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Mess Deck: General Section => Chit-Chat => Topic started by: OMK on March 11, 2008, 04:27:49 am

Title: Gimee back me stars!
Post by: OMK on March 11, 2008, 04:27:49 am
Martin, I just received your PM. Forget that malarky for now, for there are things of graver importance.
I just checked-in from me death bed and suddenly all the stars are gone. One minute I've got four stars, the next I'm just another 'Full Mayhemer'.
I don't wanna be a full member already - I want me stars back! I've worked hard to post all that gibberish these past couple years and it's taken the best part of since the day Mayhem was born to earn all them stars I earnt. I want 'em back -- else you ain't getting this super-slinky RC gadget that I've been working on for the past umpteen months sent to your works address.
Oh yeah, and I made an exact same super-slinky RC gadget for Bluebird, too. So if you don't return the stars, then I'll hold Bluebird's gadget to ransom until otherwise. And you know what HE's like when the dummy needs spitting out, right?
So if you got your ears on, Bluebird..... work your stuff. Start a bleedin' mutiny, demand the return of our stars.
Or the gadgets gets it.
Title: Re: Gimee back me stars!
Post by: White Ensign on March 11, 2008, 07:06:57 am
PMK, I`d second that!
What have I written for rubbish, bored with jokeswhich have been mostly deleted, made stupid advices....and then! A miracle!
An English fleet has made a bl***y suebian her Admiral!

And now?

Gone with the wind....

Martin, I beg in good I threat in bad: beg steal or borrow..... but make the stars shine again....

Jörg
Title: Re: Gimee back me stars!
Post by: John W E on March 11, 2008, 08:58:08 am
Sorry chaps NO DEAL - I can honestly see the good reason behind the moderators and Martin deleting the STAR SYSTEM - as it says on the top of the page as it does level the playing field 'We are all equal, always have been and always will be' Your input into this forum, and White Ensign's and mine are all equal.

So, Martin and rest of the moderators FOR ME you can take the posting counts off as well, for the simple reason = it doesnt matter how many postings you put on, its the quality of postings that count - and also the helpful information in the posting.
Title: Re: Gimee back me stars!
Post by: Colin Bishop on March 11, 2008, 10:34:27 am
Bluebird is quite right. There was some evidence to suggest that the prognostications of some of those with an exalted rank were perceived as carrying more weight than they actually deserved and this was putting off some people from posting. As Bluebird says, it's the quality of the posts that matters, not the volume and good posts can come from anyone on the Forum.

I don't particularly mind the total posts being shown though, most Forums have this and people can make up their own minds as to what they are worth. The important thing is not to equate number of posts with "rank". It was fun when the Forum was a lot smaller but has become rather meaningless now.

However I did suggest, tongue in cheek, that we could have the following:

Shipmate
Full Mayhemmer
Old Lag
Pain in the Ar5se

Fortunately perhaps, it wasn't taken up... ;)
Title: Re: Gimee back me stars!
Post by: bigfella on March 11, 2008, 11:13:40 am
I still think that stars and number of posts should stay as new members tend to take a little more notice (I know I do)of those who have been on the forum a little longer than those who have only been here a short time they also know the ways of the forum. :D

Regards David
Title: Re: Gimee back me stars!
Post by: OMK on March 11, 2008, 11:21:49 am
Morning, Mr. Bish'.
Yeah, I know, I know. But the new members will now be getting an easy ride to the five-star suite, won't they? They only have to hit the send button ten times now, but the rest of us poor saps had to earn our stripes the HARD way.
And besides, I only had four stars but was looking forward to winning another. I wanted five stars... six stars... loads of stars, like some of you lot. And now you done gone and kilt' all the fun and ruined all me chances.
S'not fair! (sob!).
Title: Re: Gimee back me stars!
Post by: Bunkerbarge on March 11, 2008, 11:34:45 am
I think we were in a very real danger of encouraging members to post for the sake of earning stars rather than saying something constructive and helpful and consequently the quality of some of the threads was sufferring.

Wouldn't it be better to get our thoughts away from who has how many posts or stars and think more about what we contribute to the community for the benefit of everyone else rather than our own enhancement?

I think it would be very interesting to see how the picture would change if we were to count words rather than postings and see how some of the posts in an in depth build thread stacks up against a hundred or so, one liners!
Title: Re: Gimee back me stars!
Post by: tigertiger on March 11, 2008, 11:47:01 am
I agree with the new system.

