weaker than brass.. {:-{ Moreover,once failed to process the soldering,it takes much time to recover on the plastic deck edge that I greatly feared {:-{ :(( ...
I did the following masts and other sensitive assemblies with CA and 2- part epoxy to secure neat and precise results simply because I was not confident to do successfully other than CA and /or the epoxies... {:-{ :(( <:( <:( {-) ;)
Kiyo
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Hi Kiyo
Just a suggestion.
To be honest, I would probably have more problems making a strong build of delicate structures from plastic and CA than brass and solder. I suppose it is just what you are used to working with. Your structures look very nice.
Lou
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Hi all;
My Snowberry has come up with this stage slowly though..we have had a tremendous heavy snow on the coast of the Japan sea..in the latest few days unlike past few years.Many highways have been so jammed with vehicles obliged to stop making in a line of around 2 miles here and there along the coast.. :((
But I am enjoying to assemble my Snowberry as per the instruction manuals faithfully in a warm tiny room only today and will be my missis's servant from tomorrow to help her household works for the New Year's days.... {-) {-) O0 O0 {:-{ {:-{ :o :o
Kiyo
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One point, if its not too late.
The kit instructions has the sides of the wheelhouse the wrong way round. The vertical lines at the rear sides of the wheelhouse are actually sliding doors and these should be at the front of the wheelhouse.
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You then have to ask - how many have been made with the sliding doors in the wrong place :embarrassed:
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We have quite a few in
our Club. Will be doing
quite a bit of bridge door
inspections at the lake in
2022😊
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Now there is something I never knew! I will have to go down to the basement again and check how I did mine 40 years ago! Probably backwards. :((
Did it snow all over the world yesterday? We had 6" in the Seattle area, A friend back east had 4' or more. He is not sure.
Better do a good job for the wife or she may not let you get back to your corvette until NEXT year! <*<
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A camp owner at wanatchee lake who is friends with my son (he worked there two summers) and the wife via facebook shared a perfect christmas picture scene of the snow at the lake. :-)) I will see if she can copy it to my PC and I will share it.
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My wife and I spent a winter weekend at Lake Wenatchee years ago. It was very beautiful but the wind off the lake was COLD!!!!! :o
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Hi Niall;
Thank you for your profound comment on the structures of the corvette,by which I was so surprised as you had known such details of the ship...I understand that RN must have left and kept huge amount of documents concerning warships and war records...unlike our IJN...neraly nothing ... {:-{ :(( <:(
Kiyo
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Hi Netleyned;
Thank you for your comment and I do look forward to your report on "controversial"point of the corvette as well as happy boating pics of the corvettes and other boats as well.
Kiyo
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Hi warspite;
I do look forward to your saying "a perfect Christmas picture scene of the snow at the lake" %% :D ♩～♪～♬～(^^♪
Kiyo
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Hi Lou;
How do you spend the time at a cold lake as the lake Wenatchee in the winter..skiing or RC boating on the beautiful lake? If so, how I envy you. :D
I make it a practise to spend the winter season on RC life like the followings normally ...not now on the snowy places for RC car..
The pics were in Feb,2017.
Kiyo
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Hi Lou;
How do you spend the time at a cold lake as the lake Wenatchee in the winter..skiing or RC boating on the beautiful lake? If so, how I envy you. :D
I used to spend like the followings as usual...not now on the snowy places for RC car..
The pics were in Feb,2017.
Kiyo
This time of year the water at Lake Wenatchee is a little stiff! Much more suitable for your RC car!
No matter how hard I try I cannot get pictures to post on this forum so i will have to send them to you.
Lou >>:-( [size=78%] [/size]
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Lake wanatchee is about half way between Seattle and the famous Coulee Dam, the area near by used to be a major apple growing area, the lake has a YMCA camp on it and is used by the YMCA for children summer camps and week / weekend retreats from Seattle Washington state, at this time of year the snow gets very deep (even deeper at the moment apparently), Here is the picture the wife received from Tim at wanatchee.
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(https://www.marriedtoadventure.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/DSC_6376.jpg)(https://www.marriedtoadventure.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/DSC_6936.jpg)
Here are the pictures I was trying to post still unhappy with the results and effort required.
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Hi warspite;
Really really great picture just like a typical post card....It's stunningly beautiful, and a really"perfect Christmas picture scene"
as you have referred.
My old wife was soooo impressed with this pic and said that she wished to copy it as a photo for her own use,if it is OK
at your side.?! She has ever been to Seattle en route to Canada when she was single.
Kiyo
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Hi all;
As for my Snowberry;
She has come up to this stage ,a little progress as usual..
Kiyo
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One point, if its not too late.
The kit instructions has the sides of the wheelhouse the wrong way round. The vertical lines at the rear sides of the wheelhouse are actually sliding doors and these should be at the front of the wheelhouse.
Just checked my HMS Bluebell, guess what, wrong way round :((
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Hi all;
A little progress was also made for today like these,slowly but securely like a turtle.. {-) O0
I wonder something like a wall just behind the gun platform is a wave shield,wind shield or blast shield against a main gun firing...or it appears to me something so obstructive for the navigators to navigate the ship in addition to many other fittings near by.... {:-{ :(( Moreover,eye level in the wheel house seems so low due to the existence of the gun platform.. {:-{
Kiyo
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Nice progress Kiyo
You must have done a good job on getting the work done for your wife and she let you have extra building time.
Have a good New Year
Lou :}
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Hi Lou;
That's right Lou!
I spent over 6 hours on the day for her household works. Up to the last years,I used to spend 3 days for such works before
New Years eve. {:-{ :(( <:( Our country is generally "Men first"while"Ladies first"here in my home..... :(( {:-{ <:( {-) {-)
I wish you a very happy new year to you and your family. :-))
Kiyo
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Most men state they are the boss - but in private, most would admit the wife is, hence the acronym SWMBO.
I noticed you have not rectified the wheelhouse side walls - are you keeping it the way most of us have built it - to the kit plans or will you be correcting it shortly, its a major undertake for most of us.
As for the picture, I do not know if I can give permission that is not mine to give as its a picture from the YMCA Lake Wanatchee facebook page. (i got permission from tim first, as he is mexico on holiday, he was kind enough to send a message via facebook)
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Hi all;
A little progress was also made for today like these,slowly but securely like a turtle.. {-) O0
I wonder something like a wall just behind the gun platform is a wave shield,wind shield or blast shield against a main gun firing...or it appears to me something so obstructive for the navigators to navigate the ship in addition to many other fittings near by.... {:-{ :(( Moreover,eye level in the wheel house seems so low due to the existence of the gun platform.. {:-{
Kiyo
In a warship the helmsman in the wheelhouse doesn't need to see anything outside, in larger ships they were in a closed armoured citadel for protection. They are given steering instructions from the bridge where the officers are and have good view. Navigation also can be done in a closed space following course details passed down from the bridge to be plotted on the chart.The wall behind the gun platform separates the gun from ready use lockers for the 4inch and the ammunition hoist so is probably blast protection.
Jim
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Hi Lou;
That's right Lou!
I spent over 6 hours on the day for her household works. Up to the last years,I used to spend 3 days for such works before
New Years eve. {:-{ :(( <:( Our country is generally "Men first"while"Ladies first"here in my home..... :(( {:-{ <:( {-) {-)
I wish you a very happy new year to you and your family. :-))
Kiyo
Believe me, it is probably that way all over the world. The woman is master at home no matter what the rest of the culture says outside.
I agree with Jim that full vision from the pilot house windows is not really needed as they mostly con the ship from the bridge above. In ships where they do have visibility from the pilot house the head helmsman in more restricted waters can usually be trusted to maintain a course through the channels until they reach open sea without the officer of the deck having to give constant helm corrections. Probably not something that happened in corvettes. Most of what the helmsman needs to see are located to either side anyway and can easily be seen from either side of the pilot house by standing outside the doors, (If they are located in the right place ;) ) The bridge just has a better view overhead and directly forward. Operating in reverse is also mostly a leap in faith for many ships including corvettes. Even from the higher bridge the view aft leaves something to be desired.
I also agree that the shield behind the gun platform is at least partly a blast shield to help protect items aft. The muzzle blast from a 4" can be considerable. I do not have accounts of blast of a 4", but a 5"/25 as was used on the USS Houston and other American ships was severe enough that it would blow the covering off of the scout aircraft if they were on the launch rails when the guns fired. I would think that the shield would also help break the green water that would often come over the bow as well, and stop it from hitting the pilot house directly.
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Hi Jim and Lou;
A great thanks for your courteous explanations on "the wall" and views from the wheelhouse.
I fully could understand why so many fittings were located just in front of or around the wheelhouse...
However it must be so hard for the captain or other navigators to work on the roof of the wheelhouse in the open air
if under the bad weather or high wave.... {:-{ <:(
Kiyo
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On the River-class frigates, successor to the corvettes the helmsman was given a periscope to see over the forward 4-inch gun... must've been like driving while staring into your rearview mirror.
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However it must be so hard for the captain or other navigators to work on the roof of the wheelhouse in the open air
if under the bad weather or high wave.... {:-{ <:(
Kiyo
That seemed to be the nature of many British warship designs all of the way up to and including battleships. They all seemed to have bridges that were open to the weather. While having an open bridge has it's advantages when dealing with aircraft and such it is not so much fun in cold or rough weather. Both being very common in the North Atlantic. In some ships they could retreat to the pilot house but to be honest I am not sure if this was the case in corvettes.
Lou
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Today, the navies prefer to use the electronic gimickry to see over the bow and around, using the eyeball for confirmation, in those days its like standing on a pier looking out to sea and not having wet glass obscurring your view, its easier to see at distance when the wind and rain are pelting at your face than behind glass.
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Hi Jim and Niall;
It is a bit late to correct the sliding doors to right positions from wrong present kit positions as the relating parts were already put together by CA permanently. {:-{
Kiyo <:(
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Hi all;
A happy New Year and I wish you a healthy and happy life as well as your model ship hobby. :-)) O0
By the way,a little progress for today...
Kiyo
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Hi all;
I have come up to the ASW weapon, hedgehogs as followings...
I suppose that many have noticed something strange about the location of the projector of the weapon...
Yes,the stbd hinged door is not available to open enough to get the crews passed through due to the projector....!!!
See last pic below,a crew was compelled to stop at the door as the door ... <:( {:-{ :(( :o
"Why has the projector been installed such a place !!"as if he said like this.... O0 {-) %%
Kiyo
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HI Kiyo your model is looking good an them hegehogs look spot on but i alway thought the fired side ways from the ship an not foreward if ive got that right that is an i cant do any work on my tiger for a few days as ive had that eye op like you had kiyo so im fed up an bored stiff just as well i can look at all you guys builds an a very happy new year to you sir also
chris
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Hi Chris
You can be certain that the Hedge Hogs fired over the bow, not to the side. The idea was that they could be fired while the sub was still in contact by the sonar in front of the ship. As the ship passes over the sub, the target goes into a dead zone where the ship cannot detect it. The sub captains knew this and would almost always make a last minute change in direction, speed, depth, or all three when they entered this zone in a effort to make the depth charge attack less effective. In addition the Hedge Hogs did not explode unless they actually hit the sub so the water was not disturbed by the huge multiple depth charges going off and sonar contact could usually be regained much quicker after the pass.
Kiyo
Your Hedge hog rack is looking fantastic. If you look a pictures of the real ships you will see a couple of things. First of all, the blast wall were were talking about before did not extend in front of the hedgehogs allowing the rack to be placed a little further forward. This of course would allow a little more room aft even though it still looks like the space behind the hedgehogs was still fairly constrained. Again from looking at the pictures it looks like you may be placing the hedgehog rack a little too far inboard toward the centerline. If you look at this link and pause the picture you can see that the hedgehog system had a much clearer field of fire than on your model. I also see no evidence of the small davit that is standing next to your rack and limiting how far outboard it can be placed.
https://youtu.be/NSk4ikhNUzg?t=271 (https://youtu.be/NSk4ikhNUzg?t=271)
Sorry I have still not figured out how to insert pictures along with the text on this forum and am somewhat tired of trying to figure it out. Hope that is clear enough to understand with the verbal description.
Lou
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HI Lou many thanks for your reply on them hedgehogs as ive never seen them in action only depth charges an i dint know that the hedgehogs dint exsplode unless they hit the sub something eles ive learnt today
cheers
chris :-))
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Hi Chris;
Thank you for your comment.
It's a wonderful decision that you had already an eye operation to recover the vision like I did about 13 months ago.
I suppose your vision may get much better drastically just after the operation,from my experience of both eyes. :-))
My wife, nearly the same age as you,is supposed to have the operation in coming March with both eyes in two weeks.
Actual time of 5 minutes operation and ￥15000（USD13)to each eye have brought me a very light and clear vision in my case. :-))
Kiyo
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Hedgehogs were essentially water based mortars, designed to land in the water in an eliptical pattern.
The kits version seems bigger than the actual ones - according to the Agassiz book, they were up against the back of the blast sheild with room to get behind them to adjust the angle, the blast plate was also different, a single plate say 20mm thick angled to the back of the 6th row and 2 angle iron braces to the box.
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Hi gents;
Thank you for your comments on the hedgehog system.
I have understood the adequate location of the rack/projector aboard the Snowberry.
So far as your information is correct,kit instructions of Revell are very rude..aren't they.
Yes, Revell is this level ..??? {-) {-) %% {:-{ :(( <*< <:(
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I was also wondering if anyone else thought that the kit supplied hedgehog rack was possibly out of scale. It would not be the first part of the kit that would be either out of scale or very crude in design. I would love to have the funds to build another, or rebuild my old Matchbox Corvette using the PE set from David J. Parkins Great
Little Ships. But down that road is the edge of financial ruin! :((
I think people may have forgotten that this kit has been around for 30 years now and there is a lot of after market available to improve it. By the same token there is little or no evidence that Revell has done much of anything to improve on the original Matchbox kit molds or instructions.
Your cost for eye surgery is amazing Kiyo. $130 for each eye is an impossibility here in the US. The cost of Lasik surgery here in the US starts at $500 and can be as high as 2000+, PER EYE! $1000 seems to be quite common. Also most insurance companies here do not cover the procedure even for older people!
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Hi Lou;
I had a surgery for a cataract about a year,which is a bit different from Lasic.
