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Title: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on December 10, 2007, 05:10:59 PM

Today I could not resist myself and decided to start the Boston Typhoon,  by Mountfleet Models.  The Kit costs £450  all in, and was an early Christmas present from SWMBO.

Here are some pictures of what you get in the box.  The fittings kit is the largest, and heaviest box you could wish for. It's not shown yet as I couldn't lift it off the floor by myself.  ;D

The ship is about Four and a half feet long and almost fills my bench.

Ken

Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on December 10, 2007, 05:16:47 PM

I have started on the fitting of the stringers to support the decks. This involves cutting and fitting 10 MM wood to the sides.

As the boat has bent a little out of square, I have made some brackets to clip along the top to pull it into shape, while I measure and cut the stringers.

Nothing is actually glued to the boat yet, as the glue on the wood is now drying. ( could be lots of rest time during this build !!)

Here are the frames set out for the night.

Ken

Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: barryfoote on December 10, 2007, 05:23:26 PM
Looks great. Keep the updates coming. I am about to start a Tug by MMM, (When it arrives) so it will be interesting to swap note occasionally.

Barry
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on December 10, 2007, 07:44:07 PM

Thanks Barry

Which Tug have you gone for ?

I couldn't resist going out to the shed tonight and have a look at the glue drying.  ::)

It's unfortunately spread to the backing board, so it's a razor job in the morning to separate the frame off.  Ho Hum.  What do other people do here ?

Ken



Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: barryfoote on December 10, 2007, 07:51:49 PM
I have ordered the hull and plan set for the 'Lady T'. Should be here later this week.

Try some grease proof paper to prevent the glue sticking to the board. his paper should just peel off when the glue has dried.

Barry
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: John W E on December 10, 2007, 08:21:43 PM
Ken, if you cannot lay your hands on some greaseproof paper, cling film laid out on the board.

Sometimes I use some 2" broad cellotape stuck down on to my building board and glue the bits that need to be jointed over the top of that.

Keep us well informed with this thread Ken, it does look a very interesting build.   Looking forward to seeing more of it.

 O0 O0

aye
John e
bluebird
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on December 10, 2007, 08:42:46 PM

Good ideas there. Thank you very much.

Isn't it weird ... you can't think of everything at once.  I was so concentrated on construction that the simple things eluded me.  Ho Hum.  More trouble to come ....

Ken

Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on December 17, 2007, 08:08:29 PM
Well, I dug the wood off the board reasonably well, but found it didn't stick very well. All the 'T' joints were weak and parts kept breaking off. The wood itself was very thin and would not take bowing to the curve required inside the hull from front to back. ( The deck is desiged to curve towards the Bow).

I have scrapped this idea now and moved  on to my usual supports. These are 'U' shaped plastic ( from the local store) . These I have cut to size and epoxied in tonight.  (see pics 9 & 10 ).

I spent the last week fitting the wonderful rudder and Propeller section. I must say it's a work of art in itself. A little bit of filing and it all slotted together great.  It's just glued in at the moment and will require filling around the edges to make it nice and smooth.

The Bilge keels were quite difficult. The fitting shape was in three dimensions, so a lot of filing to mate it up nicely.  (see pic 11)



Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Stavros on December 17, 2007, 10:28:26 PM
Kenny why don't you phone my friend who built one you have his tell no,or have you lost it if so check your pm box


Stavros
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on December 18, 2007, 09:56:30 AM

Thank you Stavros. I certainly need help. It's a very interesting build.

Cheers...Ken


Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on December 20, 2007, 04:28:15 PM

Gosh it's  ffffreezing in the workshop. Only managed 7 hours today before my fingers 'went off'

The frames have dried and the inside hull is covered in Epoxy. I have cut the first deck surfaces and slotted them in temporary, to get the effect

The steering servo frame is fitted, but not linked in yet. The battery compartment is secured along with a floor for the motor mounts.

Been working on the curved Bow deck and have it drying overnight. There is a little room built into the front wall of the Bow deck with doors that don't go anywhere. Thought I might put some lights in here that will shine out through the portholes.

I have run out of epoxy at the moment and wondered for a cheaper source than the little bottles from the model shop.  The hull is covered with 'proper' boat epoxy which takes nine hours to go off, and is not suitable for attaching anything.

Here are some of the latest Pics.



Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: barryfoote on December 20, 2007, 06:28:37 PM
Ken,

Still not recieved my Lady T from MMM, but thats the Spanish potsal service for you. Anyway I am enjoying looking and learning from your posts. The early stages are so critical. Keep em coming amigo..

Barry

PS ...All the very best for the festive season to you and yours.
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on December 21, 2007, 11:05:38 AM

Thanks Barry and a Merry Christmas to you too.

You've probably noticed that I tend to over-engineer my constructions. My 'ol Dad' used to say, "if you can't park a lorry on it, then it's not strong enough   ;D".

I find these boat structures sometimes a little weak so, tend to put a bit of bracing on as well. This latest boat seem to be everything above deck, so I thought I'd get the deck as best as possible, then I can concentrate on the mass of fittings to go on top.

I'm really looking forward to the main winch. I can hardly lift the bag of castings  :D.  This will be something to make in the warmth of the house while listening to the Xmas carols.

All the best

ken

Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: barryfoote on December 21, 2007, 11:51:33 AM
Ken,

Your Dad was a very Wise man.
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Stavros on December 22, 2007, 09:53:39 PM
Ken not being funny here but check your deck as it does not look very cambered to me and I think it should be


Stavros
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on December 23, 2007, 10:28:00 AM

Hi Stavros.   Merry Christmas to you and yours.

The deck doesn't look cambered does it ??. It's not secured down yet, and there does appear to be a bow if you push it down in the middle with the curved cabin assembly.  I'm holding off gluing it as the motor and electrics have to be fitted first.

I have enlarged the photo's you've sent me, and they are hung up for reference. ( so much detail is missing from the instruction book  ::),  these are really helpful   8)  )

Going to attempt the front mast today, as the Well deck is ready for fitting.

Ken



Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on December 30, 2007, 12:26:55 PM

Had an enforced weeks break.  I manage to slice my index finger through the nail and finger top, again !!!  I have the bits selotaped for posterity.

Really must stop doing this ....  I have found the ideal cutting guide fro 'Focus' DIY store. It costs £5.

Working on someones suggestion on a plasterer's trowel, I found this gadget.  Seeems ideal for running the 'ol' knife down the plastic.

I've also modified the mast desaign to run to the keel, as a stronger fitting, so needing a longer bit I bought the 12mm timber from the store as well.

Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on December 31, 2007, 07:46:08 PM

Today I started the main winch. It really is a nice design and worthy of standing alone.

There were loads of parts, all of which I fettled to nice edges and a good fit. I then made the base and glued the frame to it. Then I had a dry run with the assembly and cut all the bars to suit and have a few pictures of the results.  The plan is to paint as I go, to save splashing other parts, then I can glue the bits together and it should look tidy.

Ken

Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: barryfoote on January 01, 2008, 08:42:38 AM
Kenny,
Its coming along nicely and that main winch looks a great piece of kit with high quality parts. Check out my thread on "Lady T". She finally arrived and has been started. It is good to compare notes so to speak,

Barry
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Marks Model Bits on January 01, 2008, 11:27:32 AM
Hi Ken, that winch is a fantastic model in its own right...................Keep up the good work and I will be over yours again soon to check how she is progressing..

