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Title: my smit nederland build
Post by: MGrob on November 30, 2007, 10:57:40 am
Hi all, here is the progress of my smit nederland build. Have always wanted a tug and with recent restoration to one of my other boats i thought i'd give building a kit ago.

any help and ideas about the build will be much appreciated, cheers...

(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd237/mgrob/Hull.jpg)

(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd237/mgrob/S7300564.jpg)

(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd237/mgrob/S7300607.jpg)

(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd237/mgrob/S7300647.jpg)

(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd237/mgrob/S7300648.jpg)

all the best

Rob
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: Stavros on November 30, 2007, 11:44:37 am
Welcome to the forum and keep up the good work,and DEFINATLY keep posting the build as it goes along

Stavros
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: BlazingPenguin on November 30, 2007, 11:55:39 am
Yer doing well with the wee Smit....keep it up!  O0
One of the very common failings with this model is that people fail to work at filling the grain, time spent there will lift the boat above the chaff.
Sometimes after a period of time the ply deck can sag, I find that fitting some triangles....like the bulwarks, below the deck goes some way to stopping this.
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: MGrob on November 30, 2007, 12:17:10 pm
cheers for the advice, and more pics to come soon.

i have heard before that the deck can warp so i already have placed triangler pieces under the deck to help prevent this.

not much more to do until primer, will keep you posted
Title: Re: my Smit Nederland build
Post by: Martin (Admin) on November 30, 2007, 12:26:13 pm

Looking good Rob!  O0

NB. What is that around the hull bows in photoo 3?

Martin
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: MGrob on November 30, 2007, 12:36:22 pm
sorry if im gonna sound dumb, but what area of the bow are you looking at? and is there something wrong?
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: Captain Povey on November 30, 2007, 03:28:09 pm
Hi Rob, She is looking good and I will follow the build with interest. As I have not built one of these from scratch but only refurbished one a thought comes to mind. I am struggling to find a way of sealing the hatch on mine with out making it too ugly and I am keen to avoid doing a 'Tug Kenny' on the first sailing. I think it might worth considering how to fix and seal the hatch now before you go too far and I am sure there is lots of good advice out there. Cheers Graham.  O0
Title: Re: my smit nederland build - deck securing
Post by: meechingman on November 30, 2007, 03:57:00 pm
I'm restoring one at the moment, Captain. I'm off to work in a few minutes (got to do something while yet more paint dries on the deck) but I'll post a pic of how I've done it later tonight.
Andy
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: MGrob on November 30, 2007, 05:35:28 pm
the hatch on this tug has concerned me, and any ideas would be great.

seems like a bad design but would be great to see how Andy has done his
Title: smit nederland build
Post by: Martin (Admin) on November 30, 2007, 05:59:02 pm

Looking good Rob!  O0

NB. What is that around the hull bows in photoo 3?

Martin
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: MGrob on November 30, 2007, 06:48:14 pm
ahhhhh i now see what you were looking at.

theres no problem there, it was the reflection of the water from the pond.

Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: Martin (Admin) on November 30, 2007, 06:50:24 pm
 {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)

Martin O0
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: meechingman on November 30, 2007, 07:24:15 pm
I want to use mine for towing, and obviously the deck would just pull off!  :-\
So I put a wooden 'lip' at the rear of the opening, glued and bolted. The deck slides under this and is held firm. The next step is to add brass turnbuttons port and starboard, just aft of the superstructure. These will turn through 90 degrees in use and clamp the deck in place at that point. I don't think it will move! Finally, I've either got to remove the winch and bollards and replace them with ones that are not just glued in place - or, and this is the preferred option, drill through the deck, very carefully, into the bitts and winch and screw them in place.

Haven't done the turnbuttons yet, but I'll post some pix when I do. The bolt heads in both cases will be covered with black plastic caps.