That is why the cost is so amazing for you,as 20% of all cost incurred in this surgery was charged at me, while the rest covered by the government insurance.
Kiyo
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Hi all;
My Snowberry designed by Revell/Matchbox seems to intend for skinny crews.!!!! O0 O0 {-) {:-{ >>:-( >:-o
1;Narrow to pass as per the instructions... {:-{ The skinny like the twiggy may be able to pass here aboard this corvette.!!
2/3;could pass the door to the deck,but again narrow to move ahead... {:-{
4;If the rack of the hedgehogs be placed along the edge of the hull,some hedgehogs may hit the davit securely.!! >>:-(
5/6/7;Finally ,this location as per the instructions seems BETTER though crews are unable to pass the door.... :(( <*<
Instead,the corvette will never lead herself to make a suicide by her own goal of hedgehogs... {-) O0 :((
Kiyo
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From the pictures of sackvilles rack, it appeared to be partly past the sheild to the left, but up against it in the book, I was surprised I could not get any images that showed it more clearly, the kit version seems to be enormous.
I just went looking for the photo of 166 and when I tried opening it it took me to a walk around of sackville on youtube, at about 6:44 into it lo and behold the hedgehog rack, the sheild had been cut back and it placed further forward, no davit to the right or in the centre of the sheild, but there was one on the gun platform, there was door to the end of the wheelhouse platform either, all seems to be open.
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I went looking and also found a number of pictures of the Sackville including the wheelhouse door and hedgehog system. I also noticed the lack of the starboard davit and suspect that on the ships in WWII they just stowed it until needed after the hedgehog weapons were installed.
I do think that the restoration of the Sackville is a "work in progress" though. In many of the pictures I have looked at over the last few days, it appears that in some if them there are fewer items in place and in later or other pictures they are installed. Virtually all of her wartime equipment was removed when she became a research vessel and have either need to be made again or located when it was decided to restore her to her WWII looks. I suspect that this will be going on for quite a few more years as money and time permit.
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Interesting with the hedgehog, if I recall correctly some earlier versions had smaller hedgehogs fixed to each side of the gun shield albeit as previously referenced they would only fire them forwards.
I had not seen this later development as this gives many more bomblets to hit a target so would have been a better weapon system.
Cheers
Geoff
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The small alternatives to the Hedgehog were the Mousetraps. Same principle i.e.they worked on impact.
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Hello Geoff
I could be wrong but I think the system you reference, mounted on the sides of the turret, were not hedgehogs but star shell or flair launchers. They would fire one or two flairs at a time into the air down range in the same direction as the main gun was pointing. This hopefully illuminated the sub down range and made it easier to hit. You see them mounted on many small escorts including corvettes.
Tony
Yes the Mousetrap was almost the same as the hedgehog but used rockets to launch instead of the motor system used by the Hedgehog. No recoil in that so it could be mounted on much smaller ships. The Hedgehog system produced a 40 ton force down onto the ships deck when fired. Look up "Woofus" to see another use of the Mousetrap rocket.
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Hi Lou,
Yup, it's my fault for not reading Geoff's post fully. Mousetraps on the brain from my current build!
There was, however, a variation on the standard Hedgehog. This is from Navweaps "The standard "box" mounting contained 24 projectiles arranged in six rows of four projectiles. A variation was "Split Hedgehog" which was used in some sloops and other small ships where it was necessary to retain the forward gun. These mountings held 12 projectiles each and one was placed on each beam, near the bridge. These were coupled together, initially with wire ropes, later by hydraulic jacks. About 35 ships were so fitted between 1942 and 1943."
Tony
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Thanks Tony
I don't think I have ever read anything about "split hedgehog" systems. I have read about split "Squid" launchers which were able to be aimed, but they fired a form of depth charge that was set to explode at a certain depth rather than a contact denotator. Some larger, especially US escorts, also had dual standard hedgehog launchers set to fire to each side of the bow so they increased that chance of a hit with two patterns of 48 mortar's covering twice the area rather than one. Looks like I need to do some research and reading.
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I got a decisive pic of Snowberry on the location of hedgehog.
I may follow these pic for the time being...
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My compromising plan of the hedgehog rack is like this following the previous pics of real Snowberry one.
The door will be openable to get a crew pass through while the deck edge will allow a narrow space for a crew to pass through as in a pic. And projectile will never hit the boat davit any more.
By this layout,contradiction around the hedgehog rack location seems to have been solved to the level of my compromise to some extent..... O0 {-) {:-{ :-)) Everything perfect is unable to be expected for this kit.
But it's OK since I fundamentally intend and expect her to be a good running model rather than a display model. :-)) {-) %%
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Outstanding Kiyo
I knew you would work it out in a way you liked. There is a chance that no two corvettes were exactly alike anyway.
Lou
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And the blast sheild on the snowberry looks to have been cut back to allow space
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I also cut it out, but it's precisely as per the kit instructions that is rather smaller than a pic of the real ship. {:-{ %)
By the way,I am building two Oerlikon 20mm single gun mounts as below.
I added some minor modifications to the guns as I did not compromise the appearance even if I did not intend to pay
much attention to the authenticity or details.
1; kit version gun mount(gun shield to be followed later also with some modification)
2-6;My compromisable result....the rest will be shield and....
The guns are able to only traverse.
Anyhow,kit version is so coarse !!Even I am unable to bear that ugly profile at all.!! <:( <*< >:-o
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Very nice improvement Kiyo
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When I built mine many years ago I ended up getting 2 Airfix Air Sea Rescue launch kits to get a decent pair of Oerlikons and Vickers machine guns.
Jim
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Now days that kit is probably harder and possibly more expensive than finding a new corvette. <:(
Another possibly slightly less expensive route could be: [size=78%]https://www.shapeways.com/product/AXLDY3Q6Y/1-72-usn-oerlikon-20-mm-single (https://www.shapeways.com/product/AXLDY3Q6Y/1-72-usn-oerlikon-20-mm-single)[/size]
or: [size=78%]https://micromaster.co.nz/products/1-72-royal-navy-20mm-oerlikon-mkviia-gun-45%C2%BA-elevation (https://micromaster.co.nz/products/1-72-royal-navy-20mm-oerlikon-mkviia-gun-45%C2%BA-elevation)[/size]
My personal choice would be Micro Master. I have bought products from them before and their detail is beyond compare. They also make a number of other parts that would super detail the 1/72 corvette, along with pretty much emptying the hobby funds and possibly risking any relationships you may have!
[size=78%]https://micromaster.co.nz/search?type=product%2C&q=1%2F72 (https://micromaster.co.nz/search?type=product%2C&q=1%2F72)[/size] <*< I have caused enough damage here for now, I will go back into my corner and hide now. :-X [size=78%] [/size]
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Hi all;
These are the Oerlikon 20mm single gun mounts designed and produced by Kiyo especially for my Revell Snowberry. {-) {-) {-) :embarrassed: :embarrassed: When building these guns,I did not mind of the real Oerlikon gun so much. {-) {-) %% :-))
I just wanted to make far better guns than the kit designed guns. {-) {-)
1;Revell designed gun
2/3;I built my Oerlikon guns
4/5/6/7;My Oerlikon guns completed like these that have me satisfied to a certain extent for installing aboard my Snowberry.
Kiyo
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Much improved over what comes out of the box. Nice work Kiyo!
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Hi Lou,
A great thanks for your compliment on my designed Oerlikon 20mm single gun mount for my Snowberry.! %%
It'll be fine tomorrow around my local lake so that I am preparing for going to sail my 1m semi-scale cruiser boat Jupiter F-99
that has been refitted with a 150A ESC for better run on the lake. :D :embarrassed:
According to the weather forecast,it'll be 1m/s north wind which is the best for all RC boats and ships to sail.
Especially the best for the scale ships,as you know, mirror-like surface of the lake does never look realistic when sailing
though safe and stable to do....
1/3;This day must be 1-2m/s wind and wave looks comparatively realistic for me.
2;So calm on the surface....not so good for me
Kiyo
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On my corvette I replaced the 20mm guns with a 1/35th scale 0.5" machine guns from a couple of tamiya jeeps - so even more out of scale, the rear bofors is a standard Airfix converted kit with crew, though the correct scale, they are desert clothes aboard a vessel where the rest of the crew are in heavy cold wet weather coats
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That is interesting.
I also was able to get out and run my boat today for the first time in two months. It ran OK but I am still not completely happy with it. It was cold but still had a good time. Your carrier looks very impressive Kiyo.
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Hi Lou;
It's so nice of you to have had a time to run your model first in two months and would eagerly like to see the model running on the water,if possible. O0 ;) warship?..fast boat...tug...working vessel..or any other else..?
By the way,I posted my outdoor activity for today in "Model boating" above like these.
Kiyo
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I finally managed to get some photo's of my corvette - and I just realised I didn't check the wheelhouse - doh
Anyway - it's not been cleaned for a couple of years so is quite grubby,
First up the hedgehog, though it appears to be a 12 unit. Yours has 24 pockets and mortars mine had the 12 pockets and mortars though if I look in my spares box there could be another 12, but I wouldn't count on it.
Next the 4" and then the upper machine gun that will need replacing.
The bofors and the crew trying to reset the depth charges.
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Hi warspite;
Thank you so much for your pics of the corvette,that are interesting to see for my build.
Is this 1/72 Matchbox-made Flower class corvette with 12 projectiles of Hedgehog system initially..??
And I wonder why you have not kept such a nice model in better conditions for a long time ? {:-{
In my case..as follows..
Kiyo
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Interesting warspite, in that your Enlisted Sailors are wearing Tin Hats during battle, however the Commissioned Officers appear to be simply weaing their Dress Caps {-)
Kiyo........one thing not mentioned here is this vessel could have been on Duty & hit by sand storm in the bottom quarter of the Mediterranian .....[just by those South Easterly dusty regions under Rommels occupation...just out from the Date Palms] O0
Derek
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Hi Derek;
Oh,I have perfectly understood why warspite's corvette looked so realistically !!
Thanks for your reasonable, persuasive and broad-minded ? comment. O0
Kiyo
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Sorry Kiyo no pictures. One of the other people did take pictures of my boat but I did not. Even if I had taken pictures, I have not been able to post any pictures on this forum no matter how hard I try. They show up when I write the reply but when I post they are gone! >>:-( This happens again and again until I am too mad to try again.
There is not really too much to see anyway as the boat I am working on right now is the Horizon Hobby Pro Boat 30, [size=78%]https://www.horizonhobby.com/product/horizon-harbor-30-inch-tug-boat--rtr/PRB08036.html (https://www.horizonhobby.com/product/horizon-harbor-30-inch-tug-boat--rtr/PRB08036.html)[/size] And right now it looks the same on the outside as it did coming out of the box. Inside I have changed the prop to a better size 4 blade. added ballast to the back so that it makes the prop run deep enough under water so it will not pull air, especially in reverse. Changed the motor to a brushless motor and I am using a much better radio. I changed the position of the prop deeper into the nozzle and increased the throw to the left and right. This helps make it turn tighter and run better.
Now that I have run it I will be changing the motor again to a SunnySky X2820 V3 500Kv brushless motor. The motor I ran this weekend was a 750Kv motor and was very powerful at top speed and I could do OK at slow speed without over controlling and bumping into things when I did not want to. I am thinking that the 500Kv motor will do even better at slow speed and still give a good power at top speed. If it does not then I will change it back. When I get it running like I like then I will start doing things to the outside making it an even better looking boat. By that time maybe I will have learned how to post pictures. {:-{ [size=78%] [/size]
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Derek
I have not looked but my corvette probably looks much the same as yours after years of being stored in the basement. One thing I did do a number of years ago when moving from my old house to my present house was before I put it back on the shelf for storage i took all of the radio and electronics out and sunk the ship in my bath tub. I then used a paint brush like a mop and swept all of the dirt and dust off and then rinsed it off. It looked almost new when I put it back onto the shelf. Except for the three or four years of wear from running it before I retired it. I am almost sure that it would not be all that hard to get her back into running condition, and with all of the aftermarket available today for the 1/72 corvette improve her looks as well.
Lou
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imagna.......if you wish, check my Profile detail from the lefthand side of this message........you will see my landline e-mail address
Post your images to me & I'll resize & re-post them here in your name in this thread
This will suffice until you get a grip & solve your direct posting issue :embarrassed:
Derek
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Hi Lou,
Mine is Aquacraft tug...30 inch.
Kiyo
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When thats what they supplied in the kit thats what you have to use, though they do seem a little relaxed - could be they are either trying to get a sub or target practicing and are just coming to the end of the session (a couple are from an old vosper kit)
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Thank you for the offer Derek. Right now I have no pictures of her in the water anyway. I suppose I could take a picture and use it but the only outside change over the factory build so far is the prop and my wife's name. Even though it is a very good model of the Toucher O. Wulf 8 in Germany I decided that I would change some of the colors and name her the Laurel Ann after my wife, as it was a Christmas present from her and my first RC boat in almost 30 years. I have no idea why I am Having so much trouble with pictures here. I have no problems at all on the other forum I visit with personal or internet pictures.
I have seen your model of the Atlantic here before Kiyo and you did a very nice job on her. We have one or two people who have used that hull for their boats in the club but chose to build different superstructures on them. In fact one of them was there on Saturday and the owner wanted to race me as our tugs are pretty much the same size. It looked like he was faster at first but after a long time it showed that I was just barely faster. I am almost certain that he will want to race again next month when I have the 800Kv motor installed. Tug boat racing is something he has always liked to do. We may also end up also doing a tug-of-war to see which tug pulls harder. I am looking forward to working the tug with a barge or large ship in pushing or towing.
Lou
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Hi Lou,
It is entirely so good that you also had a very happy time with your members of the club like doing a boat race by tugs that sounded so interesting to me. {-) O0
By the way,my Jupiter F-99(however,re-named "Neptune" now at stern)once was named "Hiroko" after my wife about
43 years go when we got married. {-) {-) %%
1;Before restoration many years ago
2;re-named as "Neptune"on an adventure sailing day in mid winter.
Kiyo
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Well then,I have to get back to the initial subject of this thread...
The Snowberry has come up to this stage to set a roof deck on the wheelhouse which is illustrated in page 22 of whole 45.