Mark.
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on January 01, 2008, 11:31:11 AM
Hi Barry

Thanks for your comments. Yes, I'm there with you on your build. Very interesting. I'm watching and learning, but don't feel qualified to comment on someone else's work.

It's great to get your teeth into something so challenging as boats, isn't it ?. How is your instruction manual ? Mine is so basic as to deny belief. Every route is one of research and figuring out. I'm getting the hang of it now, after all the practice I've had. You wouldn't believe the money I've spent on products and spare parts. I've also gone the route of power tools, as I do like a straight line.  ;D    I could probably build a scratch build just with the bits alone.

I run my workshop like my previous business stores !!  All parts categorised and boxed ready for use.

Today is paint time for the crane, and while that's drying, I shall have a go a tapering the mast. (with a lathe !)

Mark.  Come on over for your Xmas pressie.

Ken



Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: barryfoote on January 01, 2008, 03:25:38 PM
Ken,

Instruction manual?  It doesn't have one. Just a hull, plan and a few bits of wood. Still with your plan of research before actually doing anything I am sure you won't go far wrong and there are plenty of experts on the forum to help out.

Tip for the mast tapering. Break a milk bottle and use the neck end on the masting. Simply draw a sharp bit of the bottle along the length of the mast. Keep drawing it backwards and forwards whilst twisting the mast in your hand, till you have the desired taper. It works a treat and after a little sanding looks great.
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on January 01, 2008, 03:44:17 PM

Hey, that's a great idea.  Two foot of thin timber don't half wobble about at speed.  :embarrassed:

I've come back in the house, as it's too cold out there.

Ken
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: barryfoote on January 01, 2008, 04:17:44 PM
Ken,

It really does work too.

Coldin my workroom too, even though I am down here in Sunny Spain. Now the sun has gone down the temperature in there is down to about 10m degrees. Too cool to do any work......Any way the rd wine is good in here.

Barry
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: wombat on January 01, 2008, 04:46:01 PM
I tapered the mast on Sally-Anne by clamping the bottom of the mast in the chuck of the battery drill and using sandpaper clutched in my hand - took me about 15 minutes to get the right taper. If you use different grades of paper you get a nice finish on the mast ready for varnish/paint.

Wom
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tom Eccles on January 01, 2008, 08:05:30 PM
Hey Ken,
I am following your build with interest, that rudder assembly looks very similar to my Cruiser Tug also by Mountfleet. Good kits aren't they?

I think I am a wee bit further along than you on the build but you will be overtaking me very soon. I am lucky if I can get 7 hours a week on my Cruiser let alone 7 hours a day!.

I see the Typhoon is rated at 55.5ins o.a.l., the Cruiser is 45.5ins and 40lb displacement. I have recently removed the Buhler motor I had originally fitted and replaced it with a Graupner 720BB Torque which by all accounts has all the power I am going to need (if Stavros "rates" it it must be good) what motor do you intend fitting?

It is a good looking build

Regards
Clegg

P.S. please don't ask me for photos as I am almost completely P.C. and digital photography illiterate and anyway this is YOUR build

Clegg

Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on January 02, 2008, 11:49:17 AM


Morning all

First of all thanks for your comments.  Second, there are two mistakes in my typing above. I knew I should have sobered up more before putting pen to paper.

The 'Crane ' referred to above should read 'Main winch' and also the word 'Lathe' should read WITHout lathe.

Yes Clegg. It would appear to be a sooooper craft. I saw the completed model at the last show and was smitten.  I have decided on the Robbe 1000 motor for its quietness and power  (£35). I have read here that there are substitutes and wouldn't mind keeping the costs down if a suitable equivalent is around. ( Help, Stavros !!)

I'm going for the mast tapering of yours, Wombat.  The missus thought the glass breaking idea was a bit risky, with my record for personal injury.  ;)

The Winch parts are awaiting their top coat today. So can't hang around here.   :D

Ken



 

Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Stavros on January 02, 2008, 05:17:12 PM
Got one robbie 1000 motor pm on its way

Stavros
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on January 02, 2008, 07:34:26 PM

Cheers Dave.  Have sent my address.   O0 O0

Ken

Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on January 02, 2008, 07:47:08 PM


The Main Winch

Undercoated in Red Oxide
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on January 02, 2008, 07:48:26 PM

Two top coats.  Three differrent colours.

 
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on January 02, 2008, 07:50:34 PM

Tapering the mast.  Quite easy this one. More worry than actual doing it. Tends to burn the fingers though   ;D

Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Stavros on January 02, 2008, 10:19:05 PM
Heck kenny, I will soon be sending my fleet down to you for painting, keep up the good work

Stavros
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: barryfoote on January 03, 2008, 09:40:57 AM
Ken,

I am really impressed so far. Putting me to shame...Better get out into the workroom and get on with mine. Keep it up.

Barry
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on January 04, 2008, 04:39:15 PM

Main Winch assembled today.

I've not glued it all in yet because I want to get a good fit and maybe have the drums rotate.

Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on January 04, 2008, 04:40:45 PM

The Anchor winch is now finished.

Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: DavieTait on January 04, 2008, 07:57:38 PM
Your "trawl wire" is on upside down. The wire always leads under the barrels onto the winch when looking from above.

Apart from that the winch model is a great looking piece of work !!
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on January 04, 2008, 08:05:10 PM

Thanks David.

It's taken four days to get this far.  The view is from the back, so the ropes will be going outwards from the other side and coming from underneath. There are no channels or wheels to guide them, so I assume they feed from the drums straight out to the Bow section.

I would like to know where they go exactly, as it's not shown on the drawings or pictures that I have. Once again, I'm assuming they somehow pull the nets, but there my knowledge ends.

Hope you can help

Ken

Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: DavieTait on January 05, 2008, 03:07:10 PM
There should be 2 pairs of vertical rollers ( the guiding on gear ) infront of the barrels with a cog driven mechanism ( a connecting shaft to a fairly large wheel for manual guiding on of the wires.

Here's some photos of trawl winch's to show what I mean
http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/17068/cat/706
http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/17064/cat/706
those 2 show the cage for the rollers on the Forward Pride A367 built in 1959
This winch on the David John A169 is just a scaled down version
http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/17115/cat/708

The following photos show how the leads in a starboard side trawler went ( again David John A169 )
http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/17438/cat/708
http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/17436/cat/708
http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/17425/cat/708
http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/17424/cat/708
http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/17111/cat/708
http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/17109/cat/708

On a port and starboard side trawler the first bollards are doubled so the wires can lead to either side ( Forward Pride A367 )
http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/17082/cat/706
http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/17084/cat/706

In both cases there is a roller aft side of the forrard gallows right by the rail to lead the trawl wire to the aft gallows along the side deck.
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: DavieTait on January 05, 2008, 03:32:31 PM
Some more reference photos

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/grimsby.trawlers/spurs.htm

(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/grimsby.trawlers/images/foredeck.gif)
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Brian_C on January 05, 2008, 04:37:31 PM
hi ken these pics maybe of help to you, regards brian_c   O0
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on January 05, 2008, 11:28:55 PM

What can I say, you two guys.    GREAT responce. Super pictures. I've referenced them and will study them carefully.   O0 O0

It's what this club's all about. I'm overwhelmed. Thank you very much. Mountfleet Models got it right with the detail. That's why I'm trying to faithfully reproduce the model.

