Model Boat Mayhem
The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Working Vessels => Topic started by: cos918 on October 24, 2007, 05:48:53 pm
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hi was wondering if any one out there has a deans marine Celestine kit. i have one was wonder if any one who has Celestine want to exchange ideas on her
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That looks huge ???
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I went to Deans Marine site, but could not find her.
Is it an older model. ? I would be interested in her size as well, and also some details about her, including the price.
Ken
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hi there she is big about 160 cms or 63" she only just fit in to a mondeo . She listed on deans web site under merchant ships for wait for it special price of £625, normally she over £715 + all the rest. I am modifying her as she was brought second hand on ebay. put the best props on .prop shop props 5 blades 55mm this gives me some stopping if i need it. Fitted the second bow thruster this helps alot especially in the wind. going to change the motors to graunper 720 when my local model shop gets them (howes). Staring on that big rear door it has 10 hinges which i will make from brass so the door can be lowered. all so got some new rudders for her the robbe Becker rudders to be fitted . this should help her on windy days. slowly working through the rest. haven decide on weather to fit lights yet. She sails very well ,sail her up on ranock moor in the Scottish highlands once ,it was choppy and harsh but she handled it OK very stable surprising considering her beam
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well now its cold out though i give the old girl a make over. so cut a great big hole in her hope fully will be the entrance to the lower car deck. Though id up rate her steering gear.
john
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hi all well here's an up date. The base for the hinge is made and in of there is a good strong secure base for the hinge.The big hinge is made what a job that was 21 parts oh joy. The second hinge on the top of the ramp is in. Started to put in the hydraulics ram in . Next up is to make a Linnear actuator to move the rams. Will up date when that done but if any one has an idea all welcome.
john
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hi all been a while since an update . The door had a far bit of detailing done on it. Put in the supports for the lower car deck Could not resist putting in a few Lorry's to see how it would look. Got all the steering gear to fit not a lot of room down there below the car deck.
john O0
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here the Lorry's
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Very daring to do such a lot of work on a second hand model, looking very good!
How do you match up the paint?
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asked the original owner who told me all the paints were from halfords. She is going to get a full respray when all works are done.
john
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hi all. well here one of he hydraulic arms that will lift the rear door.
john
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hi all . The car deck is in. A new ramp to the upper deck was put in. The dividing wall that splits the car deck in 2 has been modified so now that its splits in two, because when its in it sits above the port rudder shaft making it impossible to remove the rudder. Got the hydraulic ram in just got the one on starboard to go. Stared to do some detailing work on the wall. Made up to smaller ramps to bridge the gap of the main ramp hinge. Stared to paint the deck a nice dark grey . Now i am working on the hatch in the car deck that gets access to the rudder arms . going to have to make this water tight.
john
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Hi John,
What motors are you using in such a big vessel?
Martin
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Hi martin. I am using the now no longer available protech 720 BB torque.
They run on 12 v driving a 50mm 5 blade prop shop prop.
To say it has a lot of power is an under statement.
john
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hi all well got a bit done to day. Made up and fitted the starboard hydraulic ram O0 . now on to making up the starboard wall.
john
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cos, I noticed the trucks on her decks, they 1/76 (OO) or 1/87 (HO)?
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cos, I noticed the trucks on her decks, they 1/76 (OO) or 1/87 (HO)?
hi ghost . the trucks are 1:87 and the cars are 1:72. She is 1:100 so i know there wrong. I have found a guy in Japan that sell 1:100 car foe a cheep price so i will put those on the top deck. As for the trucks i found one at 1:100 and it was one of those model that they use on on a building model to show how it would look and was not very nice and was very expensive. I still trying to find 1:100 trucks but no joy. But saying that revell and hobby link Japan do 1:87 RC trucks . I think it would look cool to see her lower her rear ramp on to a dock then have a truck drive off. hope fully in a week should have the lower car deck done.
john
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well heres an update . Finished the rams at the rear ,so thats the lower car deck done. Rub the hull down for painting and did not like the way she flexed so ripped up all the decks and the supports as the previous owner had not put in enough support. Have started to put in new supports once thats done a new one piece deck will go down there she get repainted.
john
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What's the big cylinder thing in the middle?
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hi there thats the actuator that pushes the 2 snakes that move the rams at the rear of the boat. if you look at the rams ,the end nears the bow you can just see the snakes
john
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I'm guessing it's a large geared screw jack?
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not sure whats in it . it was made to open windows in roofs. i run it on 3V but normal running IE window is 24v,it very powerfull . Got it off good old ebay .
john
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That's the best case of overkill I've seen in a long time John! ok2
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cos918, how well you disguised it into hydraulic cylinders!! Looks super! A funny thing is that on the boat that I work we have much the same actuators for controlling rpm and fwd/rev on the main engines. I took apart one that was replaced, still have the motor, some metal gears and a shaft from it.
Hama
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hi all .
yep martin overkill is the best way.
Hama thank you for comments at least the ram look good i was not sure of the results when i started it was one of those see how go jobs . Who have know about those actuators do you have any photos of your actuators on the boat you work on would be intresting to see.