Andy
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: bobinnit on November 30, 2007, 07:42:32 pm
Hi Rob, very nice looking boat, will be interesting to see the progress. ;) ;)
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: BlazingPenguin on November 30, 2007, 07:47:09 pm
You may find that rigours of towing will pull the stern, or at least the aft quarters clear under water from time to time, my remedy was to seal the hatch with clear 'Freezer Tape'...got mine from a chap who advertises on Ebay in the model boat section from time to time, but I may have his email if required.
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: MGrob on November 30, 2007, 07:56:58 pm
cheers for the advice Andy....

has certainly given me some ideas of my own to seal the hatch compartment.
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: MGrob on December 01, 2007, 11:36:46 am
hi guys, done some more to the build last night and this morning.

(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd237/mgrob/S7300806.jpg)
started detailing the bridge and finishing the shaping of the roof

(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd237/mgrob/S7300807.jpg)
the roof section took some shaping. but finally happy with how its come out.

(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd237/mgrob/S7300808.jpg)
also made the air vents

(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd237/mgrob/S7300810.jpg)
and made 1 of the 2 exhaust stacks

will soon be time to put down some primer and give her some colours

Rob  O0
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: Captain Povey on December 01, 2007, 02:58:09 pm
Hi Rob and all the other contributors particularly on the hatch sealing. Some good ideas there. Rob while I think about it if you are planning to make radar rotate it would be worth thinking about it now. I did manage to retrofit mine as part of the refurb but it was a bit awkward with the cabins etc all fitted to the deck. Cheers Graham.  O0
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: bigford on December 01, 2007, 06:08:58 pm
to all of you wood boat builders LOTS of sanding sealer then body filler
billings wood grain is so hard to cover up. not so bad if your boat is
suppose to be wooden but these are steel tug.

just some advise  O0 the boat is looking great
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: MGrob on December 02, 2007, 05:24:42 pm
plenty of sanding sealer at the ready,,  O0

i have also got the radar working now thanks from the advice from Captain Povey  ;)

(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd237/mgrob/S7300814.jpg?t=1196616112)
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: meechingman on December 03, 2007, 03:36:03 pm
Now here's a puzzler for me that I'm sure someone will know the answer to.

Having now completed all the refitting and repainting of the main deck, bulwarks and fittings, I'm looking at repainting the hull itself. The original owner sure goofed this, starting by not using a primer coat. Then, measuring from main deck level, at the front end of the main freeing port, down to the top of the boot topping and plimsoll line on the starboard side, it's 70mm, but on the port side only 60mm. Can someone tell me what this measurement should be please? is it shown on the plans (which, of course, I don't have!)

Cheers
Andy
Title: Re:smit nederland Waterline
Post by: banjo on December 03, 2007, 05:54:33 pm
Try these:-
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: meechingman on December 03, 2007, 07:50:53 pm
Thanks Banjo.  O0  I was afraid it would be something like that, so it's going to be a complete strip and repaint. :(

Next question has to be - what's best for stripping enamel, or should I just rub down slightly, prime and then spray?

Thanks
Andy
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: banjo on December 03, 2007, 08:00:25 pm
Stavos is the painting expert ...see some of his paint threads...

If it was mine I would use lots of elbow grease, wet and dry lots of soapy water and cut it back till the white showed through.
Then use Plasti-Kote spray undercoat then the MATT SUPER....
I'd avoid high gloss finish at all costs..

but I'm no expert...

 O0

TRY http://www.abcmodelsport.net/p390562/MODELSTRIP.html
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: Captain Povey on December 03, 2007, 08:04:45 pm
Hi Andy,  I was going to say that as a guide, with my boat on the table the height to the water line from the bottom, measured at the middle of the length is 95mm but Banjo beat me to it with a more accurate method. I am no expert on painting and there are plenty on here who are and a quick search of the topic will give you loads of info. For my own boat I decided that stripping was not an option. I was afraid that any solvent good enough to remove enamel would probably also melt the hull. I just gave it a good rub down and repainted. It was brushed on as I do not have a spray gun. Cheers Graham.  O0
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: banjo on December 03, 2007, 08:07:53 pm
Sorry Graham

I got the plans!!!!!!!!!!!!