Cheers...ken

Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: DavieTait on January 06, 2008, 12:13:57 AM
Ken I was brought up going to sea from the age of 5 in my summer holidays on a side trawler so if there is any detail question you have just ask and I would be more than happy to help.
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on January 06, 2008, 12:17:48 PM

Had another look at it today and found the runners at the back. (which is now the front eh !!)

I had no idea where the ropes went so your info is great.  I shall run them across to the mast and up to the nets one day.

So much to do first, but am now prepared for the route.

I've painted the mast dark brown and it looks awful, so I'm going to get back to bare wood and stain it lighter.

I'm also thinking of a Bow thruster (before I seal in the fordeck) as this craft is rather long. It might make maneuvering a bit better in a small pond.

Ken
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Brian_C on January 06, 2008, 05:31:21 PM
hi kenny heres a few more that may help you with your build, regards brian_c  O0  just incase you didnt know,  the drawing of the trawl door is the for,ad one .
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on January 07, 2008, 10:59:03 AM

Brian.  Does the winch drum rope go to the Forward Gallus sheave and then up through the pulley at the top ?  I then assume it's attached to the fishing net via the 'Otter door'

What ropes are on the end drums of the winch ?  Would they turn when the drum was activated or are they clutch driven ? Are these the ones I refereed to as going up the mast to hang over the side and attach to the top end of the nets !

So many questions for a 'land lubber'.  The day I start connecting these up, will be the day the boat is nearly finished. ;D

Ken

Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Brian_C on January 07, 2008, 04:10:54 PM


Brian.  Does the winch drum rope go to the Forward Gallus sheave and then up through the pulley at the top ?  I then assume it's attached to the fishing net via the 'Otter door'

Ken

yes it does ken,                             the warping drums on the end are on a clutch and are used for lifting the nets and cod end into the fish pounds, and shooting and hauling the gear,  and also all other deck work, if my memory serves me right,   :embarrassed:   the last time i was  deepsea fishing was 1975 in the barents sea, north cape and around bear island, " long time ago" but i have many pictures that may be of help to you,,,, also a set of 10 vhs videos called  DISTANT GROUNDS,,, you can borrow them if you wish as long as you pay post n packing both ways, they are a hive of information for the model maker,   check out bry youngs model of bay flower on the forum, he used them and books i have to get the detail right and the end result was superb.  O0
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on January 13, 2008, 04:18:10 PM

I've been busy with the decks and trying to line them up. There is a curve from Bow to Stern, along with a curve from centre to Bulwarks.

I have made a new frame structure to support all this, so not much in the photograph department at the moment.

The new decks are made from plastic as I have scrapped the plywood. This should give me a smoother deck surface. There will be planking simulation on top, so most of the plastic will be covered.

I have fitted a Robbe Bow thruster and filled in the pipes nice and smooth. The 4.5 volt - 6 volt motor is a bit weak, I've found. I have one on my Red Pelican and ran it from a 12 volt battery. Yes, I know, stupid is my middle name. Blew the fuses and damaged the speed control unit. 

This time I have fitted a twelve volt motor, so I should get a bit a spin going !!   Probably throw all the fish overboard....  ;D

Now I've glued the rings around the mast, I realise that I've forgotten to cut a rebate for the wiring to the lights. ...  ugh!!   If a cut up through is not successful, I shall have to make another mast.  Great fun, this hobby !!

Cheers...Ken


Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: barryfoote on January 13, 2008, 07:13:01 PM
Hi Ken,

It does drive you mad at times....
Just a thought. Why not plank the deck instead of simulating it? It looks much better and is easier to age. Just a thought!

Barry
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Stavros on January 13, 2008, 11:13:54 PM
Ken give Dave a ring as he did not have any probs with the ply decking

Stavros
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on January 14, 2008, 04:31:58 PM

Thanks guys. I shall think about planking. The simulated sheets look allright when laid on top.  Don't know if it's worth the time needed. There's a thousand fittings to be assembled.  ;D     Watch this space, as they say.

Today I committed to glueing down the rear deck. The pictures show the frame system, ready for a 'Lorry'.   Will have to work like a surgeon through the opening now.  ;)  The motor brackets are yet to be made when the motor arrives.

I couldn't resist putting all the loose bits on to see what she looks like. I particularly like the Brass propeller. ( thanks to Westbourne for the speedy delivery).   It sets it off nicely.



Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: barryfoote on January 14, 2008, 05:01:44 PM
Ken,

She is looking so good now so please plank the deck. It does look alot better. I like all those "loose bits" and cant wait to see more of her.

Barry
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: taxi on January 14, 2008, 06:59:58 PM
Keep up the good work, its made me get the finger out with my Boston Fury build  which ran aground late summer.   
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on January 20, 2008, 05:33:37 PM

 The Bulwarks are all sanded nice and flat. Two days work here to thin out the P38.

 
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on January 20, 2008, 05:35:33 PM

Getting ready for the afternoon concerts.   ;D

Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on January 20, 2008, 05:37:36 PM

The Kit sailors have gone to pieces.  ::)

A bit of filing and gluing and all is well.

 
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on January 20, 2008, 05:38:56 PM

I love  Red Oxide,  it covers anything.  (in my case, just as well eh !!)

Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: DavieTait on January 22, 2008, 10:21:35 AM
Here's a photo showing how the trawl wire fair leads are laid out
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on January 22, 2008, 11:43:24 AM

Thanks Davie.  Keep em coming.

One question for everyone please.  What level do you draw the 'Boot Line'

Is this the water level as per the drawings, or is it where she floats at, or where you would like her to float at   ? ? ?

I notice my 'line' is only 36cm from the capping rail (at it's lowest point) and only 8cm from the lowest drain hole on deck.

Don't want to to be filling up with water again do we !!!

People are talking about a lump of lead in the keel of around 30 pounds, (my poor back !!), so I figure to make her ride higher. Just second coated her in Red Oxide and ready for the Black top section in a few days.

What's you views on this ?

Cheers...Ken

   

Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on January 22, 2008, 12:08:01 PM

Isn't old age a nuisance.   :embarrassed:          For  'Centimeters'  read  'Millimeters' .  Sorry bout that

Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: DavieTait on January 22, 2008, 04:05:08 PM
These types of trawlers are fairly low in the water Ken
http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19012
Thats the Boston Phantom FD252. OK its in black and white but the black hull starts at the waterline and the white line is as shown on all of the Boston fleet.
http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/94433
Thats the Boston Commanche ( at the scrapyard unfortunately )
http://www.mountfleetmodels.co.uk/boston-typhoon.htm
http://www.fleetwood-trawlers.connectfree.co.uk/typhoon.html
http://float-trawlers.lancashire.gov.uk/image.php?i=13487&r=2&t=4&x=7
http://float-trawlers.lancashire.gov.uk/image.php?i=13488&r=2&t=4&x=7
http://www.modellingtimbers.co.uk/13342.html
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on January 22, 2008, 08:04:30 PM

Hi David

The Phantom FD252 looks to be sitting great.  This is higher than my plans and was what I was aiming for. Just right.

Allthough the ship at sea looks low, it is actually higher up than I had my marks.

What I've noticed is that the bow rises higher than the middle, and this is where the fish wash drain hole is situated. This would make it as high as the mid section cut outs so all would be well. 

