Model Boat Mayhem
The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Navy - Military - Battleships: => Topic started by: rem2007 on December 06, 2007, 10:40:48 am
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:angel:Hi everyone,
as I was a good lad this past year, the Birthday fairy gave me a RTTL Vosper kit.
I had told my partner I'd like this and since the tragic demise of the Airfix lifeboat ( no thanks to the cat!)
and this seemed to fit the bill as my current Bismarck build has a fittings launch sometime in latter next year.
So having never done a kit of this calibre I started.
Luckily, there had been a kit review by Terry Small in Modelboats a few months ago. So armed with the plans, instructions and kit set out.
I started having some issues with the instructions, ie. claritry of drawings, both plans and instructions, typos in the instructions and illustrations of mouldings.
I approached Modelslipways and they said it was not a kit for beginners and spoke to me via email in a business like fashion, as they do. Not wanting to be dismayed I plunged on rereading and rereading, driving the missus nuts, oh and threw the cat out.
Sooo... I still have concerns about the mouldings, the following photos illustrates my concerns.
The first photo shows the mould for the superstructure I received.
This I cut as per instructions, photo 2and 3.
And yet, mine looks different from the photo from the article, photo 3.
There is a ridge around the base of my moulding , but not Terry's
Anyone doing this kit that would want to inform me clearly what I am suppose to do with this, as there is trim to fgo around the perimeter and I do not want to take too much off.
It has always been my understanding that the customer keeps your livelihood, and should be treated with the utmost respect, ergo, you keep their custom.
Lovely day isn't it
REM
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oops
this is photo from article :D
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I have not made this kit myself but corrugations on the moulding are usually there to help stiffen it.
I think.
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Can't exactly see your problem Robert. As long as you cut tight to the edge that meets the deck. Lleave a 2mm lip to rear, side and back where you cut out at the rear of the superstructure and also a 2mm lip on the windbreak moulding you should be fine. If in doubt do the same as Terry Small in Model Boats.
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Hi richard, if you look closely at my moulding and compare it to terry's and the illustrated one, there is a raised kind of ridge up about 1/4 inch all round the bottom, I compared this piece with the plans and if I sand this ridge away the piece will be short and if I leave it and attach the 3mmx6mm trim around the bottom as per plans it will stick out like a sore thumb, ouch, darn hammer. just one of those things that mak you go hmm. ???
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Hi Robert
Leave the raised moulding around the bottom it is supposed to be there. The strip you attach is 6mm high but looking at the photo it is more like 1mm thick not 3mm, it might even be 0.5mm, I cant tell as I do not have the instructions or drawing just the magazine.
O0
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O0 an answer that I can take to the bank
thanks mate
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Robert have you checked the height of the superstructure with the raised moulding left on with the height on the drawing ? :-\
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yes I did Richard and there was not much leeway for sanding, anyway read pm. talk soon yeah, oh by the way sorry for putting thread inwrong spot.
REM
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Rem
Having built this kit and sailed very well I can deduce from my read so far that reading the instruction as well as looking at the plans and many diagrams is not your best method of doing things, what has been for many a very straight forward build. MODERATED
Model Slipway have always been very helpful, supportive and polite, email or otherwise MODERATED
Build it for what it is to the required instructions and not what you think, that way it might just go together. I guess you will be fitting a decaperm motor, 6 volt or 12 volt. >>:-(
When you get to the fitting of radio gear that should start another chapter in your build. Look forward to that saga?.
Sorry to be so harsh but it all worked for many.
MODERATED
The comments in the posting are uncalled for, REM was asking for help not insults.
Brian
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Well titoneri that was really helpful.
Robert is obviously new to this and can obviously do with some real help and I dont think you taking the p*ss out of him is what is needed.
It's people with your attitude that drives newcomers away from this hobby which is not what we need at all. >:(
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I agree.
I applogise but sometimes to get someone to do things correctly thus grasp the nettle you have to be firm.
The model builds well and the instructions are very accurate, even the reviewer from what I can see has followed the instructions.
If rem is new then with the information gathered it should be straight forward.
My statement about the motor may not be accurate although modellers do do funny things at times.