 ;D
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: Captain Povey on December 03, 2007, 08:10:59 pm
Yes banjo I had a little chuckle about that myself.  ;)
Title: smit nederland plans
Post by: banjo on December 03, 2007, 08:19:04 pm
"We are on this earth to help others"


My questions is  "What are the others here for?"
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: Stavros on December 03, 2007, 09:15:23 pm
Banjo Cor thanks for the vote of confidance
Meechingman see  new thread on stripping

Stavros
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: Martin (Admin) on December 03, 2007, 10:18:48 pm
Link: Paint stripping   (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=7612.msg73532;topicseen#msg73532)
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: Stavros on December 03, 2007, 10:29:40 pm
OOPS now who got that one wrong  yes ME it should as Martin has pointed out have been PAINT STRIPPING sorry cant be right all the time ;)

Stavros
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: meechingman on December 03, 2007, 10:52:26 pm
Thanks guys  O0 - I'll do all the double entendres about stripping in the shed with SWMBO - won't get me anywhere, except out in the shed!

Andy
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: MGrob on December 04, 2007, 04:32:06 pm
i need to paint the inside of the cabin/bridge, but havnt a clue which colours are true to scale....

any ideas?

Rob
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: Captain Povey on December 04, 2007, 04:53:52 pm
Sorry Rob, I haven't a clue about the colours in the cabin as mine was already done and I think is just white. To do it now would be a bit like copying the gynecologist who decorated his hall and stairs through the letter box. Cheers Graham.
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: MGrob on December 04, 2007, 04:57:45 pm
hehe  {-)

yea, the windows are not massivley big.... i have made mine so the top of the cabin removes, as does the top on whicth the whole cabin sits.

been busy priming, sanding, priming some more...well you get the picture  O0

Rob
Title: smit nederland build Letter Box
Post by: banjo on December 04, 2007, 05:00:30 pm
Rolls on the floor laughing!!!!
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: cos918 on December 04, 2007, 06:40:36 pm
hi found this web site that has happy hunter now smit hunter on it . It shows the inside of the wheel house hope it is of some use john
http://www.tugboats.de/index2e.html
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: Martin (Admin) on December 04, 2007, 11:14:21 pm

Here's a few more ..... http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/Gallery/Smit_Nederland/index.htm (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/Gallery/Smit_Nederland/index.htm)

Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: meechingman on December 05, 2007, 09:08:57 am
Thanks for that link, Martin.  O0 How the heck did I miss that lot!  :embarrassed:
Andy
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: MGrob on December 05, 2007, 02:32:41 pm
some really good pics there....will help me alot