There are old hands at modelling with a great deal of experience and specialis knowledge

e.g. Bluebird - 360 odd posts.
       PMK      - 600  odd posts (well only a few were odd)

And then there are "xxxxx" like me who are new to modelling but loads of time on my hands to chat with millions of postings, mostly drivel, reaching the rank of Rear Vice President Of the Galaxy.

And I did feel a bit of a fraud.

So I am happyier with the level playing field

Although I did think along the lines of Colin

Ship Mate
Full Member
Active Contributor
Title: Re: Gimee back me stars!
Post by: malcolmfrary on March 11, 2008, 11:53:50 am
Count me along with Tiger.  Quantity and quality are two separate things.  There have been some who have posted with nothing more than the intention of building up to an extra star.
Title: Re: Gimee back me stars!
Post by: Proteus on March 11, 2008, 12:30:45 pm
Colin
Title: Re: Gimee back me stars!
Post by: Proteus on March 11, 2008, 12:31:12 pm
Is
Title: Re: Gimee back me stars!
Post by: Proteus on March 11, 2008, 12:31:36 pm
Right   {-)
Title: Re: Gimee back me stars!
Post by: OMK on March 11, 2008, 12:32:04 pm
Seems I'm fighting a losing battle then. Bummer.

Seriously though, when Martin first introduced that star rating system, how many of us thought it was a naff idea? I mean, we all knew (or at least, most of us knew) that all those cute stars and all those numbers were pretty meaningless anyway, right? And we didn't take long to suss out the ones abusing the system, and we didn't take long to suss out the genuine ones, right again? But hang on a minute. Who cares if it was naff? Who cares if some members were posting like Billy-o in order to up their star rating? From where I'm sitting I get the impression that the whole thing was purely a fun thing. Do any of you actually believe that I thought meself more important than those with fewer stars than I? Nah - it doesn't work that way. For my part the rating system was a bit of an eye opener because it was the first time I'd seen any such system. I guess I come to enjoy seeing all those stars, and seeing who actually deserved them - and who didn't. It was never meant to be taken THAT seriously, was it?
It's a shame you guys opted out, because you had a neat little thing going on there. This was the only forum in the whole of the UK with a bit of tongue-in-cheek how's-yer-father light-hearted nonsense... and it worked. T'was one of Mayhem's better ideas. Shame it had to go.

Anyways, t'was only a bleedin' fun thing, for Gawd sakes. Lighten up a bit. Most members don't need any rating system to tell them who's the bozo and who isn't. But you have to admit it WAS funny to see 'Admiral of the Fleet' next to the names of those who clearly wouldn't know their 'arris from their elbow.
Title: Re: Gimee back me stars!
Post by: tigertiger on March 11, 2008, 12:34:45 pm
Proteous

42
42
42

and that is not the answer to the meaning of life 3 times.
Title: Re: Gimee back me stars!
Post by: kit1947 on March 11, 2008, 12:38:52 pm

I think it would be very interesting to see how the picture would change if we were to count words rather than postings and see how some of the posts in an in depth build thread stacks up against a hundred or so, one liners!

The way some of the "experts" on here waffle on about their expertise don't think that would be a fair comparison. I have seen "one liners" on here that have answered a query in a way everyone can understand and I have seen experts who waffle on in tech speak, for paragraph after paragraph and no one knows what the devil they are on about.
Title: Re: Gimee back me stars!
Post by: Proteus on March 11, 2008, 01:00:10 pm
How about replacing the stars with  ...Modeler or trader,  new members would then know if the information was without bias.

Fredy
Title: Re: Gimee back me stars!
Post by: kit1947 on March 11, 2008, 02:22:31 pm
How about replacing the stars with  ...Modeler or trader,  new members would then know if the information was without bias.

Fredy
Now that is a good idea Fredy.  O0
Incidently where are the Empty Mayhemers/Mayhemmers. Is it 2ms or1m ? :-\
Title: Re: Gimee back me stars!
Post by: Shipmate60 on March 11, 2008, 03:11:46 pm
PMK and Bigfeller,
I was talking to a relative newcomer to the forumand he was put off by not questioning an Admiral. The theory being that the Admiral had been on here much longer so he SHOULD know what he is talking about.
Only one problem the person concerned was an old skipper of mine who had been at sea since the age of 14, he has far more knowledge of Full Size ships than almost anyone on here.
The rank system was detrimental to him posting, even though he knew some of the posts were WRONG.
To me, anything that discourages postings should be seriously looked at.

Bob
Title: Re: Gimee back me stars!
Post by: DickyD on March 11, 2008, 03:46:09 pm

To me, anything that discourages postings should be seriously looked at.

