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Technical, Techniques, Hints, and Tips => Wood Care: => Topic started by: Popeye on March 08, 2008, 03:26:07 pm
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Can anyone suggest a smallish bench top circular saw similar in size, convenience, and hopefully, price, to the Minicraft Circular saw?
The Minicraft's 5mm (wood) maximum depth of cut, is a tad too small for my liking - I'd prefer something in the order of 10 -12mm, though I'd like to keep near the Minicraft's compact size.
Any ideas would be welcomed. O0
Popeye
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Hi Popeye, try Hobbies catalogue, they have one which is more versatile than the m/craft one, and it is not much more in price,
round about the £50 mark I got one and it works well. Al the best Harry
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Proxxon do a cracker for about 70 quid.
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I had been toying with the idea of getting a tile cutting saw and changing the blade...or is that a stupid idea? BY
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I was wondering about using a tile cutting saw.
But the tile saw that I have is quite coarsely made, and noisy.
I wouldn't rate the table for flatness or smooth sliding of small pieces of wood stock.
Also the guide for straight cutting is inflexible and quite wobbly.
I guess if you were willing to make a false table top (maybe mdf?) and add some extra fancing it could work quite well.
Or, if you have a lathe, you could make a work table to bolt to the lathe bed and use metal slitting saws with a saw blade arbour.
The slitting saws are OK for small cuts, but they bind and burn with deeper cuts as the teeth are not offset like a wood blade.
Regards,
Grant.
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Hi Popeye, try Hobbies catalogue, they have one which is more versatile than the m/craft one, and it is not much more in price,
round about the £50 mark I got one and it works well. Al the best Harry
I have tred to Google hobbies to no avail.
Is there a web adress on the catalogue please?
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you mean the one at the top of the page in the sponsors banner ??
Fredy
http://www.alwayshobbies.com/
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I have seen the following Proxxon saws on the net. The model numbers are different in US and UK.
Proxxon 37006 for about $120, but it only cuts wood up to 8mm thick. (maybe the 70 quid jobby that was mentioned).
The 38070 is much better and cuts to about 25mm, but costs about US$ 330.
Is there anything on the market that cuts more than 12mm but costs less than 100 pounds?
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http://www.screwfix.com/prods/79244/Power-Tools/Benchtop-Woodworking/Titan-8-Table-Saw-230V (http://www.screwfix.com/prods/79244/Power-Tools/Benchtop-Woodworking/Titan-8-Table-Saw-230V)
A bit rough though
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Tile cutter...
http://www.aldi.co.uk/uk/html/offers/2867_5274.htm
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were do we get blades for these tile cutters all the blades i have seen need to be of a bigger bore size or am i not looking in the right places
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Hi Popeye, try Hobbies catalogue, they have one which is more versatile than the m/craft one, and it is not much more in price,
round about the £50 mark I got one and it works well. Al the best Harry
I have tred to Google hobbies to no avail.
Is there a web adress on the catalogue please?
Try www.alwayshobbies.com
Popeye
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http://www.screwfix.com/prods/79244/Power-Tools/Benchtop-Woodworking/Titan-8-Table-Saw-230V (http://www.screwfix.com/prods/79244/Power-Tools/Benchtop-Woodworking/Titan-8-Table-Saw-230V)
A bit rough though
Are you referring to build quality of the product or the quality of the cut? If latter, would a finer toothed blade improve things?
Popeye :-\
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Hi Popeye, try Hobbies catalogue, they have one which is more versatile than the m/craft one, and it is not much more in price,
round about the £50 mark I got one and it works well. Al the best Harry
Hi Big H
Which model/saw are you talking about?
I cannot seem to find what you are talking about.