nice one  O0
 
Rob
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: Captain Povey on December 13, 2007, 09:10:56 pm
Hello and seasons greetings to you all. Having had a good think about it and seen some other ideas I finally got down to fixing down the hatch on my Smit N. The first picture shows a 'beam' glued and screwed to the back of the hatch under the hatch deck. It is positioned so that when fitting the hatch, sliding it back places the beam under the rear deck of the hull and stops the deck lifting. I am not planning to tow so I think it will be sufficiently strong for normal use. I cannot claim the the next idea is mine but is the result of a discussion with a very nice gentleman on the Droitwich Spa Modelboat club stand at Warwick. He is also refubing a Smit N and we talked about the hatch fixing. I think I have done what he was suggesting, so I thank him for that. I removed the two winch pulleys fitted to the two uprights at the front of the superstructure, drilled and tapped them 4BA and fitted two long studs. I then drilled down through the uprights and refitted the pulleys. I then made two bent latches and lock nutted them to the ends of the 4BA studs. When the hatch is fitted a quarter turn on each of the pulleys puts the latches under the front deck. I am still dithering about sealing the hatch and think I have three main ways to choose from. The first, favorite for ease and simplicity (if I can find some tape) is to us freezer tape or similaras  has been suggested in an earlier posting. The second is I think mentioned in the 'Stavros builds a springer' where he describes using Silicon sealer and Vaseline or cling film to form a seal which is fixed to the hull but not the latch. So thanks for that Stavros however I am note sure how good I am with the sealer (you should see my bath) so I may have to practice a bit first. Thirdly I have found a PVC strip which is used on old cars where the wings are bolted on. Cut down it could be fitted in gap between the hatch and the deck. It is available by the metre from a company called Woolies at a reasonable price. The problem I have with this idea is how to accurately enlarge the gap to fit the seal. Suggestions are again more than welcome. Cheers Graham.  :)
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: banjo on December 13, 2007, 09:47:30 pm
I am looking at the latch mechanism and wondering if you would not get a tighter fit with those springy bits fitted the other way round?
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: banjo on December 13, 2007, 09:54:30 pm
I'm thinking that I might re design the deck access on my re furb; make it like my Tito, with a screwed down, water tight hatch and the day to day access under the main superstructure.  Then I could have a raised combing inside there and avoid this water problem.
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: Captain Povey on December 13, 2007, 10:09:47 pm
Hi Banjo, Yes I did think that the other way might be better but it did not seem to make much difference as they are not very springy. I think your screwed down hatch idea good and probably the safest. Please post some pictures if you do it. Thanks Graham. O0
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: banjo on December 13, 2007, 10:19:45 pm
Graham
Its a work in progress NOT
at the moment I'm waiting for a Kort and some other bits and pieces from Billings.  Then I can get the running gear in and think about fitting the deck etc.
I'm playing with a Kingston moulding Fire boat, a Tito Neri thats not completely finished and this shipwreck Smit as well.
Did I tell you that when I went to clear the dust and grime off it in the bath, the glue holding the deck on all gave up the ghost.  It turned out it had been fitted without the extra flashing been cut off. {-)   (Umi said it gave it more capacity when I told her)  so that all came off.
The 6 v Decaperms were loose in the hull, as well as the shafts and rudders, never been fitted.  Brand new and dusty.

Ah well it was my turn to have a lucky find!

 O0
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: MGrob on December 28, 2007, 08:45:32 pm
Hi fellas,

not been able do much latey but started painting...

heres the progress.....paint still wet on the green so looks glossy, but used matt

(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd237/mgrob/S7300815.jpg)

Rob
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: banjo on December 28, 2007, 09:39:58 pm
 O0

Looking Good

 O0
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: Captain Povey on December 30, 2007, 10:40:16 am
Hi Rob, Well you have done a lot more than me at this time of year and it is looking good. Cheers Graham.  O0
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: MGrob on January 21, 2008, 05:45:20 pm
now xmas out of the way i have had chance get the old paint out

(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd237/mgrob/S7300847.jpg)

coming along nicely but still loads to do  O0

Rob
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: Marks Model Bits on January 21, 2008, 06:33:31 pm
Hi Rob starting to come together now and looking real good.

Keep up the good work, Mark.
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: meechingman on January 21, 2008, 08:59:46 pm
Looking good.
I'm also now back in painting mode, still using SWMBO's kitchen table (with permission  :angel:) so it's onions cut up in a bowl of water  :'( and a slightly open window to get rid of the smell. I have a feeling some of the Humbrol paints I bought must have been old stock. They cover OK but some of them stink a bit. Pix to come when I've done a bit more.

Andy
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: offshore1987 on January 23, 2008, 03:43:09 am
All the boats are lookin fab guys  ;D theirs some really nice builds on here
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: MGrob on January 24, 2008, 06:06:08 pm
well after working the dreaded night shift and rolling out of bed i grabbed the paint brushes and did some more....