Thank you for putting my mind at rest.  A marking we will go.

Spent the day making a Toilet room at the stern. I fitted the 'Pan' and embellished it with a loo roll and holder. Also made the coal house with a dividing wall and fitted it all on a base plate. The rear moulding can then be fitted over the top and it's ready to go.  If I can find some dolls house hinges then I could have opening doors.

Cheers...Ken
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: DickyD on January 22, 2008, 08:42:57 PM
Hinges Ken.  O0

http://www.ema-models.co.uk/shop/catpages/page-LZ.html
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on January 23, 2008, 07:37:00 PM

Thanks Dicky. I'm having a look round their pages to see if they have anything small enough. I want about 5mm width.

Today I painted the Toilet compartment and Coal bunker. Thought I'd have a go at the 'little people'.  Do you like my colour scheme ?. While this is drying I am working on the top cabin. (the one with the steering wheel !!). I plan to have a removeable roof so that I can populate the insides.

I have ordered brass stanchions from Westbourne's in place of the moulded ones supplied, and plan to leave the brass exposed. Should look quiet pretty when finished. £38 for something so small. No comment.

I'm still waiting for SWMBO to go out so that I can fill the bath and apply talcum powder to the water. NO, not that, this is a water line test to find out how much lead to add for buoyancy, etc.



Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: riggers24 on January 23, 2008, 08:27:05 PM
Kenny,

Is the toilet roll industrial sized. Whats wrong with yesterdays newspaper ;D
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: John W E on January 23, 2008, 08:37:01 PM
Have you seen the size of the print on yesterday's paper my mate  {-) {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on January 23, 2008, 08:44:44 PM

They'll be at sea a long time !!!!

Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on January 25, 2008, 07:04:04 PM

Today I fitted the Bow thruster motor. All greased and set up and runs lovely. The speaker is fitted . The well deck bulwark has a set in entrance way and proved too deep. This was re cut and glued, so as not to foul the speaker.

I've been busy cutting the new well deck hatches (not on drawings). This will enable easy access to the insides, should the need arise. I might fit other extras here.

Couldn't resist fitting the completed modules to line up the fit and get a general view of the final layout.  The toilet is plumbed in but wont flush.  :embarrassed:  My wife also says the paper is rather a big roll, but it's too late now as it's all glued in.

I've found the correct colour for the little people's faces. It's tinlet number 61 and looks quite real.





Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: barryfoote on January 25, 2008, 07:51:45 PM
Coming on a treat Ken. Any way you cant really see the toilet roll very well so who cares...Keep them coming.

Barry
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Manxman on January 31, 2008, 08:05:37 PM
Hi Ken,

Just found your build thread and reading with interest as I also have this kit.
The power 1000 motors seem good, I have 2 going into my Pacific Light and intend fitting them to Boston & the Imara (low drain and loads of power)
As she's a fishing boat - are you going to fill any boxes with fish ? - I've bought a bag of long grain rice ! - at about 40p will provide about 17,ooo,ooo fish ! (OK you count how many grains in a bag) paint some silver and others aluminium and when the crates are filled (only the top ones need painting) look the business.

Cheers - Ken ( its like talking to yourself!  :D )


Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Marks Model Bits on January 31, 2008, 08:29:55 PM
Looking at the size of that loo roll, the Boston Typhoon crew have obviously been talking to the crew of the Red Pelican!!! {-) {-) O0

Mark.
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on January 31, 2008, 08:40:44 PM

Oh yes.  Fish are all part of the build.  I've even collected the little bags of fishnets which used to contain fruit from the local store. I'll have to wait and see if the scale is allright before I cut them to shape.

My main concern was to construct a sound footing on which to lavish the detail. If I wasn't using up so much of my time in this club, I could get on a bit quicker.   8)

Your right Mark. News travels fast in the boating community. Half the roll has been used up, so it's looking better these days.    (Pop round and see the yacht)

Ken



Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: DavieTait on January 31, 2008, 11:24:43 PM
Kenny give me a few days and I can scan in an original trawl design that these ships used so you could make it if you want.
Oh and these boats DIDN'T carry boxes for fish , all of the fish were in the ponds when they came aboard and kept in bulk in the fish ponds in the hold in ice
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on February 01, 2008, 11:08:24 AM

Here is the photo supplied for the boat. I thought I'd do something similar.

Ken

Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on February 01, 2008, 07:39:50 PM

Update on the toilet situation.

Today I had to do a re paint and I noticed the 'Roll' had been used.   ;D


Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on February 01, 2008, 07:59:03 PM

I have finally completed the control module for the electronics.

The unit consists of three 15 amp speed controllers which are fused. A 5 volt supply for the R/X and servos. Two of the speed controllers are on 12 volts and one is on 6 volts. There is a four way switcher from AcTion on the rudder control which switches four circuits on and off.

The box presents Futaba sockets to the outside connections and should be interchangeable between models. The 12 volt and the 6 volt batteries plug directly in via more fuses. The R/x is surrounded in earth material which has been removed for the picture. All in all, it's a tight fit inside, so no room for extras.

There are indicator LEDs for all the circuits on the outside, which will indicate a blown fuse, so there is no need to remove the lid at the lake. 

Hopefully this should reduce the wiring needed between boats.

Ken

Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on February 03, 2008, 02:23:59 PM

Motor mounts glued as a separate fittings, and now glued into the hull. The motor is fitted to rubber bushes and slides down into slots comfortably.

I connected up the motor and adjusted for silent running with no vibrations.

Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on February 03, 2008, 02:39:10 PM

Time for the winter Bath

The model floats with no leaks (phew !)

I'm working on the ballast.  So far there are seven lead acid batterries fitted and it's still not down to the marks. When weighed the total boat it came to 44 LBS.  Getting quite difficult to lift her out of the water.  I removed the batteries and it made lifting her easier.  I've found some rolls of lead left over from the roofing job and plan somehow to cut and fit this inside the hull, nice and low down.

You can see by the sideways fit in the bath that she is quite a length. When her stern is on the floor, the Bow comes up to my shoulders.

Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on February 03, 2008, 02:45:41 PM

The mast is now wired up with three white lights facing fo'rad.  I had to cut a groove in the timber to bury the wiring. This is now filled with P38 and is drying.

Looks like a bit of sanding smooth is coming my way again.   8)

The picture also shows the bench drill recently aquired from Aldi for only £35. Nice machine this. Very quiet and powerful.  See bargain buys dept.

Ken

Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: barryfoote on February 03, 2008, 04:28:22 PM
Bloody hell Ken, She is enormous. You could do with a bath like the one I used for Lady T. Ha ha ::)
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on February 04, 2008, 11:08:18 AM

Thanks,... you noticed.  ;)

SWMBO was standing behind me all the way. Mutterring something about  " my precious bath ".  A tension rid experience I must say.   ;D ;D

Ken

Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on February 10, 2008, 10:26:11 PM

Bulwarks time..   8)

Got them laid out like sailing ships in the sunset.  Nice design in that you make your own side pieces and they supply little angled feet to fit the deck. All very smart. Would you believe, this took all day to make and fit.

Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on February 10, 2008, 10:33:37 PM

Also notice the rows of rivits. These came in little strips and each one individually cut to fit the gap.  Might try ordering extra strips for the outside hull. I wonder if they sell them separately?