In my experiance if the modeller is asked to cut a straight clean line with the use of a ruler, 30% do it without a ruler or straight edge then turn around and say it does not fit very well and blame the instruction.
If it sates fitting is a push fit why do they use a hammer or pliers.
When fitting a speed controller do not swap or cross over the red and black wires on the wrong battery terminals oh dear I smell smoke... thats not a very good speed controller???
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well, hopefully one day I shall reach the dizzying height of a petty officer on here but until that time I shall follow the instructions.
I have not had the opportunity to get on in the past few days as there's been a death in my immediate family.
the joy i get from working on kits, and sometimes the frustration, allows me to use the few grey cells I have left.
I find alot of useful information on here, which guides me toward producing better kits.
I don't have a boat in the water yet. but hopefully come spring time, a fairly good representation of this kit will be floating.
cheers mates
robert
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Hi Robert
The ridge on lower part of the moulding is some times added for the moulding process. This is done to prevent webbing occurring in the corners of the mould. As DickyD Stated recheck the overall height of the mould against the plans and adjust accordingly.
Regards Rob
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hi rob
thanks for that info, think I have this moulding part sussed, I have only built plastic kits befor taking up hobby again this year. I am also doing the hachette build of bismarck, which is plank-on-frame. the bismarck is going well as you can see by mr. potatohead surfing, that was sanding down first layer of palnking. the build is going well, but has a poor reputation I understand. I for one, have had no problems.
doing the rttl vosper was a birthday gift from the missus and am now proceeding ok...I have windows done and cut out, spray ails attached and preliminary rc install done. may check out the propulsion system over the holidays.
will post pics soon
robert
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O0burning the midnight oil again, hey wasn't there a band from austrailia called that! anyway here are the promise photo.
any constructive criticism would be gratefully accepted....note to self, must build stand.
robert
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Looking good Robert O0
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Hi robert...another robert here O0...watching with interest as ive been looking at that kit for myself
its looking good O0
regards.....bob.
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Hi all and happy new year. It's been a rather difficult few weeks around mine, as we lost our mother-in-law just before Christmas, but still managed the presents, tree and dinner for the kids. But getting back to the build this week and should have some photos next week, just about to do initial rc install and tub trials.
Hope all is well with everyone.
Robert O0
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O0 well I got inspired this evening as I have done SFA lately, so here is how the superstructure looks sp far
and this is the esc from action, many thanks to Dave, which will be hopefully fitted for tub trials later this week.
PS our little guy won his footy match 26-0 on Sunday, shame the other side was from a bigger community than ours and they only had 6 lads, but still they played the whole match. I'm sure our side will have a disaster yet.
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doh :D
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Rem2007,
does your camera date need resetting or are you a time traveller? :D
Good work by the way
Doug
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thanks and I'm a time traveler, I must be to be living in such disparaging times as these
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Hi Rob
As stated elsewere looking good. What running gear are you planning to use? I suggest a speed 400 motor on 7.2volts, should be just right O0.
Regards Rob.
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hello namesake,
I'm going with th exact drive system as described in the build review in modelboats... november07, odd saying o7 anyway, using supplied motor from kit, a condor 10/2 esc supplied by ACTION and 7.2 battery pack supplied by the Component Shop, never been to Wales yet, sounds nice.
getting alot of guidance from the review and others here.....cheers for your suggestions
robert O0
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Hi Robert
Looking forward to hearing about your sea trials. :) In the mean time you know where we are. O0
Regards Rob.
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Hi Rob
should get everything fitted this week and give her ago by the end of the week. got a little sidetracked with new pc and booking a holiday for us, and no kiddies, yippeee...looking forward to some custard apples and madiera wine
robert
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ok lets try again I had to install image resizer as we have new pc with vista and was successful.
so as promised here are a few pics of the rttl vosper, awaiting seatrials and stand. couple of questions, 1, as there is a retaining tonge attached inside the cabin it limits spce to install windows, are the windows fitted from the interior or exterior, not mentioned in instructions, and 2, also not mentioned, are there windows fited in the winch house. remember I'm still a newbie!
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Hi Robert
The windows are glazed from the inside.
Winch house has windows glazed side and front.
