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Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
« Reply #25 on: April 22, 2007, 02:22:02 am »

I always enjoy your posts.

Enough pictures, with enough detail to be really informative.

Big thanks
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Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
« Reply #26 on: April 22, 2007, 03:42:20 pm »

I really enjoy reading of your progress. The pictures are very helpful. Thanks for sharing them all.

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Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
« Reply #27 on: April 22, 2007, 06:28:54 pm »

Looks fantastic Ian!  :)

I am really enjoying following this build.

Clive :)
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Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
« Reply #28 on: April 22, 2007, 06:35:12 pm »

Thanks for the comments fellas.

Ian
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Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
« Reply #29 on: April 25, 2007, 07:16:45 pm »

Looking really good. Had me worried initially, thought you had diversified into the umbrella stand business. ???
But it all came clear in the end.
Great build.

Richard ;)
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Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
« Reply #30 on: April 26, 2007, 03:53:32 pm »

Hi all,

Your thoughts please, I am on with the superstructure at the moment, from the pics you can see I have dry fitted dividing beams to get the panel effect. I have been told from a reliable source that the superstructure would have been wooden.

Thing is, I have no plans for this, and v little information, those of you who may know more than me, (all of you!) do you think this is someting like it may have been?
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Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
« Reply #31 on: April 26, 2007, 08:31:46 pm »

I've dug thru the site I go on so here goes.


Motor drifter but the wheelhouse is the same style

again a motor drifter originally before being modified for trawling but in colour

same boat as above as a drifter


^^painting by Jim Pottinger which is spot on for colours/etc

Hope that helps

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Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
« Reply #32 on: April 26, 2007, 08:38:28 pm »

Thats great Davie, thanks. Any suggestions as to how to acheive that golden colour?

Ian
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Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
« Reply #33 on: April 26, 2007, 08:58:38 pm »

They still paint the steel wheelhouses to look like that Ian its a medium Yellow base coat and a medium brown grain effect







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Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
« Reply #34 on: April 26, 2007, 09:34:55 pm »

Thats a great help Davie, much appreciated.

I have done a little research on the Jeannie McIntosh and it turns out she was involved in the evacuation of Dunkirk.

All the information available to date can be seen at :

http://glennmci.brinkster.net/mcibb/jmc.html


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Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
« Reply #35 on: April 26, 2007, 10:14:50 pm »

According to my books her war registration was FY1635 , 88gt , built 1915 , requisitioned 1940 as a Minesweeper/Auxiluary Patrol and returned in February 1946 ( probably when she was sold for scrap ).

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Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
« Reply #36 on: April 28, 2007, 08:08:53 pm »



Didn't know if you had a full size scan of this photo or not.
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Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
« Reply #37 on: April 28, 2007, 10:03:32 pm »

Hi Davie,

Yes I have a copy of that pic, I got it from the Buckie heritage museum last year.

Thanks anyway

Ian
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Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
« Reply #38 on: May 02, 2007, 06:10:58 pm »

A question for Davie,

I am starting to think about the mast on the wheelhouse roof, but I have no idea what lighting should be on it, how big it is etc etc etc. The photo doesnt give anything away. I cant see if where the nav lights would be either.

I guess she would have had a running light slung from the forward mast?

Do you have any suggestions please?

Ian
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Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
« Reply #39 on: May 02, 2007, 08:22:26 pm »

Some had fixed lamps some had detachable ones and some didn't have a light on the forward mast at all from what I can see !!

If fitted it would be similar to these lamps but with a clear lens as it was a white light only on the forward mast


some also had lamps for lighting up the deck fitted but again not all and they would have been similar to these


this motor drifter shows a small all round white lamp on the mast


The port and starboard navigation lamps would be on the aft side of the accomodation area , this photo is of the Philorth FR211 , built in 1907 for my Great Great Grandfather and is a pretty standard steam drifter. She has the all round white lamp on the foremast and her port and starboard nav lights are aft above the last man on the rights head and are large , probably 24" diameter. There would be a white running light on the bottom of the aft mast ( a 180' lamp ) and you can see the style and size of the deck lights on the wheelhouse



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Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
« Reply #40 on: May 02, 2007, 08:51:14 pm »

Davie,

Thats fantastic, thanks for your help.

