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J Class Endeavour
« on: April 25, 2008, 04:47:59 PM »


Hello,
I am building a 6 foot hulled model of the J Class yacht Endeavour.
Using the book by Ian Dear  "Enterprise to Endeavour"  as my guide.
It has stopped guiding me when dealing with the deck details !.

What wood are the deck planks made from, how wide are the planks and what length are they ??.
Photos in the book show the planks to be about 3 inches wide - - - judging by peoples feet standing on them, but no lengths showing anywhere.
All of the planks on the deck are curved to the outside of the Hull, which explains the narrow width of plank used.
The wood is possibly Teak, which does not stain when used next to metals etc, its very expensive too, but all the J Class owners were millionares - -so it wouldn't matter!.

I have spent hours searching the Web, all to no avail, any offers on definite details of the Deck ???.

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Re: J Class Endeavour
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2008, 05:49:53 PM »

Hi John

Have you tried contacting the J class association. Their website is

http://www.jclassyachts.com/index.html

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Re: J Class Endeavour
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2008, 06:08:23 PM »


Hello Richie,
Great minds etc !!! - - - sent them an email this afternoon, will have to wait and see !!!.

Cheers,
John.
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Re: J Class Endeavour
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2008, 10:33:52 PM »

Hello Richie,
I got two replies to my Email, both from the Secretary of the J Class Association, Mr David Pitman.

My Email was as follows ;

Hello,
I am building a 6 foot long hulled model of Endeavour 11, which will be radio
controlled.
Can you give me some details of the Deck.

What wood was the Deck made of.

What was the width of the deck planks.

How long were the planks.

The finished model will be for my own use only, for pleasure sailing.

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The reply was ;

PS - there are  lots of pictures on our website that should help you.

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So I sent another Email ;
 Hello David,
> I think the pictures on your Website are terrific, BUT, I need 
> sizes to build my models Deck.
> Do you know of any source of these details ?, hardly the thing to 
> do while building a Scale Model, is to be guessing the size of something so 
> obviously in view as the Deck!!.
> Please can you help.
> Very Best Regards,
> John Dowd.
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The reply was as follows     ;
Sorry, no I just do not get involved in this - just too busy managing 
the full size ones
Sorry again,

David Pitman
Secretary, J Class Association
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So much for asking the EXPERTS.

John.  >:(  >:(  >:(
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Re: J Class Endeavour
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2008, 10:53:46 PM »

Not much help was he. Try this website

http://www.yacht-designer.co.uk/page29.html
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Re: J Class Endeavour
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2008, 04:13:35 AM »

Sorry to say this, but some yachties (not all) can be extremely snotty.

Particularly those with a title. I don't mean titles such as 'Lord', but lesser mortals like Comodor, Secretary, etc.
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Re: J Class Endeavour
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2008, 05:58:53 PM »

Hello,

Inspite of all the problems with the Deck layout, I have sailed the boat.
Went very well, had to remove the outer Jib, it needs more work to make it move from tack to tack.
The boat sails very fast and turns well too, lots more work to be done yet, painting, the Deck, fittings, etc etc !!.

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Re: J Class Endeavour
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2008, 02:09:12 AM »

Hi John

Looking very good.

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Re: J Class Endeavour
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2008, 08:50:41 PM »

John, your boat looks absolutely great!  Sorry to say, that I too have not learned anything new since our last conversation.  If I do, I'll post.

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Re: J Class Endeavour
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2008, 10:32:04 PM »

Hello,
There are more pictures of the Endeavour on my Website.

www.john-dowd.co.uk

Building is continuing, the boat sails  and turns very well.
Next is the Deck planking, then painting the Hull, so lots more to do !!.

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Re: J Class Endeavour
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2008, 11:25:53 PM »

Hello

Been to the Southport Clubs hosting of the Lifeboat Rally this weekend.
Sailed the Endeavour and my Schooner, Bluenose on their very nice Lake.

What an Event !!, very well organised, Clubs and traders, really good P A, clean toilets, good food, good Company,
what else could one need??.

Even the weather was kind, mornings were a little cool, but no rain and it soon cleared up into a lovely sunny weekend.
Met up with lots of old friends and made a good few new ones too, was smiling all the way home in the car!.

Roll on next year !!!!!.