(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd237/mgrob/S7300851.jpg)

wont be long till she gets to sit in the water

just need weather get better so can get outside and clear coat the hull

 O0 O0 O0

Rob
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: Stavros on January 24, 2008, 10:00:11 pm
MGrob tell me why on earth do you want to clearcoat the hull

Stavros
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: MGrob on January 25, 2008, 04:31:21 pm
i wasnt happy with the effect of the matt on the hull and just sitting on the bench the red oxide primer was getting scratched, so I am adding a semi gloss clear coat to add bit of protection...

was told to do this by a guy at last years model boat show at warwickshire, and looked good on his smitt
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: meechingman on January 25, 2008, 08:00:36 pm
I'm also thinking of adding a clear coat, to protect the plimsoll line, depth markings and white boot topping stripe.
Andy
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: Stavros on January 25, 2008, 09:27:57 pm
Sorry lads but a tug with clearcoat has no character little marks on the paintwork means that it is used and not a museum piece,or lest put it another way.When have you seen a Tug with SHINY paintwork.


Stavros
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: offshore1987 on January 25, 2008, 09:42:05 pm
Theirs a tug with sinnie paint work up there ^ ojoj lol

Imo it looks rather nice with that paint  ;)

all the best
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: meechingman on January 25, 2008, 10:11:41 pm
Sorry lads but a tug with clearcoat has no character little marks on the paintwork means that it is used and not a museum piece,or lest put it another way.When have you seen a Tug with SHINY paintwork.

Stavros

1) My late father's tug, when he was skipper. He had the lads chipping and painting whenever the tug was idle.
2) There are a couple of tugs over in Sydney that ARE shiny and kept that way. Pix over on Ships Nostalgia
3) Yes, there are some museum tugs as well! ;)

Besides, I've already got two that look 'used', I've gone for the 'just out of refit' look!


Chacun a son gout, as they say across the channel.

Andy
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: offshore1987 on January 26, 2008, 04:59:53 am
4) it adds a sense of class  O0

Sure is lookin grand
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: MGrob on January 30, 2008, 12:34:36 pm
thanks for the comments guys  O0

just to let you know the painting is a pain staking process but sure is looking good now...just waiting on the postman for electrics and some other small bits

and also my father has just got himself a smit nederland also, so will also post pictures of his build process too

all the best

Rob
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: MGrob on January 31, 2008, 01:58:34 am
just few more pics, sorry bout the light

(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd237/mgrob/S7300852.jpg)
mine on the left, and dads on the right...we didnt want to give them the same names so we flipped a coin lol

(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd237/mgrob/S7300853.jpg)

(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd237/mgrob/S7300854.jpg)

(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd237/mgrob/S7300855.jpg)

(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd237/mgrob/S7300856.jpg)
just a small collection of bits still needing to go on, many many brass bits to fit...oh what fun  O0

Rob



Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on January 31, 2008, 11:14:10 am

Very tidy. Excellent build.

What shade of green did you use. I like this one. I find the greens has such a variation, that I've been looking for the suitable shade like this one.

Cheers...ken

Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: MGrob on January 31, 2008, 11:47:26 am
i used Humbrol matt 120 shade of green....

not quite sure on the darker green, but both look good
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: meechingman on January 31, 2008, 03:49:23 pm
Yup, painting just seems to go on and on. Trouble with mine is that I can't (or more like I don't want to) disassemble everything, so there's been some damn fiddly painting going on. The hull and main deck's all done. I'm now doing the superstructure, working from the top down. So I started with the radio aerial, went down the mast and so on. Currently on the deck around the bridge, second coat going on tonight. Yes, I know I've missed a bit on the roof, that's for the fire monitor.

Shiny tug? Like I said, right out of the yard and as someone else said - looks cool.