Bob
Hear hear.(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p8/DickyD_photos/master.gif)
Title: Re: Gimee back me stars!
Post by: Colin H on March 11, 2008, 04:07:54 pm
I don't know about the number of postings there are far more serious issue's like where does Richard find all his little logo thingies.

He seems to have one for every eventuality.


Colin H.
Title: Re: Gimee back me stars!
Post by: Martin [Admin] on March 11, 2008, 04:13:52 pm
Sorry Proteus, that not possible with the forum software.......

I do know what you mean though as the moderators and I have had to lock and delete certain topics on here due to
people using the forum to sell good they are making without being "up front" about it.

To me, there are 3 categories of sales:

Traders - Model Slipway, Westbourne Models, Action etc.
Shed sellers - Jeog, PKM, etc.
Modellers - that are just selling off there spare stuff.
Title: Re: Gimee back me stars!
Post by: Captain Povey on March 11, 2008, 04:35:35 pm
It is a shame to loose the stars I thought it was a bit of a novelty and a bit of fun. I assume all are equal until they prove otherwise. Perhaps I should also change from being on here as 'Captain Povey', chosen for no other reason than a reference to the Old Navy Lark radio program that I enjoyed in case I offend any real Captains. Graham  :'(
Title: Re: Gimee back me stars!
Post by: Proteus on March 11, 2008, 04:36:04 pm
Sorry Proteus, that not possible with the forum software.......


OK thank you for listening , It was just a thought as it took me some time , and I am still not certain of some , who is who.
Title: Re: Gimee back me stars!
Post by: Colin Bishop on March 11, 2008, 04:58:08 pm
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and I am still not certain of some , who is who.

Ah well, that's a different ball game altogether. Some of us post under our real names, some prefer aliases, some seem to have split personalities and post under more than one ID. Takes all sorts.... ::)
Title: Re: Gimee back me stars!
Post by: MikeK on March 11, 2008, 05:16:50 pm
I don't know about the number of postings there are far more serious issue's like where does Richard find all his little logo thingies.

He seems to have one for every eventuality.


Colin H.

Ditto, I was just going to ask the same thing

Mike
Title: Re: Gimee back me stars!
Post by: DickyD on March 11, 2008, 05:44:05 pm
I don't know about the number of postings there are far more serious issue's like where does Richard find all his little logo thingies.

He seems to have one for every eventuality.


Colin H.

Ditto, I was just going to ask the same thing

Mike
Thats for me to know and you to find out(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p8/DickyD_photos/indexphp.gif)
Title: Re: Gimee back me stars!
Post by: andygh on March 11, 2008, 08:04:26 pm
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The way some of the "experts" on here waffle on about their expertise don't think that would be a fair comparison. I have seen "one liners" on here that have answered a query in a way everyone can understand and I have seen experts who waffle on in tech speak, for paragraph after paragraph and no one knows what the devil they are on about.
 

 

I agree wholeheartedly, there's nothing worse than self appointed experts

A forum that I used to be a member of was utterly ruined by members posting inane rubbish & repeating points that others had already made in an effort to earn more "stars", a very useful & informative forum became sickeningly dull due to having to wade through reams of drivel. The new system on this one is a positive change AFAIC
Title: Re: Gimee back me stars!
Post by: bigfella on March 11, 2008, 08:56:32 pm
Did I miss the change as I can still see the stars and numbers. Has this happend or is it going to happen? I think, speaking from a new comer to the hobby, that when you receive answers to a question that you have posted it does not matter how it is answered (one word or 1,000 words) and even conflicting answers, you are given options by those that know what they are talking about and those that think they know what they are talking about, it all helps.

Regards David
Title: Notice: Huge topic shake up on Mayhem!
Post by: Martin [Admin] on March 11, 2008, 09:17:43 pm

Notice: Huge topic shake up on Mayhem!

http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=9115.0 (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=9115.0)

Title: Re: Gimee back me stars!
Post by: andygh on March 11, 2008, 11:59:00 pm
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it all helps

I agree, up to a point, but when the fourth or fifth reply is an almost exact replica of previous replies I start to question the posters motive. Personally, if i know of a good answer to someones question/problem I will only post it if it has not had an adequate response already
Title: Re: Gimee back me stars!
Post by: tigertiger on March 12, 2008, 12:49:47 am

I agree, up to a point, but when the fourth or fifth reply is an almost exact replica of previous replies I start to question the posters motive. Personally, if i know of a good answer to someones question/problem I will only post it if it has not had an adequate response already

Another motive with some is having the last word.
If Mr A posts and Mr B disagrees, then sometimes Mr A will repost but try to use an authoratative tone. Tnen Mr B respons again. Until somebody caves in.