Started on the railings. I've dropped the original castings and purchased brass stanchions from Westbourne's. The supplied 1mm bars are not very long. This brings problems of a join or two in the run. Will research longer bars, I think.

My 1mm drill finally snapped. Not through drilling as you might expect, but putting it down on the bench while it was still running. Ugh!! where do I get a replacement.

   
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: DickyD on February 10, 2008, 10:51:19 PM
Drill bits Ken:  http://www.expotools.com/

Look under MINIATURE POWER TOOLS & ACCESSORIES then Twist Drills 22,23,24 & 33

 O0
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on February 11, 2008, 11:18:10 AM

Thanks Richard. Just the place.

Probably spend more than I thought, with all those lovely tools.

Cheers...Ken

Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on February 12, 2008, 11:30:58 AM

Resprayed the lovely primer again  (I do like like this paint. It sprays and covers well)

Every time, the little imperfections gradually fade away.

The mast is wired up with three lights and top coated in Bronze. I thought it came out rather well.  SWMBO thinks I'm mad, spending four days on a bit of wood.  ;)

Ken

 
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on February 14, 2008, 06:52:25 PM

I've got my 1mm drill.   (in fact, I've got a couple !)

I was in the shed today, but it was really cold, so I've come back here to catch up with what's going on. 

The next stage is the black top section to be sprayed. I've got the divider tape on in the right place and sprayed the edge to stop bleeding (thanks for that Stavros. A tip worth knowing)

I know we've covered spray varnish, but I can't find the reference. What type came out best please.

Ken

Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on February 15, 2008, 07:49:26 PM

Had a go at the old spray paint today.

             I've done the sides and poop deck in Black Satin so now it's time to cover with the imitation wood planking.  (I may change to real wood later)

            Superglue was used to stick it down,  as a test piece, done last week came apart with great difficulty, so I'm happy that it will stick OK.  Time will tell.

I've placed the mast in, but it's not secured yet, as it appears to tilt in a drunken fashion to starboard.  rather like me, as I've had an excellent wine to celebrate the deck laying.  Like a topping out ceremony.  8)

Ken
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Stavros on February 15, 2008, 09:22:24 PM
Ken if I was you I would CAREFULLY run my finger along the join line between red/black just to settle the hard edge down when you demask the hull.PERSONALLY I would have demasked after half an hour and done as above.

MAKE SURE YOUR FINGER IS CLEAN AND DRY


Stavros
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on March 04, 2008, 08:09:57 PM

Well it's been three busy weeks since my last posting.

All the little parts had to be cleaned up and smoothed and prepared for paint. There are over 20 bags of mouldings and probably over a thousand pieces. I have made cardboard trays for each colour needed, and marked the sections to keep track of locations on the boat.

Here are a few of the trays being painted. First, one side with undercoat, then left overnight, then turned over and undercoat the other side. Then top coat of different colours per tray and leave to dry whilst moving the house furniture around for new carpets to be fitted. I'm supposed to be retired !!, but am working longer hours than before. (love it really)





Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on March 04, 2008, 08:16:27 PM

Meanwhile, I got on with putting the top deck parts on the boat.

Here are my efforts so far. The main cabin is undercoated and the fore deck is almost complete. I have a hinged door on the front section and two hinged doors on the little toilet at the stern.

The mast is lit up along with the fore deck cabin and is driven by LED's in parallel from the 6 volt battery. It's so secure that I can lift the boat with it. Probably won't be able to do that when the 40 pound ballast is on board.  ;D

 



Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Stavros on March 05, 2008, 12:30:07 AM
Ken thats one heck  of a tidy boat you got there


Stavros
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on March 05, 2008, 09:27:04 AM

Thank you Stav.  I'm really trying with this one. It's a real pleasure to make, apart from the lack of actual instructions.

I've had the good fortune to get in touch with Jim Cowles, who built the same boat, and is featured on Mayhems front page, build section.

He has kindley provided me with photo's of the parts locations, and it's a great help to a duffer like me. I doubt if I could have made her as complete without extra information. I'm hoping my build feature will assist others, should they decide on this craft. You should see the names they give every part on the boat. Sort of thing you read about in folklore.  ;D

Had a bit of fun with the painting yesterday. Tried the white aerosol outside in the wind and cold. Big mistake........ Couldn't see it going on, so went closer and it all started to run !!.  I rushed the cabin back inside and furiously spent time rubbing the wet stuff off. What a mess. Almost in tears, so decided to leave it to dry. Had a look just now and its all dry. Will have to wet,n,dry it smooth before proceeding again.

So much to learn about painting, Stavros, that I envy you your trade. Must get back to her now. Didn't sleep well last night for thinking about it. Wish me luck

Cheers...Ken



Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: DavieTait on March 05, 2008, 10:40:06 AM
Kenny i'm away till early next week but i'll scan in a set of plans for the net along with a how to make for you to the right scale for your model
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: barryfoote on March 05, 2008, 03:08:07 PM
Ken,

She really is lookind great. An example to us all of dedication and alot of skill. I can't wait to see her finished.

Barry
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on March 05, 2008, 07:22:08 PM

Thanks David. Nearly ready to go fishing. 8). I'm putting on the Gallows now. Got a bucket full of trawl boards ?? Don't know where to stick them.

Thanks Barry. Full time job this un  ::).  At every turn, there's another problem. I'm really proud of the little toilet. Swinging doors eh!  that'll lead to trouble on board.

Done the White coat, Stavros. came out allright in the end. I'm planning on covering half with thin plywood left over from Aziz's deck and also laying a patterned planking to the cabin roof. I had another problem today with the beautifully red sprayed funnel. The wind blew it over onto the cloth and all the hairs stuck to the paint. AGHH!   I dried it with the hair dryer and then wet,n,dry sanded it back smooth. Will paint tommorrow as I was not in the right frame of mind to continue.

Latest pics.

Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on March 07, 2008, 07:43:10 PM

I've tried out a bit of veneer around the cabin and on it's roof today. It's a bit bright and new looking so I shall stain it a bit darker. I've also fitted some little bits and it's starting to look the part.

Also managed to apply some red colour to the funnel, and fit the air vents. Had a go on the lifeboat and undercoated her my nice oxide paint. (I do love that stuff)  8)




Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: kit1947 on March 07, 2008, 08:51:47 PM
Thats a beaut model you have there Ken.
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on March 12, 2008, 07:44:29 PM

I didn't like the short wood veneer around the cabin, so off it came. I have now fitted a wider piece to go up to the roof. The roof is removable to show the  (as yet unfinished) cabin interior.

Started fitting the stanchions and hand rails. Have run out of wire. Not enough supplied with the kit, so will have to get some more. I have painted as far as I can at the moment. The funnel and large air vents are secured, along with ventilator boxes and chests. These are not in kit form and have to be made from plastic.  Very time consuming this, as they have to be cut and sanded to shape, then under coated, then top coated all sides.  When dry I shall attach the hinges and handles.

I have a problem with the rudder chain, in that it is attached to  the side of the removable cabin structure. The chain is supposed to run in a tube back to the rudder, but I cannot permanently fix it here, else I won't be able to lift of the cabin for access to the motor.

I have fixed on the hatch top above the engine with the vent covers fixed in the open position. This will probably let in water in a storm, but it will only fill the box and not go below decks.

Here are the latest batch of pictures.