Andy

Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: MGrob on February 02, 2008, 11:51:19 pm
gave painting a miss this weekend and started building some more of the fiddly bits...

adding window frames, not as easy as it sounds
adding detail to cabin
and finally got round to making winch as i have been putting this off for weeks and weeks

(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd237/mgrob/S7300870.jpg)

(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd237/mgrob/S7300869.jpg)

(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd237/mgrob/S7300868.jpg)
adding the fins to the electric motor....glue went everywhere lol

Rob
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: MGrob on February 04, 2008, 05:56:03 pm
few more pics

(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd237/mgrob/S7300874.jpg)

(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd237/mgrob/S7300875.jpg)

(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd237/mgrob/S7300876.jpg)
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: hama on February 04, 2008, 06:18:46 pm
Wow!! O0
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: offshore1987 on February 04, 2008, 06:23:13 pm
Looks ace :) cant wait to see some pics of her on the water  O0

all the best
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: Tug-Kenny RIP on February 04, 2008, 08:17:27 pm

Very clean cut and smart. Well done   O0

Ken

Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: MGrob on February 07, 2008, 09:16:44 pm
just a quick update on todays tasks completed

-hand rails port and starboard made, painted and fitted
-finished exhuast stacks with working smoke generators...graupner
-soaked rope for winch in coffee and dried, fitted to winch
and few more odds and sods

(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd237/mgrob/S7300885.jpg)

picture of exhaust stack with smoke coming soon....

Rob
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: banjo on February 07, 2008, 10:01:31 pm
What are you using in the way of motors?

Is there a "good" way of fixing the motors to that very thin part 37 Sole Plate?

I'm STILL waiting for my bits and pieces from Billings.   The reason now for the delay, they say, is because they exported themselves to Germany.

I bit of Teutonic organisation will do them good!

Keep up the good work,

Regards,

a very envious Banjo
 O0
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: MGrob on February 07, 2008, 10:06:45 pm
i have got a pair of torpedo 500 motors, and i agree the base plate is very thin

i am using the mounts tht come with the motors but will have to mount them inverted as the prop shafts enter the hull horizontally and the universal joint will not run...but inverted the whole unit will set dead level with no bends or variations so hopefully making running alot smoother.

just need to organise some batteries for the different lights and other electrical bits

Rob
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: banjo on February 07, 2008, 10:13:18 pm
Hearing that I presume your not running geared motors?

Cornwall Model Boats do a power pack for this model complete with gears.

I think they need to gear down to drive a big prop.   Mine came with Marx Decaperms, which have a 2:1 reduction.

I wonder what other folk are using?

 ???
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: MGrob on February 08, 2008, 09:52:22 pm
as promised here is the pic of my working funnels

(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd237/mgrob/S7300881.jpg)
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: meechingman on February 09, 2008, 12:24:36 am
Smoking nicely! "No smoke - no power!", as they say over on the Tugspotters Forum.

You use coffee to colour your ropes? That's where I've been going wrong, I've been using tea!  {-)

Andy
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: cos918 on February 09, 2008, 10:49:35 pm
found this photo on the net thouht it might be of use
john
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: MGrob on February 10, 2008, 02:18:45 am
nice one cos918 / john

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Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: Captain Povey on February 10, 2008, 05:01:23 pm
Hi All, My old Smitty came with no base board so I decided to use an old coffee tabel top that was thick enough to scew all sorts of stuff onto. There may be some pictures on a previous post. Cheers Graham
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: MGrob on February 12, 2008, 12:59:39 pm
hi guys....have been busy once again

(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd237/mgrob/S7300889.jpg)

(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd237/mgrob/S7300892.jpg)
top hand rails complteted, also in view is a map on the navigation tabke inside the cabin

(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd237/mgrob/S7300890.jpg)
front anchor winch completed

(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd237/mgrob/S7300891.jpg)
and some more deck detail

Rob
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: cos918 on February 12, 2008, 05:15:12 pm
very nice well finished
Title: Denton - ex Smit Nederland. My rebuild continues
Post by: meechingman on February 22, 2008, 01:41:55 pm
Well, I finally finished all the external rebuild and repainting. :)

If it would come off undamaged it did. If it wouldn't, it had to stay put and be painted in situ. (Cue the construction of some right-angled paintbrushes!) Anyway, she now bears the livery of my Haven Towage fleet.