Ian
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Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
« Reply #41 on: May 03, 2007, 12:22:14 am »

Not a problem Ian just glad to be of help. Your putting a lot of work into the build to make it as accurate as possible and I like that a lot. I have seen far to many model fishing boats at shows/etc that the builders states are "as accurate as can be" but to the experienced fisherman just scream of errors lol. There have been a lot of photo's of older drifters ( both steam and motor ) uploaded recently to the trawlerphotos site in the vintage section showing deck equipment , etc.

If you need any help with how the deck is laid out just ask and i'll see what I can do.

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Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
« Reply #42 on: May 03, 2007, 04:30:12 pm »

Took a couple of better photo's showing the wood grain effect




Hope that clears up the colours and shapes

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Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
« Reply #43 on: May 10, 2007, 09:34:16 pm »

I'll have a good look thru my photo's and online for a typical wooden steam drifter deck layout as they were all pretty much the same ( apart from small details that any skipper would change ). I'll see if I can upload photo's of the stowed drift net ( you'll only need to similate the top bit of it and the floats ) , etc for you over the weekend.

Looking good  ;D

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Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
« Reply #44 on: May 25, 2007, 12:21:33 am »

Davie,

A question about the steering gear chain pipes (dunno the proper name).

Would they have run parallel to the deck up to the wheelhouse before going vertical then horizontal through the side of the wheelhouse? Or, would they have angled upwards as they approach the wheelhose? I have seen both on different pics.

Also, would there have been any crew accomodation/storage below deck in the bows, and if so, was the access through the deck via a sheltered companionway of some sort?

Thanks in advance

Ian
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Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
« Reply #45 on: May 26, 2007, 08:49:56 am »

Ian

It seems wooden and steel steam drifters were different. Some time ago, Paul McD posted the following:


"Hello to All.....! I found these some time ago and thought they might be of interest.....

Admiralty Steam Drifter (Wood)
              http://www.gwpda.org/naval/atrawler/86wd.htm
 Admiralty Steam Drifter (Steel)
                http://www.gwpda.org/naval/atrawler/ssd.htm

There are further details here: http://www.gwpda.org/naval/atrawler/cont.htm

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Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
« Reply #46 on: May 29, 2007, 12:12:35 pm »

I'm just back from a long weekend away to Fife. I bought a 1/24th scale steam capstan for my own drifter hull from Scoonie hobbies , they get theirs in 2 scales 1/24th and 1/32nd and they are cast in resin so are very lght and very detailed. I'll try and get a photo uploaded tonight of the model for you. I also took a photo of the original steam capstan on the Fifie sailing drifter Reaper FR958 ( museum ship at Anstruther Fisheries Museum ) for comparison.

I'll be a couple of days before I can answer your questions on the run line of the steering chains and the deck layout but I will get back to you on these.

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Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
« Reply #47 on: May 29, 2007, 03:49:45 pm »

From my weekend in Fife

The sailing Fifie drifter Reaper FR958



and the all important steam capstan


and the cast Resin 1/24th scale Steam Capstan from Scoonie Hobbies in Kirkaldy





hope this helps

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Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
« Reply #48 on: May 29, 2007, 08:00:53 pm »

Just spoke to my father about the run of the steering chains and the NE of Scotland boats were all basically similar. The Yoke on the rudder was at deck level right in the stern covered in by a box. The chains ran inside pipes on the deck beside the accomodation right up to the front of the wheelhouse. They went into the wheelhouse base and went vertical via a pully for a few feet before running in towards the steering support under the wheelhouse floors again via a pully wheel , then vertically up to the wheel inside the wheel support column.

You can simulate this with pipes running along the deck in parallel with the casing and have your real steering below deck hidden from sight.

First 3-4 boats my father went to sea on were either converted Zulu's or early pattern motor drifters working the seine net. I was 4 months aboard the Silver Wave BF372 which was built in 1952 as a drifter complete with chain steering ( still rigged for herring in the hold , still had the chain steering and the belt driven winch and had had a steel wheelhouse fitted in 1970 when I was aboard her in 1989 !!! )
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Re: Q & A - 1915 steam drifter build
« Reply #49 on: May 29, 2007, 08:40:26 pm »

I'm still hunting around for good photo's of the deck layout on the steam drifters Ian i'll put them up as soon as I can as i'll need them for my own build further down the line.
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