Ken





Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on March 12, 2008, 07:46:25 PM

My first attempt at a close up, followed by a mood shot of the craft from the sea.  8)

Ken
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on March 12, 2008, 07:56:27 PM

A couple of magnified ones.
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: tigertiger on March 13, 2008, 12:16:08 AM
I love the detail Kenny.
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Jim on March 13, 2008, 09:53:25 AM
Hi Ken,

Try cutting the rudder chain tubes about 10mm forward of the end tube brackets that is glued to the deck. The chains can be fixed into these short tube end pieces to run to the tiller arms. You cannot see the join in the tubes and the superstructure  is then easily removable (though the ends of the tubes protruding aft from the engine casing are a little vulnerable).

On the subject of removing the superstructure, you will also have to make the "V" shaped rear gallows stays removable too - easy enough.

You're cracking on with it - looks a treat. Hope you can bring it along to the Wicksteed do (you fitting a periscope on this one!   ;)0

Jim
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on March 13, 2008, 10:24:41 AM

Thanks Tigertiger. I'm loving this bit of the build. At the time, it doesn't seem worth putting on a part that needs tweezers, but taken as the whole it all comes together. Today it's the little boxes and their hinges.
 
Jim, thanks for the tips. I was walking the dog and thinking this problem and never thought about the Gallows. Great idea, which will be incorporated.

It's getting a bit heavy now as I move it around the bench. Might have to get a chain winch suspended from the ceiling.  8).  I suppose this will sink faster than the others !!  Get another submarine ready, Martin.

I have raised the centre wall to incorporate the cabin should the flood come in.

Ken
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on March 20, 2008, 07:13:40 PM

I've completed most of the fittings. The gallows are yet to be engineered in (as they say) so I've got on with the rigging.

This is great fun for a chap with 'Varifocals'. I enclose a few pictures of her latest stage and would like to ask about the rigging please.  How do you tie in the cross pieces for the crew to climb up the rigging?  I believe, Brian, you mentioned technical knots. Have you a description or simple drawing please.

Here are some pics....

Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on March 20, 2008, 07:18:03 PM

I have used your idea, Jim. You can see the pipes protruding behind the rear cabin.  I have the chains soldered to pieces of brass which slide into the tubes. These pull out when the cabin is lifted off

Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on March 20, 2008, 07:19:46 PM

Some more pictures......

Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on March 20, 2008, 07:23:16 PM

Don't ask what  the white section is on number 86 as I made it up !!!!   ;D ;D

It's a cover for the rudder control, should I need to access it.  All held on with those 'New earth Magnets'  8)

Cheers for now

Ken
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Jim on March 20, 2008, 08:06:35 PM
Ken,

"How do you tie in the cross pieces for the crew to climb up the rigging?"  These are the ratlines and should be tied at each shroud with a clovehitch. It's easy to keep the vertical spacing regular by drawing this spacing onto a piece of card and securing this temporarily behind the shrouds while you work.  Keeping the ratlines looking all the same, without pulling the shrouds together may take a bit of practice, but is simple enough- just so monotonous. Each ratline should have a slight sag between shrouds, rather than being too tight. Paint all knots with diluted PVA to stop them coming loose. Trim with nail clippers or small scissors when dry. I secured my knots with superglue, but have since been advised this may cause the rigging to become brittle and therefore prone to snapping off at the knots if snagged.

The white bit on Photo 86 is obviously the spare toilet rolls. May need a tarpaulin to keep the wet off!

Cheers. Jim

Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on March 20, 2008, 08:15:57 PM

Thanks Jim ................   I had to wipe away the tears of laughter before I could reply.

Very good that

Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: barryfoote on March 21, 2008, 07:34:39 AM
Kenny,

She is certainly coming on a treat and I am learning from you all the time. It is a brave thing to put your work on such open display. I know when I post piccies of my Lady T, I am slightly nervous, welcoming any constructive criticism but at the same time, not wanting to make a fool of myself as I did when I put my portholes in the wrong way!! :embarrassed:

Keep up the good work and keep posting...

Barry
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on March 27, 2008, 09:26:21 PM

Your wish is my command. It's really nice to do this Blog, as I'm on a steep learning curve, and enjoying every minute of it. I'd be hard pressed without you all.   O0

Latest news ..........

I've nearly completed the rigging. It came out quite well in the end. What I did was to tie the centre of the thread and glue it in position. I then tied each side and glued that. When it was dry, I cut the trailing edges flush with the uprights and dyed it in black wood stain. Thanks to Barry for this one.  O0

The fumes from all this made me quite sick and I had to give up for the day.

Today I made the life boat fittings from thin plywood and glued them in place. The edges were painted white and the wood left for varnishing. I've painted the oars and they are drying off at the moment.

I have also redesigned the main cabin in new plastic strip to give it a clean edge all round. The insides of the window frames were painted black but I don't like it at all. I'll have to think that one out again.

I might fit some window frames before I glaze it. I'm looking for very small angle plastic strip to cut out.

Jim, I've also changed the giant toilet rolls into oil drums,  Thanks for pointing that out.  O0

Here are the latest pictures.

Ken


Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: DavieTait on March 27, 2008, 10:39:07 PM
I have found my original plans set for the 48ft Granton trawl that the distant water trawlers used Kenny. I will have to redraw it and i'll just mark out measurements in inches/mm so you can make a relatively easy "model" net without having to worry about "knitting" one from scratch.
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on March 27, 2008, 10:48:13 PM

Thanks David,

As you can see, I'm not into rope sizes yet.  {-)  I have the frames ready for the nets and bits of string all over the place.

ken
 
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on March 27, 2008, 10:51:05 PM

I hope to be populating the Well deck tomorrow as I've made the storage boxes for the fish ( grains of Rice rice with eyes painted on them was one suggestion I've had!!)

Ken
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: barryfoote on March 28, 2008, 07:47:01 AM
Good morning Ken,

Well she is getting close to being finished by the look of her..Whats next to be built?

Barry
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on March 28, 2008, 05:22:20 PM

Hi Barry.

The Waverley is next in line....... ooh er.  I've ordered the hull and paddles from Waverley models and looking forward to it.  I have the Billings Banckert on the shelf, but I cannot see me starting this one. Anyone interested ?

Today I made some more little fish container boxes and fitted them with tiny ring pull handles. The open storage containers on the deck have been cut out and painted, ready for assembly. The wiring for the mast lights and the cabin lights are on a separate circuits and have been run to the stern control box area, (courtesy of AcTion Electronics), all ready for a bit of flash "night driving" with Ghost. (his speciality I believe)

I also had a bit of spare time between glue and paint drying to knock up a little rolled up cover for the lifeboat. The Oars have had their handles painted and now need the blades painting white.  (It's a hundred little jobs!!  with breaks for Tea and cakes all day)

It doesn't seem 106 days since I started this project, but it's been an interesting challenge. Mind you, some days have been spent with SWMBO in the shops, which make a change I suppose.

Ken


Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: bosun on March 28, 2008, 08:52:56 PM
Hy Ken
Have sent you a PM
Bosun
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Jim on March 30, 2008, 11:21:48 AM
Ken,

Looking very good now. You have really cracked on with it and I am  looking forward to seeing it (and you) at Wicksteed.

I used rice for my fish, sprayed silver. I just looked in our kitchen and my long grain rice is 5mm long, so just over 6 inches at 1:32 scale. A bit small I suppose, but I wouldn't think it important - I reckon these rice fish look great and definitely create just the right impression. At this scale, I wouldn't bother painting the eyes in!

