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GaryM

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Stanchions and Brass Rail
« on: June 24, 2008, 08:50:57 pm »

Hi
It's my first build and I will have to fit the stanchions (?) along with the brass rail shortly.  (Marie Felling. 1/32 scale)
Is there a tried and tested way of fitting the stanchions and rail?

I read in a post that I should replace the white metal stanchions with brass ones as the white metal melts when soldering, someone mentioned "Chronos" to get replacements, I've looked in the traders section but couldn't find them.

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Gary :)
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Re: Stanchions and Brass Rail
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2008, 08:56:18 pm »


Try for stanchions

http://www.redbankmodels.com/

and

"Chronos" for solder

Hs 93
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Re: Stanchions and Brass Rail
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2008, 09:16:20 pm »

As Hs93 says Redbank are good for the stanchions. http://quantrum.co.uk/redbankmodels/bscale-ship-fittings-stanchions-c-61_68_145.html

Every one has their own way of fixing stanchions and rails so be prepared to make a decision. I drill the position of the stanchions, a nice tight fit, insert the stanchions.Then I thread the rails though the holes. Next I solder the rails to the stanchions using a crocodile clip as a heat sink on the stanchion above the deck.The complete assembly can then be removed and painted and then glued in position.

On some curves and bends you might have to assemble on a timber template and fix on completion.

Works for me. O0
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Re: Stanchions and Brass Rail
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2008, 11:44:10 pm »

Hi Gary . Chronos is the place to get the 70` solder to for the stanchions ;)
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Re: Stanchions and Brass Rail
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2008, 11:53:43 pm »

The potential problem with the kit fittings is that white metal isn't a very suitable material for stanchions. Kit manufacturers use it because it is cheap and easy. However, because they are soft they bend easily, and when you try to bend them back they break. They also look a bit too "heavy" in most cases. They are OK if in protected locations, i.e. inboard, but if they are vulnerable to getting knocked then many people prefer to replace them with brass ones which are stronger and look better.
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Ron1

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Re: Stanchions and Brass Rail
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2008, 09:24:16 am »

Some times I do the handrails off the model, these are Billings stantions, and .020 brass wire rails on my HMS IRON DUKE.
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Re: Stanchions and Brass Rail
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2008, 10:27:27 am »

Chronos link: http://www.chronos.ltd.uk/acatalog/Chronos_Catalogue_Soldering___Brazing_266.html

Blimey Dicky. Wish you hadn't put that site up. Can do severe damage to my credit card.

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Re: Stanchions and Brass Rail
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2008, 10:29:45 am »

Ron1

That's a REAL nice job - will you do mine ::) ::) ::)

Martin
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Re: Stanchions and Brass Rail
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2008, 01:35:57 pm »

Send them over Martin,  O0 {-)

Here,s some painted and some fitted.
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Re: Stanchions and Brass Rail
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2008, 03:47:20 pm »

my personal choice is NOT to solder the rails to the stanchios but just use little blobs of runny cyano as they never go anywhere once glued.This way you don't have to go to the expense of replacing the white metal with brass ones.neil.
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Re: Stanchions and Brass Rail
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2008, 03:54:01 pm »

The reason I change mine from white metal to brass is that if they get bent, the white metal ones tend to break if you try to straighten them and they do bend rather easily.


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Re: Stanchions and Brass Rail
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2008, 06:35:55 pm »

you're not wrong there Richard >:(
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GaryM

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Re: Stanchions and Brass Rail
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2008, 10:26:10 pm »

Thanks Guys,
Hs 93, Richard, Brian, Colin, Ron 1, NHP 651.

I will replace the stanchions - the white metal is soft as you say and I need practice soldering!

regards
Gary :)
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Martin13

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Re: Stanchions and Brass Rail
« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2008, 11:40:58 am »

Ron1,

That's a great build mate - any more pic's ??? Pleeese O0

Martin doon under
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Re: Stanchions and Brass Rail
« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2008, 12:06:48 pm »

Just a tip on soldering ( well what I do) if you put them together the way Ron 1 does , or your rails are on someting that will take a little extra heat , what I do is after soldering with an Iron I brush the joints I have soldered with some Bakers fluid flux and apply a gentle heat to the joints with a small torch, just a flash over , this allows the solder to run in to the joint and usually makes the solder less visable.I use a cheap torch the type used by cooks
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Ron1

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Re: Stanchions and Brass Rail
« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2008, 03:57:52 pm »

martin 13, my thead name changed a while ago, I have brought my IRON DUKE thread forward so you can see a lot more photo,s, hope you enjoy them, ron h, ron1. O0
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GaryM

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Re: Stanchions and Brass Rail
« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2008, 06:08:04 pm »

Hs 93 thanks, I have a torch and will try it, I'm going to order a few extra stanchions as my soldering skill is a little horrendous to put it mildly!

regards
Gary :)
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Re: Stanchions and Brass Rail
« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2008, 07:17:14 pm »

Hs 93 thanks, I have a torch and will try it, I'm going to order a few extra stanchions as my soldering skill is a little horrendous to put it mildly!

regards
Gary :)
Just remember if you do them on the boat, no torch. But you new that of course. ;)
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GaryM

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Re: Stanchions and Brass Rail
« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2008, 07:42:28 pm »

Of course! :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed:
(It never occurred to me and I probably would have done it on the boat.)

thanks Richard.
you can buy a boat with Visa, but experience is priceless!

regards
Gary :) :embarrassed:
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Re: Stanchions and Brass Rail
« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2008, 12:00:29 am »

My favourite source for brass fittings and a wide range of other stuff is in Poland: http://arch.navalis.pl/
You get top quality at a reasonable price and orders are handled promptly - I received a shipment in Canada within a week of placing my order.

What really attracts me is the way all measurements are given in great detail for many products - there is little guess work, and if you have a question, vendor will respond to your mail immediately. Payment also is simple and works flawlessly, but don't ask me about security (I'm not hinting at anything, I just don't know, but i didn't have a problem).
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