Common sense sugests that he who posts last is not always right, nor he who shouts loudest.
I have not seen it happen often here on this site, but I have on others.
Title: Re: Gimee back me stars!
Post by: jinks8 on March 12, 2008, 01:20:59 am
I hate the word expert as my old Sargent major use an ex is a has bean and a drip is a spurt under pressure butt their are them that know and them that don't so rank is irrelevant you just do as i tell you lad because i know
Title: Re: Gimee back me stars!
Post by: polaris on March 14, 2008, 07:14:17 pm

Dear All,

After giving this a little thought, I think the action taken in disposing of 'titles' is correct - though I hastily add that I think the concept was a good one for getting Mayhem off the ground. Yes, it was 'nice' to have a 'title' of some kind even though it meant absolutely nothing and was a bit of harmless fun, and by the nature of the Forum and Mayhem in general, I am a touch surprised how this could me missunderstood otherwise - anyway it's irrelevant now.

Personally I definitely don't see the point of keeping the 'star ratings' now as they are completely meaningless; however the part showing the number of posts put up by any individual is pertinent and correctly shows the contribution and participation an individual has made to the Forum/Mayhem... this far more important I feel.

Just my thoughts that's all.

Regards, Bernard
Title: Re: Gimee back me stars!
Post by: Brian_C on March 14, 2008, 07:28:00 pm
well said and thats the end of a pecking order thats not needed on a friendly forum  O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0
Title: Re: Gimee back me stars!
Post by: gingyer on March 14, 2008, 11:35:33 pm
I fully agree with the fact there is no need for a rank system.
Is it possible though for new people to the world of model boats to have some way
of identifying this beside their name. So that you know it is possibly someone with
very limited knowledge of model boats that you are explaining too.
this would be a self administered thing that the user can activate/deactivate as they want
and not forced upon them
Title: Re: Gimee back me stars!
Post by: andygh on March 15, 2008, 01:54:02 am
They could just tell you?
Title: Re: Gimee back me stars!
Post by: Colin Bishop on March 15, 2008, 09:36:21 am
Or use an "L" or new driver plate as an avatar?
Title: Re: Gimee back me stars!
Post by: polaris on March 15, 2008, 09:57:34 am

Dear All,

I think the new ID system is good (except the stars as prev. said), but with a New Member this should show for about 20 or more posts and then switch automatically to Full Member. Most likely Martin has considered this, and probably some such scheme exists already.

Again, I am not knocking the prev. Rank system, I quite liked it, saw no harm in it, and it was definitely a good idea to get Mayhem off the ground. Things move on however, and the popularity of this excellent facility made the old Rank system superfluous.

Regards, Bernard
Title: Re: Gimee back me stars!
Post by: dougal99 on March 15, 2008, 10:58:55 am
Hi All

Just my 2p

I don't mind either way. Stars, anchors, mines! or maybe nothing.

It's quality not quantity that counts.

Just because a person is new to the forum doesn't necessarily mean they are new to model boats.

If a question is asked any response should be as clear as possible, regardless of the experience/skills of the questioner. We all have blind spots and most will probably need a little help from time to time.

Best wishes to all

Doug
Title: Re: Gimee back me stars!
Post by: polaris on March 15, 2008, 06:47:03 pm

Dear Doug,

I agree with you.

I have just noticed there is indeed a system for Shipmate 0 - 10 posts, and I actually think this is a good idea as it gives a chance for the Forum to ascertain whether the person is 'genuine' or not - 99.99 will be of course, but it just takes .01 to upset things! - albeit temporarily. Still don't see the point of the stars now though.

Re what you said towards the end of your last para., Mayhem has indeed been a very great help to me and the freely offered advice has been extremely useful and much appreciated - I have also done my best to put back in when opportunity has arisen of course... two way street after all.

Regards, Bernard
Title: Re: Gimee back me stars!
Post by: andygh on March 15, 2008, 08:30:16 pm
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It's quality not quantity that counts.


Spot on  O0
Title: Re: Gimee back me stars!
Post by: catengineman on March 16, 2008, 03:55:28 pm
I have not logged on for some time (change in work) so now I log on and there amongst the mayhem of mayhem posts was this one!
I liked to see the stars and that is where my interest ended! as said by previous posters that the amount of stars shown did not always signify the knowledge of the beholder (just like me I think I was an Admrial but truly I'm a novice when it come to models) I have my pref's as to who's advice I would follow and who's I would hold to check back on before use (thats my choice)
Looking around the forum I have no complaints and I can only say to the people who made this forum what it is



THANK YOU

Stars or no stars  every one here is a STAR to me.

R,