Are you having fun getting all those fish pounds aligned? Drove me mad!

Cheers

Jim
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on March 30, 2008, 03:07:16 PM

Funny you should say that about 'those Fish pounds', Jim. I couldn't agree with you more. I've made mine on a flat board with double sided tape to hold in place. Had a look this morning and it's dried out nice. Ready to drop on deck in two sections.

I thought the rice was a bit small, so discontinued this idea. I'm working on a plastic bar, tapered each end, and some fins from more small pieces. Should be fun when I get on to the crabs and lobsters. ;D     Claws R Us, and all that. ::)

No work today. Been up the lake with the boat club. What fun this sailing lark is. Took the springer with it's new door stops on. A bit of a Jar when hitting solid objects though!! I wouldn't like Typhoon being hit by one !

Have mailed you, Bosun.

Cheers...Ken

Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Jim on March 30, 2008, 05:06:39 PM
Fins Ken! Well that's dedication. Be careful of crabs. I have some cream for these if you get into trouble ;)

When I made my nets, I used some material I got from Model Slipway. I just checked and I have some left over if you want it. It's 2mm octagonal synthetic weave , coloured brown. Not too much but just about  enough I think to make a scale net. I also have some diamond net, also 2mm size and synthetic, in white, that I bought in a Spanish model shop. Don't think I will have a need for either and will  be happy to post it off to you if you want (pm me if so).

Also on the nets, I found Hobbycraft a good source of bobbins (plastic and wood) that I used for my nets.

Just like to add that your build reports and pics are an absolute delight. Brings back happy memories of the elation and frustrarion I experienced when I did my BT. Superb!  O0

Cheers
Jim

 
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on March 30, 2008, 08:04:09 PM

Thanks for the offer, Jim. I do have some various nets, obtained whilst on holiday at the sea side last year and was wondering what use to put then too. They are various colours and sizes, so I'll see what I can make of them. If they are not suitable, then perhaps I can call upon you again.

Here are some pictures of the progress of the Fish Pounds along with the great weight to glue them in shape, as they do move about, don't they?


Here, also is my attempt at Fish production. I'm away to Google now for a snapshot of a lobster. SWMBO thinks I'm mad, but then, don't they all.

Cheers...Ken

Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on March 31, 2008, 07:16:22 PM
 
            Fish update


Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on March 31, 2008, 07:18:02 PM

  Lifeboat update

ps, Jim. what are the two table legs (shown on the outhouse)  for please

Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: bosun on March 31, 2008, 08:29:03 PM
Hy Ken
Just like to say it was a real treat to call over and have a look at your Typhoon, the Mrs say's if I can do mine half as good, I'm forgiven for spending what she thinks I spent ;),  keep up the good work it's looking great, but defo no crabs or lobsters mate.
Bosun
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on March 31, 2008, 09:41:58 PM

Thanks, Bosun, the crabs were too difficult anyway !!  ;D

The Mrs had a good idea to save making too many. She suggested filling the container with broken polystyrene and put the fish on top. It might look like ice filled boxes. Clever eh!!

Ken

Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on April 11, 2008, 01:29:21 PM

Well, I've been busy the last eleven days. All the little jobs needed to complete her seem never ending.

The rigging was tedious and time consuming, and all the little parts were glued on. The fishes were stuck in polystyrene and buckets were made.

It was then off to the South Wales Boat show with the 'Fleet' to display on our club's stand. Amazing how many dealers at the show had 'just the thing I needed for my 'boating hobby.

I'm now up to wiring in the cabin lights and the outside 'deck lights'.  My aim is to dazzle 'Ghost' at the Wickstead Bash. I'm using LED's and expect to have up to 50 of em!!  Can't go fishing at night without lights !

Here are the latest pictures of Boston in the garden. I am now in the process of 'Movie making', so there's another day gone, getting all the clips collated for 'You tube'

Ken


 
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on April 11, 2008, 01:33:04 PM

Here are some more.

The smoke generator is something and a half.  When I tested it in the workshop, I had to open the doors. What a great machine. Smoke everywhere   8) 8) 8)

Ken
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: tigertiger on April 11, 2008, 02:36:27 PM
She is looking great.

I look forward to seeing pics of her on the water.
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on April 11, 2008, 08:37:57 PM

Might go sailing soon...  if I can find enough lead   8)  needs 40 pounds of ballast, they say.

Here is the total build on You Tube.

       http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=1boGriUEDCI

enjoy

Ken

Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Stavros on April 11, 2008, 10:21:54 PM
Nah Nah Nah all you need is 2x12 12amp batts and a 6v for your reciever and she is down to the waterline !!!!


Stavros
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: barryfoote on April 11, 2008, 10:37:55 PM
Ken,

Excellent Youtube production but who thought of the music..??
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: chingdevil on April 11, 2008, 10:54:55 PM
Kenny

Who thought up the keyboardken name??

Brian
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Jim on April 12, 2008, 11:16:18 AM
Ken,

It's been a delight to watch your build, and the youtube finale is excellent.

Looking forward to Wicksteed.

Cheers

Jim


Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: bosun on April 12, 2008, 03:01:03 PM
Hy Ken
That was excelleny mate, I really enjoyed that video, (pity about the music)  ::) .If your going to give it a go tomorrow let me know, I'll take a run up the lake O0 O0
Bosun
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on April 12, 2008, 05:31:48 PM

Thank you everyone. What praise. I'm flattered indeed. Been busy today wiring up all the lights, and decided to break off for a rest. 8 hours non stop. The lake is out for a few days as I've boxed myself in with the access hole, and having more problems fitting the electronics in. It's getting difficult to poke my hands inside for all the gubbins.  I've now got a reduced slot for battery fitting and the large one won't go in. I'm committed to lots of 7 Amp/hrs types now. The front access slot in the well deck has been sealed over to prevent leaks, so all I have is the opening under the cabin now.

Bosun, thanks for the CD's, they were playing away in the background. I can see why you don't like my choice of music. That was Ethel Smith, don't you know. My Goddess in the Organ repair world.  ;D

Brian, the choice of KeyboardKen is my handle for the Organ trade, when I was working. I do play the Theatre organ and have owned several, although I'm without one at the moment as the boat takes all my time. ::)

Jim, thank you very much, and thank you for your pictures as I would not have pieced it together without your help.  O0

Footski, I used that music as it was all I had on 'Wave files' at the moment in the machine. great isn't it.  8)

Dave, she is already loaded with roofing lead, so hopefully not too many batteries with do the job. I will let you know what works when I plonk her in the water.  ;D  Thanks for the Ebay findings, I will look into it.

Cheers everyone

Ken




Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: dougal99 on April 12, 2008, 05:41:51 PM
Ken

I hate you  :)

Not only is your workmanship excellent, your workshop is far too neat and clean  :'(

I'll get me coat.

Doug
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on April 12, 2008, 05:51:07 PM

Thanks Dougal.

I do have a camera that lies.  ;D   The real thing sometimes get me annoyed with the imperfections. It really does have a lot. Mind you, I've been staring at it for over 100 days now and I need a break.

Cheers...Ken

 
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Ghost in the shell on April 12, 2008, 07:09:17 PM
ya bringing her to wicksteed?
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on April 13, 2008, 10:17:50 AM
 

            Oh yes.... We'll be there .......  if we have to walk.