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This one is in the other Hobby Catalaogue (Hobby's not Hobbies!)
http://www.hobby.uk.com/shop/prodpages/page-8E3120.html
More than £50 though. :(
Barrie
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Hi Popeye, try Hobbies catalogue, they have one which is more versatile than the m/craft one, and it is not much more in price,
round about the £50 mark I got one and it works well. Al the best Harry
Hi Big H
Which model/saw are you talking about?
I cannot seem to find what you are talking about.
This is the long established Hobbies of Dereham, Norfolk
On home page
> Tools - and view Mini Tools and/or Hand Tools
Two are offered at between £160 - £200 which is a tad too pricy for my liking. I'll try Barriew's lead first but I guess I'll end up sticking to my hand saws. :-\
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Are you referring to build quality of the product or the quality of the cut? If latter, would a finer toothed blade improve things?
I was referring to the overall quality of the machine really, a bit flimsy :-\
I wouldn't try to fit a saw blade onto a tile cutter, saws aren't meant to spin at such high speed & if one fractured the carnage is unthinkable :'(
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Tile cutter...
http://www.aldi.co.uk/uk/html/offers/2867_5274.htm
For Funtimefrankie.
Aldi's tile cutter would do fine in all respects, but, would it also cut wood/ply cleanly (up to 12mm thick)
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Hello Popeye, the reply above from AndyGH is quite unequivocal ! DO NOT USE A Circular Saw Blade in a Tile Saw. The speeds are different as they're doing totally different jobs. A Tile Saw will be spinning in excess of 120M/min yes that little daimond blade really is whinging around. Whereas a Wood Saw will only be doing in excess of 70 M / min The torque required to cut wood based materials dictates the slower speeds. The other reason the blade outer diameters and also the bore sizes are different is exactly the reason why they are not compatible !
I deal on a daily basis in professional hand and power tools and cannot recommend anything under the £300 mark for quality Table Saws admittedly they are designed for carpenters and not overly suitable for modellers in the sizes we work in. Proxxon has my money on being the most suitable. This is the website of the UK Importers where you will find links to your local stockist or are able to order online direct. http://www.brimarc.com/home.php3?page=products&pc=C_105
cheers
Jim
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home depot sells a ryobe 10'' table saw for a $100. us
all my other ryobe tools have been top quality
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q162/bigfordf550/L10854425Small.jpg)
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Hi Tiger Tiger, my deepest apologies old chap, I have not been able to get on line for the past few days but here is the info on the table saw you and others required.
PAGE 136 HOBBY'S ANNUAL 2008 MINI BENCH SAWPRICE £60:49. www.hobby.uk.com phone 020 87614244 9am - 5pm only
Once agin my apologies. Harry.
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Thanks big H
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I suppose it depends on what you want the saw for. I cut all my deck planks (down to 1/8" or less wide) on the band saw. If you cut 5 or 6 thicknesses the cut can be very clean. Doing one thickness at a time gives raggy edges. My personal opinion is that a band saw properly set up can do most of the things a little circ. saw can do....if you have the right blade fitted. Tile cutters DO work, but you will need to make an arbor to take a thin slitting saw blade and adjust it so the blade tips just penetrate the depth of the timber you are cutting.
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Bryan, I think you're pretty much right about the band saw. But perhaps the key difference is in the amount of setup required.
I set my own band saw up pretty carefully but it does go out quite easily for fine work. The blade just inherentlay has more flex and 'wander' than a circular one.
The small table saw just does these cuts without the same preparation.
Another factor for fine cutting thing is to minimise the size of the slot in the table around the blade. This makes sure that the thin piece being cut is supported by the table as much as possible.
Regarding the previous comment on the speed of the different saw types I'm not sure this is a problem. The tile saws I have seen/owned are specced at 3000 RPM, my hand held circular saws run at 5000rpm.
Regards,
Grant.
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I don't get it, what's the point of going to the trouble of buying a cheap tile cutter & then converting it to accept saw blades via an arbor or whatever when you can buy a cheap table saw which is made for the job? I have both in my workshop & they are equally as flimsy & both cost around £40 or £50....... oh and the tile cutter runs at twice the speed of the saw
Something to contemplate when you're on your way to A&E :o
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I'm not sure there is much point, but since someone raised the idea I think it's interesting to ponder.