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Re: J Class Endeavour
« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2008, 09:01:30 PM »

Hello,
Some photos of my J Class Endeavour, taken at the National Lifeboat rally at Southport.
Photos by Jon Godsell.
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Re: J Class Endeavour
« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2008, 12:37:09 PM »

John, great looking boat, hope I can do half as well with my 4foot version. Did you find anything anywhere that gave really good pictures of deck layouts and cabin/cockpit sizes and positions on any of the J's? I would like to make mine at least semi scale looking, preferably of Ranger but any of them would help. I have tried the results of Mr Googles search and although there were some general photos there were not any I could scale dimensions off. Have you seen the Christchurch (New Zealand) club pages at www.canterbury-j-class.org.nz ? Regards, Ian.
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Re: J Class Endeavour
« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2008, 12:55:43 PM »

Hello Ian,
Yes the Canterbury Js are very good, but not as scale as I would like.
There does seem to be a shortage of info on the Js in general, I have a deck layout,
but looking at pictures on the web, I don't think it is correct.
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« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2008, 12:07:10 PM »

John, most of the Canterbury J's in the Christchurch club are built as straight out race boats without worrying about the scale look but I live hundreds of miles away and so am just using their hull to build something for the fun sail days we have locally. 48" is a good size for transporting for me. I would like it to look something like scale but not neccessarily 100% accurate, perhaps a combination of cabins etc from more than one J. I have some old articles and have noticed that the pictures on the J website of Ranger as she is now do not have the same cabin as the old days so obviously there have been changes over the years. Any books, magazine articles or plans you can point me towards would be appreciated. Thanks, Ian.
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« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2008, 02:28:18 PM »

Hello Ian,

The only book I have regarding the J Class is by Ian Dear, "Enterprise to Endeavour, The J Class Yachts", ISBN 0 946052 2.
It is an absolute Bible of the J Class, very expensive, but worth every penny.

The best website about Js is a French one, loads of very good photos, of an enormous model boat, 1/10th Scale, the Hull is 13 feet long !!.
He must have a truck to transport it to the Lake.

http://cmnc.hippocampe.free.fr/page.php?lang=FR&id_page=endeavour

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« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2008, 10:20:41 AM »

As much as I love all things nautical, boats with engines are great - a boat like that heeling under sail, now that IS a thing of beauty.






could you poosibly get some video of it sailing?
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« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2008, 10:48:13 AM »

Thanks for that John. I will see if our library can find the book for me. I get very good service from them. If any library in the country has it they will procure it for me for three weeks and I only pay 45 to cover postage both ways. I will have a surf around your wesite and the French one and I am sure I will come up with enough ideas to put together something I am happy with. Again thanks for your help. Regards, Ian.
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« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2008, 05:24:33 PM »

Hi Guys,

I have just been down the local pond for the first time and introduced myself. Its a large lake in wonderful setting but full of weed at this time of year.

Most of the guys were having trouble but one chap sailing a not to scale J class was zipping along due I believe to the shape of the keel.

So I must have one could anyone tell me were I could get a hull please.


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« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2008, 08:39:31 AM »


Hello Colin,

As far as I am aware there is no one producing J Class hulls in Europe.
In the USA there some being made, one of which is Larry Ludwig, who can be contacted on     larry@ludwigrcyachts.com
The USA hulls are all 1/16th Scale, which gives a hull of 8 1/2 feet long !!, also they are VERY expensive.
My Endeavour is built onto an existing 10 Rater hull, and is a mere 6 foot long - - - BIG boats.

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« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2008, 09:21:59 AM »

John- just a thought...... as the J-classes are all pretty similar, did you have contacted Southampton Yacht Services and Gerard Dijkstra in Netherlands? As they had restoring the Velsheda I am sure they know a bit more about the planking.
If this doesn`t work, try to find via Google or something similar the website of Elisabeth Mayer. She was owning the Endeavor for a long time and the refurbishment was made on her own dockyard.

Just my penny.

All the best, Jörg

P.S.: Bloody hell, the boat looks brilliant- keep on the good job!
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« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2008, 12:46:40 PM »

How about a French 1/10th scale !!!!!!
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« Reply #22 on: August 22, 2008, 01:49:13 PM »


a3nige,

Yes, i have known about that boat for a long time, the hull is over 13 FEET long !!.
A fabulous boat, BUT, how does he move it about ?, a 1/10 scale mast is almost 17 feet long.
Even if the mast is in two parts, it and the Hull would need a rather large trailer to get to the lake.
Another photo on his website shows two guys putting VERY large lumps of Lead into the boat, before it starts sailing!!.

Just imagine sailing that boat, then realising that all your mates had gone home!!!.
Not much use calling the French equivalent of the RAC for help, or dashing round looking for a Fork lift truck!.
I would love to know how he moves it around.

The website is at   http://cmnc.hippocampe.free.fr    it is well worth a visit.

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« Reply #23 on: August 22, 2008, 03:15:02 PM »

Magnificent !  The site has some nice steam engines and boats too. Construction of the sailing boats is well covered, some excellent workmanship.
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« Reply #24 on: August 22, 2008, 04:07:21 PM »

A great site now added to my favourites.
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