Nearly half of the whole pages has been over today at any rate. %% ♬～♩～♬～♫～♪～(^^♪
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I did not meet my wife until I was older so we have only been married 39 years. I like the name [size=0px]Hiroko for a name on a cabin cruiser. I do not think I would not have changed it after all these years.[/size]
[size=0px]Tug boat racing is something that we do now and then along with tug pulling tests. Kind of like kids at a beach showing off their muscles![/size] 8) We have several tugs and many members also practice pulling or pushing larger ships or barges for recreation as well.
The same guy that I raced also brought a small logging tug for the first time. He put it into the water and it almost instantly tipped sideways and was not able to run. Another boater and I were able to get there fast and were starting to push it in with our tugs when enough water came in and it sank. The water was about 7' (2.13m) Deep. After a while he was able to grab the boat and pull it along the bottom until he could get it out of the water. I am certain he will run it in the monthly news letter in a week or two, and I will post the link so that you can read about it.
In Seattle each year the real tugs have a race across the bay as well and the crews really try to be the fastest. [size=78%]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Tj4xvAp_8I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Tj4xvAp_8I)[/size] One year several years ago I was able to be on board one of the tugs during the races it was very exciding.
Half way through the instructions it must be all down hill from here! :}
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Hi Lou;
I did not know the tug boat race at all until I have seen the video.
It is surely powerful enough for the boats to push the water like bulldozers...impressive race ..
I wonder if such race would have been held even in Japan so far regularly..???
Kiyo
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Hi Lou;
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I wonder if such race would have been held even in Japan so far regularly..???
Kiyo
It looks like they do it in Detroit as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GyX8NVxZOA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GyX8NVxZOA)
And New York https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Tugboat_Race (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Tugboat_Race)
It appears that Americans will race anything! :} They still hold paddleboat/riverboat races on the Mississippi I believe.
I believe they could hold tugboat races anywhere they have tugs, even Japan. Maybe they do but you just don't know about it.
Lou
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Yes, indeed,I have ever felt that the Americans in general are comparatively fond of race in any respects.
Or all competitive humankind himself including Asians too..? {-) {-)
By the way,building a plastic model is so pleasant to do in a warm room in winter.
My Snowberry has made a tiny progress as follows today slowly and securely as always... O0 %)
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Nice to see the bridge coming together. Your modified 20mm guns look right at home.
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I am also right at home whenever I am in my room of dream. {-) {-)
Here you see below is what you call "big MO" at 1/190 --192? built from the Sterling models about 35 years ago.
Model length is about 56.7 inches.
She does need some restoration for sailing...though... {-)
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This Flower Class thread is certainly gaining breadth Kiyo %) ....& as long as you say " built from the Sterling models about 35 years ago"......
Well I toured BB63, the real Mighty Mo when she was in active Commission, 1987 in Sydney....'about 35 years ago O0
Derek
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Hi Derek;
I have also ever been to her anchored as memorial battleship in Oahu,Hawaii many years ago and felt that it was so looong.
Actual length is 270m(longer than IJN Yamato 263m) and looked graceful and slender like a heavy cruiser contrary to Yamato.
The pic below was taken in 2016 year trip to Hawaii on the roof of Pearlridge shopping center.. if I should remember correctly.
Well,I have to go to bed now for working tomorrow.
Good night.!
Kiyo
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My trip to the Missouri was when she was in mothballs here in Washington prior to being towed to Hawaii. They only had a small area open to the public back in those days but what we did get to see was still impressive. You are right in a number of ways Kiyo. In many ways the New Jersey class battleships were more cruiser than battleships but still VERY strong. Did you guys get a chance to look at the place on the Starboard side of the hull where she was hit by a Kamikaze in the battle of Okinawa? They never bothered to even make repairs to the hull there was so little damage, just painting the place over. If you know where to look you can still see the place today. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0pGhHq6OqE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0pGhHq6OqE)
I think I am even more impressed with your building of the Sterling kit. Like many older kits it is not easy to make it look so detailed and scale. In fact it is a challenge to even finish the kit. There is one being built by a person in Idaho on the other boating forum I look at. I do not think he intends to RC his though.
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Yes,for sure,it took a tremendously long time to complete her like a Hachette Bismark 1/200.
Construction of the hull was so similar to the Hachette Bismark.
Very slender and streamlined hull...by which she could run at 33 knots max.!!?? like a heavy cruiser !!
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In 1968, during a shakedown cruise, the Iowa-class USS New Jersey achieved a top speed of 35.2 knots (65.2 km/h) which it sustained for six hours. As part of a brutal test of the ship’s engines, the captain then ordered the ship to go instantly from “all ahead flank” to “all back emergency”. New Jersey took some two miles to come to a stop.
The SS Unites States that was equipped with the same engines and boilers was able to go 43 kts on her trials, so it is possible that the Iowa class was able to go faster but the top speed was classified. 35.2 is considered the record for battleships.
In addition to their speed another advantage to the hull design was that they could turn in a tighter circle than a cruiser inspite their length! They were very formidable ships.
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Hi all;
Well then,shall I get back to my initial theme of my Snowberry again apart from the pleasant talks about Big MO as
a little progress was made as per page 24 of whole 45 of the instruction manuals.
My modified Oerlikon20mm single gun mounts were set at last permanently on the roof deck.!!♪～♬～♫～(^^♪ O0
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!!♪～♬～♫～(^^♪
Looking nice
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Hi Lou;
Thanks for your comment.
By the way,do you know what a small chamber is on the roof, though I don't know at all. ? Chart room or/and observation room,warming up room?
Kiyo
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By the way,do you know what a small chamber is on the roof, though I don't know at all. ? Chart room or/and observation room,warming up room?
Kiyo
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It is the Asdic or sonar room. I believe the radar operator is also in there The radio room appears to have been located in the back corner of the wheelhouse below, along with the chart table and a bunk for the captain while at sea. Not much privacy on this ship while at sea.
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Hi Lou;
Thanks for your information.
Kiyo
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Hi all;
A little progress for today is very little as usual.! {-)
The page 25 of whole 45 is done with this step.
Many fittings were set on and around the roof deck as per the instruction manuals. O0
Two voice tubes were deliberately hollowed out not to break.
General progress seems going so and so for the past days since last October.
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Hi all;
My Snowberry has reached the half of page 27 of whole 45 today with the assemblies of the Radome completed as per the kit instruction manuals.
By this completion,the bridge is also becomes complete at this stage.
So,from tomorrow, the construction will get into the mid-ship of the hull. It's already 2.5 months since resuming this build.
I never say that I have been on the go with this build so far,the rest work seems comparatively easy for me... %% {-)
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Looking nice Kiyo
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Wow...a small Sun Tan room with glass windows to provide ocean views while frying {-) ...................Derek :-X
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Hi Lou and Derek:
Thank you so much for your comments.
This corvette is certainly so refined as to equip a sun tan room for the crews trying to keep their good health aboard the ship
during spare time apart from convoy missions.!! This is the best feature of the Flower class corvettes..??? :-)) :-)) {-) O0
Kiyo
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Hi all;
Before getting into building mid-ship,I have to build in the smoking system around the mid-ship structure previously.
Unless I do it in advance,I thought it would be troublesome to do while assembling the each part in parallel...
So I set it up into the mid-ship this time successfully.! :-))
1;Drilled the holes
2;Smoking pipe was set
3;Smoking pipe was connected with silicone tube to get flexibility for installing and detaching the deck structure when changing the batteries
4/5;Let's go testing the smoking ...!!! Oh,No!! This looks just like a chimney under no wind.! This is a funnel and the smoke never goes up straight.!! >>:-( >:-o {:-{
6;I made a smoke spreader
7;And built it in the funnel
8/9;And again tested....That's OK for me this time with this level. %% :-))
If not good on the water,I will add another smoke spreader.!! O0
10;This spreader was found to be effective to get the smoke spread this time... %%
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Quite a difference. I have never installed a smoke system so I certainly learned something. Thanks for showing us how it is done.
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oops, gohho gohho gehho too smoky in the room! But at least this level of volume is required when viewing the smoke from the shore. :-))
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Looks great :-))
Your Smoke Spreader certainly dose the job!! :-)) :-))
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He is right. That much smoke will look very nice. I do wish that these smoke units would make black smoke though.
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Unless they are deliberatly producing smoke for a smoke screen, any smoke being produced would have the chief engineer having a non polite interview with the captain. Funnel smoke in a convoy was a bad thing as it would help its detection.
Jim
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Yes with the exception of sudden changes in speed which happened with the escorts all of the time. Not great billowing clouds of smoke, (Unless they were laying a screen) but still smoke when the fires were stoked with extra oil to build up the needed head of steam. With steam engines nothing happens immediately.
But in any event it is fun to see in the case of many RC ships.
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On another side note:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1355264957433188354
By the looks of it, this was made as number of years ago. She is much more advanced in her restoration now.
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Hello Kiyo
You were asking what the cabin at the front of the bridge was the other day. Here is a picture, (If I can get it to work):
https://mobile.twitter.com/LeBrunJames81/status/1282660521582395393/photo/1 (https://mobile.twitter.com/LeBrunJames81/status/1282660521582395393/photo/1)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eczs8ftWoAA4Kr5?format=jpg&name=small)
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Hi Dreadnought and Jim G;
Thank you for your comments. :-))
Hi Lou;
Thank you for the information on a small room of the bridge.
As you had mentioned,it was ASW room.
But I have been thinking that this sort of room might have been set in much lower deck of the hull that would have made it easier to detect the sub sound rather than on high deck.... :((
Kiyo
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Deck level makes no difference, as sound transmitted electronicaly, so could be anywhere really, as can be seen in Cruel Sea, it was on same level as bridge
Bob
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Hi Bob;
Thank you for your teaching me the sub detection.
Kiyo
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Hi all;
I made another smoke spreader to make more realistic smoke generation as seen in the pics below..
The mesh is a bit finer that is to be set upper in a funnel than first coarse-meshed one to expect broader smoking.
But smoke color is not black.... <:(
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But I have been thinking that this sort of room might have been set in much lower deck of the hull that would have made it easier to detect the sub sound rather than on high deck.... :((
The actual sonar/Asdic sound head was located at the bottom of the hull under the 4" gun. The original ones were fixed but later they could be turned, but none on corvettes were retractable. The small room at the front of the bridge was a kind of early CIC where ASDIC, Radar, and radio direction finding information were combined and instantly available to the Captain. An idea possibly a little ahead of it's time, especially on British ships.
Here is what the sensor head looked like and where it was located at the bottom of the hull. (The openings have been plated over on the HMCS Sackville.) The other opening was for the depth finder.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EMZDSUIWwAETi5G?format=jpg&name=360x360)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsBCEr0XcAIAtTE?format=jpg&name=medium)
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Hi Lou;
Thank you so much for your additional information on the small room of the bridge in detail.
As you said,this room was truly a kind of so called CIC in this corvette.
But this location being at the front of the bridge seems so vulnerable as to be easily, possibly and seriously destroyed or at least damaged largely even by Cal.50 bullets unless protected.... {:-{
Kiyo
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But this location being at the front of the bridge seems so vulnerable as to be easily, possibly and seriously destroyed or at least damaged largely even by Cal.50 bullets unless protected.... {:-{
Kiyo
I suppose that is true as I see no indication that it was protected in any way, even with splinter mats. But then corvettes were not really known for getting into running gun battles with Uboats or anything else for that matter. Their preferred method of dealing with Uboats on the surface was to ram them. This happened on a number of occasions with the Uboat always loosing I believe.
I have seen photos of one incidence where the entire structure was ripped off in rough seas, I assume with the loss of everyone inside! <:( But then there is a possibility that the room was not fully manned at that time as in weather that rough ASDIC is pretty useless. Luckily, while we may run our corvettes in weather like that, we won't really run the risk of loosing crew members. :-))
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Hi all;
I am too poor to buy a true lathe and have not encountered the chances to use such nice machine so far. Instead,this time
I "made" temporarily a home-made "vertical lathe" to make a metal main mast for the Snowberry . {-) %% :embarrassed: %) :-))
As the kit -furnished main mast seems so flexible and weak, which is not suitable when setting the rigging work on.....
By this drilling machine modified "lathe",I could have succeeded in making a tapered mast part,though not so good.. {-) ;D
However,it must be better to file the copper rod with this machine rather than doing with only manual work..at least .. O0 %%
1;Test filing ,to begin with, to check if the "lathe" should work properly...at low revolution. Seems OK! :-))
2;Even this humble jig did its job.! {-)
3;Under filing
4;Almost done. The rest will be sanding.!
5;The result is so and so for me as usual.
6;The rest will be sanding and making a final shape as in the kit.
7;Thank you for your cooperation with me and see you if you are required for my model making.!
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Hi all;
I added another smoke spreader to make more realistic smoking which I think OK with this level.
Smoking looks to thick on the table test,but on the water it does not look so much with some reasons as you can see
in the attached video of my HMS Fencer experience.
That's why I adopted double smoke spreader in the funnel to broaden the smoking. :-))
1;From the top view
2;From the bottom view
3/4;The effect of the double smoke spreader...moku moku moku
5/6;Smoking test of HMS Fencer on a table test. looked too thick though..
7/8;Coud be seen like these...Unless smoking is visible,meaningless... {:-{
Following video will show you actually how the smoking looked on the water..which were sooo zoooomed up.. {-) %%
HMS Fencer 1/96 under trial run on June 26 after launched. - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RVWwrx3GHg)
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Looks like you have made a very nice mast Kiyo
Years ago I had to do the same thing and i do not own a lathe either. I made mine by fitting smaller and smaller sections of brass tubing inside each section and soldering them into place for the right length and thickness. It has held up well over the years.
Your carrier seems to have just the right amount of smoke coming from the stack.
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Hi Lou;
I have studied some kind of skill to finely file the soft metal rod to form a far better taper than by a manual work
ever done. {-) :-))
Kiyo
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If you have a lathe it is or course easier but you can use an ordinary drill mounted on its side and put a brass rod in the chuck. Either way to stop the piece bending I constructed a piece of wood with a square groove about half the diameter of the rod which supports the rod on its side for most of its length. You then use a file to file the taper on the piece - this works well. You then turn the piece round and do the other end. Its surprisingly easy to get a good match.
If making davits you can leave a lump at the narrow end then file it flat and drill through for the end fitting, and/or anneal it and flatten it out and bend to shape.