Perhaps it would give you a more compact solution, space is an issue for some people?
Maybe it's just fun to think about. Why build a boat when you can buy an RTR cheaply?
The speed thing is interesting, my table saw is definitely 5,000rpm vs 3000rpm for the tile cutter.
Makes me wonder if there are different speed ratings for different saw blades (probably by size, lower for bigger blades) and what ratings my ad-hoc collection have.
But anyway, there are enough other issues to make it a potentially poor idea. (The endfloat of the motor is an unknown and there's no riving knife for starters)
Regards,
Grant.
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Why build a boat when you can buy an RTR cheaply
Well I suppose that homemade models are better than cheap RTR, at least I hope so :-\
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Why build a boat when you can buy an RTR cheaply
Well I suppose that homemade models are better than cheap RTR, at least I hope so :-\
And they don't do the kind of models I am interested in as RTR.
Plus I get a kick out of trying to make stuff.
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I have beside me a catalogue that came with one of my model mags and it is from "Expo drills and tools.
I am in Aussie but the agent here is a treasure.
They have the same type Small bench saw and the jigsaw as the old mintools suplied.
Their web address is :- www.expotools.com
They have a verylarge catalogue but I only have the short version but it is full of goodies. One day I will get round to obtaining the full one!!!
Hope this is of some use.
pomybill.
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Many thanks to those kind folk who responded to my enquiry.
Having researched the Market I came to the conclusion that the ideal gadget for my needs is the PROXXON KS230 mini mini bench circular saw - so I've ordered one and am currently awaiting delivery.
I'll give feedback on its performance once it's up and running. :angel:
In the meantime,
Thanx and regards
Popeye
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Just a couple of web pages to perhaps get some ideas from:
http://www.vanda-layindustries.com/
http://www.byrnesmodelmachines.com/index.html?id_mm=0524MM297448
Enjoy
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A cheap table/circular saw I came across whilst searching Google is a Nutool make at £29.95 (down from £39.95) from www.diytools.co.uk. I have not yet learnt how to download a link onto the forum but if you go to their website and put 'table saw' into the search you will find it. O0
Derek. :police:
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is this the one?
http://www.diytools.co.uk/diy/Main/sp-1-1-36638-nutool-ntbc600-600w-table-saw.asp?sQuery=table%20saw
To get the link, go to the page /item you want highlight the internet address, press CTRL and C this copies to your clipboard, then in your reply box CTRL and V should paste it - that's how I do it and I'm a computer numpty!
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Yep, that's the one and thanks for the computer 'lesson'. O0 My computer skills are all self taught and I am still learning. :)
Derek. :police:
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Was pondering a bench circular saw while trying to make a stand for the Envoy today!
Some interesting suggestions here although I tend to think you get what you pay for (no disrespect folks!) and going cheapo usually means it only lasts a few goes (well, for me anyway).
B&Q do this one for a shade under £140. OK its not a 'hobby' table saw but it is multi purpose. http://www.diy.com/diy/jsp/bq/nav/nav.jsp?action=detail&fh_secondid=9376545&fh_view_size=6&fh_eds=%3f&fh_location=%2f%2fcatalog01%2fen_GB%2fcategories%3c%7b10082%7d%2fcategories%3c%7b10084%7d%2fcategories%3c%7b9181021%7d%2fspecificationsProductType%3dTable+Saws&fh_search=table+circular+saw&fh_refview=search&ts=1214087626434&isSearch=false
EDIT. As an alternative, Lawsons do this 10" table for £107.
http://www.lawson-his.co.uk/scripts/details.php?cat=Table%20Saws&product=1283
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Many thanks to those kind folk who responded to my enquiry.