MGrob, where did you get the decals for the anchor windlass and the oil drums etc? I haven't been able to find any.

Next step is the update of the electrics and running gear. The Becker rudders have been rebuilt and, apart from the motors, shafts and props, everything else has been removed. Motors are 540's so I think I'll be OK with two Mtroniks Viper 15 ESC's. RC gear will be a 6 ch Futaba 6EXA, so later on I can add a bow thruster, working winch and then get that fire monitor to squirt. (That's next winter's project.) I'll also be able to set up two programmes, one twin stick throttle plus rudder and one with single stick throttle, with internal mixing for combined movements of throttle and rudder.
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: MGrob on February 22, 2008, 10:28:24 pm
that looks really good

good work

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can't wait to get my baby finished and on the water

Rob
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: MGrob on February 24, 2008, 01:14:27 pm
well have started wiring up many many lights, gonna take me a while but did the easy one 1st

 ;D

(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd237/mgrob/S7300895.jpg)

Rob
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: meechingman on February 24, 2008, 10:04:46 pm
That looks cool. Internal lighting and nav lights should be straightforward enough, but how are you going to hide the wires for the mast lights? I was thinking about lighting but the mast light 'issue' put me off.
Andy

PS. Can you tell me where the decals for the oil drums etc came from please.
Thanks
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: MGrob on February 25, 2008, 09:39:35 pm
i have thought about the 7 or so lights on the mast over the past few days and done some tests.
I will prob use 2 brass rods (painted balck eventually) as a positive and negative either side of the mast. This then i hope will blend in with the rigging wires, and just run very short wires from the lights to the brass rods, and have the power running to them that way...i hope that makes sense.

as for the decals my mate bobinnit found them and sent me them via pc....here is the picture

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd237/mgrob/labels.jpg?t=1203975544

all i did was print onto sticky back paper and sprayed with clear gloss to help protecty from water, then applied to the boat with a external pvc glue that dried clear.
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: mook on March 02, 2008, 11:35:57 am
Just started my own build and came across a problem.
The deck appears to be about 8mm to long for the hull and I can not get it too fit. Did you have any probs like this
Thanks
 :'(
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: Shipmate60 on March 02, 2008, 12:31:45 pm
MGrob
Most full size ships have the wiring external to the mast including junction boxes etc, might be worth checking some pics of the full size ships mast to see the wiring runs.

Bob
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: MGrob on March 02, 2008, 08:04:17 pm
Just started my own build and came across a problem.
The deck appears to be about 8mm to long for the hull and I can not get it too fit. Did you have any probs like this
Thanks
 :'(

yeh i had the same problem, just had to do alot of shaping and sanding to make a good snug fit.

there may be a few more bits and pieces that have the same problem

all the best

Rob
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: banjo on March 02, 2008, 09:04:14 pm
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"there may be a few more bits and pieces that have the same problem"

Your right about that....I didn't count but I'd say more than not...

 ;D
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: meechingman on March 09, 2008, 09:37:34 pm
With all the painting done it was time to install all the new electrics. Futaba T6EXA plus 2 Viper 15's were put in, all new wiring and switches coupled up.

It took a while to get set up (and I'm sure that the TX can do a few more tricks once I've deciphered the manual) but it all works just fine. I've had to limit the rudder throw to 55% on the TX, as full throw pulled the linking pins out of the Becker rudders. The model seems to use the stock rudder linkages so I can't think of any other way to do this.

I have noticed that both Vipers emit a high pitched whine when non absolutely off. If this is normal for them, fair enough, but is it? I have another tug with the same sort of ESC (but older) and it's silent.

