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GaryM

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Boat or Ship
« on: June 26, 2008, 11:12:35 pm »

Hi
I must have too much time on my hands.  As a Land Lubber, I was wondering; when does a boat become a ship?
I know that there's a Lifeboat, Rowing Boat and a Submarine is called a boat. 
Are vessels in 'real' life classed as ships and all models are refereed to as boats?

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Gary :)
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Re: Boat or Ship
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2008, 06:19:13 am »

As I see it, large vessels that operate in salt water are called ships. As a comparision a tanker is reffered as a ship except the ones that run the Great Lakes and they are called lakers. Towboats on the rivers are just called motor vessels and the same goes for some lakers.
I know a ship is classified a ship according to tonnage, but I don't know at what tonnage it changes from being a yacht, trawler, etc. Maybe they're called ships because they move bulk commodities like a cruise ship carries tourists and a container ship carries truck containers.
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Re: Boat or Ship
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2008, 08:45:04 am »

Can of worms here, the National Maritime Muesum Greenwich defines a ship as capable of sustaining life for more than 7 days (which would make Captain Bligh's rowing boat a ship) other definitions include a ship having its propellers above keel line, where as a boat has the shaft and props hanging bellow (but then you have river gun boats with props in tunnels)
A ship heels outwards when turning at speed, and a boat heels inwards.......
So in answwer to your question--------no idea, but I'm sure someone out there knows
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Re: Boat or Ship
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2008, 09:16:45 am »

A ship is defined thus: " A three masted vessel, fully square rigged on all masts" Anything else is NOT a ship!!! Fact!!!!

Well at least it was in the old days before these mastless beasts came on the scene :-\
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Re: Boat or Ship
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2008, 09:55:04 am »

And how about the difference between a Bateau, a Pacquebot and a Navire?  :)
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Re: Boat or Ship
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2008, 09:59:51 am »

The one I heard was you can carry a boat on a ship but not a ship on a boat...... not sure if that helps!  ::)
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Re: Boat or Ship
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2008, 10:10:38 am »

Not really old chap  :-\
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Re: Boat or Ship
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2008, 11:16:28 am »

Beat me to it Dicky ;)

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Re: Boat or Ship
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2008, 11:25:21 am »

The RN can do it too....

Isn't it amazing the way they managed to squeeze it through the hole in the back.... ::)

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Re: Boat or Ship
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2008, 11:26:56 am »

Isn't that a ship on a SHIP?!
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Re: Boat or Ship
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2008, 11:30:05 am »

Isn't that a ship on SHIP?!

NO.....IT'S NOT GOT THREE SQUARE RIGGED MASTS :D :D
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Re: Boat or Ship
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2008, 11:48:43 am »

Isn't that a ship on a SHIP?!
But you said boats go on ships.  :-\
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Re: Boat or Ship
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2008, 12:23:10 pm »

Slightly off track. One that got it wrong  ::)


Mighty Servant 3 submerged to offload an oil rig in Angola

Whoops!

Is it supposed to go that far down???

Up Periscope?!
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Re: Boat or Ship
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2008, 12:36:09 pm »

Welll that solved the problem, thats neither a ship or a boat, its a submarine !!!!!!
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Re: Boat or Ship
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2008, 01:02:08 pm »

I went looking for this recently becuase I didn't know whether a PCF was a ship or a boat.

Wikipedia and other sources suggest that a "ship" can have a number of definitions:

setting aside the "boat fits in a ship" definition, there was a couple of references to a ship having an LOA of greater than 50 ft and/or a width of greater than 25ft

Seemingly Lloyds referred to a "ship" when it's displacement was greater than 500 tons ( imperial ). Not sure if this is still the case.

However, I couldn't find a definate source - it seems the same as "Hill" and "mountain". Webers defines a Mountain as "Larger than a hill" and a hill as "smaller than a mountain".

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Re: Boat or Ship
« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2008, 02:21:23 pm »

Isn't that a ship on a SHIP?!
But you said boats go on ships.  :-\


Dicky, You can put a boat on a ship but you cannot put a ship on a boat.  A picture of a ship on a ship doesn't change that.

Unless of course you have a picture of a ship on a boat!!
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Re: Boat or Ship
« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2008, 02:51:03 pm »

Ok Dicky.....I absolutely have to know! What is the story behind that Dockwise vessel sinking?
Inquiring minds want to know. Well, at least one inquiring mind, anyway......
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Re: Boat or Ship
« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2008, 03:44:17 pm »

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GaryM

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Re: Boat or Ship
« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2008, 10:13:20 pm »

Thanks Guys, I think. :) :D

Gary
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Re: Boat or Ship
« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2008, 11:31:03 pm »

Here's a photo I took in Fort Lauderdale of boats (plural) on a ship. They are probably millionaires' toys being taken out to the Caribbean or somewhere similar.
Peter.
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Re: Boat or Ship
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2008, 04:32:19 am »

Thanks Martin!  By the way, have you ever considered a poll as to how many members were, or are currently, sea dogs?
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Re: Boat or Ship
« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2008, 09:30:36 pm »

Accordding to the International rules anything that floats is termed a vessel not a ship. A ship is a vessel that is fully square rigged on three or more masts, people tend to call large vessels as ships through ignorance, a boat often refers to small vessels often used as an auxiliary to a larger vessel or similar small boats, lifeboats are termed as such as they were originally designed similar to a ships lifeboat boat but were somewhat improved upon. So large vessel's are referred to Motor Vessels, Steam Vessels, Paddle Steamers and etc.
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Re: Boat or Ship
« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2008, 09:44:30 pm »

"Here's a photo I took in Fort Lauderdale of boats (plural) on a ship. They are probably millionaires' toys being taken out to the Caribbean or somewhere similar.
Peter."

I thinks there's one or two of mine on there Peter!  ;)
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Re: Boat or Ship
« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2008, 11:04:27 pm »

I thought as much, Martin. Oh to be rich and famous {-)
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