Oh well after a hard day of modeling the bow + on side is done on strenthening beams. Have just started to put the foam in this hope full will serve 2 jobs. 1 strength and 2 flotation if the worst should happen. When is set i will trim it back.
john
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hi all well the foam been trimmed back. Very pleased with the results . Its added strength and floation .
john
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since i had good results with the foam i have carried on . Got the other side of the boat strengthened . on the bow i have added the tubes the anchor chains will run in then add foam. when set trimmed back care fully and how have a very strong bow and no room for water to get in. Have started on the next bulk head.
Got this RC tuck off ebay with the idea to drive it on and off but the truck crap so will have to have a rethink.
john
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hi all been doing a bit more while i am off work with this cold.
1 put in froward card deck / void , filled with foam then trimmed and add a wooden deck.
2 made the rear battery trays
3 put a limit stop on the actuator.
4 went to install the actuator and realized my plan would not work so had to have a rethink. Came up with a new plan and will test on Sunday.
5 did a float test and found that one of the bow thruster has developed a leak >>:-( >>:-(. As you can see there is no room down there now so not to sure how i am going to fix that one . might try smearing some black silicone around the joints in the thruster.
john
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hi all / actuator went in on th new plan and works a treat. Great to see the door come down now and then drive a truck off.
I have put in the cross beams that now hold the hull very firm no flex what so ever. The larger 3 gaps are were access points will be. There is still beams to run thee length o the ship put the cant be put in until the inside is done
I have build the mid 2 water boxes and filmed with foam.
I have put up wood paneling on the inside of the hull only one side done.
I have started to paint the inside of the hull white.
I Notice the rear deck was wrong so had to rip it out. Have started to put in new supports as you can see the slope down to give the necessary high clearance for the lorry trailer
john
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Hi john!
Just wanted to show the actuators on the boat I work on. In each metal box there are two actuators, one to manoeuvre the gearbox, the other to control engine revolutions. ( there are 4 engines ) My experience of the actuators is that they almost last for ever, we have very little problems with them considering that we have about 80-100 stops/maneuvers a day so I think your ramp will work just fine for eternity. I didn't open the box for you as you already know what the actuator looks like. Very interesting to follow your excellent build here, cant wait till the next update.
Hama
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WOW!! now that is a mighty build.. I have to say you are doing a wonderfully job. Please keep us updated with your great and mighty build, because would love to see her when she is done. :-)) :-)) PS. just love what you are doing there. and where did you find this ship at? Again great job man hope to her when you are done.
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Hi all. Hama thanks for the photo . It interesting to see that a part that is used in a real boat is all so used in a model boat . Doing a bit more on her tomorrow as i have bits gluing over night so should have updates soon.
AS were she came from . Well i got her from ebay for a good price. She is available from deans marine. She is one of the biggest kits the do. see link.
john
http://www.deansmarine.co.uk/html/merchant_8.html
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hi all merry christmass . Here the up date.
1. the supports are in for the rear car deck
2. the new deck are in , had to work out were the access points are.
3. Put in the new ramp from the lower car deck to the middel car deck. Not the new ramp is twice as long as the old one.
4. Been smoothing out the sides out ready to receive the detail.
5. steering servo is in.
john
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fantastic :-)) keep the pics comming
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thank you will keep photos coming as when they happen.
john
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Hi all not much.
painted the lower car deck and ramp.
Made the hand rail for the rear ramp.
Got the lane lines done
Next to do is to glue in the deck above and start detailing.
john
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Hi all. How I have got the mid car deck in and glued. I have started to detail the sides of the ship. Very slow work but rewarding . I have decided on lights so have put in 6 1.5mm LED white on the lower car deck/ramp.I have not turned my attention to the rear gantry . I have made the basic shape and now I have to detail it.
John
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Nice!! :-))
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Thanks Hama
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Hi all
Well got the other side detailed .Got some paint on the decks and the lane marked out ,so she now starting to take shape slowly. Got the number 3 deck done waiting to go in the led are on it to light up number 2 deck. Have just got hold of 59 5mm white led off ebay for peanuts . These will be defused via 10mm by 20 mm perspex strip to break uk the spot effect of these leds.
John
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will the RC truck fit under the 4m height barrier of the ferry?
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The decks and trucks are looking good together...
Is one of the Trucks RC? Now I am interested in seeing
your dock and loading bridge... ok2
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Hi there.
Ghost hi there not sure what you mean by the 4 m height barrier. I have a Revell 1:87 RC truck and have used that has a height gauge. On 2 Deck I had to increase the height by 2mm so she had clearance so hopefully all will work. I am waiting on the Kyosho 1:80 RC truck from H.L.J in Japan .
Umi hi there thank you for the complements . Yes there will be one RC truck hopefully if I can get hold of one As the Revell Rc truck is no good. As for the dock there is no design yet but most probably will make some thing like the dock at Purfleet were the real ship docks. Purfleet is just by the M25 were it crosses the river Thames in east London.
John
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That will be a tough landing to build... and you will need a
second boat for the opposite side of the loading dock. %)
Purfleet ferry dock... (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=thames+river+london+uk&sll=51.394493,-0.329247&sspn=0.111822,0.22419&ie=UTF8&ll=51.470811,0.250529&spn=0.003489,0.007006&t=h&z=17) no street view for that area... {:-{
What truck did you find?
All I could get a hold of was the Hino.
http://www.hlj.com/product/KSH66084-40
The rest were out of production or discontinued..
I would have preferred a 27 mhz, as the range is
usually better.