Anyway it was time for the bath test tonight. With the weights that were in her when I bought her, she's just a little light at the bow and needs a touch of weight on the starboard side to bring her dead level. I'll buy some of that replacement for lead shot for the angling shop tomorrow and put that in a small coin bag so I can get the weight just right and then mould it to the shape of the insides of the bow.

I couldn't resist giving the motors a little work out. Blimey, she almost leapt out of the bath. I've got a 540 in one of my other tugs with a similar direct drive arrangment and prop and kort type/size. That 540 doesn't kick a** like these ones do. I have a feeling that they may not be 540's after all. There's no markings on them. Is there a way to tell?

Anyway, she was a dry as a bone inside after an hour and her BP (Bath Pull) is impressive. Passed with flying colours. Next up is sea trials and I'll post some pix when they're done.

Andy G
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: Stavros on March 09, 2008, 10:57:38 pm
My Mtronics do exactly the same on the Happy Hunter if you play around with the trim I usually can get mine to shut up so to speak but as I said DON'T WORRY


Stavros
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: MGrob on July 01, 2008, 07:58:05 pm
well after months of degect i started working on the smit again....
some things have taken me away from it...lets just say a few more boats have joined the fleet  :D

got some of the bits i need from doncaster show and wings and wheels......pics to come shortly
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: MGrob on July 10, 2008, 08:41:24 pm
have started on the mast today, and some of the odd wiring jobs for the many lights...

will have pic of overall tug when weather better outside.....and maybe a pic of her on the water  O0

here is the mast assembly

(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd237/mgrob/S7301159.jpg)

Rob
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: MGrob on July 11, 2008, 01:50:31 pm
had her on the water today to test ballast.

looks good sitting on the water but them orange whales thought it was feeding time  {-)

heres few piccies

(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd237/mgrob/S7301160.jpg)

(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd237/mgrob/S7301161.jpg)

still got quite bit to do, but theres light at the end of the tunnel  ;D
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: banjo on July 11, 2008, 06:29:05 pm
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That is magnificent.

Re the mast and the "lamps"  have you put leds in those?
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: MGrob on July 11, 2008, 07:26:50 pm
no, once i started making the mast i gave up trying put bulbs in....but will have 1 working LED at the very top tho.

working lights will be as follows:

front search light
port and starboard nav lights
rear search lighs
spot lights on back of exhuast stacks
internal lighting top and through port holes

and nearly forgot mention working (smoking) exhuast stacks

think that enough

at the moment just doing all the rigging.

once all lights are working will have a nice night piccie
Title: Re: my smit nederland build- Part Numbers
Post by: banjo on July 12, 2008, 12:20:33 am
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There are some small brass fittings that go into the bulwarks where the tyre fixings go.... whats the part number for those please?
They are like shoe lace eyelets
Title: Re: my smit nederland build- Part Numbers
Post by: MGrob on July 12, 2008, 12:59:55 am
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There are some small brass fittings that go into the bulwarks where the tyre fixings go.... whats the part number for those please?
They are like shoe lace eyelets

i believe the part number is F317

hope that helps
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: banjo on July 12, 2008, 01:05:05 am
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Thanks a lot..I thought that.... and yours is a recent kit isn't it?
On the Cornwall Model Boats website it comes up as a 4mm brass porthole!!
I'll have to have a word with Malcolm...
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: MGrob on July 12, 2008, 01:07:18 am
mine the old kit....no markings on ply sheets, all had to be measured from the plans for placement of almost everything.

just checked billings site for fittings and comes up 4mm brass porthole
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: banjo on July 12, 2008, 01:13:40 am
 ;D
Its what I've come to expect from that company....chaos
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: bigford on July 12, 2008, 02:03:25 am
lets not talk bad about billings (it's not there fault the owner is a D!$$) >>:-(
Title: Re: my smit nederland build
Post by: meechingman on July 12, 2008, 04:58:29 pm
MgRob

That sure does look good.  O0

I chickened out when it came to putting in working lights, but might have a go this winter. Would be nice to do a night sail with her.

Andy