This process works well with all metals
Cheers
Geoff
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Hi Geoff;
Thanks for your useful comment on making tapered rod.
I wish to try in your way in case it should require to make such a tapered rod.
Kiyo
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Hi all;
A little progress as per the kit instructions for today.
With this work,I have passed through page 29 of whole 45 pages of the kit instruction manuals. O0
And nearly 3 months have passed since resuming this build.
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To help it look more like a working ship you can turn the cowl vents so they don't face forwards. They would be turned to face the direction the wind was coming from to improve the ventilation to the boiler room.
Jim
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Hi Jim G;
Thank you for your advice.
Frankly speaking,I am ashamed to say that I did not know the cowl vents could be movable to the directions of wind.!! :embarrassed: :o {-) <:( But I wonder how...that large structures..?
Kiyo
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Kiyo......these cowlings vents have a hobbed rack gear ring & rotation handle [the model shows this as just a ring] so when the wind was blowing from a certain direction, the MEO [Marine Engineering Officer] would direct the ventilator cowlings be turned and set to face the nominated direction of the prevailing wind to catch whatever volume of air was required/desired for optimal boiler combustion
A few of the Engineering Ratings gathered on the upper boiler deck casing, and adjusted/rotated the vertical tube so the bell mouth faced the directed position....[your image from January the 24th, show this]
So this is the purpose on Flower Class vessels with an early 3 cylinder triple expansion engine. The ventilators on later or newer design vessels went on to have forced draft boiler fans, so the ventilators added the ability to provide an engine room with a positive atmosphere.......but lets not go there as the Flower Class * edit did not have this design facility
Derek
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Hi Derek;
Thanks a lot for your kind and detailed explanation of the cowl ventilation system.
Attached pic is so informative on this cowl vents.
But all of the pics of cowl vents I saw so far regardless of ships kinds were facing forward,by which I understood the cowl vents had been fixed on the decks.
So I thought the air taken into the hull via cowl vents was dependant upon entirely by the speed of the ship.... {-) %% :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed: {-) {-) {-)
Thanks,Derek!
Kiyo
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Kiyo..........
1. Engine Room Space............one of the interesting points is that pairs [stdb or port] of cowling vents can be turned to face the wind, then the opposite side pair face away at 180 degrees from the wind.....then the wind creates a venturi effect and draws hotter air from the *edit engine room space
2. Boiler Room Space..............the general process outlined above does not generally apply as a common use
3. Pressurized Engine Rooms ..the same process applies as from 1. above and the engine room air pressure can be raised by a few PSI.......this doesn't sound a lot, however is sufficient to assist or direct the elements of an exploding charge <<<< <*< outward <*< >>>> from the PER
Again, to my knowledge, the Flower Class vessels [irrespective of progressive refit/upgrade] did not use a PER
Derek
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Hi Derek;
I am again surprised to know that you have lots of knowledge about the inside structures of hull of a real ship,
as if you were once a sailor man or ship designer !! :o :-)) :D
Thanks
Kiyo
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Kiyo........possibly the best explanation is having the fortunate, or unfortunate experience of more than 2/3 of a working lifetime directly involved with marine engineering & ships.......from 150,000 tonne Ore Carriers to 5,000 tonne Naval Frigates....[and everything in between]
Essentially shore based, however study, with the occasional trip outside provided the privilege in attaining a little marine engineering knowledge .
The good point is that I do not suffer from any form of motion sickness. :o
Derek
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Thank you for the added information Derek
Interesting to note that the positive air system supplied by the cowlings being turned into the airflow was not considered a forced draft system even though it did, or was capable of supplying a positive air pressure to the engineering spaces and therefore the boiler fireboxes. Airflow over the fires was also affected by the height and shape of the funnel on ships of this type.
It was also good of you to explain that the goose neck funnels could also be turned in a manner that allowed air to be channeled through the engine spaces so that in hotter climates or conditions the hot air could be drawn off and the engineering spaces could also be kept cooler.
I do not remember ever reading anything about corvettes being good cold or warm weather ships. Some warships are very poor warm weather ships, even to the point of crewmen preferring to sleep on deck rather than below. Happened a lot on US ships in the South Pacific.
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......Imagna notes....Some warships are very poor warm weather ships .....this was all too true
Priot to 1955, our Politicians purchased two 'ex Magestic Class' Aircraft Carriers from Britian.....[surplus to their needs, so thought to be an excellent purchase for OZ >:-o ]
They were commissioned into the RAN as HMAS Sydney and HMAS Melbourne.......
Designed for the frigid North Atlantic and without any form of airconditioning were simply hot box's for our work in the Indo-Pacific
My text was poorly written with respect to the boilers for the Flower Class, as the boiler/s air was certainly fan assisted [forced draft] however Boiler spaces were separated and sealed from Engine spaces, so to create a PER, the simple design established to increase air pressures in the Engine spaces is to restrict exhausting air. I do not believe the Flower Class included a pressured engine room
We see another Flower Class image here with 2 Boiler Room ventilators 'each' facing inboard, then a ventilator, aft & over the engine room with the ventilator facing to Port and all six Engine Room Skylights open to atmosphere to exhaust hotter air. This simple point reinforces that the Flower Class did not include PER
Derek
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Hi all;
Both gents are exchanging serious discussion on the ventilation system, which is a bit difficult for me to participate in
as it is so special on the subject.! O0 %) :o
By the way and instead,I post a little progress for today as follows;
1/2/3/4/;These are not as per the instructions..
5/6/7;As per the kit instructions
8/9/10;As per the kit instructions
With the above assemblies,page 30 is almost complete.!! ;) :D
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Very nice work Kiyo. Sorry about the discussion about the vents.
Lou
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Hi Lou;
Please don't worry about that at all,so far as the contents are concerned with the Flower class corvettes.! :-)) O0
Kiyo
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Hi all;
I finally made a main mast using a piece of brass rod and a pipe in my parts box, and my drilling machine.
I personally think that this brass mast looks a bit better than a copper mast made previously.
This is because I used this time a piece of "jig"to hold the material securely not to be bent while filing,in addition to
filing efficiency. That's why it appears to me that I made it a bit thinner as thought to be. {-)
Here are the pics of my work for today.
1;I first prepared for this "primitive jig" to hold the material rod.
2;Under filing the rod
3;First I made a connecting part on one end of the rod,with the another brass pipe.
4;connecting end of the rod was finished and cut the end to connect the pipe.
5;Connecting with a pipe was successfully done.!
6;This time,tapering process is being made carefully to get the final thickness as a mast and done,which is within a compromise for me.. O0 ;)
7;The result is like this.
8; And like this
9;Temporarily set it on the mid-ship to see how it looks
10;This is the final profile before painting,which I have to compromise with my present skill and experience and drilling machine... O0 {:-{ >>:-(
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Yes, much better! :-))
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Thanks Martin,my boss for your quick comment !!
The kit furnished mast and yard are so weak,soft and flexible that I could not help making metallic ones to rig with. O0
Kiyo
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Very nicely done Kiyo
I wonder how heavy your solid mast is compared with the hollow one I made with tubing sections tapered down back in 1980?
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Hi Lou;
Yes,mine must be heavier than yours ,though solid rod was used in upper half of the mast..anyhow whole mast is made of brass material and this will lead to literally top heavy model...?? {-) {:-{ O0 <:(
Kiyo
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Hard to say Kiyo. I would not think that the mast all by it's self would make the ship top heavy.
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Hi all;
I have come up to page 30 of the kit instruction completely with this work of painting the mast.
1;Painted and compared the inclination angle with the original mast. The angle of the mast in the kit is 8.5 degree behind.!
2;front
3;back
4/5/6/7;Just temporarily attached on the deck to see how it looks.
I think the above is OK for me.
I compromised with this result as this is intended for a working model,not a display model.! O0 :D {-)
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Hi all;
The main mast is now complete as in the pics below.!! :-))
Well then,next point to make differently from the instruction manual is a 40mm Pompom gun which will be possibly done in the next week or so.
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A little progress for today.
Ceiling windows of the boiler room? were hollowed thoroughly to apply clear plastics to get the sunshine into the room.
Without these windows, the circumstances in the room must be so dim that many crews there will happen to face a unhealthy and unsanitary conditions spiritually though lighting device must have been available...!! O0 :-)) {-) :D %)
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....."Ceiling windows of the boiler room?" ...........
Kiyo....no, these Skylights are above the Engine room.......
In this Plan, the Skylights are above bulkhead space 20/21 which is the Engine room
They can be hinged open when in fine weather to let hot air out, closed only in stormy rain......
The Boiler room does not have any upward facing Skylights
Derek
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Hi Derek;
A great thanks for your kind explanation on the skylights of the engine room which I did not know well enough.!
Hinged open ....surprising structure !! :D
Kiyo
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....."hinged open when in fine weather" . .........it's OK to Model them as closed skylights O0
If anyone asks....'just tell them it was a North Atlantic in stormy rain earlier today'.... when she set off on Ocean trials..... {-)
Derek
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Hi all;
I have come up through page 33 today where is this level of fabrication.
The Snowberry I feel looks a bit something like a corvette.! O0 {-) ♫～♪～♬～(^^♪
I wonder something like a radar antenna in the last pic is sound detector against approaching aircrafts..?? :((
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Any chance you could put a photograph of this item in the instruction book on here, the matchbox one never had this.
It looks like a davit modified, the Agassiz book is the shorter version of the corvettes where the stern is more for para vanes and mine clearing duties where the engine room stops just after the gun on the pedestal, in the castle class on this section there is what is referred to as a overtaking light !!!
I will have to dig out my instruction manual to check if it did have this and I changed it. :embarrassed:
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It is on my 1980 Matchbox corvette but didn't last long before it had to be repaired with a brass rod! I always took it to be a rearward facing light with a shield to prevent it from being seen from anywhere except from directly astern. I do not remember there being any explanation in the kit instructions and back then there was very little information on the Flower class corvettes. It will be interesting to see what you come up with warspite.
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I've always understood it to be a convoy light, as in the "follow that light" scenario. Apparently, in US regulations, it could be blue or, as a wake illumination" white. The 2001 edition it's Vol 15 Part 707 if you really want to know!
Tony
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It maybe that I thought it was a davit for the rear depth charges and relocated it to the main deck and that can be seen on the earlier picture I posted, that pictures shows the square where it was supposed to go and the fitting is on the deck between the depth charges with crew loading the rack, you would have thought a light bulb would be there by making a hole in the shield and the curved support poking through to represent the bulb. {:-{
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You could very easily be right Kiyo.
I was just saying what it LOOKED like to me, hoping that someone with better research material would check in and either confirm it or straighten me out.
In this picture it looks like you may be right.
(https://forums.kitmaker.net/uploads/default/original/2X/0/0ea027473706d186db25e7c24401c9188c8e0347.jpeg)
It looks like the "Follow Me" light may be on the stern bulwark.
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I reckon that Kiyo is getting on for 90% right. It's got the right profile etc. as what was called an Acoustic Mirror or Sound Mirror or Acoustic Parabola which came forward from WW1 and the interwar years. I reckon it would be a way of detecting aircraft approaching from the stern which could be a bit of a blind spot. It would be the anti-aircraft equivalent to hydrophones used to detect subs before radar and sonar worked. The pics attached show the extremes of what was around at various times between WW1 and WW2. It could explain also why it doesn't appear on all Flower kits.
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Well after a bit of a search - i found an image of the rear of the engine room roof, low and behold it has what is supposedly depicted, but its base is the bent tube direct to the deck and there is in most cases the davit with that base.
It doesn't look like a light, but alternatively, is it not to sound the bell / siren for letting the crew know when to let the charges go?
No other pictures I have looked at seem to show anything even remotely similar or present.
Though when blown up the image appears to show what may be the listening device in the images above.
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Hi all concerned with discussions of strange-looked equipment on the engine room roof.!
Thank you so much for very impressive pics on the above, particularly Japan's gigantic trumpets to detect enemy planes that
I had ever read of them installed to detect Boeing B-29 bombers for early warnings...
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Hi all;
One of the highlights for this corvette I think is 40mm pom-pom gun since the modification is meaningful to do and worth doing so.
Take a look at a kit illustration of the gun as in pic 1......sooooooo humble and primitive so as to have made this ship largely spoiled... <:( {-) >:-o >:-o >:-o
This gun I have thought must be remade using the kit parts,at least to be a better-looked one,not a complete one than a kit original gun..!!
I have modified as follows;
1;The kit illustration of the gun.......Is this satisfactory,generally speaking..??
2;I drilled a hole through the trunnion by 0.5mm diameter to get the gun elevate for AA firing and surface shooting against surface vessels. {-) {-) :D
3;I also attached a sighting device,platforms for a gunner and a loader on both sides of the gun as well as other small parts
to get the gun looked realistically.
4/5/6;fabricated like these.
7/8;AA firing angle
9/10;Level or depressive angle shooting pose like against surface targets.
Next step is just a painting.!!
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WOW warspite!
That is a fantastic find! I agree, it does not reveal WHAT it is but certainly confirms that it is there. If it was the sixties I would call it a sunflower in disguise %)
I also find the Lewis gun shield mount on the main deck to the right of the picture very interesting. The Lewis gun was not all that good of AA gun at the best of times so you would think it was there for some other close range surface action.
VERY NICE improvements on the 2 pounder gun Kiyo. That is looking much nicer.
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Hi Lou;
A great thanks for your complimentary comment on "my re-designed-2 pounder gun"! {-)
I do rarely have much knowledge nor information on the gun so that I could not help remaking based on my imagination.! {-)
Anyhow,original kit version profile is too poor.!! <*< >:-o 8)
Here are the pics of fully painted 2 pounder gun on "my design" {-) {-) %% %% :D
1/2/3;AA firing mode
4/5/6;Level firing mode
7;Depressive angle firing mode
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Looks great :-)) :-))
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Same ship (HMS Heliotrope) but different photo of the fitting.
One thing that has come up is that Heliotrope was built for the French and grabbed by the RN, possibly while on the stocks when France fell in June 1940. She was fitted out between launching on June 5th and September on 12th September, then transferred to the US Navy as PG63 Surprise in 1942.
So......was the thingy a bit of France left over?
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Hi Dreadnought;
Thanks for your comment.!!