Looking good. O0
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Thanks Richard! O0
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Hi Richard,
This first pic shows my dilemma. The locking tongue which is glued in place impedes fitting windows from interior. And I know what your about to say, where there is awill there is a way.
And the second photo shows the mast strucutre not fitted yet.
Any suggetions working around this locking tongue.
Robert
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Robert can you place your glazing over the window openings on the inside and then hold them in position while you go round the outer edge with Plasweld.
Failing that, can you get the locking tongue out again, fix the window glazing and then refix the tongue. :-\
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Just did primer coat for hull, looking good so far will do some update pics and post this pm, could not have done this without the support of you chaps, cheers! O0
Robert
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Tipping it out now and they say snow, in March! :D Anyway, guess I'll get on with some fiddly painting.
Here are the updates I promised.
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Looking good Robert. You managed the windows then ?
Catch you later. O0
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Nice looking boat Robert O0
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Thanks Kit, should have some more paint work done by the weekend>
Robert
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Hi Rob
Looking good. O0 What colour scheme planed?? Are you going the nice usual clean shiny route, or the unusual weathered dull look that no one ever does?
Keep up the good work
Rob
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going the clean shiny route, as it's my first paint job and build...so sticking to guidelines closely
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O0
That is going to look 'the mutts nuts',
Have you tried the RAF Museum at Hendon for information/photographs etc yet?
Rex
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Hi Rex,
No I have not tried that museum, just what I've seen on the web.
Have not done much in the past week, had a nasty man flu and our little lad had footy practise, then a tournament, and it hailed!
Oh joy, should have majority of painting done next wek, barring no more tournaments. At least they won.
Robert
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I am pretty sure that they have one in their carpark at Hendon.
Rex
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Hi Robert dont know if this is any good to you.
RAF Marine Craft 2757
http://navigator.rafmuseum.org/results.do?view=detail&db=object&pageSize=1&id=74357
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Hi Rex and Richard,
Yeah saw photo of that one in MB from last year kit review which was why I chose this kit.
Thanks Richard will check it out.
The Bunker is on Sky tonite, good film with Anthony Hopkins as Hitler.
Robert
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This one is a bit bigger than on the link above , I could not get any pictures to open so this may help I, I got it of a web site some time ago , may have been this site.
Fredy
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Also look at this site you may get some alternative ideas.
fredy
http://www.asrmcs-club.com/Picture%20pages/Pictures.htm
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Hi Rob
Fairplay to you about the colour scheme. I am looking forward to the end results.
Keep up the good work Rob.
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I'm sure that was taken at Hendon? Next time I'm there I'll try to get some close up shots if that will be of any use to anyone?
Voyager
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Cheers guys, any close ups would be of use, longtime no hear Voyager, you ok?
Robert
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Yeah I'm good Robert O0 Went off modelling for abit but I'm back now!
No more female distractions for me for a while, When will I ever learn??? :'(
Voyager
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Superstructure done with exception of windows and varnish coats, pics to follow
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As promised here are the update pics.
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O0Bath tub trials complete, superstrucure complete with windows fitted. Now to finish painting the hull and adding all the white metal fittings, a couple coats of satin coteand its off to chase the swans.
Robert {-)
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Looking good Robert, was wondering about the hull colour. ;)
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The hull will be black above waterline and red below with white trimline, per destructions. :angel:
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Well, all complete and ready to get her sea legs. Remember, this is my first kit of this sort since elementay school days and I've learned alot. Many thanks to all of you for your input, the fine folks at Model Slipways ( esp. Jackie ), Dave at Action, Terry Small for his article in MB and input and advise along the way.
Weather permitting we'll be at the pond this weekend.
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Very nice looking model Robert. Worth all the trouble ? ;)
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Let you tomorrow, going to sneak her out weather permitting O0
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Well, she passed her sea trials for the first 5 minutes and brought her back in to check if any heat on motor. Nyet! but when I put her back in for a photo op, the propshaft slipped out of the rubber coupling once under way. With no one else around I hit panic stations as she was several feet from shore, luckily the wind was in my favour and blew her in to shore with nada damage. :embarrassed:Anyway, went to Hobby shop and purchased bore collar to eliminate this from happening again. Wiil try again Sunday and get pics Looked mighty fine for 5 minutes though O0
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Another captain earns his stripes! O0
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Glad it went well Robert, what are you going to do with these stripes, that Martin says you've earned
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Well, as this is am all ages forum {-)....oh stripes! Whew, just more sewing on the kit I guess?