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europe has a hight limit of 4m in most places, and the herpa trucks model out to be hauling trailers 2.5m wide x 13.6m (or 12m for the shorter sea-can hauling trailers) x 4.0m high.
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That will be a tough landing to build... and you will need a
second boat for the opposite side of the loading dock. %)
Purfleet ferry dock... (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=thames+river+london+uk&sll=51.394493,-0.329247&sspn=0.111822,0.22419&ie=UTF8&ll=51.470811,0.250529&spn=0.003489,0.007006&t=h&z=17) no street view for that area... {:-{
in that area there is the Celestine or her sister ship...
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Hi Umi I have ordered a Isuzu Gigam as it has a 40 foot ISO container on its trailer and it is on 49mhz. I am going for 49mhz as I wont get interference from 27mhz or 40 mhz. Range I am not to worried about, 5 to 10 meters will be fine. http://www.hlj.com/product/KSH69286S
I am only going to do a dock for one ferry but it will have to be able to take Finnjet if she ever get built. I am thinking of a floating pontoon linked via a bridge to the shore ,so regardless of water level the dock will be at the wright height.
Hi ghost remember Celestine is a freight only ferry so she can take more height than your Dover/Calais ferry's. I know the truck wont be correct but that all there is so will have to do.
Hi Roberto there is only going to be one Cobelfret ferries in my dock .I don't thing i could do another one.
John
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Wow :o!
What a fantastic and brave refurb, one of my favourite threads on this forum!
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Hi Pointy . Brave some time I think why did I ever start this but I will get there one day. Anyway Thank you for the complements.
John
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Well a fair bit has happened.
Got the lights in on number 3 deck and made the lights up for number 2 deck.
well the frame/lift is made . Now I have to make a Linear actuator to push it. Once this has been made and tested and the whole thing works ,only then can I paint it and put the plastic card around it.
John
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Hey John,
Great build. I have a concern on your build. I saw you used expanding foam in your hull. I have seen in a couple rc boat that used that foam explode when the sun hits the ship. That foam expands when the ship gets hot from warmer weather even if its dry. You might think about removing it from the bow section which is fully sealed. Its such a nice ship I would hate for something bad to happen. I know some of the warship in the US have tried expanding foam with damaging results. I just wanted to bring it to your attention. :-)
Best Regards,
Sean
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Hi Sean. I have heard about this , So there is a 10mm air cap between the top of the foam and the deck hope fully should be enough. She sit next to a window in the work shop and there has been no effect yet.
John
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Here's the actuator that will power the lift. Still have to connect the motor and set it up.
John
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Outstanding work so far, working lights and ramps, the whole nine yards!
Are you gonna put in a working miniature bar for all those thirsty travellers? ok2
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Hi and thank you for the complements. There only one bar and that's mine for when this boat dose my head in which it does on regular basises.
John
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I have restarted Celestine.
Glue the lift in and remade the actuator with a new motor and gearbox. Bench test ok. Hope fully will test it it the boat in a few days.
John
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Stellar job on the lights and the lift. :-))
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Just found this build and read through it.....fantastic job you're making here and glad to see you've restarted work on her.
Good luck and look forward to seeing her progress :-))
Dale.
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Tryed the motor gearbox in the hull. The snakes must be tighter due to bendsin the hull not incountered on the bench test. the motor did not move the lift at all, gutted after all the work. Never mide. I have ordered two bigger motors/gearboxs from china via ebay.
More coffee thanks she will have 100s of LED by the time I am finished with her.
Dale thanks for the kind words.
Lift on hold till motors turn up about 20 day from now.So have turned my atachion to her main crane. As it is a small crane I dont know if it is worth bothering with motors on it. I will build it so it can be adapitaed later ie it will turn and lift by hand.
John
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Awesome work John, incidentally where did you get those railings?
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Hi Paul
The Railings came with the kit. Ron Dean will sell a set if you require some.
John
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John I don't know how I managed to miss this build thread - very interesting and must say you are doing a
great job on what appears to be a complication with the stern ramps and lift.
Geoff
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Thanks Geoff
The ramp works fine ,its got a slight bow in it so I might rebuild it out of brass and copper clad pcb. The lift has hit a stop now untill I can try new more powerfull motors that are on there way.
John
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Thanks John, when you bringing her to Bristol for a test?
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Thanks Geoff
The ramp works fine ,its got a slight bow in it so I might rebuild it out of brass and copper clad pcb. The lift has hit a stop now untill I can try new more powerfull motors that are on there way.
John
Are they gearheads John..
Theres alot of very reasonably priced gearheads on e-Bay..from 2-200+ rpm very high torque..
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Hi Paul
She will come down to Bristol when it done. Work just gone mad for the next 3 weeks so dought i will get any modeling done. Passing your place tomrow then passing back on sunday,got to go to wrigles.
Hi More Coffee
thanks for that. I have 2 1:100 motor gera boxs winging there way from china ,If i rember they were £10 each inc P/P
John
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i love this i want it
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Hello all
work has re started. A new lift mech was made and works well.
john
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Thank you to give us many photos and ideas. It's giving to me some ideas for my next ferry.
Well done again
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I hope to have severl working systems on board . Next up is a smoke system for the funnel. Do you have and ferries inmind.
john
ps you might find some more photos of her here
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=817609&page=9
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Life is all done and painted with lights in .