Hi tonyH;
Thanks for an impressive pic of a real ship.
Frankly speaking,the real ship is rather messy,cluttered and in disorder..isn't it...!!! {-)
But it is so convenient for me to build the model corvette in my way that is also messy.!! {-) O0 %%
Kiyo
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Hi Tony
Great picture! It can be enlarged quite a bit without loosing detail. I still can't figure out what it is though. Appears not to be a light.
It appears that the ship is a short forecastle early corvette and has considerable work being done on the upper casing.
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Hi Lou,
I reckon the photo was shot just after commissioning, i.e. September 1940. It doesn't look worn enough to have actually been to sea yet, but the d/c's are on board and the ammo is generally the last thing to go on board.There appears to be a speaker/loud hailer sticking out of the port side of the deckhouse so the "oddity" still, to me anyway, had the parabola form of the US/UK listener.
?????????? {:-{ PS If you look up Surprise on Navsource, it indicates the hull form etc. that US inherited in 1942.
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Hard to say when the picture was taken. The mast seems to be forward of the superstructure when the Navsource pictures show it aft of the pilot house in the normal position for a long forecastle ship and the forecastle is clearly longer. There is no radar that I can see even though this feature could have been deleted from the photo by the censors. It is as if the pictures are two different ships. Could all of the apparent work on the casing be the addition of the aft gun tub found on US US corvettes? I suspect the horn or siren on the port side was to signal the K gun operators when to fire the depth charges.
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Hi Lou,
The pics of Surprise on the Navsource page are for the post conversion with 1x4inch and 1x3inch but I was thinking of the sketch, which is a sort of pre-redesign from the original build in 1939 so what actually emerged when she was transferred to USN in 1942 was even further from the original. So the radar went to the masthead etc. Also, the K03 numbering would suggest that she really was one of the first of the many. The pic of Heliotrope must have been when she was RN. The K guns, for example, are totally different from the ones used in the USN.
Sherlock Holmes I'm not but I find it fascinating.
As an aside, but with the same sort of issue, I'm just about to start a model of HMS Agamemnon (1906) and some of the photos show the ship, on active service in the Dardanelles, with only the front half camouflaged! Did they run out of paint?
Tony
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......"the real ship is rather messy, cluttered and in disorder"
In fairness, I don't think this is a realistic thought Kiyo, any Warship in Port loading ammunition, stores and whoever minor maintenance matters must naturally involve some degree of out of order as in the images shown
This is still the case today, and be rest assured, everything will be spick & span & tidy before the Admirals inspection
I agree tonyH, the crispness of the plating & rivets would suggest the vessel had not seen a great deal of service
This dinnerplate on a stick device at the stern is certainly questionable :o , I have read of the US 'convey follow me stern light' .......however dropping depth charges was a 24/7 occurrence, so at night the Sailors would have needed some form of good illumination to enable & complete their tasks which would have involved some serious manhandling in the reloading of the Tin can Depth Charges ......
[I have never read of an exploit where the dropping of depth charges was aborted until first-light to allow reloading ;D ]
Derek
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I couldn't determine if the brass items were a bell or a light fitting, though the other item appears to be a klaxon, obvoiusly any would do for letting the crew know when to fire the charges off the side, though non on the Starboard side from what I can tell but the other picture is earlier as the guns had not been added to the fittings on the stern, I also noted that this only had one depth charge thrower on each side compared to our vessels.
As for untidy, from what I could make out there were a few cables hanging around for possible temporary lighting as the engines had not been running, hence the one hanging off the railing, the final picture had covers over the majority of the open items and guns and what appears to be hung just inside the engine room cowl, I also noticed the cowls around the funnel were all in different orientations with the starboard side one looking like it was pointing at the funnel itself.
After another search using helitrope as a starting point, I believe they are light fittings.
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Agreed, they could easily be working lights, certainly from the one hanging off the rail on the starboard side. It just seems odd that it features in the kit.
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Hi Tony
For fear of taking over Kiyo's build completely the pictures and comments are very interesting to say the least.
I think I am leaning more toward some kind of high intensity light as for what the fixture is. Blackout conditions while reloading DCs was probably not all that important as the convoy would have pulled ahead by that time and the submarine knew full well where the corvette was! not to say that it was left on all of the time but it's elevated location could make it useful over a wide area. But then some kind of sensor disk also fits in quite well.
As for your [size=0px]HMS Agamemnon, I think she will make a great looking model. I have a soft spot for many of the pre-dreadnought battleships. She was of course already obsolete on the day she was launched. I think that if you can find a picture of her in the dazzle paint taken from a more broadside angle you will see that it does in fact extend down the length of the ship.. [/size]
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Looks like it's definitely a 4 or 8 lamp yardarm group (lamp), 2-3ft diameter, depending which one, made of brass with white enamel inside face. Got this from an ex-RN Engineering PO mate earlier today. He's pretty certain.
Cheers
Tony
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Defo a yardarm group as stated.
From its position facing aft it could be used as an overtaking light, switched on to signal
to a following vessel to come past.
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As for this, the closer you look, it has the appearance of a microphone / speaker, definitely not a bulb, so no signal light, the brass items are light fittings as they are screwed to the bulkhead and seem set at regular intervals, being brass during fit out and probably painted when the ship is finished so no external reflection.
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Yardarm groups are, apparently, for area lighting so it would take the form of a ring mount fitted with, in this case 8 bulbs, in a bowl reflector.
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Hi participants in the above discussions;
I am enjoying your exchange of various opinions joyfully which I ,of course, do welcome while building my Snowberry. :-))
And I have finished as far as page 35 of the kit instructions as in the pics below.♬～♪～♬～♫～
1/2/3;mounted aboard Snowberry
4/5;Just for fun
6/7;Page 35 stage.!!
Kiyo
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Looking under Yardarm lights, something similar comes under a 'cluster light' and makes reference that norman ough refers to it as a fog light, in any respect the assembly is not that seen on any pictures as a davit with the bowl on the end, the davit is still missing between the depth charge deck below.
Looking really good there Backerther
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The photos are of a ship built for the French Navy. Their spec may have called for the davit to be up-top, in which case it was a handy place to lash on a work light %)
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Hi warspite;
Thank you for your kind comment.!
The build seems to be over in the mid-March... O0
Kiyo
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Hi all;
My Snowberry has come up to this stage based on the instruction manuals page37 of whole 45 pages.
The rest of parts is becoming less and less naturally.!♫～♪～♩～
Many small fittings were added onto the deck-house and deck by which she is forming a final appearance... O0 %%
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Looking very nice Kiyo. Getting very close to launch day.
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Hi Lou;
Yes,for sure,the day seems to come in sight at not so far away distance... O0
But after fitting works be done,I intend to modify partly the inside of the ship including a final check to get her launched
on my local lake where is rather notorious for its rough surface frequently throughout a year....Check and check intensively not to lose the ship on the lake before launching.
Kiyo
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That is a good practice even when sailing in smaller lakes.
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Hi all;
The report for today is many depth charges and some are loaded in the projectors built as per the kit instructions as usual.
The depth charges are very simple and tiny to see,but it took comparatively much time to complete beyond my previous imagination. {-) %%
With this work,I have come up to the page 38 of the kit instructions.
1/2/3;Depth charges set on the both sides as per the instructions.
4/5/6;Overall impressions up to page 38
My winter project appears to be likely over by late March completely if the work should go on as it is...♬～♩～(^^♪
From April is the very sailing season for my RC boats and ships now in fundamentally sleeping...?? {-) {-)
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Looking really good :-))
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Hi SteamboatPhil;
I'm so glad to have your favorable comment on my Snowberry under construction.!! %% :D
Kiyo
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You shouldn't be surprised at the the comments. It really is a lovely, precise and handsome build and you should be very pleased with your work. :-))
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You shouldn't be surprised at the the comments. It really is a lovely, precise and handsome build and you should be very pleased with your work. :-))
Agreed
Lou
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Hi tonyH;
A great thanks for your encouragement that will greatly inspire me with much more passion for completion of the ship.! O0
Hi Lou;
After completion of my Snowberry, I intend to see the movie" The cruel sea" again beside my Snowberry..
Kiyo
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After completion of my Snowberry, I intend to see the movie" The cruel sea" again beside my Snowberry..
What you need to do is pick a rough weather day and take your corvette out for a REAL North Atlantic adventure! Those days were the most fun for me when I was still running my corvette. Don't forget to film it though I for one would enjoy seeing it as well. Your lake is a very nice sailing location.
Lou
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Hi all;
Work for today is to assemble 4 sets of life raft racks and to set them on the both sides of the hull.
And I at last have come to page 40 of whole 45 pages. O0 :-))
1/2;Portside racks
3/4;Starboard racks
5;Both side view
6/7;General views per page 40 stage
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Hi all;
Life rafts have been set on the racks today at the same time rigging work around the funnel was also done. %)
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With the life rafts in place - how do you access the engine room space, assuming this section is removable for getting to the rudder and other items etc?
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Hi warspite;
You put a natural and good question on the point.!
Yes,hull side of the supports of the racks are not fixed,just snap-in to the hull side.
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Nicely done. The life raft platforms are one of the harder items when building for RC. Getting closer and closer to launch day!
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Yes,I am going to the terminal stage as for the assembly of the plastic model ship,though I am scheduled to review the whole
RC system after the plastic model assembly should be fundamentally complete.
By the way,works for today are minimum and tiny add-on works to the life cutters.
As you see in the pics below, the kit furnished parts are soooo simple and humble to set on the deck that I couldn't help add keels, stringers,etc to the inside of the cutters to have them looked more realistic than the kit designed ones at least.
1;Tooo simple and humble to use as it is at least even for me.. <:( {:-{
2;I remade like this..
3;Cutters as per the kit instruction basis and modified ones.
4;Both cutters were modified.
5/6;Complete after painting.
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Thats a great improvement on the original lifeboats, :-))
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Nice work Kiyo
I was unhappy with the simplicity of my boats years ago also but just covered the tops with "canvas" as I felt that would have been the way they would have been carried much of the time anyway.
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Hi number-1;
Thanks a lot for your comment on my remade life boats.!
Hi Lou;
As a whole,it is rather easy to assemble the plastic model ships than other styles of making model ships using other materials and experienced skills. Therefore,it is not so interesting for me not to remake and refit some humble parts which should find to be modified to get them looked more realistic....
kiyo
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Hi all;
I added the rudders and helms to the lifeboats today,though I have been building this Snowberry as a working model.
In this sense,I feel there is no need to detail the boats up with such small parts ,but I couldn't help modifying this
humble boat furnished in the kit. :(( >>:-( {-) O0
1/2;Added furthermore tiny parts to the boats
3/4;Painted them
5;Kit parts.. terrible!! <:( >>:-(
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Hi all;
I have finished the lifeboats up with the appearance in the pics below,as this is just a working plastic model, not a static model.! %) O0
Other details will possibly done some time in the future if I should think it necessary to do so for a RC working model. O0
1;Materials to add a final detailing
2;Rope latches are attached around the hull.
3;and painted roughly.
4/5/6/7/8;Final profiles attache with ropes.
9;Even I don't accept this poor boat..perhaps the worst parts as well as 40mm pompom gun in this kit.!! >>:-( {-) %% :-))
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Very nice Kiyo
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Vast improvement
Bob
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Hi Lou;
Thank you so much for your favorable comment.!
Hi Bob;
I also have been following your build of the great aircraft carrier model with much interest.! :-))
I do like an aircraft carrier very much. O0
Kiyo
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Hi all;
Both lifeboats were loaded aboard the ship as per the kit instructions and I have come up to the page 41 of whole 45 pages at last !! :D %% :-)) My winter project seems possibly to be over in coming March as expected.!♩～♪～♬～
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Hi all;
Depth charge dropping rails were completed as per the kit instructions today.
36 depth charges in all were loaded on the rails.
As far as page 42 content of whole 45 was done.!
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Very nice Kiyo
As a reminder, you may note the six "cans" that sit in the two baskets on the rails sitting upright. These are not depth charges as indicated in the plans they are smoke canisters and would not normally actually look like or have the same color as the charges.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/HMCS_Sackville_%28K181%29_poupe.JPG)
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Hi Lou;
Thank you very much for your correction of what I misunderstood on the depth charges.
Frankly speaking,even I felt something strange on the smoke canisters as these were larger than other true depth charges,while coloring is the same (by the kit instructions) and the shape is so similar each other.... {-) :o :embarrassed:
At the same time I wondered how and where "the big depth charges"would be dropped away ..... {-) {-) {-) {-)
Kiyo
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Hi all;
I installed the depth charge dropping rails as per the kit instructions.
And page 42 was done.!
It's March from tomorrow at last when true spring should come for my RC hobby activities. :-)) ♬～♩～♫～
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Looking very nice Kiyo.
There is a chance that in the case of WWII they did not paint the smoke canisters all nice and pretty to match the ship like they did with the Sackville. It was wartime and they may not have bothered! The Sackville after all is a museum ship and is all dressed up for the public. I used that picture only because it was the best that I could find that I could make work on this forum. I still have considerable problems getting pictures to work on this forum.
Looking forward to sailing day.
Lou
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Hi all;
Handrailing work was done on the forecastle as per the kit instructions.
By this work, I am passing page 43 of whole 45 pages.
The rest of the work are mainly rigging work ,16 crew figures,appliance of decals,other flags and pennants as well as partial
camouflage painting around superstructures before the modifications of internal Rc system of the hull.
Well,this ship will never been possibly commissioned within March..unless above works should go smooth..??? {-) O0
1/2/3;Handrailing works done.
4;This ship has now been named Snowberry formally.!! {-) %%
5/6/7;Profiles as of page 43.
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Looking really very good. As a suggestion you can get various thicknesses of a product called "Beadalon". Its jewelry wire and can be as thin as 0.3 mm and is seven strand wire with an incredibly thin coating so it really does look like wire rope. You need to use thin metal tubes to crimp it together but it looks like the real thing because it is the real thing in miniature.
I use it on all my models (or a similar brand) and it adds an extra dimension and is not expensive.
Cheers
Geoff
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I've not used this myself for rigging, but several reviews say EZ Line is pretty good!
https://youtu.be/dqXVO8mZxM4
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Hi Geoff and Martin;
Thanks a lot for your information on the wires and EZ line,I checked the merchandises...superb !!! :-))
I will intend to try some in the next build of a RC scale ship model which is not a plastic model ship.!!