Promotions always mean more work. Bigger and better ! suppose, would like to finish my Flower class now I've got me sealegs back.
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Well thought I'd give her another go as the rubber coupling kept slipping, so it was replaced with pvc tubing, a little tweaking and off to another local pond in Paignton as the swan has become down right aggressive.
She sailed very well. I must admit I was expecting more speed, but nevertheless, I'm quite chuffed.
Thanks again lads!
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Attended the Torbay Military Model Exhibition yesterday and enter the Vosper in the Maritime category and won 3rd.
I was right chuffed and could not have done it without the help I receive on this forum. O0
Thanks again chaps.
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Rob
You might try a smaller NiMH pack e.g. one with AA-sized cells instead of Sub-C. My little 20" Swordsman uses a 6-cell Sanyo NiCAD with a Speed 400 and goes like smoke. You don't get as much run-time, of course, but you can't have both!
FLJ
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Attended the Torbay Military Model Exhibition yesterday and enter the Vosper in the Maritime category and won 3rd.
I was right chuffed and could not have done it without the help I receive on this forum. O0
Thanks again chaps.
Well done Robert, think what you could have won if you had known what you were doing. ;)
Excellent result, whats next ?
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Attended the Torbay Military Model Exhibition yesterday and enter the Vosper in the Maritime category and won 3rd.
I was right chuffed and could not have done it without the help I receive on this forum. O0
Thanks again chaps.
Well done Robert, think what you could have won if you had known what you were doing. ;)
Excellent result, whats next ?
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Back to the Snowberry that is up on the wardrobe....now that I have an inkling of what to do, loads of plastic in this kit.
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Rob
Be very careful planning your installation with that kit - it'll roll on wet grass if you don't get it right! I bet there are dozens of threads about building them; best research as far as you can.
FLJ
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I've done the Snowberry, but did it as the Saucy. Great little sea boat. Need any info give me a shout Robert. O0
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Ok , I have a conundrum now, as I want a bit more speed. There is a 385 motor in there now, any suggestions on more speed without going the water-cooled route. :-\
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Deans Marine Kestra motor with 9.6V 4300mAh racing pack fine pitch 2 bladed prop 45mm
Works for me and gives a run time of approx 35-45 mins.. O0
OK Robert
Water cooling is easy only two small holes, an inlet tube, an outlet tube, cooling coil and silicone tube. O0
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Hi Robert check out this link http://www.alwayshobbies.com/Store/Model-Boats/Radio-Control-Boats/Robbe-PT$915-Torpedo-Boat
This is how my PT boat behaves with the set up I have suggested, You might get away with a 7.2V battery as mine will just about plane with one, but I use the 9.6V because my PT boat is larger than your boat. O0
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think i got her sussed out now Richard, was looking at Cornwall model boats motors section and they do my supplied 385 MFA/como 5 pole, which has max efficiency at 12v@12,000rpm, whereas the 380 3 pole is rated at max efficiency on 7.2v @19000rpm. Clever lad aren't I, saves drilling holes in my hull, besides I'd have to cut a hole in the internal tray, not. Hmmm, think I'll go for a universal coupling while the logs are been sawn across the way here. And they say the forest industry is loud {-)
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...can't believe its been over a year since I first hit the water, after the brine incident, and frying the original 385, I've put in a Graupner 400 with mechanical coupling, the motor sits forward a bit but held in well with elastic band, but after a slow initial check on things it didn't matter as she flew right up on the planes at proper scale speed. Anyway, checked out the motor temp and very warm, elastic band even snapped, others suggested water cooling on another thread but for those who have built this kit you'll know the access is limited.
I was thinking of a bendable wired in harness of sorts and just keeping the speed down to short runs. Any opinions?
Robert
...well done to England tonite 3-0 :-))