If the weather is good on sunday hope to do a quick sea trill to check stabilty , balast req , new motors, new rudders and second bow thruster. If all works as hope then I can crack full steam on with her build.
john
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Pictures please if you go to the lake!!
Impressive boat this one.
Good luck on your trials!
Hama
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Hello
Sea trials happend to day. The protec 720 motor worked perfectly . The beckker rudders make her swing very tightly. The second bow thruster adds a hell of a lot more turn. She can now turn a full 360 in about 12 secs. I tryed her on both 12v and 6v. 12v is abit to powerfull especially in close quater manovering. 6V better for close quater manovering .
There is a small water leak on the bow thruster some resin shold fix that. I need 12v for lights and smoke genrator and a max of 7.2v on the bow thruster . I am going to do another sea trial with 7.2v on the main motors. I am looking at ditching the SLA as the are heavy 12V 3ah 1.3kg 11.1v lipo 4000mah 300 g big saving meaning i can but in more weight low down. She need bilge keel fitted hopfull this will help redue the role.
Going to have a rethink on other working feathers as they add weight.
john
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John...your Celestine looks great on the water :-)).......and from the images it was a very clam day without much wind
You are certainly correct that repositioning the alternate batteries will lower the metre centric point of balance [lower pendulum effect] this will also reduce the speed of roll and visually improve stability...if I read correctly by going to lipo's you will actually increase your current capacity by 33% but reduce weight by a staggering 1000g :o
The above water hull is high in surface area so will be subject or sensitive to windage roll......post more images of her second sea trials.......Derek
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Hi Derek
We went sailing at Abingdon marina . It was a windy day but near the slipway were we sail it is sheltered. She can take a fair bit of wind nece one of my resevations of going to 6v for main drive power is the reduction in power avaible to get her out of a problem.
You have hit the nail on the head on Lipo as that is what I am thinking as it is a mazing how light they are for the power they give.
john
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Second set of sea trials. I have fixed the leak on the bow thruster . I tried the main motor 720 on 3 different voltages 6v ,7.1v , 12v and noted the Amps. The bow thruster was tested on 6v and 7.1v . On 12v she is to fast and on 6v she doesn't quite have the power in reserve req. at 7.1v she ran perfect and both motors between them pulled at full power only 3ah very pleased. Now I am designing the Electrics.
John
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not much to report . I now have a place were the speed control's will go. this can not be finished until the bats turn up. Hobby king are very very poor on there delivery , i dought I will use them again. [/size]I have order relays and switchers which have turned up. I have found a working anchor I like so thats on order. Started making the smoke unit made a big error so I am having to rework it. will do some photos soon.john
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The bulk of the eletrics are done and tested . The servo leads need tyding up. Mods done to the F14 transmiter . New smoke unit made and plumbed in .Been work on the mid car deck . I now have 6 lane meters LOL. The upper decks are cut and have several small internal jobs to do before they are glued in. Got the anchor winch from Germany made and working . She is a bit bow heavy ,may have to live with that. I hope to take her to the deans marine show next week end.
john
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Keep her away for the Custom & Excise people :police: ........they may ask about all that white powder {-) ...do you have a mini vacuum cleaner?
The detail of Black Art wiring is complex...but pretty tidy :-))
Keep us posted with more images as you progress ..............Derek
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Hello
the white powder was filler + fiber glass dust. I had just done some sanding prior to the photo being taken. The wiring stills need a bit more tiding ,thats on the list prior to the deck going down. Thanks for your nice comments.
john
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well she went to the show and sailed well. Decks now glued down . The process of filling then sanding has started . some work to be done on the front deck before any paint goes on.
john
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First time I've seen this build. Absolutely STUNNING :-)) The attention to detail is staggering.
Any chance of a video of her sailing and all the detail parts that move?
Keep the photo's coming & thanks for sharing.
Antony
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Fantastic work !!!!!!! :-))
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What an amazing build :-)) I will be watching this in the future!
The ferry looks like the Cobelfret that sails out of Tilbury? I've Been on it a few times if it is :-)
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Hello
thanks for the nice words .Since thoes photos were taken . Main deck has been glue down . New funnels add with the pipe work in side them to take the smoke , new lift and fan housing have been add. All work on her has stoped till Jannury as I need my work bench to finish off a dolls house for my Daughter for Christmas . I will try and get some more photos up . When she is finished I will do a video of her on the water with her toys running .
She use to run out of Tilbury but went on Charter to Africa for 4 years. She has just come bock to CLDN Coblefret .Not sure were her new route is . At Tilbury you will see on of her many sisters
john
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Hi All
well the dolls house that was in my work shop has finaly been finished and given to my young daughter who loves it ,this means i have my work shop back. Restart on Celestine to day. Some sanding and filling . Bit more of that to do then some detailing work down on the bow ,then i hope to get some paint on her . I can not wait
john
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Looking good John :-)) :-)) :-))
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Thanks Carl ,long way to go
john
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Hi al
finaly got a break in the weather . Was able to get some paint down .
john
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Coming along nicely. :-))
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thank you . along way to go
john
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Hello all
reworked the rear opening and the stern . Got the grey paint on . used fine line tape as recommened ,very pleased with the results . Next on the list of jobs is the yellow on the funnels .
john
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Looks like you will have that finished by the summer O0 {-) .