Kiyo
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Hi all;
A report for today on my Snowberry is the rigging works based on primarily the instruction manuals using 0.3mm colored thread contained in the kit,which I "found" by chance about 10 days or so ago.!! {-) {-) {-)
In this sense,I was lucky to have found this thread as I had been searching for something suitable for the rigging work like
asking my wife if she had a good thread for the work or looking for it in my odds and ends.....
1/2/3/4;Rigging work was done.!
5/6/7;Page 44 of the instruction manuals was over with these profiles.
The rest are crew figures and decals.After that I have to modify the RC system to go for a launching sail after intensive bathtub test running the motor for ten minutes or so including ballast adjustment. :D
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Hi all;
I decided to adopt 12 crews for having them work aboard my Snowberry among 15 furnished in the kit.
And I painted them according to the instruction manuals today.
1;Before painting after shaping them up as "figures"
2;Painted
3;12 crews were selected for service aboard the ship.
4;They are naturally to be positioned as ammunition loaders and a rammer on the gun platform.! O0
5;I am wondering how and where the rest of crews are to be positioned properly...But this sort of imagination is pleasant
to do actually for a model ship building at the final stage ,isn't it..? {-) O0 %%
6;By adding these figures and other accessories ,another enjoyment of dioramic scenes will be created aboard the model ship... O0 %% :-))
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General quarters !!
12 crews were quartered as in the pics below today.!! O0 :D %%
1;....
2;Checking the gun intensively
3/4;Anchors away.!
5;Preparing for the ammunitions beside the gun....??
6;Checking the depth charges intensively.
7/8;At last page 45 was complete like this,to be followed with applying some decals and pennants...
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Very nicely done Kiyo
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I had images of VLAD the impaler for a second {-) {-)
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Hi warspite;
I could generally understand what you mean..but to make sure it more clearly,let me know what VLAD is??
I am a foreigner here,not an European nor a native speaker of English!! {-) {-) O0 :embarrassed:
Kiyo
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It's your photos showing the figures being painted on the ends of sticks. Vlad or as he was more properly known Vlad Dracul (dragon) was the ruler of Wallachia mid 15th century. Known as Vlad the Impaler due to the the way he punished people by impaling them on wooden posts. The probable inspiration for Dracula the vampire.
Jim
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Hi JimG;
A great thanks for your kind teaching the VLAD,by which I understood very much.
I enjoyed today RC boating my Najade very much.
Please enjoy the video in the Model boating column in the above if you are interested in.
Kiyo :-))
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Another great shot for the mayhem family album! :-))
(https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2022/03/11/Image3.jpg) (https://www.modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/image/fCbrK)
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Good morning everyone;
Thank you !, Martin,for your understanding my style of enjoying the RC model boating throughout a year. :-))
Kiyo
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:-)) O0
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Hi Lou and all;
Here are the pics of completed Snowberry as just a plastic model as fundamentally per the instruction manuals,not as a working model currently.!! {-) %% ;D From next week,I will start modifying the RC gears already installed to get her sail actually on the lake from April at the latest. :-)) %%
Kiyo
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Very good. Well done. :-)
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I do not understand Kiyo. I thought you had already built and tested the RC part of the ship long ago?
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Maybe a translation misunderstanding? :o as Page 1 does confirm the R/C setup with the motor fitted etc..
Derek :-X
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...... From next week, I will start modifying the RC gears already installed to get her sail actually on the lake .....
Kiyo
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Hi Perkasaman2:
Thank you so much for your kind comment.
Hi Lou;
Exactly yes,I already have set it up the RC system in the very beginning before getting into substantial assembly of the ship.
But Martin indicated kindly above,I intend to modify the system from next week.
This is simply because I got recently a small and reliable pump for use with the cooling water to seek for an actual purpose and
scale realism to get the water out of the hull side.
And the present RC system is 3 channel and will be replaced with a 4 channel radio inconsideration of the actual operation at the sailing site.
1;New pump powered with 3V～12V though not yet tested
2/3;vey very old pump which I have felt something unreliable recently though Japanese-made.
4;Same type of pump(tiny yellow colored thing) used to work very much to circulate the cooling water with a 2 stroke 45 class engine even in the enclosed steel hull under mid-summer 40 years ago.!! {-) %%
Kiyo
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:-)) 8)
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Hi all;
I started to modify the internal RC mechanism. Before that I detached 3 deck (hatches) from the hull first I had completed
as a plastic model ship to confirm if the decks were EASILY removed.....Only first deck(bridge and gun deck) was no Good as left-hand stairs down to the lower deck interfered with the left life raft.....
1;The first deck was detached and needs to adjust the left stairs not to interfere with the life raft...
2;Front life rafts of both sides needs to be easily detachable by some magnets for the convenience of smooth installation of the first deck.
3/4;The second deck was detached easily with no problem.
5;Thess two openings are enough to gain access to the inside of the hull.Though still lower deck itself is kept detachable with screws,but no need any more to keep it so.!
6;The third deck
7;Overview
Next is modification work to get her sail as a practically working model ship.!! :-))
She needs more reliabilities and reinforcements to be a good runner on the water of our local lake. O0 %%
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Nice to see your progress Kiyo
You may want to place your radio receiver higher in the hull though. It does not weigh much and if it is placed high will not affect stability very much, but it will make it easier to keep dry just in case.
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Hi Lou;
Yes,I do think so too,so that I have already set it on the white platform-deck as shown below.
It has been packed in a film bag for the water resistance. :-))
Kiyo
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Hi all;
The first water circulating pump I tried to install did not work at all. This is a Chinese-made one. <:( >>:-( >:-o
The second Chinese one worked so and so, and decided to adopt it aboard my Snowberry after brief modification to get it
work more securely to suck the water.
1; No good,d-.
2;This one is a bit better
3/4;Modified like this for a better efficiency to suck the water.
5/6;And installed like this.This one is so compact even for my small 1/72 Snowberry.
It did work in the bathtub test nearly at a standstill conditions. I gave it a OK since I will actually let the pump work at a bit faster running conditions. O0 %%
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"The first water circulating pump I tried to install did not work at all." >>:-(
Kiyo...
If this is the pump shown in the first image?....it could be a simple el-cheapo $10.00 plastic housing gear or centrifical pump, which is designed to be installed with flooded suction - an example of this is the automobile windscreen washer jet pump, where the pump is located at the bottom of the water tank
These pumps will not self prime, they are also designed with the fluid medium for lubrication of the gear to housing interface
The second pump....is that a diaphragm design?
Derek
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Derek;
I know that sufficiently and previously since the description of product indicated so,but at the same time it said Ok for the purpose I intended. O0 O0 That's why I chose in vain. To make the matter worse,the pump did not work even for flooded suction purpose AT ALL.However,the second one is also intended for the same purpose as the first one,but worked much better than the first one,at least for my intended use. :-)) O0 %) Both are around USD12 made in China.!!
Kiyo
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Hi all;
I set a main switch like this. I set here because it's actually only one and suitable place not to annoy me even if 3 decks were detached for some reasons,no wiring would follow the decks annoying me by the cords. O0 Moreover, this location I suppose will hardly spoil the important scale appearance.. :embarrassed: :D %)
I am so interested in how other builders of this model kit did with this point.....???? {:-{
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40 years ago, we would have said $2.25 each & made in Japan, however they would have worked with flooded suction :-))
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Hi all;
I made both front life rafts detachable using small magnets to get a smooth detachment of the first deck.
Without this work,it is impossible to detach the first deck..... <:( :((
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You may want to look at this switch or something like it Kiyo.
https://www.zepsus.com/product/magnetic-switch-15a/ (https://www.zepsus.com/product/magnetic-switch-15a/)
The submarine guys use them to turn power on and off without having to open the watertight section of the model when they get to the running area. Just wave a magnet over the area where the switch is and power turns on. Wave the "Key" magnet over it again and the power turns off. There is no need for an opening or a direct mechanical connection to the switch so only you will know where to wave the "Key" magnet and there is no opening to wreck the scale looks or let water in.
Nice idea on the raft platform. Back when I built mine I just attached the entire assembly to the engine room casing with brass sheet and the rafts platform lifts off with the housing.
Lou
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Hi Lou;
A great thanks for your new information on the splendid and sophisticated switch which I did not know at all so far.!! :-))
The price is also priceless like its quality for me.!! {-) O0 :-))
I will keep it in mind and my list of new parts to use for my RC models to come in the future.
My style of detaching the decks are possibly and nearly the same as yours....???
The first deck plays a service hatch while other 2 decks are normally kept closed.
Kiyo
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Mine is almost the same, except I do not use screws and I do not have the cutout hatch under the depth charge racks. I used silicone, (RTV) to hold the rear deck down in case I ever needed to remove it to work on the rudder. I have never had to remove it in more than 25 years. I have never changed the main deck but if I was to do it today I would hold it in place using neodymium magnets. Your system should work well and look good while running.
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Hi all;
I am still using very old FM radios in my RC models and therefore set one of them for the Snowberry.
The long radio receiver antenna was set as in the pics below,which I think will be OK to get the receiver to catch the radio wave securely at the distance of 30m or so at the longest. Anyhow I intend to check the range test before the actual sailing of the maiden voyage. O0
I used a so-called glue-gun to fix the antenna around the hull side.
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Hi all;
A report for today on my Revell Snowberry 1/72 is the cradles,one is for display and the other for transporting use..
1;kit version of display use
2/3;Modified one
4/5/;transporting cradle,this one is not special to the Snowberry... {-)
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Hi all;
Final smoking test was done at nearly completed conditions of the ship. ..So and so...If necessary,I'll replace with a powerful new smoke generator. O0
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Hi all;
It seems that my winter project of building this Snowberry is being ended in these profiles.
I took these pics of so called two shot images with a package art in commemoration of the completion. :-))
About 5 months have past since re-starting this winter project. All up weight for sailing is about 2.8kgs finally.
I am currently preparing for a launching and also waiting for the a good weather suitable for the launching.!! :-)) :-)
The launching condition I am expecting is wind speed of less than 2m/s north... :-)
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Looks great :-)) :-))
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Thanks a lot ,Dreadnought ! %%
I may possibly and happily be able to graduate from this column in about 5 months to enter into the Model Boating column at the very top of the this forum from April.!! ♩～♫～♬～ {-)
Kiyo
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She is looking like a very nice nice addition to you fleet Kiyo. I will miss looking in on your progress. I will look forward to seeing her on the lake though. I also wish you luck in your search for fair winds and calm seas.
Lou
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Hi Lou;
Thanks for your interest in my Snowberry and her maiden voyage.
Coming Wednesday seems so suitable for launching as the forecast has indicated it'll be 1m/s north during 6;00Am-12;00PM
which is the best for this class of model ship,if this should come true really on the water... {-) O0 %)
1;This is no wind fundamentally..
2;My Najade sailed like this on this conditions...not so interesting for this kind of fast boat.But rather good for a scale ship
3;From my experience of sailing on the water,I like this level of water conditions which might be around 1.0m-1.5m/s of wind speed... O0
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Will be watching on Kiyo %) .....remember these vessels could climb 20ft waves O0 .....hope to see some video too
[you also have 16.6K views of this build here which is a credit compliment in itself :-)) ]
Derek
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duplicate :embarrassed: - please delete :police:
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Derek;
I do thank you so much for your kind comment on my Snowberry. %%
Everything is already ready for sailing,yet the weather will be so important..
That is because even if the ship should stop suddenly on the water due to some reason,the north wind will surely assist me to get her back to the shore shortly and softly if it should blow at around 1.0-1.5m/s..... :-))
In this case,of course, no recovery vessel is required...just wait for several minutes.. {-)
In this sense,around 1.5m/s of north wind is sooo expected to make a safe( if not successful) maiden voyage,in which no one could tell what should take place.... {:-{
The following pics show the launching scenes of 1/96 HMS Fencer in 2018 June...Frankly speaking,I was a bit afraid of a sudden stop on the water because of no wind actually and no recovery vessel on the spot on the day.!!!!! :(( :embarrassed:
Anyhow safe return was done as a result. :-))
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Hi all;
I made a final draught adjustment and set as seen below for the maiden voyage possibly tomorrow... :-)
And prepared a rescue boat which will play the role by 55cm Jupiter P-550 equipped with a RS540 motor.
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The big day! :-))
I'll be watching, good luck.
Lou
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I may have to get up a bit earlier tomorrow morning due to the latest weather information.
Hours of north wind of less than 2.0m/s seem to be as far as around 10:30 Am...
Thereafter,it will be 2-3m/s south by south east wind...which is terrible even for a normal sailing of RC model ships and boats
as a rule. !! At the worst,the boat will be drifting away over 2.2 km north in the middle of the lake followed by a subsequent and desperate loss dependent upon the wind speed.... <:( <:( <:( >:-o >:-o :-X :-X
Let me show you some scarce but very scared pics taken in the third trial run of 1/96 HMS Fencer under a bit rough water..over 2.0-2.5m/s wind started to blow during the run.!!
1;Overconfident test run...???? {:-{ not so strong wind though at this time...so I got her out on the water..
2;She came to repeat fierce pitching.....
3/4/5;I did not see her well enough clearly when I was operating this ship.This is not the north Atlantic in the winter for the model ship.! {-) But it looks like that for me.!! O0
But I began to notice something strange about her movements at the same time decided to get her back home to the shore !!! The water inside the hull was well over 1 inch high composing a good ballast ... {-) {-) {-) >:-o >:-o >:-o
I was so much scared with these pics later when I saw them.... {:-{ :o :o 8) 8)
I have ever seen a similar pic of actual escort carrier HMS NABOB ? with the pic No4.....
The operation of maiden voyage and flight always gets the modeler so nervous,doesn't it..??? {:-{
Either of which will lead to the loss of model at worst that might have been built with a huge amount of time and efforts.. %) O0
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I think that with the way you have build the corvette that she should have no problems with waves of that size Kiyo.
This size may be a different matter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wnmhK3lK1I&t=334s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wnmhK3lK1I&t=334s)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAH1HrAzUoM&t=381s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAH1HrAzUoM&t=381s)
I have ran in these conditions often, (Not the pool size waves!) and it is great adventure.