Having researched the Market I came to the conclusion that the ideal gadget for my needs is the PROXXON KS230 mini mini bench circular saw - so I've ordered one and am currently awaiting delivery.
I'll give feedback on its performance once it's up and running. :angel:
In the meantime,
Thanx and regards
Popeye
My Proxxon KS230 is now in regular use and is one of the best purchases I've made in the interests of my hobby - my only regret is that I didn't buy one long ago.
It does all that I want it to and gives a very clean cut with no feathering of the cut edges. Its rated maximum depth of cut is 8mm but copes well with thicker material - if treated gently and not permitted to overheat - by the simple expedient of turning the material onto its other side and cutting through in the same position as the first cut. Reducing stripwood to smaller widths is easy peasy and fast also , a feature which is particularly useful in respect of my current newbuild which requires stripwood of various dimensions which I can't easily acquire from my usual sources. I have NOT tried the saw on metal though I have no doubt that it will cope handsomely provided it's used in accordance with Proxxon's instructions.
Conclusion: well worth the money and will become an essential workshop tool - get the spouse (or partner - for the PC brigade) to buy you one for Chrimbo or your birthday
Popeye O0
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This sound ideal for my forthcoming project, where did you order it from ?
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AXMINSTER POWER TOOLS STOCK THEM, AND OFFER A GOOD MAIL ORDER SERVICE.... PLUS I HAVE IN THE PAST MANAGED TO GET A HALF DECENT DISCOUNT TOO !
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STEAMBOATPHIL;
I buy all my Proxxon tools from
www.letrainmagique.com
This is an outfit in Strasbourg, France. Their prices are hard to beat. however, I am in France and so delivery is less of a problem and not as costly as it would be to GB. May be worth a try.
I think the guy speaks some English although I have never spoken with him as I make purchases in french, by Internet.
Roger in France.
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This sound ideal for my forthcoming project, where did you order it from ?
Order on-line from diytools.co.uk at £71.95 inc VAT. Very fast service.
Good luck steamboatphil and all others who are considering a new acquisition for the workbench.
Popeye O0
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I have heard of people that tried to use the tile saw, and were less than satisfied with the results. :embarrassed:
I have the MicroMark version, in the USA, of the Proxxon 38070-Table-saw-FKS-E pictured earlier.
It has several blades for different types of cutting. It cuts up to about 25mm thick if necessary and
has an optional metered fence that will vary the cut by .001 thickness. One of the best investments I
ever made...
http://www.ares-server.com/Ares/Ares.asp?MerchantID=RET01229&Action=Catalog&Type=Product&ID=80463
Some of the other "shelf Queen" builders like the Byrnes table saw.
The gentlman hand manuctures table saws per order. If I had to buy a first table saw again,
the MicroMark/Proxxon would be excellent. But the Byrnes would be the one I buy next.
http://www.byrnesmodelmachines.com/tablesaw.html?id_mm=0623MM783529
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on the subject of small bench saws, my personal choice would be the Dewalt DW 744 10 inch saw......
In this country it costs £635.00 plus Vat (£746.13p)
However exactly the same saw in the USA costs $505.(dollars) roughly £250.00. on top of that price is 1.7% import tax plus shipping over here. then VAT is added to the total........a considerable difference to the UK price if one can find a shipping agent to bring one in in a bulk shipment of items.
the question is Does anyone know anyone who regularly brings bulk shipments into thei country who could ship one in for me at reasonable costs.
cheers,neil.
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further to the above post, I have just bought one of the dewalt saws on ebay for a rediculously low price, so will tell you how it works when i get my grubby little mits on it. :o
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Santa bought me the Proxon maximum cut 12 mm,its great ive been cutting things just for the sake of using it.
chris
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You could cut all my millions of planks to the correct size 4 me. l.o.l. (see thread Jigs for planking)
Serious note it seems to pop up all the time this saw so it must be good.