Tidy work :-))
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Hi Carl
I hope so .she is down to do 3 shows this year .
john
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Here you go John.........
(http://i513.photobucket.com/albums/t339/carlmtflo/DSCF6159_zpswab1fr90.jpg)
Celestine at Gothenburg on the 19th May this year, as seen from the Stena Germanica :-))
A bit of weathering detail for you O0
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Hello all
well I have found a way of reducing photo size on my new laptop . Good old Face book.
Hull has been painted and funnels done . Transfers added.
Started on the new superstructure and bridge .
john
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Well the weather was good got the gloss white done and even got the green done . Will need to clean up some of the edges when the paint is hard . Got the grey paint on the rear gantry . So now there is work happing on both end of the boat . [/size][/font][/color][/size]Next jobs Glue on the bridge vissor and fill the joint . Hand rails on the rear gantry
John
Celestine FB page
https://www.facebook.com/groups/884145855010622/[/size]
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got some more done . Good and not so good news [/size]Good news ,got the hand rails done on the rear gantry ,very pleased .not so good news .being painting the day glow orange over the bridge .done 4 coats and still needs more not pleased with Humbrol paints .
John[/color]
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Nice handrail work John :-))
As for the dayglow - on the Pride of Hythe we mixed Humbrol red with Humbrol orange and this seems to give a fair representation. OK, it isn't actually dayglow, but I think you will agree from the photos it isn't a bad likeness. Dayglow colours are a 'funny' sort - they never go on very well - either by brush or by spray - even in 1:1 scale.
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How did you manage to solder all of those handrail joints without getting solder or flux splatter all over that white material object so close by?.... which at first looks like a Penguins shirt..........:embarrassed: .... Derek
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Hi Derek
No white metal there . All the hand rail is brass and the gantry is plastic.I use plumbing flux . just in and out with the soldering iron quickly and only have a very little solder on the iron . Clean the tip after every two solder joints as this removes and old unused solder[size=78%].[/size]
[/size][size=78%] [/size][/size]In photo you can see some flux on the grey paint but this washed off with hot soapy water.[size=78%]
The Penguin shirt is a box.
john
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Hi Carl
Thanks for the tip . I am not pleased at all. I am away with work till Tuesday evening so I will see what it is like when I get back .
Handrails were a pig to do . Did it in 3 soldering sessions as after awhile my eyes find it hard to focuses on the joints . It get easer towards the end as the X3 1m long brass wire used in handrails gets shorter and easer to handle
john
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Done a bit more . The orange paint was a total disaster . It was rub down with wet and dry till all the orange was gone . I have just repainted the front of the bridge white. So hopefully will get some orange spray on Sunday. I am trying a Halfords paint. [/size]At the stern done some more on the gantry. Made up one of two little platforms that hang down from the gantry. Very fiddly and time consuming
john[/color]
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Very tidy workmanship there John........the detail is good!!!
Will there be any room on the pool for the rest of us at Warwick once you drop your Celestine on there {-) ?
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Very tidy workmanship there John........the detail is good!!!
Will there be any room on the pool for the rest of us at Warwick once you drop your Celestine on there {-) ?
I sure there will be a few spare mm LOL
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You have some beautiful craftsmanship in those handrails and the window frames look so crisply cut - no wobbly knife marks in the corners! Humbrol paints, hmmm, not as good as they used to be a few years ago. They have changed their formulation due to health and safety and although the paints look okay in the tin, they seem to be lacking pigment and come out more transluscent rather than a solid colour. I've found it makes no difference whether you spray them with an airbrush or apply with a paint brush, they lack colour 'depth', especially in the lighter shades. I have a yellow anchor roller on my build, it has had 11 spray coats of humbrol and the grey undercoat still shows through.
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I thought it was me , no orange in the orange paint very thin would not cover ,a new tin was a bit better ,as it happens I could use a few coats ,no detail to loss . The rest of the Humdrol was ok .
David
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on the orange it was a new tin .I have put it down to poor quality paint . I will see how the Halfords paint stands up tomorrow.
The handrails are a very slow process put once soldered they are very strong .
John
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Ok
Repaint of the bridge no2 . Paint Halfords orange day glow ,very nice paint . Good on you Halfords ,Humbrol take note. Now I messed up the masking and made a crap job . NOT happy so rubbed down and repainted gloss white with a Plan B in my head on how to do this orange strip.Got some orange vinal . Put the first bit on and look at a photo to check the gap between the bottom of the orange strip and the top of the bridge windows . DOOOE yes Celestine +1 of her sisters has a different orange strip to the rest of her sisters .I know I should have looked at her and not Clementine but hay ho . With vinal no problems just peel off cut a new strip and hey presto . So now I am happy.
The stren gantry looking good still a bit more to do but getting there. on the 2 little platforms from start to fixing on th gantry and painting 8hrs . scary how many hours we put in to our models
john
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Nice work indeed :-))
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I gave up counting the hours a couple of years ago!!!
And as for fitting railings and stanchions...........jeezzz!!! it does my eyes in!!!! had to quit for this evening as I was getting a headache staring through my glasses AND a head magnifier %% %% .
Lovely work there John. Re the dayglow safety panel, I did wonder whether you were doing Celestine or Clementine {-) - but I didn't want to say anything as you know these ships far, far better than I.