Good luck
Lou
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This on the other hand may be a little crazy :o O0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXw5e0RGFhs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXw5e0RGFhs)
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Hi Lou;
I was TESTING and looking for the best balance of the Carrier model which had as you might know so called TOP HEAVY characteristics..!
Therefore,the Fencer model was not yet established her final and secure best balance in those days during which she came across the
terrible waves....She was so unstable especially in roll-axis in such conditions she showed additionally pitching movement as in the pics by the rough waves...!! It was consequently so dangerous for her so as to sink because over 1-inch high water had come in around the keel already ! :(( [size=78%] [/size]
[size=78%]I know very well the (RC) planes without adequate CGs are sooo unstable and dangerous in the air from my actual experience of flying the model planes.![/size] :-)) :(( O0 The ship is the same on the water,isn't it?
1/2;So dangerous conditions possibly leading to sinking if this went on and on as the water in the hull was over 1-inch high
already...
3;This is nearly normal draft for her and stable in this time as she has gained the well balance to some extent.! O0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f-fI3S6f1E is present conditions not yet perfect... {-)
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Hi Lou and all;
It was a really really happy day under the favor of good weather for me?giving us an air temperature of 21degrees C with less than 2m/s wind though from south at around 9;00AM. Sufficiently warm for this season and cherry blossom is now in full bloom in addition to my favorite dandelions. :-)) :-))
The result of my Snowberry ?? Yes ,of course,I DID IT at last in a level of so and so as seen so far in my models. {-) {-) {-) :embarrassed: %%
1:Idling mode of the throttle was enough to keep a scale speed with a 380 class brushed motor.
Some pics below contain scenes at high speed with a very slight forward throttle.
2;I set 2 lipos of 5000mAh each 2S and 3S(smoking)
3;I did not check the drain of water this time.
Video to follow soon! ♩～♬～♫～ :-))
Kiyo
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Hi all;
I have made a video to show you clearly how my Snowberry actually did a job today as a maiden voyage. %%
Enjoy her movements.! I am ,of course,still making some improvement about her maneuver and function.
https://youtu.be/qwkX4Uvasks (https://youtu.be/qwkX4Uvasks)
Anyhow,it was a good day in the morning.!!!!
Though my efforts to improve this model will still continue as far as she could run on the water as I do expect . :-)) O0
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Glad to see it running so well Kiyo
I am not certain but she may be riding just slightly deep in the bow but is is so slight that it is hard to tell.
Thanks for sharing
Lou
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Hi Lou;
I'm so glad to have your favorable comment on my post of maiden voyage.
I also have felt the same impression with you of the water line along the hull.....It seems slightly higher over water line at the stern than bow...I noticed this point by some pics later while I did not when operating the ship,though... {-) :embarrassed:
So I will rearrange the balance shortly for the second trial run in the next week. :-))
Kiyo
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From the picture its more than likely the bow wave makes it look nose heavy, the wake generated is also always quite big, so not an issue.
If you do not seal the apertures in Fencer then you have to expect water ingress, you have to imagine what these apertures are, straight through, rooms, a wall further back a hanger deck opening, then create boxes or clear boxes that prevent water ingress in case you take her out in weather that suddenly turns.
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Hi warspite;
Thanks for your comment. %%
As for my Fencer,I did a intensive sealing on potentially risky apertures [size=78%]around the hull [/size][size=78%]already before the trial runs EXCEPT a service hatch for a rudder post[/size]
where was a bit loose to seal as I thought it OK from the previous weather information forecasting a calm wind.... {-)
Now she has been completed fully two years before and well balanced for a flat top,so she is sailing so so ,no to say perfect .! :-))
Next year I possibly would get a full-span time in my life whenever I intend to do,I will seek for the better balance I expect it should be...And glad if I can afford to let you know it by the videos!! {-) O0 Since I made this carrier as a working model. O0 :embarrassed:
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I originally intended to go for the 2nd trial run today as the weather forecast had said yesterday that wind would be north 1.0m/s,fine weather in the morning which was the best for the trial run for this scale ship.....Therefore I got up earlier and took the breakfast,and went out of home to find RAINING ALREADY !!!! >>:-( >>:-( >>:-( <:( <:( :o :o
Instead,I made a tiny work to set the third aerial line and painted as shown below. {:-{ :(( {-) {-) {-)
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Hi all;
Today I made a very tiny but indispensable equipment for the corvette and her role on the water.
Yes, SONAR is,but a bit humble though... {-) %% But it's OK as she is just a working model to sail on the water.
Revell did not pay much attention to this important equipment for a corvette... :((
And this is detached normally on the water in my model... :o :embarrassed: {-) {-)
1;materials
2/3;assembled
4;painted
5/6;Installed near the bow
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Now your corvette can not only protect you from lurking submarines but tell you where the fish are as well! :-) :-))
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HI KIYO very nice job an very detailed very well done :-))
chris
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Now your corvette can not only protect you from lurking submarines but tell you where the fish are as well! :-) :-))
Hi Lou;
Thank you for your joking comment ,but it is really true,isn't it.. %%
Frankly speaking,I am afraid my Snowberry be caught by something like a fishing line in the water or other invisible stuff at the sonar that is protruding from the keel largely.. {:-{ :(( {-)
Kiyo
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Hi Chris;
Nice to have your comment.
You are making an exceptionally big but detailed model,aren't you ?
You are also doing very neat and courteous jobs even in the inside of helicopter.!! :-))
Kiyo
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Hi all;
It was a really really happy day not only for me, but also for my Snowberry as she made a smoking sail successfully.!! :-))
The weather was fine,21degrees C, south wind at about 0.5m/s which are sufficient for smoking test.
And cooling water drain was also tested to be fine ,though it was not clear enough in the pics... %%
1;Smoking conditions at speed
2;Smoking at low speed
3;Waves ripped sharply by the bow at speed... a kind of scale realism?which I like to see on the water. {-)
4; whole view at speed
5;At speed with smoking
6;At speed..attention to the waves and wakes at the bow and the stern
7; At speed
8;At low speed with smoking seen clearly
9;" You did a very good job today and congratulations for a safe return" {-) %% :-))
If I installed the sonar at the keel,she would have possibly been damaged largely by the steps of the shore... {-) O0
Here is the video. %)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbBa5pesCNg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbBa5pesCNg)
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Hi Chris;
Nice to have your comment.
You are making an exceptionally big but detailed model,aren't you ?
You are also doing very neat and courteous jobs even in the inside of helicopter.!! :-))
Kiyo
HI Again Kiyo yes i am building my HMS TIGER an yes its big but i love big model an getting it all to work if possibe like my seaking heilcopter an at the moment im waiting for the tiny motors to arrive from china so i can fit one in to work the tail rotar an i also want to fit the red flashing 2mm led on the tail top an a white led faceing backwards as a running light i think they are called an also fit in a hinge so that the tail will swing round for storage like the real chopper an it will also protect the rear rotors from getting broken in transport but back to your ship i think its one of the most detailed snowberrrys ive seen as my boaty m8 has one in his living room an its a lovely model but i dont think his sails like yours very well done indeed
ATB
Chris will look in again soon :-))
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Hi Chris;
Thanks a lot for your kind comment on my Snowberry. :embarrassed: %%
By the way,let's take care of health each other for enjoying happy boating hobby. :-))
I like slow speed like this pic even in my life. :D
Kiyo
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Looking very nice Kiyo. I am glad you are happy with the handling and speed.
As for fish I have a story about my corvette when it was new.
When I built my corvette I polished the prop to a high shine. I was running in a fairly clear lake on a sunny day and having fun when I saw a shadow following right behind my boat. I thought I had snagged a weed or something but did not see any loss in power. I brought the boat in for a closer look and when I slowed down close to shore a fairly large fish that had been attracted by my prop darted away! It had been following me all over the lake like a fishing lure! If I had been dragging a hook I think I could have caught it. It was kind of big though so it is probably just as well that I didn't.
Lou
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I had a shoal of fish following my Deans Motor Gun Boat around at a show at Brighton Marina nearly thirty years ago - it had a shiny prop shop prop on and they followed it everywhere I steered it.
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"I had a shoal of fish following my Deans Motor Gun Boat around at a show at Brighton Marina nearly thirty years ago"
Our club attended an event years ago and one of our more talented members was quite good at converting small operational submarines from model kits. they had a large tank of water at the event that they had stocked with small fish, I forgot why. But at any event we were allowed to sail our small boats in this pond for people to watch. When he put his sub in the water the fish started following it like it was their long lost mother! No matter where he went from the deepest to the surface a whole school would follow him through every turn and change of depth. Only when he stopped completely would they loose interest. But as soon as he started up again they would start following right behind like the Pied Piper. It was great fun to watch.
Lou
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Hi Lou and Dave_S.
Thanks a lot for your really really interesting and funny stories from your experience. {-) {-) {-) :-))
Anyhow RC boating is really really happy to do on the water in the nature,outdoor activities so as to enjoy extra and unique experience
like you shared here. :-))
Kiyo
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An amazing build my friend, it really looks the part in the water.
Garry
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Hi Tworrs;
A great thanks for your kind comment on my 1/72 Snowberry.
I added a very famous and courageous music to the video of the sailing scene. :-))
That is, possibly you know,"Colonel Bogey march"so as to meet the sailing scene of famous corvette..?? O0 :-)) ;)
Enjoy the video with the march together with the sailing atmosphere in a full screen!! :-)) :-)) {-) {-) %%
Revell Flower class corvette HMCS Snowberry 1/72 smoking test - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbBa5pesCNg)
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Hi Backberther, thank you for sharing the video. a very impressive ship there.
I love the clean lines, and the bow wave is so smooth. You got the smoke production spot on as well.
Yes I know Colonel Bogey, very fitting if I may say.
Well done
Garry
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HI Kiyo your ship looks great on the water an smoking as well brilliant job an a brilliant model very well done sir
an hello garry
chris :-))
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Hello Chris.
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Hi Chris;
Thanks a lot always for your warm comment.!! :-))
By the way,are you ready for your Norfolk to sail in the regatta on 24th ..??
I am really interested in large Norfolk to sail realistically on the lake by the video taken by your Gen ?!! :-)) {-) %%
I suppose many energetic Rc boaters will carry their boastful works to enjoy them on the water,won't they..?? :-) O0
Kiyo
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Hi Chris;
Thanks a lot always for your warm comment.!! :-))
By the way,are you ready for your Norfolk to sail in the regatta on 24th ..??
I am really interested in large Norfolk to sail realistically on the lake by the video taken by your Gen ?!! :-)) {-) %%
I suppose many energetic Rc boaters will carry their boastful works to enjoy them on the water,won't they..?? :-) O0
Kiyo
HI again Kiyo no not ready with norfolk yet will spend all day on the saterday just brushing off the dust an then trying everything out to see if any problems as she has'nt sailed for about a year an sorry but no vid as cant do one but will get some pics of norfolk sailing with other ships hopefully depends on the wheather but in case we have to cancel due to wheather here are a couple of shots of norfolk hope you dont mind me posting them if you do i will remove them
chris
https://ibb.co/QPBJcG1 (https://ibb.co/QPBJcG1)
an flightdeck shot of working merlin heicoter an with her lights on as this was a evening sail
an was just starting to get dusk
https://ibb.co/wyvKTGL (https://ibb.co/wyvKTGL)
AN yes Kiyo there normally are quite a few large model on show an sailing with their owners thats why i find these garla days so good as its also good to meet up an make new freinds as i did last yr an to see the normal freinds that ive know for yrs an i love where you sail from plenty of space there an nice veiws
chris
chris
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Hi Chris;
They are really amazing pics of HMS Norfolk in terms of her details and fantastic lighting effects which are particularly stressed as being on the water.!! :-)) :-)) :-)) Many crews are working all around the ship so realistically.!! :-)) :-))
Despite of the warship,she looks so romantic with lighting effects at dusk at anchor which air may impress me some kind of
calmness. :-)) :-)) :-))
I do hope you to brush off the dust courteously to get her reveal again on the water in the daytime this time.! {-)
Looking forward to your successful time and her pics on the day.
Kiyo
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Hi Chris;
They are really amazing pics of HMS Norfolk in terms of her details and fantastic lighting effects which are particularly stressed as being on the water.!! :-)) :-)) :-)) Many crews are working all around the ship so realistically.!! :-)) :-))
Despite of the warship,she looks so romantic with lighting effects at dusk at anchor which air may impress me some kind of
calmness. :-)) :-)) :-))
I do hope you to brush off the dust courteously to get her reveal again on the water in the daytime this time.! {-)
Looking forward to your successful time and her pics on the day.
Kiyo
YES Kiyo jen will be doin the dusting off of norfolk as she wont let me do it in case i break something as she uses a make up brush to brush the dust away an a tiny hover all ive got to do is test her eletrics so it will be fun for me doin that an let the lady do her dusting lol {-)
hope you are well kiyo
atb
chris an jen
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Hi all;
I just enjoyed a kind of scale realism on the water of my Snowberry moored at buoys as seen below.
It was calm ,sometime windy on the water today and a pair of mooring buoys did a nice job as expected even under windy time. :-))
Using these buoys,I could enjoy model boating only seeing the ship,while I take a rest on a chair with a cup of tea.
I think it is much interesting to moor the ships not in operation rather than to get them on the boat cradle on the land. %%
Therefore, I intend to carry them whenever I go for model boating from now on.!! :-))
Boating site and test of mooring for today are as follows;
I was impressed with two dogs together with a young couple of boaters and the dogs were sitting on the boats very seriously beside their masters.!!
It was a happy day today as usual.!! :-))
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That certainly adds to the realism Kiyo. :-))
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Hi Kiyo, the buoy anchorage looks very real indeed - hope to copy your idea sometime.
Also, I've been wondering about the flags you have on the hoists - Port side CJD and Stbd side NHG - Do they have specific meanings? (just curious about them).
Ray.
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Hi Lou;
Thanks a lot for your :-)) :-)) on my posting of mooring buoys. :-)) :-))
Kiyo
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Hi Tworrs;
So glad to have your nice comment on my mooring buoys. %% %%
Kiyo
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Hi Ray;
I'm so happy to have your comment on my posting of mooring buoys.