Now up to 20 lights on board.  Today we start the engine

ken

Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on April 15, 2008, 11:16:36 AM

I've made another control box. Only need two speed controllers this time. Have fitted the four way switcher for the lights and steam and sound. I've placed the R/X on the outside this time with Velcro, so it should be better for changing crystals if there is a clash at the lake.
As you can see, I have to 'shoe-horn' the stuff in, but we're getter there gradually. Still haven't actually got it all working, but really looking forward to a trip to the lake. This thought keeps me going.

Glad the weather is improving, as it's a real pleasure in the shed now. (the thermal clothes are being removed gradually !!)

Ken
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on April 16, 2008, 07:33:27 PM

Another 8 hours today.  Wired the control box to a fused supply with LED's for twin voltages of 6 volts and 12 volts. Couldn't get a 12 volt bow thruster motor to fit, so have to have a 6 volt line. I tried to design a voltage reduction circuit for it, but couldn't come up with anything that would handle up to 10 amps, so I'm stuck with two sizes of battery.

Also brought out 4 switched miniature jack sockets from AcTion's switcher unit, for easy access to plugs. I now have a switched running lights along with switched cabin lights and switched spotlights. There is one spare for the disco in the cabin. (who knows!).  It works a treat, FLJ, and I couldn't help sitting in the chair with my coffee, chuckling to myself. Very novel unit. Do you do a six way version ?

Started wiring up the Smoky and will have it on a separate channel on the T/X, so that I don't run out of steam across the lake. It's speed controlled for smoke output.  I thought this might be better than just on the motor control system because it would always be on.

I was looking at my awful windows and decided not to try and fix it up, but to lay in a new window frame. Unfortunately, this leaves a funny edge at the bottom, so now I shall fit a skirting rail to hide it.

Funny, how one thing leads to another. That's all for now, I'm off for a beer.

Ken


Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on April 20, 2008, 08:39:20 PM

Windows now fitted with new skirting rails to tidy up the edges.

The Smoke machine is in and running. Did a bench test on a full tank and left it running to see how long the water will last. After 35 minutes it was still running on full blast , so I switched off and felt satisfied it would be enough for a sail. Probably got a lung full of atomised water, but it doesn't smell or linger long.

Pics of Smokie in action.
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on April 30, 2008, 10:00:11 PM

Well, the old girl is finished at last. Over 120 days of work and a total cost of £680. Here are a few pictures of her on her trolley.

There are over 2000 parts and we have a steam unit fitted, along with a steam engine sound generator, geared to the throttle. There are over 20 lights all switchable in sections. She is driven by a 70 mm prop from a Robbe 1000 motor with added Bow thruster from 6 and 12 volt supplies. Total weight   is now 43 pounds. Just need to find the keys for the toilet door.  {-)

Cheer...Ken
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on April 30, 2008, 10:01:50 PM

The final three, until we get on the water.
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: bosun on April 30, 2008, 10:18:57 PM
Well done Ken (Proper Job) O0
When you taking it to the lake ?.
Nearly finished mine, but there are a lot of parts missing, and no instructions, still it,s looking ok, just need to sort out the lighting and a bit of rigging, By the way I followed your bargainn basement post, and bought one of those paddling pools, aint had it out yet but it looks ok.
I will have to call over and see her now she is finished.
Bosun
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on April 30, 2008, 10:23:28 PM

Thanks Bosun.

I've put aside the photo's for you to have. I'm home most days. kettle always on.

Ken
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: DavieTait on April 30, 2008, 10:49:22 PM
OK got the net plans redone at 1/32nd scale. All measurements in metric ( mm ). the left hand side is joined to the right section around the outer sides only. The inner 3 sides should have rope on them both upper and lower. On the top ( left hand side ) there will be a lot of floats along the center section and down to half way along the wing ( roughly ) and the bobbins ( seen in other photos in this build ) attach to the center of the lower section and 1/2 way along both lower wings.
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: GaryM on May 01, 2008, 02:36:41 AM
Ken - Just got to say beautiful boat (or being a Brummie 'Bostin bit of kit') - 4½ft!

Could I ask - you epoxy'd the inner hull - why?  The frame work at the beginning - was this for strength alone? 

Frame work - my theory for my own boat is both strength and to form 'compartments' for batteries, ballast etc.

regards
Gary
(novice)

Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on May 01, 2008, 09:28:48 AM

Thanks for the Nets drawings, David. I've copied them off and plan to make these. No rush now, so I can concentrate on them and add to the boat. Cheers for that.

Thanks for the compliments Garry. Yes, I did epoxy the hull. The reason being to prevent water coming in, in case there were any weak spots in the hull moulding. Also, I knew it was going to be a heavy boat so I needed a stronger base.

The frames were originally wood, but I didn't get on well with it, and thought it was a little weak. I reverted to the trusted scaffolding method in plastic for strength and ease of attaching extras too.  There are no compartments, as such, just channels for the batteries. All very sturdy (unlike the top fittings which keep getting knocked with the elbow)

ken
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on May 11, 2008, 04:37:10 PM

                   Launch Day has arrived

I took her to the lake today for sea trials. She now weighs 42 pounds and Bosun was there to help me lift her in the water, many thanks, must make a lifting strap.

She sails beautifully and the trimming done on the home paddle pool paid off. Here is the YouTube movie.   

                http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=kNWlosmjId0

           Unfortunately the fuse blew when the smoke unit was switched on at full throttle and she was stranded in the middle of the lake. Obviously a 6 amp fuse is not enough.  :embarrassed:

           I rushed back to the car for the rescue Springer, and effected a mid-sea rescue, while Bosun photographed the event. Can you post the pictures please as I was busy maneuvering the rescue craft at the time.  ;D

A good day out and very satisfying to see your baby sail away.

Ken





 
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: chingdevil on May 11, 2008, 04:50:15 PM
Ken

That is a really beautifull looking boat, she looks good in the video. Hope sh is coming to Wicksteed, will have to buy more bateries for the camera.

See you soon

Brian
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: bigford on May 11, 2008, 05:05:43 PM
hey kenny

   the ship is looking great O0 and the fact that you have her in the water 
makes make me mad as heck  as my tug is still in this state of reddyness
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q162/bigfordf550/watertest9_edited-1.jpg)  :'(

i wish you many happy days of sailing her with out any aziz mishaps
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on May 11, 2008, 05:12:42 PM

Thanks Brian, it seem a long time since you saw me buy the box of bits. Yes, she sails well and full of power thanks to Stavros's Robbe motor. She also goes backwards in a straight line (unlike my Springer  {-))

The engine noise was almost inaudible at the lake, so I'll have to beef up the power there. Pity about the smokie taking all that power !. What a learning curve I'm on. All great fun. At least she didn't sink.

Come on Bigford, it's only two week to the 'Big Do'

Cheers...Ken
Title: Re: BOSTON TYPHOON ........ my build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on May 12, 2008, 07:19:56 PM

Latest update ......

Twas not the fuse blown that stopped her.

Had a look today and found everything was working when in the workshop.

Unfortunately........... the propeller wasn't turning !!!!!!!!!!!      :embarrassed:

Who forgot to lock the nut on the shaft.  The thing had unscrewed itself and the motor became disconnected from the flexi joint.   

What a lot to lean on these boaty things !!!

Cheers...Ken