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Well the rear is done and the LEDs still work put the ladders on and did some mods to the hand rails . Not to sure how I will fix this to the deck as it is a bit structure
Working on the handrails above the bridge both sides painted and need fitting. Just about 1 mile of hand rail to go now LOL.Started on the main crane and lifeboats . I will need to get some more brass tomorrow.
john
Ps Carl I could have kicked my self for looking at the wrong boat
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Getting there John :-)) :-)) :-))
Did your brass stanchions come with the kit or have you had to buy them in separately?
For soldering, I have found it much easier to use solder paste as opposed to traditional solder. I don't need three hands now!!! The solder paste is sticky enough that when applied with a toothpick it holds the parts together quite well and I just have to lightly touch the hot iron to the wire for the solder to flow nicely through the joint.
I wonder how many others are manically beavering away in their workshops getting ready for Warwick? {-) {-)
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Hi Carl
I use normal solder and plumbing flux works well. I will get some solder paste at Warwick and try it . The hand rail stanchions are Deans ones that come with the kit . Still a lot to do and only a few days to go .
John
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Normal solder and plumbing flux works fine for me too! Great work John!!!
Yannis
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Hi Yannies
Thanks. Now i have a decent soldering iron I am getting better at soldering
john
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Hullo John..........ever considered gas?................I find it easier, quicker & cleaner and get a superior soldered joint that requires very little clean up :-))...Derek
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Hi Derek
The hand rails are soft soldered. My Iron gos up 480 deg C so no problem there . The roof of the Bridge is plastic . I thing a blow torch might cause a big problem LOL ,but thanks for the thought.
john
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Small update . Crane is all most finished . Just need rigging and a hook making and the jib support fitting . Started on the Anchor winches and deck fittings .
With less than 60 hr till show time I am doubt the life boats will get done and none of the 3 mast will get done .
John
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Join the club John!!!!
Board of Trade have told me today that I can sail for demonstration purposes only but I am not to carry any passengers due to a complete absence of lifeboats!!!! %% %% %% A lack of railings on the passenger decks might have something to do with it as well {:-{ .
Are you stopping over somewhere near Warwick for the weekend or travelling back and forth from home each day?
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LOL
same here no lifeboats . if we sink there will be hell on.
Travelling back each day as it is local ,50min drive
John
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Well Rudders are fixed . That was a pain to do . I made up all new link bars and soldered the joints as I was not happy with the old ones. Must have be in and out of the boat 10 times making adjustments ,but now the rudders turn smoothly.[/size]Bad new my expensive soldering Iron has stop working . Looks like the power supply in side in has stopped working . I am really "xxxxx" as it was only a year and a half old and had naff all use .
Prior to the show I got the anchor winches done
John
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1_lmzGiX38&feature=youtu.behttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tJOINI5gVw[/size]
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PuzGK0vv9M
Ferry sailing at the Warwick boat show
John
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Nice video, nice boats!!! Yours looks really good John! One question, how did you do the logo on the sides of the hull, is it painted on or is it a decal???
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hi Yannis
They came with the kit . The big Cobelfret Ferries is a vinyl and her name Celestine and the logo on the funnel are transfers
John
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Thanks for the info John :-))
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Well Took the soldering iron back and got a full refund ,So I say Thank you Maplins . I brought a new from them
Move on the the life boats . look at the old stuff ,all I reused was the boats and the winch casting . The boats need a hell of a lot of work and detailing . The davits and platform were are scratch built. I did think about making them work but it was to much work .The boat need attaching to the platform as they are only hanging on the blocks at the moment . Big problem the rear davit is over the forward opening so some changes are going to be need
John
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Hello All
small update . Progress on the Starboard life boat is coming on well.While I have the house to my self I have taken the time to re organise the workshop and sand down a load of castings for Celestine .
I have been trying a new of doing the hand rails . So far I have had real good results . First I put a little bit of flux using a dental tool ,then I put a bit of solder past over the flux with a different dental tool. Then just touch it with the soldering Iron for a few sec and then you get a perfect solder joint with minimal solder. So thanks Carl for recommend the solder past
John
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Hi All
been a while since I did an updated . I am working on her masts . she has 5 and I have done 2 and starting the 3rd . I hope to be getting the all the lights working. Since I can find any 1:100 lamps I have had to make my own . Found some very small LEDs on Ebay from China. Been casting flood lamps in clear resin with an led in it. The clear cast is horrible stuff to work with .
john
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well got the middle sub mast soldered today. It was original glued together. Took it apart and cleaned it up . I just reused the core of the mast . all the rest was made up from brass rod. needs painting .lights added and the wind speed indicator . Also made up 2 more lights
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Well restarted on Celestine . Started with the rear load ramp as I am bored with doing masts . The plan was to make the ramp out of copper clad and brass. Made a start . They the laws physics kicked in and I not have a scrap part started ramp. It has just warped . Not to sure what to do next. I have a friend who builds O gauge brass locos so I will ask him for advice . Some days I really hate this boat .
John
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Looks like heat distortion on the copper-clad board to me John - as it is a sandwich of different materials, the 'filling' has expanded with the concentrated heat and has no chance to return to it's original size because it is now fixed by the brass tube.
Why not try to either make it entirely out of styrene parts or entirely out of brass? The copper-clad can be replaced by a single sheet of suitable thickness brass - but it might be a tad heavy (but on Celestine, this may not be such an issue..)
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Hi Carl
Thats what I thought after it had warped .
I am weary about soldering again , once bitten twice shy etc .
Whit plastic I am wear about it strength and will that warp over time ?
john
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It is just a thought , is it soldered the whole length ,how about trying stich soldering ,in welding bar to plate our welder would start in the middle with a short run then work out from there with a very short runs on alternate sides .I know this is just small it could be worth a try. A dab of bakers with a cotton bud and a flash with a pencil torch might work .
only a suggestion.
David
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I am going to try plastic for now and see how that works . Will need to go to the shop and get some more
john
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I have just designed a 3D printed version of the stern ramp for the Norland - unfortunately, for Celestine I think the cost would be prohibitively expensive....it is a large ramp if I remember correctly {:-{ .
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Hi Carl
It is a big ramp and I am making it working. So it need to be strongish
john
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Hi All . A lot has been done on Celestine and I will try and bring this post up to date .
Ramp .
MK1 brass and copper clad . warped ,scraped .
MK2 plastic and plastic strip . warped ,scraped.
MK3 brass frame and reused the original plastic deck with the small beams . Looked messy .
MK3B Brass frame the add the smaller beams out of brass. Epoxied the plastic deck down . Epoxied made a mess. During cleaning up the epoxy the deck got damaged . Bit of a rethink
MK3C new deck super glued down . Looked good . detailed the ramp up. and got the finger ramp to work .
John
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more ramp photos
john
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more ramp photos
john
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Well made up a load of hand rails . They are all soldered . Made up X4 little platforms . Did the mast that sits between the funnels with working lights . Make up all the rear mooring winches and bollards. On the funnels add the silver top tubes . Tested the smoke unit and it works well.Added the mast on the stern and the Bow .
John
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few more
john
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John....congratulations....that is a massively large brass constructed stern ramp....I see you have also used square sectioned support material :-))
The stern support structure for the ramp is also a model in itself
I suspect we could all learn a few tricks from you O0 in heat sinks whilst soft soldering
Sometimes it is a necessary disappointment to paint brass work >>:-(
The weight of the ramp itself will not need any form of weighting ballast......will you have spring loaded cylinders as pushouts to take the ramp over centre?
I look forward to your build progress..........Merry Christmas.......... Derek
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Hi Derek
In the photo you can see the ramp sat on a marble slab. this did 2 things . 1 provided a flat surface to work on and 2nd a heat sink . At the end of a long soldering secession the marble slab was warm .
The ramp it self is not to much more in weight than the original resin one . The ramp is lower up and down by the two rams which are connected to a linner actuator via two snakes . The finger ramp works on gravity
john
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the last update to bring you all up to date .
The main mast. After a lot of though on which way to go plastic or brass I went for brass for strength . All that has been reused of the old mast is a bit of the sat com casting .
The mast will have X4 working flood lights and working nav lights. I might get one of the radars turning .
John
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Beautiful work! The level of detailing is awesome.
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Well lamps fitted. They were all tested prior to fitting. They will not be retested until the mast is peremently fitted. You can see the mass of wires 22 in total. The cables are held in with wire rap then super glue. The hold the glue has is poor due to the cable being a nylon type cable. A few little bits left to do on the mast. Work starts on the bridge interior. Have to do a bit of repair on the bridge.
john
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done a bit more work . Realised I made some mistakes on the rear of the superstructure so had to do some correction work . Been adding detail . just given it a coat of primer .
John
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Hello
well I forgot I had this tread .
Well I had to repaint and had a disaster. Not thats all fixed . Detail was added to the rear of the Superstructure. Built the control panels in side the bridge . Add lights . Done lots of handrails
john
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bridge
John
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lighting
John
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Rough weather sailing at Mayhem 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb1bTfMnhCY&feature=youtu.be
John
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That slow-mo video looks so lifelike :-)).......considering such high windage profile..... Derek
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Looking good, especially with the illumination. The bridge deck, is the floor really blue? Most modern ships now have a pseudo wood laminate floor laid, even in offshore vessels.
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Nice job on the lighting, it really ads to the realism! Liked the video too, she handled well considering the bad weather. Perhaps the camera on top had some bad influence on the stability?
Keep up the good work!
Hama
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Thanks for the kind words.
The weather at Mayhem 2017 was not kind . There was gusts blow across the pond . Given her high beam as she is a ferry she handle well. She tends to roll a bit then did in. I dont think she would roll over.
Still got a lot more lights to go .
Brian
dont know what colour her bridge floor was . just grabbed the first spray can which was blue and painted the floor . Looking in you dont see much of the floor any way .
john
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Went to restart work on Celestine . Thought must have a detail catch up of were I am on the electrics and were i want to be . looked at the PDF of the switching unit . common + switched neg , oh dear . Spent 4 hours tracing and checking the all ready fitted wires . knocked a few bit off ,more to fix later . After 4 hours found out a few things . One it wired switched positive neg common . This can be fixed by using relays . Second do a detailed wiring diagram and fill in the colours of the cables as you fit them . Dont chop and change colours ) .
so some relays have been ordered . will check these when I come back from work next week . Then do a detail wiring plan . Then start wiring up that bridge . need to find a connector to for the bridge wiring harness , needs to be about 20 way . might look at old computer cables etc .
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Relay board arrived. Spent a few hours on the web working out the connection. Tested it works fine. So programmed the RC 7 way multi switch. Connected it to the relay. Work fine. Now I can switch 7 relays on one at a time in asecending order.
This means the switch is switched negative. Celestine lights are switch positive. The relays will take care of that.
Next up is to wire this relay board and multi switch on a permanent base and wires and terminals
john
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made a start on that spaghetti wiring LOL about 40% of the way there .
John
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Well more wiring done. Started doing some testing and it looks great.
We have red white red restricted manoeuvring by draft
Triple red restricted manoeuvring by size
Green pilot on board
White running light
Port starboard lights
Four flood lights
Out side lights
Bridge lights
Still got inside lights and spot light to go.
Need to look in to multi plugs to see what can be used
john
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Been a while since i looked at this thread .
Tested the lights all worked well . add a few more to the bow area .
Then built a dock for her .
Got her ready for Mayhem .
there is a video of the lights but it is only on face book .
John
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went to the Mayhem show with Celestine and Finnjet. Meet up with Ali who had a wonderfull north sea ferries
John
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Next up had a broken wire in the ferry were you can get to LOL. This ment cutting the deck. Here I decided to make the opening bigger. I was not 100% happy with the wiring so it was all ripped out and re desigined.
Also the stern ramp was not clossing tight so I made an adjuster on the actuator
john
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next up started to redesgine the electrics and trial fitted it . New deck hatch was made with magnetic cataches
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Next up was painting the deck and Starting to tidy her up . Wiring was finished and tested . 3 secreat switches were added.
John
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Wired up the Led. Forgot to cut the copper track below the resistor. Leds went pop. Oh dear. Well new fitted and tested. Very pleased. I could do more lights but I think I will call it a day.
John
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Amazing work! Looks just like the real deal :-))
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Totally agree! Looks like a real vessel, well done!
Hama
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Hello
thanks for the nice word sWell since the last update it has beeen hand rails . I relly dont like them hard work but they are all done. Each one is soldered . Now started on the cranes
John
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Next up was detailing and adding cars. I use clear sheet and hot glued the cars down on to the sheet. This made it easier to set up.
She need a nice stand so one was made up out of some left over Iroko wood I had and topped with rubber .
The Stairs were finished off as well .
At The Warwick show her rudder broke so this was fixe din one evening
John
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A few photos from the Warwick show
Her lights really showed up well and her smoke worked well .
John
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She really look magnificent!
And that ferry meeting, wow I would have liked to seen that live.
Hama
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Hi Hama
Thanks ,she is getting there . I hope to have her finished this year.
This is the second time we have had a ferry slot at the Warwick show . They cerently pleased the crowds . It is great to see boats of the same type on the water at the same time . Hopefully in the next few years we will get more thanks to the hard work of Carl of linkspan models
John
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Some great images John :-)) ......we see with your vessel, the auxiliary engine [generator] exhaust sets down aft as usual, however is this an emergency generator [10" diameter] exhaust just behind the bridge?
Derek
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Hello
Not sure what it for. But it there on the real ship and there are air intake vents as well . Could be a Generator.
John
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Since Warwick been adding more detailing .
John
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3ZzlD1d3hE&fbclid=IwAR32zkZgmaafJYjUynzTQDsF4FpzJ1tcqiifa-Vn-0d6vD7zpK4qZY4ih9I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoSyfqehE2c&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR3Ka63b-Qle2nzhxlby8bP1jKE4MKCLUf8NXBuS1-ItuipG1ghEKkRXIik
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Those funnels are great! :-)) :-))
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I very much like and enjoy your build!
Just one thing: could it be your warning message is missing an 'l'? ("Propeller")? (https://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/konfus/a015.gif)
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Thanks for the nice words .
Had not noticed the word propeller was spelt wrong . I have to speak to Ron Dean about that LOL
John
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Done some more detailing. 6 small masts on the bridge roof and a conduite on the roof. Finished the Cranes off. Took her sailing at Deans Marine .
now working on the Jacobbes ladder
John
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Hello Small Updated
Been doing more details. Done some mods to the anchor chain guides I am having it so the port one is locked down and the starboard one is open.
Added the chains to life raft area. What a pain. Last made up some sort of water tank that sits on the roof.
Going to order some brass blacking to blacken the brass anchors
Still working on the Jacobs ladder area. Nead to get some green material to cover the balsa former
John
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Great detail! :-)) Where did you get your car and truck models? :-)
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Hi Cars are from Ebay 1:100 . made in China
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/50x-HO-Gauge-1-100-Scale-painted-Model-Cars-for-Building-Park-Street-Layout/121343185316?_trkparms=aid%3D555017%26algo%3DPL.CASSINI%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20151005190705%26meid%3D3de86e4e95f4492aad6d6d10daeefa91%26pid%3D100506%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26%26itm%3D121343185316&_trksid=p2045573.c100506.m3226
The Trucks are 1:87 Ho Scale . had them for years . They came from Howes models many years ago when the had a big batch of mint second hand trucks .
You can find trucks like that on ebay or model ralway shops
John
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hello
Here are few shots of her sailing on her home waters .
John
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Wow, very impressive indeed! Looks just like the real deal on the water :o :-))