I would like you to introduce mooring buoys into your model boating activities as you have a nice anchorage system
on your recently completed splendid Huntsman spent to build for 4 and a half years. !! :-)) :-)) :-))
The mooring buoys will possibly contribute to add another pleasure to the boating,especially for your Huntsman.!!
As for the flags,I just followed a certain Japanese professional modeler who did this style many years ago so that I did not know the meaning at all,though to my shame. :D :D I myself am rather eager to know what the flags mean!! {-) :embarrassed: %%
Kiyo
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What did you use for your buoys Kiyo? It almost looks like you stole one of your wife's kitchen canister1
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Hi Lou;
wohaha- You must be joking.! She still have lots of the empty canisters of foods on the shelf of the kitchen now.
One day in the past she asked me if I should use those canisters for my hobby work as she would have piled them up to the extent that she must have abandoned, and I worked up to make the buoys partly because I had already felt the necessity of some kind of mooring methods when I got Snowberry on the water. O0
Kiyo
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Hi Ray;
I'm so happy to have your comment on my posting of mooring buoys.
I would like you to introduce mooring buoys into your model boating activities as you have a nice anchorage system
on your recently completed splendid Huntsman spent to build for 4 and a half years. !! :-)) :-)) :-))
The mooring buoys will possibly contribute to add another pleasure to the boating,especially for your Huntsman.!!
As for the flags,I just followed a certain Japanese professional modeler who did this style many years ago so that I did not know the meaning at all,though to my shame. :D :D I myself am rather eager to
know what the flags mean!! {-) :embarrassed: %%
Flags on their own meaning, these are RN versions and not as per international flags.
C Affirmative
J Semaphore Message
D Degaussing
N Your Movement not understood
H Helicopter Operations in progress.
Q Boat recall
Hope this is of use.
Bob
Kiyo
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Hi Bob;
Thanks to your kind explanation of RN signal flags,I could come to understand the meaning of them.
Kiyo
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Hi all;
While I made a test of mooring buoys the other day,I also made a bit high speed test run of the ship since she has not yet
been completely tested as a RC working scale model ship suitable for our lake.
It was a bit windy in the course of the run and she conducted a bit unstable sometimes in the run.
This is the first experience for her to run in the a bit wavy surface and I changed the water line this time to lower level
to get her to resemble the real ship.But this water line is possibly one of the reasons to get her a bit unstable.
In the next trial run,I intend to make a bit deeper water line as well as the ballast adjustment.
However,I fundamentally understand this level of unstableness is to be acceptable for me,though.... O0
Seeking for a better scale realism of movement on the water..... {-) {-) %% :embarrassed:
The video shows the third trial run.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWEDAVnQuFU
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I am not certain what you are looking for in operation Kiyo. Your boat looks quite stable to me, and I know for a fact that the 1/72 Corvette can easily take much rougher water than that!
If anything it looks to me that you may have her ballasted a little deep in the bow. I personally would run the bow a little higher. To me this would not only look more realistic but allow her to take heavy seas a little easier.
Trust what you see and worry a little less that your boat not stable, it is running quite nicely and is fully capable of MUCH more!
Lou
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Hi Lou;
Thank you so much for your comment and encouragement in favor.
I am a bit disappointed with very tiny up and down of bow seen frequently which does not look smoothly straight forward..
I understand this phenomenon is partly from a bit rough water, as this was not seen in the last two sailings on the mirror-like surface.... {:-{
In the next run on a rough water,if the phenomenon should not be resolved regardless of my countermeasures, I will give it up perhaps. :-))
Kiyo
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If I understand you correctly then you are talking about a normal and desirable action of the ship when moving through water that is not perfectly smooth. Not only will the wave action raise the waterline as the ship goes through it and the added "flotation' cause the bow to raise to the crest of the wave, but the following trough or low point of the wave as it passes will decrease the buoyancy, starting at the bow, and cause the bow to drop and if the next wave is close enough the bow will cut into it even harder before it starts raising again. The faster the ship is going the more pronounced this is. The flare at the bow of ships is designed to help combat this "plunge" by helping force the bow back up sooner and throwing the water to the side instead of letting come up on the deck. The Flower Corvettes did not have that much flair on the bow to begin with and tended to plow through the waves compared to many other ships. This was slightly improved with changes made in the extended forecastle modifications that also gave slightly more flare and rake to the bow. It was further improved with the Castle Class Corvettes that followed.
In short, what I am trying to say is that the bounce you see at the bow in rougher water is normal and beneficial to the ship's movement. If you were to slow down your filming speed to slow motion it would look exactly like the real ship running in rough water.
Hope that makes some kind of sense to you.
Lou
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this vessel could take waves 5 to 6 times this height - yes a little disconcerting - but think of it this way - its a SCALE model warship where everything is 1:72 the size of the original and time is not scaled down either, so the actual movements are much faster than would be if time was scaled down as well
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Hi Lou;
I have studied your description on a characteristics of Flower class corvettes against the waves deeply, partly referring to
my English Japanese dictionary and could have understood very much that the movement of my Snowberry is not abnormal
at higher speed on the rougher water.
From now on,I will try not to care so much about the tiny bounce of bow that have made me offensive... >:-o {:-{ >>:-( {-)
Thanks for your courteous explanation.! :-))
Kiyo
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Hi warspite;
Thank you for your kind comment.
Yes,1/72 against 1/1. This may be possibly one aspect or cause to make the scale model ship difficult to get it to simulate the real ship, of which I have always thought on how or what I should do to simulate a scale-like sailing on the water.!! :D O0 {-)
Kiyo
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Sorry you had to go to a dictionary Kiyo. I tried to use as simple an explanation as I knew how. Possibly warspite did better as he said almost the same thing with far fewer words!
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Hi Lou;
Please do not worry about the dictionary.
I just consulted my dictionary for only some technical terms which I normally would not happen to see.
I used to learn English,especially in the university days intensively,though writing ability of English I think may be so poor.
I always wonder if my own English in posting here would be understood correctly for those who are English speaking people. {-) :embarrassed: {:-{ Since I have never used translating function of my PC so far.....which is more humble to precisely translate what I do intend to say. >>:-( >:-o %% {-) O0
Kiyo
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Hi Kiyo
If I may say, your command of the English language is exceptionaly good, and your writing is quite understandable.
I have come across English speaking people, who's written English is barely comprehensible.
You are doing very well Sir.
Kind regards
Garry
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I agree with Garry, there is nothing wrong with your command and use of English. I also agree that your use of English is better than some people who use it as their only language.
If you were to try and get me to speak more than the one or two words in Japanese that I have managed to pick up over the last 72 years then you would have a REAL laugh! Like almost all Americans I am completely illiterate in ANY other language. Now if you talked to my daughter I am almost certain she would do better but she has been living in Japan for almost fifteen years now! Her son, is I am almost certain, fluent in both English and Japanese. :-))
Lou
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Hi Garry;
I'm so much delighted at your complimentary comment on my writing English ability which I think is and sounds most honorable for me, and also may feel much happier to have that level of praise than even to have the same level praise on my model ships.!! {-) {-) :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :D :-)) :-)) Oh,excuse me,!!
Anyhow I do greatly appreciate your kind comment on my English this time.!! :-)) :-)) :-))
Well then, I have to study English much harder from now on rather than to make a model ship.!! {-) {-) O0 :embarrassed:
Kiyo
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Hi Lou;
You and all English speaking people are very happy since the language has actually been an international language for many
years in the world currently unlike Japanese.... :-)) :-)) :-))
There is actually no need for you to study foreign languages at all, wherever you go English could be seen easily or flooded by which you will have a great advantage of whatever you do in foreign countries.
Take Japan for instance,English has been treated actually "as the same as" Japanese everywhere across the country for many years up to today.!!! {-)
Kiyo
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Just to add a bit more to the flags, although the three you showed on their own have a meaning hoisted as in the image at first they mean nothing, but groups of letters can be put together to make a pharse, this would be sent to all ships involved in the operation or exercise, for example, flags H W S were hoised, that could be, exercise over time for Sakki/gin/rum. Hope that makes it clearer still.
Bob
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yep could be your friends abbreviation for an 'IN JOKE' between him and his other friends, like LOL is 'laugh out loud' in text speak on a mobile / cell phone, so CJDNHQ could be that he was saying some phrase that makes fun of others who cannot build to his standard or more than likely a set of letters that identifies his models like we put a short name to our forum name like I am warspite, i could have that in 6 flags on my vessel.
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That's a good idea warspite - mine would be on 2 separate hoists.
Note : the bottom flag on stbd side of Kiyo's model is G (NHG)
Ray.
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Like Kiyo - I dont know my flags off by heart, took it from an earlier post that it was a Q, but yes you could id your own boats with the set of flags that is only on your boats.
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Hi all;
I had a very splendid time today with this corvette under an early summer sky. %%
See more details in Model boating column above. :-))
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Good seeing you out having a good time with your corvette Kiyo.
Weather here thinks it is still winter. Cold and wet! :o Should be interesting, our annual regatta is in a few weeks.
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Hi Lou:
A great thanks for always warm comments on my postings. :-)) :-))
I feel actually to have entered into the real MID-summer already with the air temperature of 33 degrees C(91.4 degrees F)
here in Tokyo though it's still May. We used to feel early summer in this period... {:-{
We normally will get into rainy season from early June through late July,during which there would be less chances to go for RC boating. Instead, after that period we will have mid-summer until early September for about two months when will be around
86 degrees F through 98 degrees F and everything becomes tooo hot.!!!!! That's why I dare not go for boating in this period though it's summer..... :(( :((
If possible,I would like you to get your boating scenes right on this forum.I am so much interested in the boating scenes in foreign countries.!! O0 :-))
Kiyo
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We had a night float. I will send the pictures to you personally. Even though I am signed in and have saved the pictures this site is still demanding that I sign in again with some account and whatever I do it rejects it. >>:-(
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Hi Lou;
Ok, I understand your situations surrounded by such difficulties. I don't care what means you may use for showing your style of enjoying RC boating at all.!! ♩～♫～♬～(^^♪
Kiyo
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Mayhem's Photo of the Month, June 2022: https://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,66535.msg740257.html#msg740257
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Congratulations Kiyo. Well deserved on the photo.
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YES Kiyo congrats on your photo
chris :-))
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Hi Martin;
A great thanks for your notice of Mayhem's photo of the month in which my Snowberry has been moored under the blue sky. %% :embarrassed: :-))
It's really interesting to enjoy RC boating on the water under the nice weather,though our country has already entered into so called rainy season typical to Japan to continue normally for 1.5 months. {:-{ <:(
Kiyo
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Hi Lou;
I'm so pleased to know that my specially favorite scene of Snowberry moored under the blue sky has been taken up in the Mayhem's photo of the month. :-)) ♩～♫～♬～(^^♪ %%
Kiyo
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Hi Chris;
Thank you so much for your comment.!! :-))
After the rainy season in Japan,I am intending to get my 1/96 HMS Fencer into regular service on the water once a month,if possible. O0 :D Currently she has been calmly sleeping on the bed for more than 1.5 years.
I have to get her awaken within this month from deep and long sleeping to check her conditions and go for regular sailings. :-)) {-)
Kiyo
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Very nice :-))
What do you use to rap your models?
as it looks really good at keeping the dust out. :-))
Dave:)
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Hi Dave;
Thank you for your comment.
As you know,the warship model is generally hard to wrap over it due to its delicacy.... {:-{
So I have been just laying the warship model on the bed covered with a curtain as in the pics ,except cabin cruisers
which have been covered with clothes. :-))
Kiyo
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I have finished my building period of model boat with the Chris Craft Constellation 1/20 as far as this autumn,
and am now in process of checking the model boats I built for operating them through this autumn.
Pics for today are of those of 1/72 Snowberry and I improved the smoking system to get it to work stably on the water.! :-))
The system came to work properly for close to 7 minutes, but actually I intend to work it intermittently in one cruise. {-) %%
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It's your turn for today, HMCS Snowberry !!, to enjoy some comfortable cruisings on the water under the nice weather!! O0 :-))
As it's the first to sail in the past two years !!!which has been really sad for you...!! %% <:(
In such a circumstances, I took today the Snowberry to the usual lake where was warm with the air temperature 11 degrees C
and 1m/s north wind under the fully blue sky as seen in the pics attached. :-)) :-)) :-))
1; Boating site for today
2; Ideal conditions of wind speed and its direction as well as the surface of the lake and the air temperature, blue sky. :-))
It was really "the boating weather" and the next day is Saturday when is, needless to say, off duty. %%
3/4/5; On the water !!
6/7/8/9; On the table
10; The smiling skipper satisfied with the happy cruisings today. %% %% %% :-)) :-)) :-))
Are you enjoying the sailing too ?
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Well then, the pics for today are of sailing scenes under the very fine weather, !! :-)) :-)) :-))
Smoking test was so so but not satisfactory while cruising for me as seen in the pics.
1; Sailing with smoking from the funnel on a very calm surface
2; Sailing on the sea ? %% The swell looks much more realistic than my Snowberry ..? {-) %% {:-{ <:( :-))
3; "Hard to port!"...?
4; slow on the sea ?
5; Hard to port on the sea?? The boat looks a bit realistic as she is leaning outward slightly in steering.
This is a sort of natural scale realism in motion, isn't it?? {-) {-) {-)
6; To starboard on the calm water ?
7/8; Reasonable volume of smoke in sailing slowly?
9; Looong U-shaped wake after hard steering to port
10; A bit high speed sailing on the sea as if she were chasing an enemy sub ??
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Hi you-tube fans in the RC boaters;
Here is a video of my Snowberry sailing vividly, comfortably and smoothly on the water sometimes on the sea?.!! {-) :-))
Recording and editing a video of RC boatable models is another enjoyment, isn't it.?
I have been enjoying RC boating hobby in building, operating and recording my favorite RC boatable models up to today.
Among three elements of RC boating enjoyment of the above, recording a video is so useful and important to know and review sufficiently, carefully and repeatedly how the model boats would conduct and maneuver on the water against the weather and water conditions. :-)) :-)) :-))
In the video below, I inserted a very brave music to be able to entertain itself for myself in a spare time. {-) O0 :-))
In this sense, this will be the fourth element of joy of RC boating hobby for me. {-) O0
How about your style of RC boating hobby? :D :embarrassed: %)
If possible, watch the video with a full screen of PC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEShEPkgfYo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEShEPkgfYo)